This could be hinting at a new Gen or a new Unit within Jp skin to Dev_Is. By the looks of the timeframe it could mean that the announcement could be coming at the last quarter of this year. Thoughts?
the website deliberately said this audition is for people who don't like the idolshit, nice. holo is becoming more like niji.
>>109003446Translate this retard
>>109003446So Basically Hololive.....Gamers? kekekekeke
>>109003446Not really It's just Nijisanji's VTA without the free singing and dancing lessons. Even down the same same wording of no guarantee of getting into holo or other agencies.
I'm not seeing how this is can turn out to be a good thing.>Debut a new subunit like DEV_ISDid they not see how DEV_IS struggled in its first year? They turn out to functionally be gen 7 with a branding debuff and would've done better debuting as gen 7 in the first place.>Debut something non-holo, maybe mixed-gender or male vtuber stuff.Incur the wrath of the rest of the holo fanbase>Debut a new format of flesh/avatar hybrids, or some other gimmick that involves the fleshy appearingIncur the wrath of the jp vtubing fanbase, plus the holo fanbase.
How about you stop fucking over the talents so much none of them have the energy or motivation to stream on the EN side?
>>109004266I like the concept of it becoming a non Idol unit for Hololive. That will be Interesting since alot of Jp fans are screaming to have a seperate division which focus only on gaming or streaming alone. But this will cause a rift between Idol purists and Normies. Personally I want to see this push through as Dev_Is was succesful in the end so I want cover to challenge themselves
>>109004409Dude those whores are just Laziest simple as.
>>109004409Skill issue. My EN oshi has been keeping her presence up and around consistently.
sigh
Announcement of a new gen and the thread is this dead lmao, this board is fucked
>>109004266Meh the new JP branch turned out fine, both gens are all doing well and only having 1 member leave so far is good retention. Sure there was some doubt early on, but once the girls showcased their talents then people started to recognize them.
it's like the Niji Academy
I guess Cover didn't learn their lesson from DEVIS, creating these new branches instead of just debuting a new main JP gen is retarded and confusing for fans.
Looks like cover is going to step on a rake again lol
>>109002760It's just an attempt to make an "academy" of sorts, like Niji VTA because they have exhausted the talent well i guess. They're probably trying to look for more stability in the long term because most of the talents will be gone in the next 10 years (don't @me, many of them are over 5 years into this with most of their dreams realized and plenty of them are in their mid to late thirties already, your oshi is not going to be streaming while being 45 years old)
>>109004797>your oshi is not going to be streaming while being 45 years oldCorrect. By that age she will be married (to me) and have five children (all from me)
>>109004682>bottom of the row streaming numbers despite continuous shilling for years>thinks it's a success
>>109002760>Cover absolutely refuses to compromise with Fauna over mandatory trips to Japan for concert recordings>Decides the very next year to release new gens that don't need to do idol concertsHoly shit it does feel like management only makes changes to Hololive after they have a graduation.
I don’t get why they don’t just build off Gamers, not only are those 4 members some of the top streamers in Hololive but it’s such a wasted opportunity/potential to not grow it by getting more girls who’s focus is more on games. Wouldn’t even really need to get into vspo territory by hiring competitive gamers or anything, but just girls who actually stream game shit frequently and still do music/idol stuff on the side. Idk maybe it’s another clique thing in Hololive, where of course probably Fubuki who didint even start in Gamers wants it to stay as just them 4 with no newcomers
>>109004866>Easily filled their concertLooks like a success to me, and while I'm at that>bottom of the row streaming numbersUntrue
>>109004866Devis is a success, both gens get pretty good numbers. Ao was the runt of hers but with her gone the rest of them are doing well, and the 2nd gen is all well too with Riona being the original runt but she had a massive turnaround after their 3D debut
>>109004914This makes too much sense. They'll never do it.
>>109004067>free singing and dancing lessonsonly retard niggers are left on this boardThey don't get free training. All that you see on a talent's channel was paid by the talent.
