unbecoming gupperinos

>>108817264
I wasn't paying attention and forgot the collab was today

>popularity slipping
>quick release asmr
nimi would be proud

>>108817716
This ASMR has been being scripted and recorded before she came back from her hiatus.

The most paranormal schizo loli on the Internet who has fun with her paranormal fans

Shondo's right about the purity>whoredome
There is a female saint who killed herself and her children over letting themselves be captured by ottomans and ending up sex slaves

Can you get your retarded oshi to stop ruining this collab with her performative purity?

she spreads her legs for me c:

>>108817716
She's been working on this for awhile. She's just incredibly slow with finishing asmr.
>>108817760
this

>>108818288
I think she is in a mood today, she's being annoyingly reductive about a complex topic and retarded today. You can tell when even the other barbies are being silent when she talks.

she so fucking retarded
sex is a pleasure, having sex with someone you don't love doesn't make you a whore
also thats was a different times, every woman would rather give birth to the emperor's child and live like a queen than kill herself because sex is yuck

Shondo's going to get ghosted by these girls if she keeps this up.

I feel the paranormal coming back.

Shondo
>"I want to just run away and shack up with a rich old guy"
Also Shondo
>"I would rather kill myself than enter the family of the emperor for status and wealth and bear children who would be of higher social status and possibly become emperor in the future"

Shondo will be my paranormal concubine

She's coping and trying to gaslight herself about her own issues and decisions she's making.

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>>108818770
I also don't understand her issues with nudity.
Nudity is natural and beautiful; even people in ancient times worshipped the human body

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>>108818770
>having sex with someone you don't love doesn't make you a whore
Theres plenty of women who have sex with men they don't actually love. Many do it to gain leverage for themselves over men. Using the act of sex as a way of convincing them into doing things they want. Those are whores.

This is a completely different circumstance though. If you don't sleep with the emperor, then you'll be killed. Sure, theres benefits to it, but it's still a "have sex or die" kind of circumstance. Your hands are pretty much tied there. So Shondo's mistake is applying modern day sensibilities to a historical situation and thinking it's the same when it's not.

>>108818770
wrong

>>108819212
This is purely due to her own body issues. Theres zero reason for her as a European to hate nudity. That's American puritanical bullshit that gets programmed into your brain at an early age that you don't bother to question until you get older and realize how fucked up it is to turn a blind eye to extreme violence but find nudity disgusting.

>>108819677
that is one to one her beliefs LMAO
she loves extreme gore and violence especially visited upon women, but somehow finds sexuality repulsing.

>>108819736
That was the point I was making. Her mindset on nudity is very America-coded. Which is funny considering how much she makes fun of Americans.

>>108819158
It really goes to show how unhealthy this is for her and the mentally isolating and toxic nature of her issue because this is weighing on her the entire time, this is just an exceptional manifestation of it, and she's doing the opposite of trying to get better, despairge with no end in sight and it only gets worse for her and anyone who cares the longer it continues.

"its all so tiresome.." yeah shes not feeling it today

I HATE shondo that is alll thumbs up emoticon

>>108819677
>>108819783
she is literally mentally ill with extreme body image issues and cant even look at herself nude in the mirror

>>108819874
+1 like

>>108819860
She hasn't been feeling it all week. She admitted to this last night after the movie. She's been stressed out from doing taxes and trying to get a mortgage for a new house.

>>108819860
>>108819909
her fault, she's not tired enough yet fortunately unfortunately, she's still doing her own shit testing and games like that

>>108817264
GFE ASMR already? what happened with the whole "it's over" thing? did paypiggies left her and she got worried?

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>>108820436
see >>108780099

male collab during a big group stream coming in a couple of months, mark my worrds

>>108820586
i don't want to mark your words

>>108820586
who is mark? will he fight michael?

>>108820586
with vedals robot yeah

>it's not romantic at all because he's just being manipulative and fake
damn she really was just pretending to be retarded the whole time

>they all look the fucking same
Shondo wtf

yeah bark you stupid bitch

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>>108820922
based and shitlerpilled

i hate this cheating whore downvoted

she definitely did anal

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I fucked her ass btw

>>108820848
of course she was
"you all still like me because you think I'm..."

>>108821100
THINK SHES WHAT
WHAT DID SHE STOP HERSELF FROM SAYING

>>108821115
a virgin

>>108821137
who cares?

>>108821115
young looking girl who’s “short”

>>108821100
well she's not entirely pretending she still has her issues, maybe she just learned her lesson since then
>>108821137
the funny thing is every regular who constantly calls women whores or says they could never be with a non virgin would instantly 180 if she ever admitted that like they do with everything else when they shit themselves and don't get their way
she's not a virgin btw, all 3 holes ask me how i know
>>108821193
exactly, they don't care, it's all fake
>>108821201
not this she knows everyone knows how she looks

>>108821041
what makes you say that?

