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YouTube should be fixed now

We are Cherlie Kirk

>>109787999
It’s interesting because it was solely suppressing English, my suspicion is that the new CEO was fucking around with language supression on the backend, someone set a 1/3 English to non-English ratio, and the streaming servers were freaking the fuck out doing a whole ton of extra calculations for every single chat on every single stream simultaneously, which is why there was a lot of lag.

>>109788080
No we’re not. Enough about him already.

>>109788080
I’m hoping he’s just sorting his stuff out, I wish his DMs were open so I could go check on him. I didn’t interact with him much before this, but as far as I’m concerned, every Piwwo is a friend.

>>109788110
Shut the fuck up faggot. Keep bitching and complaining all you want, nobody agrees with you and nobody cares what you think.

The eternal struggle to keep your wife and oshi vulnerable towards her fans and thus still in love with her fans while proactively trying to nip futures where she perceives romantic separations from fans in the bud so that the emotional pressure of that stuff on codependent person like her doesnt cause eventual emotional distancing
It's infinitely better than the alternative of not having it at all at least

Honestly, one of the mods needs to leak dms over why they banned Cher on here. I guarantee you they talked about it. Maybe that nigga was a pedophile and they banned him because of that. Maybe he was beefing with people in DMs. The worst that can come out of it is we think the reasoning is bad (we already do).

>>109788337
This is my reasoning for why it’s probably the mods acting shitty. If it was something totally reasonable, they’d have just made a statement or something about it. The fact it’s total silence except for “random people” coming on the thread trying to discourage conversation about it, suggests that Pillow isn’t happy with them right about now. Considering how miserable she’s been the last few days, I highly doubt that it’s entirely unrelated to the situation, that’s too much of a coincidence.

When I see Piller,
I wanna fill'er!

The reasoning is actually really bad but it was less a reasoning error and people being unable to direct the conversation they had about it from going overboard
I'm sad that pillow blames herself
She didn't do anything wrong, she's not wrong to care about everybody either...
In the end the closest she got without realizing it is how scared she was about "piwwos fighting" in the train stream
She cared about cher and she cared about people who ended up freaking out at him over something she herself doesnt necessarily like but doesnt dislike enough to ever hate piwwos because of it
But thet doesnt necessarily mean that piwwos will share in her kindness
She could've said "I dont care that cher did this enough to feel anything negative towards him" when it was just about her and thats genuinely how she felt and still does, but even if its about some piwwos whonare already gone and never coming back, even if they freaked out and blew up over what is basically Cher just kind of existing, its not who she is to see "this piwwo is gone because of cher, who has never broken rules and is a good longtime piwwo, but he gooned so much the other piwwo seethe themselves into piwwo suicide" put forward in a conversation by a mod and not give it the gravity of a piwwo she loves even if the idea behind it feels off. She's caring and its who she is to not have enough distance to understand that you don't have to choose between caring about both people in order to resolve the situation, though admittedly, i don't necessarily blame the mods too much for not correcting for that. Or i guess i didnt expect many too given the personal stakes and opinions involved. There were plenty of outcomes that could've happened that resolved in ways that respected both of those feelings just as much without having an outcome as painful as the one arrived at.
I just hope she doesnt forget that her intuition and desire to want to genuinely interact with us beyond just streams and her commitment to this being a real genuine relationship between her and us that were behind much of her activity on Discord were all things she can't let herself lose out of fear. I believe in her though. I know she cares and I know that she cares about caring. In apite of how scared she is of scaring people away, I know that when it'll come down to it, she'll pick piwwos and her messy codependent attachment to us over nebulous fears being and looking "unprofessional", without ever having it cross any line. And thats why no matter what happens, her heart will always find the way back to us.

>>109788936
holy ESL schizoramble

>>109788936
That makes sense, and personally I think leaving the Discord (which I believe she’s now entirely left the Discord, though she probably has an alt account on there for when she wants to check it out) will ultimately help a lot with this issue. A lot of the people tweaking out over Cher were not consistent stream viewers or people interacting on Twitter, most of them were outraged discord users who got upset because they randomly found out about Cher’s commissions. I think actually that her stream today is similar in nature to what leaving the Discord will achieve, she’s going to focus more on the Piwwos who are committed and focused on her, and less on Piwwos who are more focused on the community in general. Her stream today being unlisted meant that it had consistent but small viewership for the whole duration, with chat being pretty much entirely her die-hards. I’m sure she’ll strongly profess that she loves every Piwwo equally, but at the end of the day I think she’d rather be with her smaller group if she’s already having a rough time. I think it’s actually the complete opposite of the Piwwos who think she’s trying to be less parasocial, she’s actually going to get more intense as she surrounds herself more consistently with gachis.

