>>110061930
No Gura, no watch

>>110061930
GRIM

Note that this is the worst online performance of a Fes after 2020. So it's either
>Hololive is dying
>if Nijisanji is also experiencing similar big declines for their flagship events, vtubing itself is dying

>>110061930
>chuubas graduate
>fans leave

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>>110061930
Don't worry, reclining isn't so bad after all

>recline

>>110061930
holofans getting married / having kids

>>110062195
this, the hobby is going down the pisser

>>110061930
Casuals are getting filtered out, which doesn't actually affect their bottom line at all. Ideally they don't want anyone who only consumes the free content.

>>110061930
There's probably a minor hit from graduated members, but I also think it's stagnation. Vtubing isn't really growing in the way a lot of people thought it would, it's not that much different or more innovative than it was during covid (Hololive/corpo vtubing being the place where this is most apparent/damning), but I think you can ultimately tie the decline back to Cover going public. I think some individual members are doing cool stuff but as a whole everything is kinda boring now.

>>110062573
Yet they still grasp for casuals and real fans suffer for it. Idk about you but in almost a decade I would think we'd have an official game, anime, or something really neat only possible through vtubing that I'm not creative enough to come up with.

>Spend half your time shilling product and cross-promotion products
>Wonder why people stop watching

>>110062195
they don't read my messages, that's why they're going down

>>110061930
>Shion gone
>Mumei gone
>Gura gone
>Ao gone
>Haachama mistreated
>Kanata gone
Yeah, what could possibly caused the decline of Hololive?

>>110061930
I think it's mostly the new age verification system that YouTube has implemented which is heavily culling vtuber numbers. Holofes lost almost 50% of their viewer numbers but so did the EN anniversary lives. Many EN vtuber corpos are botting like crazy since they all started to have a large drop in numbers since the middle of 2025.

>>110063028
The graduations definitely caused some of the decline but there is no way that it caused a 50% decrease in Holofes viewers. If anything casual fans are less affected by graduations than dedicated fans.

>>110061930
Nimi's LLD

>>110063294
Age verification isn't playing a role here, as these streams can be watched even when not logged into an account.

>>110061930
vtuber concerts have always been cringe asf. 50K is still a lot for this cringeshit

>>110063294
gura was 50% of hololive

>>110061930
>There are less broke gang and more people buying tickets now
>This is somehow bad for Hololive

>>110063567
Proof?

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>>110063507
>the 50%

>>110063567
Proof next thread?
+50k people somehow all turned into paying customers?
Yet the casual viewers remain the same?

>>110062674
What does any of that have to do with vtubing. They have tons of games and what's the point of an anime without them being the voice actors, at which point they already have that too and many official manga.

>>110062195
It really feels like the magic's just shattered on every front no matter who you're a fan of.
>Hololive
Lot's of people have graduated, constantly shilling more merch and sponsors, and even A-Chan made a video showing how the magic faded from the company over time as it went public
>Nijisanji
Too many fucking yabs to mention
>VShojo
A charity fraud corpo that's gone now. Some of the bigger members aren't even friends anymore
>Big Indies
Many big friendships have broken apart and more infighting than they used to have. Everyone has gotten comfortable with collabing within their own little bubbles
>Phase
Also has infighting and the company publicly turned against one of their girls because of some controversy. Clara got harassed out of the company.

Nobody fucking streams. Streams build up the fanbase. Marine only sold 5k streaming tickets when she used to sell 10k+

Hololive won't starve obviously but they've taken their fanbase for granted for years.

>>110061930
No Gura no watch

>>110061930
Do you think Cover is going to downsize holofes next year due to poor attendance? Pretty likely, eh?

>>110061930
No Sakamata no watch

>>110063599
>>110063755
>Proof next thread?
No, proof in next quarterly report

>>110064159
No, because the venue was still a success. It's mostly casual fans/tourists who are moving on. (the people who may spend an hour or so watching online, but never dedicate the time to go to events in person)

The pirate link had 3.2k people watching which is more than what Niji and Phase can get on their actual legal streams.