>>108821332
i stretched her out yesterday

>>108821353
so that's why she was late to the movie

>>108821244
>it's all fake
the deepest layer of hell is reserved for the sin of betrayal for a reason, probably nothing to learn from stories written and expanded upon and studied for hundreds of years though those guys weren't on to anything

>>108821244
>says they could never be with a non virgin would instantly 180
like she did lmao

>>108821100
you added the "i'm" part

>>108821438
yeah but it's okay for her to lie and be fake with the people who care about that cause they're the same whether or not she's honest and i don't care about them and they deserve worse and she already doesn't get paid enough anyway

im gonna marry her irl

too late i already married my dick to her cervix

quit horsing around >.<

https://litter.catbox.moe/yzmtdvcsblh6d8iu.webp
https://litter.catbox.moe/jyl87xyktm5ag0kx.webp
rkgk

>>108821975
cute

>>108821975
Interesting artstyle.
Are you a /shon/ only artist or do you have other socials?

>>108822039
https://litter.catbox.moe/lsigzeuf95qpd9dq.7z
shon only basically i don't really draw

>>108822113
dolphin porn link do not open

you can tell i've been teaching her a lot about sex and how to be a woman

>>108822039
you're replying to a banned anti

>>108822347
gay and jealous of getting another man's attention? double gay? yikes forever dude

>barbies didn't know she was moving until now
leaning on them btw

>She is rushing into buying a property
Can't wait for this to backfire in her face

shondo bought a fucking mansion

Damn, good thing the doxx won't be useful anymore against her, but also i'll lose her location too so that's a shame

>>108822471
groomers won, buying a house without even talking to the barbies and instead talking about how much movie nights are "helping" her, she'll tell you to your face though she's fine and that she talks with her friends who are her peers in a niche career and isn't isolated

>>108822552
get her to self isolate, make it her "choice" to be groomed and isolated and unhealthy, classic

found it :)

and she won't tell the rest of you where she lives c:

>>108822708
She won't be moving away far enough that her sisters can't go to the same schools.

>>108822552
>>108822642
it's her lying and gaslighting that she's totally fine and not manipulated and encouraged to and acting unhealthy that's the biggest red flag, just goes to show where her head is at and how she's been influenced when she's swearing up and down she's totally fine or being healthy/responsible and not influenced negatively by all of it, the house thing is just a symptom of the problem

I don't care what you retards think but making big financial decisions under time sensitivity and emotional duress isn't a good idea.

>>108822748
>>108822775
dw she talked with the mods about it, they're handling it

>>108822748
Thought you stopped watching her? Another lie from the fat unemployed loser tubby

>>108822748
>the house thing is just a symptom of the problem
>her landlord literally gave her under a year to move her entire family
please. please for the love of god stop talking and kill yourself.

>>108822748
instead of learning and using this as an opportunity to take the L and grow from it she's probably just going to be pissed she said that and that you bring this up
honestly it doesn't really matter what is going through her head, there's a reason she's been stuck in this kind of thing at the end of the day
>>108822854
i said mostly and it's easier to watch when she's with her friends like this
>>108822991
i'm talking about her jumping in to buying a house and not even mentioning it to the barbies whilst also being super stressed apparently too

>plays chinese game
>puts herself in a cone hat with a yellow hand
>says all chinese look the same
>says chinese men all look effeminate

>>108823061
>her landlord literally gave her under a year to move her entire family

>>108823114
>and not even mentioning it to the barbies whilst also being super stressed

>>108823114
you know she can just rent somewhere right

>>108822991
Shondo should've just become a Chinese prostitute

>>108823140
she can become my court whore anytime

>>108823140
mine
i will treat her well

>>108823127
>relying on her family during family issues
how shocking, please kill yourself.

>>108823189
>family issues
yeah and major financial decisions. how about you just chill out instead of shitting on one of the only few good people here for her actually encouraging her to not fall into her shit just because you're biased and know who you're replying to and can get away with it

>>108823189
how can you rely on those who are causing the stress?

>>108823189
is that what you think she does?

>>108817264
https://x.com/acervodoguinhos/status/2014130813168759219

>>108823235
he should be shat on more desu

>>108823235
you haven't encouraged anything. she kept her business to herself and her family and you actually think this is your highlight to keep shitting on Shondo more. you're a spineless retard and still wrong.

i'm going to crash out

>>108822708
She will move with me c:

I wish I wasn't such a shy weirdo and could start talking in p2w.
Maybe I'd make friends or even get invited to one of those secret clubs

>>108823346
>get invited to one of those secret clubs
they're not that interesting

