>>109106219
Cool story but that shit got deleted so I don't care

>Full color
>told gura to stop rping in enreco
>management ignores kroni on the basis
>several gura projects cancelled
>cancelled nendos

>>109107076
>is a massive faggot

>>109106219
You didn't mention any of the JPs like Kanatan (assuming that wes including EN0)

>>109107329 (me)
>*wes
sorry I had a Welsh moment there or something, maybe I have an ancient ancestor

>>109106219
I'm bored so I'll debate
>>Kronii had a song waiting over a year to be released
The basically her own fault since Holos are self-produced
>>They messed up Ina's visa
>They messed up Ina's EP release
Fair points
>>They made Sana stop the zodiac streams
Non issue that happens to basically everyone
>>They put pressure on Kiara for her second album sales
Good? This shit isn't a charity, and it motivated to push her sales up, and told her it was selling well
>>They didn't let Sana stream with a PNG until she recovered
Another non-issue, just leave the L2D afk lol
>>They made Haachama stop her schizo videos she had fun making
This was fine in abstract since she was dragging that shit on forever with no real plan or purpose until they asked her to stop
>>They didn't let Haachama do vlog videos the way she wanted to
rrat
>>They tried to change Kronii's album style to something she didn't like
Kronii quite literally doesn't have an album
>>They made Mumei change the video of Dan dan don don
Non issue, editing like 4 secs of Hindenburg footage is a massive nothingburger
>>They botched Mumei's 3D Live
>>They botched Fauna's 3D Debut
Add more context, "botched" is too vague
>>109107265
>>Full color
Same issue as Kronii's song except Gura too lazy to actual work-through whatever issue there was
>>told gura to stop rping in enreco
They didn't tell her stop rping, they asked her stop lazily inserting herself into the Gonathan-Peral story as NTR antagonist
>>management ignores kroni on the basis
No???
>>several gura projects cancelled
>2026
>Still unironically believe in the "gura projects" meme when she can't even produce shit as an indie
>>cancelled nendos
Blame Goodsmile

>>109108144
>The basically her own fault since Holos are self-produced
>Good? This shit isn't a charity, and it motivated to push her sales up, and told her it was selling well
so management doesn't help with the songs because they're "self-produced" but they'll get uppity about lacking sales because it's "not a charity"?

>>109108358
Anon don't be fucking dense
There's a massive difference in a girl ostensibly being her own producer when comes to making a song and uploading it to youtube VS Cover itself having step in to produce the materials like CDs and Jewel cases, commission an artist for cover art and handling the logistics of shipping all those CDs out across the world
If they've made about 5000~ copies her album but only sold 2000 within the first few weeks of it being up for sale, they're obvious gonna ask her to shill it a bit more (which worked since the last time she mentioned it, they said it was doing well)

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>>109108144
They made Haachama stop her schizo videos she had fun making
This was fine in abstract since she was dragging that shit on forever with no real plan or purpose until they asked her to stop.

>> Haachama already created final conclusion video for end her story but they don't like it demand her delete all of it and not argue with me about this. This made Haachama cried in her mem stream.

>>They didn't let Haachama do vlog videos the way she wanted to
Rrat

Not rrat because they add some more restrictions to her after that series video.

T. Haaton passing by

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>>109106219
>delayed and didn't give Mumei her one million sub wish
>didn't let Mumei or Gura use the studio for their final 3D show
>Selen'd Gura's Full Colors and Bae's Mind Craft song
>lied to Mumei about the nendoroid which she really cared about
>didn't give Kiara a nendoroid
>deleted the EN server once again after Fauna finally builted her grand tree
>tossed Gura's statue out of the Cover office
>deleted Mumei and Fauna from ENreco despite the former still being around
>got lazy with perms with Kronii
>excluded the EN members that didn't live in Japan from the Hologra

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>>109106219
Let's see Saba's songs now that she's not in hololive anymore and she can release as many as she wants.

>>109109382
>Bae's Mind Craft song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuGEpICY2o
Faggot

>>109108144
>>>cancelled nendos
>Blame Goodsmile
There are small indie vtubers who get nendos they definitely would have earned money selling a Mumei nendo. Cover was angry with Mumei so they cancelled her nendo the same way they kept delaying her 1 million wish outfit so that she would never get it. Hololive did a lot of vindictive shit to Mumei in her last year and it will be absurdly suspicious if the Promise nendos aren't shown at the 2026 Wonder Festival.

>>109109813
Why do they hate Mumei so much?

>>109109813
I don't get how this keeps being an argument. The only say in when the figure gets released is up to Good Smile. Cover sells them the rights, but they can't push Good Smile to release them, lol

Does Holo even have a booth at Wonfes? Last time I checked, Good Smile won't have a dedicated one and they will probably show stuff at the expo.

