https://x.com/KevinCow/status/2017612223879750082
>>109043129What even is holo indie
>>109043129Ah it's the guy that snuck a homo into that Advent game and then had a melty because they didn't play it on stream lmao
>>109043176He's better known as the one who got a meltdown against Ame and threatened to strike her channel(is he?)
>>109043197different people that was holobass
Pagehttps://moocow-games.itch.io/
>>109043129Fucking liar benchod insinuating that kabaa-sama isn't perfect. He will pay.
>>109043169It's a Cover program that offers limited licensing support for indie devs to make hololive-themed games in exchange for some content guidelines and streaming perms.
>>109043169>What even is holo indieA way for Cover to have more control over Hololive indie games but it does look bad when a game developer bluntly states that using it was a huge mistake.
>>109043176hmm
>>109043129>Spend your own time & dime to develop a game>Give up rights for entire game to big corpo just for their stamp of approvalOf fucking course it's a huge mistake.
>>109043355Seems to work out pretty well for the rest of the HoloIndie releasesThey even gave this guy pity and had Advent do voice overs in his game and still NOT A SINGLE ADVENT MEMBER played because he tried to sneak homos in there for literally no reason
>>109043169Basically just a program for holo fangame creators to work with Cover. If you pass their vetting process, they allow you to freely monetize your game and might ask the girls to play / shill your games.Don't know what this guy's issue is, though
>>109043404Basically he blames the lack of popularity on Advent not playing it, which is almost entirely on him but whateverHis surrounding life situation at the time compounded with it and mindbroke him a bit
>>109043355They never really get full rights over those games as long as they use Hololive characters. Joining HoloIndie doesn't really change anything (you don't have more or less rights over your work).
>>109043219Oh, you're right. My bad
>>109043404If I remember right from being there last year, they also showcase some of the games at the Hololive Expo.
You JUST had to make the Advent game about Advent and not add Homos, Kevin!Why would you EVER think that Advent wanted to play a game with Homos!
>>109043551counterpoint: Shiori
>>109043443Unironically, if he wanted VTuber fans to play his games, he should've tried his luck with smaller corpos. They and their fans would kill to get good fangames about them and he would get players. Win-win
>>109043575This was 2024 Shiori, mind you, before the brick Shiori didn't want to play games with Homos either
>>109043443kwab
>>109043129Do you think he's gonna actually explain why or just leave a vague post for twitter attention?
How were stars included in the game? I didn't see anyoney in the screenshots and this game looks boring as hell so I'm not going to download it.
>>109043612I haven't played it either but from what I can remember the FWMC level (there's a level for each Advent member) has a Bettel sub-level in itNot a HUGE thing but I genuinely cannot imagine why you would do that on FWMC's levels of all levelsThere may be others too but that's all I've seen
what is the game even about?is it a vampire survivor clone?
>>109043588I think he's a grifter throwing an olive branch to the anti mob and is waiting for someone with drama clout to reach out to him.The revolution will be monetized.
this faggot was lucky that his shit game was included.
>>109043691kek i forgot how much of a wet fart this was in a slew of mostly good announcements
>>109043575Counterpoint: 2024 Shiori AND the homo was in Fuwamoco's level
>>109043684each level was a different type of game i believe
>>109043129I see no proof of anything other than the post of someone who is known to have regularly scheduled meltdowns.
>>109043684It's a mash up of several different minigames (i.e: racing, candy crush)
>>109043129My man the huge mistake is adding homos in a Holo game. The Kronii fangame removed that stupid Bettel level and everyone liked it, I even saw a few people outside the vtuber sphere enjoying it due to how it was.
>>109043788He and another developer said a few days ago that that game was going to be delisted "due to confusion and fees over music licensing". I suppose he asked Cover to help and they told him no
>>109043858>the artist is far more informative than the game devlel
>>109043580I can see how he made that mistake. He's still thinking of it like a small loose company like back in 2020. Gotta let go, times have changed
>>109043444You end up losing the rights to the non-Hololive parts of the game, so yes you get less rights over your work.
>>109043580>>109043978If he wanted to maybe don't add fucking homos in an advent game? Just a thought.
>>109043197He had a meltdown because Ame didn’t hire him as her 3D model guy despite making smol ame. Then he teased a 3D Bae platformer and dropped it. At some later point he threw shade at Ame for not streaming. I forgot what he did to make advent hate him, I think he was being snarky or some shit with fwmc with regards to the homos.
>>109043443qq
>>109043580This post reads as the fags begging for nijicure a few years ago.
>>109043443so basically hes a retard who's not even a holofan and just wanted to use hololive's popularity to jumpstart his "career" and got mad when it didn't. what a nothingburger
>>109043129Am I supposed to care about the opinion of a Twitter homobeggar? fucking kek
>>109044125>and just wanted to use hololive's popularity to jumpstart his "career"I would be fine with this. There's a holo animator doing basically the same, and it's working, the problem is that this retard doesn't understand that putting Bettel who has 0 ties in an advent fangame is gonna earn him negative exposure.