>>108823235
shut up you groomer, she's relying on the barbies like you wanted and look how stressed she is, now get ready for movie night and more constant doubtcasting and well poisoning
>>108823285
i really dont' give a fuck how you want to spin this, she just toild them HERSELF that she was buying a house, she didn't keep it to herself for some good reason, she did it because of people like you constantly dragging her against people like me and those supporting her in being better and she's fucking prone to spiraling in on that shit and you fucking know it
i'm not shitting on her, just like i wasn't shitting on her to say she should talk with the barbies, disgusting cunt, keep mentally isolating her though i guess it's what she wants she plans on dying soon anyway right who cares it can't be easily better and you benefit from this for your shallow reasons right

>>108823346
you want to talk about effeminate men, imagine being part of a cucked group who thought they had special privileges to gatekeep her but now can't even call themselves husbands any longer :c

>>108823346
>talking in a groomer discord
>wanting to be invited to groomer discords
just watch the stripper

>>108823235
Why is the fat unemployed loser tubby trying to lecture anyone on their life decisions when this manchild still lives in his parents basement?
lol irl

>>108823430
because he's probably tired of watching shondo kill herself for no reason while being gassed up by the fake fucks around her also discouraging her subtly and not so subtly from reaching out and not hurting herself and her family and everyone around her (mostly herself) for retarded reasons
she's actually gone off the deep end at this point if she keeps this up it's over and it's exactly what you've been trying to push her to do for years now, too bad your retarded ass can only do it while excluding yourself as well, but you don't care about her anyway so either way this is a win for you right cause you get to "control" her and no one else does (influence her (not even the barbies))

>>108823403
>mentally isolating herself
>literally told the barbies about her life on stream
wow so much for that one dipshit.
you will never have it your way ever again you fucking nigger. so by all means, go rant off in your retarded antics ignoring that her landlord obligated her to move. i will watch you squirm for the next 15 months.

>>108823552
>i'm already buying a house
>told the barbies this on a whim on stream where they can't really advise her and she didn't ask
trying to paint this as proof she's not mentally isolated is all the evidence anyone with a brain and an ounce of wisdom needs to see what your game here is
>le squirm for 15 months
and go figure it's you of course

>>108823534
>doesn't deny he's a fat unemployed loser
LMAOOOO

go figure the only reason she even told us about it is because she was venting to cope

>>108823534
You don't have any life experience to even know if this is a negative thing you schizo. You only know the four walls around you and eating too much you fat rat.
Pipe down and stop finding any reason to stop shondo improving her life you anti cunt

Buying a house for 7 people on this economy is so dumb specially with her income that will go down like every other vtuber in a few years.

>>108823637
she's been talking about it every stream

>>108823645
the barbies are some of the most valuable people she has in her life, that's all i need to know to know how bad it is about her mental state and choices (not even necessarily regarding the house at all, it could be the perfect choice, not the point) - how bad it is about her mental state that she is just now telling them after over a week of venting to her groomers about it and going on about how much she's stressed yet not reaching out to them in any way

honestly it borderline seems like they were trolling lmao i wouldn't even be shocked

>>108823723
The streams he promises he doesn't watch but cries about every day btw

>>108823593
this was brand new news and shared it when Olivia was giving her own good news. it's actually hilarious watching you try to spin this when she's literally leaning on her friends and her family in real time.
and her therapist.
but i know you hate that, which is what this was all about >>108822748
i especially like the part of you calling shondo a liar. not on your best tonight tubbs.

Goodnight shoggas
Remember to thank your guardian angel

>>108823703
It's not 7 people anymore
Also, depending on how far it is, FT might choose to stay behind with his girlfriend, or Claire might come with? who knows

>>108823745
But he said it himself? Shondo is a liar c:

>>108823759
shondo is a proven liar and manipulator though

>>108823743
I thought you didn't watch streams?
You still have 0 life experience so you have no say in this conversation. Grow up first, you mentally stunted manchild

>>108822991
Tubby raped in full damage control now from one post LMAO
This is why D is King.

>>108823797
I was counting me and our 5 children c:

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>>108823759
she literally is a liar, she would have told me right to my face (or intentionally ignored it) if i (or someone else) had brought that up to her in chat about talking to the barbies lol, and she LOVES to minimize (just like how you guys put in her head) how much she is stubborn for no reason and self harms by mentally isolating herself from influences like that
>>108823797
at that point why get such a big house, renting seems so much better no matter how you look at it, even she sounds skeptical about if it's worth it jsut based on the mortgage
but also i don't think they plan on anyone moving out any time soon, and there's nothing really wrong with that
honestly with her family it's a good thing lol
>>108823803
i tune in and out based on my whims. i've watched like half of her stream hours last week randomly and none of the movies
>>108823800
yeah focus on that and run with it poison the well and deflect epic damage control, she is an emotional-whore like she was crashing out about earlier after all so this is what you pay her with i guess like always

whatever just die you're right i shouldn't even be around anyway even if she's rushing in to a mortgage and super stressed and not relying on some of the most valuable and wise people in her life true i'm the problem her bait was just too good today but i already said anything worth saying true i shouldn't even watch at all, we're getting there at this rate i can't

i was gonna doom post yesterday but then decided against it since there wasn't much more to say and nothing really changed but after today well the reality speaks for itself

cuckneet melty lmaooo

>>108824113
>no actual response
that's what i thought.

