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Thread rules:

We are Cherlie Kirk

Three threads have been wasted talking about one user. It’s time you all realize that he was banned because he couldn’t follow the rules. Pillow isn’t unbanning him because she wants him gone, but because her mods were 100% justified in removing him. Cher isn’t coming back and Pillow isn’t going to save him because she can’t. It’s time to let him go, forget about him, and move on already. If anything, he’s directly responsible for mods suddenly gaining more power because he couldn’t keep his hormones in check over a sweet, innocent girl. He deserved this, and he’s made everything worse for the rest of us.

This thread will be better-
>>109767483
nm

Reminder from last thread that discord mods blatantly ostracized Cher and pushed him to attempting suicide after removing him from multiple piwwo communities.

>>109767924
and what are you gonna do about it bitch?

>>109767580
Im sorry but this post is pretty funny. Please dont overinvest in headcanon piwwos

When I see Piller,
I wanna fill'er!

How am I only just now realizing that lewds are finally allowed in the rules? I can’t wait for rape…

>>109769622
Lewds will stay allowed until either Cher gets unbanned or a legitimate reason for his ban is revealed.

>>109769691
itt discordfags threatening to rape pillow over drama in their little bunker

>>109767580
Who the fuck is cher

>>109770560
Absolutely nobody.

>>109770607
Mods putting some crazy work towards the Cher erasure agenda.

This is exactly why I warned you about the discord and why it should’ve been cut off a long time ago when Pillow started getting more popular. This happens to every indie and small corpo, almost the exact same way. Cliques form and they all turn on one person to make an example out of them using their powers. Oftentimes, if it’s NSFW-related, it turns out the mod was more than just a mod and it’s why the vtuber doesn’t do anything about it because of the irl consequences.

I feel like pillow would be like the student council president in 632521

Narrowly avoided posting something fucked up. Goodnight menheras!

>>109767924
He attempted suicide just because he was banned from a fucking Discord server? Wtf

>>109770921
This is not true at all. I am watching him play wordle right now

Pillow LOVES coffee. Remind you of anyone piwwows?

>>109770946
Yes, it reminds me of Cher because he always refused to apply to Starbucks...

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>>109767924
Can we stop talking about this Cher faggot? Discord is gay and nobody here cares about the drama. Besides, the server isn't even official anymore. We have our general.

I'm fully convinced tourists are here spreading lies about Pillow because they are incels or some shit like that

>>109771124
That's been happening for years now

>>109771124
That sort of behavior started even before she started streaming. People in her comments used to get really upset about her deleting certain ASMR videos.

>>109770806
Pillow choosiing to abandon the discord server in tbos situation is unironically the worst issue to deal with though. Well except for my nigga Cher, he loaned me $4 dollars and a pack of ice cubes once back in the 80s under Raegan. Never forget.

>nobody here cares about the drama
I do. I had no issue with him and there’s been no clear explanation for why he was ousted. That could happen to any one of us going forward, no matter how loyal we are and how much we’ve contributed and we have no idea how to avoid it and won’t be given a second chance. Just gone. Why should I invest my time in Pillow knowing some random fucking mod on another platform from where I’m active can stop me from participating and Pillow will continue her activities like everything is fine? That’s not the Pillow I thought I knew. I’m going to start pulling myself away soon if this just blows over and the mod defence force flood this place. It’s not fucking worth it.

I see the incels in the fanbase have finally gotten their Horst Wessel moment

I know more but uh it's not like piwwos asking for .ld accountability in the face of pillow stepping even further away from the steering wheel is a bad thing. I guess you could say it can get tiring but eh. Pretty sure it'd be some other shit if it wasn't this. Not like this sort of change can happen without ending up echoing down here somehow. If I were you I'd keep on that bit about standardized rules...

No one is forcing you to stay

>>109771232
>Pillow cared about that shithole server and its mods and still associated herself with it despite never being on it
>Pillow supports Piwwos getting banned for stupid shit even though she says how much she loves her Piwwos like every fucking day
>Pillow isn't shy and non-confrontational, so the reason for her leaving the Discord isn't because she doesn't wanna make anyone upset by taking a side
I guess I was right about the tourist thing

>>109771232
>and Pillow will continue her activities like everything is fine? That’s not the Pillow I thought I knew.
This. I thought she loved her gachikois. Her ignoring them being banned for no reason despite how terrible they must feel is not consistent with that.

