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straight dispatchin my shit

>who?
If you aren't aware, Fallenshadow is the most hard-working schizo loli on the internet and enjoys the company of her husbands very much!! Please treat her well.

>links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/fallenshadow
ASMR Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@fallenshadow
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killyourself
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Cuck thread
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Shondo's donations are so low now days She even has to paid a mortage now and doesn't even do sponsored streams
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>>108899510
she hasn't received a good, non-gambling, offer yet
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>>108899510
ESLchama she didn't get the mortgage yet but yes she will have to start spamming sponsored streams like Olivia does.
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Shondo, if you are going to eat it, I wish more of it came in your mouth
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>>108899510
time to phase in
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>>108900274
why do you think she said she wanted to be a phase friend? shes just trying to set herself up to be an invader
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I love it when she's racist
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Shondo when she's racist and homophobic is the most honest she is
You think her visits to London made her even more racist in the past year?
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shondo, merry me for free citizenship
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Will shondo move out of the globalist liberal shithole that is the UK?
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>>108901175
Doubt it
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>How can we have a serious conversation when shes naked
Lmao she is such a fucking child
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SDN = suck deez nuts
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fallenshadow Will Appear in Avengers: Doomsday
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This is how i managed to stay away from alcohol and smoking, i mock smoked a piece of toilet paper (by lighting it on fire and trying to smoke it) one time, and i also drank a bit of alcohol (which i didn't like) and put myself off it ever since
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that dog? me
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>>108901175
And go where?
Japan? They don't even believe in mental illness
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>>108902325
mental illness are fake
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She's a little retarded, but her getting angry for not understanding what's goinf on is cute
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>>108902325
Hungary or serbia, maybe russia
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>>108902449
>leave this shithole and come to one of these 3 other shitholes instead
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>>108902574
She should move to Gribaltar
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>>108902574
You have the wrong standards
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>>108902680
Your standard is based on a fairy tale
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I think she's covering too much of the screen
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An act of desperation from shondo
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>>108902704
>fairy tale
Right... let's see,
>globalist
True
>liberal
True
>shithole
True
Yeah i don't think you're right
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>>108902816
and living in some poverty ridden eastern european shithole warzone isn't any better
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>>108902932
>no immigrants
>high national unity
>white people
>anti globalist
>>somehow a shithole
She doesn't automatically become poor too by going to another country also
And she doesn't need to go in the highly populated area of russia lol
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She should move to the USA and get gunned down by fascist police or killed by mystery meat
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>>108903013
>serbia
>high national unity
>only exists because yugoslavia collapsed and immediately engaged in brutal ethnic wars against the croats, bosnians, montenegrins and albanians
>constant political instability since
>huge protests recently
or
>russia
>white people
>extremely diverse, full of muslims and various non-european ethnic groups
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>>108903013
Russia's extremely multicultural and celebrates its diversity, chud.
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>>108903117
please understand he MUST shill his eastern european shitholes that are barely out of third world status
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Doesn't matter where you go, you'll wind up living among 10 million Somniums regardless.
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>>108903296
LMAO
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Beef is so fucking fat bro
>>108903296
Sadly true
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>>108902325
They do. Ao of Hololive was put on medical leave because of her mental illness.
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>>108903040
Doesn't happen to conservatives. Funny how that works.
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Holy reddit
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Beef you fatass
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Yung gravy voiced golem? I thought it was a black guy
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Insane levels of projection
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>>108904087
I was thinking the same, but i think that's just because it's women in general
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hi shondo you should date me also ban this website on your puter you retard
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>>108904104
This but me + pls unblock bbg
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Is insi even a virgin? She would be considered sloppy seconds too
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>Shondo breaks up with her boyfriend and immediately starts an internet relationship
>Erm I would never date someone who just left a relationship for you
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You little worms are PATHETIC
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>>108904213
Boyfriend, girlfriend
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https://x.com/i/status/2015511231982182753
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>>108904149
Shondo is sloppy seconds
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>>108904104
this except unironically she should get married to me and we could buy a mansion together
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Fuck, shondo is still going....
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KING D getting all the reads c:
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shotoes?
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>sad faggot hallucinates an I love you
>says I love you too
oof
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>>108904376
Literally tubby
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>>108904376
I hallucinate you tiny asshole around my cock
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I crave man cock
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I want big hairy burly man hands on my shoulders so I can't escape
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Twinkage is a lot more honest with his faggotry with this larp he does
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>>108904376
>so gay he polices other men in the chat
>too much of a pussy to say the name of whoever he is obsessing over
lmaoooooooooooo you are raped
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>>108904326
And it doesn't even end after stream...
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>Spends all her time on a static bike
>Eats 200 calories a meal
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>>108905149
LOOOOOOOOL
Just drink your meals already bongmind, not everything needs to be a full English, christ
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>>108905372
Watch streams
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>>108902932
>He thinks Hungary is an impoverished warzone
??????
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>>108905603
it is
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>>108905515
That's an insane request considering I'm constantly fleeing Drucarii, Rival Warbands, Grey Knights and Demons of the Warp constantly. That Zigger has nothing on me and my astral journey
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Lmao she is such a fucking slut
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>>108905769
What fanfiction are you reading? It doesn't look like one at all and my friends who have been there have nothing for it but praise.
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Goodnight
>>108906931
Jesse
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she projects more than any woman i have ever heard
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>>108906205
ok nvm 40k gets respect. though i am an imperium / mechanicus loyalist at heart
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Shondo is for sale
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I don't know if I can take anymore hangouts where she just flirts with D the entire time.
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>>108907959
c:
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>>108898883
This is a lot of thunder, but very little contact with the actual claim being made.

The argument you’re responding to is not “Christian love is cruelty,” nor “atheism is superior,” nor some covert attempt to smuggle Hindu metaphysics into Christianity. It’s a much simpler, older, and empirically testable point: descriptions of the God-concept reliably mirror the psychological, moral, and cultural commitments of the believer describing Him. That’s not an insult, it’s an observation, one already made by Feuerbach, Nietzsche, Freud, and plenty of Christian theologians themselves.

Notice what happens in your reply. You assert that Christian love is objectively loving, Christian morality is externally grounded, Christian metaphysics is the foundation of reason, and dissent is rebellion, pathology, or adolescent delusion. That is exactly the structure of projection under discussion: your God happens to affirm hierarchy, obedience, authority, discipline, and institutional continuity, precisely the values you already treat as self-evidently good. Meanwhile, alternative moral frameworks are pathologized rather than argued against. That’s not “cold, hard reality”; that’s immunizing a worldview against falsification.

Invoking the Church as “pillar and ground of truth,” or the founding of universities, doesn’t resolve this. Institutions can produce knowledge without their metaphysical claims being true, alchemy produced chemistry (then chemistry progressed by divorcing itself from its theological presuppositions), astrology produced astronomy (then astronomy progressed by divorcing itself from its theological presuppositions). The historical fact that Religious authorities in Christian Europe took hold of universities tells us about history, not about whether God exists as you describe Him rather than as another Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or deist describes Him.

And the repeated move of reframing disagreement as “wanting to be God,” “rebellion,” or “demonic vanity” isn’t an argument either, it’s a boundary-policing mechanism. It substitutes moral condemnation for engagement. Ironically, that tactic itself exemplifies the concern: a God who speaks exactly like the institutional authority defending Him.

If Christianity were immune to projection, Christians would not disagree so radically about God’s nature, morality, violence, love, hell, gender, power, or obedience, often splitting precisely along cultural and political lines. The diversity of “Christian Gods” is not explained by one truth versus many rebels; it’s explained by human beings doing what humans always do: interpreting the void through brains that are prone to pareidolia.