>>108824113
You have 0 life experience. I don't care how much custard your grotesque husk vomits out, you have no say in this conversation until you stop being a stupid little child and grow up.
Pipe.

>>108824113
Tubby I will grant you that fumbling this hard due to actually not watching the movies and not knowing what she told us about her landlord is valid. But quadrupling down on anting her and calling her a liar after being called out by her regulars is not the L you should be biting.

>>108824361
she is a liar though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rCJwmnghM

>>108824113
mentally isolating herself from the barbies whilst coping negatively with her groomers, how convenient this is how things just so happened to end up, she's making her choice though right nothing to worry about let her rot or have fun watching it and contributing, it's what she likes after all seeing how insane she is over people who have done nothing but that for far longer and she thinks that's something to value positively who is anyone else to question that right she's never reflected on that herself before multiple times negatively or anything
>>108824231
i have more life experience than this schizo ahh bih and apparently more than most of you judging by how the last years of her life have went and with me, either way you don't need life experience to know she's fucking up by not talking with the barbies of all people while slitting her mental wrists with her failed-internet-groomer-orbiters instead

it has nothing to do with me, i could die right now and every word of this remains more or less true and she still has plenty of actual good people she can trust and who love her like the barbies or her family or even a few other regulars (relatively) which is what i have always said since day 1
>>108824361
nigga it's not about the land lord because i seriously doubt whatever the hell is going on can't justify the mental state she has to be in to be coping with her groomers venting and dooming whilst not mentioning this to the barbies until now --__-- but whatever blow up
>>108824420
exactly nothing even wrong with that we all are and most of the time she lies it's based but not when it's for her to justify her groomed mental and isolate from the actual BLESSINGS that are the barbies

unironically this is the woman shit she was talking about, her doing this, literally her issue is i can't look her silly ass in the face and tell her this shit or do it for her she'd rather fuck around instead and get weird in her head about it and with others
she's not tired of the woman shit at all she's just ragebaiting -_- she was probably touching herself saying that shit the sick fuck on stream with her concubines and all
it is really female of me to not have left yet since i can't **** her as the alternative though i get the L on that for sure what's one more day though it's not like the clock's ticking i'm retarded she's not wrong to think that

>>108824761
>>108824231

>>108824829
tl;dr i love my evil xxxWife and her lies and sadistic gooning fetish

Shondo should buy 6 houses in Shindia that will fix all her current problems

wet cat lives matter :fist:

Good Evening Shondopolis!! ^_^/

>>108825011
gary what's your thoughts on the artist muk?

https://x.com/ribbonchama/status/2014203284786159951

>>108824761
>not mentioning this to the barbies until now
we only just learned about it. which is why most of the movies have been pushed back so late.
it has everything to do with the landlord which is why she is finding a place to move at all.
which is, again, why you're wrong and equally retarded for continuing to run your mouth wHiLsT shitting on her.

>>108825180
the issue is her not talking with the barbies and what that implies based on her mental state because she's been talking for the last week on main streams about moving and it weighing on her and in discord
but yep focus on the irrelevant shit and deflect and talk about how i'm totally shitting on her for just asking her to lean on her friends more and she constantly minimizes things like that just like how you're doing right now
now say some shit about "well ur still shitting on her" and deflect from the important relevant part about what the issue i'm talking about is because it involves you and the mindset you've put in her head that's eating her from the inside out and turning her away from her good people in her life towards fake snakes like you

>>108825272
and turning her more towards her own unhealthy brainworms that they take advantage of too, whether or not she's groomed or people are encouraging her and manipulating her further into it it's still unhealthy even just on her own which is partially why you're so successful in doing what you're doing right now and have been for years

>>108825272
Leave your basement, get a job, treat your mental illness
You can't talk about shit you've no clue about, manchild. Mid 20s and acting like a fucking child lol irl

>Anonymous

>>108825272
>the issue is her not talking with the barbies
but she did. she literally did right on stream live in front of thousands about new, relevant good news in her life.

>>108825368
after a week of dooming out and going through the process making decisions and maladaptively coping with groomers like you taking advantage of it and still doing so and pushing it yeah

>>108825394
you don't even watch streams by your own admission, what the fuck do you know cuck

>>108819212
she is not natural and beautiful, her pilot is an unhealthy schizo

>>108825455
plap plap plap plap plap

>>108825454
spending time with my side hoe's has been giving me some life experience that i come back with

>One of Shondos mods is a female
Troon or biological? Either way they won.

>>108825582
any guesses?