This drama shit will stop being brought up in a day or two and /pillow/ will go back to normal. The /vt/ catalogue was nothing but political stuff for a few days after the Jelly situation and now nobody is talking about it. Just stay off /here/ until tomorrow or Thursday then come back.

I’m just gonna draw Pillow and pat her head and tell her she’s special to me while everyone dramaposts. I will back up any Piwwo who needs it cuz I consider every Piwwo a friend, but there’s no concrete information RN, so it’s all speculation and shitposting.

Being a longtime member doesn’t mean he’s above the rules. All he had to do was stay in line and do what he was told.

I just want the mods to explain exactly what Cher did, the actions they took and wether Pillow was involved, then if it was unjustified Pillow should unhide him on her channel. It should at least be standard to announce a ban and the reasoning for transparency. Not knowing these things is making me feel uneasy.

>>109771750
See, this is one of those responses that just feels like gayops, or at minimum tourist talk. He didn’t do anything fundamentally wrong. He made NSFW comms in the past, took care to do so in a way that was okay with everyone, and was well loved by everyone in the community except for the mods. He then proceeded to make a meme that he kept untagged, which while it’s kinda inappropriate was also part of a trend that’s all over twitter right now. If he was asked to take it down, he’d have done so, he’s done that sort of thing many times before.

>>109771874
This sort of thing is normal and traditional for vtubers because of the whole idol culture thing where they’re constantly trying to not break kayfabe and immersion. There’s also the issue that with a lot of vtubers, they can afford to bump off fans without issue because they have a lot. Pillow is kinda small and still relies on a fairly small pool of gachis.

What if i told you that the truth about what actually happened is woman behavior

>>109771876
>he’s done that sort of thing many times before.
And there’s the issue. He has a track record so extensive of being warned by the mods, but they never really took action against him. Pillow knows of his long history of continuous infractions, and she can’t defend his behavior anymore. His ban is justified entirely, because he did this to himself.

>>109771876
I'm starting to think that meme was seen by the mods as the final straw, they took action, and Pillow (who surely knows by now) sees it as justified, at least as the mods described it to her, and doesn't want to make an exception for one piwwo. But again, I can only speculate because there's no transparency.

>>109771903
The first part is especially true of Pillow. She really cares about immersion and doesn't like drama, and she's good at deflecting topics she doesn't want to talk about. I think it'll be very difficult to get her to say anything about this.

It would be really funny in a fucked up way if the pillowcord finally instituted literally *any* form of ban appeal system for the first time in pillows entire 5 year long career after she quits being the owner
To this day I dont understand how that never happened
Its not like nobody has ever been aware of this being a problem
I dont even think any of the mods would be opposed to it they know it would be literally unused 99% of the time they didnt not add it because they disagreed with it they didnt add it because nobody came around to spritz them with a water bottle for an hour until they did it

>>109771976
Oh hey you're kind of close with this one actually though its less about no special treatment as much as her getting to basically have to wrangle "i love piwwos even if they goon though I dont like the gooning itself"(obviously im paraphrasing) and "I love piwwos even if they have a mental breakdown over knowing some piwwos goon and crash out repeatedly over the course of months over this". Paraphrased heav8ly because the part important to pillow in either case is that she loves both of them. But if you just sort of think aboutnit for a minute it should be obvious that pillows strategy would be to avoid thinking about the friction involved and fundamentally perceive the failure to prevent such friction in the first place as her own failure.
wait I should've made this vaguepost. Aguer probably
Oh whatever

>>109772121
Yeah, it wouldn’t be special treatment to apply rules to everyone, the big issue is that her fans are kinda divided between people who see Pillow as a perfect seiso idol who doesn’t know what a dick is, and people who understand that she clearly is aware of NSFW stuff, has always been perfectly capable and available to discourage it, and has consistently chosen to never do so. It’s not like it’s uncommon or looked down upon for Vtubers to say “Please don’t make porn of me, and if you do, I don’t wanna ever see it because it makes uncomfortable.” There’s like 7 girls in Holo I can think of who have said that.

Why don't one of you donate with a message for god sake. "Why was cher banned?" problem solved.

>>109772440
How do you think that would pan out?

