Simple question: if Hololive had never gone public how many of the graduations they've suffered do you suppose would not have happened?
>>109569923Maybe 2. Internet careers rarely last as long as the holos have.
Probably just the males.
I'd say none, Cover management has been bureaucratic and overbearing for years and has nothing to do with going public, both the perms bullshit and the rule about all projects requiring management approval date all the way back in 2020 one being the result of the copyright apocalypse and the other from the Taiwan yab.
>>109570367The issue comes from how they treat the IP past that. There's been a ramp up in external collaborations and more pushes to sell, sell, sell than there were in the past. Every year it gets more overbearing.
>>109570367It also doesn't help that they likely would've moved towards the "come to japan so we can do events more often" push regardless of going public or not. Actually, going through the list the only person I can imagine staying regardless of going public or not might've been Mel. Holo becoming a much bigger player as a corporation and requiring more strict adherence to rules might've allowed them to sweep Mel's breach under the rug, but there were way too many eyes on them at that point to let something slide. Maybe Aqua too but idk she seems pretty retired.
>>109569923Certainly there would have been a lot less pressure for the big projects. Less concerts, less need to do sponsors and brand collabs. The girl that left were the ones that had the guts to say fuck this shit I'm out. The ones that are left, well we are seeing it right now a lot of EN are streaming less, sometimes when they do its some sponsor or collab. They all tired and stress the fuck out, look at IRyS, Bae.The more ambitious girls would probably feel like they've plateaued having less access to 3D capture or singing careers slowed down.Currently in EN feels like we sacrificed Gura, Ame, Fauna, Mumei so that Calli can be get in Universal Music, Kiara can shit out more 3D MVs, Nerissa can just not stream and keep making covers. While everyone else is forced to do more concerts, get roped into other peoples' 3D stuff, shilling out voice packs, brand collabs and sponsors.
>>109570679Your first point is why I think Kanata might still be around. She genuinely loved the whole vtubing thing, but was pushed to her breaking point and beyond by management that refused to let someone recoup because that's not how you keep investors happy.
>>109570679>join japanese corpo whose entire shtick is being virtual idols>get mad you have to do virtual idol stuff in JapanWhat is this mental illness called
>>109569923I'd say most if not all of them. Cover would run out of money and yagoo would be forced to sell to someone who would then try to squeeze the girls dry of every yen. Whoever survives would be discarded when the company folds or is sold off to something like Brave that buys up shit
>>109569923Lazy people would have continued to be lazy no matter what>Gura we need you to stream 1 time a month PLEASE>fuck you I'm leaving>continues to not stream as indie>Fauna we need you to please put some effort into learning how to sing>fuck you I'm leaving>gets married and continues to not stream as indie
Creatives are 99.317542% of the time mental shitposters in all situations.You're putting restrictions on creative people. Yes it fits in the square hole but it is not a square.>X talent>creativeIt takes a long ass time to make something and that doesn't mesh well withNOW NOW NOWSTREAM STREAM STREAMCreatives can make number go up but it's like free ranching bunnies.Hawks may get a few, they may escape, they may eat all your grass but if you just eat them all and solely your creatives you will starve to death.
>>109570799nta but the key word here is "virtual". You can do most of this shit save for interactive dance routines from the comfort of your own home. Requiring chuubas to be in the exact studio to record a fucking hologra was peak pettiness.
Who knows? don't care. Hypothetical scenarios are gay as fuck.
>>109571210>Requiring chuubas to be in the exact studio to record a fucking hologra was peak pettiness.When did that happen
None of them would’ve graduated, because all of them cited direction of company for why they left. Hololive/Cover went from being a small tight knit group into what it is today. Having almost 1k employees with a massive studio and constant corpo oversight, no wonder Suisei/Mori are such bootlickers because theyve gotten the best deals out of it. Meanwhile most everyone else isint as lucky
>>109571660see>>109570367
>>109569923none? instead cover would have closed and they would have been fired. cover had to go public or they wouldn't have been able to pay the investors, so this question is retarded.
retard
>>109572058THIS
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>>109572058>cover would have closed and they would have been firedWe truly live in the worst timeline.
>>109570772>but was pushed to her breaking point and beyond by management that refused to let someone recoupIdk why people try to push this rrat when Kanata herself literally told us they wanted to lighten her load and she refused
If we talk realistically, Brave or some other group would have bought the company because Yagoo had to pay the initial investors
>>109576209And all they had to do was turn off Holo Earth and *poof* goldmine.
>>109576660retard.
>>109570679Gura and Mumei would still be goneDon't know about Ame or Fauna though
>>109577276I'm curious about A Chan.
