One comment about wanting games to stay apolitical, something that shouldn't register as drama, somehow snowballed into a termination, a suspension, and a full apology tour.Instead of standing their ground, Phase Connect managed to upset fans on every side while signaling to investors and future talents that they crack under pressure.Curious where everyone stands on this. Was this necessary damage control, or did they just torch their own credibility for no reason?
>>109430369Maybe don't be offended when they say 'no racists or bigots allowed'? What a weird hill for you to choose to die on.
>>109430369>>109430416Deportation deflection thread.
>>109430416Thank god someone said it. Phasefags are the ones who want the company to die.
>>109430369Phase fans got too used to being Chuds that can be le epic racismo all day, they were in dire need of a spanking. It's up to the fans to purge the Chuds now, or else they will become rioting Chuds once again and that will destroy the company.Save Phase, shove the Chuds out.
>>109430416It was their safespace, wont someone think of the chuds lmao
>>109430369Impressively wrong paragraph, Phasekek
>>109430369At minimum, the myth of them winning by doing absolutely nothing must be dead now, and a whole lot of people will treat them more like toxic waste in the future.
it's been obvious for a while now that they've been trying to move away from "chud connect" so that they could gain mainstream appeal, ie. sponsors and fans who actually buy merch.it is possible that fishfag used this drama as an opportunity to finally make his stance clear. since then they've only escalated>jelly dogezaing publicly and disavowing racism>panko nuking old VoDs where she was being racist>Lumi crashing out at chuds on twitter
>>109430577The reason they could get away with doing nothing was because nobody actually cared about them. It's the exact same reason people said apple macintosh products couldn't get viruses when they were actually much less secure than windows. Making a virus for a mac would've been piss easy but since nobody fucking used them back then there was no point.
>>109430369Their fanbase is so weird, it feels like 80%chuds and 20%seapags
>>109430369>One comment about wanting games to stay apoliticalThe game wasn't even about politics
>>109430369asmongold ended this fraud company. fishman will go back to selling his bussy
>>109431232>asmongoldsigh
>>109430416"no, please no politic in my block game"*tweet got deleted*"racist or bigot not allowed"so that talent who tweet that is a racist and bigoted person ?terminate her then
>>109430707At no point does this shit ever work, it destroys brands by pivoting to a fictional audience.
>>109430369>one comment about wanting games to stay apoliticalYep, that sure was what happened, not a sperg-out over a specifically designed Schools/Education edition of a game from six years ago talking about one of the most well known movements in recent American history that your retarded SEA-education never included….
>>109431824Just don't be a racist or bigotIt's that easy.
>>109430369They bent the knee to xitter trannies, pretty pathetic
>>109430369This was such a shitty move >Bend the knee for people who don't even watch stream>Leave talents alone against fans and trannies just because a whore pressured youJust delete the tweet and send jelly in isolation for 2 weeks it's not that hard sakanigger
>>109430369as per usual, using twitter to do anything but post stream updates ends up badly. if she had said the same thing midstream nothing would've happened.
>>109430707Let's see how that works out for them. Chuds usually aren't happy to let gohttps://files.catbox.moe/kz1vio.mp4
>>109432407Dangers of engagement baiting. Be careful what you wish for
>>109430369It's not just Phase management, if you notice all the girls toe the line now too. It's so bad they are even attacking their own fans, so they stop complaining. This NEVER happened before. Easily one of the Top 10 biggest anime betrayals.
>>109432468Is she wrong tho? I forgot how fragile Indians ego is
>>109430416
>>109432489A corporation only likes your money.
>>109432503If it's not wrong this shouldn't be hidden, right?
>>109431824phasefags unironically say this when they were in jelly's replies calling her a based TND-supporting modern day hitlerposting about how your oshi is le epic racist and then getting mad when her employer says "we do not endorse racism" in response is retarded
>>109430707yep i noticed that to especially when griftkin grippa started shifting left but still to suspend someone over a tweet when they have said much more worse things on stream is just giving ammunition to troons and fags to cancel them
>Somebody makes a dumb public statement and things go badly>Somebody makes a dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement and makes things worse>Somebody makes a dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement and makes things worse>Somebody makes a dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement addressing the dumb public statement and makes things worse
>>109432653Phase got greedy. It's not possible to grift twitter maga chuds and be holo-lite at the same time
>>109432468Archive this banger while you can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4duxCXkgwM
>>109432503Didn’t you see the post about izzat or whatever the fuck it’s called? They take that shit more personally than chinks.
