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We are Cherlie Kirk

>>109837987
Piwwo the man is free now we can rest slightly easier

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For context: I'm an acquaintance of Cher's and I'd been checking in on him since this all went down.

My mans resurrected like Jesus.

>>109837945
So incredibly cute. She does a lot of nice chibi-style drawings, but I want to see more full-body self-portraits like this from her.

>>109838148
This makes the mods look even worse. No wonder Pillow was feeling so shit this week.

>>109838148
Well, to be honest, we don't know if those really were the only actions of his on the server that got him banned. That's also the problem. Mods say one thing, but Cher and piwwos say another. I don't believe mods, but I'd like them to give any proof of his "actions on the server."

>>109837945
To have YouTube embeds show properly, you'll need to paste the raw URLs in the post.

>>109838238
We have specific words from Cher versus vague buzzwords from the mods. Draw your own conclusions.

>>109838110
Still, Pillow did know about the discord ban and was active in the discussions of the ban (as confirmed by Notta and the other anon). Any piwwo saying she pushed for a lower sentence or never agreed with it or was pressured is pure speculation. We will probably never know the truth though, so I guess I'll just hope she didn't want it to happen.

>>109838312
That's why I said "I don't believe mods" dumbass.

>>109838316
The only thing that we do know is that Pillow was not aware that mods banned him on YouTube. By the mod’s own words, Pillow wasn’t informed until well after the discord server went unofficial. It seems she may have even been informed earlier today, hence his incredibly abrupt ban and unban

I miss the prince of all saiyans

>>109838402
That is true. A big question still remaining is if the ban was automatic because the accounts were linked (and potentially mods were unaware too) or if it was deliberate. I simply just don't know enough about discord modding to conclude anything about that.

>>109838496
I used to be a moderator for a different VTuber. I was in charge of her Discord and her YouTube as well. Users would have linked accounts, but one would NOT affect the other. You can ban somebody on Discord without banning them on YouTube and vice versa. The mods agreed to ban Cher on Discord, and then sought him out on YouTube to ban him there as well.

>>109838496
From what I could search up, even if your Youtube is linked, getting banned from Discord does not autoban you from Youtube. The YouTube ban was manually done.

>>109838549
>>109838564
If you ask me, I think the mod Ronin Tenshi might be the one behind the YouTube ban. He’s already overstepped by handing out warnings to discord Piwwos over twitter accounts. I think it would be in character for him to overstep and ban somebody on YouTube without discussing it with anybody with the real mods

>>109838148
Are these DMs?

I wonder what taintedkiki would say about this now

>>109838148
ask him to post his last 2 comms somewhere

>>109838148
He died for our sins

>>109838148
>an acquaintance of Cher
Which one?

Pillowmods banning Cher set the end in motion for true piwwos, change my mind

>>109838864
https://imgur.com/a/hcAv70G
https://imgur.com/a/tu0MhEx
https://imgur.com/a/GsmZdzS

When I see Piller,
I wanna fill'er!

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It's friday piwwos!

>>109839028
More for me then.

>>109838974
Guess, there's not many piwwos with discord username of that length. Surely you can find out.

>>109839295
It looks like it's a letter longer than cheroulacs is but I don't know anybody with a name that long

He might not even be a Piwwo, just a friend that Cher regularly talks to

>>109839028
I have little clue what this means. Explain.

Are Pillow mods pure evil?

>>109840130
moderating for a cute girl is an inherently evil job

>>109839878
What clues are you missing to understand that? OG, old sql piwwos are into her for GFE, by banning Cher the mods are openly opposing the very foundation of her existence. Do you love Pillow? Too bad, you parasocial freak!! Don't you understand that your feelings make kids in the pillowcord that have never watched a pillow stream uncomfortable????

>>109840361
cher was unbanned on youtube, dude

>>109840424
BY pillow btw

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>>109840361
I feel uncomfortable pillow

>>109840424
One step in the right direction, just ned a couple more to get back on track

>>109840130
When Discord mods its piwwos, they’re not modding their best. They’re not modding me. They’re not modding (You). They’re modding people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing politics. They’re bringing favoritism. They’re groomers. And some, I assume, are good people.

>>109840947
It’s entirely up to Cher’s friends to say that he was banned. Im not in the server, so I can’t do that, but I do wonder if anybody has said anything. And if they haven’t, then why not?

>>109840987
I don't think it's time to go scorched earth on the mods just yet.
Let's wait and see how this new status quo goes. If they continue to abuse their power even after this whole fiasco, then we can riot.