>>109569923They didn't need to go public to have a cancerous Japanese corporate work culture along with horrible fucking management that does nothing. Mel straight up had a manager that harassed her and stalked her and Cover brushed it off and tried to hide it, it's probably why so many girls get female managers instead most of the time now. This was years ago, probably before any of you even knew about vtubers or hololive. It was swept under the rug and years later Mel got fired anyway. You cannot change japanese corporate autism, it's literally part of their culture as a nation. The ones that left were gonna leave no matter what, including Coco. Had she survived the chinese attack, managerniggers would have still pissed her off enough to force her to leave later down the line. Cover is NOT a sunshine and rainbows company just because you're personally invested in some of the girls. They are absolutely fucking retarded but succeeded despite themselves and their jap culture faggotry. And just imagine this hilarious detail: they are still the best out of them all. Imagine how fucking bad it actually is for everyone else.
>>109577509>Cover is NOT a sunshine and rainbows company just because you're personally invested in some of the girls. They are absolutely fucking retarded but succeeded despite themselves and their jap culture faggotry.But you cannot deny that the must please shareholders at all costs bullshit piled upon that is not in any way helping. I think that was the breaking point for some.
Do you retards not understand that Cover was literally started with seed from venture capital and thus they had to go public and going public was always planned?
>>109577897Sure is a shame they didn't realize the plan was terrible.
>>109570367>Cover management has been bureaucratic and overbearing for years and has nothing to do with going publicBlaming investors and shareholders is a scapegoat for the obvious fact that Yagoo (and most of management) doesn't care that much about the Hololive side of the business. Yagoo might not be actively malicious but he let contract disputes fester for years until a talent graduates and than responds with the same indifferent response. After 7 graduations in one year (with most of them complaining about disagreements with management) it does feel like damage control to avoid blaming Yagoo. Not every graduation could have been avoided but most of them subtly hinted that they wanted to stay. Sana, Fauna, Ame, Mumei, and Gura would likely still be in Hololive if management had done more to settle disputes early on instead of dragging them out for years.
>>109578626No amount of better management is going to fix moom's inability to speak for necessary amounts of time.
>>109578626>Sana, Fauna, Ame, Mumei, and Gura would likely still be in Hololive if management had done more to settle disputes early on instead of dragging them out for years.Ah yes famous disputes like "oh shit, turns being a corpo vtuber is a full-time job and not just a side gig", "can I just stay at home with my fiancé and literally phone-in my Fes performance?" and "can I just stream once every 3 months"
>>109579111>and "can I just stream once every 3 months"For Gura they'd have said yes. Her very existence was money in the bank. She clearly wanted to be completely free of the whole JP corpo thing.
>>109569923In English, Sana and Mumei seem to have actual health/lifestyle problems that would've happened anyways.Gura seems like she just wants out period. At best she's still there actively trying to get out.Ame and Fauna stand a strong chance of still being there.In JP, Mel and Rushia would be still be terminated.Coco wanted out regardless.Kanata is a long shot that she'd still be there at a reduced capacity.Ao-kun has a decent chance she'd still be there.Chloe, Shion, and Aqua stand good chances of still being there.A-chan and Nodoka would almost certainly still be there. (to be fair, in this alternate timeline Nodoka might not even be a thing)
>>109579966>Ame and Fauna stand a strong chance of still being there.Doubt it unless they made Fes non-mandatory since their reason for leaving was they not wanting to travel to japan for prep and recording>Ao-kun has a decent chance she'd still be there.The same Ao that kept was infamous for leaving and or getting fired from idol groups for skipping practice and not showing to concerts?>Chloe, Shion, and Aqua stand good chances of still being there.Shion and Aqua had stopped streaming regularly like a year before Cover went public
>>109570007>malesThen Fauna as well.
>>109578626You've literally never been right outfitschizo, blow your brains out no one will miss you
>>109575964Because they really watched her stream unlike you.
>>109575964>Kanata need help> but rejected her personal manager who willingly signed NDAs same Kanata.> sent useless managers instead and called it "help">Kanata had to did everything herself to made it right and pass her standard.> to the point she peed in fresh blood from overworking.I'll post it again, the fact that Kanata's fans haven't lashed out at Yagoo is already a merciful act.
>>109578829We're perfectly happy with her silent sketching. Management should've allowed it.
They would have gone bankrupt.
>>109570772Then why isn't she coming back as indie?
I can only really see Chloe and Kanata maybe staying, as they were the only ones that really felt like they got pushed too much past their comfort zone. Aqua has shown to be even more of a sellout with like half of her streams being sponsored shit, Shion was already flakey long before and didn't really like all that attention, Gura is an even more extreme one who barely gave a shit and hardly worked along with others, Ame wasn't all that fond of restrictions anyway and was more into messing around with 3D stuff, Fauna doesn't want to go to japan and we already saw she'd rather pocket money for her 3D live compared to every other EN that did it once at least, and Mumei still feels conscious enough of her voice that even now she hasn't used her mic.
>>109579174Yeah never understood the management wanted Gura out for being lazy rrat. Her remaining in holo even without streams was a net positive for both herself and cover due to the shear strength of Gura's ip. She would and still could've moved merch like no other.
>>109587188"connection"her vtuber carrier is dead.