>>109043719>the homo was in Fuwamoco's levelI like holostars, but ain't no way he was that big of a retard, lmao. Not even I would have done something so stupid.
>>109043129i thought he fucked off to bluesky ages ago
>>109044181Putting him in FWMC's stage of all people too.
>>109044219He did, but he found out that most of his bsky followers aren't there anymore
>>109043580I guess their talents would play it but basically no one else would.
It didn't help this guy that his Advent game was boring as shit.The game was a few minigames that all were extremely basic and had no actual end goal, just mindless repetition with no reward.
>>109043129What'd he expect by sneaking in the homos
>>109043129>artists having problem with hololiveIf I had a nickel for every time this happened, I could buy Twitter from Elon.
this guy hates Ame too
Wouldn't an Advent Helltaker copy be easier to make, and at least fit better since they have to break out of jail and stuff?
>>109044125Basically all Holoindie developers are that. The difference for example is the people who made that Miko game then apologized when fans corrected their obvious lack of knowledge with honorific suffixes and so on and then fixed it.
Sounds like a Holobass moment.
>>109043355Nah, I looked it up on steam, it's just a small collection of generic minigames with advent skins. He's got 346 reviews, which is plenty. If not for the branding he would unironically never even get to 10.Shame, because the art seems nice, and it must have taken some effort, but the games themselves strike me as as basic and generic as possible, just seems like a waste of effort to me.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2679690/Age_of_Advent/
>>109044418that sounds like Hololive Moments
>>109044418Just curious, I don't recognize her name so I don't think she has ever worked with them before. What was this about?(Too lazy to look it up on twitter)
From the look of it, I blame Biboo for blueballing him (she was the one who answered his SC and told him they were going to play the game)
>>109044519he's proven to be an extremely mediocre game dev who thinks he has some sort of clout because he got noticed by myth early on. guy has been a whiny bitch for years.
>>109043443I feel bad for the guy but adding Holostars to a Hololive game basically guarantees that none of the unicorn friendly talents will stream it. Even the developer of Chrono Gear understood the harsh market reality of selling an indie game that is 100% dependent on fans buying it. Also the EN vtuber market has declined since 2022 and the huge success of HoloCure (over 25,000 reviews on Steam) was lighting in a bottle that literally can't be repeated.>>109044181Unicorns exaggerate how important they are but the HoloPro unity crowd does the same thing on social media. There is a lot of casual fans who wouldn't mind Holostars as guests in a Hololive game but they wouldn't spend money on a fan game. The updoots on Reddit aren't worth anything if they won't buy the game.
>>109044529She has with Kiara and laplushttps://x.com/raina_illune/status/1998294249696264401
>>109043197>>109044486
>>109044579The timeline is>Fangame announcement>Biboo says she wants to play it, even asks management to get perms for it>The spastic has a melty over Ame >At the release people find out there are homos in the game>He sends a SC to Biboo asking why management is not answering his dms about the perms anymoreBiboo did nothing wrong.
>>109044653Wonder what they did to her then. Did they not pay her in time?
>>109044579You're an indie dev shitter, your options are:- Return to twitter, be humble respectful and positive- Stay on a dead platform, whine, bitch, shit yourselfWhy do they always pick the latter?
>>109044789Didn't playing Smol Ame on stream make her rage?
>>109044829Dealing with corporate perms and licenses is a lot different than making a fangame on itch.io that gets some popularity. Don't hate the guy but he needs a reality check. Not even Ame managed to make things work with Cover. What chance do you think you have
>>109044836Retards like you are why we can't have nice things, you just automatically assume any retard is genuine and the victim. Artists are infamously menhera and duplicitous. Like that one Felutiahime guy who was employed by big name Holos and then revealed later to just be some scammer begging for money. I mean fucking Ame's mama for example deleted all her content and channel multiple times. Mumei wants money but has a total complex about people not liking her art because she was a famous vtuber once.
>>109044902Oh no, don't get me wrong, I think Biboo told management not to bother getting perms anymore after the sperg he had over Ame. She still did nothing wrong.
Isn't this the retard that added stars references to the advent holo indie game and then got mad they didn't play it on stream even though it got more promo than it deserved by being one of the BIG summer of advent announcements? Just checking that it's THAT guy complaining holo indie didn't do enough for his shit game?
>>109043129the Chrono Gear devs talked about how helpful HoloIndie was for them actually being able to make the game as they imagined it, and they made easily the highest quality HoloIndie game to date, meanwhile KevinCow is expecting the world when all he did was develop on the absolute bottom end of quality for HoloIndie
>>109043129anon, hes having a menhera episode again due to the fact that no one actually wants to play his games https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:gpfxljzm4iz4eaih4jucce2j/post/3mdptqfn3ns2h
>>109044938Of course not. I don't know why some people think the girls run the company and are also all millionaires on top of that. Maybe I have more sympathy for everyone because I essentially see corpos as meat grinders. I wonder if he has any real experience in his own industry. He'd probably have more perspective
>>109045066>of course notGirls absolutely have agency over perms for their own indie games. Kronii played her fangame as soon as it was possible, the main difference being that the game dev for that game didn't shat on her friends and coworkers a day before that, on top of adding a guy she never interacted with into the game.