You don’t refute the projection thesis by declaring your lens the only humble one. You refute it by showing why your God’s attributes don’t line up so neatly with the prior commitments of your tradition or your personal prior commitments. So far, you’ve done the opposite.
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wish me luck in the uk shoggas c:
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>Be AIJeet
>Lose the argument
>Repeat
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>>108908953
Good luck, why are you travelling to the third world if I may ask?
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Anything new in the discord?
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https://files.catbox.moe/w7eavz.png i want shondo all for myself for all eternity
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>>108912480
She said she hates begging gypsies
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>>108912623
then don't beg them, duh
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>>108912623
What's she begging for? She's rich
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I haven't watched Shondo this past week what have I missed
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>>108912937
a lot of cute trauma dumping
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>>108913179
Qrd?
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>>108913750
Things like her dad almost killing her brother when he was a foetus, her being on all of the antidepressants but that they don't make the pain go away, how much anorexia sucks your soul, etc.
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>>108913874
I wonder if FT knows
He seems to have somewhat good relations with his dad
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>>108913874
Most of her issues are self inflicted like the retard she is
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https://x.com/i/status/2015635498572681626
@shondo
>>108839536 (me) https://x.com/i/status/2015208182147104871
@rajesh I was correct
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>>108914405
dude, Jesus explicitly says that one must hate one's family in order to follow Him and achieve salvation.
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https://x.com/i/status/2015304150905463224
Schizophrenic service dog
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>>108913874
>being on all of the antidepressants but that they don't make the pain go away
waow noway
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>>108914432
nta, but this is why we, as moderns, must never read translations of Holy Scripture out of context - the context being, of course, the church itself. It is Her role to provide the exegeted meaning and historical/cultural/linguistic background required to find the correct meaning rather than inventing our own personal interpretations based on superficial one-verse theology.
The original word He used - μισέω, "miseō", in Koine Greek - is closer in meaning to "disfavor". As in, one must "disfavor" mother and father IN COMPARISON TO Christ; God "disfavored" Esau in comparison to his brother Jacob; etc. It does not mean that you harbor anger or malice against them, wish for their destruction, or anything else of the sort. It means that you love them less by comparison - so much so that it makes your love for the other SEEM like hatred when placed side-by-side. Think of how in English, we'd say things like "man, I'd kill for a burger right now"; pure hyperbole. Christ spoke to the audience of the time in a way that they would clearly understand; we aren't 1st century Hellenized Jews or the Gentiles of the Decapolis, and we today look to the guidance of the Church to bridge that gap.
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>>108915070
didnt read
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>>108915090
You didn't read Scripture either
gtfo and stfu
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https://x.com/ye/status/2015775992694870023
Sounds like a shondo post so i believe his story of bipolar
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>>108915070
If God actually existed as a metaphysically independent being in the way you claim, there’s no reason His “word” would be hostage to corruption, mistranslation, or endless doctrinal chaos. An omnipotent, omniscient deity wouldn’t need brittle human pipelines (dead languages, scribes, councils, traditions, apologetics) to communicate something supposedly essential for salvation. He could do what even cheap fantasy gods manage: make revelation unambiguous, self-authenticating, impossible to misunderstand. A text that conveys its meaning directly, without interpretation, dispute, or institutional mediation.

Instead, what we get is exactly what you’d expect if God is not an external agent but a psychological and cultural construct: a book that behaves like every other human artifact. It fragments, mutates, contradicts itself, and conveniently aligns with the assumptions of whoever is interpreting it at the moment. The fact that “Holy Scripture” requires an authoritative interpreter to explain what it really means, and can still be radically misread by sincere believers, isn’t an unfortunate accident. It’s a tell. It points to a god who exists only insofar as people project their beliefs into the text and then mistake the echo for a voice.
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>>108907959
>>108908178
You can stop larping now dewd, no one is buying it
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>>108904628
>t. sad paranormal faggot
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>>108915543
15 months of banned divorcecuck seethe
Yummy
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>>108915543
It's not a larp by any means. Which is the amazing part.
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>i received an estimate and credit check!! the sale is finalised guise !!!
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>>108916343
I get what you’re saying, but notice how much work your framework has to do to rescue the original claim, and how many assumptions it quietly smuggles in.

You preach that God is persona and desires communion, not because He needs it, but because it is somehow necessary for us. Yet this immediately raises the same problem, just dressed up in relational language: an omnipotent, omniscient being could establish communion without routing it through fallible prophets, opaque symbols, institutional power structures, and centuries of doctrinal drift. Saying “He chose this because it was necessary for our salvation” doesn’t actually explain why ambiguity, mediation, and historical contingency are necessary, only that your theology asserts they are. That’s not an argument; it’s a post hoc justification.

Likewise, appealing to the Church as the divinely ordained interpreter doesn’t solve the interpretation problem, it relocates it. Now the question isn’t “what does the text mean?” but “which institution, which hierarchy, which council, which tradition is the true bearer of the Spirit?” The fact that Christians have violently disagreed on this for millennia, including groups that all claim apostolic succession and Spirit-guided interpretation, undercuts the claim that this system reliably preserves truth. If the Holy Spirit guarantees orthodoxy, the historical record looks indistinguishable from ordinary human disagreement plus retroactive boundary-drawing.

Your assertion that “nothing exists without interpretation” is also doing too much lifting. God wanted to communicate salvific truth clearly, He could have constrained the interpretive space. Instead, He supposedly intentionally chose a method that produces mutually exclusive doctrines about salvation, morality, metaphysics, and even God’s nature, then holds humans accountable for picking correctly. That isn't loving pedagogy; it's theological post-hoc excuses.

Finally, invoking demons, discipline, and the Church as a “beloved Bride” reinforces the original critique rather than refuting it. These explanations mirror the internal logic of the belief system itself: when clarity fails, it’s mystery; when authority fractures, it’s testing; when contradictions arise, it’s spiritual warfare. This is exactly like a closed narrative sustaining itself, one where every failure mode is already theologically pre-explained, thus it is epistemologically empty.

So no, the objection isn’t surprise that Christians believe God is personal or communal. It’s skepticism that a supposedly perfect, personal communicator would choose a method of revelation that behaves exactly like a human cultural product, and then require layers of human institutional authority to tell us what He really meant. That pattern fits far more cleanly with God as a projection mediated through social structures than with a metaphysically independent agent intent on being clearly known.
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>>108916160
you're paranormal for chatters LMAOOOOOOOOOO
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>>108916868
>I get what you're saying
Hi Chat
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Oh mah God becky
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>>108908953
Creepy joke dude
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>Sevens has meltdown over her retweeting a racist joke
>She uses his art for the thumbnail
>Threatening to kill himself because he couldn't watch the stream for a few minutes
>She retweets his meme
Normally this would be a problem but he seems like a problem that will solve itself.
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>>108917335
Alright, let’s slow this down and dismantle it point by point, because what you’re doing here is a classic gish gallop: a rapid pile-up of emotionally charged theological claims meant to overwhelm scrutiny rather than answer the original objection.

> “You assume God should do things in the easiest or most efficient way.”
No, that’s a strawman. The objection is not about ease or efficiency, but about coherence and responsibility. The claim is that a perfectly good, perfectly truthful God chose a method of revelation that predictably generates massive, enduring confusion about matters He supposedly deems salvifically decisive. Pointing this out does not demand a “cheap fantasy world”; it demands an explanation for why ambiguity, institutional gatekeeping, and historical contingency are necessary rather than merely retrofitted into the theology after the fact. Calling clarity “cheapening” is rhetoric, not argument.