>>109841125
Problem is how do we monitor this? We only knew about Cher because RoninTenshi messaged a random piwwo so anons thought the mod announcement was about him and this led to people noticing Cher was banned. And we then only noticed the youtube ban because someone happened to see his comments were gone. Unironically, we are fucked if they wanna powertrip again.

>>109840361
Your too into your own delusion. Dial it back a bit. The only thing mods will destroy is the discord.

You're trying to hard.

>>109840361
What are you on? This is about dicord and lewd commissions. What's with all this "parasocial bad" mumbo jumbo your trying to peddle. Next thing your gonna say is "she doesn't love the Piwwos". Shut up.

I guess I can kind of understand where he’s coming from. Even lewds aside, the mods did just try to ban one of the most prominent gachikoi around. They knew full well Pillow wouldn’t stand for having somebody like that removed forever, so they did it without telling her. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this happened now long after several new mods were introduced into the server. Pillow really needs to reign her mods in and gain control over them, else this will happen again

>>109842000(me)
not long after*

>>109840130
They are operating under Pillow's orders

>>109843624
Banning a long time gachikoi that she’s clearly very attached to and then neglecting to tell her is operating under her orders?

>>109843925
Yeah, vtubers always ask their mods to make unpopular decisions for them and take the fall for it later. It's like one of the main purposes of mods.

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>>109837968
The Cher drama has ended, but will lewds remain allowed?

>>109843925
The mods told Pillow they were banning Cher and she was part of the discussion over how to handle the ban. This is according to the mod response given to Notta and another anon. What is unconfirmed is if she didn't know about the youtube ban or if she knew but went out of her way to use the discord becoming unofficial to unban him on youtube (basicslly she planned all along to reverse it).

>>109844327
All is right in the world

I still think it’s shitty that mods deleted years of work in all of his timestamps. Every single last one gone forever.

>>109845007
It is what it is. He had to be dealt with for his crimes against piwwokind.

>>109845087
That's the fucked up thing. He committed no crime, he was innocent!

So Pillow agreed with the mods that Cher should be banned on Discord but she didn't want him banned on youtube?

>>109846443
What really happened in the mod side of things really can only be speculated, we only have the ticket to go off of. It seems that maybe what Cher did was so atrocious that even Pillow couldn’t defend it, and so he remains banned in the Discord. That said, the DMs here >>109838148 paint a completely different story. However, by the mods’ own admission in their ticket with Notta, it seems that they neglected to tell Pillow that Cher was also banned on YouTube. Pillow was not informed of his YouTube ban until long after she stepped down from being the discord owner, which was at the start of the week. Seems she unbanned Cher right away. I wonder if she was angry at her mods for trying to keep him away from her entirely for 4 full months. I don’t doubt that they hoped Cher would just go away on his own if forcefully separated

>>109846443
>>109846514
I will say as someone who knows jack shit about any of this but has been on the other side of this kind of situation in a different vtuber's community, it is very common for people to pull abhorrent shit in private, get banned for it, and then run around to everyone who will listen claiming they did nothing wrong, mods are out to get them, etc etc and just completely lie out their asses to avoid admitting to the actual reason they were banned.

>>109846807
I’ve seen this happen too yeah

>>109846807
Its a bit different here given that pillow clearly unbanned cher on YouTube though

>>109846807
I mean it's not like this is out of the realm of possibility, but it's just that what *we* have seen of him doesn't align with the picture the mods are portraying, and the mods are doing absolutely no work at clarifying what happened exactly; And there's no way to verify either because the messages were deleted due to the ban.

>>109841506
I have a feeling we'll know

>>109846866
I think it's not at all accidental that the mods are being as vague and non-specific as they have been regarding what Cher supposedly did to "deserve" his ban.

>>109847290
Their justification for the whole thing was literally “We can ban you over any vague references to off-Discord activity, in any way.” Which they obviously chose as their method of argument because it’s totally unfalsifiable. If they claim that after someone has their chats deleted, you can’t tell if it was Cher sitting on the gen chat saying “HEAD ON DOWN TO MY TWITTER TO SEE PILLOWS TIT SIZE” 40 times in a row, or if, like he described, it’s him saying he doesn’t even wanna talk about the idea on the Piwwocord.

>>109846807
This is extremely obvious though, Pillow wouldn’t have stepped down from ownership of the server and unbanned Cher if this was some slam dunk case of her seeing that he called the mods faggots 37 times in a row. It’s really obvious that the mods had beef with him, looked for the most tenuous excuse to can him, tried to obscure it from Pillow, and she proceeded to completely abandon the whole Discord as a result of being overwhelmed by the depth of their shittiness.

