because you're retarded and made a thread instead of a reply

>>108761563
The thread died before I saw it so it's time for a new thread.

why does Pippa dislike Alana anyways?
shes hardly the only hard Pippa simp, yet shes given other simps more attention.
shes hardly the only chud fan, yet shes given other chud fans more attention.
nor the only overlap between those.

>>108761538
If your actually asking vs being facetious. She alienated a ton of her original Audience over time.

She went from a gun focused, more down to earth tuber to an idol to whatever the hell she is now.

Assuming your being facetious and trying to rage bait antis here are a few things to note.

Firstly she went from someone who interacted a ton with her audience/ voiced her own opinions. Now she is extremely stream safe, and completely unwilling to voice anything that might land her in trouble.

Secondly. She has an obvious hate for her current model. Especially since fishman seems adamant on his idols using one model at a time vs many. Something she was never good at, especially if you consider the fact that she CONSTANTLY loved new models and new changes. Vs the boring recolor and random accessories to cover her breasts.

Lastly she has increasingly become active on her alt twitter. Which screams "I can't say what I actually want to say because if I do I'll get in trouble"

Phase cucks for whatever reason have this weird obsession that they are like special. That chuubas leave their communities for them. But the reality is these women know that phase watchers will slurp up boring content and buy shit merch.

Anyone with half a brain remembers Pippa and sleepy critiquing the old merch, how bad the distribution was(something still true to this day) yet now will never speak out

Phase managed to suck any and all life out of so many talents and because of dumb watchers who fund it they will continue to do so.

Assuming your not being an ass and legitimately curious. There are some obvious spergs who got banned and blame phase. We know. But most of her old fans that no longer watch or at best lurk remember the good days.

The days where she streamed for 12+ hours because she was so interested in it. Even with dead air or chats she went for hours. The weeks where she streamed despite being tired, or not having perfect access to meds. The blunt discord announcement/ talks where she would tell chat she wasn't happy with how something went. Now we're lucky to get a tweet about it, lucky for any stream over 3 hours and lucky for any amount of consistent streams. Sure she streamed for a whole week last week but anyone watching could see she wasn't there. Practically asleep at the wheel. I knew it the moment she began doing more and more react/ just chatting streams. Something she used to be vehemently against because as she said it. Was what everyone else did for lazy content instead of trying.

And before you go accusing me of being a groomer or some other dumb shit. I was not one of those idiots that got banned and tried to make fake quotes or excuses. I was one of her most loyal fans who was there since she used that God awful vr chat model. But as time went on she changed and so have I. So now I lurk if I have time but no longer wish to converse or even be a part of her community that is now full of people who are so unwilling to say anything could be wrong.

>>108762122
she's an alana's anus anti

>>108762196
I actually was serious and genuinely wanted to know more about the situation. So thank you for this answer, I found it very detailed and informative.

>>108761538
Her content got way better after phasing in and her fans miss the endless slop she produced before

>>108762196
funny that the same thing happened with mari too

>>108762243
I apologize if anything came off as angry or derogative. One of my main issues with tact and phase general is that ANY mention that sleepy isn't as good/ anything isn't perfect is immediately met with some dumbass calling people Antis/groomers which as you can imagine is frustrating.

Especially since sleepy herself used to ask for legit feedback, critiqued herself hard and hard and pushed for content she was proud of. Content she was so happy to have made that she spend days working on models and other things just to say she did. All the ogs remember her literally learning how to rig a model so she could improve it. Now at most we get genetic vtube studio random things. I remember one time, she commed jizi for her favorite guns. The ash12 and svd. She talked about how much she worked to make the models look good and proper how SHE worked on it to make sure it was done to her liking. Now we're lucky to get anything not built into vtube studio.

I hope she gets better or at the very least is happy with her life. But to be blunt she is probably not my oshi anymore Because imo she's not the same person anymore.

That doesn't have to be a bad thing. I'm sure plenty of people love her now. But honestly I'm just sick of the people on these boards who can't accept that someone might not like how someone has changed and no longer wish to support them.