>>109789126
Unironically, the ESL is why I buy it more than most other posts on this topic. ESLs are bad at lying.

So is she going to do asmr tomorrow as well or is it just the poem reading for members?

>>109789542
Given it's only for members and at around midday. I think she'll do both. Kinda unrelated but I'm not a member, so I guess I won't be able to listen to my own poem maybe kek.

>>109789660
I figured that to just thought I'd ask.
And how are you not a member? People spam gifts pretty often I was getting gifted memberships pretty consistently before I just actually membered up.

>>109789718
I don't catch every stream, so I often watch VODs. Just not a good time for me usually.

>>109789749
Ah gotcha that's unfortunate piwwo. I hope one day you can get a gifted membership or something.

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Saw some Piwwos on Twitter wishing for Cher to be gone forever and it made me think of this image. I don’t think they’re realized yet

For how little I'm on twitter I wonder if Pillow seeing me liking her tweets here and there makes her wonder why I'm not active much

>>109790105
Haven't seen that. Screenshot?
>>109790241
Probably not considering how many likes she gets. Maybe she remembers your name, but she probably hasn't considered it as long as you haven't had like months of inactivity.

>>109790400
I’ve always known that Cher’s activities are very controversial and divisive in the community. There are those who don’t care, those who want to see, and those who hate him for it. I don’t want any fights to break out or for certain users to be called out, so I don’t want to share a screenshot

>>109790400
Neat. I'm probably still a bit unknown to her then.

>>109790537
I mean, they are saying it publicly. It's not like they should expect any privacy in such a scenario.

>>109790537
I think it's better to share it. Otherwise, you will have piwwos assuming they're saying the worst on twitter. That would cause more fights than the actual truth of what they chose to put out there.

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>>109790400
>>109790625
>>109790915
This is one of Pillow’s stream mods btw
https://x.com/tarnished_kiki/status/2026732342899863986

>>109791040
Pillow probably doesn’t even know about this account. Anyways it says someone should DM

>>109791219
Great way to end up next on the mod’s hit list

>>109791040
This makes it sound like Cher was harassing people and forcing nsfw shit down their throats. Does he perhaps know something we don't?
>>109791219
Just tried to but dms are closed (or I'm doing something wrong)

>>109791388
My honest guess would just be that they’re unhappy about Cher’s breast size meme since it got pretty popular. Wouldn’t hurt to ask though, I guess

>>109791040
this nigga is in mexico while it's in the middle of a country wide civil war and he's worrying about someone's gooning habits holy shit.

>>109791462
Yeah, I genuinely have no beef with this kiki fella. If I could message him, I would just want to see where his reasoning comes from and hopefully get him to see Cher in a more positive light.

>>109791388
I don't know why you would assume that. All he said is that he doesn't want "degens" in the community, could very well just be talking about Cher's untagged twitter posts. Just the idea of someone having lewd thoughts about Pillow is enough to trigger people like this.

>>109791522
Its more
>no one should have to live these degens in the community
Makes it sound like Cher is unavoidable when it's totally voluntary to see those posts. You can always just block him too.

It's very weird also to say Cher is a bad fit for the community when Pillow herself was interacting with him right up until the bust size post. I doubt she didn't know about the nsfw commission alts. Unless we are implying that the bust size post is worse than paying for nsfw?

>>109791573
That doesn't change anything about what I said. He was a part of the community and they knew he was commissioning lewds and then obviously the cup size meme. These aren't the kinds of people who can just ignore things they don't like, it bothers them that someone like that was in the community even if they could easily have blocked him.

>>109791690
Oh wait I misunderstood you. I thought you meant why I assume tiki was implying Cher is a harasser, not why I assume he might know more about the situation. My bad. I do agree with what you say.

>>109791680
I think it's fine to commission lewd art of your oshi but you definitely should be doing it anonymously. What a fucking moron.