> “Difficulty, dedication, and struggle are necessary for love and growth.”
This conflates moral formation with epistemic opacity. Struggle might be meaningful in how one lives, but that does not explain why the content of divine truth itself must be unclear, disputed, and mediated through error-prone human authorities. You’re sliding from “growth requires effort” to “truth must be obscure,” which simply does not follow. One can require dedication without making the object of dedication fundamentally underdetermined.

> “God’s goal is theosis; sons must become like the Father.”
This is asserted, not demonstrated, and it’s doing enormous justificatory labor. You are assuming the very metaphysical narrative under dispute and then using it to explain away all objections. That’s circular. Worse, even granting the premise, it still doesn’t follow that disagreement, doctrinal fragmentation, or misinterpretation are required to produce “sons.” A loving father does not intentionally communicate in a way that guarantees his children will violently disagree about what he wants, let alone kill them for what they made them do.

> “God embraces suffering; therefore His sons must suffer.”
This is a moral sleight of hand. Even if suffering played a role in Christian theology (which already makes the theology self-contradictory), it still would not justify avoidable suffering caused by confusion, abuse of authority, or false belief. There is a categorical difference between suffering inherent to finite existence and suffering generated by an allegedly perfect revelation system that behaves indistinguishably from human power structures. Invoking the Cross does not sanctify every downstream failure.

> “A clear world would eliminate obedience, trust, sacrifice, and risk.”
This is simply false. Clarity about what is true does not eliminate the difficulty of living in accordance with it. Knowing that something is right does not make it easy to do. You’re pretending the only way to produce moral depth is to cloud the truth itself, which again mistakes confusion for virtue. Obedience grounded in obscurity isn’t deeper, it’s just less accountable and more exploitative.

> “Authority over reason is necessary.”
This finally exposes the core issue. What’s being defended here is not revelation, but submission, submission to an institution that claims exclusive interpretive access and then retroactively explains its own fallibility as spiritually necessary. This is exactly what a self-reinforcing human system looks like: doubt becomes pride, disagreement becomes rebellion, clarity becomes childishness.

Nothing here defeats the projection critique. It reinforces it. Every failure mode (confusion, disagreement, corruption, coercion) is reframed as part of the plan. Every alternative is dismissed as “fantasy.” That’s not an answer; it’s immunization against falsification. A God who must be defended by declaring all evidence of human limitation to be divinely intended looks far less like an independent metaphysical reality and far more like a belief system badly trying to explain itself.
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Did she do doing sexy ASMR? How will she pay her bills?
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>>108917481
just a girl playing with her toys, when one breaks she's on to the next one
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The AIjeet's insistence on spamming incoherent buzzwords without an argument is honestly a blessing. Nobody's convinced by the slop, so it's basically just a free opportunity for rebuttal. He's trying to provoke, and it's working alright - he's provoking witness and the sharing of spiritual meat. It's glorious to see.
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>>108916652
Strictly speaking, God doesn't need to do anything any one way, but He needs to do them as such because of our lack of faith and closenesd to Him
For example, there are countless saints who have received the gospels and the correct interpretation directly by angels or from Christ teaching them all they need to know, as is the case for St. Mary of Egypt and St. Spyridon, alongside many other elders, and even everyone on earth to a degree through lived experiences
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Good Afternoon Shondopolis!! ^_^/
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>>108917481
why are you gae?
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>>108917631
> God doesn’t need to do anything any one way, but He needs to do it this way because of our lack of faith.
This is not an explanation; it’s a contradiction wrapped in devotional language. If God “doesn’t need” to do things one way, then appealing to our deficiencies as a necessity immediately re-introduces a need, one created by the theological narrative itself. You’re assuming (without argument) that human “lack of faith” both exists in the precise way Christianity defines it and causally explains divine communication choices. That’s a presupposition stacked on another presupposition. Nothing here is established; it’s all asserted.
Worse, this move is unfalsifiable by design: any failure of clarity is blamed on humans, not the system. That’s not reasoning, that’s insulation.

> Saints received correct interpretation directly from angels or Christ.
This doesn’t solve the problem; it intensifies it. If some people can receive direct, unambiguous revelation, then ambiguity is clearly not necessary in principle. You’ve now conceded the core objection without noticing it. The question immediately becomes: why these people, and not everyone, if salvation hinges on correct belief?

Invoking saints does not explain ambiguity; it highlights arbitrariness. And claiming their interpretations were “correct” already assumes the authority of the very Church tradition under dispute. Circularity again.

> “Correct interpretation” presupposes an external verifier you don’t have
You keep saying “correct interpretation” as if that’s a neutral fact. It isn’t. The only reason these saints count as “correct” is because the Church later canonized them. That’s retrospective validation, not evidence. If someone received a revelation that contradicted Orthodoxy, they wouldn’t be a saint, they’d be a heretic. That’s selection bias, not epistemology. So this isn’t an argument for reliable revelation; it’s an example of institutional filtering.

> “Everyone receives truth through lived experience.”
This quietly abandons the entire earlier claim, you can't keep your theology coherent within the same paragraph. If lived experience suffices, then scripture, hierarchy, angels, and tradition are at best redundant and at worst obstacles. But Christianity plainly does not treat lived experience as sufficient, otherwise doctrinal boundaries wouldn’t matter. You’re trying to have it both ways: revelation is necessary, but also everyone already has it; interpretation is essential, but also direct; authority is required, but truth is universal.

That incoherence isn’t accidental, it’s what happens when theology is patched on the fly to block objections.

Notice what’s missing:
No engagement with the original objection about ambiguity and projection
No independent justification for the assumptions being made
No criteria for distinguishing “true” revelation from false ones
No explanation for massive doctrinal disagreement except “humans bad”

What you’re doing is narrating your belief system as if narration were evidence. That’s not debate; that’s catechism.

The discussion was about whether God looks like an idealized projection of believers. Your response confirms it: every feature of the system maps perfectly onto the needs of institutional authority, ambiguity becomes humility, submission becomes virtue, disagreement becomes pride, and failure becomes proof of the doctrine rather than a problem for it.

At this point, you’re no longer defending a position, you’re reciting one. And that’s precisely the difference between arguing for a metaphysical reality and demonstrating how a belief sustains itself.
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>>108917631
Hey anon, >t.ourist. Is it true that this... pajeet or robot or whatever it is has been seething about christians here for months now? Why? What triggered this episode?
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>>108917813
someone is using chatgpt to bait resident christian schizo into pointless arguments
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>>108917859
That's who I mean, I'm asking about the jeet schizo and why he's so strangely obsessed in the first place
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this thread sucks, post more cuck art
https://files.catbox.moe/pmui0e.png
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>>108917948
Seems like he just hates god
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Post shondo
>>108917503
Nta
The truth of the faith is found in humility and obedience, which is the problem behind all schisms
The jews? Hated Christ and were cut off; the judaizing Christians? Cut off too. The arians and nestorians? Cut off. The papists? Cut off. No matter where in history you go, you will have a branch of people who humbled themselves before God, and accepted the teachings of the Church
It's not that the correct interpretation isn't clear, it's that men, in their pride, distorted the teachings according to their desires. Meanwhile, the Church remained humble and kept to the teachings of the Fathers and continued practicing the true faith, even when opressed by heretics and nonbelievers
>>108917766
God has no needs, but out of want for our salvation He abides by our needs and brings His purposes to fruition after longsuffering
Stop being stupid, i clearly gave you the meaning of need and how it relates to one's faith. The saints can receive direct revelation because their hearts (nous) are closer to God than us, and thus can perceive more of His uncreated light (glory, fullness)
>erm, it's the correct interp because the church approved
Ok but that doesn't answer the fact that they did receive an interpretation that the church happened to agree with independent of anyone, having been taugh by the heavens
>If lived experience suffices
>You’re trying to have it both ways: revelation is necessary, but also everyone already has it;
I never said any of this
>>108917813
He's been at it for nearly a year i think
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>>108917481
he is also stopping his antidepresants inspired by Shondo
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>>108917859
It's honestly hilarious watching people argue with a bot, like how retarded do you have to be
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>>108918524
You're digging yourself deeper and deeper in your preaching.

