>>109255635
She'd be worse off

I hate this narrative that Sayu was somehow unreasonable in trying to fight back against the slander and shit Niji had her genmates throw at her. No one took her seriously because they all lapped up Niji's lies or feared Anycolor's power, but when that the dissent she sowed finally erupted into revolt with Selen's termination, everyone who disowned Sayu began sucking up to Doki while pretending Sayu didn't exist, because doing so would force them to admit their own cowardice. And even today, nijisisters use Sayu as a wedge issue. KYS OP.

>>109255635
>dokibird lays the foundation of her fame by pursuing drama
>attracts dramafags as her core fanbase
>need to pursue even more drama or else her core fanbase will shrink faster than in this timeline
two possible end states:
>dokibird failed to maintain relevance, fanbase implodes, she is now a nobody like notzaion and nottwisty. nijisanji wins.
>dokibird continues to be relevant through grifting, like befriending asmon and catfighting big indies (sinder, IM, etc). dragoons became the most toxic fandom in all of vtubing.

>>109255671
fpbp
It was a perfect storm of circumstances that allowed her to move on without having to involve herself in the drama or defend herself directly. Diving back into that dumpster fire would've hurt her more in the long run than focusing on her own content.

Sayu unfortunately got fucked due to her small size. She did what she could but she couldn't really fight back all alone and was playing from behind for the past three years.

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Since we are talking about Sayu, friendly reminder that she:
>Told Dragoons who showed up after Selen's termination to apologize for not believing her that it was about damn time they listened, no gratitude. >>99728498
>Melted down on stream because other ex-Nijis stay away from her, said she'll whore herself out if vtubing doesn't pay the bills >>76498640
>Chewed out everyone who warned her not to join the shady chinese Corpo >>89802634
>Flipped out on everyone who thought someone had hacked her when she shared a sketchy dating service, called her fans terminally online >>82493844
>Thanked her most devoted schizo for flaming other content creators in her name. >>88375928

>>109255989
I was one of the doubters when Sayu got shitcanned. After the same thing happened to Doki, I gave monthly subs to both of them. Mea culpa.

Sayu's a lot more chill now, I like her.

>>109256551
>Sayu unfortunately got fucked due to her small size. She did what she could but she couldn't really fight back all alone and was playing from behind for the past three years.
Yep. And small size or not, she had every right to fight back.

Delusional projection. Gifterbird outwardly distanced herself from the hatemob and harassment because she knew it would look bad to the normalfags she needed on her side, but the dog whistles and behind the scenes fuckery is obvious to anyone with a brain. She just gave the mildest non combative "please be nice okay thanks" statements without every calling a single person out or saying they aren't welcome, and all the while her closest allies were coordinating that #whereisselen AstroTurf campaign from their private dragooncord servers. Nyfco actually found a repentant participant who was about to spill the beans on this operation, but then he mysteriously "disappeared" before any dirty laundry could come out. Knowing that at least one anti outwardly threatened violence against anyone who went to a concert forcing, Anycolor to cancel it... Who knows what her cultists are capable of?

>>109257804
>Nyfco actually found a repentant participant who was about to spill the beans on this operation
lmaoooooooo sure they did anon

>>109255671
fpbp

>>109255635

>>109257804
Haven't seen you in a while, Dokischizo

>>109255635
>Self destruct
She spent two weeks attacking Nijisanji, threatening to post her document and then clammed up when lawyers got involved.

She then spent months "reclaiming" what Niji took, including friends that actually weren't anti Niji but she knew that pretending like they were was good for her views. She ghosted anyone in Niji who tried talking to her until they created a sufficient amount of anti Niji drama after graduation. She continues to not so stealthily insult Niji and Niji members to this day. Such as her attempt to sing songs insulting Vox at concerts

>>109260511
>sing songs insulting Vox at concerts
Wait, what?

>>109260511
Anon, have you considered getting some help, getting some meds, or both?

