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bee nise
bee have
bee happi

>>109937966
It's he our son still?

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>>109938447
he's still my otistic son

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>>109939323
>tranny since parents away

Jokes aside, transgenderism is a tragic spiritual disorder

>>109939323
>Shondo male collab

the collab will happen on another day yippie :3

>>109939775
God willing it doesn't

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I love her!

>>109939323
>kumo shondo male collab
checks out.

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Can someone explain why there was an activist protest in this split few days ago? Lol.
(all usual posters tried to migrate to another website but just came back anyway)

I have a vague clue that's maybe because the "spikes and lasers" clip where she told political chuds in her audience to kick rocks and that she hates seeing them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-MBgqWJfI

All of you people screaming "boyfriend hey psst, she has a boyfriend"
but then you have 0 evidence and you refuse to bring any, what is this?
Do you realize that in order to proof something you need to show evidence of that happening?

>>109940541
you have unmedicated psychosis

>>109940541
>she told political chuds in her audience to kick rocks and that she hates seeing them
But she reads their messages for most of every stream?

>>109939323
Kumo Shondo! ^_^

Once you realize that the mods are all racist chuds the state of the community makes more sense

>shatronage
Lambo money for Shondo!

>>109941977
Once you realise that the mods aren't deranged leftists, you mean?

So, how's things been since Shondo's own little lore drop about dropping the GFE? Did she walk it back? Has she actually stopped GFEing her fanbase and parasocializing them?

>>109941977
We have it on good authority that they are just like kumo.

All men trust fully the illusion of life. But is this so wrong? A construction, a facade, and yet... A world full of warmth and resplendence.
Young shoggers, are you intent on shattering the yoke, spoiling this wonderful falsehood?

>>109942663
Why not? She called it all off right? You're just here because she eeither entertains you or you're suffering from sunk cost fallacy

The real conspiracy theory here is that the groomers got the mods to delete the discussion channel because that is where Shondo most often interacted with the community and where the casual fans interacted with her and by deleting that channel they get to turn the subscriber channel which they monopolized into a de facto secret club and also get Shondo to type there more often.

>>109940748
Also she makes racist comments every time to cater specifically to them lmao

@remnantadvent 4sen

Need art of Kumo destroying the Shunt with her girlcock, while they kiss and hold hands and Shondo's cunny is filled and overflowing with Kumo's girlcum <3

>>109944204
so fucking hot uohhhhh ToT

>>109944204
Your average 20iq leftcuck, tubby

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HALF OF HER VOD IS MUTED
HALF!

fuck twitch!!!

are shumos self isolating somewhere

I still don't see the problem with kumo. I understand 99% of transgirls are screaming on twitter about nothing but she's in the 1% that is being cute and minding her own business.

>>109945982
same with lily too

>>109945982
>she

>>109946198
If she looks like a girl and acts like a girl then she is a girl (to me)

>>109946239
she’s plappable too

idk why chuds feel threatened by kumo. kumo is into guys and she lusts after COCK and DONGS.

>>109942986
That's not even a theory she said herself she "prefers to talk in other channels" be she only ever used those two

>>109946573
>prefers to use other channels
>never uses them
so she just prefers to never speak to her fans? lmao

>>109946630
I guess so? I don't sub so I have no idea what goes on in that channel, I've heard people say everyone talks to each other hoping shadow sees and shadow herself says everyone acts gay in there so I wouldn't be surprised if she avoids them and mainly posts on twitter

>No shumo
>Example product title
>Example product title
>Example product title
>Example product title
Really woman?

>>109946316
not all male vtuber but always a male vtuber

PSA
You still have time to ask for a full refund

>>109946316
This is true I fucked her back in 2021 she folded pretty easily.

>>109946965
proof? she ignored me

>>109947127
if she refuses you can do it with your bank/paypal

>>109948018
No one has the guts to do it and she's not going to give attention to one incel chuddie having a tantrum

Who bookmarked my tweet

>>109937966
why is his name otis? lol what a nerd

>>109948602
what guts? just open a ticket with paypal there is no need to tell everyone

Need the grippy from the schizo ahh b itch

Would Kumo be a screamer? Or a squeaker?

>>109949179
squeaker

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I'm not on shondo discord I will never be a part of shondo discord
Can I still be her fan?

>>109949724
yes and she would probably prefer that

>>109949724
>>109949877
>phasecuck
lol irl

2-3 threads of shondophrenics obsessed with what they consider to be a guy and their cock, is anyone in this community actually straight?

Shondo just needs a mouthful of little girl to start thinking straight again

>>109950507
90% of that is an anti that harasses the community but sure

>>109951170
his name is dewd

>>109951170
not talking about tuffy, I mean those crying anytime talk of a kumo/shondo collab comes up because reeeeee kumo has cock. Dudes are here thinking about Kumo cock for hours, if you were truly disgusted I'd think you'd want to talk about that less idk

>>109951597
Tiffany is literally the only one talking about it
He's obsessed and has admitted in the past to jerking off over kumo. He's a legitimate faggot

>>109951987
proof?

>>109946725
Definitely didn't have Claude write the site for her btw

>>109937966
cute real?

>>109944204
Sucking out Kumo's girlcum from Shondo's cunny!
Like a true Shondophrenic!

>>109955308
yeah
https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/2028871655322272207

she also posted the same image in the email sent out to everyone who purchased the merch.

>>109951597
Yeah, I'm opposed to male collabs

>>109948602
You will never be a woman

>>109950507
>with what they consider to be a guy
You know exactly what a guy is, let's not pretend otherwise. Well I suppose you'll be ostracized by your "friends" if you used common sense

don’t die

>>109960087
anon...

>>109945982
kumo is how trans people should act

>>109960278
>nothing to complain about when you're actually cute and passing
it really is that simple isn't it

>>109960546
Besides the penis
Also a lot of these people who "pass" are taking dozens of pics and only uploading the most flattering ones. That's why when you see them in real life, they don't pass

who cares about that

Why do you want male collabs?

>>109961347
Because I enjoy penises

>>109961282
The japanese and korean ones pass but the funny thing is that they dont even identify as transgirls to begin with. They get off on being mistaken for a girl.

No troon passes unless they modify their body beyond recognition
Male and female are anatomically different by observable magnitudes

>>109961347
I have no wants. Anything Shondo wants, I want.

Cookie party ^_^

>>109961721
You're implying that shondo has no wants.
Which is demonstrably false as she can't live without my cock.

I would like one example product title please

Seeing how many chuubas are fat and ugly girls I think it isnt so bad to go with the cute dickgirls too if they're actually putting in the effort

>>109961427
Yeah, they specifically call themselves men or admit that they're just dressing up

>>109962187
It's a good job that a woman's looks aren't what makes them a good or a bad collab partner

>>109962360
and neither is it their genetalia

>>109962382
Male/female dynamics will always be different from two females
On top of that, some Vtubers don't want to collab with the opposite sex

>>109962451
Sounds like you think you know who she wants to collab with more than she does anon. Pretty weird.

>>109962451
>male/female dynamics
please explain how a gay trans male is similar to a straight male and cite your sources, "common sense" is not a source sense shondo disagrees with you

>>109962465
You don't even know what a woman is

>>109962492
a woman is someone who presents themselves as the typical feminine gender role/stereotype, usually the more mature presentation as there is sometimes distinction between girl and woman, but the definitions are complicated and it's not like you could define them properly anyway in a way that is consistent with how they're used because you're a retard bluffing, hope this helps!

Why dont groomers just woo and awe the chuuba into falling in love with them?

>>109962552
she closed dms :c

>>109962552
they're not interested in just that, hence why they spend hours manipulating and lying to a girl on the internet instead of whatever you seem to think their goal is. there's also a lack of ability, and a reason why we find these kinds of people taking advantage of vulnerable mentally ill girls like shondo as opposed to even other vtubers who are more experienced and able to handle people engaging with them dishonestly like even her close friends

>>109962552
a lot of the groomers will straight up admit they're only around for entertainment purposes, there's different kinds of grooming.

I don't even want to win anymore.