>>109771566
>random piwwows can be thrown in the gas chamber by discord mods protecting their children they’re trying to groom and it’s fine because people will stop talking about it in a few days
What happened to this community man jfc

I’m genuinely starting to think there might be a boyfriend involved. That’s the only kind of person who would be so heavy handed in such a situation and it could explain why Pillow isn’t talking about it. I want to trust her but she’s making it difficult. Either that or this mod feels like he has a shot with her. I’ve been in the community for almost 2 years and the mods have been pretty good overall. They’ve gone after the right people that were clearly just trying to cause trouble and their actions were completely understandable. That’s why this situation feels like it’s more than that. More than a typical mod. It feels slimy and they’re trying to gaslight the fans and hoping we forget that any of us can be kicked out and never discussed again in a few days and Pillow just continues being chirpy and bubbly as always.

>>109772573
I cant tell if this is bait because it could also technically be like 4d bait for mods
Believe me pjwwo it ain't that kek, Cher himself would tell you that
Unfortunately, the pillowcord has simply always been this autistically dysfunctional about its penal policies. In fact, it's actually been even worse than it is now in the mist shrouded initial years. Its just now that the obvious eventual ramifications of thst occur. If you're wondering why they dont just say it this time, its probably because its ended up so mixed in with a billion other things that explaining the full scope of it is just too daunting of a task to them

>>109772573
I’ll never buy into BF rrats because I don’t think Pillow is retarded. She’s already poor, if she lost all her gachis she’d be completely destitute. Nearly all of her friends are either GFE or minimum unicorn friendly, and wouldn’t be keen on interacting with her anymore. She’s never really had a real job, so if she fucks up the whole Vtuber thing, her life is ruined.

>>109772663
>She’s never really had a real job
I thought she had, just shitty ones.

>>109772691
Yeah, but those were like teenager jobs like working at a grocery store for like $9 an hour. You can’t really live off of that. To any actual employer they’d see “Oh so you worker at a Walmart for a year and then… a three year employment gap as a ‘veetuber’?”

>>109772573
I’m pretty sure it’s merely just that she’s been feeling sad and frustrated regarding the Discord for a long time, and after the whole controversy she just decided to break off the whole thing officially away from her. If I remember correctly, I think Chappy is the only moderator who currently is both a YouTube mod and a Discord mod, so she probably feels like it’s enough separation that the Discord isn’t too relevant anymore.

>>109772744
I personally support Cher coming back, but I think he’s taking a break from everything in general anyway, so he’s probably just gonna show back up eventually and Pillow will treat him perfectly fine as though nothing happened.>>109772744

>>109772663
I’m not saying it IS a bf, I’m saying for the first time (for me) it’s a non-zero possibility. Before this I fully trusted her. I do think it’s more likely that it’s a mod thinking he has a chance. Women can also make the most retarded decisions when they have everything going for the them. The entire history of vtubing is proof of that. Just look at Nimi and her lore drop when she was at her peak. Pillow might just be extremely good at lying and putting up a facade. I don’t want to think that of her but that doesn’t mean it can’t be true just because it hurts my feelings. Naplings could fathom Nimi was engaged until the second she admitted it out the blue.

>>109771750
seisofags won
gooners BTFO

anyone doubting their oshi is not part of the piwwo community and can leave freely

>>109772781
>I’m not saying it IS a bf, I’m saying for the first time (for me) it’s a non-zero possibility. Before this I fully trusted her.
I've never thought for a second that she's in a secret relationship and this recent event hasn't changed that. I don't even know how you made that connection. You think there might be a boyfriend who hates Cher and is pressuring her to cut him off? You're being insane, and qualifying it with "it's a non-zero possibility" doesn't make it better.

>>109772811
I think it’s mostly likely the mods being retarded and thinking that they’re getting closer to Pillow by taking over the server and white-knighting for her.

>>109772824
>Surely if I generate the biggest controversy of Pillow’s career and make her cry from stress, she’ll finally love me and date me!

>>109772838
it's hilarious to see anons trying to blow it out of proportion just to make pillow sad
pathetic, just move on

I know Pillow is a fujo but has she always done the piwwo x piwwo shipping thing? If it's a more recent development that may be her attempt to encourage piwwos to be less dependent on her so she doesn't feel as bad about misleading them. I also noticed today that someone in chat mentioned having a boyfriend and she didn't do her normal yandere/crying bit but instead praised them for being loyal to their boyfriend, which I found odd. Does she only does do the bit when people mention having girlfriends?

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>nobody genuinely cares about Cher anymore, just the optics of the ban on Pillow >multiple claiming this is all troll ops to make Pillow cry
>multiple posts are justifying the ban or asking us to move on
>claiming Pillow doesn't know about the ban but she would totally support it and it would be fine if she did
>calling people "incels" and "dramafags" for bringing it up
I don't know if I've seen such a fast switch up on drama when literally no new proof has come out. Absolutely feels like some group (discordmods or otherwise) decided to start shitting up the thread late at night while piwwos are asleep.

