https://x.com/demenishki/status/2021975235994726741Deme (quite large indie twitch vtuber) has just posted about how many vtubers in the sphere are shamelessly viewbotting and nobody is doing anything about it.The one vtuber she mentioned is Oliviamonroe that is apparently farming massive sponsor money by faking her views. When deme reached to Olivia's talent agency (Mythic Talent, that has many indie vtubers on twitch), they said that it's not their problem.Are most of vtubers just blatantly viewbotting their numbers?
>>109413595Yes. I think you'll find this is not isolated to vtubers either.
>>109413595>woman jealous of another more successful womanmany such cases
She’s right but singling someone out like that is gonna cause issuesOlivia IS heavily botted but I don’t think she’s botting herself so there’s really nothing to be done about it
>>10941359599% of the "content" this bitch does is stares at videos made by other creators and reuploads them on youtube
>>109413595>that budget could have wentESLqueen
>>109413595Deme is a fat BPD retard
>>109413595>Seething roastie mad that other girl is doing good
>>109413595This is such an asshole thing to do because most people who can recognize viewbotting understand that the streamer isn't always the person doing it, but retarded twitter users will not understand that. She just directed a lot of hate towards oli which she might not deserve.I'm normally pretty charitable but it's hard not to see this as a jealous petty move
deme defended burntpeanut from viewbotting and attacks other vtubers
>>109413595>(quite large indie vtuber)No kidding
>>109413595BAAAAAAAASED
This will fail because Oli is well liked and Deme is a retarded drama clown.
>>109413595Why do seanigs always have to cause problems? Dumb fucking cripple
Dick move
>>109413595It sounded like she tried getting Olivia dropped from Mythic and they told her to fuck off, now the plan is xitter cancelingShould have accused her of a racism or supporting ICE, she is friends with Phase girls after all
Women try not to tear each other down challenge (Impossible)
>>109414209This is a collab / connection suicide for her too lol. In such a niche sphere like indie twitch vtubers, pointing finger at one and even bringing the one of the largest talent agencies Mythic Talent into it, that has a looot of the largest indie vtubers under it is like suicide.
>>109413595Deme talked about it ON STREAM too going over this girl's twitch trackerhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/2695838981?t=2h26m12s
>>109413595Pretty sure she is right. I wonder what larger names Deme is avoiding mentioning since so many are doing it.
>>109413595But it's ok when burnt peanut does it?
>>109414209>>109414288To add, IIRC Olivia is dealing with one of her parents' bad health these days, so a public namecalling like this will probably look especially bad in the eye of the court of public opinion
>>109414386
>>109414380literally SEETHING from jealousy holy shit
>>109413710>more successfulhttps://www.youtube.com/@OliviamonroeVodArchive/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@OliviaMonroeVT/shortshttps://www.tiktok.com/@oliviamonroe_vt?lang=en7k ccv on Twitch by the way
>>109414437she literally defends peanut in her rant lmao >>109414380
>>109413812That's what 99% of all indies that aren't ex-corpo do.
>>109413595Isn't she fat and lives with the boyfriend that stabbed her?
>>109413812she literally barely counts as a creator, she doesnt really create anything
>>109413595>>109414380buy an ad
>>109413595Based
Olivia Monroe is Shondo adjacent, of course she's trash
>>109414440Not just her dad, but herself as wellShe has a surgery coming up in a couple of weeks
>>109413981>pretends she’s not getting botted for years, does nothing to stop it>spams sponsors left and right with the boosted numbers>never raids anyone>gives the fake gfe which is objectively inferior to the natural gfe provided by superior vtubers
>>109414510Yes lol, he spat on her, beat her and then stabbed her in the thigh with a knife when she tried to stop him from cutting himself.She had a whole arc about finally being "a free woman" and how she can now be loud in her own home without being scared etc.Then she let him move back in 1 month later.
>>109413595Hang , rape and quarter all twitter screencap posters
>>109413595Oli can barely muster 8k for her cover>Has no dedicated fan artists or cosplayers>No one outside of /here/ knows who she is>Yet, she is somehow a 4viewYeah, she's botted
>>109414288Some people just can't help themselves from starting drama. They'll act like they're totally justified too.
>>109414509Nah, she is an extra vile case.Most indies at least do some zatsu or games on the side, but she literally just does reactslop for 95% of her streams. The other 5% is her trying to tell herself it's actually ok to weigh 300lb as a 5" woman.
>Olicord ittPathetic
>>109413595>Deme still assblasted at Olivia because she isn't a disgusting fatty like herGo to the gym and move on already bitch
>>109414485is she botting subs too?
>>109415003do we know what oli looks like?
>>109414581Stop grooming shondo
>>109415031you can't bot subs because that's actual money laundering
>>109415053We know that she's suffering multiple organ failure as a consequence of long-term malnourishment
>>109415031>5 new subs, 200 resubsPathetic numbers, someone her "size" will get way more than that. Oiler gifts don't count as sustainable income.
I have a feeling the thread didn't go in the direction OP was hoping it would go
>>109415031Are you joking? Those are extremely low numbers for subs considering she has 7k ccv.
>>109415108I have no dog in this fight, never heard of her before todaybut it does seem to be sustainable
>>109413595Deme your entire content is laughing at people with your 3DCG tits out. I don't think you get to whine about others. Also does she even have a source that Olivia's getting paid that much? I thought twitch filtered those out on their side regarding ad revenue and sponsorships.
>>109415031anon those are pretty shit sub numbers for 7K ccv 90% of her subs are gifted with only 200 normal subs
>>109414380okay how on earth do you attack one person and then defend theburntpeanut? Not to mention she's throwing stones in her own glass house.
>>109415031>438 total subs>appears to be trying to defend oli against the bot claimsI can't tell if you're a troll
>>109415031Vtubers usually have many oilers and complete die hard fans gifting subs left and right. If a vtuber has fewer subs than CCV it's already sus.
>>109415147Sub numbers are unreliable because only a relatively small percentage of subs are attentionwhore enough to announce it.
>>109415247Fuck off mate, they get their data directly from twitch not scraping chat like some services do
^demecord crashing out because this thread didn't go as they wanted^
>>109413714>Olivia IS heavily botted but I don’t think she’s botting herself so there’s really nothing to be done about itYeah /lig/ has been suspecting for a while that someone is doing it maliciously
>>109415031Meanwhile Ironmouse, another 7k vtuber, gets over 10k active subs every month. All you're doing with this table is showing further proof that Olivia is botted.
