https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz_ThZ_2CxM
Exactly, glad we're finally on the same page
>>108959415Watch as they all praise this.
>>108959415Subaru really needs that Sololive.
>>108959415I guess no one is going to say this is a clique event and how they’re excluding other Holos like 7dtd.
>>108959974Or Christmas party.
>>108959415That's a funny way of saying it was always real but a false flag attempt since they already admitted the exclusionary clique was real from the beginning but just said they were the "good guys".
>>108959415>implying suisei is not part of the clique
>>108959415Sankisei project but now with 3 faction members to promote unity. Pekora is a sellout. Only Korone is trustworthy.
It's interesting that Pekora's group always includes people who will boost her numbers (to the routine exclusion of her one failed genmate) but the evil clique included numbers poison like Lui.
>>108960126>Korone hates all her friendsThis has always been the weirdest angle. The mask slipped with you freaks a long time ago that you only pretend to like Korone because you think she's graduating next.
>>108960126Where the FUCK is Korone, I miss her
>>108960167https://x.com/inugamikorone/status/2016023619990913040https://x.com/inugamikorone/status/2016357615706767637soon
>>108959494That's how it always is. Fubuki did that AI drawing collab with two separate groups before including Miko. But once Miko was included, let the shitposting begin
>>108959415So this is the management clique huh
>>108959506Finally someone who gets it.
>>108959415Subaru, Miko, Fubuki were given ultimatum by management taro takayuki and hayashi to join pehoera's event so pehora can get big numbers, and were told to isolate Miko or they'll be fired. lmao pathetic leechora
>>108960510It's really disingenous how you are pretending the slimy ones in that scenario aren't Subaru, Mio and Fubuki. I have more respect over girls who graduate for mistreatment than encourage it to continue.
>>108960631we already saw other holos who've been forced to collab with pekhora before just do pekhora can take advantage off them and get big numbers, the only one who's at fault is pekhora and her management husbands
>>108960741just so*off of them*
>>108959415Management faction
>>108959415you try that with literally every collab you see, retarded sister
>>108960126>to promote unity.no miko = no unity
Isn't the cliques thing started from JP schizos and only them took it seriously
>>108959415The clique leader was always Fubuki. Miko is just not worth keeping anymore, so they pivoted into a pro-Pekora policy.
>>108961987calling haachama a jp schizo is technically correct but insensitive nonetheless.
>>108962024It's been a thing long before her melty though
>>108959415What, are you all mad Kiara isn’t in this? All of JP is in the same clique, they’re all friends.
>>108961987The only ones who take it seriously are the Holomems themselves, calling them schizo may be accurate but it's a little harsh.
>>108960050Suisei got her statue in the Cover office, over JP's actual number one Marine, over Kobo who is suppose to be ID's Gura and go next. Just saying.
>>108962024Haachama is more creditable than Bari, who admitted to being a jealous menhara. If the dramatubers are taking Bari's word than it would be retarded to gaslight Haachama, who isn't the first to mention favoritism and being left out.
>>108962144Gura got the first life-size statue in Hololive. Is she part of the clique?
>>108962229Is there a hole down there?
>>108962144So now you're arguing Suisei is higher-ranked in Pekora's clique than Marine? I mean I guess that's possible.
>>108962812Anon, PekoMarine was always a one-sided love story
>>108962212The problem in Haachama's case is that's not what she said at all. Only retards who want to rape her corpse pretend that's what she said. Her explanations of both the favoritism and the feeling isolated prove that she is primarly responsible for those things (due in large part to her mental illness). Which is unfortunate but not something anyone else can fix for her.
>ignores the rest of sankisei
>>108962812Suisei is the actual fucking leader, dipshit
>>108959974The clique rrats are all started by nousagis. Anything with pekora in it will never be called a clique event.
>>108963310If Kobo not getting a statue is part of your proof then you're retarded. Those statues are sold as expensive scale figures, an ID is not fucking getting one.
>>108962912Not invited to the country club, tale as old as time.
>>108962144Me when I go on the internet and tell lies.
>>108963310And Pekora and Marine are her top henchmen? Like what's the fucking schizoid angle here?