>>109772958
Maybe since she is herself a girl, it seemed to her like a genuine "i love my bf" post rather than the common "i will bring up a gf to make Pillow jealous" post. As such, she played it genuinely.

>>109772958
she's moving away from that type of content because it attracts schizos

>>109773163
Oh no, piwwo. I was assured by this whole thread that Pillow is NOT moving away from GFE/yander stuff, and I was a troll for thinking that. Nevermind that she nuked her ASMR conveniently after a single takedown (yet still has dozens of those streams up and public). Nevermind that she has admitted verbally to doing less of it and moving to more all-ages content. Obviously, you must be a bad faith actor making this all up.

>>109772975
It’s crazy. The piwwo regulars weren’t like this so there’s definitely a new wave of posters. I think it’s just the mod defence force. The funniest thing is they post like Pillow is reading it yet they’re very quick to try and convince the regulars /here/ there’s no way she visits 4chan lmao. I know the piwwows here are schizo but it’s a nice group of honest guys with no agenda. Sad to see these faggots shit up a comfy general and ruin it because of their incompetence and incessant damage control. There’s nothing they hate more than our anonymity and lack of control.

>>109772958
>that may be her attempt to encourage piwwos to be less dependent on her so she doesn't feel as bad about misleading them
I think so. She's a good person who cares about piwwos and wants us to be happy, and she knows that she can't give us everything we want, so she wants us to find it somewhere else. The jealousy bit might reflect real feelings, but I think as the other piwwo suggests that she mainly does it as a response to people who are obviously trying to get a reaction out of her, and her sincere response is to be supportive.

>>109773226
I was never against age regression arc desu

She could be applying for Hololive

>>109772975
There are most certainly bad actors. It’s interesting how the entire thread was broadly aligned on this for the first several hours and progressively had more people coming in and trying to run defense for the mods

>>109772905
The casual cruelty of the people saying this shit astounds me. She’s never had a controversy before in her entire career that’s pushed her to take any action nearly as severe as stepping down from the Discord. And acting like she wouldn’t be upset about that is just to entirely and intentionally misunderstand who Pillow is as a person.

>>109773291
Trying to join hololive would be a horrible move based on how she likes her community to be. But I don't doubt she wants to join a corpo one day as Pillowdear. Singing lessons and concert appearances always felt like an odd move to me otherwise.

>>109773226
As much as people here go on about the superiority of anonymity, they love guessing who's behind every post they don't like so they can attack the person they're imagining instead of the content of the post, defeating one of the main benefits of it:
>all information is treated equally; only an accurate argument will work
I decided to take some of the guesswork out of it for them, at least until this dies down.

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please calm down
https://files.catbox.moe/buz2ot.mp3

>please don’t show any discomfort over my stupid actions as a mod for that will stress Pillow out and make me look bad, just stop talking about it and hope it all blows over ok and I’ll get rid of you too if I figure out who you are :)

>>109773245
Exactly. And then they suggest anyone talking about Cher or the bans or the rogue mods (who banned him also on youtube so it's still a problem) are the ones shitting up the thread. If that's the case, why is it only after 48 hours almost that suddenly all these pro mod opinions are so vocal? If you guys were really thread regulars, why weren't you here earlier?
>>109773304
Yep. Also such a convenient time when most American piwwos are asleep to start suddenly mass posting in defense of mods.

>>109773341
Notta, I appreciate you and think of you as a friend, but you’re also completely wrong. She was crying over me telling her how much I love her the other day, I don’t think she’s trying to encourage me or any other Piwwo to be less parasocial.

>>109773351
I've vocally opposed the decision under my name and nothing's happened to me.

>>109773378
To be fair, it would be extremely obvious if you got suddenly banned. Also, it's not unreasonable to think you are just some guy who took Notta's name at random kek

>>109773378
I’m not going to trust anything you say more just because you’re namefagging. You could be in on it. I don’t even know why you’re showing your name in the first place. You’re turning this into a fucking discord and probably not being entire honest yourself now there’s accountability. You could be turning your name on and off depending on what you want to say as far as I’m concerned so it means nothing.

pillow has sent me a message
it confirms she doesn't want people like me around anymore
i'm sorry

>>109773369
>I don’t think she’s trying to encourage me or any other Piwwo to be less parasocial
I wasn't saying that, just that she'd rather the piwwos who want to date her found someone else than were lonely and miserable for the rest of their lives.