>>109847595
Couldn't she just shitcan the mods if it was really something like that? Like fuck, they have no actual power here that isn't derived directly from her. The fact they're allowed to continue shows she does condone their actions to some extent, or even at the absolute worst just doesn't give enough of a shit to call them on it.

>>109847625
She definitely could, and in my opinion she should. But it's not in her character to be up to that sort of confrontation, unfortunately.

>>109847650
Well then she has made a choice, like it or not. "He's not worth the stress of confronting my mods over it" is still a choice.

>>109847625
Nah, man, think about it like this. She had already been thinking about stepping down from the Discord because she didn’t like where it was headed. She’s not the kind of girl to say “fuck my mods are being shit, they’re fired”. She’s too kind, thinks too good of everyone, and hates herself reflexively, as far as she’s concerned, everything bad is always her fault alone. She knows that the mods are frankly more motivated and care more about the server than she does at this point, and the concept of going through the process of confronting the mods, firing half of them, and finding replacements, was just too overwhelming and painful for her to consider.

>>109846514
So even if we can't confirm it, how likely is it that Pillow approved of him getting banned on Discord vs just knowing about it and disagreeing with it and choosing to step down as owner of her server?

>>109847911
I thinks she supported him getting banned off the Discord temporarily because she doesn’t see that as much of a big deal and was misled by the mods about what he was saying in the Discord, saw the controversy and blow up over it the next day, looked more into the situation, realized it was a mistake but ultimately she was already leaning towards stepping away anyway, this was just, in her mind, was the last mistake on her part that proves she wasn’t cut out to run her own official server. Thus, she stepped away from the server, let the mods run it on their own so Cher stayed banned, but unbanned him off YouTube because she never wanted him banned there in the first place.

>>109847911
There’s no way Pillow would “approve” of having somebody she cares about being forcibly removed. At the same time, she can’t exactly fight against the “evidence” presented to her. It will never be known how the mods proposed a ban for Cher, if they presented only screenshots, or if they decided to fabricate or worsen details to make Pillow unable to fight for him. Regardless, the damage is done.

>>109847664
Anon the point is that pillow genuinely trusts us, all of us, and she actively invests a lot of emotional vulnerability into her relationship with us. The mods exploited that. Its not "i just dont want to deal with this", its a "I want to deal with this but I dont know what to do". Pillow has never found it in her to ever reject or push any fan away deliberately. The mods utilized the good will she has for us this time and caused her a tremendous amount of stress and emotional pain in doing so. Its 100% on the mods here because the alternative to this would be her hardening her heart and changing how she feels about us and if she did that it would be truly over anyway. She counts on us. And to be fair, pressure from piwwos is what essentially caused the rescission of the ban
Nobody who's watched her for that long should be expecting her to be capable of girlbossing

>>109848020
If she feels that way then why have mods in the first place?

>>109846807
At the end of the day, if your oshi is outwardly seiso, you REALLY shouldn't be sharing porn around them or in their circles, let alone pornography of THEM.
It would be different if Pillow was more sexually open like many chuubas are, but she isn't. Not saying the result is justified, but there's an obvious cause & effect here.

>>109848040
Same reason she cant manage every part of the community on her own, not enough time and attention span to focus on doing that on top of everything else

>>109848083
Just feels a bit disingenuous to say she would never push anyone away deliberately when she had delegated people within her community to do exactly that with seemingly minimal oversight

>>109848020
At the end of the day too, it’s not like it doesn’t hurt on her end. She trusts Piwwos to be good to her, and to be kind and do as she asks. She trusted the mods quite a bit with a lot of different things, and while I don’t think she’d ever say it quite so roughly, they basically spat in her face by doing more than she asked of them. It’s no wonder she’s been so upset and depressed recently, anyone who thinks it’s just some coincidence is stupid.

>>109848053
But he didnt share them around her, he was extremely careful about that
People had to go out of their way to find his stuff

I do want to say that I am very proud of Piwwos here who saw what was a perceived injustice and decided to take action rather than to revel in it. I feel like it would’ve been the perfect opportunity to take advantage that a top gachikoi was finally removed, it’s less “competition” after all. Rather than doing that though, lots of Piwwos were extremely supportive of them. Never thought I’d see so many /here/ band together towards a common goal.

>>109848101
Her policy on banning people has always been extremely reserved. The mods were never there to ban her gachis if they step out of line, there’s only like 40 gachis, she could do that herself. The mods were there to do 99% other shit, with extremely rare cases of banning over serious stuff.

