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>>109465874
I refuse to believe she's still seething.
Is this just another thread on Deme's last melty or did something new happen?

>woman is jealous
whoa

>>109466259
which one? OP or Deme

>>109466352
both retards

careful deme, you'll give yourself a heart attack seething this hard.

>>109465874
She should call out Clio as well

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If anyone cares here's the evidence Olivia is botting.
Almost all of Olivia's viewers have accounts created in late 2024-early 2025. She has ~0 viewers with accounts created from April-July 2025, and then a huge number over viewers with accounts created in September 2025, and then now viewers from months afterwards.

>>109467180
Everybody knows Olivia's streams are botted.
They also know she's not the one doing it.
Deme's been pissing her pants because she thinks somehow Olivia's making more money than her or something.

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>>109467180
For comparison here's the same tool analyzing Grimmi. She has an even spread of viewers stretching back to 2019, and in fact most of her viewers have accounts created before 2019. The tool is open source and anyone can download it, you can go to any random streamer and you'll see the same pattern. It's just Olivia and a handful of others who have these bizarre results where all of their viewers have recently-created accounts clustered around certain months.

>>109467238
This is what's known as "attacking the messenger". Deme didn't do anything wrong by bringing a real problem to public attention. She didn't claim Olivia is botting herself. Of course, if you want, you can nitpick her statements into oblivion, but I think people deserve to known.

>>109467180
people have suspected her of viewbotting for a long time too because her growth makes no sense and her community is still tiny and the speed of her chat is that of a small 3view

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>>109467180
>inb4 the oli mod in /lig/ calling this fake.
You can't fake subscribers :) The same niggas on twitter on accusing Burnt Peanut of botting are the ones asking for "PrOof?" for Olivia. Here is the hard stats.
YOU
CAN'T
FAKE
PAYING
SUBSCRIBERS

>>109467238
Deme made a good point though which is that regardless of who's botting her, she's making the most of it by spamming sponsorships etc, making her complicit

>>109467428
that's really more of a sponsor problem if they're throwing away good money advertising to non-existant viewers

>>109467343
>She didn't claim Olivia is botting herself.
Yes she did, anon.
She went off on her stream for like 15 minutes about how she was clearly doing it to get more money, despite having no real evidence for it.

Seriously, this is what, the 4th time we've seen Deme start some kind of nonsense drama like this?

>>109467277
Grimmi said that one of her sponsored stream was botted https://x.com/GrimmiVT/status/2022040923295887575 so maybe someone should go look her streams, find an anomalous one, and deduce botting signs from there.

>>109467343
Singling one single person out when you claim to see it everywhere, while talking about how evil it is and how she's benefiting from gaming the system and it not mattering if she's even doing it herself or not, is very obviously a direct attack. Combined with the fact that she tries to make it sound like this is a vtuber specific thing, when every big streamer on twitch is already known to viewbot or be viewbotted, also makes her look like she's up to some petty sister /#/ bullshit instead of talking about a legitimate grievance.

>>109467416
So the idea here is that there are about 200-300 subs who keep renewing their subscription, ie those are real people.
How do you estimate viewers from paid subs though?

>>109467531
Can you give me a timestamp? Because I watched most of the stream and didn't hear her say that. She did talk about how Olivia benefits from the botting because of sponsors etc., but never said Olivia is doing it herself, at least from what I saw.

>>109467543
Yes, lots of people have anomalous streams, particularly during sponsors. But Olivia stands out because all of her streams are botted, and dramatically so. 90% of her viewers are bots. I think that's kinda fucked up, and not fair to other streamers who rose the natural way.

>>109467602
The point is that despite having a 75% increase in viewership from July to December, her resubs numbers remain the same. Meaning, she did not get an increase in new subsribers during that 75% increase in viewership

>>109467469
Yes, exactly, and that's not sustainable, which threatens the medium's long-term prosperity. Glad you finally understand Deme's position

>>109467633
>I think that's kinda fucked up, and not fair to other streamers who rose the natural way.
What exactly do you expect her to do if she's not the source?

>>109467659
>which threatens the medium's long-term prosperity.
The only thing threatening the medium's long-term prosperity is Deme's inability to create original content.

>>109467569
I don't find this convincing at all, sorry. I see no reason to believe that Deme hates Olivia in particular, (have they ever even interacted?), she's just a particularly egregious example because, again, 90% of her CCV is bots.

I admit that Deme is a dramamonger. If she were a real professional, she'd do an in-depth investigation, highlight multiple people, have overwhelming evidence, a full script, etc. But I also think the people turning this around and making it about Deme are being dishonest, because what she's saying is fundamentally true and shouldn't be invalidated by attacking the messenger. This thread started with a bunch of replies about "Deme seething", but it seems more like her fans are seething because their /lig/ darling's secret got aired in public.

>>109467713
I don't like reactsloptubers either, doesn't change anything about any of this though

>>109467725
The reason why Deme used Olivia as an example was because:
>The topic she was discussing on stream at the time was twitter vtubers accusing Burnt Peanut of botting
>This lead to her thinking of the most obvious vtuber viewbotting
>The people accusing Burnt Peanut of viewbotting conveniently ignores Olivia Monroe

>>109467725
>because what she's saying is fundamentally true and shouldn't be invalidated by attacking the messenger.
You can be right and still instigating harassment against somebody else for no reason.
See: the entire Phase Jelly saga.
If she actually cared about the health of the industry she'd probably give either more examples, or at least a verified number regarding what kind of earnings she'd get.

The sponsorship thing sounds incredibly dubious to me from hearing other vtubers like Doki talk about how their sponsorships and payment negotiations work.
Especially if they're going through twitch's new system, where twitch has already been shown to filter bots out of ad payouts.

>>109467662
I don't really have good advice for Olivia. I would personally like for her to acknowledge what's happening and tell the person responsible to stop doing it, but I understand why she doesn't. Most likely she'll continue to ignore it and keep accepting sponsorships as a 5-6k streamer when she's actually 500-600, but this isn't sustainable and the truth will come out eventually.

>>109467817
deme is the type of content creator where i enjoy her streams but when i see her twitter it just kind of makes me want to unsub. like i don't disagree with the points she usually tries to make, but you can just tell she's posting about shit for clicks and to make herself look good.

>>109467817
Like I already said in the post you're replying to, I agree she's not doing it in a professional way and it would be better to do a gigantic presentation covering multiple people who are botted.