I'm not going to start watching you, deme. Put more effort into your streams.
>>109413714Except botting can be dealt with, but she chooses to instead benefit from it by pretending it's not happening and spamming sponsored streams.
>>109415361Deme makes an excellent point, why would someone bot her like this maliciously. Schizos are not subtle enough to bot their target just enough to make people go "huh, this is weird" they go for the 50k bots crash out. Feels very much like Olivia is doing it herself.
>>109415424>Except botting can be dealt withretard
>>109415239This isnt the case with lots of streamers who dont do subathons. A healthy number is 30% of ccv being subbed naturally.
>>109413595>quite largeheh, nice one OP
>>109415482the thing is she's always has massive spikes in botting around the time botting accusations would show up in /lig/, usually doubling her CCV. For example first time she was accused of botting in lig around the 3k CCV range, it suddenly doubled to 6k, and then when someone tried to bring up her botting again mid last year her CCV went from 6k to around 9-10k. It's a really weird pattern either way
>>109415482>why would someone bot her like this maliciously.Look at it the other way:Why would someone bot themselves so obviously?>Schizos are not subtle enoughPrecisely.
Imagine being so bored and having nothing going on in your life that u start this Drama. I never liked this cunt before and this just shows what a petty piece of dogshit she is. A good way to make more friends in the space you are working u fat Clown.
>>109415292That hasn't been true since 2024
>>109415490>retardNo need to announce your entrance. There are methods for dealing with bots. The fact that she doesn't even do the step of acknowledging that she is getting botted is very telling.
>>109415560hi zuma hope the moves going good
>>109413812holy grim
>>109415560Fake bitches like Olivia botting to get higher paid sponsors ruins it for other vtubers
>>109413595it's moraly acceptable to scam marketing company of their money
>>109415568nta, what are things she can do to stop it? I honestly don't know and would like to be informed
>>109414626She's not just any 4view but a high 4view at that. She mogs almost all current top indies and most of HoloEN with her numbers kek
>>109415606NTA but I don't like Deme and even I know she's one of the larger twitch chuubas. Youtube's barely an afterthought for most twitch streamers.
>>109415698I think Anon's criticizing the content, not the views
>>109415698what the fuck are you talking about retardshe's reuploading multiple hours of stolen "content" to youtube a week
>>109415568>There are methods for dealing with bots.yeah when they raid the chat
>>109415674botted views mean nothing in numbers awards
>>109415742Ah in that case, sure, I agree. She's lazy and all of her content is either lazy reactions or drama.
Deme won though
>>109415609>ruins it for other vtuberslike deme?
Why is it that whenever I see or hear about Deme she is always trying to start dramaAre her neverending reactslop streams not enough to pay rent or something?
>>109415799I know, just pointing it out how blatant her shit is.
>>109413595this the one who got stabbed by her bf and still stuck around?
>>109415832yes? deme was a bitch for doing this publicly but she's not wrong about it being a problem for other vtubers
>>109415031subs are more dependent on whales rather than raw CCV, so it's entirely possible.
>>109415568>There are methods for dealing with botsSuch as?
>>109415606Tbf, this is the same for pretty much all indies. They usually have a vod channel for games and shit too. But 90% of all their content is reactslop.
>>109415893if the other vtubers are all reactslop drama streamers, good.
>>109413595>not calling out holo whoresdon't care
>>109415848She's a "woman with virtual avatar" not a vtuber that mostly plays gun games with fleshtubers or grinds react content. The only time she's relevant to the vtubing community is when she's starting shit.
>>109415832Yes, maybe she could have gotten a sponsored react stream if it wasn't for that view botting whore!>Reacting to all State Farm tv ads! #sponsored
>>109415915https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2689659532>open random deme vod>4+ hours of stolen content>b-but they all do it it's normal!!!no they don't
I'm convinced that the /lig/ oli botter anti that spams that flawed website is Deme now. Seething femamon starting drama with nothing but vibes and a half baked pajeet scraper as evidence. I had no opinion on Deme before but now I know she's a cunt.
>>109415848It's because she actually hates vtubing but is too fat to flesh stream, so she lashes out at every opportunity
>"Oh wow that's serious allegation. I should look->Deme is Denpafish>"Nevermind."
Deme tends to be right about her takes but she has a dumb and unprofessional way of explaining them
>>109415915>t. dude who knows maybe the name of 5 indies in total
>>109416074That doesn't sound right.
>>109413595Didnt this happen with shylily i noticed that hers went down drastically.
>>109413595Look all i'm gonna say is if you go picking fights like this you had better have solid proof and you better not miss or its gonna look real bad for the accuser
>>109416074>Deme is Denpafishwhat? no.
>>109416074Even a retarded clock is right twice a day
>>109413595>Are most of vtubers just blatantly viewbotting their numbers?Nah, it's basically just Olivia + a few literally who's. On twitch at leastYou need a decent number of actual viewers for botting to work because it just looks ridiculous when the chat is dead at 4view+And the people who have a decent number of actual viewers don't usually feel the need to bot. As Deme stated, the only reason to do it is to defraud sponsors>>109416074I like Olivia and actually watch her semi-regularly but come on nigger. It's not an allegation, it's a fact.
>>109416101shylily bots herself or mythic does it for her, she got caught red handed. I think most people agree that olivia isn't in control of the botting, it's too obvious
>>109416126This is one of those cases where it doesn't even matter who's right or wrong because the people involved are too retarded to want to get involved. It's just dramawhore slapfights that aren't even fun to watch.
>>109416026and before you even try to respond like that is normalhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/2692536685 saruhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/2693540144 yuzuhttps://www.twitch.tv/videos/2695907753 lucyat MOST they might have a dedicated react day to user submitted videos, but it's absolutely nothing compare to deme's endless fucking slop streams of tiktoks and youtube videos, and then when she does game it's some trash like marvel or CS
>>109413595Most corpo vtubers are botting, especially Hololive. She needs to call them out as well, if Holo can get away with it then so can everyone else.
>>109416113What would even constitute proof here? Oli's paypal records? Go sit in Oli's chat for a couple minutes and ask yourself if it feels like there's 7k other people in thereThat said, Deme can fuck off too so I'm also down for it to backfire(Unrelated but goddamn can they fuck off with this captcha? How does it get more cancer every week)
>>109414626Olivia isn't alone and the EN vtuber market is now rampant with view botting. A lot of vtubers noticed that Nijisanji levels of botting had zero downsides since the sponsors only care about the illusion of high numbers.>>109415214>okay how on earth do you attack one person and then defend theburntpeanut?Everyone is aware that he is getting heavily botted so it does seem odd when other Twitch streamers go out of their way to defend his numbers.