>>109792579
I do know about how Cher went about this and I can say that he absolutely always made sure to do this stuff in a way that couldn't be found out about unless you went looking for for it
In fact Pillow only found out about it at all because people who knew about it went and directly complained to her about it

I feel like your position of being able to view and enjoy your oshi shouldn’t be dependent on the vibes or whims of their community and whether or not they like you. Pillow has made her own rules, and is a grown ass adult who sets those rules up. If she found out what Cher was doing and decided to put out a “Don’t commission me giving you a nursing handjob” rule, that’s be perfectly valid. Getting banned because people are bitchy about you being horny on an alt account, is not valid.

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>vent diary
point for creativity but what a massive vaguepost
this "community" shit is so ass

>>109792712
I myself only found out about his NSFW comms from /here/, every other time I saw Cher was either SFW comms (big value btw always appreciate pillow commissions) or just general presence in the community like on Twitter and her chat.

>>109792812
Just seems to me like Pillow needs to get a grip on her community because you can’t have people posting “Nobody needs to suffer a degenerate in this sweet community!” As though everyone is obligated to present themselves as happy little sunshines on every account and every platform of they get banned.

With how mutliple notable piwwos are clearly talking about Cher negatively and that we know Pillow stalks her viewers, it's honestly becoming more and more likely she let the ban happen. Which is insane because she was replying to him literally the day before the bust size post. I guess enough people complained about it for her to boot him, even if she personally may not have wanted to.

I've been feeling that Pillow has been slowly losing control of her community. The groomcord has a disaster and every member needs to be eradicated

>>109792883
It's insane to me because I have been online long enough to know this shit inevitably spirals. Are we eventually gonna ban piwwos who post any kind of porn, not just of Pillow? Are we gonna ban people for being controversial? At this point, I hope some political retard like Asmongold shouts her out because the meltdown for that would be 100x worse than with Cher.

I think it’s interesting how shitty people are about actually living up to what Pillow wants. How stupid do you have to believe that the girl who says “Love and accept every Piwwo, let them all be who they are!” Wants you to be saying “I think we can all agree we don’t want these kind of people here”.

Pillow being a sweet girl with an insanely SFW presentation attracted people who are also insanely SFW. It’s no wonder that there’s also lots of people here who have actively hate NSFW content, but it also feels like it’s ridiculous at this point. I’ve seen vague posts on this guy a couple of times on Twitter and I’ve seen him get called out on Discord as well. The mods will protect the people who call him out, but never him. The mods have seen how divisive he’s been to the community, and that’s why they’re taking action against him, regardless of how long he’s been here and how much Pillow clearly appreciates him. Pillow is fine with the NSFW, but her community isn’t. There isn’t really anything she can do about that

>>109792932
That would be complete community death lmao

>>109792712
Today? Yes. But he did slip up once. A long time ago I think he got in trouble for putting one of his lewd commissions on the tag.

>>109792932
I was thinking that. Like yeah right now it’s Cher and his porn, but his porn isn’t even anything crazy. What’s next, are we gonna have people bitching about someone over their politics? Over them having a problematic oshi or something? Like at what level of purity demand is Pillow going to intercede.

>>109791040
>Degen
So this mod is a complete idiot. That's why Cher got banned. This drama is a nothingburger. It needs to be dropped.

>>109792965
This may be a bad time to say that we’ve actually had a community member banned from Discord and YouTube a long time ago because they made some political reposts that got reported by someone who felt personally attacked by them. I don’t know if I’ll be able to find them again, though

>>109792953
Doesn’t matter, Pillow is the boss. If you’re smart then you stick to your guns regardless of how community feels. She’s the one who’s dictating what the rules are, she could have made new rules. Instead she’s bending to the feelings of sensitive community members who will have different feelings later anyway.

>>109792969
The problem is that he is still a mod. A complete idiot like this shouldn't be a mod for her youtube.

>>109792962
Cheroulac? I don’t think so. I do recall “Pillow’s Gooner” doing that once, though. He got rightfully called out and chewed out by people /here/

>>109792993
Yeah, shit like that is just insanely toxic and leads to encouraging highly sensitive people who are good at putting on a facade of maximum innocence at the top of her community. Not everyone is perfectly pristine and clean and inoffensive.

>>109793003
Pillow is like if spongebob is the boss. Give her a break.

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Like read this reply by logi, a piwwo iconic enough his pfp was made by Pillow. You'd think Cher raped someone.