The problem is that this is a taboo topic that no one talks about because they're afraid of exactly this reaction. Instead of acknowledging the problem, fans are going to engage in denial and attack the messenger. I wish someone would do a full expose, but I'm still thankful Deme did her own limited explanation of the problem because otherwise it just wouldn't get discussed at all.

>>109467416
Does this thing differs subs from gifted and individual subs?

Twitch gives you 30 days without a sub to consider it a re-sub, meaning you can re-sub through gifted by a single person using several virtual CCs in multiple throw-out accounts.

The funny thing about advertisers (marketers) is that nobody cares if they're getting ripped off, not even them. Marketing majors spend their entire careers burning someone else's money on the prospect of dubious returns. The only people on this planet that give a shit about fake views is /#/, which I suggest you fuck off to

>>109467469
I've never watched her and I don't even know what she looks like, I just don't give a shit about botting and think everyone that brings it up is almost always a /#/fag trying to attack people they specifically don't like. It's why so many people are maliciously botted, not that I'm saying Monroe is.

People like this OP retard love to say it's taking away sponsorships from real people, but no company that's going to sponsor someone with 5000 (fake) viewers is going to settle on some fucking 2 or 3 view, which is what they're really hoping for when they complain, and other people with an equivalent viewership (real or not) are not hurting for their own sponsors. Then comes the "sponsors will eventually wisen up to this and there will be a sponsorpocalypse and no one will be sponsored anymore" thing and it's like, motherfucker this has been happening since the first youtuber got their first sponsorship, and there are still businesses that only look at fucking sub/follower counts. If they suck at their own job and can't look at a few charts and they sponsor someone with very fake numbers, they simply won't sponsor that specific person again after they see the shit conversion rate, and they'll move onto someone else. Botting isn't good but it's also basically a non issue, to anyone that isn't a numberfag.

>>109467947
You obviously do give a fuck, which is why you get buttblasted when someone points out your oshi is viewbotted.

>>109467827
My first thought is that the 3AM guy is her bf and that he's a retard like Sinder's bf.

>>109467996
You vastly overestimate how many people /here/ actually care about Olivia.
It's more about Deme being a nuisance.

>>109465874
if the sponsors didn't notice.. they will now thanks to her

>>109468040
That's even worse then. If it was an angry Olivia fan at least their reaction would be coming from some sort of positive basis. Instead you're mad at someone for saying accurate but embarrassing things.
>dude everyone knows the emperor is naked, stop talking about it like youre some sort of genius for noticing, salty hater

>>109468092
>Instead you're mad at someone for saying accurate but embarrassing things.
No, I'm mostly annoyed at Deme for trying to cause another drama out of nowhere and instigate harassment.
Again.

>>109468112
You should be mad at whoever's botting her, not the person exposing the botting.

>>109468128
You can be mad at 2 people.

>>109468128
She defends botting, just not with people she doesn't like. She defended the peanut faggot in her stream. Hell, she's just starting drama to start drama, she's a huge drama faggot. But your also a retard so there's no point replying to you. Someone should make fun of deme on her post for getting back together with her boyfriend that stabbed her, what a retard.

Literally who x2

>>109467827
Why do you expect her to

A. Know who is doing it
B. Deliberately nuke her own income

>>109468201
>She defends botting, just not with people she doesn't like.
No I think you do that. You like Olivia and not peanut, and you definitely don't like Deme, to the point you have all her previous relationship details memorized. All of your judgments are based on who you do and don't like rather than what's actually going on.

>>109467725
>I see no reason why this person hates this other person when they personally singled them out

So, anon, tell us about your lobotomy.

>>109465874
I want Deme to sit on my face while Oli sucks my pp

Irrelevant woman jealous of slightly smarter and more successful irrelevant woman. Usual twitch garbage.

>>109468316
She singled her out because she's the single most egregious example of viewbotting in vtubing, at least that I've ever seen. Can you show me someone else with graphs like this? >>109467180

>>109468310
>You like Olivia and not peanut
NTA but that was pointing out a contradiction, not a direct defense you brain-addled simp.
Why is Deme defending one botter but going to great lengths to attack another? If she actually cared about botting as a concept she would attack BOTH.
Do you not see the problem here?

>>109468310
I don't watch either of these bitches. But I know this retard loves being beaten and stabbed by her jamal, and that your just some retarded faggot. Especially when twitch sponsorships don't count bots for sponsor payments but you love to spam the thread about it like a dumbass. But hey, keep defending random retarded dramaniggers.

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>>109468345
Yes, tourist.
Yes, we absolutely can.
We have an entire cesspool dedicated to it called /#/ where you should be taking your nonsense. Hell, they've categorized this shit.

>>109468350
>>109468363
>>109468364
So just to be clear: according to you guys, viewbotting is fine. What's bad is to point out that someone is viewbotting, because it might reflect badly on them. It might hurt somebody's feelings, so no one should ever talk about it publicly. Hell, everyone should just viewbot themselves to 50k, why not, you're only taking money from sponsors.

>>109468490
No, we're saying that you're a retarded simp way out of his depth.
You don't care about viewbotting. You care about Deme.
You'd fit right in with /#/

>i'm gonna reply to every post telling me i'm dumb just to keep my shitty thread alive
yawwwwn

>>109468490
Jesus your retarded, bots don't give sponsor money you fucking idiot, not on twitch anyway. And I ask you anon, what should this bitch do if a random guy is betting her? Never stream again? Cause that's not happening. God vtuber fans are some of the most retarded people on the fucking planet, guess that's what happens when you spend all your time jacking off the chuubas.

>>109468517
I don't care about Deme. I care about what's true. And what I've seen here is that no one has any meaningful objections to what she actually said, because it's true, and instead they have a bunch of deflections about Deme's personal life and whataboutism regarding another streamer.

>>109468574
The only whataboutiam is coming from you, you dumbass.

>>109468570
>And I ask you anon, what should this bitch do if a random guy is betting her? Never stream again?
Has anyone actually suggested this? Me? Deme? A rando on Twitter or in chat? You're trying to turn this into an attack on Olivia by some evil bitch so that you can deflect from the facts. And it's not working.

>>109468596
So you don't know what whataboutism is, got it.

>>109468611
You've still never answered why Deme defended peanut if she cared about botting
(hint: It's because he's bigger than her even without bots)

>>109468611
Yeah, the retarded shit your trying to do isn't working and everyone can see that your a complete dumbass. But hey, your the only person on the planet that isn't a dumbass right, everyone else is wrong, only you are right. God your such a moron, but you are a /vt/ user so that makes sense.