>>109004907One of their requirements for this is also living in Japan, so yeah looks like they are making sure new talents aren’t gonna have the same complaints lol
>>109002760>Lets Create the everyday everyone lovesthey’ll be spamming minecraft/nintendo games post-debut
>>109004939 (Me)Forgot picrel
>>109004914Well there were those 2 girls several years ago that had their designs shown, and people assumed they were gonna be part of Gamers since it was just 2 of them. But they never debuted and Gamers still hasn’t expanded for some reason, like I get Hololive wants to focus on idol stuff but even many current members still prioritize streaming over music stuff. Like Pekora and Miko stream every day and don’t put out music too often, but then you have the other end with ones like Marine and Suisei who don’t stream too often but do make covers and original music regularly.
>>109005003anon... this is literally the big blurb on niji's audition page and has been the feature of vta since 2021.
>>109004425>A future entire gen that won't be joining fest because of different structureKek, I bet they will revert it back to normal gen just like what they did with DEV_IS
>>109004907>Decides the very next year to release new gens that don't need to do idol concerts>new gensThey literally said that not only this isn't a new gen, but passing the audition doesn't guarantee you would get to join Hololive either
>>109004986Surprised that even after going public they still haven’t expanded Gamers, maybe they think it would be hard to find people who primarily just stream games but would still be ok doing idol stuff as well. Or maybe they feel like it would be encroaching on vspo’s niche or whatever
>>109005169Like I get the idea that Gamers is treated as a specific gen at this point, but it doesn't have to be.
>VTA>One of nijianji's worst failures>LET'S COPY ITNigga why is coverment so fucking retarded.... how about.... investing more money into your money makers?? :D or how about..... cutting down bureucracy???? OR HOW ABOUT DOING AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION TO FIND THE LEAKER INSTEAD OF MAKING THE TALENTS NOT ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS WITHOUT GETTING FIRED?????????
What was the Niji academy even like, just a training program to get potential people to become future talents? I mean I guess it’s something that makes sense, training people so they hopefully won’t get into drama and know how to stream and shit. But Hololive has been seemingly raw dogging it just fine, with some talents barely knowing how to use obs or creating thumbnails at the start. But I think that adds a lot of genuineness, compared to debuting someone who’s been groomed essentially for the role, and it’s not like Niji has debuted any notable people who took part of their program either. This just seems like yet another waste of time/money/resources etc for Cover lol. Instead of focusing on why so many talents have left so quickly, and will seemingly continue to lose talents this year as well, they are just focusing on replacing the ones who are gone instead of fostering their already established talents.
>>109003954Gamers is a gaming themed idol unit.
>>109005335>worst failuresyou might be retarded'23 debut members are bringing in more money than most of the '18-'20 era ones.
>>109005222It just doesn’t make any sense because they created the DEVIS branch as one who is supposed to focus on music/dancing/etc, tho they might as well still be part of the main JP branch lol, so why not return to Gamers and expand that as well. Maybe it’s because Okyau/Korone/Mio all basically joined together as friends and they don’t want to see it expand, that’s the only thing that really makes sense to is that they think of it as their own personal unique part of Hololive.
>>109005350Niji's academy was founded in response to one of their new hires causing a yab that took out Roa in 2020. It's there to shape nobodies with talent into something passable in a year or two, while filtering menheras and yab people. They also have the benefit of mostly having no PLs prior to niji.There was a VTA gen 3 that was terminated in training, complained to japanese keemstar while acting like a manchild and the general response was that "the filter is working as intended".To date, no VTA trainee that debuted in niji have graduated, period. Their most successful male unit yet (oriens & dytica), AND their most successful female unit (idios), are both post-VTA.
>>109005440The Dev_Is shit is still the most baffling thing to me.They make a branch that's allegedly focused on singing and dancing... and STILL lock 3D away for a year, making it impossible for the girls to come out the gate with their best features ready to go.
