What could she have done to save her career?
Why does she always had the need to yap and yap like she is the main character? you are a streamer just stream
>>108804490She's got an inflated ego to go along with her inflated gut
Alright, what happened with NijiEN today?
>>108804490She tried to ride another dramafag meta but nobody bit the bait so now she just has to numberfag on Twitter
>Wanting her to play more shootersThe fuck is wrong with people
>shooters are finally dead and turn based is in style againWhat a time to be alive.
>>108804876Her fans are retards. No surprise there
>>108804727last bait thread died because noone cares, so shitters rebaked this shit. sage
>>108804876True she sucks at not apex games. Just awful unless she's intentionally throwing for content and that's annoying in a different way.
>>108804472>my managerPointing at the sign
>>108805134>True she sucks at not apex gamesThis implies she's good at Apex
rent free
>>108805352You’re a fucking retard if you think anyone is romantically parasocial for Doki
>>108805352Who want a girlfriend that commited suicide two times?
>>108805526>T. Fagoon who is parasocial for Doki
>>108805636I have literally never watched a stream of her.
>>108805526shitters are so tourists they have no idea what they shit about, just throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks to get some (you)s
>>108805584>Throws her parents under the bus twiceWhy wouldn't she do the same to you once she's done with you?The BPD cycle would be sad, if weren't for the men trying to get with the BPD birds didn't get annihilated in the funniest ways possible. See Destiny and JSTLK going for the same one.
>>108804472isn't this the dumb chuuba that thinks umamusume doesn't have gameplay
>>108804328>>108805564Omg, this really is a distraction thread from a NijiEN thread while she's streaming. How utterly pathetic. Is this Elira pulling another blackscreen-style overlap. I think we might have finally identified her /here/ pattern.
>>108805848some fag spams catalog with exniji baits this week and has to samefag to keep them alive because noone cares
>>108804472Honestly not play slot like God of War and Hollow Knight
>>108804472fat bitch just can't accept that she's an irrelevant borderline 3 view without her drama buff. She's just another chick trying to play shooters who sucks at shooters, no one cares
>>108804472>fall offLose weight
>Decides to start playing shooters again the same week women in FPS were set back 50 years by some bitches having the biggest woman moment of the decadeshe really can't catch a break
>>108806793What's the QRD for that Cece thing anyway?
>>108805352i think this was pointed at 2/3 views. not 4 view former corpos who run events
>>108805352Doki has like 10 managers though
>>108806880the shoe still fits. there are countless 4 views who have way more sponsors and viewers than her that dont need managers
>>108805352Preachings from Shon is hillarious. But good on her telling off her chat not to be parasocial with her. Her boyfriend must be happy.
>>108805526>>108805770>You’re a fucking retard if you think anyone is romantically parasocial for DokiNewfags have never seen /HAHA/
>>108806960its a cesspool of faggots who thirst for flat, ugly men
>>108806659You sound like a nintendie
>>108805848>OP from the other thread trying to deflect criticismI've noticed that when things aren't going well for dramatrannies they tend to lick their wounds while obsessing over nijisanji. It's like nijisanji is the Donald Trump of vtubing. Very curious.
>>108804472Who would have thought the niji drama subscribers don't stay and watch.
>>108804472>17 JanTo say nothing of the fact this is like second or third bait thread about it. What happened in Niji this time?
>>108807075its a slow news cycle, nothing wrong with replaying the classics
>>108807075they lost touch with reality. so in other words, a day ending with 'y'
>>108804472Is she still recovering from her retarded investment of pet dog shirts?
The bottle of pills whispers to Doki like the green goblin's mask in Sam Raimi's Spiderman.Do it again Doki, for old time's sake
>>108806891>Doki has like 10 managers thoughdamn, how loose is her vagina?
>>108807009>nijisanji is the Donald Trump of vtubingyou mean diddling kids part? or getting peed on by russian prostitutes?
>>108805526i want doki wife
>>108804472In a way I feel sorry for her, drama tourists are not good fanbase to try and farm.
>>108807578The trying to buy greenland for national security part.
>>108807241Who is she gonna blame it on next? It can't be her parents or Nijisanji again so maybe she'll try xQc or Shroud
>>108804472didn't read, but the answer to that question is to take her meds
>>108807385unusable, they switched to her ass last Marchshe's been wearing diapers ever since
>>108805352Doki has provenly hired multiple managers
>>108804876are dragoons really ball and gun normalfags?>bro nothing to play bro bro valo and arc raiders boring now
>>108808846That reminds me, Selen is a diaper furfag and a sonicfag with BPD. Kind of impressive she hasn't had more melties.