>>108825394
>after a week of dooming out
you mean spending time with her family?
seeing her psychiatrist?
making plans with the barbies?
making plans to go out with family?
exercising?
cooking for her family?
dealing with life stuff like taxes?
doing actual adult life stuff like looking for houses with FE?
you're going to have to find another groomercuck narrative, tubby. because she's not the same girl you continue to shit on wHiLsT encouraging antis to

>>108825582
100% troon

>>108825642
Oh look, someone who watches streams and isn't just a manchild making up bullshit to anti shondo

Merch and Donothon incoming.

she is making a terrible decision

>>108825806
Prove it and the post it where she can see it.

>>108825642
yes, while doing all that and avoiding talking with her friends who are wise on that stuff and instead venting to you about her massive life changing decisions which involve risk to herself and her family and might dictate how the next few years of their life will go, or the rest of it, while you farm groomer points and encourage it and come /here/ to post doing so even further like you have done for the 2 years i've been here and even before then and i will continue to be proven right
>>108825582
and shondo will continue the same behavior fucking around like this lel
to the grave

honestly i genuinely do hope she's jus lying about most of it because that would make me feel way better for her and i wouldn't have to worry about the shit i can see coming from miles away over and over and being able to prevent it or help it

either way that's my queue to fuck off again, have fun with your fake shit like usual, i know she will, until she's on stream fighting with her friends because she's going menhera over these brainworms like she doesn't know exactly what the issue is but she needs to make herself feel like something else is the problem like me or herself and not your kind and your influence and manipulation and her own mental struggles (which you also feed and take advantage of)

https://x.com/OfAthenry/status/2014382037017284700
bonus meme

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>>108825849
who says she's avoiding talking to them? you're literally lying and making up shit while we have mountains of evidence proving you wrong still.

>>108825849
She doesn't discuss her mental health or problems with the Barbies because she doesn't want to use them as a trauma sponge the same way she used her friends before. Also they would give her the advise to not buy a house and set herself to literally 0 dollars with an expensive mortgage and 6 mouths to feed and internet and utility bills to pay as well since her income is the only one supporting them and is completely unreliable and she knows that so she won't talk with them about it.

>>108825849
So long, cuck. Thanks for proving yet again you'll argue for the sake of it even when objectively wrong just to anti shondo
I wish you had any self awareness so you could extrapolate this to everything you've been wrong about over the last 15 months. Which is literally everything

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>>108825849
>queue
ESL when he's seething as usual LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
king D wins again

>>108826228
Funniest part is D confirmed it was him for once to come give this cuckneet another raping.

>>108826123
and both of those behaviors are problematic, have been for years now, caused genuine harm and stress, are being ENCOURAGED by the people she's coping with, and she knows this, but *always* chooses to do the opposite and will just spite you if you try to support her instead with the same people and behavior that is keeping her in this
it wouldn't be that serious if this hasn't been happening for years and hasn't had her in the hopital or crying on stream or isolating herself from the fucking **barbies** of all fucking people
they fucking LOVE her man and she can actually fucking trust them, it's genuinely world ending knowing she can't, whatever the reasoxn, bring herself to lean on them a little and it's faaaar worse that she is instead leaning into the people who have done nothing for her besides make her life even worse and encourage these issues and do everything in their power to keep her stuck in this shit while taking advantage of it for shallow reasons

sorry this was too real of an answer to ignore because you actually get it :/

>>108826287
>>108826166

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shlorp won

>effeminate men
we all know now that is what /shon/ likes after the twinkage event. shondo has practically NO womanly traits and is no different from a little boy except for her lack of a joystick

>>108825769
pay off the house donothon this summer into melty into merch into drama

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>>108826287
and then of course anyone who does go out of their way to support her on that gets attacked and harassed by the same people to the point where most people who would have either left or know to shut up and not think about it too much probably because they have much more shit in their own life to worry about and can't reasonably fight for her properly
and of course shondo sees that harassment and thinks it's epic or harmless and not affecting her or anyone or rather likes to make herself (like they shill to her) feel like it is which further reinforces her negative perception towards the people she needs to lean on and value in the first place (in a roundabout way, the barbies too)

again, there's a reason they won't even agree or say something themselves, and why their best strategy is to just pretend like it's all silly trolling and hope shondo doesn't step back for a second and realize the underlying behavior and result going on here and the true intent being shown just by virtue of them not themselves trying to support her on this stuff and also go out of their way even if it were just all harmless fun (and months, years, have shown it's not, though they want to act like it is especially now as it gets brought to light)

k i'm done using my schizo punching bag again she really pissed me off today though sadomasochistic bratty rose hate love her

>>108826638
You never supported her or cared about her. You were permabanned and then continued to anti her until current day.