>>109432870izzat is all they have besides caste racism and coveting gold.
>>109431175Maybe at one time. That proportion seems completely off now
>>109432489So cute, this numbnuts thought the girls actually shared his retarded beliefs
>>109430707>so that they could gain mainstream appeal, ie. sponsors and fans who actually buy merch.why have some money when you can have.. imaginary money?
>>109430369>made for drama>not for dramaYou have psychosis
>>109433103chuds got too comfortable forgetting that they're reviled and rejected across all strata of society
>>109430369it proves that the CEO is black and plays Minecraft
>>109433173At the end of the day it’s a business and the end goal is to make money. Fishman hasn’t made a profit off this thing since it started. He’s stupid to let this shit go on for so long if he had intentions of becoming a legitimate agency.
>>109433232>Fishman hasn’t made a profit off this thing since it startedso why have some money when you can have.... imaginary money? From the fantasy la-la land where Phase is profitable because it's a corporate whitewashed paradise like all the other corpos that failed because they weren't hololive?
>>109433261They lasted a lot longer than vtards
>>109432669^^^ this isn't phase the one company who do nothing and win ??that tweet deletion+announcement + "racism and bigotry" statement combo felt so not-phase like
>>109433232Then he should stop trying to kill his agencies reputation with the only audience he was ever going to get. Phase walks among the graveyard of corpos who never got any audience, who spun up during Covid, never made names for themselves, and promptly disappeared.The only audience Phase ever got was because they were edgy hololive. So let's get rid of the edge and hope we can earn normalfag and investor money when investment in vtubing is lower than it's ever been. It would be as pathetic as pivoting to be an AI company at this point. The coffee scam he tried to make was a better investment.
>>109433288>From the fantasy la-la land where Phase is profitable because it's a corporate whitewashed paradise Because why have some money when you can have... imaginary money?
>>109433340They might also lose merch company relationships if they become well known for being a chud company. They’ve always toed the line of having plausible deniability until now.
>>109433318which is so retarded and low iq. Even if they get investor and sponsor money if the company itself can't generate its own profits it'll be for naught. Investors and sponsors will fuck off.
>>109432123you're ngmi if you aren't a racist bigot at this point
>>109433527Yeah, I think Sakana openly embracing the chud company thing would be retarded, Phase has a lot of fans and partnerships who don't want any part of that. His mistake was just panicking and not realizing that this whole thing was just twitter nonsense that he could have just ignored from the start. At most he could have told Jelly to cool it quietly and handle it in a more discreet manner but honestly the backlash she was getting at the start was mostly irrelevant before he made the situation 10x worse by taking an official stance.
>>109430369>One comment about wanting games to stay apolitical, something that shouldn't register as drama, somehow snowballed into a termination, a suspension, and a full apology tour.Don't be disingenuous. It was an obvious engagement farming tweet that brought a lot of ire because of the timing, bad optics, ignorance, and her response afterwards (which was to gloat about it being engagement bait). Jelly was looking to start some trouble so she got it. All the chudtubers and vtweeters running her defense need to acknowledge this.
>>109433527>>109433723>They might also lose merch company relationships if they become well known for being a chud company.Yes and all of those... imaginary companies will be rushing to take their imaginary money!!
>>109430369Doing nothing only works when you're a 2 view nobody. Fishman made this bed for himself and he has to reap what comes from collecting fans who view your company as a weapon against people they dislike rather than cute girls doing cute things. I think they'll be fine in the long run but it should be a lesson that you shouldn't try to court an audience by any means necessary.
>>109433599Investors and sponsors barely exist. Vtubing is a rounding error at this point and the only reason Phase Cucknect even gets a bullet point on their meeting boards is because they have people who get several thousand viewers. Take those le chuds away and they got nothing. Nobody is going to see the groveling to PC Police on twitter and suddenly decide to start watching the company they hate.