>>108804472>bipolar menhera pays the childporn producing nazi app to post more word salad in 1 post
>>108805526Someone post THE webm.
>recycling the same bait thread three days in a rowOP's fall off. What could he have done to save his career?
>>108810706Calm down you are having a melty episode.
>>108804472HIGHGUARD BAYBEE, its gonna save the shooter genre
>>108804472Have appealing factors besides performative victimhood.
I'm so glad I'm not on the number chasing treadmill and can just play what I want.I treat streaming like a Sonic title. As long as I have one viewer I'm invincible unless I fall down a pit
>>108805352Now you like Shondo again? Fuck off Rev.
>>108804472Retard should have just played arc raiders. If it's your fucking job, bite the bullet and make it some of your streams.
>>108811389But she's trash at the game. Think about that loss of ego.
>>108804490She's the person that Kiara antis claimed Kiara always was
>>108804727Anon, that doesn't work anymore, it's like asking >Ok who got raped in india this time?Nobody fucking cares about both shitholes
didnt we already have this thread
Doki is the type of gurl gamer I can't help but come to dislike. They have no inner preferences of their own and must always do things because of what other people are doing or suggesting. I like streamers who stream what they like to play, I like them even more if they occasionally go outside of their comfort zone to try and develop their taste further.
>>108804490Anon it's two paragraphsTake your meds if that's yapping and yapping for you
>>108808838My bets would be on xqc next time doki crashes out over marvel rivals
>>108811234>I'm so glad I'm not on the treadmillNeither is dookieturd KEK
>>108812231>>108811389If only she had friends who are pros at the game and can carry her ass like with apex
>>108811234do you have one viewer streamer anon
>>108804879There is also a big retro comeback.
>>108812249both can be annoying cunts anon
>>108812249>KFP just hanging out here to shit on DokiCurious.Watch your back out there KFP....
>>108812944Yeh. Most people don't make it past my 20 second intro but those who do have stuck around for a year+.I get that people want numbers and money from YouTube etc but I find I'm satisfied with what I have.
>>108804490>Actively and independently do a job that requires you to be the center of attention for thousands of people in real time>what do you mean she's egocentric!??!!!?!
>>108806659GoW is trash(The modern one) but Silksong is pretty kino
>>108805352Realistically if you are a mid 3 to mid 4view you could get away with having a couple of managers. Usually its one poor guy thats an orbiter but having one or two for general support/emails/planning etc is pretty reasonable especially if you get alot of sponsors
>>108810632Thats on Bluesky? I thought that was twitter
>>108813338Why isn't every vtuber as egocentric as her though?
>>108804490Streaming is TOO HARD for her.You really expect her to be like my indie oshi who has basically been streaming video games literally every day for at least 2 hours a session for over 5 years?
>>108805352>>108804472This has to be some of the lowest effort attempts at drama baiting
>>108806862You know how there are alot of streamers out there who are basically all about the "Vibes" and being "Chill" and "Comfy"Well its basically the typical mask of moment that happens for those sorts of people. Complete woman moment, the whole thing. The gaslighting, the lying, the attempt for pity farming, adhering to literally every single negative stereotype around women just because she wouldn't just own up to her mistake.
>>108812909Don't know how successful that would be considering how hard he ignored her last time she tried that
>>108814547She has a ton of hired help so she only has to stream. And streaming is still too hard for her! Truly, the hardest working person in vtubing
>>108813338Fagoons will type out a post explaining how doki is an egocentric, selfish megalomaniac and present it as some sort of win
meanwhile, people like Onolumi stream the basest games and just have fun and enjoy life
>>108815360*most based. wtf was I thinking
>>108804472https://files.catbox.moe/kith32.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/ge8v2f.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/hno6qy.jpg
>>108814997She just didn't try hard enough.
>>108815360>/retro/fag is a doki antiYeah, adding that to my list....
>>108805352If anyone wants to step on that landmine they can have it.
Sure is a lot of nijiseethe today. Something happen in rikuland?
>>108804472I know this is a bait thread because that's all you faggots on this board do, but I'll humor you as someone who was a member for most of her time as Selen and for a year of her time as Doki. Put simply: too much clout chasing and esports slop and her other content just wasn't interesting anymore.I was never interested in Apex even though that was her "main game" but when I bailed on her membership a year ago, it was because it felt like there was nothing but esports and collabs with obnoxious Twitch streamers for months.And when I tried to tune in later after she finally started doing else, like playing Halo, she felt like she had gotten just flat out boring since I left.
How are Nijitroons STILL seething? It's been two fucking years
>>108812952This. Old games were just better.
>>108815262They take pride in playing optics to cover up their oshi is a shit person
>>108804472has nobody ever told this bitch to shut the fuck up? every time i see something of her she's writing a novel.