>>109043335of course that madarchod is using bluesky
>>109045066He's facing the bane of the devs: self promotion, and he's proven to be a fucking retard with 2 shotguns aimed at each foot in that area.
This dude should be grateful for holo since he had way more people playing his holo games than anything without holo.Also if he wasn't a spastic retard who menhera'd multiple times to Ame and didn't try to sneak in holostars in a fucking Advent game then even more people might have played his games.Still, his upcoming "game" is just a fucking retarded concept.>There are a million buttons. Only one is correct. The correct one is always randomized and there are no hints.In other words, there is no deduction, no puzzle, it's just click on everything. Who the fuck wants to play that?
>>109044579Guy seems to think he's owed a successful living from making games that aren't even good. Get a fucking job like everyone else and stop whining, holy fuck.
>>109045511Even the amount of decent indie games on itch.io is pretty high. For every well-made game that breaks out like Vampire Survivors there's probably 1000+ that don't. There's 600,000 listed on the Web category alone.
>>109043443lil nigga wanted to be the next kay yu lmao
tying your menhera self to your works is doing both a massive disservice yet it keeps on happening
Advent deserves more hate.God bless Shiori for realizing its all bullshit and hanging with the homos.
>>109043443Can't spell menhera without men.
It's a bunch of boring minigames with no plot, no goal, no work invested at all, unironically no different than AIslop, the guy is a leech trying to make a name for himself using hololive that's all. I mena just compare ANY other Holoindie game to his trash lol. If anything it's a miracle that anyone gave it a try.
It's kinda retarded that he is making fan games only for clout of holos playing them. Yeah it probably sucks making a game that no one plays, but the holos don't owe you anything just because you use their likeness for you chracters. Especially when you act like a complete schizo when you don't get your way, it's no wonder no one wants to touch his game
>>109043443Don't partner with westerners, it's a mistake.
Imagine throwing your golden ticket away because you just couldn't help yourself NOT adding homos in your Advent game. Truly sad to see how easily manipulable people throw their lives away for the culture war, when the people at the top couldn't give two shits about you. But hey, if you go homeless, maybe use your last savings to buy a ticket to Minnesota. I hear they are in need of delusional people with nothing left to lose to martyr themselves.
>>109043335what an absolute loser faggot. Imagine spending all that time and resources making something that they actually play, and burning it all down to stand with the homos kek
>>109047063great minds think alike
>>109047063There was never a golden ticket. His justification sounds fairly rational honestly
>>109047170That does sound pretty whiny. I can really attest to the quality of the games he made, but all the posts I've seen from him have really made him seem like a really entitled little bitch who wants to make the next holocure for clout
>>109047170>You give up ownership of the gameYou were never going to own it anyway even if it was free, the characters are all property of Cover. They just allowed you to do fan work without them copy striking your ass. That bit about the music is fucked tho, if true. Do you still have to pay license if you already abide by the music guidelines? What about 8-bit covers like from Holocure? Hope he's just bullshitting, other I might be in for a bit of pain in the future.
>>109047226Him being whiny and fans liking Hololive doesn't mean he doesn't have a point. Corpos do some intensely offputting shit with ownership. Blizzard tried to say fanmade mods made in Warcraft 3 are their property because they lost out on MOBAs. So he's not approaching this well, but indie devs should probably be very careful approaching corpos.
>>109047267That's a valid point, but also what you get from using holos for your game does give more exposure for your game compared to using some random characters you came up with yourself, so Cover requiring you to give something in return is pretty fair. Something like smol Ame was not a game that anyone would have any interest in if it didn't feature holos.
>>109047267Cover does in fact own their properties, you can't just steal IP's and call them yours. You third-worlders get away with it because you aren't even worth the expense of acknowledging.
>>109047312Yeah also this. I'm sure it's frustrating but maybe speak some JP on your end, you're not a company priority. Meanwhile flaming them on twitter serves what point exactly. I'm not impressed by Cover's management but he's not covering himself in glory either. It's ultimately a fan project. Maybe just keep it non-commercial and build your portfolio, you don't have to deal with Cover at all.
>>109047336Free indie games are basically fan art, I imagine ownership only becomes a problem if you intend to start selling it.
>>109047170what did this stupid fuck think was going to happen? He knew this going into it
>>109043129>holoyab>kevin still having a melty over ame and co never giving him the clout he thinks he deservesthe state of this fucking board...
>>109047264>You were never going to own it anyway even if it was free, the characters are all property of Cover.Except they now own the whole game, not just the characters. They own the code, concept, gameplay mechanics, etc. All without any sort of monetary compensation.