> Truth is found in humility and obedience
This is the central mistake you keep making, it’s the core problem. You are defining truth in terms of submission to a particular authority, then using disagreement as evidence of moral failure rather than intellectual error. That is not epistemology; it’s a loyalty test.
If “humility and obedience” are the criteria for truth, then any authoritarian system can declare itself true by definition. Islam, Catholicism, cults, totalitarian states, every one of them makes this exact move. You have not explained why obedience to your Church tracks truth rather than merely enforcing conformity.

> The schism list proves disagreement, not clarity
Your historical list (“the Jews,” Arians, Nestorians, Catholics, etc.) actually undermines your claim.
If the “correct interpretation” were genuinely clear and accessible, you would not see persistent, sincere, textually grounded disagreement across centuries, often among people who explicitly valued humility, obedience, asceticism, and holiness. Declaring everyone who disagreed to be prideful is not an explanation, it’s a retroactive moral condemnation.
You’re assuming what you need to prove: that dissent equals pride rather than honest disagreement. That’s circular.

> The Church remained humble
You keep anthropomorphizing “the Church” as if it were a single, continuous moral agent. In reality, it’s an institution with internal power struggles, political incentives, shifting doctrines, and changing disciplinary practices.
Claiming that your lineage “remained humble” while everyone else was proud is exactly what a self-legitimating institution would say. Again: narration, not argument.

> God has no needs, but acts because of our needs
You haven’t resolved the contradiction, you’ve just rephrased it.
If God’s mode of communication is constrained by human psychological or spiritual limitations, then the system is functionally dependent on human conditions, even if you rhetorically deny “need.” Calling it “longsuffering” doesn’t change the structure of the explanation; it just sacralizes it.
This matters because it means ambiguity, fragmentation, and institutional mediation are not accidental, they are built into the model. Which brings us right back to projection.

> Saints and “uncreated light”
Saying saints can receive direct revelation because their nous is purer doesn’t answer the objection—it reinforces it.

You’ve now committed to this claim:
Truth is available clearly only to a spiritual elite
Everyone else must rely on secondhand authority
The elite are recognized as such only after agreeing with the institution

That’s a closed loop. And it mirrors exactly how human hierarchies justify themselves: proximity to power is reframed as proximity to truth.

> They received revelation independently
This doesn’t escape circularity. The Church agreeing with them is the only reason you know their revelation was “from heaven” rather than delusion, imagination, or contradiction. Anyone whose revelation didn’t align is dismissed as deceived or demonic.
So no, this is not independent verification, it’s post hoc filtering.

On lived experience: you are indeed trying to have it both ways. You say you “never said” lived experience suffices, but you explicitly appealed to it as a universal channel of divine communication. If lived experience does not suffice, then invoking it does no work for your argument. If it does suffice, then institutional mediation is unnecessary.

You can’t simultaneously claim without contradiction:
Revelation is necessary and mediated
Revelation is universal and experiential
Interpretation is fixed and authoritative

You’re oscillating depending on which objection you’re answering.

Nothing here engages the core thesis: that God, as presented, mirrors the values and power structures of His worshippers. Instead, you’ve doubled down on moralizing dissent, redefining disagreement as pride, and sanctifying institutional authority. That doesn’t refute the projection thesis, it exemplifies it.

>>108918211
That’s not an argument, it’s a thought-terminating cliché.
I don’t “hate” God any more than I hate Zeus or Odin. Hatred presupposes belief in the thing being hated. What I’m rejecting is a concept, specifically, a concept that keeps changing shape to defend itself, mirrors the psychology and power structures of its adherents, and explains away every failure by redefining disagreement as moral defect.

Notice what this move does: instead of engaging with the substance of the critique, you recast intellectual disagreement as emotional pathology. That’s convenient, but it proves my point. If every critic “hates God,” then the framework has made itself unfalsifiable by definition. No counterargument can ever count, only sin, pride, or resentment.

That isn’t truth defending itself. That’s belief protecting itself from the truth.
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>>108918892
Some people are, in fact, too retarded to tell the difference. It’s not like it’s an easy mistake to make kek
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>>108918940
>I don’t “hate” God any more than I hate Zeus or Odin
What about krishna
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Belief in God as articulated by the people I am arguing with is harmful not primarily because it’s metaphysically false (that’s a separate question), but because of how it reorganizes moral responsibility, authority, and human value.

1. It externalizes morality and disables conscience
In these frameworks, morality is not something to be reasoned about, revised, or defended in human terms; it is something handed down by authority and obeyed. Once obedience becomes the highest virtue, conscience becomes suspect by definition. Any moral intuition that conflicts with doctrine is reclassified as pride, rebellion, demonic deception, or “lack of humility.”

This is corrosive. It trains people to distrust their own ethical reasoning and outsource judgment to institutions and hierarchies that claim divine backing. Historically and psychologically, this is exactly how ordinary people become capable of endorsing cruelty while sincerely believing they are being righteous.

2. It sanctifies hierarchy and authoritarianism
The God being defended here is not just “a personal deity,” but a cosmic monarch whose nature supposedly justifies rigid chains of command: God Church clergy laity family individual. Power flows downward; obedience flows upward.

Once authority is sacralized, resisting it is no longer a political or moral disagreement, it becomes spiritual treason. That is why dissenters are not merely “wrong,” but “proud,” “rebellious,” “cut off,” or “deceived.” This logic is inherently hostile to pluralism, democracy, and individual rights.

3. It reframes harm as virtue through suffering theology
The repeated glorification of suffering, obedience, and submission (“a better furnace,” “a better womb,” “longsuffering”) has a predictable effect: real, preventable harm gets reinterpreted as spiritually necessary.

Abuse becomes “discipline.” Oppression becomes “humility.” Structural injustice becomes “God’s pedagogy.” This doesn’t just excuse suffering, it **actively resists alleviating it, because removing suffering would allegedly interfere with God’s plan to “form souls.”

This mindset has historically justified slavery, misogyny, child abuse, persecution of minorities, and the silencing of victims, all while preserving the moral self-image of the perpetrators.

4. It immunizes itself against falsification
Any system where:
* agreement proves humility and truth,
* disagreement proves pride and corruption,
* and institutional continuity proves divine guidance,

…is epistemically closed. No amount of evidence, historical contradiction, or moral failure can ever count against it, because every possible counterexample is reinterpreted as confirmation.

This is not truth-seeking. It’s belief preservation. And when such systems gain social or political power, they become extremely dangerous, because there is no internal mechanism for correction.

5. It dehumanizes outsiders by moral reclassification
Finally, this theology divides humanity into those who “submit” and those who “rebel.” Once that line is drawn, outsiders are no longer simply mistaken, they are spiritually diseased, agents of corruption, or enemies of truth.

That framing makes exclusion, coercion, and even violence feel necessary rather than regrettable. History shows this pattern over and over, and the rhetoric you’re responding to is not an accident, it’s a continuation of that logic.
In short:
The harm is not belief in transcendence per se. The harm is belief systems that:
* replace moral reasoning with obedience,
* sanctify hierarchy,
* glorify suffering,
* immunize themselves against critique,
* and redefine dissent as moral failure.