>>109848101
I dont think she believes in no moderation as an abstract, she certainly doesnt want certain things to be posted in her chats and so on, its just that she cant handle the time sink and also on some level probably relies on the mods to be the voice of reason in the cases where she'd be too scared and upset to act(there are cases where people *had* to be removed in the past for actual reasons and she still felt terrible about it)

>>109848184
Piwwos have always been one of the more morally upstanding fan bases, mostly because we’re all trying to live up to Pillow’s example. You know what’s funny as shit? I’ve literally sent my friends DMs of Cher’s commissions saying like “Look at this crazy dude who keeps commissioning feet fetish art of my oshi”, like under normal circumstances im clowning on him because its an admittedly kinda ridiculous to do when your oshi is so seiso. Particularly for the fact that they’re all signed with his name on them, it’s pretty silly, but I’ll always argue for his right to do it.

>>109848163
Meant to reply to this one

>>109848053
He didn't share it on her server nor was his post tagged or pinged on her. Not sure what you're going for here.

>>109848304
>one of the more morally upstanding fan bases
I was going to say I wouldn't go that far
Then I though of other fanbases here
Alright Piwwos, I'll give you that one

>>109848500
Piwwos tend to be aggressively wholesome even when we're having drama, there's good reason why I've been saying pretty much the whole time that anyone who isn't writing emails to Pillow or opening mod tickets should be trying to support her and comfort her directly. At the end of the day, one of the worst aspects about the entire drama is the fact that it's made Pillow miserable as fuck all week.

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A chilled parasocial chatting stream with a handcam just so we can see her cute mannerisms and Pillow eating her lunch would heal the piwwows

>>109849028
with "accidental" foot reveal with cute painted toenails

>>109849028
Still waiting chest painting stream with Olive

>>109849028
I will fund whatever Gundam she wants just to get another 6 hour handcam stream

>>109849424
I'd also contribute. Literally any activity that gives us 5+ hours of Pillow and her hands.

>>109848538
Maybe if she'd fucking address it rather than stick her head in the sand and pull this woe is me bullshit it wouldn't even be an issue. Like god damn bitch this is part of the job, get over it. Nobody likes dealing with this kind of stuff but we deal.

Please stop entertaining this guy

>>109848163
There's no competition because Pillow treats us all equally.

>>109850163
Clearly not, since she trusts some of us enough to remove others of us on a whim with no oversight and refuses to even speak up to them or call them on it.

>>109850208
We don't know what she said to them and we know that the YouTube ban was lifted after she was made aware of it.

Notta, 4 months until trip ends?

>>109850163
There's always competition.
Some people don't like it that everyone is seen as equal and want to be a special snowflake.

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>>109850163
She does her best, but honestly I’d feel kind of bad if she legitimately didn’t think any better of her top Piwwo vs someone who just showed up.

>>109850940
Oh I'm sure she does, but among top piwwos she's very careful to not appear to give anyone special treatment.

>>109851188
But I want her to kiss me :(

>>109848053
>let alone pornography of THEM
He got banned for the boob size meme, anon

>>109846807
The issue is that it's been nearly a week and nobody has come forward to share anything like that
More importantly, when tiki was bragging about him getting banned, he didn't even mention harassment at all. He was seething over Cher being a gooner. That's how you know

>>109851221
Same but what can you do

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Imagine NOT being a gooner for your wife

So many drama whores here recently who clearly don't even care about shit, doesn't know about shit, and just want to stir shit just because of some discord shit. Like what is this?

>>109851527
People are bored

>>109851527
Is this the new Discord mod cope?

>>109851671
I don’t blame them. Imagine spending all your time talking to a bunch of annoying minors on Discord hoping that Pillow will make you a mod, only to now have her entirely drop her official approval from the server and stop talking on it.

>>109851671
Discord mod? Sucka I'm just tired of the dumbasses who repeats the same stupid shit that's been answered here already. And the stupid fuckers who keeps pushing their stupid ass agenda. Like "uh oh. Pillow doesn't approve of you masturbating to her therefore she actually hates you". Like shut the fuck up. Nobody cares about you nutting yourself. This is about lewds and discord.

>>109851495
Imagine Pillow trimming her bangs before your date
So cute…

>>109851718
They probably enjoy talking to the minors

>>109851953
>he thinks "Pillow is too socially retarded to rein in the people she delegated to manage her own community" is an acceptable justification for anything

>>109852468
Perfect

>>109852622
Nah, I know how these types of girls work, she is fully aware of what she should do, but the idea of doing it is so scary to her that she can't bring herself to do it. Also, you'd be really surprised by how often girls do puke from stress, I'm pretty sure the puke a few days ago was because she was upset.

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Pillow feet

>>109853485
What would she do if I suddenly stuck on of her beautiful toes in my mouth instead of painting? How red would her face be?