>>109043197That was HoloBass. Kevin had a Melty over her not hiring him for her VRChat stuff, over the years took swipes at her several times both subtle and blatant then made Age of Advent which both looks like shit and put in homos for no reason and had a Melty when nobody streamed it and it sold like shit. He also made it instead of getting a job
>>109047264IIRC you pay per song included, but I seem to remember there being some kind of bulk package thing you could also use instead. If you want to use the actual songs with talent's vocals, those are an additional cost. Whatever it is, it's a fee, but a comparatively minimal one to have actual songs in your game.
>>109047543Don't they literally allow you to monetize the game by doing this? Sure, if you join holo indie AND give it away for free, then you're fucked, but if it was released as a paid product outside of holo indie and it contained holo IP, you would get into legal trouble anyway. There has to be a catch here, and I'll wait for more info from other holo indie creators before trusting this .blusky retard
>>109047596The whole thing just seems like a mess. Cover also could have said "we're not looking to license anything, but we wish you well as a fan project". Which would have saved everybody some grief. It's not like they don't have former professionals from the game industry involved with them.
>>109047264The music guidelines aren’t for commercial projects if you want to use music to make money you gotta pay. Even ignoring the fact that a bunch of Holosongs aren’t owned by Hololive but UMG or Victor or in some cases the Holo the songwriter, producer and so on still need their royalties
>>109044181This reminds me of the Kronii game, but at least they were smart enough to remove that guy
>>109047543so don't join? as long as it's free you can still make a Holo fangame, that's why Kay Yu wasn't interested in moving Holocure to HoloIndie. Likewise several devs have lauded the amount of help and ability to monetize HoloIndie has provided them
>>109047652I was basically thinking of holo indie monetizing as a way to offset music expenditure. If I could just put the game out for free but with holo music without having to license it additionally, it would be no problem.
>>109047649The problem is music rights, Cover don't own all the music from all the holos. For examy If you want music from Morpo in your game you need to pay UGM their fee.
>>109047649By working with holoIndie, you are basically just short of making an official product. It still has to be vetted and approved, but they seem to let people make almost whatever they want. I don't think music licensing part really sounds that complicated because you can always make your own songs without having to pay a license, as people tend to do when they make things.
>>109047710Steam page. This released 2 years ago. I don't understand why the melty nowhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2679690/Age_of_Advent/
>>109047816i wouldnt play that even if i was in it
>>109047797the other big thing is it gives you access to commission the talents for VA work, obviously you still have to pay them but being able to use something other than stream clips is a big deal for a passionate fangame dev
>don't work with holoindie, it's a huge mistake>the mistake? they won't force the girls to play your low effort slopAm I understanding this yab correctly?
>>109047918Also, the dude didn't understand music licensing and that there are fees to be paid at a set interval to allow certain music tracks to still be in the game
>>109047918>Am I understanding this yab correctly?It sounds mostly like he confused a passion project with the unfortunate world of corporate IP licensing. Live and learn
>>109047816The game does look pretty fucking awful so no wonder the holos did not play it. Holocure is by all accounts a really well made game that is fun to play that could do well even with a completely own IP. Age of Advent looks more like a generic asset flip that no one would touch if it didn't feature holos.
>>109047509He thought of it as an "investment" hence why he's so butthurt, he probably thought that he would be a big name in the indie scene and it would look fantastic in his portfolio but things didn't go as planned, because it turns out his awful shitty set of minigames are only good as an example of zero creativity and effort.Some anons are saying that he put the faggots in the game, but even without that his set of minigames is insultingly barebones, even pathetic, mobile slop has more effort out into it for god's sake.
>>109043129Reminder that HoloEN even made a huge Advent summer event to promote this guy's Age of Advent game. They really know how to pick em.
>>109048182They were actually gonna play it and Nerissa even asked for perms but then that retard used FWMC's stream consistency to shit talk Ame.
>>109048299That's just retarded from the dev's part, what did he even expect would happen?
>>109044181Maybe because he's a twin like them and they have the same cotton candy color palette. That's all I can think of.
the account is locked now lmao
>>109043320He's mad they didn't play his game. Maybe he shouldn't have snuck homos into it.
>>109048608Damn that was fast.
Its so funny how the unicorns in this thread are trying so hard to make this about something its not.
>>109043580>and he would get players.A whole 50 of them!
>>109048608What a snowflake
>>109048869Did he put a gavis bettel reference in, or was that just the Kronie dev?
>>109043129>kevinFuck off phasefag
>>109044065>I forgot what he did to make advent hate himSome ruffians called him out on the homo in the fwmc level and he started doing snarky subtweets about Advent fans, which some of the Advent girls must have noticed.
>>109044418you are a shitposting faggot for hiding the context behind this tweet. It was about Cover using AI in their promo shit
>>109044836She crashed out on twitter when neither of them chose her for their next MV/shorts projects. She literally thought working with them once would make her into some kind of exclusive Holo animator like kanauru.