>>109005335Go public tradedHave shareholders boards that are completly alienated from the thing they ownMake changes based on what competition is doingThey see Anycolor mass produce while Cover is relatively slow and every line must go up quantity included, simply speaking, for shareholders Hololove does not have enough turn over or products to remain proffitable in a long term from now
>>109005451Well I guess that’s why Cover is doing it then, because of how many talents have left and that they now want to ensure that all the newcomers are dedicated for the long run. Makes me think there’s gonna be another mass exodus of current talents this year honestly
they removed the term 'trainee' from the form, probably from the backlash in the comment
>>109002760>>109003446It's Stars ID.
>>109005587>Go public tradedOk I stopped reading there, there's written evidence by yagoo himself on how he tells stockholders to fuck off, someone else has an answer?
>>109005502Yeah that was the most retarded thing they did for DEVIS, not having their 3D and shit ready sooner because that’s suppose to be a major part of their appeal. Which yeah they did start to pop off once they finally got 3D, but man they were all struggling pretty hard before. Like Hajime being the dancer not able to showcase her talent, Riona/Su/Vivi as well. Even more retarded because for the 1st gen of DEVIS, none of them even knew they were gonna be part of that. They all thought they were gonna be JP gen 7.
>>109005587Yeah this just seems like the shareholders are looking purely at the stocks, because Niji does have a larger stock price than Cover, and just being like “well let’s start copying what they do.” So I guess the Nijification of Hololive continues, as if having homobegars and literal nijisisters in Hololive already in whores like Raora or Gigi wasn’t bad enough already
>>109005698>tells investors to fuck off>still do shit that is clearly for them to sugoi sugoi money money biggu returnsLOOOOOOOOL
>>109005610retard
>>109005698VTA never helped Nijisanji, it never helped their chuhbas or the people getting scammed to sign it upThis is not something for holos but for shareholders like the VTA
>>109005830Cope Holokek
>>109005889Big talk considering Niji loses more talents each year than Holo's lost since its inception
>>109002760>within jp skin ??????
>>109005922Maybe because Niji has like 10x the amount of talents as Hololive? Meanwhile Hololive has lost practically 2 entire gens full of members within the past 2 years. Plus at least Niji was smart and culled their garbage IN and now mostly ID/EN branches, Hololive should learn from that and cull their useless ID and homo branches
>>109005994Uh oh, the sister didn't like that. >WE TAKE ON TOO MANY PEOPLE AND THEN MISTREAT ALL OF THEM SO IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE HEMORRHAGING TALENTS Nijicoping at its finest.
>>109005335>NIJISEETHING MAXIN
Most normal unicornhttps://x.com/i/status/2017066776119701999
>>109006106Based nip
>>109006037How is it coping? Niji JP at least is still far more popular than Holo JP, and despite how many members have left they’re still going strong. I don’t see any ex-Holos trying to come back the same way that Lulu did, and all that shit about affiliates with Ame and Chloe are just retarded cope.
>>109004409>>109004447Deranged phasekeks living in a different reality
>>109005335>WorstVTA graduates are some of the succesful livers they've ever had. IDIOS and Voltaction alone outdo 90% of them.
>>109005994Holo ID in can have a concert a in ID. NijiEN can't hold a concert in any western country.
>>109006148Gonna show some numbers to back it up? Sure they might have a 0 graduation record, but that doesn’t mean shit
>>109006116>Niji JP at least is still far more popular than Holo JP
>>109006116More popular in what? Top CCV stream of all time is Holo, every single day Holo has more viewers, merch numbers are comparable (Holo wins most of the times) despite Niji having triple the members.
>>109006163Holo ID is only getting its first concert now after however many years ID has been a thing lol, and it’s not even a large concert hall it’s basically just Cover throwing them crumbs so they stop bitching about being mistreated. NijiEN already held multiple concerts and still does
>>109006258>and it’s not even a large concert hall Yeah only 40 times larger than Saba and Mint's venue.