>>109773384
The tripcode is on my Twitter profile which is linked to my Discord account.

>>109773396
Then there's no point replying to you, but I'll just say that I've already explained why I'm identifying myself.

>>109773421
Nigga I don't know what your twitter is

>>109773349
holy flashback

>>109773407
Thanks for clearing that up bud. I was getting a little confused. Happy to know you're doing well after the suicide attempt.

>>109773421
Well I’ll start posting with your name then because you’re only doing it for attention.

>>109773463
If the tripcode isn't on one of your known SNS profiles it means nothing.

>>109773407
Cher isn't even awake right now, but nice try.

Does no one plan to ask Pillow directly?

>>109773532
>ask Pillow directly
don't harass pillow, she's already in fragile state

>>109773532
She would ignore you. Someone in chat asked if she'd received their emails and she didn't answer, probably assuming it was about this.

>>109773545
Well you’re her boyfriend. Why don’t you make her one of your cute coffees and wake her up.

>>109773532
I did ask her while she took a break from sucking off me and Undead Wolf. She said it was because he was a loser who kept trying to talk to fempiwwos on the discord. It's less the jealousy and more that he had no rizz, so it was embarassing to have him in the community

>>109773349
Don't like "mommy" stuff but this is comfy, thanks for sharing piwwo

>>109773545
I've seen this "fragile state" being mentioned a few times now. Is this the new rrat by mods? Fuck that nigga Cher because Pillow is totally crying behind the scenes over the drama only this thread is talking about?

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I don't live in these threads so maybe I'm missing something but I do recall this banned person acting like a faggot on twitter trying to hurt Pillow months ago and piwwos here were justified in saying he should fuck off for good. Very strange looking at this thread and everyone is acting like he was a good boy who never done nuffin wrong.

Yep this isn't subtle at all

>>109773650
Are you thinking of CJ? He left of his own volition. Cher is the piwwo who was banned.

>>109773650
That was another piwwo. This guy did nothing wrong and even if that’s not true, no one (including Pillow) is telling us what he did, so any of us who accidentally make the same mistake could be wiped from the community and Pillow is seemingly fine with that.

>>109773704
Yep, and it's weird I saw some people saying Pillow leaving the discord was an indicator that she definitely had nothing to do with the ban, was sorry for Cher's situation, and was going to unban him on youtube. Stepping away doesn't indicate any innocence or guilt, but I'm supposed to just not care anymore about the whole thing because "the discord is unnoficial."

I know this may come across as anti type post, but pillow of the past was much more clear and open in her communication and I dearly miss that
also the whole shipping piwwows together just comes across as strange, considering what majority of gachikoi see her as
I'm frustrated

There’s one thing I’ve only just realized might’ve happened and it would explain why mods and Pillow don’t want to bring it up for they don’t want to expose the state of that discord and what kind of people…and ages…are in it. It’s not a good look if Pillow outright admits who’s active in that discord for it potentially puts them at risk. I don’t think Cher did anything bad but if stuff was posted in front of THEM, then you could see why it’s not something they want to explicitly go into detail about lol. It’s a fucking groomcord.

>>109773746
>Pillow leaving the discord
that 99% percent was for her mental health
she's slow, autistic and sensitive lady

>>109773780
I don't think the shipping piwwos thing is any kind of indicator of her trying to make her fans abandon romancing her. It would imply that Pillow's solution to gachikoi is "become gay and suck piwwo dick" and I don't think she is that retarded.

>>109773786
pillow allowing literal children to join her community was always something I deeply disagreed with

maybe we will get indirect acknowledgment in the poetry stream that is something more substantial than "all be friends"

>>109773816
I think the piwwo x piwwo thing is mostly a cute joke to her, but also that she wants yearners to find love with someone else instead of being sad that they can't date her.

>>109773786
Lmao maybe she saw the Nuxtaku stuff and got worried. I kinda joke, but it did blow up slightly so it is not impossible.
>>109773824
No no no, anon. If you think Pillow ever made any bad or wrong decisions, you are clearly a troll.
>>109773832
Problem with indirect responses is that you never know if they actually happened or if it is schizobabble. She will probably say something like "I love all piwwos" and people will extrapolate 100 different stances on the drama. People really love superimposing their own ideas onto Pillow.