>>109047686Good course correction, game was saved by this decision
>>109043129People bring up the Advent game thing with this guy but that was just the last straw in a saga spanning years. This dude has been a giant menhera and trying to guilt trip people and holo talents into playing his shovelware for as long as EN has been around
>>109044913uhoh Holokek melty
>>109048847Right or wrong, he got jumped on by Holodrones and that's not the attention someone wants
>>109044579That guy is a faggot, but Advent ruined everything as usual, it's been a downhill since Advent. Overall, I'd say this shitshow serves as a reminder about the difficulties of fully explaining the problems with corporations. In this story it features Cover, a figure whose inherent greed drives a desire to control everything, leaving absolutely no room for positive non-corpo aspects. Advent, who were brought in to be the perfect corpo plants for Cover (imagine them as your coworkers), and lastly, other important players involved: sperging artists, neglectful managers, menhera talents, entitled fans, etc.
Funny because that Holorobo game got played by a lot Holomem
>>109048997Wasn't that in the Advent group Taxi level and not the Fuwamoco one? Iirc he had a building with a poster over there. Not much place to hide a homo in the cart minigame
>>109043983What is a non-hololive part of a game? Game mechanics?
>>109049593>who were brought in to be the perfect corpo plants for Cover (imagine them as your coworkers)I think this is also the best explanation I've heard for why there might have been friction between some Holomems. It reduces your leverage to negotiate with management, and well, people sometimes take it personally
>>109047816>This released 2 years agoAdvent isn't that old, anon.wait...
>>109044913Anyone remember Mizuryu Kei's meltdown?
>>109043129Nothing you post on a site is yours. Everytime you post, you give the site permission to copy, redistribute and modify your content. Fuck you Kevin, do not quit your job for internet browny points.
>>109049986So... you will own nothing, and you will be happy?
>>109043129i haven't seen Age of Advent, but i did played Smol Ame and it felt more like a tech demo than a finished game. Kevin was just at the right time and to be fair to him he created one of Hololive's earliest fangames (i think it even preceeded Holocure) that's why he got popular that time. unfortunately he's too naive and thought he's entitled to have his games played by holos. he added a Bettel-themed stage as a final update for Smol Ame which makes any chances of a holo picking it up again to zero
>>109047596>contractors have feesWoah!
>>1090498762021 is 5 years ago and it's old enough to feel nostalgic to.
>>109047407nihongo muzukunai, ganbare!
>>109050114why the fuck doesn't he just make a holostar game
>>109043129Hang and quarter twitter screencap posters
>>109050219we starmin need a good game pls do it
>>109044046Shiori would like a word with you, anon
>>109050114Why does he have such a hardon for the homos?
>>109043443>bluesky>collection of mini games>art style not even consistent>probably earned x10 times what he would if it was just the same game without the skin
>>109049826imagine making a pokemon-like fangame and by your logic Cover automatically owns the patent for pokemon mechanics because you publish it at HoloIndie. nothing would go wrong haha.
>>109050301guy is a homobeggar, please understand.
>>109043129lmao its that guy who kept shitting on ame for not giving him enough attention and then changed to shitting on advent for not playing the game hes made with a fuckload of homo features
>>109043335>trannysky
>>109050366You're a fucking retard who thinks someone should be able to sell their lung to a patient who needs an organ transplant to survive and then a few years later decide they actually regret their decision and want it back. The rest of the world would look like the dung heap you come from if it worked that way.
>>109050721>>109047543>>109049986we unironically believe this
>complaining about engagement metrics on fucking bskyDo any holos actively post there? Is this guy a fucking moron?
Did NOBODY told him that the reason why Advent avoided his game is because of the holostars content in it? Even now??
>>109049109>I've been hiding a lot of my disappointments of the holo company for an entire yearCan you read retard?
>>109044418If it keeps happening to a breadth of different artists, maybe it's not the artists.
>>109047170its retards like you that enable retards like himgod damn beggars are really bottom of the barrel in every sense of the wordif only someone could stick you all in one and shoot at it, now that would be a game worth streaming
>>109053834i don't agree, but at least you had the chance to cry on the internet
>>109049569Beggar seethe
>>109044418Honestly this is why AI is going to win the war. People are ugly, petty and selfish. Robots are perfect. Every day that passes we get closer to never having to deal with people like this again. Only the real artists and geniuses will stick around and be worth studying.
>>109043443Honestly if the contract he signed said it would be played and they didn't play it... he might have a legal case against hololive.
>>109049872there's no shame in being good at your jobsee that's the problemsome people think they should be paid just for existing and dont know the value of work while other people actually make sacrifices and get rewarded for it.. they wouldn't last a day without other twitter losers liking their posts so they can thinkthe problem isn't them
>>109053963>at least you had the chance to cry on the internetJust like that game dev.