>>109468638
Because the level of evidence for peanut just isn't nearly as great as in this case. I've seen one sketchy graph from peanut where he inclines massively after his sponsor ends, but y'know, that happens sometimes, personally I always skip sponsors. It's possible he's botted, but it's also possible he grew naturally.

Meanwhile for Olivia there's overwhelming evidence because all of her viewers registered their accounts in a few recent months. No one else has graphs like that. You can go to any random streamer on Twitch and see this.

>>109468672
>Because the level of evidence for peanut just isn't nearly as great as in this case.
He has just as much evidence.
You're just too stupid to know what you're looking at and too lazy to find out.

>>109468656
>But hey, your the only person on the planet that isn't a dumbass right, everyone else is wrong, only you are right.
You might be right, because I seem to be the only one who can talk about these botting accusations with going on unrelated rants like "stabbed by jamal, fucking slut, retarded faggot".

>>109468701
Why don't you post the evidence then?
And hey, let's say hypothetically that you're right. Then Deme was wrong and he was botting, she made a mistake. So what? It's a mistake, she didn't see the evidence. So why don't you show us that evidence now, and we'll settle that question.

>>109468743
>she made a mistake
She made no mistake
She's making drama. She knows it's a fucking awful idea to start drama against somebody with a a community big enough to swallow you whole.

>>109468773
Mmhmm. Still waiting on that evidence btw.

>>109468794
Nah, it's 3 AM. Go bother /#/ and I'm sure they'll hook you up.
Good luck with Deme. You should try stabbing her. I hear she likes that.

>>109468822
I accept your concession.

>>109468836
Aight, have fun with it.

I just want to say batposting and its consequences have been a disaster for /vt/

>>109465934
she vague tweeted about backlash and had a melty in her offline chat but thats about it, she still sees herself as in the right

>>109467180
t. schizophrenia

Also worth mentioning is Deme dropped this on the same day Olivia found out her father is dying so kind of a bitch move

If shondo is siding with you that by itself is a massive redflag but some of you retards never learn. Sunk cost fallacy? You bet!

All this and the last thread shows me is that Olivia has a strong and active defense force

>>109467343
>She didn't claim Olivia is botting herself
She literally said she was on stream >>109467602
>>109467937
You cant see how many subs someone has on Twitch, only estimate it. Everywhere you see Twitch sub data from the last year or so has been based on scraping the vod chat for gift subs and resub messages. The API does not give you sub data. I can resub outside of a stream or not send a sub message and I will not appear in this data.
>>109467357
As someone who actually watches small 2 and 3views this is wrong. Olivias chat feels more to me like around 1000-1500 ccv and isn't particularly emote spammy like some. Her Discord hangouts usually have around 100-130 people in them and for comparison Shondos Discord streams usually have 160-180 and she has around 2k ccv average. For a GFE type streamer sge doesn't get a lot of Twitter interaction but thats probably because she focuses on Discord (she has around a quarter million messages sent there and regularly uploads voice messages)

>>109469186
oli is a lig darling and deme is a bpd dramafag retard so that doesnt surpise me

All this and the last thread shows me is that Deme has a strong and active schizo force

>>109469264
>Her Discord hangouts usually have around 100-130 people in them and for comparison Shondos Discord streams usually have 160-180 and she has around 2k ccv average.
is this meant to be proof that she's not botting... ?

>>109469297
Read the post again I never claimed anything about botting or who might be doing it. Fwiw I think Olivia has around 1.5-2k natural ccv based on her streams I have watched from late 2023 onwards and her growth since then.

>>109465874
>mythictalent
>the company owned by assmadgald
>who also was shown to have 15 viewers at best in the week that twitch actually took care of viewbots
>always exactly 10k viewers over hasan
lol

THREAD REMINDER

Deme browses /vt/
Say hi to Deme and say something nice to her!

the n word

>>109469352
deme is FAT and i hope the uk border force profiles her again and deports her

deme is so fat and disgusting, even vultures will leave her corpse alone.

>>109469352
Deme ass is so fat that I want it on my face

>>109469186
>All this and the last thread shows me is that Olivia has a strong and active defense force
Oli is irrelevant but Deme suddenly namedropping her specifically is a bitch move. why not namedrop ex.Clio, who’s known for getting bots in lig and #? because she knew the Phase army would go after her, dox her, and she’d never think of streaming again

>>109469277
>lig darling
christ this is worse than being # darling, all they do is goon to rtx or ai rtx

>>109469521
Show us Clios stats faggot

deme 100% got pissy and mad that oli is slim, unlike her.

>>109469523
oli has never posted rtx and ai rtx is only posted by one schizo who makes ai deepfakes and spends all his time posting to himself on an abandoned forum

>>109469562
the indies post rtx themselves you fucking midwit lmao

>>109469577
indies arent posting ai rtx in lig retard

>>109469612
yeah whatever retard deme did anything btw

>>109469642
nothing wrong btw

>"f-fat!"
>"b-brown!"
>"b-bpd!"
>"r-retarded!"
>"j-jealous!"
>"d-dramafag!"
Yet, none of you have called her wrong. You literally can't lmao

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>>109469534
>stats
Just watch her fucking stream right now, there are like 3 people in her chat out of 3k viewers

She's wrong

>>109469696
deme you are fat, brown, bpd, retarded, jealous and a dramafag. you are also fat and brown.

>>109469642
>>109469683
esl melty

>>109469562
>oli has never
this is irrelevant my point is from my experience lig is a cesspit and being it's darling is sad

why did deme post about the "viewbotting problem in the vtubing sphere" and that "the worst one" is olivia but now she says that oli is the only one sge knows about who is botting other than countetstrike streamers? seems like a false premise to say that vtubing is being ruined and sponsorships will go away if there is only one example of a vtuber botting she can give

>imagine deme posted proof that oli was botting, how would you feel?
>but i hate deme.
>yes, but imagine she was right. how would you feel?
>why are you saying deme is good? shes fat bpd whore.
>imagine that didn't matter though. how would you feel about oli botting?
>i dont understand the question

>>109469698
So no proofs, well you fumbled really fast, althou it wasn’t something unexpected

>>109469521
Leave Clio out of this shit

deme is seething how everybody is focusing in her fattness and not oli. I like that a lot.