>>109415031How do you explain this image to someone not familiar with Twitch? I mean, what are you supposed to be looking at or what supports or undermines botting claims?
>>109413595reactslop vtubers doesn't have rights
>>109414028Bitch move if this is true
>>109416316NTA but subs on twitch are equivalent to memberships on youtube. I guess the idea is she's getting a lot of subs which means there aren't a lot of bots, but at the same time you can see that most of her subs are still gift subs which suggests that despite 7K people watching her streams, almost nobody ever buys their own sub. .
>>109415221feburary isnt finished yet and they can only scrape subs from the chat, she has streamed 4 times this month and the last one was almost a week ago so the data for this month is unreliable and incomplete
>>109416150>It's not an allegationThe allegation is that she is botting, not that the botting is happening
>>109416448I don't know what's so hard to understand about the concept that maybe her fans are casuals and turbo normies.
>>109416453Shouldn't someone her site have at least up to 2k recurring subs?
>>109413595who the fuck is oliviamonroe?
>>109416524She's a vtuber. Her fans are not casuals and turbo normies.
>>109416532someone we are all learning about rn.
>>109416532one of Cecilia Immergreen's friends
>OliviaWasnt this the ligger that has organized 'dates' with her viewers?
>>109416524I don't even know what her content is, and I don't have a frame of reference to what other streamers' ratios are, but I do find it strange that anybody's content would have so few people willing to pay money with a pool of that many viewers, as well as so few unique chatters. The question though shouldn't be if she was botting but rather is she doing it herself and is there any actual tangible benefit to doing so?
>>109416580>>109416569okay and who the fuck is deme. how do you pronounce that? Dehmeh? Deem? Demi?
>>109416525correct. ironmouse has around 7.5k ccv and 15k subs, less than half are gifted. mouse has a very sticky audience but olivia should be much much higher in sub count if her view count was genuine
>>109416621Dehmeh, i'd assume. Every time she is brought up here, it's some random mini drama.
>>109416621She’s a fat leftist Filipino woman who does reactslop and sometimes pretends to be physically disabled
>>109416621Démé
>>109416621Demi, demee, like demi lovato
>>109416663And why's that? I've never heard nimi talk about this person
>>109415568Weird that you just keep repeating "THERE ARE METHODS" instead of elaborating
>>109416525idk but you cant just scrape data from twitch on the number of subs, you have to infer or count it from other methods for example you can scrape the stream chats for resub messages and donations
>>109413595This is why I love Phase, organic growth.>Muh 2-viewYes, and the girls left 2-view land by streaming, and being consistent for years, building an audience with a lot of effort on Youtube.>Muh ClioNobody knows how those numbers work, nobody. Nobdoy knows who's botting her. You are welcome to take down that botnet if you care. Clio doesn't need the bots, she can get 600 views on her own on Youtube which is fine.
I think it's a little of her botting and a viewer botting. Then she quit and the viewer doubled down. She was in 3am and they have a bizarre obsessed schizo on /lig/.
>>109413595>"I talked to everyone about this EXCEPT for Olivia"
>>109416780Olivia was around 1.5-2k naturally until mid last year
>>109413595>Deme (quite large indie twitch vtuber)how come this is the first time I've ever heard of this person then
>>109416780Does nobody remember the shindigs clio post that went viral? that's a big reason her numbers went up
>>109415568there is literally nothing you can do about someone viewbotting you
>>109413595Olivia had streams at like 15k ccv. even the bald rapist kektone came to her stream to call her out. Everybody knows Olivia is bottedThat said, Deme could’ve handled that better. Or maybe she couldn’t because she’s retarded
>>109416818She was a low 3 view until that 1 twitch front page event and started botting/botted after.
I'm on Oli's side because she is unicorn safe and Deme is a whore
>>109416916she has pretty natural growth through 2023-2025
this literally doesn't matter at all. everyone in this thread should go do something more real with their time.
>>109416925I wouldn't say unicorn safe but she is nice and funny and likes her viewers very much
>>109416952What is "real"? You're on a vtuber board ffs
>>109416830yes she's quite large idk about her views tho
>>109416830she's like 250-300 pounds
>>109416925None of the liggers are single and that makes gfe even worse
>>109416999>>109417027don't act like you wouldn't https://x.com/demenishki/status/1627565114940616706
>>109417104Now lets see the side profile at rest and no sucking in stomach
>>109417104She should have a food competition with Kirsche
>>109416952I just check these threads to see monkeys dancing, screaming and throwing shit at each other.
>>109417104her dress is doing literally all of the work and I'm not attracted to women I dislike
>>109417104HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>109413595>vtubing sphereStreamer sphere in general. This isn't a secret.
>>109417104She gained a lot of weight since then. check the recent photos she shared on stream
>>109417170>and I'm not attracted to women I dislikeyou gotta start evil woman-maxxing man
>>109417102>he thinks this is unique to liggers
>>109414380my favorite part is when she got to Ironmouse and she had to switch up her accusation where suddenly it was fine to be smooth for hours on end and also suddenly reaching peak in an hour also was fine which she complained was too fast with Olithis is not about botting at all or else Deme would have called out more people than just Oli, this is personal to a point i almost wonder if its Deme herself botting Oli for exactly this, the fact she pulled this right as Oli is not even streaming and is having family and medical shit happening also is super malicious
>>109413595>>109414380Genuine question: what is it about flips that causes them to be like this? Jurard, Millie, a lot of the phasefags who jump on any drama, Deme. Is it flips in general or just the ones in the vtuber sphere? I know virtually nothing about the country and the people other than what I've experienced in the vtuber world.
>>109417311she is literally just jealous
>>109417104BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>109417262emotional attachment makes women more sexually desirable
>>109417311Welcome to SEA, son
>>109417311mixing hispanic and asian produces dramatic people
>>109415554>Why would someone bot themselves so obviously?I'm guessing the fact that it's a literal free money glitch? Twitch will give you the full payout for ads if you bot which makes you earn more than it cost to actually run the bots especially because Twitch intentionally let you get away with it as they don't even bother to check for VMs so you can create thousands of viewers with just a good enough PCYouTube has both better bot detection and actually filters fake viewers from monetization so you're reliant on scamming sponsors to make any moneyI've actually been considering setting up a fake vtuber channel with AI and just botting it like crazy because it's just free ad money
>>109416621it's pronounced fat tee
>>109417485you are literally talking out of your ass kek
>>109416881I feel like calling her out when there's already so much drama going on recently is not a very smart decision. Not to mention, Olivia's been having family issues as of recent so criticisms are likely harder to stick.