>>108826657
the chair makes his cat wet and that's what he loves

>shondo had sex with lots of girls in japan

>>108826638
Cuckseethe after losing so embarrassingly
Go on and 'leave' while you larp as nottubby for the next 8 hours you fat unemployed loser

>>108826750
fuminori was unemployed and dropped out for saya js

>>108826785
>still here
Concession accepted

>>108826812
not your gf u fag lesbian pussy

>>108826750
he's actually already pretending to be someone else, you've raped this cuck too hard today LMAO

>>108824113
nice picture

>>108825069
who the frick is that??

>>108827640
muk monsieur

>>108827678
doesnt ring a bell! ima watch a movie now ^_^

>>108791929
>>108792013

A bit of ego searching a revealed that I live part time in your minds. Should know it's not me who made that post as my order was cancelled already.
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>>108827750
obsessed

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>>108827721
he doesn't really do animations, think you got the wrong guy

>>108827907
Yes, they appear to be.

>>108827925
?? no im doing something else mister. My lyft driver is on crack and it smells like smoke and its raining and theres care crashes everywhere \>_</ im gonna be late!!

>>108814856
>>108814915

> This is about Christianity’s internal theology; outside analysis is illegitimate
This is the foundational mistake your entire response rests on. Internal theology explains what believers say God is. It does not explain how the concept of God functions, arises, stabilizes, or changes in real human societies. Those are external questions, and they are not invalidated by doctrinal self-descriptions. If internal theology were sufficient to settle questions of origin and function, then no belief system could ever be false on its own terms. That’s not how reasoning works. Christianity’s theology is the object under analysis, not the tool that gets to veto analysis.
You dismiss "secular scholars" outright, even though this field of study requires a secular approach. For your information, this doesn't mean they have to be atheists; it just means their religious beliefs shouldn't corrupt their reasoning. It's like dismissing a climate scientist just because they aren't a grifter paid by the oil industry.

> God cannot be a reflection of believers because He is defined as absolute and external
This is circular. You are asserting that God is not a human projection because God is, by definition, not a human projection. That’s not an argument, it’s a definitional closure. Any belief system can do this. A political ideology can define its core values as “objective.” A cult can define its leader as “beyond human influence.” That tells us nothing about whether the concept is actually independent of human values. The question is not what Christianity claims God is, but what the concept of God is actually about.

> “Different gods across cultures don’t prove projection; pagan tribes were just wrong”
This doesn’t address the argument, you’re restating exclusivism. The point is that the structure of god-concepts tracks human societies: warrior cultures produce warrior gods; legalistic cultures produce law-giving gods; ascetic cultures produce renunciatory gods; imperial cultures produce cosmic monarchs; etc.
Yahveh in particular follows this pattern, alongside its evolution, which you can read in the Bible + Professed Doctrine itself: Tribal war god national god universal moral lawgiver (centuries after Jesus) metaphysical absolute (the current version, created by apologists over a millennia after Jesus).
You dismiss this as “modern academic presumption,” but it’s supported by comparative mythology, textual stratification of the Hebrew Bible, archaeology (syncretism with El, Baal, Asherah), internal biblical evidence of evolving theology, historical evidence of the doctrine of each Church, etc. Calling this “just idolatry” doesn’t refute the pattern, it confirms that religious development was happening and being contested.

> There is no evidence Yahweh evolved; Israelite syncretism proves the opposite
Syncretism is evidence of development. The fact that Yahweh absorbs attributes of other deities, competing conceptions of God coexist, and later texts reinterpret earlier ones, demonstrates evolution of the God-concept, not its immutability. Saying “the Israelites were wrong until they got it right” is a theological claim, not a historical explanation. What we see is a progressive refinement of an ideal, not the sudden appearance of a fully formed metaphysical absolute.

> Christian morals don’t change; deviations are just corrected
This is demonstrably false.
Slavery: once tolerated and even encouraged or mandated, now condemned.
Usury: once forbidden, now normalized.
Gender hierarchy: once divinely mandated, now softened or reinterpreted.
Violence: once sacralized, now problematized.
Each time, Christianity does not say “we changed”; it says “we now understand better.” That is precisely how human ideals evolve while preserving the illusion of immutability. An unchanging external standard does not require centuries of reinterpretation to align with shifting moral intuitions.

> Monastics and saints prove convergence on an external target
No, they prove institutional convergence. You are selecting people trained in the same texts, the same practices, the same evaluative criteria, and the same authority structures, and then marveling that they resemble one another.
This happens in Buddhist monasteries, Stoic schools, Sufi orders, Confucian academies, etc. Convergence under shared constraints does not imply an external metaphysical target. It implies successful internalization of a norm. If convergence proved external reality, mutually incompatible traditions would converge on the same endpoint. They don’t.

(cont.)