>>109853569
I think she’d scream if you did that. Personally, I just want to bring her pretty little feet up to my mouth and kiss them a couple of times. I want to tell her that I love every last part of her, from her head down to her toes

What do you guys think being pooped out by her feels like

>>109853626
Very cute and sweet. I want her to know how beautiful she is.

>>109853960
Like a boa constrictor

>>109853960
what’s wrong with you man

I wonder how buttschizo would've been received by the discord mods

>>109854831
Killed on sight after the first 2 posts

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The longest hour of my life. I need her now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oSbUBseiM

>>109856035
It'll be nice to hear her talk about her haircut. I'm happy for my socially anxious oshi.

>>109856461
What if she's bald?

>>109856519
Her life wouldn't change at all lol

>pillow accidentally gets low taper fade
what do

>pillow is traditionally messy hair girl
cute

Did the hair stylist think Pillow and Olive were a couple?

>>109857260
couple or sisters

>>109857260
It doesn't sound like that was the implication to me, it just sounded like she thought they were friends who went out and she assumed they weren't autistic shut-ins

I'm glad she feels less nervous about haircuts now. It sounds like her hairdresser was really nice and that helped a lot.

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>>109856753
Slightly cursed but I wouldn't mind

>>109857434
sex, should be flat too

>>109857434
tomboy pill isn't real

>>109857434
Imagine if Pillow got a lower taper fade...
Imagine if Pillow got a lower taper faaaaaaade

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We can go further

>>109857651
too far
dropped

>pillow death grip

Pillow gripping your cock like she's gripping a crayon (she will break it)

Olive is such a NERD

>got inspiration for her school outfit from Blue Archive
ToT

>blue archive school outfit
BROS????

HE'S BACK

My man Cher with the memba message! A hero's return.

we won

It’s over

Middle school Pillow TT

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>elementary school

Confirmed skirt is knee length.

>>109858349
>>109858128

>>109858101
What'd he say?

>>109858349
boooooring

>>109858375
"Pillow Love!" short and sweet

Loli Pillow confirmed...

pillow is fully embracing age regression arc

LOLI PILLOW CONFIRMED UOOHHHHHH

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couldn't have it any other way

How can I sexualize my wife if she keeps age regressing

I forgot how many milestone rewards she has left to do.

everyone's gonna call us epstein diddybluds...

So the ASMR collab with Nene and Alias is the official winner of the "comment chooses stream" reward? I thought there was a "no comments from VTubers" rule?

>Alias and Nene collab instead of toenails painting
Cher was robbed again

>>109858540
Well it was either that or toenail painting. And I don't think she wants to do the latter.

>>109858547
I don't know why she doesn't just paint fake toenails like she teased. Does she think chat would still be too much?

>>109858540
She didn't specify that as a rule for that tweet in particular. She did acknowledge the toenail painting reply so it sounded she was gonna do both, but maybe she changed her mind.

>>109858602
>She didn't specify that as a rule for that tweet in particular.
Oh. Where did I get that from then?

She's going full petite tomboy

>>109858612
I think she said that for the tweet that chose her twitter banner for a week.

There's a particular satisfaction in being right about Pillow all the time. Massive BTFO to that one guy who said "She doesn't want to have a loli model because she doesn't like the kinds of people that attract". My oshi is a lolicon chud.

>>109858507
the cushionhun ASMR will hit different

>>109858612
It’s because she’s talked about “i know vtubers will go into comments and they win the votes” or something and said she thought that was unfair

>leaves the Pillow kidcord
>becomes one herself
mods won

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>>109858651
>My oshi is a lolicon chud
ok let's not go that far

>>109858694
This is what her outfit will look like. She said she will be wearing tights too

What if this is Pillow’s attempt to stop lewds without realizing she’s about to get lewded even more

>>109858651
If you think she's changing her model to appeal to pedophiles rather than because she just wants to roleplay being in school and do fun childish stuff you're retarded

She's really committing to the age regression. There's trauma to unpack there but as long as she's happy.

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>>109858732
tf is a pedophile? I said lolicon

You can like loli aesthetics without it being sexual...

I hope you piwwows are ready for Shondo’s ex-fans to flood this community.

>>109858793
I have a friend who's a shondo fan so I can say with confidence that the people who are the biggest problems will get filtered because she isn't edgy enough

It's a little vague. Will she be a middle schooler, or will the outfit be that of a middle schooler but she will more or less look the same underneath? Or is it still unconfirmed?

>>109858772
Speaking completely out of my ass, I'd say it's her trying to reclaim her childhood, which was less than ideal.

>>109858825
Apparently she will look different enough that she won't be able to use her current models since they "won't fit her anymore".