>>109416150>You need a decent number of actual viewers for botting to work because it just looks ridiculous when the chat is dead at 4view+I'm not sure if you realize this but you can have bots write in the chat, you only need like 10 or so active viewers so bots can react and make the chat is active as you wantFun fact you can test this out by sending a bunch of messages with multiple accounts congratulating the streamer for something that hasn't happened and all the bots will join in which is super funny
>>109413595A good vtuber would get paid by their viewers and not sponsorships.
>>109417485Twitch doesn't use the number that you see of viewers on the stream as a viewer for their ad calculations.
>>109413595tons of streamers in general viewbot or are viewbotted, but really the only people who care are /#/fags and singling someone out like that makes it seem like a catty sister move
>>109413595>quite large indie twitch vtuberkek, she's quite large indeed That aside, why doesn't this fat bitch just take it up in the DM's instead of namedropping someone? Bitch move, honestly.
>>109418066She has no actual proof of anything, its literally just gossip drama faggotry
React andy is jealous that people have bigger viewership being actually entertaining and interacting with chat
I do wonder what triggered this decision all of a sudden though. Olivia has been on it for ages, why only now that she calls her out?
>>109418599I can only assume it's engagement bait, but I don't care enough to check her numbers to see whether she's in need of it.
>>109413595Viewbotting is pretty widespread and obvious, but it's very rare that anyone outside of this board actually calls it out. I suspect it's because the people who could call it out like dramatubers are also viewbotting and don't want to draw attention to the concept because then they'll be caught doing it themselves.It's kind of a stupid plan because all it takes is one legitimate person with a large following who genuinely doesn't viewbot to finally get fed up and call it out and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. This should be interesting to see pan out.
>>109419140It's still funny as shit that when the vtuber bot genocide went down, Ironmouse's viewership was one of the few higher twitch people completely unaffected.
>>109418599I would ASSUME that it's because of the BurntPeanut discourse going on Twitter. A lot of vtubers are accusing him of viewbotting (including Olivia's friends). So she saw this and asked why nobody is even looking at the viewbotter sitting right next to them.
>>109419140>and the whole house of cards comes tumbling downhow so? twitch doesn't care. agencies don't care. the sponsors don't care. every now and then you get an update claiming to fix botting and nothing changes.
Usually I wouldn't care about viewbotting but Olivia is really playing the system and then shitting on it. She's probably sitting on 500-1000 real viewers but is botted upwards to 8000 viewers. All this and she takes a sponsor every stream. It's something crazy like 45 out of the last 50 streams are sponsored.
>>109419209When Twitch did their bot action, Olivia's CCV unironically went up
>>109419317>usually i wouldnt care but here is a bunch of information only someone who cares would knowlol
>>109418599with her and her parent's health, its an opportune time for her to do this.
I remember when that retard Grimmi accidentally exposed the view bots on her channel during a sponsored stream. Must be a common thing in Mythic
>>109419324because the /lig/ schizo was trying to get her banned
>>109419459that never happened
>>109419324It didn't lol. She dodged it. I don't know why you keep saying this.
>>109419694obsessed lol
>>109419754If I'm not obsessed, you will keep spewing misinformation and she will get away with it.
>>109419694That shows exactly what he said.The next time she streamed after Twitch announced they were taking out bots, her CCV jumped to double what it was the previous stream
>>109417195Really? just wondering what stream would that be so I can avoid it?
>>109419694>I don't know why you keep saying this.this is the first time it was mentioned in this thread.how often have you been having this conversation?
the entire discussion is pointless since nobody can prove anyone is doing anythingyou could just as easily attack deme for her growth
Deme made the accusation, so props to her for having the guts to speak her mind. Though she's kind of a retard and her mind is made up of unverifiable numbers spewed out by another Twitter retard.Olivia's numbers are fucked and have been for a while. Deme is a dumb cunt who presented no more evidence than the /lig/ schizo.Did I miss anything?
this bitch is 100% jealous of her numbers and is here seething about it and trying to explain herselfi mean, olivia is definitely botting, but come on
>>109413595>OliviamonroeWho???
>>109419317There are people who get view botted as part of the botters attempts to make their accounts look legit (they basically choose different targets to bot to give their bot network a more natural looking viewer behavior, so they'll throw a couple k on random people). But is it actually true that almost all her streams are sponsored? If that is true then at the very least she isn't a victim here, she's taking advantage of the situation. But worse it makes it more likely she isn 't a random bot target, but actually paying for them herself.
>>109420652You can check it yourself. Scroll down and click on the individual streams. You'll see something like this with #ad. If you see a gacha game, it's sponsored.
>Olivia is guilty of botting even if she isn't the one botting, because she benefits from it via sponsorshipsI'm assuming someone leaked her contracts? If not, this is schizo fanfic but gayer.
>>109419967>how often have you been having this conversation?Probably a lot if it's our local /lig/ schizo that hates Oli
She's a dumb bitch, but her body was made for non-stop breeding sex and pleasuring men
>>109414209>because Oli is well likedLmao
>>109420763I'm just saying that I think the ethical thing to do is to not take advantage of being botted. It's not "guilty of botting" it's "suspicious that she's taking advantage of it if she is innocent".
>>109420929How do you know Olivia is "taking advantage" of the botting? Do you know her negotiated rates? Do you have copies of her contracts?What makes you say Olivia's streams are sponsored? Have you watched her streams? How long are the sponsored segments?It's beyond obvious her numbers aren't what they seem. Why bring this up now, with no newer information? It's been this way since 2024. This just feels like Deme kicking another streamer while they're down.
>>109420929That's not ethical, that's just stupid.
There is nothing you people could ever do to make me stop loving Olivia Monroe.
>>109421033What are you talking about? Read the thread.
>>109421033Nta but she did nearly 50 streams in a row that were sponsored, with maybe one one non sponsored stream in between there
>>109421085>>109421090No, you read what I typed. Her streams aren't sponsored. She has a 1-2 hour sponsored segment somewhere in her 6-12 hour long streams. What are the negotiated rates for those sponsored segments? If you don't have those on hand, then there's nothing new to speculate about here. Other than Deme loves drama. Which isn't new to any of us, is it?