>>109793005
Yeah she needs to be reevaluating her mods and who she lets have power in her community. The only thoughts the mods should be having is “I just do what Pillow tells me to”. The janny job is to just shut the fuck up and mute people who schizo out in chat, that’s it, full stop. Anything else is them overstepping HER OWN RULES. Again I reference her little moderator applications again, she directly mentions not wanting her mods to act like that.

>>109793059
He’s just trying to get people to side against Cher and get them to speak out more openly to have him permanently banned

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I've been watching Pillow since she had a few thousand subscribers. This kind of thing is pretty much inevitable and how this actually plays out is largely dependent on Pillow herself and if she wants to address it. Her content has always been safe for work, and that's pretty much been a staple of her personality. It wouldn't really surprise me if she started to set some stricter boundaries. If I was her, I would.
She has always been vulnerable to pressure. A few hundred people in the discord complaining is going to be looked at a lot more than what people in a general say, even if Pillow was actually /here/.
The issue is that she's just too sweet, she always has been. You don't really see streamers of her size that still had their DMs open for as long as she did. How else to say it? She's just too fucking nice, for her own good. The community getting this large is going to force a lot of these issues to come to light.

>>109793063
Pillow has lost total control of her own mods is the worst part. Rather than reining them in, she’s resigned and given them full power. Can’t wait for Nepo hires to come in make it everything 10x worse with nobody to stop them.

>>109793038
Yeah I mean it’s perfectly fine if she were to realize that she’s not cut out to run a community since she’s too sensitive and caring about everyone, but that’s on her to figure out what to do from there. This is unironically why a lot of vtubers have their boyfriends as top mods, because the boyfriend usually doesn’t give that much of a shit anyway so they just enforce things impartially.

>>109793091
I will play devil's advocate by pointing out that making the discord non-official at least removes their power by making them mods of basically nothing. However, these shitty mods are still on youtube and probably have a direct line of communication to Pillow. That's the scary thing. How many iconic piwwos do you think probably have genuine dms with her and can feed her their narratives of the community?

>>109793091
The only nice thing about it is that since she’s completely left the Discord, it hopefully shouldn’t matter too much when it purity spirals outwards and collapses, but she really needs to drop a bunch of her YouTube chat moderators. She can’t keep the ones who are connected to the Discord because that just means the Discord will act through them anyway.

>>109793059
Cheroulac raped me
I popped into the Discord voice chat on my own and he was there, breathing heavy on the mic and absolutely slapping his shit. I was frozen in fear so much so I could press the giant disconnect button. He stroked his shit for twenty minutes but to me it felt like a thousand years. Finally he finished and left me alone in the call. I'm still shaking thinking about that and am crying as I type this out.
I was raped nemu

>>109793137
There isn’t total overlap, but there’s still a few overlapping mods so it’s ultimately still a problem. I don’t like the idea of Piwwos having to actively be patrolling themselves all the time to avoid upsetting people if they just want to enjoy their oshi.

Serious question: why don't people just keep their """degen""" stuff to themselves? Yeah, Cher shouldn't have gotten banned for something as stupid as this, but if they kept their boob size meme to themselves instead of posting it publically they wouldn't have gotten banned in the first place. I'm not defending the mods, they are idiots, but it was completely unavoidable. Cher would have lost nothing if they didn't post it publically.

>>109793137
>How many iconic piwwos do you think probably have genuine dms with her and can feed her their narratives of the community?
I think I’m be too tired to fully understand what angle you’re supporting here. What I can tell you is that the mods only have communication with Pillow through the mod chat. With Pillow no longer being in charge of the server, she shouldn’t be able to see that mod chat anymore. Not a single Piwwo or a mod has direct access to her DMs anymore, I know they’ve been closed since forever. Direct contact with her is only possible through email now, and I know her manager picks and chooses what emails can reach her

>>109793183
this

>>109793183
Sure, I don't think anyone disagrees it wasn't a foolish idea to post that, but I think the response is unwarranted. A warning would be nice. The main problem a lot of us have is that we don't know where the line is. What makes someone a degen? Who is judging this?

tourists posting on cooldown now with the dumbest shit ever

>>109793183
I’ll reframe it for you, because in my opinion it’s not anything about what he posted. In fact this is actually a great example because the last thing he posted wasn’t even really degen, it was a funny trending boob measuring meme that hundreds and hundreds of vtubers were laughing about. But it’s not limited to degen stuff or porn or any of that, it’s the fundamental aspect that she has mods who are agitating to get community members kicked out because of things they’re doing that have no rules and Pillow has never spoken against, simply because it hurts their feefees. If Pillow came out and said “I don’t want active Piwwos lewding me, I’ll ban you if I see you do that to me”, I’d get it. But this is fundamentally an issue that her mods are treating her community like every Piwwo is expected to be happy clappy, clean and uncontroversial. In reality you can very easily upset people quite a bit without even meaning to.