>>108762328
Explain how it's better. Please in detail explain just how it's better. It's so frustrating when people say something like this with ZERO examples evidence or proof

>>108762330
I definitely wish I could see what the fishes guidelines for streams are. Based on context clues I know a few things for sure.

Content must be safe, minimum chances for copy right strikes or something similar.

Must use official phase models with only small changes from vtuber studio. More than likely as a way to reduce model bloat/ "favoritism".

>>108761538
Isn't she friends with Yuko/Rye?

>>108762960
She was but hasn't been around them publicly for a long time. When. The yuko incident went down she had to put out a statement to not talk about it and. Sleepy has very much separated from her old "project" friends and group. Only really collabing with people who have a big enough following now. For a moment I thought she was going back to her roots with kana but I didn't realize just how much she grew too

>>108762986
Oh wow, I didn't know she's been separated from Yuko/Rye and her old project for that long. Wonder if something happened between them or just differing goals. Smart choice in the end though.

>>108763003
She hadnt been publicly around rye or whisky for years. Well before her phase in. Most of her old collab mates are also gone due to them having a penis.

She also very vocally had a complex about being compared to pippa too. The two big ones I remember were the phase people coming in asking for SLEEPKIN SLIPPA! To which for a while that shit was banned. It honestly might still be banned in chat.

The other was the bathing suit incident. Where her and poppa apparently went to a water park and the attendant made a comment about them wearing the same bathing suit but sleepy wasn't like covered enough or something. The art that came from this was very common and she eventually asked people to stop with it. Both in her discord and when she saw it on the special pippa discord back when she was on both publicly

>>108762986
NTA but I have a less important question. How come she's the only one without an alcohol themed name? Whiskey, Rye, and... Sleepy? I always wondered about that

>>108763050
Don't blame for stopping people from calling her pippa 2.0. Anyway, sorry your old oshi got super sanitized. Sounds like it a was a slow but obvious process to watch. Hope she gets her groove back and enjoys herself again.

>>108763070
Originally sleepy wasn't a project girl. She met jixi who gave her an updated model along with rye and whisky. Sleepy was moonshine. Whisky was whisky and I forget what rye was. Probably vodka.

Sleepy was sleepy before she joined his group so her name wasn't an alcohol

god i miss her

>>108763093
That shit was what made me hate phase fans. They never want something new. Just the same thing with a recolor. Which Honestly I'm seeing the irony of sleepy doing that now with her corpo model lol.

It is what it is. I hope she's happy and doing what she wants but idk I doubt it. It definitely feels very sanitized and "job" now compared to the original streamer vibes. I do hope fish is treating her well as when she worked hard she worked. And I was inspired a lot when she was indie because she seemed to love what she did and would stop at nothing to get it done. But they say that people change with time and age. As some of the schizos have pointed out. She's in her thirties. And I assume her stimulants mess with with stuff so she probably won't ever really be what she was.

>>108762196
>>108762342
I'm seeing a very similar change from Nitty compared to her PL too, it's very clear that how the interaction with the community goes is mandated, shit's depressing.
But at the same time it's what they chose coming into the company, if they thought it wasn't acceptable terms they wouldn't be part of Phase.

Whisky was always way better

>>108762330
But mari fucked 5 guys at offkai

why is common sense seemingly always missing from this fucking board

>>108765547
gossip board

>>108763003
what's Rye up to these days, anyway?

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>>108761538
Sleepy hates her hown boobs.

>>108768392
At least they are lore accurate

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>>108768392
Who made this cause it's too true lol

She hates her new fans

>>108768392
She definitely is not a fan of having them on display and at larger sizes. Considering how she used to talk about ethots and titty streamers id wager she doesn't like them Because it makes her feel like she has been reduced from entertainment to sex which is honestly reasonable.

I wonder how insulting it must be for your new boss to basically say "you aren't entertaining enough, so we're changing you from cool military outfits to whore fit" it definitely must have been an annoyance cause she really does everything she can to cover the tits up. Aggressive compliance and all that.