It doesn't matter what a tranny says or does or how he looks and presents himself It all simply does not matter because it has all spawned from a denial of realty that being what men and women are, you can throw whatever bullshit arguments you want but they mean nothing because he is always "trans" not simply a man or women but a trans-women an other something that is not a women I hate how fake and gay everything is and shadow is not gay or bi and neither is any other women with an healthy attraction to women no I'm not explaining kill yourself

>>109962552
She got too big :@

>>109962491
Do you not think living life for 20 years as a man would cause you to act like a man?
Also you can stop hiding behind Shondo. I've no problem saying that she's wrong because I'm not a Yesman or a lickass

>>109962552
They have no rizz (unlike me(banned))

>>109962524
No, you're wrong. A woman is an adult female human

>>109962667
shondo disagrees with you lol

>>109962841
oh so if you're raised as a woman since a child then it'd be okay? or is there a physical difference between the brains, in which case could a trans person not have a more female oriented brain?
>>109962859
no you're wrong

Does shondo like dates (the fruit)?

pounding shondo's ass has been amazing ever since she got that adjustable standing desk, i just bend her little butt over it and use her pussy to drain my garden hose drier than a southern summer

>>109962870
Hiding behind Shondo because you don't have any convictions

>>109962934
>no i won't explain
i have convictions and actual reasons for them lmao shut your faggot ass up loser

>>109962934
shondo has convictions too, which disagree with yours lmaoo, yet you're here on 4chan crying like a pathetic faggot about some girls on the internet who want nothing to do with you

>>109962886
If you're a man and you're raised as a woman, that's child abuse. Vice versa is also applicable
This is a pretty common theme you'll find in historical dramas or fiction, usually a woman being raised as a male heir and the works often focus on the strain it causes them mentally. They're also not even trans

>>109962971
>avoiding the question to appeal to emotion
lmao, even shondo is less of an emotional woman than you faggot

>>109962945
Go ahead and explain them without the homophobic slurs

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i'm cumming insidE

>>109962977
It's not appeal to emotion, it's obviously child abuse. You're forcing your child to reject who they are to satisfy your own ego
Please never have children, you'd be an awful parent

>>109963007
>no i won't explain
you first, you're the one crying about it on 4chan to other men and girls who don't want you around anyway

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>>109963031
you bringing up your emotional appeal with child abuse is avoiding the actual question lmao you sad cuck

>>109963060
Trannies never avoiding the child grooming allegations

>>109963049
>source: the internet website told me
damn, such conviction, i'm sure shondo would surely be swayed upon seeing this! you should link it to her and warn her lmao make sure you do it on your main account so she can know who her savior is

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it's getting bad now, practically every day i wake up my dick is diamonds until shondo fixes it, she doesn't mind and enjoys it but still it's concerning, maybe i should try to start making sure i cum in her at least twice before bed every night?

>>109963145
it's her aura slowly becoming more affective, she is a soul sucker, i think just embrace it

>>109963145
You shouldn't have marital relations since it's great lent
You also should only have relations only on tuesday and thursday outside of fasting periods

>>109963339
she is a demon i can't stop her i stil fear the last time i tried to

>>109963087
That's a dictionary

>>109962977
Is this Dark Woke?

>>109963537
written by ((((who)))

>>109963712
Are you trying to imply that saying that women are adult human girls is a Jewish conspiracy?
Do you actually believe in any or are you just fishing for (You)s

>>109962886
> in which case could a trans person not have a more female oriented brain?
trans women have neurological traits that make them more similar to a cis woman, compared to the degree of similitude between a cis man and a cis woman.

>>109963537
so you have no better source for your claims than a dictionary, which contradicts what people who actually study the subject matter know.

>>109963755
the idea that it is a Jewish conspiracy is a conspiracy concocted by demagogues who support the people who are actually in power.

>>109963792
Those social studies only say what their financial backers want them to say
Wouldn't be the first time experts were incorrect

The guy LARPing as pro-trans is obviously trolling you fucks

>>109963843
You’re stacking misunderstandings on top of each other.

This isn’t just “social studies.” The discussion about sex and gender involves developmental biology, endocrinology, neuroscience, psychology, psychiatry, genetics, clinical medicine, etc. Major medical organizations don’t base their positions donor pressure, they base them on decades of accumulated evidence, peer review, replication, and clinical outcomes. Reducing all of that to “sociologists funded by someone” is a way to avoid engaging with the substance by repeating nonsensical anti-science conspiracy theories.

Dictionaries don’t define our best understanding of reality, they describe common usage. They update when usage changes. They aren’t arbiters of scientific disputes. If tomorrow biologists refine a definition, dictionaries follow; they don’t lead. So citing a dictionary as if it settles a complex biological and social question just shows confusion about what dictionaries are for.

The “experts have been wrong before” line actually misunderstands how science works. Science being wrong sometimes isn’t a flaw, it’s the mechanism that makes it so strong. Claims are tested, criticized, revised, sometimes overturned. That process is precisely why scientific consensus carries weight: it represents positions that have survived sustained scrutiny. You can’t just replace the entire body of scientific work with unfounded doctrines and gut feelings and call it a day, that’s an argument from ignorance fallacy, where you treat gaps in explanation as proof that your preferred belief must be true.

If you want to argue definitions, we can. If you want to critique specific studies, we can. But “dictionary + conspiracy” isn’t a serious engagement with the actual body of research.

>>109964064
If you sucked a tranny's dick, would you try to claim that you're still straight?

chatGTP ass trans debates on /shon/ was not on my bingo card for 2026

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>>109963875
No, he's an actual tranny

>>109962524
gender roles shouldn't define your "gender identity" and that mistake is where the whole trans mental illness comes from

>>109964300
If you give these people an inch, they'll take a mile

>>109964217
A straight man being attracted to a woman, including a trans woman, doesn’t magically redefine his orientation because you’re fixated on anatomy. You’re confusing identity, attraction, and body parts; all you've done so far is showing you lack understanding about these matters.

>>109964488
Sexual attraction is based on a person's anatomy

>>109964356
A fish doesn’t understand what water is because it has never experienced anything outside of it. It assumes the environment it inhabits is simply “reality.” Similarly, most cis people never experience a mismatch between their internal sense of self and their sexed body. Because they’ve never felt that incongruence, they assume no such internal dimension meaningfully exists. The absence of that experience feels like proof that it must be imaginary. But the fish’s ignorance of water doesn’t mean water isn’t there. It just means its experience is limited.

>>109964550
We're smarter than fish
Your mind is a product of your body and is influenced by your body. The idea of a mismatch purports that the mind somehow exists completely independently of the body, which is nonsense

>>109964529
sure, fuck him and then tell me you're straight then https://files.catbox.moe/7y63fa.png

>>109964579
>We're smarter than fish
Then act smarter than one. So far you haven't.

> Your mind is a product of your body and is influenced by your body. The idea of a mismatch purports that the mind somehow exists completely independently of the body, which is nonsense.
Once again, you're demonstrating your ignorance on this matter. Because of that, you're arguing against a straw man that actually describes your position more accurately than the one we arrived at through science: transphobic beliefs are most often based on an essentialist view of gender and sex. Trans people do, in fact, have brains that share more features with cis people of the same gender, more so than cis people share features with cis people of the opposite gender.

>>109964550
I saw a video recently of koi in a fish farm and one slides up onto the land to grab some food and immediately turns back and tries to get in the water, but the wall of fish make it hard and you can see him moving along the slope looking for an opening to get back into the water
When you wrote this shit, did you forget that beaches exist?

>>109964678
NTA but you're straight up lying. Trans brains mostly align with natal sex, with small and inconsistent shifts toward identified gender at best, and even those are negligible when you control for sexual orientation (gay cis brains look "shifted" too)

>>109964581
By your logic, not wanting to fuck a fat woman makes me gay
So is sucking a tranny's dick not gay, is that what you're implying

>>109964678
You keep throwing the word ignorance around but you can't actually explain your positions outside of spinning rhetoric

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>>109964957
Way to try to derail the discussion you know you're losing. Do you have anything substantive to say?

>>109964963
I am not lying, you're just unjustifiably moving the goalpost. Read what I wrote again.

>>109964981
You're committing a denying the antecedent fallacy, nobody is talking about the implications of NOT wanting to fuck a particular individual.