>>109773824
Vtubing should always be targeted at adults. Her early outfits were also way more revealing and sexualized so allowing them in the discord was a weird decision. She’s too nice for her own good sometimes. I think she needs an additional manager to help with stuff like this for she’s not capable of handling it herself and her current manager isn’t tasked with dealing with this stuff but seems good at what he does so I have no problem with him.

>>109773780
I don't see your post as being an anti.
It's valid and I feel frustrated too so don't feel like your the only one. Plus with all the bullshit happening ITT currently it's either trolling or damage control.

>>109773804
I know. She absolutely would not leave the discord because someone got banned and the 4chan wing of her community were the only ones to care. Anyone implying the stepping down was her acknowledging the drama in any way is dumb. At this point, I think she flat out doesn't know or doesn't care.

That illustration she posted when she woke up indicates she’s very aware for the only schizo meltdown was /here/. She knows the situation and read everything.

>>109773916
Or she was just sad because she knew today was the announcement of her stepping down, and it was weighing on her mind. Or maybe she was just sad in general, like plenty of other times she has posted sad drawings. Or maybe she has other things to be sad about and not everything is a signal to confirm your delusions.

she always claims she observes and follows her piwwows everywhere
but that doesn't mean that /here/ concerns take priority over other ones

>>109773916
Or she's well aware the discord is a dumpster fire and needed to distance herself from it before it severely impacts her mental health because the mods on there are faggots with napoleon syndrome

>>109773888
She needs a good manager, and by manager I mean boyfriend, and by boyfriend I mean me.

Now I'm wondering what happens if I post NSFW Pil on my Twitter. If I don't have discord and I close Twitter DMs, how could they send me a "warning"? Surely they don't ban on first offense?

if cher comes back - no longer posts sensitive illustrations or adult memes would the "crisis" be considered solved?

>>109773956
Now this would be a good litmus test and also a good exposure plan if documented properly.

>>109773954
I typed this btw

>>109773916
“It’s surely a coincidence that she posted a sad drawing right around the time when she checks Twitter, emails, and presumably here as well, with the replies turned off. Surely it’s pure coincidence that this happened at exactly when her community is freaking out”

Also I find it funny how there are dudes saying “Only 4chan cares” as though it’s not a pretty decent amount of her gachis on here, and of those gachis most have their own private conversations with the other gachis they’re friends with.

>>109773956
don't play with fire lil piwwo
it's not worth it

>>109773966
I think some people would try to keep the drama going and say their trust in Pillow is permanently damaged or whatever, but I'd be satisfied.

>>109773980
So true, king. Let the best man win.

>>109773956
Just also keep your name separate from what it is on youtube chats, and you are untouchable. Fuck it, put her name on the post so it reaches more people. As long as there is no way to trace it back, you're good.

>>109773945
It also doesn’t escape my notice that a bunch of mods on there left as well. There’s only 5 now, and 2 of them are newer. Several left.

>>109773966
No because
1. This bullshit still happened and was never addressed
2. He still likely would be ostracized by the piwwos who got him banned
3. A man without his hornyposts is no man at all

>>109773994
same, I don't care if seisofags won or any other nonsense as long as pillow is happy

>>109773985
If that's true, her gachis are losers who don't stand up for others publicly.

I think a primary reason for her leaving the Discord was pretty much motivated by a desire to just get away from the entire situation because it’s so overwhelming to her, but it’s pretty clear from the threads since then that all it’s done is shake a lot of Piwwos trust in her. The wisest thing for her to do would be having a mature conversation with the Piwwos and treating us like adults, laying out exactly where she stands. I think the Piwwo earlier was correct when they said she used to be much more transparent and clear about these things. Her issue right now is trying to keep every single person in her community happy, which necessarily can’t work because of conflicting beliefs, mentalities, and views on her.

>>109774000
>put her name on the post
pillow would hate it

>>109774011
See the now the evidence keeps stacking up and it becomes more and more clear the discord is the main issue here and I don't blame Pillow for leaving it officially.

>>109774041
Then she can get her mods to ban him.

>>109774040
>mature conversation with the Piwwos and treating us like adults
I'm sorry, but this isn't 2023 anymore

>>109773966
>would the "crisis" be considered solved?
Mostly, though that leaves the lingering issue of a completely unannounced rule around untagged 'lewd' (not even just nsfw, but even something as mild as the cup size meme) being arbitrarily enforced.

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>>109774026
So obviously fake that it shouldn't warrant a response, but for piwwos' sake.
Also, she's never spelled "piwwo" like that.