I'm all for them. I hope fishman pushes the envelope and makes her stop covering up so she can be the sex symbol of phase. And honestly she might considering her low subs and stuff compared to the other phasers.

>>108770531
i wouldn't hold out hope.
phase is weirdly tough on what model they make you come in with to a degree, but with later outfits cave pretty quickly.

Pippa got shippa she always wanted, Shiina got crab and banana, Lia literally got a revamp in her base design, then 60s and a gothic lolita (though sakana was probably less against those than some others).
Panko got mob boss and casual....
I could go on, but the point is, hitting goals doesn't force more control onto any talents, its always given them more leeway, which means any outfits Sleepy gets will be more to her style than not or even her base. its only a matter of how long it'll take her to earn one or save up for one.

>>108771061
Maybe. Although honestly I think she just doesn't care anymore. She probably could have already had another model if she wanted. Especially with her 10k rifle purchase from the sign on. I kinda agree with the dude saying she doesn't care/ is asleep at the wheel. Again I don't blame her for not streaming more. I assume that fish pays the same rate for a 3-4 hour stream vs a 8+ hour stream which makes sense. He probably has an ad deal that caps out after a certain time and the talents are told not to burn themselves out with long streams. Quantity over quality and all that.

>>108771197
always hard to tell.
i doubt phase is so great that she would keep doing it if she actually hated it over going back to indie or just quitting though. i suppose just coasting on indifference is different they actual dislike or hate though, sure.
that, and her being in a company with multiple friends is probably a benefit that helps outweigh many negatives, though unlike alot i personally do think theres alot of evidence being in phase is probably more a good than a bad for the talents.
overall, i cant say much. looking, she still streams pretty regularly and from what little i have watched, she seems to be happy enough. but i otherwise dont have a comparison to her before phase really, so maybe others are right.
all i can say is people do seem to get into their own head and jump on any change as a negative in terms of the talents own opinion. sometimes, for better or worse, a talents simply changes, as people do, but is still happy/content regardless, even if the viewers may not be.

also, never underestimate a gun addicts ability to dump money on a new pew pew even if theres other things they want too.

>>108771362
She hasn't actually been streaming regularly. Last week was the first 7 stream week in about 6 months. Right after she came back from a month and a half break.

Her times are also like the other guy said down from what she used to do before phasing in. Only 3-4 hours.

As for her personality she definitely has energy loss. And has said in multiple tweets it's her medicine but at the same time she used to have worse meds/no meds but general excitement was enough for her to have very energetic streams at 8+ hours a piece.

Honestly I'd say fish just pays enough. Sadly we will never know but since a lot of other fans are saying that the invaders have dropped energy as well. And spending habits have gone up for example sleepys gun, maris numerous trips. It makes sense that fish is just paying a ridiculous amount for very low effort.

Hopefully he can keep it up but my biggest worry is it being a vshojo thing where everything on the surface looks good till something huge is revealed.

Someone mentioned that sakana probably pays for minimum bots on stream and that's why talents only go for so long which honestly might be true. It would make sense to pay for a certain view size to trick investors that the value is rising.

I'm really just hoping the girls are having fun but idk seems like the job is just a job now and with pay that's too good to pass up. I mean who wouldn't? Why work 40+ hours for a shit job when you can stream for 12 in a week and make bank?

If the pay is good enough for 12 hours of work I don't think anyone would quit unless the business was really fucked

>>108768392
Doesn't amtter. Fishman made her infinitely better than she was before.

>>108771615
I can't tell if your making a joke about her having big tits so shes better or if your one of the phase fucks who think anything fish turns to turns to gold

>>108763186
If they want new things all the time they won't be (...) fans. They'd be tourists.