Speaking of investors, who's sponsoring phase?
>>109433788>Doing nothing only works when you're a 2 view nobody. Phase connect is a 2 view nobody and their audience is virtually saturated at this point.
>>109433778I'm not sure what your point is here, all I meant was that as a corporation it's pretty much always better to maintain plausible deniability than to go all-in on committing to one stance or another, because there's very little benefit to doing that and a lot to lose compared to just leaving it up to the talents to cultivate the individual audiences they want.>>109433788I still don't think he had to do anything though. Like really, did what he did please anybody? The people who were raising hell weren't satisfied, the people on the other side were pissed, and it just escalated things a lot more. Doing nothing would have been objectively better than what he'd done, and I can't really think of a thing he COULD have done that would have improved the situation, at least not openly. This should have been handled privately and quietly if at all.
>>109433340It's an open secret that the "some money" is clearly not enough and the path to being more sustainable runs through that imaginary money.
>>109433103Its like GFE but instead of romantic intimacy, the illusion is of political agreement.
>>109433838>the path to being more sustainable runs through that imaginary money.Because why have some money when you can have... imaginary money?
>>109433838Yeah anyone who actually pays attention to how much each individual streamer is bringing in and how much Phase is likely taking from each of that should realize it's not enough to sustain a corporation of any size long term. I guess merch helps but I can't imagine the gains are massive there either, and it also incurs a lot more costs having to produce and ship stuff out, or to partner with another company who will take most of the money.
>>109433836You can argue that they overreacted sure, I think that stance is more than fine. But he had to do something about Jelly even making that tweet in the first place. The company account isn't for stuff like that, nobody is watching her for her views on politics in vidya,
>>109433838>It's an open secret that the "some money" is clearly not enough and the path to being more sustainable runs through that imaginary money.
>curious where everyone stands on thisI really doubt you are
>>109433880Yes anon welcome to running a business.
>>109433904Sure, but he didn't have to do it in public. Reining her in privately is a reasonable move, raking her over the coals in public was a braindead one.
>>109430416>don't be offended when they say 'no racists or bigots allowed'This. Who tf gets offended over that!?
>>109433891>>109433933Ok so their options are >downsize and live within their meansor >chase imaginary money on pipe dreams like "there is totally a phase connect starved audience out there being scared away by twitter posts"Because why have some money when you can have... imaginary money?>Yes anon welcome to running a business.Is being a schizo who thinks imaginary is just as good as reality a requirement to running a business?
>>109430369California
>>109430369It was gonna happen eventually, they pretty much had a woke audience inverted with the basedfags. Thats the problem with having a very ideological online audience , they turn on you pretty fast
>>109433933see >>109433920in case you can't tell: "We'll profit from imaginary money from an imaginary audience" isn't a business plan
>>109430731Pretty much, nobody was looking. Imagine if phase was having some kind of collab with Fritos for some chip and Jelly did that, you are crazy if you think a large comoany like that doesn't drop out. So phase has 2 options, stay small and eventually close down or keep growing but reign in the based stuff.
>>109433880>>109433962If the "some money" isn't enough for your business to be sustainable then yeah you need to chase new revenue sources. You can't just sit in the red and bleed money endlessly because "well it's better to protect the money I have than to chase hypotheticals" This isn't really anything unusual, I would say most startups operate this way, being unprofitable but hoping to make it profitable as they get established. But the vtuber scene is pretty bad in that regard, I actually don't really think ANY vtuber company besides maybe hololive can be profitable on their own means while maintaining any type of infrastructure whatsoever. Like compare the cost of even a couple of full time employees to the revenue you get from taking a cut off of streamers and the business model just fails at the start, even when looking at "successful" companies like phase. They kind of have to chase outside investment because otherwise being a vtuber company doesn't work.
NAw really, you guys don't seriously believe that Fish is just going to look under the couch, and find a whole new audience for Phase Connect right after they jettison their existing audience of chuds, right? It's not covid anymore and interest in new vtubers has never been lower.Oh I get it, the people who seriously think there exists an audience much bigger than their existing one who will totally flock to them must be trolling. There is no other explanation: we're seeing extremely dedicated trolls hoping fish reads their ideas and ruins the company more.