>>108816128Uh oh dokiturd's manager #5 arrived in the thread to play damage control
>>108817565She doesn’t have six managers you retarded nijinigger.
>>108816406When you lose as hard as they did the butthurt is generational.
>>108817700>>108817565Newfag tourists don't know doki has 10 managers
>>108817565>anon doesn't understand different type of opinions
>>108816128So basically, she's numberfagging
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME
Definitely not more shooting games. A vtuber relies on interaction with her audience, with her chat. Sitting in a lobby and talking to your male teammate while not paying attention to chat is the complete opposite. Plus, she was already doing that (shooting games co-op), so this whole -new year, new me- is making no sense.I hope Doki smartens up.
>>108817565>Criticism is damage control The absolutely profound retardation of the Nijinigger
What if Doki is having a bad day and she reads this thread? You're putting her life in serious deathly risk, please smarten up and delete this thread
>>108817700>>108819027What did nijiterrorists do to Saint Dokibird the Infallible today?
>>108817872What did Dookie win though? Dramafags that never watch her streams? Her decline rivals NijiEN.
>>108819477900k subs and counting, and she's about to lap the entirety of NijiEN in total viewsAgain.It's hilarious how in the same time period, Selen was the #1 most viewed NijiEN, got the boot, and then climbed back up AGAIN on a new channel. Man, they really are nothing without her
>>108814008YES SIR WE TWITTER NO CP HERE ON GROK VERY TRUE INFORMABLE
>>108804472we really lost most dedicated fanbase to this? we got vedal 2 fucking hype train records in less that a week that is hundreds of thousands of dollars man, but the fagoons got the award? they cant even get their oshi past 3k viewers and got here depressed and shit. Filian rigged that whole fucking thing I tell you.
>>108820638This must be a falseflag.I refuse to believe swarmfags are still somehow butthurt about this.The award was for most dedicated fanbase, not the most neurotic
>>108804472She was never really a girl vtuber. She was a stoner Canadian vtuber that people identified as female. You gotta do girlie a bit more than just being identifiable. That's uh why she's a girl and a vtuber and you know about her at all. Has zero to do with personality. If she was a guy, you'd have nothing to do with her. So the less guy she is the more people will have to do with her.
>>108820719we still do the LEAST DEDICATED FANBASE spam, yes we are quite butthurt. And I dont really hate your streamer or your fanbase, but you just cant convince me that wasnt rigged. its a constant issue that vedal and neuro get purposely overlooked by the industry cause of the nature of what she is amongst other things, like Vedal not really playing ball with any clique.
>>108819945Calm down and go back to your roots doki
>>108820909I think it makes more sense when you look at it in specifically the context of that year. The votes were pretty much split between the swarm, who voted for swarm... and literally everyone else who heard about the selen drama that year. Pretty much every streamer I saw who streamed them voting put Doki's fanbase for that category. It wasn't a dragoons vs swarm thing since they were clearly outnumbered, but rather a swarm vs literally everybody who wasn't part of it. If it were to happen again? Yeah they'd absolutely lose since they haven't really done much to put themselves on the map since then. (Why would they? She's safe now.)>>108820817>stonerYou sure you have the right streamer? I don't think Doki does drugs, and she's known mostly for her involvement with esports these days, palling around with the pro teams, devs, and content creator tournaments.
>>108821056Maybe you should tweet about how it, Millie.
>>108821234I can't believe Millie raped dokibird in Epstein Island and was allowed to remain free after receiving a pardon from Trump
>>108819945>she's about to lap the entirety of NijiEN in total viewsI love it when fagoons reveal that they're blatantly delusional
>>108818469Pretty much. Especially now that she seems convinced that she needs to go back to shooters despite shooters falling off recently
>>108804472Why does an indie need a fucking manager?
>>108821561Covert boyfriend
>>108821511I love it when Nijitrannies default to projecting every time they lose
>>108821561Why does anyone need a manager?
>>108821598Shouldn't you be preparing for Doki's 100th dramagrift and third attempt?
>>108804472>>108804472>>108804472Nothing. The whole Niji shitshow happened 2 years ago. Punished former Big Corpo Youtuber just isn't that big of a deal anymore.
>>108804472>What could she have done to save her career?play arcshe said so herself
>>108821625>>108821561Merch contracts, filtering DMs and general advisory stuffs. A lot of indies have gotten fucked trying to do shit without a manager. They're mostly just an assman to do all the shit you don't want to do. Like hiring a GM in Football Manager.
>>108806901>you dont NEED a maid>therefore if you hire a maid you must be fucking her even if you have a mansionif you are high 3view/4view then a manager saves you time and negotiates better deals if they aren't shit
She's beaten nijiEN, elira-ike-vox, she's bigger than Saba and the de-facto leader of the indie avengers, she's even bigger ththan phase connect and most holosWhat else does she want?