The point is that, according to THEIR logic, wanting to fuck the trans man in the picture wouldn't make them gay. Under the definition of sexuality relative to gender, it would make them gay. The broader point is that his rigid, simple definitions fail to describe the nuances of reality.

Sucking a tran woman's penis is not gay, after all, woman penises are just large clitorises that can cum.

>>109965000
What is unclear about my position? I can explain it, but be warned: It doesn't fit into mere slogans, in the same way transphobic views do.

>>109965157
You can't have "sexual" attraction to someone's (imagined) identity. You can't even understand why people are driven to have sex

I dont get why you Kumofags dont have your own thread, your own fucking community, instead you are all following the example of your lewdtroontuber and parasitizing other communities.

This guy literally said it's straight for a guy to suck cock. I'm dying

>>109965204
> You can't have "sexual" attraction to someone's (imagined) identity.
But they feel attraction to how people project themselves, regardless of their sex or neurological gender.

> You can't even understand why people are driven to have sex
People are driven to have sex because their brains are wired that way (due to evolution). Answers like "because it makes babies", which I infer you're looking for, are just teleological fallacies.

>>109965216
Real shoggers support trans rights.

>>109965216
Being parasites is very standard trans/leftist behaviour

>>109965216
this all started cause groomerantis like you were complaining over a simple collab

>>109965268
Amazing that everything that makes trannies look bad is magically a "fallacy"

>>109965324
Imagine a tranny calling anyone else a groomer

stfu and post her feet please

>>109965268
That's not what a teleological fallacy is. Sexual attraction is not divorced from reproduction

>>109965157
You can't be succint because ChatGPT isn't good for that

>>109965327
>>109965444
It's the opposite of a magical explanation. Teleological fallacies are considered fallacies because they smuggle intention or goal-directedness into processes that are not actually goal-driven. Evolution has no foresight, no plan, and no aims. It’s a blind filtering mechanism. When we explain traits as if nature “wanted” something, we misunderstand causation.

>>109965468
The very fact that you'd only accept a succinct response exposes a limitation in your capability to understand these matters. Reality is much more complex than bigots are willing to accept.

>>109965444
You’re treating an outcome (reproduction) as if it were an intentional driving cause in the individual mind. That’s similar to saying “hearts exist in order to pump blood.” Hearts weren’t designed for pumping blood; rather, variants that pumped blood effectively were selected for. The function is the result of selection, not a forward-looking purpose that caused the heart to exist.

From a biological standpoint, organisms don’t experience reproduction as a goal-state. Individuals don’t feel sexual desire because their brains are calculating genetic propagation. They feel desire because neural reward systems evolved to produce motivation, pleasure, bonding, etc. Evolution by natural selection then filters traits based on whether they increase reproductive success. The “making babies” part is the population-level consequence that explains why the wiring persisted, not the neurological reason a person feels desire.

>>109965511
You're divorcing sexual attraction from reproduction because you don't like the implications

>>109965511
Brevity...wit

>>109965774
Distinguishing sexual attraction from reproduction is standard evolutionary and neuroscientific analysis. Humans do not experience arousal because their brains are computing offspring probabilities; they experience arousal because specific stimuli activate evolved motivational circuits. Conflating attraction with reproduction commits a level-of-analysis error. It treats a population-level evolutionary outcome as if it were a consciously represented individual motive.

There’s also empirical evidence that sexual behavior and reproduction are decoupled in humans. Contraception, same-sex attraction, post-reproductive sexuality, and sex for bonding or pleasure all demonstrate that the motivational system is broader than mere fertilization.

All in all, your position also drifts into a version of the naturalistic fallacy. Even if we granted that sexual attraction evolved because it tended to result in reproduction, that descriptive fact would not automatically generate a prescription about how sexuality ought to function today. Evolution explains what traits were selected under past environmental pressures; it does not issue moral directives. Moving from “this trait evolved under reproductive selection” to “therefore sexuality must be organized strictly around reproduction” is a classic is-to-ought leap.

But there’s a deeper problem: the “nature” you're appealing to does not correspond to observed reality. In actual biological reality, sexuality is not a narrow reproduction-trigger mechanism. It’s a flexible motivational system involving pair bonding, pleasure, attachment, social signaling, and long-term cooperation. Humans exhibit concealed ovulation, extended sexuality beyond fertile windows, post-menopausal sexual behavior, and same-sex attraction across cultures and time. All of that is part of the empirical natural record.

So when someone says “sexual attraction is for reproduction, full stop,” they’re not defending nature, they’re defending a stripped-down caricature of it. Real evolutionary biology is messier and more nuanced. Selection produces broad behavioral propensities that can manifest in diverse ways depending on developmental and environmental contexts. And it doesn’t produce a moral instruction manual.

>>109966012
Children whose father stuck around has higher odds of reproducing themselves
Homosexuals are suffering from a mental illness
Using contraception is akin to masturbation

>>109965268
Most men don't want to have sex with trannies unless they're desperate. Although apparently you'd suck their cocks out of a particular perversion for cocks

>>109965432
Just go onto x

>>109966165
> Children whose father stuck around has higher odds of reproducing themselves
Completely irrelevant to what we're discussing.

> Homosexuals are suffering from a mental illness
False. A mental illness involves dysfunction or distress intrinsic to the condition itself. Same-sex attraction does not inherently produce cognitive impairment or psychopathology; when distress occurs, it overwhelmingly correlates with social stigma, not the orientation. In other words, homosexuality is only a "problem" because people like you exist.

> Using contraception is akin to masturbation
If your argument is that sex is only legitimate when directly aimed at reproduction, then contraception, infertility, post-menopausal sex, and even non-penetrative marital intimacy would all fall outside that standard. But human sexuality has always served multiple functions beyond fertilization: pair bonding, stress regulation, intimacy reinforcement, and social cohesion. Even non-reproductive sexual behaviors, including mutual stimulation, play roles in attachment and relationship stability. Reducing sex to sperm delivery ignores the well-documented psychological and relational dimensions of human mating systems.

>>109966267
They had to reclassify homosexual as not a mental illness due to social pressure

>>109966451
It did because we learned more through science. Studies failed to show that same-sex attraction is inherently associated with cognitive impairment, emotional instability, or reduced functioning. When distress was present, it was strongly correlated with stigma and discrimination, rather than orientation itself.

>>109966267
>A mental illness involves dysfunction or distress intrinsic to the condition itself. Same-sex attraction does not inherently produce cognitive impairment or psychopathology; when distress occurs, it overwhelmingly correlates with social stigma, not the orientation. In other words, homosexuality is only a "problem" because people like you exist.
Cool, now do pedophilia

>>109966191
you’d be surprised how many horny degens nowadays lusts for transgirls especially online

>>109966570
>Studies failed to show that same-sex attraction is inherently associated with cognitive impairment, emotional instability, or reduced functioning.
Besides the whole "doesn't want to have sex with the opposite sex" thing, right?

>>109966622
*lust

>>109965157
>Sucking a tran woman's penis is not gay, after all, woman penises are just large clitorises that can cum.
What about you, a man, getting fucked up the ass by a tranny's penis?

>>109966267
>contraception, infertility, post-menopausal sex, and even non-penetrative marital intimacy would all fall outside that standard
Ok, but they do? They aren't standard for various reasons
At least marital intimacy actually serves a greater purpose and isn't entirely concerned with hedonism like homosexual or wearing contraceptives for casual sex

>>109965157
>Way to try to derail the discussion you know you're losing. Do you have anything substantive to say?
That guy wrecked you by pointing out that your dumb "fish don't know what water is" analogy was full of shit and you still haven't recovered to this hour from it

>>109966622
Calling them degenerate is quite accurate, to be fair. The anon pretending that the average straight man would is delusional to an almost comical degree

>>109966267
If a mental illness falls in a forest and nobody's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?

So is this guy using ChatGPT or something? What are we saying here?