300,000 preregisters should tell you to learn your fucking place

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>>110064204
Which reminds me
>Dawn Of The First Day
>72 Hours Remain

>>110063755
>>110063599
SPWN streams on Day 2 got datamined and showed around 22K+ more views than last year each

>>110064347
trvke

>>110064466
>NijiEN
No one cares about the dying EN vtubing scene. We are talking about JP here

>>110064488
Proof?

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>>110061981
>>110062064
>>110062218
>>110063028
>>110064032
>>110064191

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>>110062718
I'd rather watch indies who don't stream and tweet out merch while charging utterly ludicrous prices

>>110064532
Also failed consensus and their stock went down the drain because of it.

There is only one 5view remaining in the entire company, Lulu redebuted to a gajllion "people" and now her average is 2k.

>>110064569
>holo vs mint
She's made it mintbros

>>110064569
>Corpo slop that literally uses ai to create their assets and stages
vs
>indie passion project with actual heart and soul created with actual blood sweat and tears

>>110064569
>top - soulless
>bottom- sovl
this that the point you're trying to make here?

>>110064569
OH THEY ARE MAD

>>110064810
yeah, holofags are so mad they use the equivalent of comparing McDonald's to a local dinner lmao

>>110064722
You lost, cuck.

>>110064846
Sabacucks really thought they could shit on hololive and nobody would shit on them back

>>110064846
Well you're getting nothing else but the local dinner with spit either way

>>110064786
As a chumbud I unironically think Autofister embodies the spirit of EN and has kept it alive

>>110064878
>>110064879
>he pulled out a second device
lmao, and you claim that it's us that is seething

>>110064950
>Everyone who doesn't like you is the same person
Do sabakeks really?

>>110064912
Autofister streams like 6 times a year and its mostly during fes/afo when they gather irl.

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>>110064623
>Lulu redebuted to a gajllion "people" and now her average is 2k.
Why do holofags lie so much? It's true that she had two unpopular streams, but her numbers still have been going strong.

>>110065009
They have collabed 131 times, nigga.

>>110064968
>everyone who doesn't like you is a sabakek
do holoSEAs really?

>>110065027
Funny that sounds just like what a seething sabakek would say

>>110065009
>>110064912
Autofister isn't even real, it's just a corporate pairing made to increase merch sells of both CC/GG though mainly CC.

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>>110065012
You're shitposting on a dead board please stop embarrassing yourself

>>110065065
see I told you it's a sabakek

>>110061930
Hololive has felt boring since around 2022/2023. It's no longer about a ragtag group of girls trying to build up an industry through their own hard work and determination. It's now about a large group with massive resources looking to extract as much profit as they can from their fans. There is no more "idol journey" in Hololive, there's no need to strive to prove yourself. You get in, you get instant fame, fortune, resources, and support, and then you just coast. There's nothing new to look forward to anymore. It's just so boring.

>>110065077
>Streamed late into the night so the algorithm sent more late night viewers into her stream
Don't see what's wrong. If that's "botted" you might as well say most of big vtubers are "botted"

>>110061930
>50% popularity decline
Holy shit, I didn't expect it to be this bad. I guess the memes about Gura were true after all.

Sabakeks are REALLY mad that Hololive is doing just fine without her. This thread is dripping with seethe lol

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>>110061930
>50% drop in a year
if this trend continues, get ready for the 2030 Holofes to look like this before they cancel it and it never happens again

>>110064569
All I’m seeing here is Mint’s jazz show mogging Holofes in the SOVL department

>>110066188
soul is the "I'm having a blast" of /vt/

>>110066188
True. Educated white folks prefer the bottom while bugmen prefer the top.

>>110066287
>I'M HAVING A BLAST

OH HE IS MAD

>>110066216
>>110066301
What are you on about?