>>109469891
Why? Clio is botted too.

>>109469871
>proofs
jesus christ, phasefags actually have room temp IQs

Deme, I hope you let your crazy boyfriend stab you again in the other leg so you lose that leg as well. Hopefully that will double your weight to 600 pounds.

>>109470064
she’s probably “ragebaiting” him like crazy now that she’s stressing out so that might actually happen lol

Hololive bots too so it's ok

>>109465874
>thinking sponsors aren't aware ccv is fake as fk

>>109470211
she is smoothbrained please understand

>>109469870
Waiting for any proof that Olivia is viewbotting.

>>109465874
For those out of the loop, a schizo from /lig/ has been maliciously botting Olivia for closing in on two years, hoping for drama like this to happen. He made himself very obvious.

However, Deme didn't get the response she was hoping for as Olivia is well-liked and has a very good reputation, on top of her good friend fallenshadow coming out in her defense to say definitively that she is not botting herself (as established, we already know this).

So now that he isn't getting traction in /lig/, /3am/, or any other thread he might've tried this in, he keeps posting catalog threads about it even though Deme has already backed down and it's over.

>>109470211
the stupid part is that the sponsors provide creators with codes and can see the engagement they get from those and they have been happy to sponsor olivia multiple times, and sponsors taken through twitch pay out based on twitches actual internal metrics which use real data so deme is sperging out about the death of vtubing over nothing

>>109470329
>Deme has already backed down
no she hasn’t she’s still going on twitter

>>109470211
Sponsors use two metrics to determine payouts. For sponsored streams, they use average CCV. For longer-term sponsorships, they use watchhours, which is just CCV x stream time. So you're just totally wrong, they do rely on CCV, as it's the only objective measure of a streamer's reach, the only alternative would to go on vibes.

>>109470435
https://x.com/demenishki/status/2022238718132719848
https://x.com/demenishki/status/2022455808030888309

The MOMENT Shondo showed up she flipped because this was always about dramafarming and she never expected a bigger vtuber to come to bat for Olivia.

>>109470329
>Last post 2 hours ago
Yeah... She backed down alright... Haha...

https://logs.spanix.team/?channel=deme&username=deme
Demes logs talking to her offline chat

>>109470520
https://x.com/demenishki/status/2022618714072399989
>its not accusations its unfortunate thats she’s botted.
She flipped.

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>>109470538
lmao

>>109470385
Some sponsorships use codes and your revenue is based on how many people use your code. But if someone sponsors you to stream Honkai Star Rail for two hours they use CCV to determine payouts, and there usually isn't even a code involved.

Also, I'm calling bullshit on the "twitch internal metrics" thing. The entire point of the CCV changes this year was to make your displayed CCV match your actual viewership. It makes absolutely no sense that they would have a second, real CCV that's only displayed on "internal metrics" that filters out bots, and no one has ever posted evidence of these internal metric showing lower actual CCV than what's displayed publicly.

>>109470538
>but i dont think anyone should be canceled for just wanting more money
this bitch is actually so fucking fake it’s crazy lmao

>>109470553
https://x.com/demenishki/status/2022624169427353683
>whether or not it’s her isn’t really my concern, it’s her profiting from it.
>I would’ve loved to not single out olivia
She's still going on about it, clearly in an attempt to get someone else to go in against Oli now that Shondo told her fat ass to shut the fuck up
Dumb bitch can't take the L

>>109470584
so you know better than twitch and twitch allow themselves to be defauded?

>she backed down!
>she flipped!
>she's still going on about it!
God the ODF are schizo.

OH NONONONO DEMESISTERS???

>>109470673
No, I just don't believe there's an internal CCV that differs from displayed CCV. I have never seen anyone from Twitch claim this, quite the opposite, they went to great lengths last year to emphasize that they're changing CCV to remove bots.

I have literally never heard of this obvious Filian ripoff before

>>109470329
>ackshually, le malicious schizo is helping the ethot he hates make 6 figures a month
>she totally doesn't do that, w-why would she lie about that
>l-look, the habitual liar also said that she's totally not doing that!

I remember seeing one clip of deme where she retardedly said the reason she has big boobs on her model was to deter loli allegations and not bc she is desperete for simp bucks.

Twitch really is home to the most morally bankrupt people alive. souless freaks. Idk oliva but I will be on her side for this one.

>>109465934
Yeah she's still seething about it, see >>109469522

olivia please stream today i love you and need you in my veins

Buy a fucking ad.

>>109470569
the magical death threats Deme will never post proof of

Woman

>>109467966
Oh whoops I meant to reply to >>109467725 I should've realized way sooner

>>109469522
>why is it so rampant in vtubing this is very dire and important to me
>I only know 1 example btw lol
well that's as hard a confirmation she wanted to start shit as you can get

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>>109471200
>>109469522
Pretty ironic when all her profits came from leeching off other "content creators" content

>>109472680
That's her YT channel. Alana YT channel looks the same but on Stream she also does other things

>>109472680
I’d say that’s how your average 2-3 view vtuber channel looks like.

>>109470484
lmao you're such a fucking moron it's hilarious

>>109470500
>didn't even respond to nina

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>>109472334
shondo's simps are notoriously retarded though

>>109469698
>15 chat messages in 11 minutes
Jeezas, I've watched low 2views with way more active chats

>>109470955
Yeah, there's no way Mythic would be botting their talents and taking in more sponsorship money than they normally would have gotten. This is all the work a rogue individual who hates the chuuba so much that the individual independently and continuously bots the chuuba so that they can rake in way more money than their channel would normally allow the chuuba to make.
my fucking sides

>>109465874
who?

>>109472867
>Alana YT channel
Literally who

>>109476234
smugalana is a chud grifter like leaflit, powdur or squchan

>>109476234
You don't visit the Catalog often then, she got an General here

this fat retard has a brain as disabled as her fat body

>>109470584
>But if someone sponsors you to stream Honkai Star Rail for two hours they use CCV to determine payouts, and there usually isn't even a code involved.
This is retarded. Every single person who's talked about sponsors talks about how direct sponsorship payments have to be negotiated.
Snuffy notoriously was being paid peanuts by sponsors because she was an idiot and always undersold herself

>>109465874
Why does she give a fuck?
She's just starting drama for no reason, bitch must be falling off and needs a boost

>>109465874
>>109471200
>blatant viewbotting in vtubing sphere
>only vtuber I know about it
great job Deme! It must REALLY be rampant then!

deme really need to shutfuckup and clean her house before going around trying to take fights with people smaller than her. Are she still watching movies every friday afternoon and acting it's fine because she was never caught?