>>109858467
>age regression arc
The stream starting with "if you're happy and you know it, clap your hands" wasn't obvious enough for you? She's been like this since forever. I don't really mind since it seems to be trauma related and not pandering like what loli chuubas tend to do for quick easy views.

She wants to be our daughter and drop the GFE :(

Yearnwwos need to be dadmaxxing. She was neglected as a child and never had a dad, she naturally wants someone who protects her and gives her attention

>>109858825
>>109858872
What did she say about getting a new model?

>>109858825
Well, the school is "like a middle school", and she said all her current outfits won't fit, and she's basing a lot of it off Blue Archive.

>>109858872
Ah then that's a shame. Gotta be honest, I just like her current design, so any big departures from it are kind of a bummer. Not just a loli/mesugaki thing. It would be the same if she decided to age herself up and be a big titty milf or whatever.

>>109858929
>she's basing a lot of it off Blue Archive.
she didn't say that

>>109858892
Daughterwife is a perfectly acceptable option.

>>109858929
There's a lot of variance in Blue archive though. Some small girls but also some very stacked ones.

>>109858949
PapaNovember used to call her daughterwife

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>>109858953
Search within your soul and tell me if you think Pillow is going to be stacked?

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>>109859021
D cups and above would mindbreak the piwwos

>>109858732
>pedophiles
I'm disappointed in you notta
, I thought you were a bro and understood the distinction between 2D and 3D

>>109859021
Retard, what I mean is that it's stupid to say Blue Archive necessarily means she will be a loli. She could be more of a young JK/middle school look.

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>>109858772
pillow already gives massive baby energy, I think it makes sense to play into it

>>109858776
This reminds me, I saw someone in the discord a few months ago say something like “goth loli?….. that’s not good…”
And then someone had to explain what Lolita was

>>109858793
I'm already here

>>109859038
I personally treat loli like furry. Weird as fuck and you probably would fuck a little kid/animal, but as long as you don't do shit I dont mind. It can sometimes even be cute if done right. I just wouldn't trust you with my kid/pet. Both groups even have very similar copes.

>>109859050
I mean, I do expect her to look about that age, but that's also loli. Loli is annoyingly broad because fucking Jufufu and Kanna Kamui are both considered loli.

>>109858892
It can be both in your own mind!

>>109859095
I personally treat loli like furry. It's hot, depending on how good the art is.

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>>109858906
>giving pillow candies after bedtime

>>109858944
she said outfit is influenced by it

Pillow already acts like a child, I don’t think anything is changing there. It’s clear she uses her t-shirt and short hair combo a lot because it gives the younger vibes she enjoys

>>109859147
Kuma pantsu

>>109859097
That's my problem with loli in the modern era. There is not enough separation, so it leads to a lot of disagreement because nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about. My personal cutoff is Rin from Kodomo no Jikan. Anything older-looking and you just want loli clout without commitment.

>>109859095
reminder that pillow was a furry

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>>109859154
I like it most because it's easier to draw. The goth outfit makes me want to die. It looks great, but also takes forever.

>>109859162
uoh

>>109859170
Yes, I already knew. Doesn't change my opinion. Pillow is weird (positive).

>>109859038
I understand the legal distinction. But what gave you that impression of me?

> seiso loli school girl

I feel like this is an unfilled niche. Most loli vtubers are nsfw right? How many are actually pure and safe like pillow? It will be special

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>daddymaxxing piwwows were right

>>109859213
> pillow always calls older piwwos cute
> she always mentions never having a dad
> she acts 5

>>109859021
Pillow will get back at the mods by making herself canonically G cup.

>>109859199
because your comment seemed to out other piwwows down who like loli
pillow wouldn't like it, few of her friends like Immy are lolicons

Maybe I’m just being cynical, but what if Pillow actually wants to start moving away from GFE and instead of doing a Shondo and outright saying it, she instead is changing her character to something that makes GFE less realistic, in the hope that we start seeing her as a daughter instead and lower our expectations? Unless this is what she’s always wanted to be and only now she feels comfortable enough to be herself, that’s the only other explanation I can think of for the character change. It’s not just visual for her voice and mannerisms are already like 10-15 years younger than what they were 2 years ago.

I hope I’m just being schizo but I’ve seen this happen a few times with other vtubers, usually it’s the opposite where they were loli GFE and then they ‘grow up’ and get more mature models and drop the parasocial content so I’m not sure how to feel about Pillow.

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>>109859195
>Pillow is weird
she's our special young lady!

>>109859200
I can think of a few

>https://x.com/i/status/2027832762879906119

pillow chest size just keeps increasing

>>109859247
Yeah, it's pretty weird to shit on loli when Pillow explicitly and intentionally acts like a kid all the time anyway.