>>108965054If you want the sane version>Holo's management tends to aggressively promote their most successful talent>this has a self-reinforcing effect, as promotion matters>for this reason, you often see the same faces togetherThat's not exactly a conspiracy theory now, is it
>>108965220And yet they routinely discard Miko and favor less popular talents.
>>108959415>terraria after dragon MC>not even a box gamehope Pekroa, the queen of clique kills herself
The clique spammers are some of the most retarded people here.
>>108959415The cliques aren't the apartheid, you retard. Of course they will collab for minor shit (like this, which is a normal ass game collab with nothing special but they made a logo to make it look bigger) or for very sporadic things since the whole hololive thing is to convince you they're all people you should care about and using the bigger box to get lots of viewers in specific streams.The cliques are two contained different groups of buddies who collab and meet between each other often, and they compete for getting the biggest success and more favor from management.Although between both groups they don't get along at all and both heads are schizo numberfags who hate each other, which is why the whole issue is a thing; they're not going to reject all invitations and insult each other in public.
These fanfics are getting out of hand
>>108965513What are you even talking about.>concerts>sponsorships>promoted collabs>seasonal events>etcAre you seriously going to compare her level of promotion to Roboco, Matsuri, Choco, Flare, the entirety of HoloX, or any individual in a side branch except Gura.... come on. I'm not saying Miko doesn't deserve her success. But management 'routinely discarding Miko' is absolutely delusional. She's one of the most visible and promoted talents in the company.
>>108959415The next full size statue will be Subaru and Noel. Management clique is stronk.
>>108968103Miko made Hololive, full stop. She deserves anything she points at or suggests to do. That she isn't front and center all the time is a travesty.
>>108959415..
>>108969102Not true in any sense either. Sora got them on their feet and after that was an ensemble effort for years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKor7LnZf7YAre you some kind of falseflagger to make 35p look bad, or just a schizo? Because you still haven't said anything you can defend.
>>108969509Subs are literally irrelevant.
>>108969555Miko herself said how rough her start was. Are you going to say she's lying now too? You can't even connect what she's said herself to real life.
>>108969509Sora did some work in the beginning, but that hardly matters in what Hololive is today. Nobody that isn't living on nostalgia would claim that the soul of hololive is kept safe by Miko. She is the only one that matters.
>>108959415Crazy concept: People do things together with people they like
>>108969721That's referring the times before she was part of hololive, retard. Even hololive was basically dead back then. It only started to thrive after Miko joined and every achievement since then has been thanks to her.
>>108969727Other way around, Hololive today got many popular talent that you can remove Miko or any talent and there are many others capable to hold the ship unless there is mass graduation or huge scandal meanwhile Sora is the only one that's isn't literal who back then, this isn't nostalgia but it's the fact, aside from Miko which everyone knows she was a total failure, you can check gen 1, gen 2 and gamers number during their first year
>>108969810You're a numberfag propping an IP and not a fan of the person. You don't know the first thing about her. Or maybe you are a falseflagger. You realise I'm defending *her* against *you*?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXCU5QDG90Q>>108969727I kind of wonder if Hololive has a soul anymore. That NYE stream was just depressing to watch. Not Miko's fault, but she can't save the company either. Ultimately, she's still just talent.
>>108969946But I'm the anti-numberfag. Miko is the top talent who carries the brand on her back.
>>108969968You're talking about "who's on top", which is nothing but numbers bullshit. Not her content, not her real history, not her as a real person with her imperfections and failures and struggles. You're ultimately a fake fan. So who the fuck cares what you say? Maybe you don't even like her, and you just find her a useful club to wield to anti other chuubas, including her closest friends.
>>108969920Lmao, you could fire every single other talent and bring in new blood under Miko, and she would still carry the ship to glory. She's the only one that matters.
>>108970116You could also fire Miko and Hololive would be fine. They're like Blizzard at this point, it's a shambling corpse but it's grown so big they won't die easily. They can survive on sponsorships with other companies to the point where the talent matters less and less. If anything makes Miko leave, I think it's going to be that she can't really take how shitty the internal environment gets. Hololive can survive any departure at this point. It's a production machine, not a family.
>>108970255Without Miko it crumbles into dust within months.