>>109050393But why not make a game for the homos then? They are desperate enough to actually play it on stream. Oh wait, because nobody watches them he won't get the attention and clout he wants.
>>109043274tried a game there, but I don't see any point in it.
>>109044789This is so arrogant. The reason people like nullrefrepro got picked up is because they literally posted stuff in her art tag like "Hey. Look at this cool stuff I can program. I can do these other things too. Btw I'm available for hire." Y'know, professional and direct. But this asshole thinks Ame should've gone out of her way to contact him? She probably didn't even know this guy was available or interested in work.
>>109047686What was he even doing in there in the first place? I'm pretty sure him and Kronii have never once interacted at all. Just a pure homobegger move.
I don't watch hololive but I looked up advent and like 2 of them openly collab with men so that can't be it.
>>109048869rent free
>>109043582so Shiori *did* change and the "muh she said X on debut" was a complete lie
>>109044789 (me)>>109047553The more I think about, the stupider this guy looks. Ame would hire people for fairly specific skills. Hasksoft and Seafoamboi were hired to make and design 3D models and sets. Nullrefrepro to program things in VRChat. Kanauru for handling and editing motion data. Look, if Ame had wanted to make little platformer game, I could've seen his point. But that's not something Ame ever did. So why is he upset about not getting hired, when there's absolutely no indication he even had any relevant skills to be hired for in the first place?
>>109049134If I got passed for that fucking guy I would crash out too
>>109055707>What was he even doing in there in the first place? I'm pretty sure him and Kronii have never once interacted at all.The cynical theory would be that this is to force Kronii into a scenario where she would have to discuss and acknowledge the existence of the homos on her stream, in a game where she's controlling herself playing through a HolostarsEN-themed level. Of course the dev failed by posting it on twitter before release/stream, so he was forced to remove it from the game.
>>109055707It was a Polka level and I think the entire thought process was >Polka’s a clown>Bettel’s a jester>put them in a level together
>>109049593>it's been a downhill since Advent.EN wasn't good until Advent debuted. Myth was trash, especially Gura.
where's the yab though
>>109047170I mean, I don't think his complaints about it are exactly wrong, but at the point he's trying to get money off of a game with hololive, then yea of course you won't really own it, you are using their ip for profit.If he's willing to do it for free (with a paypal or something for pure donation purposes) then I think he's absolutely justified to mention the drawbacks, or he doesn't have to make anything at all. As for paying for the music license, that's just risk analysis. If you think you can make more with it, then its not bad. Of course sales are not guaranteed, and to be fair the market for holo games has likely gotten alot weaker, so it just depends. I don't think its right to lock in on talents shilling the games though, that should be talent choice.He privated his account like a little bitch though, so I guess he meant it in a crashout way instead of an actual reasoned approach of the drawbacks.
>>109055906follow a menhera's train of thought at your own perili guess he thinks the fanworks he creates is doing Ame/Advent/Cover/Fans/etc. a "favor" which wasn't repaid which is retarded as a concept but here we are
jesas what a fag, he locked lol
>>109043129Hololive will fall before the year is over
>>109054436Because Homo games don't explode in popularity, look up the other homo games, not many know they even have games.
>>109060621I'm pretty sure several of those were straight up organized by the homos' own managers
>>109054503>magmiteso it's not just the bettel reference. there's also a magni one!
>>109060621That was my point, he didn't know the first thing about either the girls or the homos. He just saw a gravy train to hitch his wagon and fumbled everything because he was just looking for fame. No vision for games and no passion for the subject matter. He was doomed before he even started.
>>109047543>>109047635They (Hololive & Cover) don't own the whole game, though. You can still take the same code and use for your other non-Holo related projects without having to get their permission - which wouldn't have been allowed if they are the rights owner to everything. They get to read your codes and request you to make adjustment if necessary, but that's the extent of it.
>death threatwho's the asshole nowglad ame never hired this fag, he's worthless
>>109061359You're just proving his point even more rumao
>>109061079More likely he was just a fan and didn't have enough experience to handle a partnership with more smoothness.Shocking idea, isn't it
>>109061442You're clearly illiterate because you can't figure out what either of their points are. Someone saying "you're all a bunch of meanies, I hope you fucking die" does not have a point, the hypocrisy is baked into their statement.
>>109061717Twitter is 90% shitflinging, nobody's going to learn a goddamned thing
>>109044829>>109043443>>109044125Stars feels like a huge fucking trap laid out in plain sight in this context kekIf you just go in making the game as a complete casual fan Cover won't warn you about this and neither will the yes men on Twitter or Discord. You just see they're a side branch, think "hey why not" and add references to them in your game then the talents and fans won't play it and nobody will tell you why to your face since they'd get publicly railed by the same yes men from before
>>109061871In my experience 90% of twitter is tits.
>>109061359Guess he didn't like people reposting receipts of him shitting on Ame using FWMC
Wasn't this fag about to be homeless a while back?