Deme running a demonstration on how to get excluded from collabs for the rest of your career.

What does she possibly have to gain from this? From where I'm standing she's only going to lose and alienate people that could help her.

Why does Olivia Monroe bot her streams so heavily? Is it to scam sponsors?

>>109478239
Every streamer bots and it's not even always ones they are paying for. Multiple data scraping bots run on twitch at all times and fans and even antis run bot farms on streams.

It's a bad idea to accuse someone of botting unless you have your facts straight.

>>109478364
She should stop botting.

>deme starting shit again
she's retarded, loud and annoying, easily one of the worst vtubers i've seen (at least from the bigger ones)

>>109478110
This is kind of run of the course for deme at this point. Like every couple of months she just shit stirs in hope she gets more popular

>>109476426
I took a look and they're seething about our thread lmao

I like Olivia but the botting is obvious and I genuinely am curious what the fuck is going on. Her confirming someone is fucking with her would be enough. Refusing to address it just isn't working.

>>109481134
>please please please please please respond to my drama baiting please itll be worth it please please respond you must respond
(you)

Why did Deme stream the entire Toy Story 2 movie on stream with a fake Trailer watermark at the bottom? Doesn't she care about stealing opportunities from oppressed film companies?

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>>109465874
I mean yeah Deme said a factual statement. The only person I can think of with more bots than Olivia is the retarded peanut.

Is it possible for deme to stop being a drama whore? Others botting does not hurt you at all you jealous bitch.

>>109481687
While Olivia is def not doing the botting herself, Mythic Talent is well known for botting its talents.

>>109484118
Deme is the peanut's biggest dickrider though

>>109467569
That's pretty much how it goes whenever it gets brought up. They do not want anyone to discuss it and start spamming threads about the botting situation. Good to see others are nooticing.

>>109470329
This is starting to sound a little tin foil hatty...

deme is fat and brown

>>109485012
>fat and brown and has proofs of botting

>>109484308
That you can give her shit for.

>>109484181
it definitely does impact sponsorship rates if sponsors aren't seeing click through rate / sign-up conversions that they're expecting to see given a much higher viewership

>>109486013
Sponsors are well aware of the botting going on, they dont care, they have direct access to better data then anyone else so they know peoples actual numbers. If they had an actual problem with this they would of done something years and years ago.

>>109465874
honestly based

>>109470329
lol do you honestly believe anyone to believe that some schizo has been botting some whore nonstop for two fucking years? fucking retarded

>>109487050
where do people get 2 years from? her numbers only got weird last july

>>109486812
I think you overestimate how much technical knowledge marketing departments have. Most likely the average simian from /#/ has better knowledge of botting and streaming generally than boomer ad men.

>>109487050
I've said this in another thread but ennacuck exists, provably. If he exists (and he's been doing it far longer rhan two years) there's no doubt other schizos doing the same thing exist. Denying it only makes you seem either extremely divorced from reality or one of the botting schizos yourself.

>>109487157
nta but yes, usually marketing department are absolute monkeys that struggle to properly explain what they want, but usually they usually have several clever analysts that compensate low iq of the whole department

>>109487050
You underestimate schizos. She was in a group called 3am until recently that had some pretty intense schizos against it in the liggy.

>>109487157
Anon...... Its not the marketing departments collecting that data, its twitch or youtube. Thats who they are getting it from, and they absolutely know who is botting.

>>109487641
The only reason I can think of for Twitch and Youtube to know which streams are botted but deliberately hide than info is so that they can trick sponsors into thinking they're bigger platforms than they actually are. In other words, if they have that info but aren't displaying it correctly on the CCV tab, they'd hide it from sponsors as well.

She doesn't truly care about the sponsor thing
She just found a target that won't fight back and thought everyone would be on her side
They weren't and she backtracked pretty quickly while still seethe posting vaguely

>>109487935
They dont hide the data from sponsors. Do you think sponsors are fucking stupid and dont know bots exist? They dont publicly display it because they dont care what viewers think, they will only show advertisers that shit. Also bigger number = more people tend to click, so atleast from a viewer perspective its more useful not to let them know. But on the advertisers side, they completely know everything. When twitch rolled out that anti bot shit for a week and nuked so many people, it showed that twitch is well aware of the bots, how they work, and who has them.

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>>109488190
>Do you think sponsors are fucking stupid and dont know bots exist?

Deme fat lol

>>109488726
Clearly too much pagpag. This is incredibly brown behavior. She has to be dark skinned even for a Filipino.

>>109467935
Deme tackled the problem with the class of a catty high school girl

>>109487935
>The only reason I can think of for Twitch and Youtube to know which streams are botted but deliberately hide than info is so that they can trick sponsors into thinking they're bigger platforms than they actually are.
It's because it takes time to actually sift them out so while it's live they just put whatever's there and then filter them after it's over. It's why on Youtube stream views often seem extremely low right after they end, going to their real view count after about 24 hours.

>>109489475
I think that's just a tech hiccup. Youtube videos get botted all the time and they don't do anything to filter it out.
There's really no reason for these platforms to have a hidden or post-hoc filtering mechanism, it only helps them unless it becomes such a problem that it creates a crisis of confidence, and if they ever did have to implement a system they could and would do it in real-time. Some of the lazier botting that was done against FWMC/Biboo etc. featured real-time culls.

>>109467827
how is this not sustainable, faggot? are the sponsors going to run out of money?

twitch staffers have already shat on every third party website as unreliable for detecting bots because they all rely on methodology that doesnt actually cover how many viewers are really there

>>109490271
>trusting twitch staff

>>109490839
yes the schizophrenic monkeys from /#/ are much more reliable

>>109488190
Yes. Not everyone is technically inclined. Marketers don't have the same skillset as an IT analyst. Why is this surprising to people?

>>109490030
viewbots and stream ccv bots are apparently handled differently since ccv bots don't seem to count as views after the stream.

>>109491353
marketing departments are full of data analysts

>>109491322
Yes. I trust schizo autists more than I trust tech-illiterate PRtroons.

>>109491484
The management of marketing departments are stereotypical Mad Men boomers. Their rank and file employees are women. Neither of these groups know anything about tech. The workflow of actual quants is subordinate to both.

>>109491762
retard with zero experience of corpo life.