>>109966267
That's exactly what sex is for; these extra dimensions are pure noise. You're committing the classic error of insisting that the model account for arbitrary features to fit your preconceived notions, only weakening its explanatory power. The fact that the most common human mating model, historically, is heterosexual polygamy with little paternal involvement undermines your point about the importance of pair bonding. Meanwhile, there is evidence to suggest that homosexuality in men is a result of genes influencing promiscuity.
https://genepi.qimr.edu.au/contents/publications/staff/ZietschetalNGM597Evol&HumBeh424-433.pdf

This was the same guy typing paragraphs in the thread all day yesterday trying to push some form of far-left ideology, probably a Marxist of some flavor
Same again: he stopped posting at about this time, so he's either a European who only posts here during work or, more likely, SEA, and has gone to bed

>>109966779
True lmao

>>109966620
You’re collapsing two different domains, clinical criteria and moral judgment, and then implicitly accusing others of doing exactly what you’re doing.

First, the is a distinction between pedophilia and pedophilic disorder. In modern psychiatry (see the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), a paraphilia is an atypical sexual interest, not a kind of mental disorder. It becomes a paraphilic disorder only if it causes clinically significant distress, functional impairment, or involves harm or risk of harm to others.

Second, you’re treating diagnostic criteria as if they were disguised moral votes. They aren’t. Psychiatry does not classify something as a disorder simply because it is socially condemned. Plenty of socially condemned behaviors are not mental illnesses. Likewise, plenty of mental illnesses carry no moral condemnation. The organizing principle is dysfunction and harm, not disgust, not majority preference, not ideology.

You're assuming that harm considerations are “subjective moral stances.” Developmental incapacity for consent is not a subjective norm. Children lack the neurological and psychological maturity to engage in informed sexual consent, that is a matter of developmental science. The asymmetry of power and vulnerability is empirically grounded. Recognizing that is not moral grandstanding; it’s an assessment of risk and impairment.

What you’re doing is projecting: you’re assuming the classification system is secretly enforcing certain subjective norms you don't approve of, because you wish they did but for your own subjective norms.

>>109966647
You've yet to demonstrate that not wanting to have sex with the opposite sex is a problem, let alone one that would fit the criteria of a mental illness.

>>109966667
I am not interested in trans women fucking me in the ass for the same reasons I am not interested in cis women fucking me in the ass.

>>109966739
> Ok, but they do? They aren't standard for various reasons
None of which are justified. Your religious standards are demonstrably harmful to society.

>>109966757
That response is not even worth answering, as it comically misses the point, and just serves to derail the conversation.

>>109966782
If there's nobody to hear it, it's not a mental illness by definition. Mental illnesses are emergent phenomena of our brains.

>>109966962
where is he going?

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>>109967083
>What you’re doing is projecting: you’re assuming the classification system is secretly enforcing certain subjective norms you don't approve of, because you wish they did but for your own subjective norms.
No, I asked you to explain paedophilia. And you mostly did, but you started playing coy because you were absolutel terrified to spell out in simple language that your argument is "paedophilia is not a mental illness". That is your argument, but you realised how terrible the optics were of admitting this and so chose to shit out several paragraphs to dance around this conclusion

>>109967083
>and just serves to derail the conversation.
You're talking about trannies in a thread about a Vtuber. What sort of moral high-ground are you pretending to have about derailing anything?

Keep it to one line, ShonFREAKS.

>>109966956
The moment you say the bonding, pleasure, and attachment dimensions are “pure noise,” you’ve made an ideological move, not a methodological one.

In biology, “noise” means random variation that does not systematically contribute to fitness or function. Extended sexuality outside fertile windows, concealed ovulation, orgasm-linked bonding chemistry (oxytocin, vasopressin), long juvenile dependency, and cross-cultural evidence of stable pair bonds are not random anomalies. They are recurrent, species-typical traits. Labeling them “noise” is simply declaring in advance that only fertilization counts as explanatory. That’s not parsimony, that’s narrowing the model to fit a preferred conclusion.

On the mating systems point: yes, anthropological surveys show that many preindustrial societies are polygynous. But “polygynous” does not mean “no pair bonding” or “no paternal investment.” In polygynous societies, there's substantial paternal involvement, because human offspring are unusually costly and slow to mature. Humans are not like many other mammals where males contribute nothing beyond gametes. Our life-history strategy (long childhood, high energetic cost, cooperative breeding) strongly implicates bonding and multi-year parental investment as adaptive components of the system.

Regarding the paper you linked (Zietsch et al.), that research explores whether genetic factors associated with same-sex behavior in men might be related to traits like sociosexuality (willingness toward casual sex). That’s an example of evolutionary modeling at the population level. Even if such a linkage exists, it doesn’t reduce homosexuality to “genes for promiscuity.” Traits can have pleiotropic effects. Selection can maintain alleles through indirect pathways (e.g., kin selection, heterozygote advantage, correlated traits). None of that collapses sexual orientation into a mere byproduct of promiscuity, and none of it implies dysfunction.

The deeper issue is this: you’re defining the purpose of sex in advance (reproduction only), then treating every other empirically observed function as expendable clutter. But evolutionary biology doesn’t work that way. It explains why traits that enhance inclusive fitness persist. If bonding, pleasure, and attachment increase offspring survival, pair stability, or cooperative networks, then they are part of the adaptive story, not noise.

>>109967083
>I am not interested in trans women fucking me in the ass for the same reasons I am not interested in cis women fucking me in the ass.
I didn't ask if you were interested. I asked if it was gay or not. Answer the question

>>109967226
>If bonding, pleasure, and attachment increase offspring survival, pair stability, or cooperative networks, then they are part of the adaptive story, not noise.
Faggots don't breed, though

>>109967164
"Pedophilia is not a mental illness" is not the argument; it's one of its conclusions. Your inability to distinguish between a conclusion and the argument supporting it shows that you're unprepared to discuss anything.

>>109967229
No, it is not, for the same reasons why a cis woman pegging you is not gay.

>>109967341
>it's one of its conclusions.
So it is the conclusion?

>>109967341
>No, it is not, for the same reasons why a cis woman pegging you is not gay.
Getting fucked up the ass by a man is not gay

>>109967291
You’re still thinking at the level of individual fertilization events instead of population genetics and social evolution. Evolution does not select traits based solely on whether every individual who carries them personally reproduces. It selects on inclusive fitness, the overall propagation of genes through direct reproduction, kin, and cooperative structures. Humans are an intensely social, cooperative species. Survival and reproductive success historically depended on extended kin networks, alloparenting, food sharing, alliance formation, and division of labor.

Individuals who do not themselves reproduce can still increase the survival and reproductive success of relatives and group members. In small-scale societies (which describe most of our evolutionary history as homo sapiens) especially, additional adult contributors, hunters, gatherers, caregivers, defenders, raise the survival odds of related offspring.

And beyond kin selection, not every trait that persists must be directly adaptive in isolation. Some traits are maintained through pleiotropy (genes influencing multiple traits), balancing selection, or because the underlying variation contributes to broader behavioral diversity that benefits the population.

So the statement “X doesn’t personally breed” does not logically entail “X has no evolutionary relevance.” That’s a misunderstanding of how selection works in social species. Real biology operates at the level of populations and networks, not just sperm-in-womb counts.

>>109967491
>So the statement “X doesn’t personally breed” does not logically entail “X has no evolutionary relevance.”
It's a good job I didn't say that then, ChatGPT-kun

>>109967372
It's not the only conclusion. I know reading is hard, but if you don't understand what you're arguing against, you have no weight in this discussion.

However, I know you won't acknowledge what I say because your entire sophistry relies on a caricature of the definitions of terms used in mental health science. There is a explicit distinction pedophilia as a descriptive term for an attraction and pedophilic disorder as a clinical diagnosis that requires distress, impairment, or harm/risk of harm. Collapsing those into “so you’re saying it’s not a mental illness” is you flattening a structured argument into a slogan that loses its impact on people who understand the topic.

>>109967663
>It's not the only conclusion.
It's not but you pussied out of admitting it outright purely out of optics, so pretending that you're some impartial poster rather than an agenda pusher is comical at this point
>However, I know you won't acknowledge what I say because your entire sophistry relies on a caricature of the definitions of terms used in mental health science.
You don't believe in mental health science, you think being a tranny isn't a mental illness

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>>109967632
Come on. Don’t play coy. You responded to an argument about bonding, attachment, and cooperative fitness with “they don’t breed.” That is very obviously an attempt to dismiss evolutionary relevance on the sole basis of direct reproduction. If you now want to retreat into “I didn’t literally say they have no evolutionary relevance,” that’s just semantic evasiveness.