>>109774046
Ok, but Cher still got banned on youtube. Unless the shitty mods also got removed on youtube, then it means nothing. Why is this fact of the banning never mentioned? It's not just a discord thing.

>>109773966
No? He pays for his art and he can do what he likes. Just don't tag or share it on the discord and there shouldn't be a problem. Every vtuber gets lewded. Pillow has the same stance as Suisei and she's one of the most sexualized vtubers on the planet and is aware of it, all she asks is keep it away from her and she's cool with it. Art is the one thing Pillow asks for. She loves it. One thing I guess he could do is commission a mix of wholesome and lewd stuff, so she can use more of his work for thumbnails and official stuff.

>>109774065
>One thing I guess he could do is commission a mix of wholesome and lewd stuff
He does (did).

>>109774056
I just find it funny that seisotuber like peo managed to turn that meme posted by by one of her fans into light-hearted joke while we're having schizo meltdowns about pillow/pillow mod response to it

>>109774046
I think this has been brewing for quite a while, and she kept putting it off in the hopes that it’d just magically get better because she’s so non-confrontational. The whole Cher thing seems like some internal drama between the mods has led to some fracturing, and now it’s caused a whole controversy. I am personally surprised none of the mods has just come forth and laid anything out. I said it previously, but if the situation was as simple as “Cher decided to step away from the community for a while and closed his accounts of his own free will”, a mod woulda just said so.

>>109774077
Pillow is a different person and that's okay.

>>109774065
>Every vtuber gets lewded
pillow is probably much more against it but is afraid to say so clearly because it could alienate more people

>>109774065
She doesn’t even have the same stance as Suisei. Suisei has actively commented on the fact that she doesn’t want people sexualizing her or making art like that, but she doesn’t punish it. Pillow has never once said anything explicit about sexualizing her, and has treated Cher kindly the whole time.

>>109774106
>>109774101

>>109774077
It's because the longer this whole situation goes unaddressed, the more likely it is that Pillow herself approves of Cher being banned. As a result, the schizos here, even the ones who agree with the ban, are melting down because they now that all of us could also now justifiably be banned/blocked off youtube and her other socials.

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>>109774101
>>109774106
who do I trust?

>>109774072
He actually went above and beyond consistently by commissioning both a SFW for his main and a NSFW for his alt and people still get upset with him. Like holy shit, let a dude live.

>>109774077
>>109774088
I don't think this issue has its origin with Pillow herself at all, but some seisofag(s) in the community.

>>109774117
My statement is factual and based off evidence you can see with your eyeballs. Theirs is based off… vibes?

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>>109774117
pillow of course!

>>109774061
Maybe she's going to but is waiting for the discord to "settle" after the initial banning. I imagine she's working on restructuring her youtube mods and reviewing their timeout and ban history to make an executive decision.
>>109774086
The mods wouldn't lay anything out because that would prove they're in the wrong and of course they have a god complex so admitting any wrong doing would go against the grain.

>>109774129
we don't know which side pillow is personally on because she always left it incredibly vague
everything else is a projection

>>109774129
Pillow has always been supportive of Hornywwos in a detached way. She can’t endorse it, but she’s never treated them any differently. Also I think it’s really stupid to act like she’s a puritan just because she doesn’t talk about tits on stream. As I said previously, she used to be a furry artist guys…

>>109774129
Do you think she was happy to let Cher keep doing his thing, but doesn't want to upset other piwwos by bringing him back into the fold? Judging by how she's always treated him, I think there's something in that.

>>109774144
>supportive of Hornywwos
she always been supportive of literally everyone
you aren't special
pillow is incapable of rejection, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have preferences
you can see her preferences based on her content and presentation

>>109774144
Do you want me to believe that the girl who’s been drawing since she was 6, is into BL shipping, and has always been terminally online, has not drawn yaoi?

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>>109774144
>used to be

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>>109774156
piwwo civil war is real

>>109774133
Kinda crazy that when she posted this update this drawing, she wasn't thinking about piwwos like (You). She was drawing people like fucking potato and ronintenshi kek

>>109774156
I think Cher is taking a break from everything RN to deal with his own shit, and she’s fully aware of that and is content to just let the situation hopefully settle, then he’ll come back and she’ll treat it like nothing ever happened.

>>109774164
would tame this wild horse desu

>>109774174
Go back to grooming, Potato. You are not slick.

>>109774176
But he's apparently been hidden on her channel. That needs to be reversed for things to go back to normal.