>>109859269
Considering pillow likes to act childish while still smothers us in kisses and love for ASMR, I think it’s safe to say she really just wants to be daughter wife

>>109859269
CushionHun content will not change and she mentioned keeping gothic outfit

>>109859295
This is cute, I will draw my own version. No boobs though, Pillow is good as she is.

>>109859269
I don't think it is ridiculous to believe a younger and lonelier Pillow started GFE because she wanted attention but slowly started moving away from it with time.

>>109859304
my theory is that she unintentionally doesn't realize that's her deep down kink

New schizo rrat, Pillow is separating her personalities via her two channels. Pillowdear is cute daughter in middle school, Cushionhun is intimate GFE.

I only think of this because I'm not sure how she will handle ASMR with her new model.

>>109859147
The blue archive mention was completely separate from the outfit discussion. You are hallucinating.

Can she wait a few more years for me to perfect my dadbod first?

>>109859329
Pillow has boobs though. I don't know why you all pretend she doesn't.
>>109859301
Not really? I know a lot of childish women in their 20s and even 30s. Women are just by nature childish.

>>109859295
not big enough
drawpiwwo get on it

> maybe pillow is moving away from gfe?
> qrts a wedding art

>>109859381
She's retweeted foot fetish art before. She just likes nice art, and her retweets don't indicate any belief of hers.

women wanting to be treated like a baby and coddled is literally the most common thing among women imaginable

>some piwwows are already creating anti schizo rrats because of school model and even claiming she hates GFE now
I'm severely disappointed in you (･ัω･ั)

>>109859368
No it wasn't. She said her school outfit had a "bit of inspo" from Blue Archive, you weren't paying attention.

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>>109859378
reminded me of this kek

>>109859177
she also mentioned pillow maid
can't wait, I always move maid designs

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>>109859378
Understood. She will be massive. Some sketches to tide you over until then.

>>109859457
timestamp

>>109859247
I mean what gave you the impression that I'm a "bro", just out of curiosity

>>109859551
https://www.youtube.com/live/r8oSbUBseiM?si=nQia_HJlaI_vfk8c&t=3487

>>109859603
Cmon, no need to not want to be a bro. Every Piwwo should want to be friends with every other Piwow.

>>109859301
Pillow acts like a child in a completely innocent way because it's fun for her. She doesn't do it to appeal to degenerate fetishists like some people here are implying.

>>109859657
I hate to tell you Piwwo, but you'd be shocked by the number of girls that are "degenerate fetishists" too. This includes Pillow, you don't get to spend your whole life on the internet without being a little freaky.

>>109859648
Oh I do. I mean bro the way he used it, i.e. "don't think there's anything wrong with liking sexualised drawings of children".

>>109859657
I'm not saying she's pursuits that specifically
But there's nothing wrong with me enjoying it right?

>>109859657
>degens
what happened to notta, bring them back

>>109859247
I don't like what Immy and others like her do, but I don't hate them. She seems nice.

>>109859729
pillow wouldn't like you spreading hate you know
pillow specifically said she allows everyone to see pillow however they like

>>109859754
I miss the old Notta, straight from the 'Go Notta
Chop up the soul Notta, set on his goals Notta
I hate the new Notta, the bad mood Notta

>>109859734
I'd argue there is man
But there's nothing I can do about it so I don't care

>>109859754
I've never talked about this under my name before, so I don't know how this could be surprising.

>>109859759
And I don't like people who try to police others, but I believe you're a good person

>>109859782
I'm in a good mood I'm eating a big fuck-off fish and chips right now

>>109859430
I admitted I’m possibly being cynical and schizo. You just haven’t been burned before so I don’t blame you for being so trusting. You forget that for some of us /here/ piwwows, she’s not our first oshi. You’re extremely fortunate if Pillow was your first oshi. We’re not all going to be on the same wavelength.

>>109859783
>so I don't care
you seem like you do care a lot for some reason

>>109859807
I'm blessed to have Pillow as my one and only. Used to be my favorite ASMRtist, now she's my favorite oshi, one day she will be my favorite ex-wife.

>>109859807
> piwwows

>>109859807
I used to have oshi before but one day she just disappeared from the face of the earth

>>109859783
Interesting how Pillow can say "I want people to enjoy what they like" so often, and so many Piwwos just choose not to listen.

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you thought you could escape moralfags?

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The 3.0 looks so good.

Pillow said today that the art for the maid event was with her new design, and the design just got revealed

>>109859854
>I want people to enjoy what they like
sadly some feel the need to always make arbitrary exceptions

>>109859879
Funny how much she's been saying she's worried about the haircut when it's basically the same exact haircut from her comfy outfit. You can tell she's a lot smaller from the feet though.