>>109434033>If the "some money" isn't enough for your business to be sustainable then yeah you need to chase new revenue sources. by getting rid of your existing revenue sources to chase.. imaginary money.Anon ngl your plan kind of sucks and you would make a terrible businessperson. So many companies have done exactly what you've said and they've almost universally failed. If you have an audience you should be pivoting to find more of that audience, and not jettison them to start from scratch finding another in a market where none exists.
>>109433962It's not an audience, it's who they can work with. Doors start closing when you have issues with your image. This isn't even about politics, it's more about your general reputation in a space. Rev just lost a sponsor because he couldn't stop his twitter fingers.
>>109430369Black company
>>109434056Much like twitter trannies, the chud audience are a vocal minority. Aside from Pippa or maybe jelly I doubt there will be much movement of fans away from the ones they like. The Chud audience was already supposed to drop phase because of clara but that never materialized.
>>109434087Doors start closing when you get rid of your audience much faster.> This isn't even about politics, it's more about your general reputation in a space.Oh no not... the twitter audience.
>>109434086So what can they do in your mind, short of dismantling the entire corporate structure and letting the talents exist as indies? Also, remember that any plan that involves reducing the amount of services provided to talents from the corporation (which costs them money) will naturally result in talents wondering why the cut they pay to the company is not also being reduced, and likely result in people leaving if it is not.
>>109430369>One comment about wanting games to stay apolitical>comments made against black civil right leaders during black history month>didn't do basic research but had enough time to get ahold and consult a lawyer>right /pol/tards hovering around Phase blowing the issue out of proportion because they generally see anything inconvenient or standard PR stuff as left /pol/tards acting against themPretty much this.
>>109430369Isnt it funny this is happening only after the tranny joinedReally activates the almonds
>>109434100>Much like twitter trannies, the chud audience are a vocal minority.OkDo you have any proof of this supposed audience of Phase Connect who would totally give money to the company if it weren't for their right-wing twitter politics, because if not then you are genuinely trolling to even suggest he tries.
>>109432503Why is she even talking about this shit, why do phase girls keep bringing up shit like this into the sphere. CGDCT is almost fucking gone from EN at this point.
>>109434106What doors were even open with the chuds? They don't buy merch and you can barely get them to watch more than two members.
>>109434132I don't think most people are reasonably suggesting Phase makes an intentional effort to lose any audience they have in the first place. Remaining palatable to one audience shouldn't have to mean alienating another, if you even need to make these kinds of choices then you've gone very wrong somewhere as a company.
>>109434111>So what can they do in your mindI already told you >>109433962>Ok so their options are>downsize and live within their means>or>chase imaginary money on pipe dreams like "there is totally a phase connect starved audience out there being scared away by twitter postsJettisoning your audience IS dismantling the company, because they have no other resource that makes anyone care about them. They should look into expanding their audience and hire a PR team to deal with this issue. instead they're going to piss off the only people who would ever tune in to phase in hopes of finding an imaginary audience.
>>109434111>short of dismantling the entire corporate structure and letting the talents exist as indies?Did you miss them calling for some of the girls to leave? This is what they want.
>>109434159agreed chuds just need to die, they're the chaff of society
>>109434172What does "downsize and live within their means" mean here specifically? If they fire all their full-time employees then they are no longer able to support their talents in a meaningful way, while still asking for a large cut of those talents' revenue. Do you really think the girls would just stand for the company taking the same amount from them but suddenly doing less in exchange? And if they agree to take a smaller cut then they are back in the same situation again.
>>109434111not listening to twitter shitheads who want blood is one option. Twitter will never be happy>>109434159they seem to buy coffee and merch. the people who want more are just greedy.
Oh now I get it. They convinced themselves that they are the only ones watching the company and without them the company would just die. I still blame Fishman and Phase for putting themselves in this scenario.
>>109433944Maybe you don't remember, but there was a time when 4chan had actual ads paying for server costs, I mostly remember J-list. They started leaving because Hiro's "do nothing" approach meant /pol/shit kept infesting every board. He even tried the retarded site split as if that could fool advertisers, till we were left with only meme ads. If Sakana wants to have a real business, he needs to cut that fanbase. Though I am afraid it's too late by this point.