>>109774176
>come back and she’ll treat it like nothing ever happened
that's probably exactly how it will go for better or worse

>>109774198
I mean, if I were her, I’d have someone reach out to him personally and just deal with it person-to-person because that’s better than doing a bunch of drama.

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>>109774185
Pillowhorse rapes hornywwos. It cannot be tamed.

>>109774223
I'll tame her with my big heart

I'll be sad if she doesn't read my poem, but to be fair she'll probably go through them in the order they were received.

Tried to make an updated ref sheet for how I draw Pillow since it is very inconsistent in my drawings. I think I got it accurate to her design. Any feebdack?
https://files.catbox.moe/emyq67.png

>>109774748
Kek. We’re blessed to have you drawwo

>>109774748
holy mother of god...

>>109774671
I know she will read mine, because she loves me.

>>109774935
she loves me more, but nice try

>>109774944
When me and her are together, at least one of us needs to be confident, even if my confidence is pure delusion.

>>109774748
Do you take your draw style from Eiken Club?

>>109774806
>>109774918
Oh shit, I posted the wrong version. My bad, homies: https://files.catbox.moe/5y36i2.png
>>109775042
I know of Eiken but never watched it. Being for real, my biggest inspirations for wanting to draw have been The Justed One (Wake_Up_Deadman), inkuusan, and Sae_Art.

>>109774671
I gave up my poetry skills are mediocre and not worth reading at all even offline.

>>109775256
Ah fair enough I just end up thinking of Eiken because of the enormously obscene tits lol

>>109772573
I want to believe she isn't the type to get a boyfriend but I've already been tricked so many times it's hard to feel sure...

>>109775256
pillow if she would eat more

>>109775402
>doubting pillow
go away

Is Pillow a unicorn-safe chuuba?

>>109775516
Yes idiot

>>109775509
I've had blind faith before, piwwo... it didn't work out

>>109775516
No, we are married.

Tourist saw how fast /pillow/ was moving and now they’re trying to convince people pillow has a boyfriend

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>>109775668
Then fuck off and watch some whore then

>>109775678
Yep I was hoping the seafags going to sleep would've meant longer peace in the thread but clearly another raid group is here to shit up the place again.

>>109775687
Who are you? I want it to work out, I just didn't feel sure any more, with everything that's happened

>>109775793
>Who are you?
I'm Carlton Banks

>>109775263
I'm sorry piwwo. You should give it a try, even if you think it's not worth reading. It'll make Pillow happy and she'll most likely let you know she appreciates it.

>>109775668
if I didn't have blind faith she wouldn't be my kamioshi
relationships are built on trust

>>109775810
Hey brother, Steven Shipman here.

>>109775256
How does it make you feel knowing that at least a few piwwos jerk off to your art?

>>109775977
Surely that's his intention.

https://files.catbox.moe/6l766a.png

>>109775977
I would be very surprised if anybody has. I don't think my art is all that appealing to most. But I would take it as a compliment.

It was very nice when I talked about Florida and Pillow was huh “Nuh uh you’re not in Florida”. It’s nice that she remembers things about me.

>>109776117
I just hope you will not be erased too... be safe!

Why did he put the donut where the penis goes...

https://x.com/andyandaniVTino/status/2026682959755976837

>>109776159
I hope one day she will remember me too, maybe even like my tweet or something, but it's my fault I'm not very active

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>>109776275
KEK

>>109776275
In the original pic, the Piwwo was holding a ball

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I have to admit that 3D piwwows are really cute and makes me forget that majority of them are either creepy uncs or children

>>109776159
Pillow will never know me, which sucks but I prefer having a low profile now after some of the shit people do nowadays over nothing.

>>109776275
Don't eat the filling...
>>109776252
Funny thing is before all this, I was actually planning to make a Twitter account to post SFW art and interact with piwwos. Now? Nah, I'm better off here.

>>109776159
Cat paws wrote this post

>>109776363
>>109776365
You're missing out. The situation isn't as dire as you put it. I don't know what you've done, but Ovis made a porn game that he frequently brings up and he's had no trouble over it as far as I know.

Ojiwwos will get erased. Hornywwos will get erased. Batwwo will get erased. Troonwwos will erase themselves. Only Olive shall remain.

Pillow will rape shotawwos

>>109776416
the difference is that Ovis porn game doesn't features pillow
while drawpiwwo here literally draws pillow

>>109776450
>Ojiwwos will get erased
but she loves them?