>>108970278Rumao, now you're genuinely retarded or just a falseflagger pretending to be retarded which is still retarded
>>108970278It wouldn't crumble to dust but it would be a bigger blow than people think it would be. Not only for morale, but for overall trust in the company. Not to mention the monetary loss of losing one of your biggest merch pushers and most membered vtuber that gets a ton of big name sponsors.
>>108970278They'll keep the Sakura Miko IP and turn her into a HoloEarth mascot, you'll keep cheering for her "success" because ultimately you suck management cock and don't give a fuck about her as a real person. Otherwise you'd actually know something about her that doesn't fit your narrative that's completely detached from reality. Honestly, you disgust me anon. And you're not truly a fan.
>>108970421Isn't this happening already.
>>108970439If miko graduated of her own will Hololive would suffer a massive blow that it would struggle to recover from. If she graduated against her will Hololive would crumble within months. If she was fired Hololive and Cover would burn.
>>108970570What part? Trust in the company on the fan side is close to rock bottom, but if they couldn't even protect their biggest streamer then it would crater on the talent side as well. Morale is definitely taking a hit now since nobody can collab with Miko without being attacked.
What a retarded thread. Clique-fags deserve the rope
>>108965220The first two points are fine. The last one,>for this reason, you often see the same faces togetherIs a stretch. In the vast majority of cases you see the same faces together because they work well together, have good chemistry, like similar things, and are (and I know this is impossible according to some people but I'm going to say it anyway) friends. And this, too, has a self-reinforcing effect: you're much more likely to reach out to people you know well than to people you don't. And this isn't even mentioning how prolificness plays a factor; if you have 40 people and 20 of them stream once a week and 20 of them stream every day, the latter half is going to have way more overlap than the former. Suggesting management is pulling the strings to all this and it isn't just a natural result of the talents doing what they like is, quite literally, a conspiracy theory.
>>108971307Hololive isn't a group of friends. It's a subdivision of a for-profit corporation. Have you read anything from the corporate wing of Cover?https://coveredge.cover-corp.com/en/list/1537
>>108971518>this company is a company>therefore none of its employees can be friendsOkay retard.
>>108971733Reductio ad absurdum. Do you think the production department doesn't plan projects? Choosing or approving which members do certain content, and how that content is promoted, is going to be a part of that. But by all means, argue the opposite. Best of luck
>>108972032The company will plan some projects. The company doesn't plan every project. You can see this by how often the talents openly talk about the subject, I wanted to do this, I asked management if we can do that, and so on. When Miko said she wanted to do a big GTA collab and six months later they did a big GTA collab and Miko and Suisei spoke extensively about planning for and organising their big GTA collab do you think all of that was just them lying? Mio's 7DTD collab? Lamb Vegas? Do you actually believe that the production teams who organise big stage concerts and live events are also micro-managing every talent's weekly schedule like overbearing mothers? Has it not ever occurred to you that, perhaps, when the production teams organise the big live events or sponsorships or things they're actually involved in, that the talent relationships might play a factor in who they choose? Even if you're a fucking garbage collector your supervisor will consider who gets along with each other when deciding who gets put into the same shifts. That isn't the company dictating who can spend time together, that's a company factoring it in after the workers establish it between themselves.You're a fucking moron.
>>108973075>Do you actually believe that the production teams who organise big stage concerts and live events are also micro-managing every talent's weekly schedule like overbearing mothers?There's a span of control. Larger projects probably get approved by the senior management of the production wing. Smaller projects will have oversight from individual managers, and yes they are micromanaged. Nene spoke about this and others have talked about needing to "train" their managers who frequently rotate out. Using the 3D studio for anything in between is probably subject to scheduling and priorities as it's a limited resource. Official promotion and things like sponsorships, tie-ins and tour slots, likewise are a limited resource. No, they don't plan and control *every* project. But they high-visibility, high impact ones are certainly going through management, and they're thinking about return on investment. Which probably means they'll be leaning into their most established talent. It's a business, anon. You'd be a "fucking moron" if you didn't recognize that.
>>108973602>probably>probably>probablyThat's a whole lot of words to reach the conclusion that you made it the fuck up. I'll make this even more simple for you, if your idea that the groups are more management-driven than talent-driven is true, how do you explain PekoMiko? They fell out, so they stopped working together. If management was pulling the strings they would have made them keep the act going. But that didn't happen because you're talking shit.