>>109434207>not listening to twitter shitheads who want blood is one option. Yeah, I've been saying from the start I am fully on the side that Sakana should have kept his mouth shut and either done nothing or handled this quietly behind closed doors with Jelly. He screwed that up badly. I just disagree with those saying the company is wrong to chase new audiences or investors, I feel they have to do that if they want to be sustainable as a company.
>>109434089more like blacked company
>>109434193>What does "downsize and live within their means" mean here specifically?Phase wastes a bunch of money doing stupid bullshit and then having to clean it up and this, what is happening right now, is one of those moments. If he did nothing that would have been free and nobody would have cared except twitter losers.Fish is a habitual micro-manager who constantly makes problems worse for himself and then invests in really stupid shit that nobody sane would think is a good direction for Phase.
>>109434221I don't think those ads were ever really profitable though. J-List is the only decent sized company that even considered it, the site's reputation was way too toxic even back then. The general public saw 4chan as the "internet hate machine" long before the /pol/ infestation.
>>109434257I mean yeah, I agree with that. He fucked this up.
>>109430369In two weeks no one will care except twitter trannies
>>109434207Concerts are where the real money is at. Makes sense for them to push for those to be fair.
>>109434220>Oh now I get it. They convinced themselves that they are the only ones watching the companyBecause they are.You're seriously trolling, right? no really, you're not seriously thinking there's a hidden group of phase connect fans who are waving commie flags and ready to pay a jillion dollars the moment they fire Jelly, right? Stop being a fucking retard and sybau
>>109434270im sure they will have a new moral panic to move on to by then
>>109434260It never was and weeb companies were the only ones that ever funded 4chan.
>>109434291NTA but I think the point is that the extremists on both sides always represented a small and vocal minority. Most people don't take it that seriously on either side.
>>109434291Relax my nigga
>>109434193>What does "downsize and live within their means" mean here specifically?How about "not holding Phase Con" and not buying up half the offkay and dozens of cosplayers?
>>109434337Yeah, fair I guess, though I still don't think they'd be profitable without it.
>>109434260Not profitable, but enough to pay base costs at least. Meanwhile here you are talking about higher costs even before getting to the profit part. Courting a fanbase that repels money sources was just dumb from the start
>>109434350Without what?They barely made any money on it, and they had a whole carload of merch stolen in California.
>>109434291That audience doesn't exist, but I think there's a lot of truth to draining out certain sections of fans from the fandom. So many of the faggots on twitter claim to be fans but always seem like they're a couple posts away from just turning into seething antis.
>>109434375Nah I mean I agree they overextended themselves there, but I don't think not having made that decision would be enough to fix their cashflow issues. Though it would help a bit.
>>109434388I'm not sure why but it does seem true that Phase has cultivated a fanbase that feels it's acceptable to anti the fuck out of one girl in the company but still watch and support your own oshi within the same company, like you don't see this as much with other companies at least not openly. I guess it might come down in part to some of the places a lot of that initial fanbase came from and the sort of culture they have there.
>>109434434phasetroons only watch pippa and nobody elsethis is common knowledge for years
>>109434394You literally have no idea what their cash flow is like.Yet Fishman says they're in the black, and the documents he showed Clio indicate the company is in the black.So either they are actually receiving income, or Fishman is lying in his financial documentation.
>>109432744It totally is and the answer is to just ignore it. Making the problem bigger doesn't make the problem better. Let the talent deal with it themselves, they weren't going to magically gain an audience from throwing them under the bus.
How much does phase pay their mods?
>>109434537Skins from League of Legends.