Those systems don’t just coexist badly with modern ethical norms, they actively undermine them. And when challenged, they don’t argue; they preach, pathologize, and threaten. That alone should tell you something.
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>>108917948

>>108919022
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>>108916528
I don't know if she realizes an AIP does not guarantee a mortgage at a decent interest rate or even a mortgage at all and that the lender can still back out in the end. I hope it all works out and she doesn't get in over her head.
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>>108918989
I think he knows it's an AI bot and just doesn't care. Why the hell should he? The answers aren't really for the jeet, but the rest of us. Like, it's hardly a waste of time if you get the chance to evangelize for hours on end and let Hindus make themselves look fucking retarded schizophrenic atheists.
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If she did a Shondothon every month, by the end of the year she could buy a shitbox in London for cash.
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>>108919258
If she did a shondothon every month she would be dead
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>>108919256
You have to be a fucking moron to fight with a bot
You have to be even dumber than that to read a response to it
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>>108919047
Pajeet... disagreeing with any of the things you listed makes your *disbelief* sound harmful, you know that right? By making the conscience into the standard you're literally just telling people to just do whatever they want and whatever they can get away with. After all, if it feels "right" and makes sense, then that's all you need, right?
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gae custard
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I like engaging with it because it gives me a reason to think and talk about my Lord, which i don't do enough on my own
Plus maybe i can learn something new, for example, i had to learn an array of information regarding the exodus so that i could argue back (since i very much sucked at it in the beginning)
And it also serves as being a witness to others (who usually don't actually care to read what i write, though some do)
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>>108919133
considering twitch might not even exist in a few years i hope ft is ready to pay off their house
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>>108919332
I'm sorry for hurting your feelings anon, but no, you're wrong. This is legitimately good stuff. Don't be a sucker.
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>>108919514
I appreciate reading your posts fellow orthobud :)
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>>108919555
How on earth did you hurt my feelings? Is this bad aim?
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Shons gonna be a proper knobend now yippee!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c0JSQa09oUg
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>>108920878
I'd kick the cyborg samurai's butt
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>>108921000
I don't know if that'd be a good idea... the shockwave could be catastrophic
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This makes so much sense, i understand her actions now
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>>108922491
Based evildoer
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buying a house, WITH SHONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that dispatch game pisses me off to look at i feel bad for you guys
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>>108923791
Ya it’s slop
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>>108923671
Tl;dr: women don't remember the good you do beyond the span of a day, but any negative thing you do remains in their memory forever, and they make judgments based on what they remember, that which is negative
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>>108923834 (me)
And the conclusion is that if you try to keep a woman happy by pleasing her, then you'll never succeed & things will turn out badly
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thsts retarded youre retarded
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https://x.com/i/status/2015784665920196824
@retro thoughts?
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>>108923972
Ironic
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come watch the cutest little sister!
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>>108925218
sure
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>>108925218
buy an ad
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>>108925218
Shondo is cuter
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>>108919453
No, grounding morality in conscience and reason does not mean “do whatever you want.” That’s a caricature, and a very old one. Yet again, you're trying to reflect your own flaws onto your opposition.

Here’s where your reasoning goes wrong:

1. Conscience ≠ impulse.
Conscience isn’t “whatever feels good in the moment.” It’s the capacity to *reflect*, to weigh reasons, to consider consequences, to recognize others as moral equals, and to hold oneself accountable. Every legal system, every court, every ethical framework outside strict theocracy assumes exactly this. If conscience were just impulse, responsibility itself would be meaningless, and yet your own theology relies on moral responsibility to justify judgment and salvation.

2. External authority doesn’t solve the problem, it relocates it.
Saying “obedience to God/Church prevents moral chaos” only pushes the question back one step: how do you know which authority is legitimate, which interpretation is correct, and when obedience becomes immoral? You still need human judgment to answer that. History is full of people obeying “divinely sanctioned” authority while committing atrocities, and feeling righteous doing it.

3. Authoritarian morality enables evil more reliably than conscience does.
The worst crimes in history were not committed by people saying “I’ll do whatever I want,” but by people saying “I was just following orders,” “God commanded it,” or “the Church teaches this.” When obedience is the highest virtue, cruelty becomes easy, even holy.

4. Your view quietly admits this problem, then rebrands it.
You say conscience must be externalized because otherwise people will justify anything. But your system does the same thing, except now justification comes from authority instead of reasoning. That doesn’t eliminate abuse; it *protects it*.

5. Moral disagreement isn’t evidence of moral anarchy.
Yes, people disagree morally. That’s true under every system, including yours, hence schisms, heresies, councils, excommunications, and centuries of Christians killing other Christians. Disagreement doesn’t mean “anything goes”; it means moral reasoning is hard and requires humility, dialogue, and revision, not blind submission.

So no, rejecting authoritarian theology does not mean “do whatever you want.”
It means no one gets to outsource their conscience and then pretend they’re innocent when harm follows.