>>108822508>biggest than SabaYou dokifags are the biggest niggers in the world
>>108822508This is 100% a false flag because "bigger than Saba and most holos" is objectively not true and no one outside of this dogshit board cares about ever talks le heckin indie avengersThough if the intent was make Nijitroons dilate, congratulations you succeeded >>108822889
>>108821641Shouldn't you be threatening your organs for daring to talk about McDonald's?
>>108823687Shouldn't Doki be eating her 100th daily meal from McDonald's?
>>108825716Kek you got me there
>>108822508>she's bigger than Saba and the de-facto leader of the indie avengerslol lmao
>>108804472Stop being a landwhale whore
>>108804472I like variety gaming though
>>108804472>indie>manager
>>108804472She needs a new nijidrama, she should probably pretend to commit suicide again
>>108821511The more you Sisters remind me of how fat Doki is the harder it makes me.>>108664638
>>108821838But she's bad and her ego can't take it
She should show dat jingle jangle more often.>>108812249Kiara is somehow far more tolerable. Doki is always laughing every time she talks which is annoying, I'm not watching the fucking Joker.
>>108826746women CAN NOT function without someone tardwrangling them, please understand
>>108831538Don't understand how anyone can bear to watch her for hours
>>108804472Gura said it's bad to chase numbers, which would change what you actually like streaming.But Doki's case isn't that. Learning that chasing fotm isn't doing so well. She wants to return to shooters, but not Arc Raiders.
>>108834748Doki's been doing the exact opposite of FOTM, which is why this probably happened. Just looking at her recent games... Hades 2 long after it was relevant, God of War (2022), Disneyland Adventures, Project Zomboid, Scooby Doo Night of 100 Frights, No Players Online, Shadow the Hedgehog, Petz 4, Batman, Duckov, Sleeping Dogs, Gears of War, Epic Mickey... If anything she needed more FOTM and number-chasing games.
>>108835057She played epic mickey?
>>108835081Yeah, and it got about as much numbers as you could expect. She's been crippling her numbers for the past year or so with her variety, while a random marvel rivals or fotm stream would generally dwarf them. There's like one fotm game every month at most going through this list
>>108835127I fucked the formatting twice. Just kill me now.
>>108805526kek, imagine being this new to streaming, never mind vtubingPeople will fall in love with anyone that gives them attention.
>>108820719As a die hard Swarm member, I will always hate fagoons and Doki for that rigged award. You're telling me breaking hype train records and donating unprecedented amounts of cash and massive viewership numbers is worth less than a retarded make a wish kid getting pity? Hell naw
>>108820817thats actually a good point. she has nothing going for her other than that drama and being a girl. if she was a dude she would have vanished off the face of the earth long ago. Yet she wont play into it, just tries to get more and more manly as her numbers drop
>>108822508HAHAHAHA bigger than Saba? nigger are you insane? And the nijiEN people still get more views than her sometimes, she's stagnated and dwindling
>>108831538unironically if she wants numbers she just needs to get some fat fucking tits and jiggle for the camera and shut up. the laugh is a massive debuff
>>108835127jesus christ even some of Elira's vods mog that shit
>>108835127>crippling her numbersThose ARE her numbers. Leeching of a popular new release or drama to get temporarily more viewers is not the norm and textbook inflating your real numbers you get with just you and nothing else.
>>108835781>b-but all these paid bots and moneywashing....our pedophile AI idol...
>>108804472Play less dogshit shootersHer manager is tanking her careerSuper hatters aren't was ching 7000 hours of grinding rank in live service slop
>>108820909>>108835781You'll get your reward when you expel a japanese black company from the western market entirely. Or maybe you won't even then, because you'll just be a copycat.
>>108835860It absolutely is. There's no such thing as "leeching" or "inflating" numbers. Either people click or they don't. In the end, people click on videos and FOTM will always get more than whatever childhood variety game the streamer actually enjoys. If you want numbers, you have 3 options. 1. FOTM2. Collabs3. Absolutely disgusting amounts of advertisement. A corpo usually handles this one for a streamer. Any time you stray from this, your numbers will decline, and the longer they decline, the more difficult it will be to bring them back up until you build up enough momentum again through more FOTM.
>>108812802>ewhore>having a personality>having taste
>>108804472She was always a sloptuber streaming garbage like apex. Her audience now expects her to play the next slop. It's her own fault for cultivating his audience.