>>109434531I think people are putting a lot more thought into this than Fishman did. I'm willing to bet his thinking at the time only went about as far as "oh shit oh fuck what can I do to make this go away?" and he then proceeded to make it worse.
cant even watch/support the only one live right now KEK!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>109434394>>109434350>>109434193>>109434511This, literally>PHASE CONNECT WILL DIE ANY DAY NOW AND DONALD TRUMP IS TO BLAME!! YOU FUCKING POLTARDS KILLED PHASE, FISH IS GOING TO FIRE PIPPA!! HE'S TWENTY BILLION IN DEBT, COFFEE MAKERS ARE FIREBOMBING HIS HOUSE-is the constant rally cry from the Antis we have heard for the last six fucking years. And every year a new twitter nontroversy happens and suddenly "ONLY I KNOW THE FINANCIAL DETAILS OF PHASE THEY ARE FINISHED 4 REAL THIS TIME!!!" none of them ever say this when there isn't a nontroversy happening, they just appear magically with all of the answers when things are going badly on specifically twitter.No they'll never post proof, just trust me, k?
When you can’t tell the difference between modern day political discourse and a historical reference to people responsible for civil rights legislation it might be best to keep your fuckin mouth shut.
>>109434664>is the constant rally cry from the Antis we have heard for the last six fucking yearsPhase Connect was founded in 2021 anon
>>109434579Only 300? This must be because of 4chan and /pol/, quick, ban all of these chuds so the "real" phase connect fans can join. Tens will surely pour in with their imaginary money to save Yuu's boring overwatch stream.
>>109434725Oh thank fuck, I thought six years had passed already
>>109434759300 people is probably more than the number of people who watch Japanese VTubers on this board in total.
>>109434759
>>109434834Ban all these evil chuds too, the real imaginary audience will flood this stream and save phase connect
>>109434808This is what all of these niggers are ignoring, as well. It's the middle of the work day US and there are mostly Japanese streamers on right now.
>>109434834>>109434579you lost >>109434661Maybe Sakuna can use his big bucks and buy that failing HoloEN branch off of them, since they're doing so poorly without his help.
>>109430462Kinda true however you reek, you transexual embarrassment
>>109430369there was no suspension and there was no termination, you fucking retard
>>109431990why would other countries care about your nigroes?
>>109435023I guess everyone in phase just decided to not stream right this week all at the same time
>>109435047anon give a phase talents a break for there boyfriends
>>109434865It's like eleven am over here on the east and seven on the west. Most non-working Americans are still asleep, the rest are getting ready for work.
>>109435137same here
>>109435155erm....
>>109430416Based
>>109434693"Want to change the world IRL? Start in Mincraft.In the free Good Trouble dlc, explore global civil rights movements meet changemakers, and learn how to stand up, speak out, and build a better world"Pretty clearly a political call to action, no?But why are you defending a multimillion dollars american corporation trying to educate children?
>>109434693>2020 floyd riots>historicaltrannies can't even keep their facts straight
You guys think Jelly is less of a racist now that she has been told to be better by her betters?
>>109436066no. if anything, jelly's n fatigue probably worsened because of all this.
>>109430416>Maybe don't be offended when they say 'no racists or bigots allowed'?But I am racist and bigotted (and homophobic, and xenophobic, and fatphobic, and anti-semitic, and ableist, and sexist, and ageist, and...)
>>109436689Then you are not welcome in phase. Drop your username so their mods can permaban you from all their chats
>>109436787sure its internetmouse, i'll expect a ban in the next 20 minutes
>>109436689When someone says "no racists allowed" they usually don't mean "you as a person aren't allowed if you hold those beliefs", they mean "we don't want to allow a certain kind of behavior or discourse inside our private space". It should only be an issue if being a racist is your ONLY defining trait or if you are too much of a sperg to follow behavioral norms appropriate to the space you're currently in.
>>109436925Its weird they didnt terminate Pippa yet then isnt it?
>>109437166What has Pippa said that's been openly racist in recent years?
>>109437195well she was applying to ICE on stream recently? does that count?
>>109437367Idk man, it's kind of a different situation but it's probably worth noting at this point that they haven't fired Jelly either.
>>109430416Fuck you, let me be a racist bigot in my racist bigot corpo, holocuck
>>109431824It's very easy to not post anything about a nothingburger DLC. And yet she did it.Why? Because she's grifting the fuck out of the chuds and it's working.
>>109430369no one was terminated or suspended though?
>>109437502
>>109432123Just don't call people "racists and bigots" when they aren't.It's that easy.