The implication of your statement was clear: you were treating personal reproduction as the only metric that matters. That’s exactly why I explained inclusive fitness and network-level effects. If you meant something more nuanced, you had every opportunity to say it. Instead, you went for a one-line dismissal. You can’t have it both ways, dropping reductionist one-liners and then pretending there was no implied claim when the implications are unpacked. If you want to argue seriously about evolutionary models, make the actual model explicit instead of hiding behind technical deniability.

>>109967764
It's not the only conclusion. I know reading is hard, but if you don't understand what you're arguing against, you have no weight in this discussion.

This is a Shondo thread, not an anon hate sex foreplay thread.

Either talk about imouto wife, or lube up your assholes and go somewhere else.

>>109967940
Lubing up your asshole and getting fucked by a tranny's penis actually wouldn't be gay according to this anon

>>109967730
> It's not but you pussied out of admitting it outright purely out of optics, so pretending that you're some impartial poster rather than an agenda pusher is comical at this point
I provided a thorough explanation because many people don't understand what "pedophilia is not a mental illness" means, and you know it. If you want to argue against our current understanding of mental health, address what scientists actually mean when they talk about it, not your caricatures drawn from misunderstandings about the topic.

> You don't believe in mental health science, you think being a tranny isn't a mental illness
This isn’t a matter of “belief,” and reducing it to that just advertises that you don’t understand how science works.

What you’re doing is what you’re accusing others of: you’re starting with a moral conclusion and then trying to retrofit “science” around it. Meanwhile, you dismiss decades of clinical research, outcome studies, and consensus statements from major medical bodies as if they’re just opinions you can wave away.

You don’t get to reject the methodological process (peer review, replication, diagnostic criteria, outcome data) and then claim you’re the one defending science. That’s not skepticism; it’s selective deference to anything that confirms what you already wanted to believe.

>>109967663
You're acting like it above it all but you have no problem hiding behind the DSM to argue that being a tranny or fag isn't some flavor of mental illness but as soon as you're told to recite the implication of what it says about pedophilia, you start waffling

>>109967990
>I provided a thorough explanation because many people don't understand what "pedophilia is not a mental illness" means,
No, you did it to cover your ass over optics because you realised
>the tranny defending pedophilia
would look horrible

>>109968045
> You're acting like it above it all but you have no problem hiding behind the DSM ...
You’re trying to invert how knowledge formation works. The DSM is not a sacred oracle, an authority scientists obey. It’s a codification of the current state of psychiatric research and clinical consensus. It gets revised precisely because it reflects accumulated evidence, debates, longitudinal studies, and outcome data. It doesn’t dictate reality, it summarizes the best-supported model at a given time.

> ... to argue that being a tranny or fag isn't some flavor of mental illness but as soon as you're told to recite the implication of what it says about pedophilia, you start waffling
> No, you did it to cover your ass over optics because you realised "the tranny defending pedophilia" would look horrible
No one is waffling. The distinction has been consistent the entire time. A paraphilia is an atypical sexual interest. A paraphilic disorder is diagnosed when there is significant distress, impairment, or harm/risk of harm. That structure applies generally. It’s not a special carve-out invented for optics.

The “you’re covering your ass over optics” line is just an attempt to psychologize the argument instead of addressing it. You’re trying to make this about motives because you can’t undermine the structure of the definitions themselves. If you had a contradiction to point out, you would point it out directly instead of speculating about PR strategy. Besides, if I were actually trying to deceive as a means to protect optics, I would lie to you and tell you that pedophilia is a mental illness, not describe the criteria accurately.

Being trans is not a mental illness. Being homosexual is not a mental illness. Being a pedophile is not a mental illness. The reason homosexuality is not classified as a disorder is because it lacks intrinsic dysfunction or harm between consenting adults. The reason being trans is not classified as a disorder is because identity itself is not a pathology; distress is diagnosable when present. The reason being a pedophile is not classified as a disorder is because it is a paraphilia, which is categorically distinct from a paraphilic disorder.

You keep trying to collapse distinct clinical categories into slogans. If you’re going to argue about psychiatric classification, you need to engage with the actual criteria rather than treating every distinction as a dodge. If you want to challenge the framework, do it on methodological grounds. But insinuating bad faith every time a definition doesn’t collapse the way you want isn’t an argument, it’s a deflection.

>>109968102
Thanks for proving my point. Nobody here is defending pedophilia. The fact that you reflexively jump to that framing shows exactly how shallow your reading of the discussion has been.

What’s actually happening is that you’re collapsing distinctions on purpose because the optics of a false equivalence are rhetorically convenient. Explaining the difference between a descriptive term and a clinical diagnosis is not “defending” anything. Clarifying diagnostic criteria is not endorsement. If a cardiologist explains the difference between high cholesterol and a heart attack, that doesn’t mean they’re defending heart attacks.

You’re relying on a very simple formula:
“If you refuse to condemn something in the exact emotional tone I demand, you must secretly support it.” That’s not reasoning, that’s moral theatrics.

What you’re doing is weaponizing optics to avoid engaging with definitions. You’re substituting insinuation for argument. Instead of addressing the criteria directly, you’re trying to socially poison the well, “look how bad this sounds”, because that’s easier than grappling with the actual framework being explained.

If your position were strong on its own merits, you wouldn’t need to pretend that explaining psychiatric terminology equals endorsement. You’d just attack the criteria directly. The fact that you pivot to false guilt-by-association tells me you don’t have that counterargument, so you’re trying to manufacture outrage instead.

>>109937966
>the cuck general of /vt/

>>109968488
Hey look, I'm not the person here running defence for pedophile, homosexuals, transsexuals and all other manner of degeneracy. Obviously you get your kicks from using ChatGPT to argue on this board all day long pretending to be a good person, but anyone with any actual sense has realised that you're by far the worst person who has ever posted here

>>109968717
Thanks for conceding the debate.

Notice what didn’t happen: you didn’t refute the diagnostic criteria. You didn’t challenge the evolutionary framework. You didn’t engage with the consent distinction. You just escalated to blanket condemnation and character attacks. That’s not counterargument, that’s retreat.

You accuse me of “running defense,” but what I’ve actually been doing is explaining how definitions work, how psychiatric classification works, and how evolutionary models work. If your position can only survive by ignoring those frameworks and substituting moral disgust, then it isn’t grounded in analysis, it’s grounded in dogma. You can call your stances religious, ideological, or instinctive if you prefer. But at least own that it’s not more than an unfounded values-based subjective stance. Don’t pretend it’s science while rejecting science the moment it contradicts you.

If you ever want to argue the substance instead of the optics, I’ll be here. Otherwise, enjoy shouting into the void.

>>109968488
>You’re relying on a very simple formula:
At least he's not using a LLM for writing his responses

>>109968868
> At least he's not using a LLM for writing his responses
What you're saying is nothing more than a genetic fallacy. If you want to argue, address what is being said, not who said it.

>>109968861
Man so terrified to admit that he believes "pedophilia is not a mental illness" that he writes an entire book to dance around admitting to it

>>109968900
>genetic fallacy
Is this when you imply that the other person is using an LLM to type up their responses?

>>109969145
Yes, when it is used as an attempt to argue against what they're saying, it is an example of a genetic fallacy.

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>>109969184
You're just inventing fallacies at this point
You could refute it by just pointing out that you aren't, but you obviously are

>>109969542
> You're just inventing fallacies at this point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

>You could refute it by just pointing out that you aren't, but you obviously are
There's nothing to refute because it's not a valid argument to begin with. Also, it speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity that you'd be more willing to listen to people who lie to you than people who are honest, even when you know they are lying.

I remember there was some old clip with Nina and Shondo, where they talked about the cave diving and the people that die in them and go "why do men love cave diving so much?" and Nina says "men just love entering holes" or something like that, and Shondo asked her to elaborate, it was a funny clip but I can't find it, does someone else remember it?