>>109109813
>There are small indie vtubers who get nendos they definitely would have earned money selling a Mumei nendo.
Ogey? That's a just non-sequitur and has nothing to do with how Goodsmile chooses to do their production
>Cover was angry with Mumei so they cancelled her nendo
Cringe fan fic
>same way they kept delaying her 1 million wish outfit so that she would never get it.
This literally did not happen, she put the request in for a 3D outfit while only having like 2-ish month left in the company knowing full well the waitlist is about 9-12 months long

>>109106219
>They made Mumei change the video of Dan dan don don
You don't even know what you're talking about.
First, Mumei herself said she wanted to change it because she didn't like some of the scenes amd she had made the mistake of trusting Kanauru to approach the subject matter with tact. She didn't have time to review it before publishing it because she received the finished animation minutes before she uploaded it.

Second, both Mumei and Gura are literally Jewish. Kanauru replaced the nazi symbols on the Hindenburg with KFP and Kiara is Austrian. If you don't understand why that might have been awkward for them, you're a moron.
>inb4 you bring up the "holocast" joke
It's obviously different when they reference a jew joke themselves or laugh at the awkwardness of the proposed title, and it was legitimately funny regardless. The Kiara = Nazi hindenburg stuff involved other people and probably offended Kiara.

Third, unlike the other stuff, the challenger disaster was not that long ago. So including it was stupid. It would have been like Kanuru inserting a 9/11 joke into her MV wothout her knowing.
Fourth, Kanauru is a retarded faggot.

>>109110294
>put the request in for a 3D outfit while only having like 2-ish month left
anon, she submitted it early 2024 and was told it'd be ready for her birthday live. that's why she had to change the theming entirely at the last minute, it wasn't ready

>>109111481
>Source: dream walking

>>109112241
The sources for each point in order are:
1. Mumei's own stream talking about the MV.
2. Shachi twitter post from 2019 talking about how Attack on Titan is not an allegory for the holocaust and she knows this "as a jew". Gura's submarine captain aunt talked about her Israel birthright trip in a college alumni interview.
3. The Challenger Disaster was on January 28, 1986 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster
4. https://x.com/kanauru

>>109112200
>anon, she submitted it early 2024
Anon she didn't hit 1 million until January 26th 2024, we don't actually know *when* specifically she summitted the request which aligns with timetable of it being in the works when she chose to leave

>>109111481
>she had made the mistake of trusting Kanauru
no source for this you stupid nigger

>>109112833
During her stream, she literally said she did not have time to check it. That inherently means she trusted Kanauru to not put porn or controversial things or other stupid shit in the MV, which he did. He put in a bunch of stupid shit that Mumei wanted removed because it was about Nazis and a recent national tragedy.
So are you retarded, anon? Do you not understand what words mean?
Now it's your turn. Where is the evidence that it was actually *Cover* that *forced* her to edit the MV? Mind you, any such evidence will have to be strong enough to contradict Mumei's own words.
I cited my sources. If you can't provide a source or even circumstantial evidence towards her being forced to change the MV, then you're a stupid nog that should suck-start a shotgun.

>>109112709
>>109112805
don't forget to swallow after you finish sucking that corpo cock faggot

>>109113068
All you did was show us that you never watched Mumei.
That's why you got btfo'd.

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>>109106219
>nijinigger Discord raid

>>109113028
>That inherently
That's just what the voices in your head told you. You're trying to pass it off as fact, don't do that, dung-eating retard.
>Where is the evidence that it was actually *Cover* that *forced*
There is no hard evidence for anything, however there exist some supporting points for Mumei being the edgy person in this story.

Clearly you had certain agendas coming into this thread. And why are you this mad over me calling you out? Calm down you sperging faggot.

Attention everyone
Sex with Gura
That's all

>>109113439
>That's just what the voices in your head told you.
No, that's progression of simple logic. Mumei told us she didn't have time to check the MV before she uploaded it and so she wasn't aware of what Kanauru put in it. She told us she took it down to request changes be made to it after realizing what was in it. That means only one of three possible things: either
she didn't care what was in it
OR
she trusted Kanauru to not put anything bad in it.
OR
she was lying and actually wanted the challenger disaster scene and the scene alluding to Kiara being a Nazi but Cover made her change it

Approaching the discussion in good faith means assuming Mumei was telling the truth and that she actually cared about her projects, and thus, that only leaves the second option.

>Clearly you had certain agendas coming into this thread.
Saying I have "an agenda" is a cop out. It doesn't address any of my points against what you're saying and you are using it in an attempt to divert the conversation away from the facts at hand.
It's not going to work.
Besides, it's a worthless tautology. Everyone has an "agenda" or biases or reason for wanting to enter a discussion. The only "agenda" I had coming into this thread was to set the record staight about Mumei's MV, raise awareness of the OP's disingenuous and false claims, and generally call you a retard. Because you are. And worse, you're a retard that doesn't even watch Mumei. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else here thinks of Cover.

>>109113849
>that's progression of simple logic
It only progresses when you accept her words at face value, and by doing that you're biased, therefore you had certain goals coming into this thread. Mumei, Cover, and Kanauru could all be lying, as they were forced to by public pressure. Nonetheless, the supporting points are still there "Mumei was the edgy person in this story", Kanauru has always been known to be the made-to-order person. He was never known to be edgy.

I don't think a minor change by a 3rd party animator is really what's driving Cover's management struggles