>>108835057Yeah she is really bad at picking games, especially for someone who wants to be a variety streamer. So many huge and popular franchises that she has never touched and she still wants to play Scooby Doo. Overall I'd say the main problems are:>bad game choices>not enough collabs>no consistency>default model not appealing (not a big deal but it adds up)Returning to shooters is a good start but I think she needs to address all of the above points. To be fair her default model is apparently very appealing to lesbians so at least she has that going for her. I also believe she should be multistreaming on Twitch way more, especially when doing cross-platform collabs or tournaments (like the Jay3 Rivals tournament she is playing in this weekend).
>>108804472lose weight
Is doki actually obese? Obese people are unattractive and her voice made me assume she's obese. How was this confirmed?
>>108805352Id actually give the benefit of the doubt for Doki. Shes is hilariously irresponsible with money and obviously is suicidely inclined. She NEEDS someone to manage her shit.
>>108838492She fleshposts sometimes
>>108838529Damn sounds like the perfect fit for a husband, I wonder if she tied the knot with her manager already
>>108831538>>108832945>>108835833I always assumed her audience were lesbians and sissy men because of how androgynous she looks and her voice which is passable tier for FtM troons.A really sexy female model would scare those away.
>>108835815Doki is WAY bigger than Saba though, in volume cubed and weight
>>108836978Faggot, who's your oshi huh? Because doki is much better than her
She needs to get into drama again to boost her numbers
>>108841131Many are saying this
>>108804472Wow this harmless thread made the numbermonkeys so upset that they started spamming the oldies in the catalogue again.
>>108843193While it's all schizos at the end of the day. It's nothing short of impressive in how this thread and the previous one have lasted for so long. Usually it'd veer hard into "but what about Nijisanji?", too.
>>108838731>A really sexy female model would scare those away.That's what her original skin was supposed to be like until we lost it forever in the name of... Past Mama preservation or whatever.There was absolutely nothing wrong with it either, she even had a snarky look which was a big selling point.
>>108838492Not really. She's actually an ex jock and exercises pretty regularly. The "she's obese" thing comes from one heavily filtered/foreshortened picture she took of her socks like 10 years ago. She hasn't posted anything of herself since then, so it's mostly antis repeating the same stuff since she was Selen. >>108843193This is a numbermonkey thread, anon...
>>108843461That's only because Doki is a number monkey
>>108843525All career streamers are number monkeys, anon. Their livelihoods literally depend on it.
>>108843543Most of them don't talk about numbers and do whatever the fuck they want. Only newbies and small streamers give that much of a shit about numbers Every streamer explained why they don't give a fuck about viewership past a certain point when the mizkif shit happened
>>108843606>Most of them don't talk about numbers and do whatever the fuck they want. Only newbies and small streamers give that much of a shit about numbersAnon, that's absolutely not true. Or did you think it was just a coincidence that every single corpo streamer just plays the exact same games as everybody else for weeks at a time? If anything, Doki's been playing "whatever she wants" too much, which is quite literally what the OP is about. See >>108835057Or even, try to think about this more. WHY do you think "newbies" and "small streamers" give a shit about numbers? What do you think their goals are? The answer is growth.>Every streamer explained why they don't give a fuck about viewership past a certain point when the mizkif shit happenedThe key phrase here though seems to be "past a certain point." Doki's been clear that this year she wants that point to be 1 million subs and to get a golden play button, so she hasn't reached it yet. These threads are always fascinating to me.
>>108843358>Usually it'd veer hard into "but what about Nijisanji?", too.Because everybody knows this is just a nijinigger seethe thread. There's no point even bothering to point it out anymore.
>>108843861I see dokiturds or whatever their fanbase name is have finally ran out of their nijisanji scapegoat.Who will dokiturds target next when things don't go their way?
>>108843901Case in point. This thread only exists for Nijiseethe. You have girls out here with numbers like THIS while trying to deflect that Doki's career is the one that needs saving. Maybe you should save your own girls before whining about others.
>>108843971You didn't answer my question dokitroon.Now that blaming nijisanji has ran it's course who will you cry to next?
>>108844033Sorry, I'm in tears laughing at your pitiful attempts at deflection. What happened, huh? What could you have done to save the organs' careers? Besides watching/buying merch. We all know nijiniggers don't do that.
Would anyone care about doki if she hadn't committed suicide twice?
>open doki thread>her fans are still moaning about kurosanjiShe really is nothing without that drama, right?