>>109261036
Both Doki and Mint both said Doki wanted to sing "Stayed Gone" from Hazbin Hotel which is a song where a demon called Vox gets insulted and belittled

Mint eventually just convinced Doki to sing that coffee song instead

>>109260511
Oh. And she manufactured some drama about a street fighter tournament by lying about the organizers allowing her to kick Niji out of it while pretending to be benevolent despite Nijisanji supposedly triggering her

>>109262898
Fagoon deflection

>>109255989
Objectively correct take but people on this board hate victims that couldn't fight back successfully
>>109255989
>everyone who disowned Sayu began sucking up to Doki while pretending Sayu didn't exist
I'll never forget CyYu's blatant act, it was very tasteless
>>109256283
You can't really clump Sayu with true nobodies like Twisty, Quinn, and Asster though

>>109260511
I don't know if you're inhaling too much white powder, or not enough of it; but if you believe what you wrote, then you are not taking the correct amount of that "medicine"

>>109256845
She got a bunch of stuff like convention trips and assets paid for by the Chinese corpo, what was so bad about them

>>109255989
>fight back against the slander
She admitted to doing everything they said she did
>but when that the dissent she sowed finally erupted
She spent years seething and convinced Vshojo to spread anti Niji garbage so they could poach and abuse the talents they stole from Niji. Even personally attacked some talents

>>109255635
Why hasn't this funny tomato collabed with the peanut?

>>109264890
>>109264890
>She admitted to doing everything they said she did
Damn she really made that deez nuts joke, never mind she's an evil bitch
>>109264890
>convinced Vshojo to spread anti Niji garbage
So she was the real reason behind Vshojo's success, I see. Also, saving good Nijis from Niji, regardless of how it ended, was a morally good thing
The ones who got poached should unironically thank her for that

>>109264890
>everything they said she did
Remind me again, which ones on that long ass bullet list were so heinous that it justified the tarring and feathering?

>>109265759
The multiple bad jokes about the rape of a highschool girl in game. Also the one where she liked posts of others attacking other NijiEN members

>>109265461
>Thinks Niji is worse than Vshojo
>Vshojo who didn't actually pay their talents, is now forcing the talents to pay them, lied to them, stole from a charity, and purposely caused drama between vtubers in the company

kek

>>109261036
>>109263421
>which is a song where a demon called Vox gets insulted and belittled
No, it's specifically about an arrogant retard who thought he was a king shitting his pants because somebody he thought he got rid of came back. (Hence, he should've "Stayed Gone")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFAxcn00JE
It's hauntingly prophetic considering it came out right before the termination.

>>109265958
Cool, how come other livers got away with rape jokes
Also why are the extraneous bullet points there
And what posts were there besides one "fuck Kyo" comment hidden by YouTube

>>109266029
>Ex-livers came out of Vshojo with much higher viewership and more business opportunities than they ever would have if they stayed with Niji
Yeah I'd say Vshojo trumps Niji

>>109266290
>Mysta flops in Vshojo
>Nina flops in Vshojo
>Pomu got fucked before she even debuted in Vshojo
>Kyo got scammed by Vshojo
>The only person doing better is Mika and it's because she completely abandoned Indonesia. Never even in NijiEN

Yeah, I'd say that should have just stayed in Niji

>>109266238
Because the rape joke wasn't "She's hot, I'd rape her" and "let's see if I can get her raped"

>>109265958
>Also the one where she liked posts of others attacking other NijiEN members
Kyo liked a post under Sayu's hard dox saying it was deserved.
Then he commented on it saying he agreed.
That "fuck kyo" post seems tame in comparison.

And then two years later he bitched on his flesh stream about how some people got mad at him for it.

>>109266510
>Kyo liked a post under Sayu's hard dox saying it was deserved.
Never happened. He liked a post from a vtuber that was some vague post that he didn't realize was about Zaion. Then he deleted it and explained he thought it was about genshin drama. Which Sayu outright admitted is actually happened

>Sincrocuck deliberately ignoring that Sayu herself said Kyo didn't do anything but that she appreciated people harassing him anyway
lol

>>109266431
>4view without a black company taking half of your revenue
>3view with nerfed viewership and 2% merch cut
Hmm which one is better, tough choice

>>109266458
Oh gotcha, so some rape jokes are ok in NijiEN, good to know when I apply

>>109266431
And yet every single one of them is outperforming all of NijisanjiEN.
Well, other than Kyo and Hex but nobody cares about those guys except for niji fans after the shit they've pulled.