>>109437522clara the leftychud was, in any case sakana really needs take accountability and discipline their staff to not do stupid pr moves
>>109430416>What a weird hill for you to choose to die on.It really isnt. 'Bigotry' is one of those fun non-terms that means whatever you want it to mean because in its strict interpretation bias against bigotry is self-targeting hypocrisy. You tie it to racism because you want to link the two terms and give 'bigot' the same equivalent status to 'racist', for the explicit purpose of then using it for selective moderation.>one example of a bigot is complaining about political viewpoints left of Louis XIV>is someone a bigot for complaining about political viewpoints right of Robespierre? Of course notBigot means whatever you want it to mean, and then you tie to 'bigot or racist' to give it the impact as if it were a term with strict definitions and necessarily harsh punishments
>>109437782I really don't think she was. I can buy that she's been sick for a while now of being at the center of all this drama and when she saw a new shit ton of it heading her way when she hasn't even done anything this time she just decided she didn't want to do it anymore.
>>109437955>XIVFINAL FANTASY 14 LETS GO
>>109430369aren't phase all in on the mindset of>any publicity is good publicity if anything, this is the most relevant they've been in a good while
>>109435505It's very odd to me that there's actual BLM content in there but it gets conveniently swept under the rug whenever the topic comes up so people can pretend da raycists are outraged over MLK and Rosa Parks
>>109437955Now THIS is cope.
>Jelly apologizes to HER FANS and other Phase members for stressing them out>doesn't apologize to the people who felt offended by her tweet>says that fishman apologized in private, and she bought him a self-help book>people are still mad about this because they didn't apologize in public or retract the apology, which would only escalate the issue because then twitterfags would feel validated about hating on Phase for racismAh, I see. It really was just culture wars from the start, none of the people who got outraged ever cared about Jelly or anything. She was just a tool to fight against Twitter.
>>109438639>>says that fishman apologized in privatedegrade in public and "apologize" in private. fishman is a snake
>>109439179>release statement for the twittertards who don't watch streams>do the important things in private because they don't watch streams and will never knowSounds reasonable to me.
>>109438639>which would only escalate the issue because then twitterfags would feel validated about hating on Phase for racismThe only thing that validates and encourages them is surrender. To someone motivated to harm, agreeing that the initial attacks were justified simply justifies further attacks, while also showing that those attacks work. There is no position you can take that is good to them, only one safe from them. If they are ineffective, they mostly stop.
>>109438390no, worse, its autism
This really reminds me of the good ol' "Tell someone they are being victimized and taken advantage of by X, despite they themselves saying nothing is wrong and having all the information know nothing is wrong." Truly screams a "Savior" complex from people with no stake in caring about Phase or their talents, but who showed up for the retarded political and culture war. Jelly can say everything is fine in complete earnest, not a single sign or signal that she was forced to do so or is even trying to cover for Sakana or Phase, doesn't matter. Every talent that people were praising a few days ago for supporting her and "going against Sakana" can come out and say the same thing, but these same "fans" don't care.
>>109440678tons of long time fans, even lia's editor, came out hating the statement.just look at the comments on the stream.this desperte "tourist" bullshit ain't working you snake.
>>109441047>this desperte "tourist" bullshit ain't workingDon't forget>yab>Wtf is this zoomer term?>I doubt that, the correct term is yapper. Yabs has never been used in any meaningful way>>109290290>>109290854
>>109440678>not a single sign or signal that she was forced to do so or is even trying to cover for Sakana or PhaseThis shit straight up sounds like she was at gunpointhttps://youtu.be/9sNi4Zhue_I?t=12771
>>109441265Well yes. Except what's held at gunpoint is her future employment, obviously
>>109437367But that's such obvious bullshit that both sides can't help but just laugh. Who the fuck actually thinks a Vtuber is gonna sign up for ICE.
>>109435155This might be the tuffest pic I've seen in a long time
>>109441320They accepted a libtard journalist who shit on Trump on her Facebook and applied as a joke. They'll take anyone
>>109430369New staff, much bigger audience, and probably an assumption that their old audience was gone rather than simply showing improved etiquette. As far as they knew, this was a completely new thing with new players, but it was actually the old thing and could have been solved the same old way.
>>109432212Not like a lot of phase fans watched streams either.
>>109433956racists and bigots lmao.