>>108844125Uh oh doki manager melty>Besides watching/buying merch. We all know nijiniggers don't do that.Apparently fagoons don't do that either and doki is swimming in a whole warehouse of unsold pet dog shirts.Hey here's some advice manager dude next time ask your fans what they want instead og dropping 100 grand on novelty merch that nobody wants KEK
>>108844762Dookie is unironically worse than Sayu at this point KEK
It's so fucking easy to shake nijiniggers out of hiding, dear lord. >>108844834>Apparently fagoons don't do that either and doki is swimming in a whole warehouse of unsold pet dog shirts.Ironic considering NijiEN hasn't sold out of a limited anything in 2 years. Vox's 2023 anniversary merch is STILL in stock what happened, sis? I thought he was bigger than Gura?
>>108844987Sayu hasn't stirred up any drama for at least a year now but I see she still lives rent free in sisters' heads
>>108845344>Vox's 2023 anniversary merch is STILL in stock what happenedyou do you know they restock merch right even anniversary and list the new shipping dates.
>>108804876It's what she was known for and probably feels really bad when people point it out, even if it's not a good idea
>>108844762Dude look at the catalogue. This thread made them explode in a bomb cluster number monkey threads crying about nijis.
>>108848606I guess in the end dokibird is nothing without nijisanji, no wonder she's struggling to remain relevant
>>108848606>does one marvel rivals stream>instantly back to 3k+I guess the manager was right.
>>108845587Sayu literally admitted to giving Vshojo their poaching idea then seethed about it
>>108844523Nah. Dramafags would have nothing to pity grift with and no one could emotionally ignore the evidence at that point
>>108850346Tbh poaching from Niji was objectively a good thing to do, she did get fucked over so she has the right to be mad about it
>>108850465>Make a blatant lie>Get corrected >"Well they deserved it!"lmao. Congrats on Sayu. Glad she's responsible for every poached Niji getting scammed and going unpaid for years
>>108844762I think it's funny that dramafags have truly become irrelevant now that there hasn't been Niji drama for months now I'm surprised that they're not trying to make up some drama like they usually do
>>108843461>The "she's obese" thing comes from one heavily filtered/foreshortened picture she took of her socks like 10 years ago.No it isn't. It comes from her fleshposts where she shows how chubby she is
>>108850530Funny considering even despite Vshojo not paying them, all of them continue to not want to go back to Niji and consider leaving a good move, having vastly improved lives and careers over their time in that company. (Kyo and Hex aside)
>>108851083Kuro clearly did not considering he said he made way more than Niji than in Vshojo. He even defended Niji right before Vshojo exploded Matara didn't say a word about if leaving Niji was the best thing to do after Vshojo fired her. If anything, her seething switched from Niji to Vshojo Mint has flat out cried about how lonely she is now after Niji and cried even more when Vshojo scammed the shit out of herThe only one who said they didn't regret leaving Niji was Mika. Who wasn't even a part of NijiEN and left after ID got absorbed. Face it, Sincrocuck. You lost
>>108804472Not be a retardBut that comes with being a woman so...
>>108851208Dear lord, you really have no idea what you're talking about. I'd love to see your proof for any of these statements, because I do know what you're trying to reference, and none of them say what you think they say. Especially the Mint one. You're just throwing together 2 sister rrats and pretending like either of them were true. (For example, Mint said she liked having SPECIFICALLY a discord groupchat to make collabs more convenient, which happened with the sloppy sisters, and then again with Densetsu.)
Half this thread is the one samefag schizo redditspacing and refusing to end his last sentences with periods. You do an awful job of not looking like a butthurt Sister. The bellyaching about dramafags is textbook. >>108850596I hope one day you overcome your mental illness.
>>108851356>none of them say what you think they say.Love the cope>Especially the Mint one>"It's lonely being an indie"And she was in Vshojo the entire time. Kino double agent
>>108851386LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>108851386Fagoon melty incoming
>>108851458>And she was in Vshojo the entire time.She wasn't. She didn't sign with them until ~July 2024.
>>108851547>Pomucuck still trying to spread this lieShe was always in Vshojo
>>108851685>"It-It's a lie because... it-it just is, okay!? C-cuck!"You're doing an amazing job convincing people
>>108851823>Come back under a Vshojo contract >Signed another Vshojo contract not long laterlol
>>108851883Almost as if the first one didn't involve her joining the company!And it makes sense for that to be the case as well. Remember, she didn't return with a big redebut with a new model and assets (the markings of a vtuber actually joining Vshojo), she just showed up on Matara's stream with her old 2021 model, and her first solo stream days later involved her pulling out her old 2021 assets, talking a bit, and doing a karaoke - no debut stream with lore or "about me" or anything.
>>108852065Being under a contract with a company makes you part of the company. Simple stuff
>>108850530Literally still better than being a filthy Niji lmao
>>108852115When Cover signs a contract with a musician to produce a song, does that mean the musician is now part of Hololive? Of course not. Same situation here.