>>109266431
Kyo couldn't even get in, he couldn't get scammed to begin witn

>>109266819
Jokes supporting rape isn't the equivalent of joking about rape. Hope you understand

>>109255989
spbp

>>109266860
>Matara is a 3view who has become completely irrelevant when she's not holding onto drama
>Kuro outright said he was doing better in Niji

Only doing as decent as they were in Niji is Pomu. And that's after leeching harder than Mika did to NijiEN

>>109266920
So rape is ok to joke about in Niji if you do it "right"

>>109266708
oh its sayuschizo
yeah, I remember those threads and no, she just said she appreciated that for once she had people defending her after the niji fiasco, but that she didn't want any of her fans to harass anyone.

Which is more than Kyo gave Zaion. The words "Please don't harass her" or "please don't harass them" is a phrase that has never left his (or most of NijiEN's) lips.

>>109266762
>4view
Twitch numbers
>Not a black company
KEK
>Taking half of your revenue
Yeah, in exchange, they pocket all of the merch and sponsor money then force you to pay them
>3view
NijiEN is somehow both only full of 3views and only full of people who bot to become 4views

>>109266920
>Jokes supporting rape isn't the equivalent of joking about rape.
Ah, gotcha.
So when Kotoka taught Riku a joke about a japanese girl who got raped, it was okay because she wasn't supporting rape, just joking about somebody who was raped.

>>109267084
>A Japanese girl that got raped
Never happened. Keep on trying

>>109267075
>Not a black company
Vshojo being black wasn't the point, but sisters can't read I guess
>NijiEN is somehow both only full of 3views and only full of people who bot to become 4views
Correct, and they all make jack shit for it

>>109267046
No. What actually happened is that Sayu personally thanked her most well known schizo after he admitting to religiously attacking Quinn because she was "happy somebody cared enough to defend her that much"

>>109267357
Could you blame her considering the last time she was in drama, everyone was against her and harassed her for 2 years?
Probably felt like that girl had people on her side for the first time in her life.
And then she told them to not harass anyone, which again was more than Kyo was doing.

>>109267457
>That didn't happen
>Actually it did but it was justified
Retard. Also Kyo constantly said to not spread hate

>>109266431
Nah, Mint's been able to do a bunch of stuff that she couldn't do as Pomu because Niji management's incompetence. Remaining in Niji would have just made her more miserable.

>>109267758
>Also Kyo constantly said to not spread hate
Sure he did.
And I don't know what you think is contradictory. She told people she was grateful they actually cared, but then immediately told them not to do it again and to never harass anyone.

Which, as I've said before, is more than Kyo afforded to Zaion.

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>>109268022
>Still lying
Where does she tell this faggot to stop harassing people

>>109267938
>Mint's been able to do a bunch of stuff that she couldn't do as Pomu
Like?

>>109268827
All the MGS collabs she could ever want. Also, since this is a doki thread, be with Doki post termination.

>>109255635
The best revenge is living well. She is having her revenge.

>>109268022
Don't bother anon, arguing with a gigaretard like sayuschizo is a fool's errand, you're never going to convince her

>>109268827
Have input on her outfits (Niji didn't allow her to have input while allowing it for others)
Have 3D models (plural) she can actually use (Niji not only gave her a broken 3D model, but they wouldn't allow her to use it for Home3D either)
Release the merch she wants to release (Niji management wouldn't even allow her to release an acrylic stand)
Participate in a bunch of 3D events that Niji management denied her from doing before (most notably Kiara's birthday 3D)
Have a sololive (something nobody in NijiEN has been able to do yet)
Collaborate with an outside record/music group to release physical music CDs in stores in Japan (Niji management shot this down, recall the privated Pomu members stream)
Get invited to dozens of conventions all over the US (Niji management denied all invites outside of Anime Impulse)
Do custom voicepacks again (Niji hasn't done them again since 2020)
I also doubt they would have allowed her to participate in MGSCon, where she got to interview Cynthia Harrell (who sings Snake Eater)
There's more stuff but you get the gist of it.