>>109793191
Just because we can't contact her doesn't mean there isn't a select group of piwwos that can. She still probably talks to her vtuber friends via non-email means. I don't think it is impossible that maybe the top piwwos have her added on an alt twitter or are discord friends with her. If I had to pull from anything, look up the Kevin Durant leaks from twitter recently where he was talking to his fans for a decade on alts.

>>109791040
If Pillow isn’t cracking down on this sort of thing, it just encourages her mods to treat her community as though every Piwwo is supposed to patrol themselves at all times, which Pillow would hate because she wants Piwwos to be happy and do what they want.

>>109793269
>Secret Alt Twitter
>Secretly Discord friends with Piwwos
Now I know you’re just here to shit up the thread. Pillow would never in a million years do something like this. And even if she did, wouldn’t Cher be one of the people most likely to be in contact with her to begin with?

>>109792965
I will now cherrypick every piwwo I see pop up on twitter replying to other vtubers, interacting with porn in any capacity, interacting with politics or controversial posts, expressing an opinion I disagree with (Which also makes them wrong as I am always right), or for even looking at me funny. Count your days, you will be banned.

>>109793269
I don’t think this is a conversation worth having. It’s pure speculation. I know her stance on it, anything more than what she’s said is calling her a liar and I feel like she’s not interested in lying about whether or not she has private DMs with people.

>>109793303
The number of times I’ve seen a Piwwo thirst posting over some other girl is very frequent, but that’s none of my fucking business. Most I’ll do is tease them about it if they’re a friend, because Pillow wants her Piwwos to be happy instead of living in a panopticon worried about offending someone and getting banned from spending time with their oshi.

>>109793333
I think the fact that Cher got banned off YouTube is what makes the whole situation so much more intense. People get knocked off Discord for a while and it’s whatever, but Cher has been a ride or die Pillow gachi pretty much since she ever started, he’s one of the oldest ones, and now he can’t even see her anymore.

>>109793301
He has a history of commissioning lewd art of her. He might have just never been invited while still being respected because of it. Anyways, I'm not implying she's dating piwwos or fucking them, just that she might personally chat with her top members from time to time.
>>109793308
True to an extent. I don't think it's necessarily a lie to say she might talk to more loyal fans more directly. She already gives certain loyal piwwos more attention based on how frequent they are.

I will point out, I’m blocked by like 20 Piwwos for different reasons, I’m pretty sure I’m just on a blocklist somewhere, and I’m glad for that because I’d rather they just blocked me than sat and seethe and try to get me kicked out. Too many people on the internet white knighting acting like the mute button is not available.

>>109793269
>comparing Kevin Durant to an indie vtuber
You are schizo or trolling, I'm not sure which is worse.

Who the fuck is Kevin Durant

>>109793417
It's just a recent example that was in my head because my brother likes basketball. If I said Rushia or Gumpai or some other vtuber, people would have thought I was implying other things I am not.
>>109793428
Basketball player. Read up on it genuinely it's actually entertaining some of the shit that was leaked.

>>109793367
Definitely not the case. Also, you are definitely wrong about how that works for her, I’ve had multiple cases of people bitching on here about her giving me too much attention. The only private conversation I’ve ever had with her are solely in relation to projects. She is a professional, she cares about her Piwwos, she’s not having DMs with Piwwos about anything, she’s 100% aware of how awful that’d look if it ever got leaked and she cares too much about Piwwos to endanger their feelings like that.

>>109793428
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant
You probably don't know him if you don't watch basketball but he is really famous, it's just intellectually dishonest to compare him to a streamer.

>>109793446
Pillow is not Rushia. Pillow is not that crazy and has also seen how badly Rushia’s fans were hurt when all of that stuff came out. She wouldn’t do that.