>>108771797
Former if you don't take things on the internet seriously, latter if you hate phase fans.
Take your pick

>>108771491
you've been too spoiled.
from the start of me getting into vtubing, 7 days and over 3 hours has always been above the regular for most vtubers.
aswell as the end of the year holidays cutting streaming down significantly.
it may not be 'streaming regularly' for HER, but the general industry standard is much much lower than that.
that said, it does look like shes still below average looking back (think it was like 2.5 stream average a week when its like 4 is the expected average i'd say), its not like shes not been streaming at all, in which ive seen plenty of chuubas who you're lucky to get like 3 streams a MONTH out of.

as for energy and meds... thats a difficult one. in that, if she switched up her meds at her doctors orders, yeah that could have a big effect even if it doesn't seem like it should. unless she herself clears the air its all speculation on that topic.

Mari absolutely changed after joining phase yeah, mainly as you said alot more trips/breaks.

overall, cant say much, only it certainly could be worse, but could be a bit better, but also like i said you've been spoiled quite a bit compared to what most expect. if anything, i'd say phase projects + the other girls probably convinced her going so hard above and beyond isnt worth it compared to the negatives. maybe even it made her conditions worse, who really knows though?

also hard to tell because i've been around with some of the same chuubas long enough to know many just have highs and lows. maybe shes just feeling low but will find another stretch of energy, or maybe she wont. but the hope at least, is certainly there.

>>108762196
this is hilariously schizo, thanks for writing it.
If funny to read antis who think they're right and everybody else is wrong.

This entire thread is just wannabe groomers mad that they don't get special treatment compared to the newer fans.

>>108773064
you dont watch sleepy, what you say is irrelevant

>>108773130
I do, and considering the route she's been going down with her content lately you might want to reconsider whose opinion is the relevant one.

>>108762196
Can you cosplay Larry

>>108763070
She's explained it many times on many different streams over the course of 5 years. She'll always be Sleepy, she loves the name, because it is who she is. When she became a Project girl she said she wanted to keep being Sleepy.

what a great bait thread this is, i'm taking notes

here come the fishman dick suckers

>>108761538
I miss the tarkov/cod days

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>>108761538
Talking about Sleepy. Today is tea time, with Clio Aite, and Mari Mari.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqxIfnlLmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqxIfnlLmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVqxIfnlLmc
https://www.twitch.tv/eepysleepy

honestly, sleepy should rape me

Pushing back on some of things I'm reading
I don't like the loss of fan interaction and the close knit vibes but when you join a company and 3-8x your average ccv it can't really be helped and I can't in good faith hold the position of "stay a 100~ ccv indie for my personal benefit"
I don't think she hates her current model, she's given several of her own models fat honkers of her own volition as an indie, though the fact that she hasn't really played around with different models like she used to since joining is a big difference, but I don't know if that's that just because she's busier now or if the fishfaggot really is restrictive on that stuff
Her alt twitter is literally just her yumeposting over Faraam from Dark Souls I don't even understand the argument here
She used to stream 12+ hours a day and literally fall asleep on stream and crash for like 20+ hours which is retarded and unhealthy
>react/ just chatting streams
>lazy content
As opposed to 12 hours of walking around in the woods in Tarkov?
I suppose it's subjective but her brand of chatting and react content is pretty great, I don't care for most VGM (to use a recent example) but she's such sperg about VGM herself it's still enjoyable to watch
I think there's a lot to it, she absolutely has changed regardless of the reasons, but I don't think it's because she's lazy or doesn't care
She gets in her own head so fucking much I just wanna smack her more than anything sometimes
She's a shitposter at heart and she started streaming 5~ years ago and has made the efforts to make into a sustainable, livable thing so she applied to Phase and was rejected a couple times and that's when she really started taking things seriously with the schedules, started streaming on Youtube, the more game variety, and sanitizing what she said a bit
I don't think you're wrong for not liking the changes, there're part I don't like like how she feels inclined to end streams before 9PM so she doesn't overlap other Phase talents holy shit I don't care about other Phase talents Sleepy I hate Phase I hate everyone who watches Phase stop raiding me into them please
And I miss more of the longer, late streams in general and when chat wasn't full of double digit IQ retards, and the way they glaze her when she's the type that benefits from being told when something sucks
I still very much enjoy her but the time between her getting serious about being a vtuber and joining Phase was honestly peak energy/content levels I will admit