>>109421180I don't even know who Deme is. You need to read the thread because I'm just replying to the guy who said 45/50. If that isn't true then fine, my comments are contingent on that being true.
>>109421180Don't act like the longer 12 hour streams are normal. Another reason why people like Deme are pissed is because it poisons the well for other people when it comes to sponsors.
>>109421341>poisons the wellSo you have copies of Olivia's negotiated rates? If your answer is no, you're reciting words you don't understand, and should just admit you want a reason to trash someone on social media.
>>109421180>She's abusing sponsor bots every streamThis just makes it even worse since we know that vtubers usually get botted during sponsored streams. If she willingly chose to take sponsors for that reason alone, then that's a really bad look on her.
>>109421341you're saying the 8h30m of just chatting was sponsored?
>>109421456damn that shit's flatter than my oshi
>>109420929So Olivia should just never take a sponsored stream?
>>109421083samecertainly not fucking deme
>>109421419Are you saying she is telling the sponsors "I'm botted, please only give me the 1k viewer rates. Please do not adjust how you cost rates based off my botted rates because that will affect other content creators. Please just treat me completely like 1k ccv creator" and the sponsors are listening to that 100% and correctly treating her identically to a 1k ccv vtuber and she's able to pull 45/50 streams of consecutive sponsors?
>>109421033Ignore him. He's a known oli mod, he spam's the /lig/ thread, he's annoying af
>>109421729It's one thing to take a sponsor now and then and another thing to sponsor max while you have not been able to get rid of the bots.
>>109421996What can the streamer do to get rid of bots?
>>109421996how do you get rid of bots?
>>109421951I'm not the one making claims, so I'm not the one who has to produce evidence.
>>109421996dO yOu hAvE cOpIeS oF hEr cOnTrAcTs?
>>109422074So you don't have the contracts?
>>109422074seethe harder deme
>>109413595what a seething, jealous roastie. I hope it backfires on her
>>109422074Listen sport, it's ok to be a bad person. It's ok to have vicious, pointless hate in your heart. Just don't lie about it, ok? Just say you enjoy being mean on the internet. Don't make up facts, ok? I love you, kid. I'm glad we had this talk.
>>109422306From what I've seen Olivia is generally well liked, and certainly has very close and supportive friends in the Barbies. Whereas I'm not sure Deme really has any overly close connections, so yes it probably will backfire. Having said that I get the feeling Deme tries to appeal more to non-vtuber viewers than vtuber viewers in quite a lot of things she does so it might not seriously harm her.
>>109422025>>109422027That is irrelevant. If a million dollars appears in your bank account, you don't spend it, even if you can't find a way to get it out of your account. If you do you're stealing and potentially committing fraud and you'll be forced to pay it back when it does get reclaimed. Same kind of thing. It is a shit situation but if you're not botting and you're being unfairly botted, then you don't become the ultimate sponsormaxxer.
>>109413595>When deme reached to Olivia's talent agency (Mythic Talent, that has many indie vtubers on twitch), they said that it's not their problemHow does this impact caseoh. Is caseoh going to make it?
>>109422444>while you have not been able to get rid of the botsHow can they get rid of them?
>if someone maliciously bots you for two years you are not allowed to take sponsorslmao
>>109422444>she should get rid of the bots>how do you get rid of bots?>dunno lol but she should do itmanThat comparison doesn't even work. Your example hinges on the fact that you are breaking the law and face consequences of having to pay back when you get caught as an incentive to follow the law. Whatever this is has no actual consequences and thus no incentive, not to mention no means of actually fixing the situation until whatever is causing it decides to stop on their own. In the meanwhile you are suggestion she cut her source of income for no benefit.
>>109422394sHe hAs nO wAy oF sToPpInG iT!
I have never seen any other vtubers do 50+ straight streams with 1hr+ sponsored segments. Her botted viewership is giving her way more sponsored offers than is normal. Even if she only charges 1k-ccv rates, she's still getting more sponsorships than others get because of the botted viewership.
>>109422674glad you agree even with your broken keyboard
Deme can suck my left nut.
>>109422699Olivia hasn't been streaming regularly since getting super sick in October. Those 45/50 sponsored stream numbers are misleading. She streams 5-6 days a week when she's not sick and her parents aren't dying. She's only really been streaming 1-3 days a week and those happen to have sponsors. She's still getting botted. But let's not lie.
>>109416150makes me remember that webm of an ironlung chat during a 5view stream and it was dead as fuck lol
>>109422674How should she stop it?
>>109415568double retard
>>109422549I wish someone maliciously botted me for years too
i find it funny when the retard who literally watches movies and use a "trailer" stick to "trick" moderation think they have high ground to say anything. Take your adhd medication deme.
>>109413595why the fuck does she cares about sponsors? leeching off them is straight up a net positive moral activity, and it's not the streamers responsibility
https://www.twitch.tv/zoil/clip/DistinctCreativeCookiePlanking-kFYROTDrXwLhhiiYStolen from somewhere. I don't know anon, i would smash.
>>109423280>why the fuck does she cares about sponsors?Because sponsors have limited ad budgets so when she sees someone she suspects of botting she gets mad cause she feels that is money that could have gone to her or her friends
>>109423280There are plenty of talented chuubas who are playing by the rules. No one's singing the blues for gacha developers, it's the honest people who are missing out on a decent living because people like oli are abusing the system
>>109423347Maybe she should stop watching movies and farm dramas for a bit.
>>109422924 by not botting...
>>109423347the fatty isn't popular enough for sponors and doesn't have friends
>>109423280Deme has a zero sum worldview, and she is 100% right. Sponsorships for Olivia mean less chances for those who actually have the numbers. The sponsors themselves might not seem to care, for now, because they have deep pockets, but when they don't the ones who will suffer from that are the ones who followed the rules.
>>109415482remind my why Fauna, Biboo ect. were botted? because some numbermonkey wanted to get them disqualified from numbers rankings
>>109423406Anyone can bot anyone retard, there's no mechanism that forces any given streamer to only ever be able to bot themselves. Oli is 1000% botted, but there's no way to know that she's the one doing it to herself.
>>109423472>no way to knowkek.When someone does something dishonest and you don't know "who did it?" Just ask yourself "who benefits?"It ain't that difficult
>>109423472Could opening a poker game sometimes in the stream work? idk how bots work but I remember getting out of a stream when a streamer started playing poker and getting a disclaimer if I was ok with watching gambling.