>>109969651
Doesn't mention anything about using ChatGPT or other programs to make your arguments for you.
You must have a lot of time on your hands considering you've been posting nonstop here for the last 5 or 6 hours

>>109969651
>Also, it speaks volumes about your intellectual integrity that you'd be more willing to listen to people who lie to you
You've been lying about men being women for days now. How autistic or otherwise lacking in self awareness can you be that you can even type something like this without shame?

>>109969857
I'm not the only anon using ChatGPT, dummy.

>>109969882
You're committing the fallacy of begging the question. You're just assuming that your conclusion is true, even when everything that has been said so far shows otherwise.

>>109969966
>I'm not the only anon using ChatGPT, dummy.
Point to another post using it

>>109969966
>You're just assuming that your conclusion is true,
Are you pretending that you haven't started at "Kumo is actually a grill guys!!!" and then put shit into ChatGPT for hours trying to come up with asinine arguments to defend it? This is just projection

>>109969966
>I'm not the only anon using ChatGPT, dummy.
Imagine admitting to this. If I was using this to think for me so that I could shit up a Vtuber thread for hours, you couldn't get me to admit it at gunpoint

>>109970092
Coming up with arguments to defend one's position is the complete opposite of begging the question, retard.

>>109970123
That just goes to show how irrational your way of thinking is. Your criteria for accepting arguments leaves the valid ones out, and only accepts ones that are fallacious.

>>109970226
>Coming up with arguments
You're not coming up with arguments. You started off saying "he is a girl" and then typed every response into ChatGPT to generate a response. You're not "coming up" with anything in the same way that people who generate AI art aren't artists

>>109970260
Do you have anything relevant to say? Or will you just keep playing semantic games to try to evade the points of the discussion?

>>109970226
>That just goes to show how irrational your way of thinking is
You think a man is a woman, you're the most irrational poster in this thread. Go on and ask ChatGPT for a spicy response

>>109970300
Why don't you ask ChatGPT if I have anything relevant to say? Or the gaping wound where your cock used to be?

>>109970326
You show you do not even understand what rationality is. Rationality isn’t about repeating slogans. It’s about applying consistent definitions, engaging with evidence, and following arguments where they lead. Simply asserting “a man is a woman” as a caricature and declaring victory isn’t an argument, it’s a refusal to grapple with the conceptual distinctions being discussed.

If you think the position is irrational, demonstrate the contradiction. Point out the flawed premise. Show where the logic breaks. But just labeling it irrational without analysis doesn’t make you the voice of reason, it just makes you loud.

>>109970451
>Simply asserting “a man is a woman” as a caricature
It's reality
>the conceptual distinctions being discussed.
The public masturbation being shat out by an LLM and posted by an autist
>Show where the logic breaks.
Because men can't be women. It's self demonstrating

>>109970069
>>109969966
Whose else is using it? You can't just say this and be shocked when someone asks you to back up your claim. Is that not another one of "your" fallacies, faggot?

>>109970504
> It's reality
Begging the question.

> The public masturbation being shat out by an LLM and posted by an autist
Yup, the same genetic fallacy again. You should stop trying. It's clear that you can't say anything rational.

> Because men can't be women.
So, you won't address the arguments at all. No one is saying that "men can be women." That's just a strawman you're attacking because you don't even understand the claims we're discussing.

> It's self demonstrating
"It's self-demonstrating" = "I have no reasons to believe it is true".

any update on the figure?

>>109970662
>Begging the question.
But it is reality. And you're egotistical enough to think you can just debate your way out of it
>It's clear that you can't say anything rational.
You literally can't say anything: you're just copy-pasting a bot. Maybe it's because you're a leftist but you have to realise that human beings don't see language merely as the means by which to get what they want, unlike you, who can't even hold a conversation to the point that you've outsourced your thinking to a bot. If someone did this to you in person, you'd realise how insane they were
No one is saying that "men can be women."
Yes you are. Classic motte and bailey
>"It's self-demonstrating" = "I have no reasons to believe it is true".
I've no reason to believe someone who doesn't want what's best for me or for other. Or a proven liar

Rabbi behavior

what the absolute fuck is happening in this thread

>>109971320
autism

>>109971320
schizophrenia

>>109971088
> But it is reality. And you're egotistical enough to think you can just debate your way out of it
I have presented my arguments. If you think they're wrong, then argue against them instead of evading the issue with pathetic sophistry.

Claiming that arguing for arguing for one's points is "egotistical" is pure projection. You're the one claiming to magically know the truth, despite having no reason to believe your beliefs are true.

> Maybe it's because you're a leftist but you have to realise that human beings don't see language merely as the means by which to get what they want
Yet more projection. Throughout history, it has been far-right demagogues who have exploited language and logical fallacies to manipulate people into accepting their beliefs, and you are employing many of the same strategies right now.

> unlike you, who can't even hold a conversation to the point that you've outsourced your thinking to a bot. If someone did this to you in person, you'd realise how insane they were.
The fact that you keep clinging to your genetic fallacy shows how desperate you are. Accept it, you have no valid arguments.

> "No one is saying that men can be women." Yes you are. Classic motte and bailey.
No, the claim has always been that people who are predominantly male can be women. Your inability to distinguish between sex and gender demonstrates your inability to engage in the debate. You either don't even understand what is being discussed, or are pretending not to.

> I've no reason to believe someone who doesn't want what's best for me or for other. Or a proven liar
You really love your genetic fallacies, do you? Also, the premises are not even true.

>>109972389
>my arguments
>for one's points
They're not yours, though. You pulled them from a LLM and pasted them in the thread.
>Throughout history, it has been far-right demagogues who have exploited language and logical fallacies to manipulate people into accepting their beliefs, and you are employing many of the same strategies right now.
You realise you have no moral ground to stand on saying this considering you're some flavor of Marxist? Meanwhile you think anyone slightly to the right of you is far-right. Actually I'd wager you don't even actually believe it, but you'll say it
>genetic fallacy
Is such a dishonest way of saying "generated via LLM". There's no proof you even believe anything you're posting because none of it has come from your own head
>No, the claim has always been that people who are predominantly male can be women
An equally insane claim, to be fair
>Your inability to distinguish between sex and gender demonstrates your inability to engage in the debate.
No, it proves I can't be manipulated by insane propagandists
>You really love your genetic fallacies, do you?
When you talk to your parents or friends, do you also use ChatGPT to generate your replies? Or do you even have family and friends who are willing to talk to you anymore?

Hi thread reading shondo can’t wait for the lily and kumo collab in the future

>>109972389
I'm still waiting for you to point out posts that are using ChatGPT that aren't you
Also, why does it take you so long to post? You're not even writing anything so you should be able to shart it out in a few minutes max, unless your brain is also slow

https://x.com/Shonmium/status/2029309612587987414

That's... a lot of words

>>109968488
Another bookworm who believes that everything must be explained by a book in order to be real. I'm sorry to tell you, but all those academics have never had a real life, since they spent most of it disconnected from others. Your problem is that you were brainwashed and you're still stuck in that doctrine. Get out of your comfort zone and live somewhere else where you can interact with people who disagree with you. You'll be deprogrammed immediately. Indoctrination needs constant maintenance to stay in place. The reality is, and I say this from experience with real people, transsexuals, homosexuals, etc. are people who were never able to develop an identity for a variety of reasons, almost all of them due to abuse or manipulation. They are people who have not yet faced their traumas, and if they continue to frequent the same places and people they probably never will. The few homosexuals who are truly homosexual are extremely rare, and it is always due to some kind of defect. Although it may hurt, that is the reality.

This board is my only source of Shondo information. Why is she AWOL?

>>109978177
merch

>>109978177
Kumo.

>>109972529
>They're not yours, though. You pulled them from a LLM and pasted them in the thread.
Repeating your fallacies is not doing you any favors. Learn how critical thinking and empirical inferences actually work.

> You realise you have no moral ground to stand on saying this considering you're some flavor of Marxist?
This isn't even a discussion about morality, retard.

> Meanwhile you think anyone slightly to the right of you is far-right.
No, people who espouse far-right ideologies are far-right.
Your framing of the issue suggests that you don't understand left-wing distinctions; using terms like "slightly to the right" shows you possess a distorted idea of the concepts based on tribalistic notions.

> Is such a dishonest way of saying "generated via LLM".
No, pointing out that discarding an argument simply because it was written by an LLM is fallacious reasoning is correct.