>>109006210Wtf is this shit even showing. >>109006234Top Niji members btfo all the top Holo members, look at Kuzuha and the usual top dogs of Niji they destroy Pekora/Miko as Holo’s top dogs
>>109002760It's a shit idea that will ruin hololive.Niji's VTA goes against the idea of vtubing. By debuting a bunch of recruits, no one gets attached to them because half won't make it in. Additionally, if they debut a bunch of them at once, they won't put in effort into their design or setting. If they "redebut" the ones that make it in as actual members with good designs, it removes the feeling of them being their character.It works in Nijisanji because almost all of them are boring high school student characters and so most of their designs are uninspired and feel mass produced. That won't work in hololive.Hololive has always operated the opposite of Niji's "accelerate" strategy by prefering fewer high quality members than a bunch of disposable talent and seeing which get popular.This is horrible news and it seems like an idea brought on by investor pressure and not what hololive is supposed to be.
>>109002760They should just make a new gen with these criteria:>Doesn't associate with men in any form in her past activitiesVery important>Has not revealed their faceDecent internet literacy. Lower risk of scandal and more freedom for imagination>No bad rumors about their past activities and pre-debut identityWhether rumor or truth, there is no smoke without fire. The girl needs to be pure>Doesn't use or isn't too activate on their old accounts, especially stuff like fantia, fanboxThis is a given. Whores need not apply>Has some level of activity history as content creatorsYoung and new girls to this gig are prone to making mistakes and giving in to the temptations of the entertainment industry>Have history of giving back to fans in some way in their past activitiesThe more transparent they were about how profits were used to give back to fans, the better. Grifters who intend to live solely off company-limited welfare or get in this business just to get rich are NG
>>109006258It was a 3k venue bro, NijiEN can't sell out 100 tickets for shitty cons meet ups. Kaela mogging alone the entire Niji EN branch would not surprise me at this point.
>>109006313Why you bringing up indies, this is a corpo discussion. Also fuck off adding “and Saba” when her reveal wasn’t even until after the concert was announcement and tickets were being sold. It’s a small venue for Mint because she likes the intimacy of being with a smaller group. She could easily rival the garbage ID concert hall herself, and if you’re including Saba in your disingenuous argument then that would absolutely btfo even EN and JP concerts if she was the focus
>>109006346This
>>109006326Kuzuha is on a 30 month losing streak to both Miko and Pekora, despite streaming the triple of them he loses in watch hours let alone rough CCV. The rest of Niji can't even touch Miko and Pekora.
>>109006326Whatever you do. Don't look at how many chats per minute kuzuha gets compared to Pekora and Miko.
>>109006413>he loseswait, this kuzuha is a male?
>>109006378Kaela has been mia for months bud, she wouldn’t “mog” shit when she’s too busy getting dicked down or whatever instead
>>109006401Your delicious tears sustain me. Keep samefagging.
>>109004965>Ao was the runt of herslmao, she wasn't the runt. She was always ahead of Kanade (the original runt until their first 3D live) and Ririka (the second runt until Ao hiatus).
>>109006342 (Me)It also completely ruins one of the main draws of hololive, which is watching your oshi grow and seeing her develop her streaming ability over time. Now, they'll be "trained" and know exactly what to expect. It removes the organic growth experienced with her fans and replaces it with hollow, desiccated professionalism.
>>109006326lol
>>109006442>whore who plays FF online with her bf
It is finally time to get rid of unikeks
>>109006486Not true, Ao had the lowest numbers. Raden is now the runt because she has no appeal or skill outside being an art autist
>>109006504Uh getting 35k ccv absolutely btfos the top holos who average in the 20k
>>109005711>Like Hajime being the dancer not able to showcase her talentThat wasn't a problem for her. She was the most popular member from the start and only was overtaken by the brainrot short songs of Raden.>none of them even knew they were gonna be part of that. They all thought they were gonna be JP gen 7.Stop making up shit. The only hire that didn't fit the mild was Raden and that was because she was too good for let them pass.