>>109423280>>109423347>Sponsor spends money on streamers that are botting>They get lower income from botted streams because of common fucking sense>They don't necessarily know it's because it's bots, only that the "viewers" on twitch are lower value>They adjust the money spend per CCV downwards to compensate>Everyone with purely legit viewers gets paid less than they actually deserve as a resultIt's a bit more complex than that since some sponsors are known to bot streams to try and boost visibility with twitch rankings. But those sponsors will spend on streamers assuming their usual CCV is legitimate.
>>109423549saar this is not kick
>>109423567so you're saying deme deserves to have all the sponsors instead?
>>109423567she will still not get the money because she is a drama magnet.
>>109423521>who benefitsNta but unfortunately there exist """people""" in this world like ennacuck, faunaschizo etc who feel as though they are benefitting from maliciously botting chuubas in order to win retarded little arguments on this board, so it's not so clear.
>>109423621Moron
holofag with no skin in this game that bothered to read all this:This Deme chick is probably right in that Olivia is either viewbotting or being viewbotted and as a streamer it's understandable she's pissed because it likely takes money out of her pocket but she's also the worst possible person to bring this up unsolicited since she seems to be more of an outsider to the general vtuber community so she'll be immediately dismissed by a large portion of it as a drama farming tourist, double so since she messaged Olivia's talent agency to try and get her in trouble over it first and refusing to even consider there could be an outside party botting Olivia since that's common in the vtuber spaces (hell holos have been having this issue for years). By the looks of it, right message, wrong messenger.
>>109423649newfag
>>109423676she could have just messaged olivia privately even, the girl has notoriously available and welcoming dms probably to her deficit but that's just how she isdeme was too much of a pussy to confront one of the nicest people in vtubing directly though
>>109413595Her oblivious ass going on brutally honest rants because she biologically can't remember that she just commented on something and is right afterwards snowballing into a delicate situation will never not amuse me. It's also hot as fuck.
All big twitch streamers viewbot.
>>109423676deme is a literal dramafag, she farmed the hell of her break up just to go to live together with the dude she said "stabbed her with a knife". She only lose to shylily on farming dramas as she tried to farm the vshojo drama by playing victim only to be told to shut up.
>>109422650>>109422528Again, I didn't say "she should get rid of them" I just said it is irrelevant. You don't sponsor max the fuck out of your botted viewership just because you didn't purposely bot yourself.
>>109423808>nicest people It's not nice to steal money and opportunities from people who are following the rules
>>109423875why not?
After reading posts through a few threads including /lig/ ones... Are all 3AM and Oli fans such rampant racists and body shamers? I've seen a ton of both happening. It comes off as a very chudly community.Calling Deme fat and brown seems to be a common insult from these people.
>>109423956but she is fat and brown... '-'
>>109423956omg ppl are being edgy and rude on 4chan
>>109423875found the guy botting her, I'm sorry she didn't just let you negative one of her major income sources lmao
>>109423956>Are all 3AM and Oli fans such rampant racists and body shamers?no that's an olivia community specific thing. The other communities in 3am are actually libtards, with one of their members actually having done a fundraiser for Anti-ICE protests. Olivia was always a weird fit with them.
>>109423617No because she's a dramafag bitch
>>109423956One of the big 3am warriors is a lover of blacked porn, so no probably not.
>>109421341Is there any proof of this at all? Vtubers aren't known for botting at all compared to the giant fleshies with their 50k-200k streams.
it only took lig 5 hours to find this thread
>>109423567There are a lot of effects:1) Sponsors going for high ccv botters they cannot distinguish from non botters (redirecting sponsorships from people who are not botting)2) Sponsors calibrating their costings based off botted viewership returns (downward pressure on sponsorship offer amounts)3) Sponsors leaving the market because of bad returns or inability to distinguish legitimate audience from illegitimate audience.4) Top heavy CCV focused recommendation algs decreasing visibility of non-botted accounts leading to less opportunity for sponsorship purely from visibility issues.I'm sure there are more people could think of
Of course its the fat SEA hag.
>>109423956Deme is ugly on the outside and in the inside being right about oli viewbotting dosent change that
just don't give money to whores and block every ad.Why can't simps comprehend follow these simple rules? these bitches don't deserve a single cent for browsing twitter and playing slop. None of this retarded number drama would happen if this was an actual hobby thing for them instead of a "job" thanks to simps subcribing and donating non-stop for the 0.0000000000000001% of getting noticed by a femoid
>>109424077the proof is "idk I thought about it a little bit and it kinda sounds possible and holding that belief validates my stance so it's true"
>>109424108the ones you like are that boring?
>>109424108>Sponsors leaving the marketexplain to me how getting rid of gachaslop sponsored streams is a bad thing
>>109423956Oh i can fill you in, the people calling deme ugly and brown are people from /lig/ who already hated her because she had beef with one of the thread darlings Zuma (who is friends with another thread darling Tob), so they shit on her relentlessly even when nothing's going on
>>109424156Maybe it isn't. I'm just explaining one of the many ways botting can hurt sponsorship opportunities for non-botting streamers.
>>109416150You do know that chatbot exists? and with the emote spam culture and single word comments who gives a damn about chat
>>109422029You're claiming that she's even getting increased ad rev or sponsorship money from the bots when fleshies have said how twitch adjusts ad rev to not count bots.
>>109424126Ad blocking has no bearing on sponsorships, by viewing a stream during a sponsorship you are making the streamer money. Now that's been explained to you can you go back to wherever it is you're from and allow us to continue discussing botting, thanks.
>>109420141That's pretty much the gist of it
>>109424183has this happened yet or are you just being a faggot?
>>109423956coqui meat and the one with the fat model are literally obese
>>109424197>Implying I watch sponsorslop streamsYou sound brown and retarded
someone wants this thread to hit bump limit cause they summoned a lig schizo lmao
>>109423875>I didn't say "she should get rid of them">It's one thing to take a sponsor now and then and another thing to sponsor max while you have not been able to get rid of the bots.>you [Olivia] have notyou literally did say that she should get rid of the bots
>>109423875Genuinely why not? It's not like she can do anything about it.
why do people care? viewbotting is just free money for the streamer right? just get viewbotted too and make free money off the company. leech off of twitch, they're not your friend anyway.
>>109424236ESL? No I'm saying she shouldn't sponsormax abuse the fake views.>>109424237Its called ethics and having principles.