>>109586714>>109586925>Hey Kanata, we're concerned over your wellbeing so we're gonna pull you out of some projects in the upcoming months so you can get some rest>"Pull out? FUCK that I don't wanna sit on my hands for a long time and look lazy! #Grinddon'tstop">O-okay, I guess I'll let you take on that extra-work then....>"AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!! I'M BEING OVERWORKED, MANE-SAN TASKETE!!!"This is unironically what happened to her Every detail about her gradation from that, to seemingly choosing to quit vtubing wholesale to join the wagie work-force despite her disease just makes her seem lowkey retarded
>>109587409Again, why is Kanata not coming back independently then?
>>109569923OUT > Cocobecause of protect her friends from chinks unironically.> MumeiShe graduated for health reasons.>SanaSame with Mumei.> FaunaIf randon rrat is real.>Rushiawell......STAY>ShionShe made it very clear that the time she considered the best was 4 years ago before she graduated.>GuraShion stay Gura may be stay with Shion.> AmeShe still can use SmolAme.>MelThe regulations wouldn't be this strict. Mel might get punished, but she'll probably be allowed to stay.> KanataShe did her absolute best and almost risking her life until she decided to graduate.> AquaIt's very clear that she left due to some changes within the company but unlike others who gave the company time to adjust. She resigned earlier. If it weren't for that, she probably would have stayed.
>>109587891"connection"
>>109587888It's the manager's fault for dumping unnecessary tasks on Kanata and Kanata can't refuse. But if the manager competent, would all the work Kanata doesn't need to do end up with her in the first place?
>>109587942>health reasons Come on, Sana noticed it wasnt for her and Mumeis whale autism won over constant holo work
>>109587891Kanata's the biggest idolfag and wants her story be be wrapped up the way it is before her deafness affected her performances. Kinda like how Aqua's graduation seemed at first until she redebuted and then started doing mostly sponsored streams now, whilst Kanata probably wants her character legacy to remain as when she was a Holo. She's trying to find a normal job but if its not possible she'll likely follow Mumei's path where she'll be a "normal" streamer and not be a vtuber.
>>109587805How are aqua, shion, chloe, Mel etc. all surviving then?You seriously need to flesh this out a bit more to make ot believable.
>>109588231>her deafnessEven Noel doesn't believe this excuse.
>>109588438Adult reasoning and very Japanese thing.I would say it's a taboo one.
>>109588438It's the same reason why some idols who quit being idols can't work in the entertainment industry anymore until they have to JAV for survival.
>>109569923That manager trying to rape Mel and it eventually leading to every holo talent manager needing to be a female is the issue, woman are just not built for this, you need men to run a well-oiled machine but the amount of background checking and character witness they would need to go through to make sure the Mel situation doesn't happen again, is unfortunately not realistic, so we are stuck with the japanese corporate autism where everything must go through 50 checks on top of the mismanagement so you get songs/covers/projects that take years for no good reason and talents inevitably leave in frustration, truly a fantastically ran company!
>>109569923You retards always act like not going public but nothing else changing is possible even as you cry about how everything would be different. Most of the EN's who left were mad that Omega got fired and that new gens were brought in, they were irredeemable shit and for them to stay, the company would have had to remain as bad as it was. The JP's who left were more of a mix but the only ones that matter were reminscing to the days before HoloEN existed or any of you were fans. Others like Chloe and Ao were never a part of Old Hololive, and they were clearly just lazy.
>>109590529Shouldn't the biggest vtuber company on the planet have no issues with scouting quality female hires in managerial positions? They aren't required to sing, dance or entertain like the chuubas so it all just comes down to pure competence.
>>109590869Could be a bunch of reasons, not a whole lot of them that know this kind of work, the opsec required, if yagoo is to be believed and the company is bleeding money then obviously can't pay them much, character to a certain extent since if you are too draconian the girls are going to have a fit and the talent is too precious to risk losing so can't really win in any cases against them
>>109582926>You've literally never been right outfitschizoSana leaving Hololive because she was asking for a model redesign would explain so many of her actions and why she was fighting with management. 2022 had a lot of EN talents mysteriously vanishing for months and the new EN project director made some curious statements in early 2023:>Change undoubtedly feels slow sometimes>but I feel that everyone at Cover is still trying their best, both to continue making good decisions and rectifying bad ones.>Leadership does care, even if that care inevitably takes a while to materialize.>>109590667>Most of the EN's who left were mad that Omega got fired and that new gens were brought inKiara HATED Omega and there were really clear signs that whatever he did in 2022 had seriously damaged the EN branch. While Gura being upset with Yagoo means that she did think he was at fault for letting it get that bad it was clear that Omega was not reporting any of the EN complaints to upper management. That is a common issue with Japanese corporations where employee complaints run into a brick wall.
>>109569923Real answer is only Aqua.Because Cover would have died long before they could hire the rest.Almost as if there's a reason they went public to begin with.