>>110066352
It's a /v/ thing

>>110066413
>/v/fags trying to sow discourse and tribalism in /vt/
can't say im surprised

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Can't believe Gura was 50% of hololive. Without her they're nothing. Look at this shit! FES is desolate, deserted, empty. She was EVERYTHING. Gura truly was the only thing keeping holo relevant...damn. Crazy shit nigga

This event is losing its charm and year after year has become more corporate, formulaic, and sterile.
>Expo streams are direct shilling or indirect shilling, with holos playing the "new product"
>The super aggressive push of merch and sales makes the whole weekend feel less about celebrating what fans love and more about getting a pay out. They're literally selling a $20 box. It's fucking pathetic.
>Fes stages follow clear patterns and formulas in their production.
>Most of the setlist is safe selections of Cover owned music and it's less about surprising fans with strange and unique sets which include third party covers.
>Everyone knows this event is pre-recorded, the illusion and ambiguity of the past is gone. No one is really pushing the cope of it being live.
>The creator stages are gone.
>The stages are still happening in shitty ass makuhari with the flat floor which gives people tons of terrible seats. Maybe it's time to separate Expo and Fes to move it into a proper arena venue to give people a better show?
>The AV/stream/quality of fes is stagnating. Models still look jaggy, streams have artifacting, camera work is still ASS with constant shitty shots of the crowd or fucked up zoom/angles, the stage is always very simple and no where near as unique and decorative as during 3D/sololive performances. They charge the same price but nothing is improving.

At this point I know I'm buying a ticket just to support my oshi(s) more than being interested in the event because it's so dialed in by Cover. And that's really sad to think about. Yeah, sure, I had fun. But I could've had an amazing time.

>>110061930
The very japanese problem of them sticking to one thing and ONLY one thing in the same style with no variation because "that's how it has always been" so it's boring. Not to mention expensive. Lack of proper variety and the economy being shit. It's probably why even "holoEN" is more enticed to pander to JP since the JP audience are the ones that are most "loyal" AKA they're ok with the repetitiveness of it all.

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>"""Corpo/sterile"""
>"""No SOVL"""
>Straight up delusions/gaslighting
Literally a thread for losers trying to cope with the fact all the graduations barely made a dent and Gura wasn't the main character of hololive. Stay ass-blasted kek

>>110061930
>miko clique stage gets the least viewers

>>110067151
>trying to cope with the fact all the graduations barely made a dent
Literally a 50% decrease in livestream viewership

>>110067220
They were at the venue instead

corpo shit is just dying a slow death, especially the corpos that are owned by the japanese

Man nijisisters just refuse to understand that viewership was split between 4 stages this year huh.

>>110067312
The venue does not fit 50k+

>>110067387
The stages do not overlap, so there is no viewership split.

>>110067484
>People don't go to see/buy online tickets for their favorites.

That aside the fes stages were all at max capacity, so it doesn't matter what some mad nijisister thinks.

>>110067575
>People don't go to see/buy online tickets for their favorites.
People did the same thing last year. Doesn't explain the 50% viewership drop.

I'm not gonna suggest any cause nor solution, because I haven't watched Holo since 2023. But it's telling that the indies I follow, some of which are/were huge Holofags, have made no mention of the big annual event. Years past, there would be live tweeting, in some cases watchalongs. This year I wouldn't even know it was happening if I didn't scroll the catalog.

>>110067644
Considering there were 50% more holofes attendees this year I think I know what happened.

Who is more delusional? Maranthonfags with the low steam CCU or holofags denying their decline of Holofes on CCV?

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Nijisisters are desperately trying to divert your attention from this.

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>>110066675

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>>110067743
This is the decline Nijisisters are talking about.

Look how few people there are compared to nijifest, its basically empty.

>>110067220
>livestream viewership
You can't be this retarded right? Surely you're just meme-ing?

>>110067813
It shows nobody cares about Hololive anymore, they're not even watching your concert

>>110067735
>using CCV as a metric
Anon....

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>>110067840
yeah man, look at how many people aren't there.

>>110067840
>continues ignoring all the actual proof in the thread
Whatever keeps you from offing yourself chumkek

>>110067901
the numbers are objective and speak for themselves, a photo of a crowd won't change the fact that hololive is in decline

>>110067884
Oh, holofags are moving away from their most beloved metric now? Reminds me of the last time you did a 180 on superchats after Rushia was terminated and promptly replaced at the top by the faggot from Luxiem.

>>110067965
>the fact
Is this "fact" in the room with us right now kanicuck?