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>>109491877
Cope and seethe.

>>109491762
>I get all of my information about corporations from tv shows

deme says that shes speaking out about this out of principle or some shit but nobody believes that right? what's the history between those two? what sort of catty bullshit is the true genesis of this beef????

>>109492149
i've only ever seen them interact in a filian collab

>>109491353
Retard read my post. The marketers are not the ones finding the data, Its twitch GIVING it to them.

>>109492149
>nobody believes that right?
Only her fans (and some male 1view who keeps arguing with people in her replies and QTs for some reason). If she was being genuine she'd call out other obvious ones, and she specifically defended the peanut claiming he wasn't botting.
>what's the history between those two?
Nothing at all as far as I'm aware; if there is beef it must have been created behind the scenes. I think as other anons have suggested in the thread it's more likely Deme just wanted to cause a bit of drams to boost herself for a bit (she's done it before) and picked who she thought was the easiest target who wouldn't fight back.

>>109492217
Only complete degenerate would take data straight from twitch. It’s obvious thep platform is not interested in showing how bad things really are, so the’l say that all vievers are real, bots are less than 1% and everyone happyly watches ads. Any somewhat sustainable company uses 3rd party tools to do background checks.

>>109492149
Deme has a history of starting random drama every few months or so. This is not the first time she's called out someone like this.

>>109492711
Which third-party tools? May I see them?

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>>109492863
the only tool that people bring up is viewermetrics and here is the methodology it uses

>>109492341
I think its likely she specifically waited for Olivia to basically go on a health break before namedropping her, so she wouldn't be around to defend herself. Peanut is still active, so picking a fight with him would have resulted in immediate responses and backlash, as well as him being an FPS guy, Deme would want to suck up to him so she could maybe leech some clout.

>>109492967
This is a cool open-source tool but the first pre-release was four months ago, it's not something any company could have been using long-term. I'm not aware of any others outside of eyeballing streamscharts graphs. I suppose it's possible that corpos are developing in-house tools, but paying premium salaries to software engineers to check for bots seems like a losing proposition.

>>109493252
no company would use it because it works on a bunch of baseless assumptions

>>109493252
Exactly. People severely overestimate these companies and how much their employees actually care beyond getting a paycheck.

>>109492711
You really dont know how corporations work. If Twitch was actively lying that would open them up to a massive lawsuit. Also not interested in showing how bad things are? You dumb retard, twitch repeatedly brings up they dont make money. And of course advertisers also run their own personal check alongside that data. What a dumb fucking response.

>>109493297
It's pretty convincing to me, I don't see how all of Oli's viewers could have coincidentally registered their accounts in a few months in 2024 when everyone else has a wide spread going back well before 2020. I'm sure it could be improved but it does detect (some) bots.

>>109493392
There are actual numbers displayed on the screen that everyone agrees are fake and easy to manipulate. So they absolutely are lying.

>>109465874
Whome and Wholivia?

>>109493540
Anon that's not the data they give to the sponsors

>>109493540
Thats not what advertisers are looking at retard.

>>109490271
twitch staff were probably eating babies on epstein's island why would trust anything they say

>>109493634
>>109493663
Where is this other data and how does it differ from the ACCV metric Twitch displays? May I see it? Can you give me a clip of a vtuber or fleshstreamer talking about transferring their internal data to sponsors?
Keep in mind that Twitch violates laws all the time. You can stream copyrighted music, which is an IP violation, radio stations pay licensing fees for right to broadcast music. All that happens on Twitch is your vod gets muted. Given the wild-west atmosphere of tech I see no reason to assume they're entirely on the level here.

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>>109493828
Wow big surprise another incredibly retarded post. No company on earth hands out commercial data to random people.
>Can you give me a clip of a vtuber or fleshstreamer talking about transferring their internal data to sponsors?
LOL this dumb fuck thinks the streamers gives them the data, No you retard. The go ask twitch or their fucking talent agency that manages them.

>>109493828
>All that happens on Twitch is your vod gets muted.
I wonder if your dumbass realizes that complies with the law. You dont even know how DMCA works and yet you think you are intelligent enough to post about this.

Anyone got proof that Deme is fat?

>>109493952
All I'm asking for is some evidence to back up what you're saying. I understand you consider it obvious, but if it's so obvious, there should be an example of Twitch talking about it, a streamer talking about it, a sponsor talking about it, anyone. That's not a crazy request.

>>109494042
Streaming copyright music is not allowed under the DMCA. Radio stations pay licensing fee. Streaming services like Spotify pay actual royalties. Twitch just gets away with paying nothing because no one bothers to stop them.

>>109494174
>Streaming copyright music is not allowed under the DMCA.
It is not, so they silence or delete the vods. That complies with the law, again you do not understand DMCA.

>>109493952
You just over estimate the due diligence companies actually do. There's a reason why most don't last beyond 5 years in average, people are stupid. It seems to be an internet influencer (vtuber included) issue that's gone one since Youtube swapped and justin.tv became Twitch.

>>109494080
She's appeared in person on fleshies streams, and she posts pics occasionally on twitter.

>>109492863
I work mostly with mobile development so can’t really name anything credible from social media platforms.
>>109493392
faggot, “lying” is a very serious word that may lead to lawsuit, let’s use something like depersonified analytics.
> twitch repeatedly brings up they dont make money
How this relates to amount of real viewers from potential advertizer perspective. Platform can in debts due to poor management but if the amount of bots and dead users is minimal it’s a good sign for advertisers

>>109494254
>You just over estimate the due diligence companies actually do.
There are indeed tons of stupid companies, but to pretend every single one is retarded, is nothing more than stupidity itself. If advertising did not work no one would do it. (That doesnt mean all of it is effective, but their sure is plenty that is.)

>>109494232
The DMCA requires them to take down copyrighted content, yes. But Twitch also flouts the DMCA by allowing streamers to infringe on copyright - even streaming the songs in the first place is a copyright violation. The 24-hour rom rule is not part of the DMCA. Do you not know that?

>>109492149
>what's the history between those two?
They were in a collab once
Deme said that all of her interactions with Olivia have been positive

>>109494426
>But Twitch also flouts the DMCA by allowing streamers to infringe on copyright - even streaming the songs in the first place is a copyright violation.
So dmca doesnt require immediate take down, it just needs you to show your trying. For fuck sake go read the god damn law. As long as Twitch shows activity by removing the vod or muting it. That is considered good faith and compliance with the law..