>>108852203Except she was signed to be a member of a Vshojo podcast with a Vshojo member and became a Vshojo agent while this podcast was happening So yes. She was never an indie and was always backed by a corpo
>>108852299Is Inui Toko a holomem because she did a podcast with Suisei?
>>108852299If said corpo never provided her any backing, was she actually backed by the corpo?
>>108852352Was she under contract with Hololive to do a podcast? Was Hololive responsible for making her merch and paying her?
>>108852431I guess not. But she was supposed to be so same principle
>>108852450>Was she under contract with Hololive to do a podcast?Yes, retard.That's what happens when two people agree to do work together, especially in the case with two people who are not employed by the same organization. What, did you think the real world operated on pinkie promises and "I swear I'll pay you?"
>>108852543>He thinks people that do collabs have to sign a contract KEK
>>108852543Not only that, but it culminated with Toko being in Suisei's first sololive (which means money is a factor) to perform an original song together. Cover would not allow all that without a contract being in place.
>>108845344Doki pet shirt shenanigans didnt get brought up until I give them the material last thread, none of the people shitting on doki even watch her to get material, man this board sucks, its not fun anymore when people just dont put in the effort to shitpost
>>108852689 (me)Speaking of the original song, it looks like there's a page up for it on the official Hololive website, with a listed price and links to where to buy it, right next to a picture of Toko herself.https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/music/out-of-frame/Do you think any of this would have happened without a contract being in place? Of course not.Does this make Toko a member of Hololive? Of course not.What this shows is that a vtuber can have a contract with a company without them actually being a member of said company.
>>108852976>He thinks it's a toko Hololive contract and not a Nijisanji Hololive contract Retard
>>108853315So you now admit that simply signing a contract for a collab isn't proof of entering into permanent employment for the organization, even though HoloA) had Nijisanji under contract for the collabB) was responsible for making merch and then giving their cut over to the other party.Thank you for playing.
>>108853572Hey, retard. Is someone independent if they rely on getting their money from a corporation? Is a company no longer it's own company if they sign a deal with another business?
>>108853736>Hey, retard. Is someone independent if they rely on getting their money from a corporation?So you're saying Nijisanji isn't a company independent of Hololive? After all, if they signed a contract that means they're under Holo now.
>>108853736When Cover signs a contract with an independent musician to produce a song, is that musician no longer independent and now part of Hololive? Of course not.
>>108853787>Nijisanji is now a person Based retard>>108853849That is two businesses collaborating. Mint is an "indie" that came back solely because of Vshojo, to make content for Vshojo and to let Vshojo make her merch under a Vshojo contract She was working for Vshojo the entire time. Simple stuff
>>108854000>That is two businesses collaborating.An independent musician and an independent vtuber are one and the same.
>>108854000>>Nijisanji is now a personNijisanji was an independent party signing the contract for the collaboration, just as Mint Fantome was an independent party signing a contract for the collaboration. Your requirements were >Party B signed a contract with Party A>Party A was responsible for making merch>Party A was responsible for paying Party B their cut of the profitsIs Nijisanji no longer independent if they relied on Hololive to pay them for their part in the collaboration?
>>108804472>new shootersJust play old shooters then.
>>108854054No, they aren't. An independent vtuber is only independent for as long as they aren't signed for a contract with a company. An independent musician has their own business and they sell a service >>108854589Nijisanji is a vtuber company owned by anycolor>Let tell me what you thinkLmao. Nijisanji is a corporation dealing with another corporation. Not a worker signing a contract
>>108854968>No, they aren't. An independent vtuber is only independent for as long as they aren't signed for a contract with a company.OK, I getcha. So if Mint signs a contract to work with Kiara on her 3D concert, she's a Holomem. Wow! I didn't know it was that easy.
>>108855026>He still thinks people sign contracts for collabs Hopeless really
>>108854968>No, they aren't. An independent vtuber is only independent for as long as they aren't signed for a contract with a company.ANY contract? So if Hololive pays me to draw a picture for one of Nerissa's acrylic stands, I'm now a member of Hololive?!
>>108855065When money's involved? They absolutely do. Or do you think Hololive just sends Nijisanji a superchat and calls it a day after the merch sells?How do you make sure Hololive pays Nijisanji without a contract, sister?
>>108854968>No, they aren't. An independent vtuber is only independent for as long as they aren't signed for a contract with a company. An independent musician has their own business and they sell a serviceAn independent vtuber can be their own business and sell services to a company just like an independent musician can.
>>108855112Do you think Hololive splits the money from concerts between guests? Retard
>>108855083>An artist with their own business is the same as a vtuber Hopeless >>108855212Technically, most corpo vtubers are contractors who are fulfilling a service. Is Nijisanji a company full of indies? No. Because they're hired by a company for the purpose of streaming as a vtuber for them. Like Mint did for Vshojo. Making her not an indie
>>108855863Mint was not hired to stream as a vtuber for Vshojo until ~July 2024. A pre-recorded podcast is not a vtuber stream.