>>109859854
That obviously has an implied limit, unless she's okay with several vile things I don't need to mention.

>>109859892
Morality isn't arbitrary unless you're a nihilistic faggot.

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>>109859879
pillow should play Inupara the all ages version
would be kino

>>109859907
Yeah, the implied limit would be "Unless it hurts other people" which fictional things by necessity cannot do.

Stop fighting and look at the preview of pillows 3.0 you fools

>>109859907
pillow is much much more accommodating than your small mind realizes

>Tripfag derailing the whole thread by telling us his moral stance on irrelevant bullshit and what he had for fucking dinner
Many such cases!

>>109859879
>>109859888
>lolipiwwo tries to take a victory lap earlier this thread claiming her new outfit is a loli
>it looks only slightly younger (16)
Get fucked. I kept telling you faggot, she's not gonna be a fucking 8 year old.

>>109859879
I like the bell so you can always hear her prancing around

>>109859924
>Unless it hurts other people
You must be very shortsighted and selfish to think that's adequate.

>>109859981
Suck my entire penis you massive homo

>>109859986
we were only jesting
take a chill pill

>>109859879
Where did her boobs go?

>>109860008
notta is making me uncomfortable can someone report him? I don't like their aggressive attitude

>>109859986
As I said earlier, most people still consider that loli. I personally dislike the term for that reason.

>>109860013
>begging for mercy now that you lost
Get BTFO, you lost. Go jack off to loli art after shitting up these threads for months with your "jesting"

>>109860018
it's a sports bra don't question it

>>109860039
Go for it, getting forced out of this would probably do me some good honestly

>>109860072
Pillow doesn’t play sports…is she flatter now?!

Drawwio…. Your time is almost up…

>>109860061
you have literally no right to order what piwwo should like and post on anonymous forum
you're an embarrassment and pillow wouldn't approve of your attitude

> picture of dog
STOP FIGHTINGGGGG

piwwo civil war huh

>>109860094
Pillow wouldn't approve of him cunnyposting either. I don't even mind loli. I just hate that guy.

>>109860094
He can't "order" you to do anything because he has no power.
Just because you think Pillow is a soppy liberal who's cool with anything doesn't mean I need to be too.

>>109860085
It’s always good to evaluate whether or hot she’s good for you. Of course, the smartest thing to do is to find some way to make her good for you. She motivates me to do quite a bit, in fact she’s single-handedly the one who inspired me to set my life plans around being self-employed just like her. It’ll take some time though.

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>>109860133
She’s not a liberal, she’s a chud, we’ve established this.

>>109860128
>wouldn't approve of him cunnyposting either
you don't know that
she's friends with lolicons and played blue archive
she doesn't mind

>>109860163
>you don't know that
>I know everything about how Pillow thinks and she would hate you
Modfag? Is that you?

>>109860159
chud pill scares the modfags
that's why they are still seething in their groomcord alone

>>109860186
pillow would hate you being aggressive to other piwwo
yes, that's universal fact, she hates infighting and anyone pushing their own views on others

>>109860092
Please... clothes take me a while

Can we please stop the schizo threads now. It's getting so tiring. I preferred the yearnpost arc we had last year to this.

This is retarded. Forget I said anything.
As long as you keep your thirsting over her 3.0 in the thread I don't care.

>>109860246
A lot of that was me

>>109860246
I don't disagree! :3

>>109860273
>in the thread I don't care
I will TuT post, that's about it

>>109860273
>This is retarded. Forget I said anything.
>Still talking

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we're so back (tabun maybe)

I think I've learned that a lot of you would act exactly like the mods did to Cher.

I love Pillow and I need this thread to talk about her, so I'll tolerate our differences and try to bond with you all over our love for her.
Piwwo love

>step away for 2 hours
>come back and open thread
>all of this shit
Please calm down

>>109860356
Piwwo love

>>109860368
Problem is that drama is what keep this thread alive. After all our main Cher questions were answered, last night was the driest and slowest the thread has been in a week.

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Look, I'm going to be straight with you all. I really want a gentle 3 hour edging handjob from Pillow with her dainty soft fingers and for her to ruin my orgasm at the end of it.

>>109860405
>and for her to ruin my orgasm at the end of it.
She'd 100% cry if she did that

>>109860405
>gentle
If there's one takeaway from today's stream, it's that her grip is anything but gentle.

>>109860405
She’s going to read this

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https://x.com/i/status/2027744308640825407

Guess he went off Cher's estimate lol