>>108973913More successful talent = more leverage. And nothing is perfect. Cover can only attempt to control their talent, which is why there's also graduation and terminations. Anyways. You seem more emotional than inquisitive. That's a (you) problem. You didn't change my mind. Not everything is a 'probably'.>Nene said that her manager would basically force her into meetings about her metrics and told her that she's not doing enough to grow and what she was currently doing wasn't good enough. Told her being just an idol isn't good enough and that she should broaden her audience by appealing to the FPS crowd.https://warosu.org/vt/thread/96663552#p96676765
>>108974051And not once did she say anything about management dictating who she should or could collab with, making it completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. >You seem more emotional than inquisitiveI'm not inquisitive. I know how the world works. You clearly do not. Companies don't dictate to their employees what their relationships should look like, that is a waste of time and money (unless if they're getting ESG kickbacks but that's a whole other tangent). Instead they adapt to the relationships that employees form amongst themselves. This is true of every company in every sector that has ever succeeded for all of known human history, whether it's looking at who is going to be on the same cleaning rotation or which talents are going to be part of a sponsored stream. You are simply ignorant to how humans operate.
>another schizo thread
>>108974275You talked about micromanagement. Obviously some managers are quite involved with the normal activities of the talent.>how things workDidn't you pay attention to Kanata's graduation? She couldn't hire an outside manager, there's a lot of other shit too ('tasks outside her scope of responsibilities', heavy NDA, etc). Honestly I don't even know what you think you're defending at this point. It's not a fucking free for all, is it? Cover's management is anything but hands-off and I guarantee you they pay attention to metrics and where they dedicate their resources. You'd be a fool to think otherwise. Are you?
>>108974510Fuck off, schizo
>>108974714You tried
It's really funny how it's gonna be a "faction" when either Pekora or Miko involved, but when non of them are involved, It's not gonna be mentioned ever. at the end of the day, that shit is just another PekoVSMiko Bullshit.
>>108959415Cliques are inevitable. The only thing you can do is to create your own friend groups, instead of trying to shoehorn yourself into existing ones.
>>108977599No, it's always clique and faction if it's involving Miko for those antis, but never clique and faction if it's involving pekhora, literally see the OP lol never when pehora involved in it
>>108980577true
>>108970639>Trust in the company on the fan side is close to rock bottomIt's hilarious how retards here genuinely believe this. Well, what do you expect from /vt/?This shithole is already an echo chamber for brownoids.
>>108959415True
>>108959506Koyori really needs that sololive*Expect it soon now that she got close to the pink bitch.
>>108984577but enough about rabbit leech lmao
>>108982870Do you think that trust in the company is not record low after all the yabs and many graduations for the past years? lmao
Is this thread just two nijisisters arguing about whos who in hololive? I completely forgot who the fuck bari was and was thinking it was some jp dramafag like the rushia guy. You're telling me that these countless 35p vs nousagi shitpost threads are just nijisisters?
>>108987528i think it's just schizos, they think they're fans though
>>10895941553cucky deflection thread.
>>108987528>>108987554>you're not a holofan if you're not a nousagiHolo would be a better company without pekora. Practically all antis are nousagis attacking other holomem fanbases.
Time to clean it up janny, the poor idiot pissed the entire floor.
>>108960128Kill yourself 53pagpag, The ARK event with Akirose and Pekora got cancelled because of your pink leech.
>>108987528Yeah these are 100% organic and totally not nijisisters shitting up the catalog
>>108969102That worthless leech was a 3 view for years, she didn't do shit. Pekora propped her ass more than anything, and Aqua and Fubuki were the ones carrying Hololive.
>>108988194>YearsRetard. Pekoleech was nothing without Miko. She only pulled ahead once Miko went on hiatus. Everyone benefited of Miko's GTA clips while she was away. And then when she came back she about her like the plague to leech the newly implemented Indonesian branch. And Miko proved she didn't need her jealous ass once from that point on. MiComet has done more for Miko than Pekoleech could ever do for her. Chinese propped up both Aqua and Fubiki as well. But once the Taiwan yab happened that fell out of relevance and Miko surpassed them both by having a bigger global fanbase. Facts motherfucker.