>>109424229It's all random sperging to derail the thread now.
>>109424191>twitch adjustsNot all sponsorships come from twitch. Many are done directly via email.
>>109424224And you sound like tiny Indonesian (or possibly Indian) teenaged who mainly browses /pol/ and /v/, which is why you feel the need to tell everyone about how HECKIN BASED you are because you hate women (when in reality you've never interacted with one other than your mother). Again, please let the adults go back to discussing botting, thanks.
>>109424259See this>>109424108It hurts other streamers who are playing by the rules
>>109423956Anon as someone with no horse in this race, Deme has exactly 2 forms of content: reacting to youtube shorts and drama.Randomly accusing people of shit for engagement is her MO.
>>109424229Then make a new one after this one.
>>109424000>>109424005It's more that it seemed like these comments started appearing as it hit Olicord. I know how 4chan is, but when you throw in the element of "our community is a nice and safe place", it starts to get weird. Fans are actively showing it isn't a safe space while the talent constantly says it is. They're being racist and going around both body shaming and shaming disabilities.I don't really care if you say charged things, but turning around and acting like it's a "loving and caring community" after it acts like unhinged racists is kind of dirty. I really dislike that kind of masking.Man, screw this captcha system. It suuucks.
>>109424157Tob is my friend
>>109424267>ethics and having principlescan you eat that? can you pay rent with it?
>>109424303>NOOOO MUH HECKIN' WHORES WEARING AN ANIME GIRL AVATAR ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS >:(Kek, you're a fucking fat manchild
>>109424327are the olicord with us right now, actionmaverick?
Sponsors are retarded and out of touch, why should I give a fuck they are getting ripped off? Especially when the end goal of their advertisement is to rip ME off!
>>109423871>as she tried to farm the vshojo drama by playing victim only to be told to shut up.Huh? First time Im hearing this, mind elaborating?
>>109424267>Its called ethics and having principles.Ethics would be not botting her in the first place. Besides, bots do literally nothing for a streamer's income. All it does is make (you) shit your pants apparently.
>>109424332No but you can eat and pay rent by stealing from other streamers
>>109424421>Ethics would be not botting her in the first place.It isn't clear who is botting her or why, it could be herself.>Besides, bots do literally nothing for a streamer's income. Normal 800ccv streamers don't get 45/50 sponsored streams.
>>109424351It's okay, I'm sure trying to convince anons what an amazing based chad you are will remove the crippling fear you feel when you come close to interacting with a woman in real life.
what the fuck happened to this thread I don't pay attention to /lig/ but it feels like someone flipped a switch and the schizo convention arrived in town. Is that thread that full of the,?
>>109424440nobody is stealing anything from the fatass
>>109424352It's kinda crazy how closely Oli fans match old 4chan schizos.
Is it possible the sponsors themselves are botting her during sponsored streams to up the exposure through the alg?
>>109424491/lig/ is full of schizos yes but Deme's fanbase is full of non-vtuber fan normies and bases on some of the posts I get the feeling they've been directed to this thread.
>>109424421You can stop botting her anytime
>>109424421>Besides, bots do literally nothing for a streamer's income.Except it does>Streamer bots stream to big number>Sponsor see big number>Sponsor thinks big number is legit>Sponsor offers more money because they think they're getting more eyeballs watching>Streamer income UP
>>109424489I don't give a fuck. Keep talking about numbers on your fat indonesian bbcloving whore while I fuck actual bitches and go outside lol
>>109424491theres one schizo who has been attacking olivia/3am for like 3+ years
>>109424491Apparently. I left months ago but every now and then I take a peek and it's just as bad as it was then. With this going on I imagine it's even worse.
>>109424327>our community is a nice and safe place"No fan of any chuuba ever (outside of maybe NijiEN) claims this because they all know it invites the absolute worst tourist scum.
>>109424535protect that corpo, faggot
>>109424516Her entire 12hr streams are getting botted, not just the 1hr sponsored segment. No sponsor would pay for 12hrs of bots when 11hrs don't benefit them.
>>109424541This is the answer, someone has been seething about Oli and 3AM for no reason for a while now
https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/2022172006729347147https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/2022173010895962380SHONDO FROM THE TOP ROPE WITH THE OLIVIA DEFENSE
>>109424587There are ways to bot without paying for them. /#/ monkeys do it all the time to hololive girls
>>109424598it's 5 in the morning...
>>109424540Oh you're very mad. It's okay, it's honestly not as scary as you've probably envisaged in your head anon. With practice I'm sure you'll be able to interact with women like a normal functioning human being, I believe in you.
>>109424598I think I like the new shondo.
>>109424157>ZumaIsnt this the norwegian girl that cucked her audience multiple times and is as edgy and whorish as Elfin?>>109424331Tob is cool, I hope im not mixing up that norwegian nutcase I know of.>>109424213>the fat modelI have an architect friend, he is interested in the name of this young lady. Is it the doggirl one?
>>109424611>/#/ monkeys do it all the time to hololive girlsI can't tell whether you're just confused or you're ennacuck.
>>109424535aight, so what do you expect her to do, not accept sponsors ever because that makes you feel bad?
>>109424598Very basedShondo is one of the good ones
>>109423956
>>109424674I don't know what she should do, I'm just saying that bots DO affect a streamer's income. It's a lie to say that they don't.
>>109424659lol Zuma is Tob's best friend
>>109424574That's what I'm getting at. A streamer will call their space safe, while their community goes out and starts calling people brown as an insult. It's a weird masking situation and I don't really like it.If you're going to act a certain way, own it. The two faced stuff is extra weird. Like now we all know 3AM harbors a lot of hateful people, from racists to body shamers.
>>109424598>defending her friend at 5amShondo annoys me quite often but she comes across as a good friend.
>>109424587It would also be less suspicious to do it for the whole stream and probably costs nothing to just leave it on for the whole thing to fly under the radar. Also the sponsors do not coordinate with the streamers like that. The streamer just sends them a timestamp after. They don't know many hours of yapping they're going to have at the start before sponsor and after sponsor. Plus
>>109424598Deserves a screenie
>>109424327Those comments started appearing after deme's dramafarming (AGAIN) appeared in the thread you fucking retard
>>109424791>PlusThis anon spoke too much, the sponsors did them in
I actually believe Oli less to see Shondo coming to her defense like that. I didn't know they were tight behind the scenes, that lowers my opinion of Oli.