>>108855776This wasn't just a concert. It had merch.With the Nijisanji member on it. Do you REALLY think Nijisanji would lend its own IP to another company to use in a MONETIZED event or for MONETIZED merch for free? >>108855863>Like Mint did for VshojoMint was not hired to stream for Vshojo. She was there to record podcasts and then they would sell merch with her likeness on it. If Mint is a vshojo member because she agreed to work for a very specific project that would result in vshojo paying her, then Inui Toko is a Hololive member for working on a Hololive project in which she would receive monetary compensation for using her likeness.
>>108849528Kek
>>108843452The new one has better face-tracking, right?
>>108805584Me I can fix her....or she can make me worse either or
>>108856886Yeah, the old model's obsolete and can't really be rerigged the way it was cut, so she'll need to redo it from the ground up. That said, the design itself isn't dead. She already has a new, holo-quality 3D model for it and used it in her birthday concert. It's gorgeous in motion but it'll probably be seen more as a celebratory or gimmick thing for retro streams until she releases the files for it. Knowing her, she probably already has an updated, redrawn Live2D just sitting around in a folder waiting for an event to pull it out (like she did with the various chibi models she revealed at once a bit ago)
>>108856491>She was there to record podcasts and then they would sell merch with her likeness on it.So she was a part of Vshojo >Inui TokoStop being a retard. A Nijisanji Hololive collab is not a person signing into a company
>>108859225>>She was there to record podcasts and then they would sell merch with her likeness on it.So Inui Toko was part of Hololive. Stop being a retard. A podcast collab is not a person signing into a company.
>>108859225>So she was a part of VshojoNo.>A Nijisanji Hololive collab is not a person signing into a companyNeither is an Indie-Vshojo collab.
>>108859317>A podcast collabPeople don't sign contracts just to collab, dumb fuck >>108859329"Indie" isn't a fucking company, you blathering retard
>>108859389>People don't sign contracts just to collab, dumb fuckCover is currently selling music with Inui Toko's voice and image on it. There is no way a contract was not signed for that, unless you want to argue that she is now part of Hololive.
>>108859389>People don't sign contracts just to collab, dumb fuckSo are you telling me that when someone collabs with a brand like Omocat or JeanaDraws, there's never any contracts involved? You don't think Saba ever signed a contract with Omocat for her collab merch? Everyone just makes a pinkie promise that everyone else will be paid? You're just digging yourself into deeper holes and it's fucking hilarious watching you squirm because you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>108859389>"Indie" isn't a fucking company, you blathering retardAny sizable indie would register themselves as a sole proprietorship company or single-member LLC with their country's taxing authority. So yes, "indie" can be a company.
>>108807578>lies the lefties sayLOL no, it was the having terrorist lesbians shot in the face part
>>108839371True you got me there. She looks like she eats 3 Sabas a day
>>108840949impossible, Doki is better than literally no one. She is the bottom of the barrel scum, the 99.9%er. Subhuman filth, like every one of her fans.
>>108838492she's a chonk. Not a landwhale, but she's someone you wouldn't give a second glance at if you saw them at walmart or something. 3/10
>>108845344that's just a flat out lie, I go to the niji store all the time and tons of recent stuff is sold out. I buy almost everything Klara or Elira put out and it doesnt last long
>>108849598god her design is such fucking ass, it gets worse every time I see it
>>108860173It's not 2016 anymore. No one likes your senile nonce anymore unless you're Russian.
>>108851356sure anon. it came to you in a dream that none of that was true, right. It all is 100% accurate and easy to look up, do your reps
>>108851386>REEEEEEEEE samefag!! the only argument assblasted fagoons have at this point
>>108852203the mental gymnastics mintfags go through is insane. She wasn't signed by them to make a song, she was signed as an on air talent. Hence, she was part of vshojo
>>108855026you're an absolute fucking retard, that's not even close to the same situation. she wasn't signed for something like that, she was signed to be a fucking vtuber you dipshit
>>108860546>She wasn't signed by them to make a song, she was signed as an on air talent. Hence, she was part of vshojoNope. Contracting someone to make a song, and contracting someone to co-host a limited-time podcast, are one in the same.
>>108822508She isn't even bigger than Mint nowadays, relying more and more on her for relevance.
>thread still upFagoons...
Imagine continuing to shit on doki in 2026, It really is that meme of the jap still fighting WW2 in the 1980s
>>108861176>bumping your own threadOP...
>>108861176whose fault is that, retard?
