cecilia isnt even 500k. gigi is barely half way to 600k, somehow raora is taking that bag, and i cant remember the last time i saw liz stream on a schedule. what the hell happened?
people just don't want to support a black company
>>108773186Hololive EN is dying, it's kinda pointless now
>flat is justice yeah they failed
>>108773186I think vtubing in general is just in decline. Gigi would have been a superstar back in the early days.
>>108773505Will there even be an EN5?
>>108773186Gen 2
>>108773561she wasnt that successful as her old character.
>>108773561Nah it’s just Hololive and corpos in general that have declined
>>108773186holostars
>>108773892Yeah, but if she'd been EN 1 with that energy, I wonder where she'd be now.
>>108773909Indies are dead faggot, you are screaming in your own bubble.
>>108774635Sure buddy
>>108773186>gigi is barely half way to 600kShe's 90% of the way there, actually.
>>108773561>I think vtubing in general is just in decline.The overall EN market has declined and while Hololive is doing much better than Nijisanji the vtuber market is a niche outside of Japan. There aren't that many fans who actually spend money on vtubers and that number is only getting lower because of the recession. The casual fan base is also starting to burn out after the recent graduation wave and even the EN anniversary lives are getting lower numbers.
>>108773186>best streamer in justice>least subs in ENHow did this happen?
>>108773892holobranding is instant subscribers, think about how many people follow before they even debut
Justice members are around 500k-600k after a year and a half, which is only slightly worse than Council, they were about 600k-700k after the same amount of time. Only Kronii had shot beyond 800k because tits.I checked this on SocialBlade which goes back just enough to still be able to see this. Don't know if there's a better way.
>>108774935>The overall EN market has declinedMore specifically, the entirety of streaming in general has "declined"Although calling it a "decline" is a bit misleading when what's actually happening is just a normalization of everyone's bloated 2020/21 covid metrics back to down early 2020/2019 levels
>>108773186liz is carrying their concerts. Idiot faggot
>>108773186go back to your containment thread you lowlife failure
>>108773892None of them were
>>108775889There is more going on than Covid lockdowns ending and the vtuber novelty factor has worn off. Most of the fantasy element of watching anime girls has vanished due to constant fights with their employer or huge scandals. Hololive is doing better than most corpos but the EN numbers have taken a nose dive in 2025 (the graduations have also demoralized most of the fan base).
>>108773186Yurobeggars didn't show up kek
>>108773186cc is the only good member
>>108773561nah
>>108773186Subs literally don't matter for years alrdy
>>108781118They matter for Holos because Cover will still reward them for hitting sub milestones.
>>108775202Yep, people forget that whole "Council didn't do as well as expected" meme. They underperformed so much that Fuwamoco was able to beat all of them in subs despite debuting 2 years later.
>>108773186its funny how fuuuuuuuucking irrelevent holo EN is like they could easily be at 50 members by now and just aren't rip bozos
>>108773186>is hololive justice the first failed hololive group?You know..... there once was a CN group....Yea that's their first failed group.
>Gay nigger Advent fags shit up the board regularilyWow, who could have guessed!
>>108779650>There is more going on than Covid lockdowns endingNot reallyIt's just objectively less easy to rack-up counting stats like subs because those people who around in 2020/2021 are at work or school now> Most of the fantasy element of watching anime girls has vanished due to constant fights with their employer or huge scandals. Hololive is doing better than most corpos but the EN numbers have taken a nose dive in 2025 (the graduations have also demoralized most of the fan base).You GROSSILY overestimate how much the average vtuber watcher actually gives a fuck about the FoTM melodrama that dramafags /here/ and on twitter blow out of proportion, unless it's a SelenGate-tier scandal then they simply do not care
>>108773186Council failed so hard they had to rebrand it into Promise
>>108773186I don't watch EN but I feel this way about new JP gens. Just can't bring myself to care about the newcomers and I always end up going back to watching 3rd gen and older.
>>108785439Same with me, I far prefer erolive than post-gen 3 seisolive
>>108774862Yeah I'm sure he's right
Advent is a massive failure considering how much they were shilled and how much hololive former fans had to wait.
>>108783910>>108785890obsessed
>>108773561She rode on Scarra's cock for literally everything, so good luck trying to get "gigi" on a stream without her fellating that fat chink every other hour
>>108773186Myth > Advent > Justice > Council > IRyS
if justice is a failure then how come they are the only holos I watch? check. mate.
>>108786073>Special needs cat>Discount gura>Discount kiara>ERBProbably because you have shit taste?
>>108785890Nah nijien are the worst, literally losing 1mil collective sub from selen termination, talked about black corpo moment in vtubing history.
>>108782280>1 outlier that massively pandered to jpHow's everyone else doing? That's right
>>108774935>while Hololive is doing much better than Nijisanjilmfao bruh
>>108786179seethe
>>108786179>Bringing nishitsanshit out of nowhereMindbroken
>absolute numberchimps shitting up the boardWhat a surprise for this to happen on a day ending with 'y'.
Idk if Justice is really the worst performing, but Advent is insufferable in a way I didn't foretell back in '23. Thought they were the new wave until they kept repeating their formula for success... for 2 and a half years. Extremely tired of them now, to be honest. Especially the twins. Biboo's alright. Maybe I'm just retarded, but I think Justice will last a little longer.
>>108773186>>108782280>anti Holo EN thread>OP is once again an Advent shrillDon't why they like to hid behind EN3.
>>108773186EN fans are simply not as dedicated as JP ones. The COVID buff was essential for hitting 1m.
>>108774935>>108779650Going by overall watch time at each major branch it seems like it's mostly just HoloEN that's reclining and the rest of the EN industry is doing fine. Going back to August every single month HoloEN has been down somewhere between 10-30% average viewers compared the same month last year not one single month of growth. NijiEN is between 100-120% up each month compared to the same months last year. And Phase is between 90-150% up on the same months as last year