>>109260511
>including friends that actually weren't anti Niji but she knew that pretending like they were was good for her views
Holy fucking lazucope

>>109269062
>MGS collabs
She could already do that
>Collab with Doki
She could already do that
>>109269909
>Have input on her outfits
She could already do that
>Wahhh Niji didn't let her add things into an outfit that was already finished
Cry more
>Have 3D models
They could already do that
>Release the merch she wants to release
They're literally doing that right now
>Participate in a bunch of 3D events
They already do that
>Have a sololive (something nobody in NijiEN has been able to do yet)
LMAO Ren's was a month ago
>Collaborate with an outside record/music group to release physical music CDs in stores
They could already do that because Niji JP already did so. Your schizo larp is not reality
>Do custom voice packs
They can already do this. By releasing it for free on their channel
>They wouldn't be able to interview someone
Vox has been interviewing people since he debuted

>>109271580
>She could already do that
And yet they didn't let her
>They could already do that
Then why didn't they let her?
>They're literally doing that right now
Nope, and in fact Nijisanij stopped producing in-house merch for EN and instead outsourced it to an outside company. And even before that, what they released wasn't merch that the livers wanted to release, but merch management wanted to release. Sometimes they would allow the livers to have input, sure, but it's always been what management wants to release.
>They already do that
I'll take your word for it, but back when Pomu was still in NijiEN they denied her from doing so.
>LMAO Ren's was a month ago
That's not a sololive. A sololive refers to a physical in-venue concert for a single individual. NijiJP has had some (for example: https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/2004102356598927383 ), but EN has not had one yet.
>They could already do that because Niji JP already did so. Your schizo larp is not reality
NijiJP yes, NijiEN no. And it's not just a theory, Mint said it herself.
>They can already do this. By releasing it for free on their channel
Not everyone wants their requests to be public.
>Vox has been interviewing people since he debuted
Has he interviewed famous celebrities? His "Under the table" or w/e interview shows have just been with other vtubers.

>>109272047
>But they didn't let her
Sounds like a her issue
>Nijisanji stopped making NijiEN merch
Kek, what a retarded cope. Plus Claude has been outright saying that they go to managers to try getting merch they suggest produced. Do you think because they shot down booby and ass mousepads that they don't get anything?
>I'll take your word for it
Don't. It's publicly available information. They're constantly doing 3D things now
>Errr sololives have to be in person
No they don't. A sololive is a concert primarily focused on a single member. So Ren had a sololive
>Mint already said so
Mint said they turned down a collab. Not that they weren't allowed to be on CDs
>Their requests
They can do voice packs for free. Hell, they even write the scripts for their own voice packs
>He only interviewed other vtubers
Most of these vtubers are more famous than the lady who sang Snake Eater

>>109271580
least disabled niji sister

>>109272548
>>MGS collabs
>>She could already do that
>>But they didn't let her
>>Sounds like a her issue
what schizo logic are you using
Could always do that, literally got told no and the collab was given to Cali cause fuck Elira

>>109255671
fpbp and anyone that thinks otherwise needs a reality check.

>>109272548
>Sounds like a her issue
Her issue with Nijisanji management, yes.
>Plus Claude has been outright saying that they go to managers to try getting merch they suggest produced. Do you think because they shot down booby and ass mousepads that they don't get anything?
Claude also said they could get their Youtube Play Buttons "If they just fucking asked", which we know is a lie. And what management shot down for Pomu was an acrylic stand of the one she launched into space for her Lazulight VtL cover.
>No they don't. A sololive is a concert primarily focused on a single member. So Ren had a sololive
Yes they do. Just look at the NijiEN twitter. They didn't call Ren's 3D live a "solo live", but they did for Kagami and Akina. The difference? A physical venue.
>Mint said they turned down a collab. Not that they weren't allowed to be on CDs
Mint said it was a deal with an outside record/music group, having a physical CD release is just icing on the cake.
>They can do voice packs for free. Hell, they even write the scripts for their own voice packs
Custom voicepacks are individual, personalized voicepacks requested by each fan. NijiEN hasn't done those since 2021.
>Most of these vtubers are more famous than the lady who sang Snake Eater
I somehow doubt that LMAO

>>109273193
>Her issue with Nijisanji management
Her issue was responsibility
>Claude is lying
The final cope considering the girls were able to get their own plushies
>They called it a sololive for Niji JP
Ren's is also called a live concert where he is the star. So it's a sololive
>It was a music group
Never said it was because it was a music group
>Custom voice packs were personalized for fans
Sounds terrible, good thing they stopped doing that
>He thinks iron mouse isn't more famous than the lady who sang Snake Eater
Lol

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If Doki kept going and nijisanji took her to court and lost she would've killed herself a third time.