>>109494426
DMCA is also extremely often abused, and to actually contest a DMCA claim you essentially have to dox yourself to the one that claimed it. Tons have actually gotten dox off vtubers doing exactly that. So uhh yeah, even if you're solo give yourself a LLC with a P.O. box. Then you can slam those fakers without doxing yourself.

>>109494512
Wrong. The takedown is immediate after hitting a count, then you have to provide legal information to prove ownership after. People use it often to dox others.

>>109494370
It's simply a waste of time to do extensive due diligence in these cases. People are paying 3-5view streamers something 1-2x CCV to do 1-hour sponsored streams. Most of them are legit, and detecting bots is hard. So no one does it, it's not worth putting a huge amount of effort into preventing a small amount of fraud.

>>109494174
>All I'm asking for is some evidence to back up what you're saying.
I am not a company you dumb retard, i cant request it. Would you like to bring up a single company that publicly talks about internal data? And yes it is a crazy request you retard. Because you dont understand how shit works. Commercial data is not freely available. You waant the info? Go contact their businesss team, they are the ones that handle. Now lets watch you come up with some stupid cope.

>>109494625
Yup, it's more of a rotating advertising budget than anything. They expect to spend/lose so much for marketing.

>>109493828
>Can you give me a clip of a vtuber or fleshstreamer talking about transferring their internal data to sponsors?
No because the sponsors don't go to the streamers first.
This is literally what agents and agencies are for. And in twitch's case it's all automated now.
We also know they know exactly how to filter most kinds of bots since it nearly killed the platform last year when they tried to do it and how many creators like charlie commented on how they filter out the bots when paying out adrev. And separately, we have several cases of creators getting scammed and being underpaid by sponsors because they don't actually know how to negotiate a price or what their numbers are actually worth.

What exactly do you think the process is for somebody to get a sponsorship?

>>109494625
>and detecting bots is hard
Considering Twitch nuked them, thats completely wrong. Twitch knows all about them. But spending ungodly amounts of time and money banning them, its simpler to just track and not let the bot nets know you know. So they cut out the known bots and thats the data they give to advertisers.

>>109465874
Who and whoer?

>>109494794
>Considering Twitch nuked them
They didn't though, they nuked one generation. This is what you aren't understanding. It's the same with cracking games. They program AROUND the traps in the next interation. How do you think Trainers as programs survive into 2026?

>>109494512
If music companies wanted to they could sue Twitch even though they take down the music in the vods, because they're still permitting their users to violate copyright. No one ever gets punished for copyright violations on Twitch and their copyright tools are a joke compared to Youtube's. They're liable for licensing fees and royalties because they essentially operate as a pirate radio station.

>>109494262
Zamn
I'd slam her hog if you know what I mean

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>>109494080
Taken from her own reddit btw
https://www.reddit.com/r/demenishki/comments/1qxx3p6/_/

>>109494886
Which is why i mentioned the last part. They dont ban them so they dont let the bot nets learn how they were discovered. This way they are tracked and they know how to cut them out from actual metrics. That is how this works.

>>109494979
Holy fuck
Yeah I'd smash

>>109467659
It's maybe not sustainable for an individual sponsor, but maybe not because it's marketing budget and marketing budgets are notoriously wasteful, but in any case it's still only a problem for an individual sponsor who doesn't do due diligence. This is no problem for other sponsors and thus not a problem for the medium's long-term prosperity.
TLDR: Deme and her position are retarded, content creators should take advantage of unaware sponsors for all they are worth.

>>109495036
The entire point of the bot crackdown last year is that they changed the public-facing CCV. Lots of people complained about it because it was a lazy hack that both failed to stop bots and blocked real viewers from being displayed. It definitely doesn't inspire faith in these actual metrics, if they exist.

>>109494758
>What exactly do you think the process is for somebody to get a sponsorship?
I've heard a few streamers talk about it and I've never heard any of them talk about "running it through Twitch" or anything like that. As far as I can tell Twitch isn't involved at all in private sponsorship deals between companies and streamers, they're negotiated entirely privately between the parties without Twitch playing any intermediary role, either in supplying data or otherwise.

>>109495518
Twitch has its own system now that a lot of streamers are using.
https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/sponsorship-overview?language=en_US

>>109495518
Nta, but last year Twitch did introduce a kind if integrated sponsorship thing, where streamers were given a list of pre-approved sponsorships which they could select and then were given a set period in which to complete them.

>>109495602
>>109495621
Right, but that's a separate thing. You can still get your own sponsors outside of this system, and as far as I can tell, Twitch isn't involved in that at all.

>>109495366
>It definitely doesn't inspire faith in these actual metrics, if they exist.
In what world does them showing they know who the bots are and blocking them not inspire faith?

>>109495732
That's kind of an assumption in itself. It would be nice if people in the know would speak on it instead of staying silent for SOME WEIRD REASON THAT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH INCOME.

>>109495771
I doubt every account they affected was a bot

>>109495809
Perhaps not, but it worked so well a shitton of people got exposed and a bunch using viewbots literally fucking took a week vacation to wait for them to update.

>>109495771
Did you read the post you're replying to?
>it was a lazy hack that both failed to stop bots and blocked real viewers from being displayed

>>109495809
Why else would you think Twitch has so many subscribers that are less than 1 year in age?

>>109495862
>it failed
So why did the viewbotters have a shitfit and take a week vacation? Twitch shows actual proof they can target the bots and take them out is evidence the platform knows the actual metrics, you coping retard.

>>109495804
People do talk about how they get sponsorships though? Meicha talked about it today. GEEGA is founding a company that's supposed to serve as an honest broker between streamers and sponsors, she talked about it. These are just a couple examples I remember from the last couple weeks, tons of people have talked about business side of sponsorship. I've never even heard one talk about "getting the real numbers from Twitch".

>>109495925
>if it had any effect at all for a week, that means it worked
Not really no, it showed that botters could easily and quickly circumvent whatever Twitch did.

>>109495862
That was the youtube version, anon. Youtube was the one where people weren't getting counted at all for using adblock.
Twitch was pretty damn effective at targeting the right people. Too effective, really.

>>109495958
>. I've never even heard one talk about "getting the real numbers from Twitch".
Because thats almost like its completely irrelevant to the viewers?

>>109496058
Nigger it is proof they can track them. Which means when ti comes to metrics, they know what to cut out. This is the problem with you retard, you have no actual comeback for this point and just devolve into a circular argument.