>>108988952*She avoided her like the plague
>>108988952You owned that faggot
>>108988113Wants to talk about all the events the blue leech stole from other Holomem? Yeah didn't think so jackass.
This fucker is so pissed his samefagging is too obvious. No wonder 35p hate him, no fanbase want to have trash like him.
>>108959415This is just the saddest kind of speculation lol. It's 3rd gen minus Flare since she doesn't like these kinds of games, and she didn't play the last series. Add SENPAITACHI minus Ayame because Ayame doesn't like much more than FPS at this point. Clique faggots are the worst.
>>108989851Wow I've never seen word replacement on this site before. I typed f ams instead of senpaitachi lol
>>108989878I thought that specific filter was gone for a while.
>>108988194>she held on for years and finally made it>instead of celebrating, we fling shit at her out of jealousyyou make me sick
>>108968103>concerts>pluralPekora>sponsorshipsPekora, just look at how many promotional streams she did last year. Including Goddess Order collab which died in 2 weeks since launch lol.>promoted collabsFucking when? It took a week for them to promote Sushiro collab. >seasonal eventsRemind me again who's the one in last year's Holosummer MV? Despite not joining the Holosummer Singing Relay? Despite not joining the Holosummer VRChat thing because of "my setup is not working suddenly teehee, but be sure to tune in to PekoMari taisou in 2 days! It will be fixed by then">etcWhat else?
Why is this fucker so hellbent on warring? Shit shit is sadder than a dog with distemper.
>>108962912Of course she did. She is such a bad person, nobody likes hanging out with her because all she does is make insane demands of other people
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>>108960126Watch her go on a collab with Pekora as soon as she comes back. They are really trying to sell her right now that it's getting really obnoxious. I only watch Mio and even still couldn't avoid it that bitter after taste.
>>108988952>>108993981>>109003342>Broken english>PhoneposterLooks like the /vt/number ape that only visits the number and Miko threads is breaking containment again. Why are Miko's fans always so brown?
>>109003487>broken englishOh come on nousagi, you have your favorite buzzword for that. Why are you trying so hard not to use it. Because you're being called out? Just say it loud and clear like a proud toxic nousagi that you are, ESL ESL ESL ESL. A broken recorder of a grammar nazi lost in time.
>>108959415Now that shit is just vile. They're doing it on purpose now. Cover really making the clique rrat grow rather than quell it, huh.
>>109009290>Forcing 3rd gen to collab with the clique will make the rrat growI think you should go for a quick brain damage check up
>>108968103Miko is not even in the top five of Hololive even after Gura left and she gets waaay more promotion and use of Cover resources even over those above her. Imagine getting Ina kicked out of myth set, imagine getting Tokyo ambassador twice in a row.
This garbage should have been deleted for a while, and the fake 35p deserves to be rangebanned for his disrupting and shameful behavior, that kind of deranged stupidity shouldn't be tolerated in any place. Clean this putrid garbage.
>>109012227Miko is the top 1 holo in live viewers, average CCV, watch hours etc. all Gura got was dead subs no one watched her lol. Also Miko didn't become Tokyo Ambassadors twice retard, it's a continuous title until they got the next line of ambassadors. For example Godzilla was a Tokyo tourism ambassador for 7/8 years.
>>109012227Miko is top 1 in the world Nousagis are retarded just like pekora
>>108959415I realized I want to drive the queen of clique, Pekora to sucide
>>108959415nothing will beat the sankisei terraria run before they traveled to england.maybe im jaded, but adding in fubuki/mio/subaru just ruins the dynamic of Sankisei.
>>109013917Now, now, that's reductive. Gura had a lot of dead subs AND a very respectable CCV. At the same time.
qrd?
>>109003487>>109012227Dumb fuck Noufagi. All though saying dumb fuck when referring to a Noufagi is quite redundant.
>>109023024You are a retard, simply as that
>>109023242hey now ignorance isnt the same thing as retarded
>>108959415terminate pehoera and her management clique
>>108959415They should keep doing it. More and more people are finally realizing the whole agenda of these spiel and it's only been the first month of the year. It's painting them in a bad light.