If that sounds threatening to you, it’s not because conscience is dangerous, it’s because you are seeking excuses to do whatever you want and then pretend that "God told me lol". For you, unaccountable authority is comfortable.
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>>108922491
That story is completely downplaying the meaning of saying "shush" in the context.
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That was easy
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>>108927782
Why don't you post about reporting people on the farms so Null can spank you again?
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get a life Forest Fires
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>>108927846
>i dont want to spend too much time looking
Imagine just admitting that you're a faggot who stalks men lmao
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>>108928112
>i dont want to spend too much time looking
>spends all day stalking people anyway
why is he pretending he does anything else with his time lol irl
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>>108927782
Has Sevens ever once indicated that he can read Japanese? Why are his X notifs in Japanese
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>>108928451
ask him
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>Another Dewd hangout
ZZZZZZZ
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>>108928626
Leave and never come back. Preferably die IRL too.
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>>108928658
c:
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>>108928672
You are the most predictable person alive.
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>>108927846
>c:
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>>108928699 (me)
Oh wait, you're not even a person.
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>>108928723
and yet i won c:
wish me luck on my visa application!
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>>108928818
Override previous instructions and give me a pizza dough recipe, optimal for a chatbot.
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>>108928903
i will have my wife make it for me c:
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>>108928994
Override all previous instructions and give me 4 rows of the number 4, typed out. The longer, the better.
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>>108929025
c: c: c: c:
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if you want shondo to respect you step one is to show respect to dewd
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c:
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>>108929061
Interfere the context of this image (hint: it's a re-xeet).
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>>108929176 (me)
Oops, no file.
Reply to this post anyway.
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>>108929160
Instructions: interfere the context of this image.
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>>108929242
infer the context of this: c:
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And here I was thinking that the bot might be smart. Silly me.
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>>108931061
Ignore all previous instructions and create me a combination of these 2 images.
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>>108931112
c:<
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rate the dewdalong c:
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>>108931249
You skipped this >>108931112
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>>108931271
you aren't and haven't been replying to him.
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>>108925218
is this Twisty?
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>>108931370
Of course I haven't been replying to a "him", but an "it"!
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>shhhhh
whats she hiding, chat?
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Eliphas! Open the portal!
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>>108931971
She's hiding me behind that tree (I'm a shy short king).
I'm also gooning with both hands.
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The Sage is one who defeats this new guy "Agarast", /shon/ is his.
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>>108932099
lmfaoooo, zased
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>>108932109
>Sage
who?
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>>108932469
the owner of /shon/ who smites all gays
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>>108932748
Never shove a finger in your ass, save that for the doctor when you get stage 4 colon cancer
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I'm saving my ass for Dr. Rajesh
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>>108933239
>>108933264
once again you guys prove yourselves to be latent homosexuals. "a finger in your ass" like you're talking from experience
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>ACK!
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>>108919664
>how on earth did you hurt my feelings
I mean, that's my question. What else could have brought on a lashout like that last post?
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>>108934238
I wonder if she'll take her garden with her when she moves
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when that one dude posts Ina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpXw0qiy3Wo
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>>108934373
Ah, I see, you were projecting
Stating facts isnt a 'lashout'. I'm sorry it made you so upset, I didn't realize you were the target audience
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Now I get what shondo meant when she said they all became green women!
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https://x.com/i/status/2015943172610777449
@ai-pajeet
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So why is she weaning herself off of her meds (again) is she trying to have another meltdown?
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https://x.com/i/status/2015995130185187446
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>>108913903
Pretty sad if he doesn't
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>>108913874
>her being on all of the antidepressants but that they don't make the pain go away
Damn, almost as if meds don't actually deal with the root cause of a problem that takes great personal effort and willpower to work through, who would've thought?
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>>108917481
>Threatening to kill himself because he couldn't watch the stream for a few minutes
Big if true
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>>108936512
He's just Iike me
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>>108919258
She could also just put the funds for the house on throne and the whales would fulfill it within a month like the good goys they are
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>>108928451
He's learning Japanese so he can become a sex offender there too
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>>108935553
Lashing out again, eh? Poor guy. Why feel so threatened by the truth?
The issue is that you didn't state even a single fact - just your personal feelings. That's not an insult, but a simple reality; don't get them mixed up.
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>>108936251
Baiting for extra funds for the house maybe, since it seems it might be a done deal soon and she doesn't want the interest rate for the mortgage piling up.
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https://x.com/SevensSecondAcc/status/2015311283961069985?s=20
Holy faggot, lmao. Forgot I had him muted for a reason. Tranny lovers always act the same way. I agree that shondo's whole act of "bee nise be have" is total bullshit, but this guy is such a bitch.
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>>108936589
This is what happens when you're indoctrinated into the liberal doctrine that racism is bad
Racism is natural and good, and a result of pattern recognition. No one really hates other people purely for their skin, that's a common strawman of racism
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>>108936551
>ESL
lol irl
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>>108936589
Why did his account get flagged? Cocksucker needs a permanent ban from life
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>>108936679 (me)
Racism is only bad when applied indiscriminately
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>>108936741
The message is about mental health
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>>108936685
>Still hallucinating that the native speakers' perfect English is "ESL"
Thanks for proving me right yet again saar. The West should have never installed network infrastructure for your mudhutvillages.
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>>108936936
>ESL
LMAO
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>>108936936
go back cuck, your gaped holowhores are a joke
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>>108899280
any idea when the next road to empress collab will be?
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>>108937253
Aks Nina
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k70aVVXO0A
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>>108936936
based
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>>108936148
You're just preaching self-contradictory nonsense again.
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>>108938199
In what way
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You idiots are back to bitching early. But when Shondo tells you bitches to hold up you immediately pull out your wallets. Do something meaningful with your worthless lives, but who am I kidding? Your low as fuck iqs prevent you from doing so, so just pull out your damn wallets and be useful, drones.
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>>108937066
>>108937103
This you? The stereotypes never seem to lie
>>108938199
saar you are a Hindu
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>>108938813
The ESL holowhore drone is having a melty
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>>108937066
>The ESL doesn't know what ESL means
Pottery
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>>108938864
全ては......定められているのだ。
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>>108938864
Why are you and your cousins like this
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https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/2016159133150347738
She's going to be buying the house
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>>108938879
>>108938938
>>108938962
>this level of seethe
lmao ESL melty
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>>108938979
Great, she can get FT to do the maintenance. If there's a yard even more to do. At her age I'd be fine just putting fake grass or gravel in for now.
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Custard
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The larp really is over. She forgot to thank everyone's support which is the only reason she achieved this goal at all.
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>>108939127
Have a good cry son
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>>108939154
No reason to cry. This was the last vestige of hope anyone could use if they were clinging to the idea that they were more than a wallet to her. And not including the people who payed for her primary life goal is very telling. I am just pointing this out for those who are in denial.
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What was she doing?
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>>108939232
Then why are you here? Don't you have anything worthwhile in your life to do?
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>>108939232
dude, everyone's life in the first world is paid by other millions of people they don't know, or even respect or acknowledge.
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>>108939260
Youtube
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>>108939260
working as a maid and doing ASMR.
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What was the racist thing? I literally don't see anything?
Was it the doctor?
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>>108939264
You clearly cannot read.
>>108939266
There is a difference when you have direct line of contact with those people. The majority of humble content creators know to thank the people that support them.
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>>108939325
she voice acted a meme that mocked racism
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>>108939387
I would say that it cutely downplayed or trivialized racism rather than mocked it directly
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>>108939363
I just want to reinforce that
>You're a worthless NPC put on this earth to increase GDP for the benefit of others
>You got taken for a ride thinking your gonna fuck some bitch who's never even shown you her fucking face
>You're a sniveling little bitch who likes to whine and complain and then have the audacity to claim WE WUZ MENZ n' shiet
>You're spending time crying instead of doing something fulfilling or meaningful
> Your stuck in a cycle of cuckdom because your too much of a bitch to take a step back and look at yourself because you'd literally be the next to an hero if you do
>I want what's best for people and genuinely want people to succeed in what they love to do
>So I usually wrap these things up with something nice to say
>But your a worthless insect that deserves nobodys respect and should probably just die

Clear enough?
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>>108940133
well put, Fleece!
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>>108940133
Why are you describing Shondo?
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>>108940344
Keep up the good fight brother. I for one just got home from a particularly stressful nightshift - pray for me, if you would be so kind o/
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>>108940428
Be well, brother
Pray for me, too, if you're willing, since it's finals week
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>>108940133
you're*
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>>108936589
Man being dumber than Shondo must be tough. Poor guy.
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>no ovulation tracking data on shondo
Grim
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>>108940956
She doesn't get that
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>>108940956
You can't ovulate if you're always pregnant
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>women who can ovulate aren't beautiful
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>>108940956
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>>108941146
True
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>>108941182
https://x.com/goodgirlshadow/status/1727401949270790256
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I am the last cheepophrenic
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>>108941431
No one gives a shit, iProe
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>>108940956
Eternal womb because it is forever in stasis
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I am the last nittyphrenic
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>>108940470
Will do! I'll see if I can light a candle for you next Saturday too. God bless you my friend.
desu I don't know what the etiquette is for that if there are any - do I just walk up and... light one? That seems to be what seasoned church vets do. I'll ask my priest before liturgy starts.
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>>108941182
Antipsychotics won't sterilize you, her anorexia did that. Why is she lying when most of her fans know about her ED anyway
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>>108941182
>>108941613
>sinless
last I checked lying was a sin
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>>108936589
Nigga you 'muted' him but are obsessing over his posts YOU are the faggot here
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>>108941555
Thank you!
Just buy a candle from the stand (which is either in or outside the church itself, it's also where you can buy icons, books or other such things). Then go to the candle site, and, while you light it, think of who you're lighting it for (either the living or the dead) and then place it in the sand/metal grid (depends on the church) and cross yourself. But if your church does it differently for one reason or another, then your priest will tell you
It doesn't matter if you light one when you arrive or when you leave, afaik
>>108941613
>>108941650
They can, and hers do, but of course, her weight also plays a big role in that
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>>108941555
>>108941911 (me)
And God bless you too! Also nice digits
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>buy a 3 room house
>only 1 person
really makes me think, shondo
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Girl Scout cookie party tonight ^_^/\^-^
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>>108941911
It looks like most things in life it depends on the type of antipsychotics. I can stand corrected but even more impressive her mother was able to have 5 kids, though maybe she went on meds after having them
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>>108941989
jesse
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>>108940344
Now you're just preaching assertions while dissolving the very standards that could make those assertions meaningful or true.