>>109793447
Just because you weren't invited to the group chat doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Pillow doesnt talk with her fans privately lol. Maybe back in the days of yore when patreon still existed and DMs were literally part of the tier. And even then, not really. She likes talking to us obviously but she's explicitly snippy about private communications.

>>109793462
Never said Pillow is Rushia. This is exactly the reason why I didn't compare her to a vtuber lmao

>>109793467
I can confirm she doesn't invite people to the group chat, I am the group chat. There's nobody here.

>>109793447
I should specify, the only conversation we’ve had was in her emails about actual professional stuff, at no point does she ever go beyond that for anyone.

>>109793478
I’ve talked to mods about the mod chat on Discord, she explicitly spoke on there about how she didn’t want to have conversations with them on there, it was basically just dictating stuff to the absolute minimum degree possible.

>>109793493
>>109793447
Reading it again, it is wild that your reasoning for Pillow not DMing her fans is "she didn't dm ME!"

>>109793510
>trusting what the mods say about the mod-only chat after mods did what they did to Cher
I shiggydiggy

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>>109793367
>>109793467
>Just because you weren't invited to the group chat doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And that means it does? What kind self-cucking mindset is this? You've convinced yourself your oshi is talking to some elusive group of "top tier fans" and that you aren't one of them.
If you've checked her name on twitter in the last few years you can easily find a bunch of old interactions of fans trying to DM her. She's not interested, but she won't ghost you out of respect.
Schizos like you are the reason girls don't last long in this business.

>>109793510
This, I've also spoken to multiple mods about this. I know more or less how far it went in the past and even when she was doing things off stream with us she was *explicit* at literally all times about making sure that it was never private.

>>109793537
>putting words in my mouth
>breaking out the cuck accusations
>claiming that something is impossible because he hasn't seen it happen
>trying to blame me for potentially Pillow quitting one day
Holy fuck calm down.

>>109793528
Cher was literally a mod too and he'd say the same thing

>>109793573
>Cher would say XYZ
You have to stop doing this

>>109793587
Shut the fuck up discord mod Cher didn’t do anything wrong stop trying to get people to forget about him you slimy piece of shit

>>109793606
>discord Mod
To be fair it was just stream mod

>>109793606
This site is anonymous, but I have from the start supported Cher. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a mod.

>>109787510
I remember that happened but I forgot about that guy being an asshole in chat
https://youtu.be/2dGOHrmjzEw?t=5916
https://youtu.be/2dGOHrmjzEw?t=6313
The post-beam from that stream is a top Nene moment
https://youtu.be/2dGOHrmjzEw?t=23541

>>109793572
What else are you doing besides feeding these invisible delusions? Maybe people will take you seriously when you have some proof but otherwise this is just libel against Pillow.

I think what does kind of irritate me is that so many people would place their personal opinions about the aesthetics of people in the community above Pillows own mental wellbeing

>>109793678
The fact she forgave that guy and still acknowledges his existance is proof enough she's one of the nicest, kindest vtubers. The comments that made her sad, was she lurked the Kawaii fan Discord once and saw an older gen of Cloudtomo criticizing her and it really hurt her feelings. But she still doesn't hate her fanbase.

>>109793905
No no no piwwo, you must understand that Pillow actually aligns exactly with my opinions all the time. It doesn't matter that she said something contradictory. She secretly meant everything that I'm saying. Im the only one who actually knows her 100% and what she would or wouldn't like.

>>109793974
I see what you mean, but I'm not even talking about posts here. I have my own problems with that stuff but it's not exactly equivalent to moderators trying to foist their own personal opinions upon her to the detriment of her own mental health over something so tertiary.

>Cher gone
>batpiwwo gone
He was our dark knight

>>109794167
What happened to batpiwwo?

>>109794191
Busy with midterms

>>109794167
Wait WHAT-
>>109794191
Oh. That's fine, thought it was something worse

>>109794228 (me)
shit I missclicked >>109794212

>>109794191
They fucking killed him…

I just feel very down all the time now

>>109794191
He got his back broke by Bane.

>>109794529
Yeah. I feel like ever since ASMR Parade 2, my personal enjoyment has been going downhill. Obviously, small spikes are the exception, but I just feel bummed out, especially this week.

>>109794530
I will draw this, just pulled up to work.