>>108828305
>>108814856
>>108814915

> Projection errors don’t change God; they’re just human failures
This concedes the core mechanism. If humans constantly misproject onto God, correction comes through evolving tradition, and that tradition is humanly transmitted, interpreted, and enforced, then at no point do you escape the human feedback loop. You are just deferring projection upward.
You have not shown where unmediated access to an external standard occurs, only where claims of correction occur. A mirror doesn’t stop being a mirror because people polish it.

> Spiritual growth leads to less self-projection, proving God is external
This confuses directional discipline with objectivity. As people mature within a system, they align more closely with its ideals. That’s true of religious doctrines, political radicals, ethical philosophies, monastic orders, etc.
This proves that the system is effective at reshaping individuals, not that its ideal exists independently of human construction. If anything, the fact that growth requires renouncing oneself to adopt a predefined model reinforces that the model is socially maintained and normatively enforced.

> Euthyphro is irrelevant; goodness is God’s nature
This collapses into semantic equivalence. If “Good” means “whatever God is like”, and God is known only through human moral categories, then “goodness” is still being idealized from human evaluative concepts, then reified. You haven’t escaped idealization, you’ve renamed it “nature” and declared it absolute.

> Kenosis and the Church prove divine authority, not human projection
Again, this is just an assertion with no evidence to back it up.
Every religious tradition with authority structures claims divine guidance, preservation from error, and correct interpretation. That claim does not demonstrate independence from human cognition; it demonstrates legitimization of authority. Saying “Christ founded the Church and the Spirit guides it” is the claim under dispute, not a premise you get to assume.

The concept of the Christian God functions as a supposedly externalized, idealized moral standard, but whose content is shaped, transmitted, stabilized, and revised through human psychology, culture, and institutions, while being rhetorically insulated from critique by claims of absoluteness. Nothing you’ve said disproves that. You’ve only reiterated Christianity’s internal narrative and demanded it be treated as evidence.

>>108828305
>>108828337
UH OH custard!!

it was never going to be okay and there was never any decent ending we just die now alone and it's too late now the only real choice is how to take the last few breaths. it really does just end at some point lol ok you don't get a say

>>108829397
thats nice shondo

Catch me up.

hey shondo you should marry me i can pay the rest of your mortgage

shondo marry me so I can get life insurance. Ill give 10% to your lazy retard angloid family

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1V2CHLnOE4 thoughts?

>>108830743
Not gonna watch because the thumbnail has a bible instead of a torah or quran. Can instantly tell it was made by some faggot redditor who has a fetish for watching black men

>>108831096
> Not gonna watch because the thumbnail has a bible instead of a torah or quran.
It addresses not just Christianity, but all Abrahamic religions and more.

> Can instantly tell it was made by some faggot redditor who has a fetish for watching black men
The "Redditor with a BBC fetish" is just a cartoon invented by the very white supremacists who created and spread the fetish on social media. They did this in an attempt to create fervor against imaginary enemies and radicalize racists further into their ideology.

>>108831236
>based based based based based
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SHAMONE

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i'm sorry

kill yourself

finished Return to Silent Hill!!
2/10 one of the worst movies ive ever watched. the entire auditorium gave up and we wrrr all laughing our heads off for the entire third act
twas a fun experience but definitely not a good movie.

How do you fat finger while still typing letters next to each other on the keyboard? How do you not notice that you pressed r 3 times and not e r e?

>>108833852
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ occasionally that happens mister. i hope yall silent hill fans dont waste your money and watch it. sound design wasnt interesting and editing werent good either. acting was bad too >_<

when is shondo gonna play silent hill like her good friend fauna? will she be discussing quantum mechanics in relation to her own mental illness/hallucinations?

great the weirdo witchcraft freak is here >_< gae as frick!
but yeah when is she gonna fricking play the game thats up her ally. does she exclusively wanna do viewerfarm games? like come on Shondo. be true to your character, not true to yourself \>_</

kaz you couldn't be more obvious with your gary larp

>>108834141
witches submit to a higher power because they are too scared to rely on their own abilities and too scared to manifest destiny with their potential. they are no different from a christian praying to god and performing acts to gain his favour. not a witch.

>>108834272
larping as gary is fun

Another thing about the entire money situation is she wants to go private for her healthcare also? She is fast tracking herself to bankruptcy.

Goodnight Shondopolis! ^_^

Kill yourself Gary larper

vr stream when?

>>108824361
What did she say?

>>108828305
>>108828337
Your mistake is giving humans and their faculties too much importance and giving God too little power
You basically presuppose that you're correct and your reasoning is clouded by it
Also you still don't have an answer for the saints as empirical evidence

>>108835982
Judaism emerged as a means of manipulating tribes into committing genocide.

Christianity began as a cult that fought oppression but gradually became another tool for social control at the hands of the very people it stood against.

So, she's not incorrect.

>>108836371
Both incorrect

>>108836118
> Your mistake is giving humans and their faculties too much importance and giving God too little power
God is just a social construct that people invented. Therefore, it is necessarily subordinate to them.