> An equally insane claim, to be fair
Now this is just an appeal to common sense fallacy.

> No, it proves I can't be manipulated by insane propagandists
You are the one who has been propagandized. As you've shown, you have been convinced by irrational ideas and reject logical arguments outright because you've been primed to do so.

> When you talk to your parents or friends, do you also use ChatGPT to generate your replies? Or do you even have family and friends who are willing to talk to you anymore?
Yes, I do. Do you really think that's the "gotcha" you seem to think it is?
The fact that you think discussion should be tailored to appeal to "family and friends" shows that you're susceptible to falling into cults or religions, and fall into tribalistic, irrational thought patterns.

dont watch shondo but why do chuds say she doesn't like black men when she made her audience avatar a black man and her audience has to suffer fanart of her being fucked by a black man

>>109978088
Your entire argument rests on the romantic idea that “real life experience” is somehow a superior path to truth than systematic inquiry. It isn’t. In fact, what you’re describing is exactly how people become more vulnerable to basic reasoning errors.

When you dismiss research with “I’ve met real people,” you are openly admitting that your epistemology is appeal to anecdote. Personal experience feels compelling, but it’s an extremely poor truth-seeking mechanism. Humans see patterns where none exist, generalize from tiny samples, remember confirming cases, and forget contradictory ones. That’s precisely why scientific methods were developed in the first place: to correct for those biases.

The same applies to your constant invocation of “common sense.” Basic intuitions are not reliable detectors of truth; they’re rough heuristics shaped by evolution to be “good enough” for survival in small social groups, not to accurately model complex biological, psychological, or social phenomena. If “common sense” were a reliable guide to reality, humanity would still believe that the sun revolves around the Earth, that diseases come from bad air, and that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones. The entire development of modern science consists of learning how not to trust those immediate intuitions without testing them.

And contrary to your claim, scientific thinking is not something people magically acquire by “going outside and talking to people.” It’s a learned discipline. It involves statistical reasoning, controlled comparisons, careful definitions, and methods specifically designed to prevent exactly the kinds of reasoning errors you’re displaying. The reason modern medicine, psychology, and biology have transformed human life in the last century is precisely because they replaced anecdote and intuition with systematic evidence.

Ironically, the mindset you’re advocating, “ignore the research, trust your gut, trust what people around you say” is exactly the mindset demagogues rely on. Far-right propagandists, preachers, and ideologues are experts at appealing to “common sense” and personal stories because those bypass critical scrutiny. They know that if people evaluate claims using evidence and methodological reasoning, those claims fall apart very quickly.

As for your specific claims: asserting that homosexuality or trans identity are mostly caused by abuse or manipulation is simply unsupported. Large bodies of research in psychology, neuroscience, and behavioral genetics have examined these questions for decades. The evidence does not support the idea that sexual orientation is the result of trauma, nor that homosexual people are just confused individuals who “failed to develop an identity.” If that were true, we would see strong, consistent correlations between childhood abuse and sexual orientation across populations. We don’t. Abuse unfortunately occurs in many populations, but it does not predict orientation in the way your theory requires.

Likewise, the claim that “true homosexuals are extremely rare defects” is just rhetoric dressed up as certainty. Same-sex behavior and orientation appear across cultures and across history. That alone should make anyone cautious about simplistic explanations involving “degeneration” or “identity failure.”

And notice the structure of your reasoning: you start with a moral conclusion (“this is degeneracy”), and then you retrofit a psychological story to justify it. That’s not investigation; that’s rationalization.

So no, dismissing research in favor of gut feelings and a handful of personal encounters doesn’t make you more in touch with reality. It means you’re relying on the very cognitive shortcuts that serious inquiry was designed to overcome. If anything, the position you’re defending isn’t the product of independent thinking, it’s exactly what happens when intuition, ideology, and anecdote replace evidence and critical reasoning.

>>109980767
(You) is canonically a shadow monster, not a black man. It's based on the "shadow people" she sees when her schizophrenia flares up, and it's meant to represent her audience as a whole. Also, there is no solid evidence that shondo does not like black men.

When’s the next cookie party?? ^_^

>>109980707
You woke up and immediately started pumping shit back into the LLM
Someone who is as insane as you isn't in any place to talk about what is normal because you're already too far gone. You're going to waste your life as a terrible leftist propagandist because the concept that men cannot become women is too much for your tiny brain to process that you're going to spend all of today too arguing about it
>The fact that you think discussion should be tailored to appeal to "family and friends" shows that you're susceptible to falling into cults or religions, and fall into tribalistic, irrational thought patterns.
I think you have actually reading difficulties. If you have no problem using LLMs to post everything for you in this thread, I don't have any reason to believe that you don't do this with your family and friends too. And if you think that's normal, you're absolutely insane. The reason why leftists end up failing in the end is that to get to your level, you have to be completely divorced from society and you'll never convince other people if they realise that you're some shut-in freak

>>109980707
Least autistic East-European

>>109981031
aren’t you tired of larping as a pedophile?

>>109982444
Is he trying to act like the LLM guy?

>>109982502
You’re thinking of captain custard

LLM Bro started work. I'd wager he'll finish in about 6 hours at which point he will spend the rest of the night arguing in the thread
His timezone is either GMT +1 or +2

https://girlcockx.com/kumogoro/status/2029351309040607483

>>109981929
But leftists are winning in every area of society, especially the more successful ones.
>>109983124
The lack of self awareness lmao.

>>109983282
not every area of society, immigration has gotten pretty bad since they though they could bring more conservative minded and right leaning people in and they would be different from the conservative monkeys we already have to deal with

>>109983124
> assuming he works

>>109983282
Except for their higher rates of mental illness and lower birth rates?

>>109983358
You'd be furious if someone started calling black people "monkeys"

>>109983282
Leftists? I was told with confidence by an anon two days ago that both parties in the US were right wing. Are the millionaires and billionaires who donate to them somehow leftists now?

A big fan of the genre of leftists who complain and talk like gossiping women
>>109983282
>>109983358

>>109984032
they aren't talking about leftists in America

>>109984232
What leftists are "they" (You) talking about then, Mr Mindreader

>>109984252
I don't need to read minds. since leftists in the US are scarce and miserable. The leftist that do well are the ones in developed countries, such the Nordic ones.

>>109984032
the only people telling you both parties are right wing are conservatives strawmanning like you or ""leftists"" who aren't really leftists and spned more time tearing down the left than they do the right, often times russian bots or retarded people falling for them, basically just a different flavor of rightoid like you

>>109984537
Amazing how it's easy to do well in high trust, mostly homogenous white societies. You'd do well there regardless of the political system
You'll also find that the reason leftists in the US are miserable is that being miserable is almost a prerequisite of being a leftist

>>109984602
not all leftists are miserable there, usually just the ones who have to deal with living in conservative areas or being represented by conservative minorities politically.
>>109984159
wait until you find out about the rightoids like the ones on 4chan

>>109984600
No, he was definitely an actual leftist. He spent hours arguing about how good leftism is while complaining about the far-right constantly.
You're just running defence for him because his optics are terrible
Also, are we still honestly pushing the Russian bots narrative? You people will cling to anything for cope

>>109984621
Leftists cannot live with 80 percent of their countrymen without becoming more mentally ill and then pretend that they're not the problem
40 percent of young leftist women are diagnosed with some mental illness or other

>>109984627
>he was definitely an actual leftist
maybe in your brain since it's convenient for you, in the same way a college kid who is psyopped into making palestine their personality who refuses to vote left wing is a ""leftist"". oh well i guess you have to cling on to your strawmen though so youi'd never be able to admit otherwise like the rest of your kind
>>109984671
rightoids are worse they just don't report it, every study that accounts for this shows it

>>109984602
No, they do well because of leftist policies.

> You'll also find that the reason leftists in the US are miserable is that being miserable is almost a prerequisite of being a leftist.
That depends on your definition of "miserable".

Sad because they are aware how much the world sucks, and reject the "ignorance is bliss" attitude conservatives and rightoids take? Yep, leftists are always looking forward.

Miserable as living in poor material conditions? Not at all; they are the best as improving people's material conditions.