>>109274355
>Her issue was responsibility
Yeah, a lack of responsibility by management.
>The final cope considering the girls were able to get their own plushies
Got a timestamp of any of the girls saying that they requested those from management?
>Ren's is also called a live concert where he is the star. So it's a sololive
Except that is literally not how Nijisanji itself categorizes them.
>Sounds terrible, good thing they stopped doing that
How so?
>He thinks iron mouse isn't more famous than the lady who sang Snake Eater
Ironmouse isn't famous outside of the twitch community, but Vox never interviewed her anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVR-EIcYx6tFt-3NHDxod37JllWTWobvP
>Shoto, Scarle, Ike, Kenji, Shylily, Fulgur, Doppio, RT Game

>>109274569
>It was Management's fault
Strange cope when literally nobody else had this problem
>A timestamp
Read the tweets
>That's not how Nijisanji categorizes them
Them not explicitly saying it's a sololive doesn't mean it's not one
>Why do personalized, steamy voice packs sound like a bad idea?
Figure it out
>Gives a list of names all more famous than snake eater lady
Funny

>>109274864
>Strange cope when literally nobody else had this problem
One other liver actually did, but you don't watch NijiEN so you wouldn't know.
>Read the tweets
Link the tweets saying that the girls themselves requested management to have those plushies.
>Them not explicitly saying it's a sololive doesn't mean it's not one
Yes it does. Nijisanji itself (Hololive too) only categorize ones in venues as "solo lives". No matter how much you try to cope, that's what Nijisanji itself says.
>Why do personalized, steamy voice packs sound like a bad idea?
You tell me. They aren't forced to say things they don't want to say, but there's nothing wrong with fans submitting their own personalized requests.
>Gives a list of names all more famous than snake eater lady
Now you're just being retarded.

>>109275127
>Someone else did once
rormao
>Doesn't read that they're funded to prove the demand exists for personalized merch
Kek
>They didn't explicitly call it a sololive despite it clearly being one
You're being retarded
>They're practically whores but they're not forced to be. They just don't get the thousands of dollars
lol
>He thinks internet celebs aren't more famous than a lady known for singing one song in one game
Hysterical

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>>109268346
Well that was easy to find.
Surprised you didn't see it while stalking her twitters

>>109275464
>>Doesn't read that they're funded to prove the demand exists for personalized merch
Link the tweet saying the plushies were requested by the girls.
>>They didn't explicitly call it a sololive despite it clearly being one
It doesn't meet the industry definition of a sololive - a definition that Nijisanji itself follows, so no it's not a sololive.
>>They're practically whores but they're not forced to be. They just don't get the thousands of dollars
You're getting very lost in the sauce right now.
>>He thinks internet celebs aren't more famous than a lady known for singing one song in one game
They're called internet celebs for a reason: because they aren't celebrities in real life

>>109268827
Mint alone had more public singing events in 2024 than she did during her entire tenure as Pomu.
She was at what, 15 separate concerts or live singing events including her first paid 3D concert?

>>109275938
>Don't attack anyone
>That hasn't said or done anything towards us
>I appreciate people attacking others that speak ill of me

Wowzers, this makes her sound worse

>>109274864
plenty of people had issues sister plugging your ears and sticking your head in the sand doesn't make you right

>>109276062
>Industry definition
>One he just made up
KEK
>Doesn't actually answer
Common
>E celebs aren't celebs in real life
They're more of a celebrity than a singer known for a single song from a video game

>>109276201
>Guest appearances count!
Sad, so very sad

>>109274355
>Ren's is also called a live concert where he is the star. So it's a sololive
Oh really? Where can I purchase live tickets? What venue is he using?

>>109276416
By that logic, the entirety of NijiEN drops to 0, anon.
You sure you want to go down this route?

>>109276501
A sololive is a concert primarily focused on a single talent. This is the basic definition from Google. Are online concerts not concerts now?

>>109276548
Blatantly ignores everyone in EN having 3D debuts and most being in multiple concerts
Desperate, aren't we?

>>109276569
>A sololive is a concert primarily focused on a single talent
+held in a physical in-person venue.
That's the definition used by everyone in the vtuber industry. You might not like it, but that's the way it is.

>>109276755
>Copes more
I feel sorry for you

where did this nijien fag come from? I thought they all left

>>109276971
It's likely a Phasefag trying to deflect from their yabs. They aren't showcasing any knowledge of Nijisanji that wasn't taken from the catalog. Also explains why they don't know the definition of a solo live, as Phase has not had one.