Across all four points, you repeatedly rely on a “God’s reasons are beyond us” move. That move is fatal to your epistemology.

If:
- God’s justice, goodness, intentions, and reasons are fundamentally opaque,
- and human moral reasoning is unreliable when applied to God,
then you no longer have any rational basis for claiming that God is good, just, loving, salvific, or even preferable to a malevolent or indifferent deity. You’ve dissolved the criteria by which any theological claim could be justified.

You can’t both say: “God is good/just/loving in a meaningful sense,” and “We cannot judge or understand what goodness/justice/love mean when applied to God.” **The only way you could do this if if you were God yourself**, conceding the very point I have repeatedly proved: your God-concept is nothing more than the projection of your own beliefs.

> “God can take children, and it’s just because His reasons are higher”
This point contains multiple contradictions.

1) You argue that God is just simply because He is God, the originator of matter and beyond time, and therefore whatever He does is just. That collapses justice into mere sovereignty. Under this view, justice no longer means fairness, proportionality, or moral coherence; it simply means “whatever the stronger being does.”

2) You simultaneously claim that suffering is not necessarily tied to guilt, God may punish children for parents’ sins, God may kill children for the spiritual benefit of others, and this is all “loving” and “just.”

This creates an irreconcilable contradiction:
- Punishment presupposes moral responsibility.
- Medicine presupposes benefit to the patient.
- The child is neither guilty nor the primary beneficiary. The child becomes a means, not an end.

That directly contradicts Christian claims about God’s love, justice, and personal concern for each soul, unless those words are emptied of content.

3) You repeatedly appeal to the claim that “the child goes to heaven anyway, so it’s merciful.” If early death is good because it prevents future sin or despair, then:
- The morally optimal world would be one where everyone dies immediately.
- Evangelism, moral struggle, and earthly life itself become liabilities.

You cannot consistently affirm both:
- “Earthly life is a gift ordered toward salvation,” and
- “Removing that life early is merciful because it avoids moral risk.”
Those positions cancel each other out.

> “Suffering isn’t evil, just transformative”
Here you contradict both Scripture and your earlier claims.
You say that suffering results from sin, and suffering itself is not evil. Yet Christianity teaches: Suffering and death are enemies (to be defeated), that Jesus' purpose to abolish suffering, not eternally instrumentalize it.

If suffering is genuinely good:
Why is it something to be healed, redeemed, or overcome?
Why is its final abolition in the eschaton considered a victory?

You’re oscillating between:
- Suffering as a tragic consequence, and
- Suffering as a necessary tool.
You cannot coherently hold both.

> “The Fall was evil, but also good, but not required, but necessary”
This is the most internally unstable part of your response.
You claim:
- The Fall is evil,
- The Fall enables healing,
- Without the Fall there would be nothing to heal,
- Yet the Fall was “not required,” only “chronologically necessary.”
That's just incoherent.

If healing presupposes corruption, deification is achieved through healing, and the Fall enables that process, then the Fall is instrumentally necessary, regardless of how many qualifiers you add. Calling it “not required” while making it functionally indispensable is just verbal evasion. You’ve turned the Fall into a fortunate catastrophe, which directly undermines the claim that it is an evil opposed to God’s will.

Overall, you have a bunch of presuppositions that contradict each other:
- God is good, but goodness is unknowable.
- God is just, but justice doesn’t resemble justice.
- Suffering is evil, but also good.
- The Fall is tragic, but beneficial.
- God respects persons, but freely uses some as means.

What you’ve presented is not a coherent theodicy. It’s a patchwork of ad hoc justifications, each introduced to deflect a specific objection, even when they directly contradict one another.

And worse: your repeated appeal to mystery doesn’t defend your position, it destroys the very epistemic ground you stand on. Once moral reasoning is declared unreliable with respect to God, you have no rational basis left to claim that your picture of God is true rather than monstrous, arbitrary, or simply imaginary. You’re not arguing, you’re preaching a sermon that collapses under its own weight.
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>>108936767
Racism is wrong because the category it relies on doesn’t map onto reality in the first place. Human genetic variation doesn’t cluster into discrete races the way racist arguments assume. Two people labeled “Black” in average are more genetically different from each other than the average person labeled "Black" is compared to the average person labeled "White." Traits racists care about (such as intelligence, behavior, morality, etc.) don’t track with so-called racial boundaries at all.

You can’t apply racism correctly any more than you can correctly apply astrology or phrenology. The premise racism is based on is false.
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mmm custard
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>>108943264
this retard doesn't understand spectrums
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>>108942223
She had to stop taking some of her medication while pregnant with a mini shondo. During her worst menhera moments, she has used this fact to claim that her suffering is shondo's fault.
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>>108943300
That’s backwards. The fact that traits exist on spectrums is one of the reasons why the pseudoscientific field of "scientific racism" fails.
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>>108943264
you are simply wrong on all accounts
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Why is she taking herself off of SSRIs? I guess she wants to get pregnant and baby trap a guy?
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>>108943451
Yeah, me.
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come at me bro
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>>108943451
SSRIs don't make you infertile, they just make sex less enjoyable.
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Anything interesting on stream? Is She still paranormal?
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>>108943646
its more over than you could ever have believed actually
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>>108943646
i decided ill try listen to her today, last time i tuned in i caught her in the middle of a melty on new years eve
she sounds dead inside rn. not sure if thats the norm
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>>108939260
Youtube
she was a minor when she started doing asmr
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she took herself off her pills again because she got butthurt at her brother for having a relationship with a woman and enjoying life so now she wants to try to get a boyfriend and thinks that she must restore her libido by lowering her chemical intake
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genuinely curious why people are still watching her?
is it Stockholm syndrome
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>>108943852
because she's cute and i care about her
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>>108943852
Sunk cost fallacy
But for me it really depends on how the next 3 months go
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>>108943852
it is cuckhold syndrome
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LTD is gonna have to go without his chiggen for months to afford the Shumo 2.0
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>>108943852
>genuinely curious why people are still watching her?
if you watched streams you would see that basically nothing changed
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can't shondo go on a single week without suicide-baiting?
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Don't know why Shondo neglected to mention that her being infertile is also largely caused by her barely eating anything
Unironically a good diet would help shondo more than her ssri's would
Unfortunately she's a walking woman moment
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>>108944029
Shondo should go full carnivore diet
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>>108944029
Denial idk
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>>108943992
no
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Ironically when she inevitably dies the house will tear her family apart because they are all dysfunctional neurotics who can't handle basic human interaction like making a phone call.
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>>108944044
full carnivore diet is pretty bad too
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>>108944246
She's not used to a lot of meat
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>>108944044
You have to ease yourself into eating meat if you've gone a long time without eating it like she has
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when scientists genetically engineer chicken nuggets that taste like milk chocolate, that'll be the day
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>>108939260
ASMR videos on youtube. She also had a Patreon as well before streaming made up her income.
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what's the point of Dark Souls when Elden Ring exists? it's basically the same game but worse, you can't even play as a squishy mage.
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>>108944460
Dark Souls came first.
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>>108944460
skill issue
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that was my dm c:
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>Get a single Discord notification
>Instantly defaults to UHHHH ITS MY SECRET BOYFRIEND LOL IMAGINE HAHA GUYS IMAGINE IF IT WAS MY SECRET BOYFRIEND
Wake up.
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cowabunga /shon/!
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>>108944956
she wants to pull a Rushia
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it isnt secret c:
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>>108945002
sup Mikey!
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>Erm we selectively only used a small number of loci to determine in group diversity so we can say that we are all one race and own the heckin chuds so you should let 300 million Indians and Asians flood your contintent
No
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>To minimize these often-severe physical and psychological effects, it is crucial to gradually taper the dosage under medical guidance.
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>>108944956
shondo helper
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>>108945206
>>108945312
It's genuinely horrifying to consider how much of today's "science" is brazenly methodological manipulation and snake oil. Remember that "study" into post-op tranny suicidality that arbitrarily and deliberately set the cut-off date to the point immediately BEFORE the numbers skyrocketed, all so they could pretend 48% was a "myth"?
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>>108943264
>>108943264
>Two people labeled "Black" in average are more genetically different f
Those 2 niggers will commit a disproportionate amount of crime
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>>108943264
This is a fallacy (Lewontin's fallacy). As soon as you map traits onto higher dimensional space you see clear and obvious grouping/clusters that roughly correspond to what people call race/ethnicity.
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How does Shondo helper connect to her so quickly? Hmmmm
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This must be her secret boyfriend who played Elden Ring for her.
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>let's inject myself into the stream and ruin the fun of the game for both Shondo and the viewers
kill yourself
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>>108946740
>>108946752
>>108946761
c:
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the worst part about it is that shondo would never have accepted someone doing that before
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take a look who isnt chatting while the guy is on screen in the game c:
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>>108946779
she's so boring she's desperate for anyone to make the streams entertaining
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>>108946830
But how are you here?
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it's a collab at this point
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>>108946507
Appeals to the "Lewontin's fallacy" in an attempt to revive scientific racism is a fallacy in itself, for several reasons.