>>109984684
If someone identifies as a leftist and whines about rightwingers all day, who are you to tell them what they are and aren't?

>>109984684
And is the source for that theory just you making up shit?

Shondo please ship my merch

Thank you

D

>>109984684
In the US, voting for a left-wing third party is throwing away your vote. The voting system is designed so that there can only be two relevant parties. Third parties are psyops designed to damage the major party whose slogans most closely align with theirs.

>>109984729
Every leftist politician in my country supports raising my taxes for public works that go overbudget but under deliver, sending money to support foreigners while the natives suffer, failed environmentalism and immigration to push my wages down. In what way are leftists going to improve my material conditions?

>>109984789
and it conveniently aligns with the conservative minority such as:
>>109984736
>>109984764
who, as you can see, are completely unserious about living in reality and are more concerned with winning an argument or shilling their world view without reason almost like their peers who actually get paid to do so lol

>>109984797
>my country
notice how you didn't name it, you can start with the current conservative administration and minority in america though such as trump's tariffs and crypto scams and tax cuts for the rich and billionaire company sponsorships lol

>>109984797
With the power of rhetoric, in the minds of the public, any victory can be dismissed as "not good enough," or even portrayed as a "defeat." Conversely, any defeat can be overlooked or even praised. That's why you should focus on where you are instead of listening to what people tell you about where you are.

>>109984838
Go on and gif me a source for "conservative women are more mentally ill than leftists"

>>109984868
>can't source his own claim
you first so i can then play this same game instead of trying to argue with someone who doesn't believe in science anyway

>>109984857
I didn't name it but I'm not a Yank. You're not the only country that exists in the world, you know?

Most of this thread isn’t about Shondo :(

>>109984868
Conservatism is indeed a mental disease. It denotes a particular kind of stupidity that negatively affects many aspects of life. People who are leftist are those who are mentally mature enough to do something to improve the world.

>>109984884
>unserious reply
>still didn't name it
lmao actual paid shill, or do you just do china and russia's work for free, or do you think your orders are coming from your political pundit organically lmaoo

>>109984860
You're waxing poetic because you have nothing to say
My life will be made worse if government increases taxes. Maybe if you were a working adult, you could understand this?

>>109984888
funnily enough all of this is indeed about shondo since everyone posts /here/ knowing she is reading it

>>109984882
https://www.mensvoicesireland.com/articles/the-mental-health-crisis-among-young-liberal-women/

>>109984915
>t. tax negative citizen who has benefitted from public services more than contributed
no... your money might go less to vtubers, 4chan, and your caloric surplus, to someone who actually needs it and contributes to making society better instead...

>>109984926
I really hope she doesn't because I can't think of a worse place for a schizophrenic to be

>>109984902
By increasing immigration to cause wages to stagnate and import crime?

>>109984959
I'm not tax negative, I've been working for 10 years.

>>109984915
No, those taxes you're pretending you have (as it's obviously that you're an American who is larping as something else) are one of the reasons people live in one of the best places on Earth. You're falling for grifters who parrot American libertarian nonsense in order to take away what people who live in developed countries currently take for granted.

>>109984961
she thinks she's invincible and has been having that taken advantage of for 4+ years now, as she admitted to doing so before she learned to just shut up about it finally, ironically it's her schizophrenia and other mental illness keeping her here along with not being able to do so responsibly lol stupid bitch will just seethe if you tell her anything about it though and go dick suck the yesmen grooming her instead, which is why we got here in the first place

>>109984991
sorry my bad, she's not dick sucking the yes men, she's totally just reaching her own conclusions and is invulnerable to the lies and influence for serious this time unlike the multiple other times she's wrote walls of text reflecting on how she wasn't and was misguided and what ever else she said the prompty ignored once it was vented

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>>109984986
I'm not American, you lying parasite

>>109985045
lmao holy poor, no wonder you're working for those chinese tokens tirdy

>>109985063
Do you want to try speaking English?

>>109985072
try learning it, native english speakers shouldn't dilute our refinement for your dunning kreuger textbook ass

>>109985096
You can't even use capital letters

>>109985022
>vented
sus

>>109984962
First, mass immigration is a neoliberal policy, not a leftist one. It's an attempt by capitalist countries to preserve their failing economic model for a bit longer.

Second, the idea that mass immigration causes wages to stagnate and crime rates to increase is neofascist nonsense. In reality, it delays the collapse of the middle class by increasing their wealth, and decreases crime rates worldwide.

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>>109985119
trvke'd

>>109985119
Sure, then show me the anti immigration leftists. No leftist party in my country supports reducing immigration while only the far-right ones do

>>109985119
The central bank over here openly admitted migration depresses wages

>>109985159
the far-right ones just switched their political beliefs and used the left as a scapegoat same as the far-right ones in the US and trumpism
>>109985183
after who got in power lmao, governments never lie

>>109985022
Haven't watched her for long and I got that kind of "thinks she's invincible" impression though I wouldn't put it that cynically just her trying not to let it hold her back only to screw up because of it. I hope things like therapy or visiting friends in person can actually help

>>109985202
Show me the anti immigration leftists

>>109985236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8

>>109985202
Again, I'm not a Yank. What would our Central Bank have to do with our government considering neither big parties ran on an anti immigration platform?

>>109985236
same
unfortunately it has in some ways and hasn't in others, she's got worse in some ways but that was also after her mother passed and she's improved a lot but she's gotten even more stubborn too which just makes the beta orbiter strat work better on her and the actual confrontational therapeudic strat work worse so... i would be more hopeful if it hadn't been years and if things hadn't got worse in some ways and if time wasn't already running out. it's not hopeless but until she makes a turn off this road again it is

>>109984600
The guy who said it has been posting complaining about the far-right for the last hour

>>109985272
me

To be clear:
- Inviting people to try to salvage the economy is a right-wing, neoliberal policy, which is what happened in countries with an "immigration crisis" narrative.

- Allowing people to live wherever they want with the same rights as everyone else is a leftist policy.

- Believing in the "immigration crisis" narrative, thinking that immigrants are a threat to the nations's economy or security is a far-right, neo-fascist stance.

>>109985437
your a tankie

>>109985464
nope, i hate them, also you're* a tirdy

>>109985437
If you think immigrants aren't depressing wages or causing crime, why do you personally oppose it? Also how do you justify then voting for parties who openly admit to wanting more immigration?

>>109985553
even the left in america doesn't want more immigration lmao it was the trump rightoids who declined border and immigration reform bills when biden was in office so they could win the election, with power only available to them because their minority is overrepresented in politics here lool

>>109985580
rightoid raped lol

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>>109985635
rightoids love being raped along with their whyte womyn by their muslim conservative brorthers mashallah

>>109985553
Immigration is nowhere near as important matter as you've been led to believe.

>>109985580
Joe Biden was a right-wing president from a right-wing political party, and the only reason they opposed immigration was because the far-right populist narrative pushed by propaganda supporting the Republican party had become so ingrained in the psyche of the citizenry that they had no choice but to follow it.

how does she still have viewers, are you guys real?

this entire thread should be banned for offtopic

>>109985446
Basically conservatives don't understand economics, leftists ignore reality and the far right is correct

>>109985580
And yet no leftist will run on an anti immigration policy. Notice you have to immediately deflect

>>109985687
Demographics are literally the future. Just because America is a mixed raced shithole, doesn't mean the rest of us need to follow

>>109985780
literally one of the biggest campaign points on the left was immigration reform in the US

>>109985662
inis is kind of body mogging here but i have an intense desire to tear up my wife shondo's cunt far more than any lust might weigh on me with her bitches holes pictured

>>109985855
time and get checked, sage statvs

>>109985761
Conservatives don't understand anything, the far right purposely detaches itself from reality, and leftists are left to clean up all the mess the other people make.

>>109985878
this but unironically, the left is the one keeping the country afloat whilst still having to deal with rightoid shit flinging and monkey screeching

>>109985878
>>109985888
conservatives literally don't even run their governance they just do entertainment and grifting now and let the left do the actual work for them lmao sad but true, they're like chinese and russian drones the adults are left to babysit at this point

>>109985810
And yet immigration only seems to be going up, sanctuary cities are leftists, etc etc
Unless that reform also includes deportations, it's worthless