>>109006489Hololive has already hired people that have backgrounds in streaming before, but that’s not even the main point of this academy. It’s to vet people who are applying in order to make sure only the best make it, and to train them to not be retarded on debut which fucks their growth like Riona did that bbc whore
>>109006668Hajime was not popular at the start, nor is she popular now. Her entire gimmick is that she just talks like a retarded toddler who can’t speak. Wtf is this revisionism you tourist fuck, Raden literally openly talked about her time during the audition where they told her that she was going to be joining a new unit that focused on singing and dancing. Which she had 0 background in and was the sole reason why she seriously considered leaving during her first year, she offers nothing to be considered “too good for them” fuck off
>>109002760>Hololive "NEW PROJECT" announcedIt literally says it's not hololive.
>>109006764You can watch it for yourself, but Hajime was always ahead of the others. So basically showing the lack of 3D wasn't a problem for her.
>>109006326The best nojikeks have is a penishaver ABSOLUTE GRIM
>>109006486Ao is the only hololive talent ever to fail at selling out limited birthday merch.
>>109006342>Niji's VTA goes against the idea of vtubing. By debuting a bunch of recruits, no one gets attached to them because half won't make it inAnon most of Council didn't make it to 4 years, Cover had 7 graduations in 2025, and the idea that Hololive talents will stick around for 10 years is completely torched. While I doubt Cover wants to debut hundreds of new talents like Nijisanji they are getting ready for another graduation wave in 2026. Having a larger number of talents allows them the ability to filter out those with insufficient loyalty and it's a cold business decision that Hololive is moving towards a brand focused business model.>Additionally, if they debut a bunch of them at once, they won't put in effort into their design or setting.Vtubers models are cheap and that is why Nijisanji could make a a huge number of models and let talents choose something they liked. Hololive might treat a debut like a big deal but if they don't hire big name artists they can easily make dozens of models the same as Nijisanji. Last year Hololive started to make new outfits internally so they have been getting ready for this.>Hololive has always operated the opposite of Niji's "accelerate" strategy by prefering fewer high quality members than a bunch of disposable talentYagoo cares more about HoloEarth than he ever cared about Hololive.
>Let's Create the Everyday Everyone LovesThis sounds like the most idol shit I've ever heard. Whoever said this new project won't be idol-oriented? You're a retard.
>>109006210Literally 100k worthless pajeet monkeys, seamonkeys, mutt monkeys and Latinx monkeys, there's a reason anycolor worth three times covers in marketcap
>>109007525>This sounds like the most idol shit I've ever heard.Cover says they want to expand beyond the traditional vtuber idol category and if these new vtubers get big enough they can either move to Hololive Production or debut in a "specialized organization" which is something that hasn't been announced yet. That certainly sounds like Hololive is going after the Nijisanji audience.https://audition.hololivepro.com/covertr
>>109004939>>109004965Anon, look at the running average ccv chart, you will see that Dev_is has half the average of jp. It's what it is. No shit they can fill a concert with 4 chuubas in one + some fans of the 2nd gen, they're not doing that badly. A mid-tier Holo can get that by themselves. I'm not going to discuss because very weirdly inconsistent for not clear reasons but you can see she still gets plenty of streams with less than 60k (5 of the past 11) which for Holo JP standards is definitely bottom of the barrel
Wow its almost as if Anycolor's strategy was the correct one this entire time and we're seeing the admission of that.
>>109002760HOLY SHIT.Please refer to grimmi prediction for January.
>>109008156Investing in grooming more capable vtubers as a vtuber company is a better plan than making techbro slop.
>>109005367Okayu's not bouncing enough
>>109006120CONSOOOOOM
>>109006198To be fair VOLTACTION as a unit almost has 900K subs and got into the Oricon Domestic Rookie Rankings for album sales (placed 5th) last year. Mechatu-a was one of the first vtuber units to exceed 100K single sales (and half of them are VTA) Among the top 100 SC rankings IDIOS and Voltaction were a good chunk of them. Would really call VTA a failure but there is no 1 million subs among them (only VOLTACTION is the closest) but IDIOS getting a two-day solo live last year as a pretty big achievement for a mid-level popular unit. Hopefully Yoiyome, AYAKAKI, Splare and now Umyami follow suit somehow.