>>109496058
It genuinely blows my mind that people know that others can crack shit like Denuvo, and think for some reason, "oh they can't crack streaming services."

Like bro. They're cracking shit that companies pay tens of thousands of dollars for within a few weeks. FOR FREE. But for some reason Twitch's metrics are sacred?

>>109496065
The Twitch ad rev system is pretty effective. That's just a totally different question from whether they're good at culling CCV bots.

>>109496086
So are like, the details of the Twitch dashboard, stuff that the streamer can see but the audience can't, private metrics, etc. But people still talk about it. Nobody talks about a hidden second real CCV because it doesn't exist.

>>109496189
Yeah I don't really get it. I'm arguing with autistic people about something that makes no sense. Happy Valentines Day, everyone.

>>109496262
>Nobody talks about a hidden second real CCV because it doesn't exist.
Well yeah because they're filtered out afterwards and shown in analytics

>>109496262
>But people still talk about it
Why would a streamer talk about metrics for an advertiser. You are profoundly retarded.

>>109496262
>Nobody talks about a hidden second real CCV because it doesn't exist.
The CCV shown on the streamers live page is not what advertisers look at.

>>109496524
There's two separate questions here. There's how Twitch determines ad rev for streams, where we have no idea how works and it's a black box. It might be filtering bots. And then there's situations where a company is sponsoring to stream a game for an hour. In that latter situation, there's no second, bot-filtered CCV sponsors can go through to verify public CCV.

>>109496712
>where we have no idea how works and it's a black box.
That is not true, it is part of their contracts....
>there's no second, bot-filtered CCV sponsors can go through to verify public CCV
There doesnt need to be you dumbass. When they offer the sponsorship its after they view metrics. They dont give a sponsorship and check AFTER.

>>109496189
Its one retard arguing in circles. Apparently being able to ban a bunch of bot networks for a week is not proof that twitch isnt aware of who is a bot?

>>109496857
>That is not true, it is part of their contracts
Contracts don't determine how the black box of the Twitch algorithm works.
>There doesnt need to be you dumbass. When they offer the sponsorship its after they view metrics. They dont give a sponsorship and check AFTER.
Streamers give them metrics from the Twitch dashboard as far as I can tell. Or link them to Twitchtracker, or whatever. There is no behind-the-scenes contact between the sponsor and Twitch to verify metrics, or if there is, no one's ever talked about it.

>>109497155
>Contracts don't determine how the black box of the Twitch algorithm works.
Im referring to how twitch determines ad rev.
>Streamers give them metrics from the Twitch dashboard as far as I can tell.
Streamers do not speak to the sponsors. That is wrong its is either twitch or their agency that does. Yes some Streamers do some sponsorships on their own, but those are insignificant minority. You have no idea what you are talking about, stop talking and proving how stupid you are.

>>109494979
... now i know why her ex wanted to return so bad, this bitch will drain your dead.

>>109497155
>Streamers give them metrics from the Twitch dashboard as far as I can tell.
Thats not how twitch bounty board works...

>>109494907
if it was so easy for them to do so and such a slam dunk they would do it for a free payout

>>109494426
>Twitch also flouts the DMCA by allowing streamers to infringe on copyright
Streamers like Deme who just streamed the entire Toy Story 2 film with a fake watermark as part of her valentine stream.

>>109490166
>how is shop lifting not sustainable, faggot? are the grocery stores going to run of money?
legit brown iq.
if sponsors don't see decent returns then, yes, the money will run dry. for everyone.

>>109467428
That's not really a good point...
There's no reasonable person who'd expect her to change her actions based on that fact.

>>109465874
This speaks for itself
https://www.youtube.com/@OliviamonroeVodArchive/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@OliviaMonroeVT/shorts
https://www.tiktok.com/@oliviamonroe_vt?lang=en

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>>109498502
>actual 2-3view vods
Holy shit.

>>109498502
>>109498707
you will never succeed zroslash

>>109469523
/#/ darling is by far the worst title because all that thread's favourites die. Look what happened to both Gura and Fauna.

I know oli but who the fuck is deme

>>109499534
Some reactslop/dramatuber whose model looks kinda like Filian.

>>109499534
a fat retarded whore who got back together with her bf who stabbed her.

>>109499567
Basically content leech calling others for leeching. Rich.

>>109499860
she's seething because she gets no sponsers. olivia was kinda spamming sponsored streams recently so I guess that's why she was chosen as the target. that and also olivia is slim while deme is obese.

>>109499761
It's kind of wild how she completely destroyed her bf's reputation with that only to get back together with him kek. I used to like Deme but she comes off as an extremely hostile mean girl if anyone presses her on anything.

>>109500273
dude career is gone, he was a okayish streamer now he just there. At least he get to fuck her i guess...

>>109500273
she literally has BPD and i dont mean that as a joke

>>109500214
I mean Olivia is pretty blatantly being botted. Probably one of the most obvious examples in the vtuber sphere. People have been noticing it here for over a year now.
Deme is one of the worst people to bring this up though. She's just doing it for the attention.

>>109500273
Eh, Sinder did the same thing. For some reason twitch loves that shit

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>>109465874
same retards that impose their "morality" onto people are the same retards that insist you live every day to its fullest while being obese fucking whales irl very strange people

>>109502659
At least Sinder wasn't vague tweeting about how she is free after rattling off about how abusive her bf was

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Is the kvetching about bots even a legit grievance? According to kektone the sponsors themselves bot the streamers. If they are doing it as well, why are we supposed to care exactly?

I think the real reason she is seething is because she thinks it helps them grow more than her and that's unfair rather than any bs about ethics in obtaining sponsorships.

Deme if you're reading this thread please sit on my face with that fat ass of yours. I want to have my skull crushed.

>>109465874
Deme is a botter. I don't car.

>>109498707
>>109498502
Twitch streamer that never shills her other accounts ever has no views on her unshilled alt accounts? Holy moly big news!

>>109467180
I don't care.

Stop being a crab in a bucket you stupid cunt

>>109498201
>the jeet thinks companies expect to make money back from the people they sponsor

>>109507064
>more brown retardation
sub humans like you are the type that take the whole bowl of candy that people leave out
>jeet
TJD and that includes inbred pakis like you

Olivia is one of the streamers who went missing on the days when Twitch purged the bots

>>109465874
>when you live in a low trust society and try to speak out