>>109423334>I don't know anon, i would smash.same
>>109424842This thread? Yeah, but I've browsed a few others including /3am/ ones and /lig/ ones and just unbranded ones. Those have long since archived though.
>>109413595She should call out bijou then
>>109424876>I didn't know they were tight behind the scenes,lmao, what? You have no idea who either of them are then, clearly.
>>109424598Thank you based ShondoI'm glad Oli has someone like her on her side
>>109424876You very clearly never watched her and your opinion doesn't matter
>>109424769you sound brown and fat
>>109424876Congrats on outing yourself as retard who doesn't know shit
>>109424598Fallen"ParasocialFansAreYuckyButPleaseIgnoreIdBeNothingWithoutThem"Shadow opinion is very important.
a reminder that deme got back with her ex that literally stabbed her. she is retarded.
>>109424876>I didn't know they were tight behind the scenesThey did a collab literally yesterday, you fucking idiot
>>109424327>>109424769What's with this lame attempt at concern trolling? Crying racism isn't going to convince anyone on this site.
>>109424598>One viewer or one hundred thousand, Oli is one in a million. Please don't be cruel to her.What a great defense. Might as well shut up and say nothing.
>>109424034I thought just Coqui was like that
>>109425059it is just coqui i think it's pretty obvious one of /lig/'s schizos busted in here and tried to sneak in his bullshit
>>109425009It's more the two-faced aspect of it. I actually have less to bitch about with streamers that are upfront about their fanbase. I just don't watch them, problem solved.But advertising a community as a safe space then that fanbase goes out and does stuff like that, it's shady and it makes me question everything about the person leading it.
>>109424598lmao she didn't say oli isn't botting. She said oli is a nice person
>>109424876newfag has opinions! Lots of them!
>>109425099I don't trust someone who only feels brave enough saying this kind of stuff on an anonymous site
>>109425096It's a Coqui-specific thing? I'd had never guessed! Any examples just out of curiosity? No worries if you don't have any on hand. I'd rather have more specific info than what I see with people just dropping racist insults. If it's one person I'm not gonna badmouth the rest of the group.
>>109425129She explicitly said Oli isn't botting.
This moment would be the ideal moment for the asshole who is botting her to suddenly stop botting her if they wanted to ruin her reputation. I worry about that.
>>109425183Oli isn't botting, but Oli is being botted
>>109425157Nor should you. We can agree on that, and it's why I'm trying to find more information on it all.
>>109424491/lig/ has been plagued by some /wvt/ schizo who hates most of the chuubas they discuss for at the very least two years now
>>109425183lol
>>109425177Coqui ran a special stream to raise funds for Minnesota a little while agoShe doesn't usually weigh in on current events and politics but she is unmistakably left-wing and doesn't really hide itThe rest of 3AM (including former members) are also broadly left-wing, but far less open about it and maybe not as far left as her
>>109425310Oh, I misunderstood then. I was talking on the racism comment. The left-wing stuff flies and seems normal. Didn't know she did a anti-ICE fundraiser though.
>>109425250We still have no clue who the bots belong to btw
>>109419209Her views went from 12-14k to around 7k, proportionally she was one of the ones most affected...
>>109425240The name of the asshole? Olivia Monroe
>>109425250All you need to do is to suggest to your agency that you want more sponsorships and they get the wink and bot you. "I'm getting botted by some unknown person" is the most retarded excuse ever.
>>109425310Don't forget half of 3am comes from the South Side group which is basically a far left commune
>>109425403Most affected, least affected, same diff
>>109425129>>109425275learn to read retard
Calls out some no name but doesn't have the guts to go after the queen. Must be hoping for a GS deal maybe.
>>109425372oh yeah if you are talking about the racism specifically none of 3am's communities show any real racist tendencies nor do their streamers
>>109425510Also in the same stream as calling out Olivia she said the peanut faggot definitely isn't botting, kek
>>109425510yeah if Deme wanted to cause waves she would have gone after shylily or Silvervale who have similar stream charts to Olivia's, she just was salty about Olivia specifically for some reason
>>109413595Everyone is viewbotting. Odd to single out the vtuber community.
>>109425059most of southside is left leaning
>>109425453lol
>>109424876Based for making Shoncucks seethe
>>109424876>I didn't know they were tight behind the scenes, that lowers my opinion of Oli.https://www.twitch.tv/team/barbies
>>109425403Not really. iirc they were still around 8-10k. Hell, some of the streams in that period had more ccv than the other streams outside of it.
>Deme uses viewer curves to attack Olivia>Has to backtrack when looking at Ironmouse who has a similar viewer curveHmmm
>>109425596Figured it was obvious. Oli's real numbers are likely smaller than Deme's so she figured she could safely push her around.
>>109425596lol not even in the same category
>>109425552NTA but I think she said (from the VOD posted above) that above 10k it's "hard to detect". But if you have the specific timestamp please do post it, I probably missed it
>>109413595>vtuber spherewait until it finds out about contracted Kick/Amazon/Youtube/whatever "househole name" streamer numbers
>>109424926No, the very thread you were referring to with all the hecking racism and bodyshaming you fucking retard
>>109426060this deme girl comes out as a terrible person from this whole thing
>>109426110So the other threads are 3AMers? And here, you've called retard a couple times now. You're not painting a nice picture of fans of said groups. Feel free to continue though, just more context to prove the ideas.
>>109426195Yeah she is just a typical dramafag.
>>109426225Zero reading comprehension, go back to twitter infinite retard
>>109426380No, please continue. I'd like to know more about how 3AM fans insult the neurodivergent. Now I'm interested.
I'd like to point out Olivia isn't in 3am anymore and this guy is a schizo who hyperfocuses on that group>>109426435
>>109426526I hadn't realized that she left the group. What was the reason for that?
>>109426594She left about a week ago saying he needed to focus on her own personal health and her family's health. At the same time 3 other 3am member left the group (Lyra, Fang, Isaa) stating they had issues with the guy who was the manager of 3am, so we don't know if Olivia was just trying to be nice and left for a similar reason or what.
>>109426639Okay, I see. So really this situation is more Oli-centric? But it doesn't sound like 3AM itself is doing so hot atm, they probably aren't involved in the same stuff Oli's fanbase is. I'll stop using 3AM then, thought it was a company-wide thing with how close the group is. The more I find out, the more I'm starting to see this is an Oli-fan specific issue.Now just makes me wonder if she stepped away or if 3AM had her graduate.