>>109043129>retard that had multiple meltdowns over holo members>put males into a game that made it so most of the girls in it wouldn't touch it>account deletedretard alert.
>nuked accountkek, later pussy
>>109061717We have a cure for covid so it's more like "I hope you get a cold" nowadays
>>109043443What a fucking retard. No shit nobody played it. Homo shilling idiot.
>>109062155to be fair, he did say "super covid" so he implied he wants everyone to die an agonizing death.also his last tweet (bluesky), is he going to kill himself lmao
>>109044652>I feel bad for the guy butdon't. he was a retard that sperged out constantly over everything. he makes his own problems.>Unicorns exaggerate how important they are butmost holo fans aren't unicorns, but they're still not interested in stars or they'd be watching them.
>>109043443this reminds me of the retard that was making a Hololive Friday Night Funking mod that no one ever played because he insisted in making Aloe the main character
>>109062360ALOE LOVE
>>109061359really not beating the allegations, pedosky
>>109062360That's actually kinda based tbdesu
Are (You) a nazi pedophile anon?
>>109045182OP is twitter though so don't be a schizo>>109047686Also helps the gameplay and writing was top notch and the dev had several really good officially published works already. Or the fact they had the balls to kill off everyone, including kronii and make that a plot twist.Including the homo would have hurt sales, but it wouldn't be a kill shot like it was with Age of Advent. Although maybe the homo was removed at Kronii's request, because she did voice acting for the game along with several other holos.
>>109063896>OP is twitter thoughHe's on both
>>109063890Hololive keeps losing...
>>109043129QRD please.
>>109064255>QRD>he wants the quick ReandownHaha, guess it's time to not hold back>orphaned and adopted into a Noble family>final student of a legendary swordsman>secret son of the mysterious big bad who's actually good>such a chad that he not only adds every woman to his ever-expanding harem but also the men>his sister and her friend (who is the royal princess)'s vaginas becomes waterfalls at the sheer mention of his name>chosen to pilot an ancient super mecha>masters and can fully control his *psh nothin personell kid" demonic powers>wields a tachi and can teleport behind you>beats one of the most powerful swordsmen in history that's hyped up in Trails in the Sky>grows up to become a teacher, can romance his underage students>just saying "haha" makes everybody drop their pants for him>uses the power of friendship to defeat the true antagonist interdimensional hatred curse that appears at the last second>is technically royalty, his biological father is the reincarnation of an ancient Emperor>breaks up budding romances between other characters that were developing in the third game because everybody sucks his dick in the fourth game>even the protagonists of previous games hype him up>kills himself in a noble self sacrifice with his fujobait boyfriend to break a curse but not really because the even bigger bigger villains rewrite the timeline to get the true ending>becomes one of the strongest characters on the continent>has the option to cuck Estelle away from Joshua, Tita away from Agate, Tio away from Lloyd, etc.>now a version of himself from an alternate timeline is trying to kill him because he's too chad>awakens a new inner power to combat this alternate self, giving him heterochromia in the process>tops Japanese official popularity polls, brought his franchise to the spotlight,>made it so that the majority of the franchise's games are about him>is the writer's favorite character, writer goes on to call the previous protagonists embarrassing
>>109051015You just need one faggot blabbering like a retard with no fact or contract on hand and everyone still believes his shit.
>>109061717Retard
>>109063890Good riddance, I hope he never come back
>>109043129>Kekvin lolcow
>>109048886that's like 10 times the amount he got kek
>>109047170holoindie does sound like a shit deal. I would just ask for donations on the game page instead of giving my game to cover If I wanted to make money off of it.
>>109052912sounds like she's a salty bitch and also a coward for deleting it
>>109064255>made an Advent game>sprinkle holostars things in it>surprised the girls didn't wanna touch it
>>109043443>be grifter game dev with little knowledge about hololive or idol culture>make hololive game anyways because you're a grifter leech>stick homo in the game because you're a retard and don't know about idol culture and unicorns>get upset and confused when your grifter game doesn't get played by the talents (aka the only reason you made the game, because you're leech)>make post on troonsky (added cringe bonus): "why didn't they like it? I don't understand. I give up. im homeless now"Imagine being this pathetic and retarded
>>109043129Who cares about this faggot, he burned all his bridges like a moron
>>109065702I'm not even sure that the holos didn't play the game because of the homos in it, they probably got turned off from the dev being a complete schizo who threw tantrums when he didn't get his way
>>109061359What a fucking loser lmao.He's gone to join the insufferable death threat doxxer gang that is blue sky.The "virtuous" mask wearing devils that have two faces always.They cry out in pain as they strike you.
>>109043444that is true only and only if you want to make profit out of those games
>>109043129This subhuman should have never even been endorsed
>>109065749The advent games collection is also just super lame shit nobody would play for more than 5 minutes and it barely references anything hololive aside from having the titular girls themselves as if the faggot had never even seen any of them.