> You basically presuppose that you're correct and your reasoning is clouded by it
No, that's what you're doing. I have already explained, using logic and evidence, that you are wrong.

> Also you still don't have an answer for the saints as empirical evidence
The saint tales aren't empirical evidence, they're just yet more claims from your doctrine; all the "miracles" in them either contradict the empirical evidence, or have no evidence to back them up at all. If I wrote on a napkin, "600 people saw you steal my cookies," that wouldn't prove that you stole my cookies.

>>108836423
>God is just a social construct that people invented.
That's a presupposition
>using logic and evidence
You're presupposing that you're even able to be using logic and reasoning to answer this topic
>The saint tales aren't empirical evidence, they're just yet more claims from your doctrine; all the "miracles" in them either contradict the empirical evidence, or have no evidence to back them up at all. If I wrote on a napkin, "600 people saw you steal my cookies," that wouldn't prove that you stole my cookies.
That's not how the saints are at all lol
The saints are empirical evidence because they lived on earth and people experienced them through their senses, i'm not talking about stories, but about the direct experiences of people
If you don't trust such accounts as genuine on the basis of supernatural elements, then you're once again guilty od presupposing that the supernatural disqualifies any story as reliable or true

>>108836535
> That's a presupposition
It’s actually a hypothesis, not a presupposition, and a successful one with explanatory power. It explains why concepts of God reliably mirror the moral intuitions, social structures, fears, and values of the cultures that hold them, and why those concepts change across time and place. A presupposition is something like what you do: assuming God exists before any argument is made. Saying “God is be a human construction” is the opposite: it’s a provisional claim based on observable patterns in anthropology, psychology, and history of religion.
It really shows how weak your position is when the best you can do is falsely try to reflect your own flaws onto your opposition.

> You're presupposing that you're even able to be using logic and reasoning to answer this topic
Logic and reason aren’t arbitrary assumptions, they’re justified by results. The scientific method builds models of reality that are so accurate they are, for all practical purposes, indistinguishable from reality itself. This isn’t philosophical posturing; it’s a track record of success that continuously self-corrects and improves. By contrast, blind belief has no comparable success rate. It does not reliably generate predictive power, technological control, or convergent agreement across cultures. When belief systems do converge on accurate claims about reality, it’s either by accident or because they’ve adopted a few elements of the scientific method, not because of the faith.
If someone claims that logic and reason only “work” because God exists, they still face a fatal problem: they have no independent way to demonstrate that claim without using the very tools they’re trying to subordinate. Meanwhile, science requires no theological premise to function, it works equally well regardless of the researcher’s beliefs, culture, or religion.
So the asymmetry is decisive: logic earns its authority through demonstrated success; faith-based belief demands authority without evidence. Once you discard methods that work in favor of ones that don’t, you’re left with no reliable basis at all for claiming that your beliefs correspond to reality rather than merely reflect your own presuppositions.

> The saints are empirical evidence because they lived on earth and people experienced them through their senses, i'm not talking about stories, but about the direct experiences of people
Without evidence backing it up, a testimony is no more than just a collection of claims. The experiences of people that can be attested do not justify your claims in any shape or form, as they have no supernatural elements whatsoever.
Human beings across cultures report direct, sensory experiences of saints, spirits, gods, ancestors, demons, UFOs, and past lives (which are often mutually incompatible). The existence of sincere experiences does not validate the metaphysical interpretation attached to them. If Christian saintly experiences count as empirical evidence, then consistency demands that Hindu darshan, Islamic visions, shamanic spirit encounters, and modern alien abduction reports must count as well. You don’t get to selectively upgrade your tradition’s experiences to “empirical” while demoting the rest to delusion.

>If you don't trust such accounts as genuine on the basis of supernatural elements, then you're once again guilty od presupposing that the supernatural disqualifies any story as reliable or true
No, it’s methodological sanity. Extraordinary claims require independent corroboration, not just internal testimony. This isn’t anti-supernatural bias; it’s how we distinguish interpretation from explanation. When multiple cultures independently generate supernatural interpretations that reflect their own values and symbols, the parsimonious explanation is that the interpretive framework is human, even if the testimonies are sincere in people's own minds.

The core issue is why the God Christians experience so reliably embodies their moral priorities, social hierarchies, and existential anxieties. Saints don’t undermine the “idealization” thesis; they reinforce it. Saints are canonized precisely because they exemplify the virtues a community already values. The divine ideal is recognized because it resonates with the believers’ own conception of goodness, not because it descends value-neutral from outside humanity.
Appealing to lived experience doesn’t escape the problem. Experiences still require interpretation, and those interpretations are culturally patterned. Claiming that your supernatural interpretation alone escapes this rule is just special pleading. If God were not, in significant part, a reflection of the believer, we would not see such tight correspondence between theology and human moral psychology across history.