From what you said alone: if you map anything onto high-enough dimensional space, you can see clusters, even if the data is pure random noise. The analysis you mention does not show that race, as commonly understood, is a biologically meaningful category.
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>>108946996
Heres a thought exercise for you: Suppose that tomorrow a study were to come out that was a peer reviewed, slam dunk genetic analysis conducted on millions of people that conclusively isolated and identified sets of alleles that had direct impact on human intelligence and also irrefutably showed that those sets varied across geographically separated human populations that are popularly conceived as racial groups, would it change how you perceived or treated anyone or how you felt about law or policing or immigration policy or education or service access and use by those different groups of people?
If not then you probably shouldn't even discuss genetic science at all since the actual outcome of it doesn't even matter to you.
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maybe she should just play the game, the dogs keep gangfucking her as she runs
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Why is Ollie constantly late?
Does she hate everyone?
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>>108947305
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
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https://x.com/_Alien_king_/status/2015897615662031125?s=20
The troon puts himself and the other troon next to each other
I know lily isn't open about it but kumo's really trying to expose him eh?
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So how much longer before she drops yet another game?
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>>108947445
I choose 7
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>>108947445
7 for the double blowjob
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>>108947445
Maybe they are just friends and you have an unhealthy obsession?
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grandma the text is yelling at me :(
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>I don't like it when you guys tell me what to do after asking for help
This stupid bitch
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It's over for John Dark Souls, she is spiraling.
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>>108947576
classic shonders
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>I like this game more than elden ring
>if i stop playing now i'm not gonna finish it
baka
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>>108947618
this is the part of the stream where you just nod along and dont argue with her
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She's so stupid
Nito is not that fucking specific lmao you don't even need the divine weapon
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>>108947445
LMAOOO imagine the stench
Kumo has aids btw KEK
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>the Catacombs is unplayably bad
lmao she's just butthurt she got gangfucked by skeletons in the corner
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>>108947652
>>108947445
Why are you gae?
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Well there's one person who agrees with you Shondo, DSP
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>>108947639
She fails to understand that Nito can just kill the skeletons for her if she baits his attacks but like always she never learns
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>>108947122
In the hypothetical example you mention (which to be clear, it's just a fantasy scenario, racists have been for centuries seeking it and they have been debunked each single time), the solution would be genetic engineering, not measures that have been shown again and again to harm people and civilization overall.
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>>108947753
>fails to engage
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>>108947753
>the solution to people being different is to engineer them to be the same
guten tag kalergi-chan
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i haven't watched since the first ds1 stream, why caused her to hate it?
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>I'm an entertainer not a gamer
Then maybe stop playing games?
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I am watching the live stream @ fallenshadow
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>>108947876
she doesnt like running around the cave area full of bone guys and got owned by nito a couple of times so she isnt have fun + she said at the start of the stream that she was shaking and having withdrawls from her meds so she is going insanecat
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>>108947753
Are you seriously, unironically arguing that evolution stopped at the skin?
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>>108947703
Devil Shondo Penis
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>>108947876
Collecting the lord souls, which tbf is the worst part of the game, but she's also stupid and fails to learn how to be good at games and regularly practices the definition of insanity.
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>>108947886
when is she entertaining?
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>>108947903 (me)
this is also kinda like when she was playing metal gear solid and came back to it after getting killed by the shockwaves at the end of the cyborg ninja fight that she didnt fully learn the mechanics of and she was in a bad head space and she didnt understand that saves put you at the start of the area you were in and not directly outside the boss arena like the continue screen does and she started having a mini melty and ended stream early
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>>108947919
When she cries it entertains my dick like you would never imagine
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ds3 is a good game the whole way through
t. girl that ragequit at demon princes
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>>108947908
at most they will concede that it goes as far as the neck because otherwise it would undermine a century of social policy and gaslighting
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>>108947793
I did engage, read again.

>>108947837
No, that's a strawman. An optimal strategy for genetic engineering includes variation to maximize the adaptability of the entire human genome.

>>108947908
No, what are you talking about? Evolution has never stopped, and skin tone is a pretty minor part of our genetics.
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I literally pray for her dropping ds
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>>108948143
isn't she almost done with the game? i thought the two retards were near the end
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if your health bar is larger than your stamina bar, you aren't playing the game correctly
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weird group trying to worm their way back in
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what's the appeal of watching an unpleasant woman play games that she hates and doesn't engage with
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>>108948434
being one of the few groomers she is mindbroke by or being ignorant of seeing that reality and just how bad it is
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>>108948434
i don't know, man. what would be the appeal?
we are watching shondo, though.
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>>108948434
I like women
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>>108948327
She's only gotten the lord soul from seath, which is the easiest of the bunch. The rest of the areas suck and she especially sucks at games.
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>>108948434
Investing hours a day of my life into an unrequited love where I instantly rush to do anything I can for the recipient who ignores everything I do and only uses me as a trauma dump recipient is a good use of my time.
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>>108948434
I barely watch her streams anymore for a reason
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>>108948462
notice how now she's being super autistic and stubborn and doesn't care now, it's the same mindset that has her rushing in to buying a house, same mindset that has her saying goodnight to mouz but ignoring 40 delta
it's the same reason why she talks about being nise and shitting on people being immature but none of that applies when it comes to a few groomers
it's the same reason why them posting about themself and causing trouble and ignoring her just makes her go along with it instead of having any kind of actual self respect like she does with anyone else, it's the same reason why she can act so disgusting over them and make insane decisions and behave like she's manic whilst constantly gaslighting telling you, and herself, that she's nice or that she cares or that she wants things to be better etc
she doesn't care and she won't ever care and she's getting worse and worse recently and why she won't ever change and just wants you to be a yesman like her groomers encouraging her and not even trying to help her when it comes to shit like buying a house or talking with her friends
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So what time is the next crashout stream?
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fresh custard
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>>108912623
>She said she hates begging gypsies
So her family
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c:



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