>>109276628
>Blatantly ignores everyone in EN having 3D debuts and most being in multiple concerts
>3D debuts
In live venues? You sure about that?
And for concerts, you mean as guests, right? When was the last time anybody visited a venue to watch an Elira concert?

Nijisanji would have burned to the ground had Doki wished. Sisters should be grateful every day that Anycolor's HQ still stands.

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>>109255635
sex with Doki's true form

>>109276292
Is that third sentence in the room with us right now sayuschizo?

>>109255635
You don't get anywhere in modern day internet by bringing people down.
You build your fanbase by being completely inoffensive and drama-free.
To the point where your loyal fanbase thinks anything out of line is surely a mistake.

>>109277135
>Concerts aren't concerts unless they're in person and solo lives
The final cope

>>109276292
With your level of literacy, if Sayu wrote the Bible you'd probably interpret it as a satanic grimoire

>>109279349
Anon, the point was that Mint had these these in person events and Pomu didn't.
Cope and seethe, etc.

>>109279074
>>109279772
>Sincrocucks actually trying to argue that "standing up for me" isn't just weasel code for "harassing people for me"
Pathetic

>>109267004
>Matara is a 3view
She's a 4view. She dual streams and her main viewership is on Twitch.
https://twitchtracker.com/matarakan
>Kuro outright said he was doing better in Niji
Nijisisters keep on misquoting him and taking what he says out context. He acknowledged that he was far bigger in Niji, but he stated he would never trade it back for what he has post-Niji. He said his time in Niji was the most fucked up mentally he had ever been due to having to deal with the toxic community who would harass him and his family and friends.

>>109280923
>Umm actually defense is actually offense
Seethe harder

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>>109280923
>case in point
You're not ESL, you're ETL lmao

>>109255989
I don't think anyone outside of nijisisters ofc genuinely think she was in any sort of wrong regarding how she reacted to her termination, but you straight up can't deny that she had a really shitty attitude towards chat the first 2 years returning, and got into self inflected yabs constantly post-niji. That's what personally got me to stop watching her and I wouldn't doubt that alot of other sincroknights quit over it, too.

Imo if Doki went the full Sayu route and doomered constantly it would have caused her to quit the industry.

>>109255635
I don't see how anything would be gained from this. Has Sayu gained anything from it?

>>109256283
And somehow none of these happened. Faggot.

>>109283474
I think Sayu's immediate post-Niji behavior was inevitable given that her "friends" decided that instead of supporting her they would side with Niji instead. She didn't have the same support system that Doki had, and never even had the time to set one up. It was truly unfortunate but this always happens for the "first" victim

?

>>109281481
>Twitch numbers
lol
>Yeah, he said he was doing better in Niji. But he complained about the hate
Funny how that works

>>109283197
>Uh, you said Sayu actually deserved to be fired so we're justified in harassing you

>>109285587
Yup. Doki was Niji EN's Chernobyl, and Sayu was Niji EN's Ignalina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignalina_Nuclear_Power_Plant#Incidents

>>109285587
>Sayu's immediate post-Niji behavior was inevitable
Nobody forced her to be a fucking bitch. Nobody forced her to run to dramafags and Vshojo to try to ruin NijiEN

>>109287994
>Nooooo you're not supposed to retaliate after we fucked you over!!!!!
Not surprised that a sister has pro-rapist tendencies

>>109287750
This but unironically, TOTAL NIJISISTER DEATH

>>109288424
>Calls nijifans pro rapist
>Defends vtuber who thinks rape is justifiable
Uhhh

>>109288992
>One has apologized for her mistake multiple times
>The other still thinks theyve done nothing wrong
Uhhhh

>>109288424
Victim blaming is the Nijisanji way

>>109287721
You say that like YouTube numbers don't get botted
>Funny how that works
He was doing better number-wise, but his mental health was at an all time low and he didn't want to stream anymore. The Nijisanji fanbase is far more toxic than the VShojo/indie fanbase, regardless of numbers.

>>109288992
>>Defends vtuber who thinks rape is justifiable
Yeah, like Kotoka and Vox!

ITT:
>>90% of the responses are relitigating a two year old fight over who was in the right during the Selen shock.
>>Of that 90%, 50% appear to come from two posters just going "nu'uh" to each other.
>>10% of the responses are to engage OP's counterfactual.

>>109294118
I mean, what else did you expect