>>109063890>"waaaah waaaaah woe is meeee I suck so much I'm worthless and don't deserve happiness waaa :("God, what a pathetic, insufferable, self-loathing loser. Anyone that says this kind of shit is nothing more than an self-absorbed, attention seeking cunt that sucks up all positive energy with their fucking black hole personality. Fuck this faggot. He doesn't think he deserves happiness? Well, wish granted fag! You earned it!
>>109043853Funny that it's always Bettel that they try to sneak in, it would've made more sense (and caused more drama) if it was Vesper
>>109065212Yeah no. Cover and the legal system are in fact not terminally retarded so that still counts. You also will make a fraction of the money from voluntary donate if you like it schemes as you know an actual sale
>>109043443>not knowing that Advent prefers not to interact with malesthis faggot doesn't even watch them
>>109043443At least he didn't become a schizo here like the nuinuifaggot.
>>109067117He probably already was schizoing here
>>109043443>pedosky>not even a holo fan>somehow thinks he is entitled for holomens to play and like his shovelware
>>109067160Is there a dedicated advent schizo here?
>>109067359I think so
>>109049593>That guy is a faggot, but Advent ruined everything as usual, it's been a downhill since Advent.Ah yes, it's totally their fault that they didn't... play his game
>>109056349Unironically this. No gen synergy until Advent. Awkward, forced feeling relationships for the beginning of Myth and Council and it literally took years for any of them to feel like real friends. Even now, Myth members seem closer with Advent or Justice members than their own genmates. Mori, Kiara, and Ina don't feel like actual friends at all lol. Kronii is closer to Raora and CC than her genmates. Oh, and I agree that Gura actually sucked. I've been watching her old streams recently and everything she does and says feels awkward and it's hard to not to cringe at her socially retarded personality. She does or says something and its followed up by a awkward quiet laugh. She's absolutely devoid of charisma
>>109043671Why didn't he just remove Bettel? If he was desperate for a win, it shouldn't have mattered to him. He also could have said he was going to make a Holostars game as cover for the decision (and then never delivered).
>>109043858More like he asked Cover to help and they forgot about it. Wouldn't be the first time either, talents included.
>>109067689Yes, that's how it works. Ask flareschizo.
>>109067689They (Bijou) told him they were going to play his game. He didn't realize they were liars. Should've kept their words
>>109044519so he's one of those fags who only do this because he thinks being a "game developer" makes him cool
>>109065240It's not deleted https://x.com/raina_illune/status/2006664468097544334
>>109047170>give up ownershipYou don't own the characters retard.
>>109054194>People are ugly, petty and selfish. Robots are perfect.It's not even negative character traits really.All of these artists are doing a piece of a larger project. Projects have deadlines, dependencies, and fugly disgusting interpersonal expectations. Most HR Susans call the last part "Ability to collaborate effectively", which is also a natural achievement filter on spergs. Programmers and artists have high sperg density.Now, Cover is a Japanese company so the interpersonal expectations are different, in non-explicit ways, with the shit in a western company. And even in a western company, different teams have different brain damage that needs to be routed around. Some people are incompetent but can't leave, some people are vying for promotions and looking for someone to backstab and step on, and some people do okay on their own but can't work between groups.As long as Cover is actually paying contracted artists according to their contract, the work needing 300 revisions or never seeing the light of day because someone didn't shoeshine the right guy, is just part of business. LLM slop shit helps because you remove one person from the project group and move that over to a person with control of it. No more messy negotiation and trying to work together. Just boil the ocean a little more and when the talent is a diva and wants the ears redrawn for the six time the GPU is happy to run inference for the 60th time.
>>109065749No its because he used FWMC to shit on Ame. That guy has been pissed at Ame ever since she hired someone else to be her 3D model slave.
>>109043129> Throws this absolute nuke out of nowhere> Deletes his twitter because fuck you i guess> uses his troonsky to have constant meltdowns and call everyone twitter nazis and toxic just because we wanted to know what in the absolute fuck did he mean with his post> now he's having a total breakdown over a chick that ghosted himLike seriously, why is every homobeggar so cancerously retarded?
>>109043129This fucking guy againTipped him like 10 dollars for that Sana fishing game, it was his best game but I think it's just me being way too niceNever liked the Smol Ame game, plus his other work never looked interestingCome to think of it, the Sana game only existed because she was the one to pay attention to him and Sana had a handful of community participation streams and shit
Suicide imminent hopefully
>>109043443Adding to this, the game was not good. It wasn't even a game, it was a loose collection of small games. Even something as a clone of plants vs zombie as holo vs robo is is leagues ahead of this.
>>109050272Occasional reminder that the holostar unironically made a star fangame https://ccmc-corp.itch.io/doppelganger
>>109071911*that the holostar management
>>109047170If he a fan creator or is he taking advantage of popular intellectual property? It looks like a bit of both here.
>>109068159He lied first. He claimed he made a game when he in fact made garbage.