>>110067715
The venue does not have the capacity to support an additional 50k+ people

>>110067995
it's literally in the image OP posted you absolute retard

>>110068021
>CCV "proof" again, the most unreliable statistic imaginable
You have to be genuinely retarded to treat CCV as a proof of decline. Your skull must be caved in

Anyone that posts after me will cause their mother to die this year

>>110061930
no streams
i dont care about some random woman if they dont have any presence outside of announcing merch and a silly concert once a year

>>110068065
>ermmm that proof doesn't count because ....... IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY

>>110068065
sure, and there is no war in ba sing se

>>110067965
The numbers seem to imply they decided to show up there in that crowd instead.

I also want you to explain to me how a full stage is a decline, cause I don't think I'm smart enough to comprehend that.

>>110068090
I have immunity cat, its cool.

>>110068155
>The numbers seem to imply they decided to show up there in that crowd instead.
Statistically impossible.
The stages last year had a capacity of 16k. The stages this year had a 18k capacity.
The stages last year had 100k+ ccv on the livestreams. The stages this year had ~50k on the livestreams.
Where did the other 48k people go?

>>110068125
Pretty much this

>>110068155
>if number go down then why big crowd in photo
Literal caveman fucking mentality, can i genuinely ask for your IQ? You're like the retards that claimed trump's election in 2020 was rigged because he had a big crowd in his rally

>>110068207
To the 3 event halls that can hold 18k each.

that's 54k total capacity.

>>110068421
>Can't explain why if number go down attendances go up and has to result to ad hominems.

>>110068207
>>110064488

>>110064488
>>110064538

>>110063294
>dedicated fans
of what? hololive has no dedicated fans, only fans of particular vtubers, and if they leave hololive then their fans go with them

>>110062573
Cope.

>>110071800
aaaaaaaaaahahahahahh holy shit the delusion
good luck trying to reconcile this nonsense with the antibody reaction when someone mentions "problems with management"
you can't have it both ways

>>110063924
>Clara was held accountable for being a gravedancer
not sure why you put this in the list of bad things

>>110065793
it's not doing just fine independent of an irrelevant indie's status
see how tribalism hurts your argument, holodrone?

>>110066675
noticing the idol cultists aren't swarming this one, is it because they actually know what they're talking about and aren't low hanging fruit for logical fallacies to hang gotchas on?

>>110067151
please form a rebuttal to >>110061930

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>>110067743
holofes literally getting mog by KING roru

>>110067901
they are in the same place like last year so there's no change in attendant number, only the livestream's CCV mysteriously disappeared

>>110071912
>You're a gravedancer for pointing out the objective fact that the guy was killed in such a way that he himself was very outspokenly approving of
Why the fuck are you nutjobs always so fucking retarded?

>>110072004
>>110072052
I'm surprised people even watched any of the preshow shite, it's all in JP and it's con stuff that's only really interesting if you're there.

I can say being at a medium-sized con this weekend in the west, the Hololive and vtuber presence in general was down quite a bit. Less cosplay, less fan merch, less fan merch recognition, and less art/goods in the artist alley.

>>110061930
yet there were more people on the event itself. Curious, isnt it? Almost like people cant do both..

>>110072100
Yeah they were held in hall 1, they people that didn't buy streaming tickets went in person and filled up hall 2 and 3.

Live stream viewers decided it'd be cool to show up at the actual event.

>>110072004
People already did >>110064488 >>110068566
Less free viewers, more paid viewers and attendance at the physical venue

>>110072804
the floorspace at the event is fixed and didn't change.

>>110061930
there is also one important thing - songs become worse with every year so of course nobody want to even open vods

>>110073033
Untrue. Last year used Hall 9-11 for ~18K sqm. This year used Hall 1-3 for ~21K sqm. That's an extra 3K sqm

>>110061930
kanicuck deflection thread

>>110073232
cope and seethe idol cultist

>>110068566
Retard.
Last year, the concerts were held in Halls 9-11, which when combined have a capacity of 16k.
This year, the concerts were held in Halls 1-3, which are only ~12% larger than halls 9-11, so they have a total capacity of 18k.
There are 48k people still missing.

>>110061930
>touhou
>fate
>kancolle
>hololive
What will be the next weeb generational fad?

>>110061930
Too many stages. Didn't bother watching the entire event because it's just too much, focused on the one with my oshi and ignored the rest.

>>110074318
Umamusume

>>110074318
Blue Archive

>>110071982
It's because no one really cares about actual feedback they just want to use fes as a thing to bitch about saba, niji, whatever. I don't care about all of that. I actually miss the charm and soul of prior fes. It had scuff elements but for the time period, I felt they were doing their best. But now it's years later and they've not really improved anything. I really think they should move fes to a better venue and leave expo as a convention. But I'm 100% sure no one gives a fuck about expo without fes because it's just a giant advertisement event. Even the "monitoring" segments where you might have your oshi on the big screen talking to the crowd aren't streamed. It shows how they care more about making sure streams are allocated to products and not fan activities. It's annoying to see all this because I get the feeling Cover is going to be too late to fix things before they lose too much.

>>110061930
Gura, Mumei, and Fauna was traded for shit tier performers like Shiori, ERB, and CC

Here's the actual reason:
Last year, Nijifes was held at the end of February, while Holofes was held in March.
The Nijifes concert streams topped out at 85k ccv.
Hololive didn't want to lose, so they botted their streams to 100k.
This year, Nijifes isn't being held until May, so there will be much less direct comparison, and less reason to bot.

>>110074230
And each hall holds 18k. They are also not separated, it is one big room. The 48k people are right there being amazing.

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interesting copes itt but consider exhibit A

the thing is vtubing is obviously in huge decline for the last few years
there is a reason why for example Ado become flesh(and yes, she was basically a vtuber)

>>110076557
>And each hall holds 18k
Nope, 18k total for all 3 halls.

>>110076926
What does that red text say?

>>110061930
fes is fucking cancer. i don't give a shit about it. just stream you useless whores.

>>110066457
>tribal faggot whines about tribalism
you are insufferable

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>>110067151
>wotagei not allowed
>mosh not allowed
>recordings not allowed
>just stand and wave your penlights
>""""large concerts are more intimate actually""""
Yawn

>>110079578
Turns out that bigger events (both in size and attendance) can't ignore the safety meassures.

>>110072052
Who would win?
>The entire combined effort of dozens of holowhores across all branches during their biggest event + countless of bots
or
>Some funny guy goofing around
The answer will baffle, confuse and make you cum

>>110062533
probably a good thing tbdesu, i want tourists to leave

>>110063424
>Age verification isn't playing a role here, as these streams can be watched even when not logged into an account.
The issue has been whether those viewers are counted the same way. Either half of the Holofes viewers simply vanished in a year or YouTube accounts that aren't age verified are being counted differently (as less than 1 viewer). The casual vtuber fans that never bother with a verified account would explain the huge drop in numbers for both Hololive and Nijisanji.

>>110082079
Occam's razor isn't with you on this one.

>>110072520
Good riddance. The obsession over these mediocre whores needs to stop

>>110082490
No one cares about your whore(s) either.

>>110077937
Alright faggot if you want to be pedantic we can play with numbers.

Assuming cover is retarded and did not have 3 halls, which I give you is plausible cause cover, lets assume you're right somehow and it was just a 18k capacity hall.

Assuming each stage sold out, which they did, that's 18k for each stage over a total of 4 stages, that's 72k, so that's 18k people each day.

Assuming we use the average instead of the max number of stream watchers:

day 1 would be 42k viewers + 18k attending = 60k
day 2 would be 31k viewers +18k attending =
49k
day 3 would be 35k viewers+ 18k attending =
53k
day 4 would be 34k viewers +18k attending =
52k

Just because these numbers are split up, does not make them just go away no matter what your feelings say, so over the course of all 4 days there were 214k stream tickets and 72k physical tickets sold.

Which means that 48k you keep bringing up was either mixed into that 214k streaming tickets sold or were one of the 72k physical tickets sold over the course of the weekend.

>>110083791
>Assuming cover is retarded and did not have 3 halls
They had 3 halls both last year and this year.
Last year they were in Halls 9-11, which have a combined capacity of 16k
This year they were in Halls 1-3, which combined have a ~12% higher capacity than 9-11, so 18k.
That is only a 2k capacity increase since last year.
And yet, the livestreams are down 50%, from 100k to 50k.

>>110083791
nta but you do realize Holofes was only 3 days, right?

>>110084048
I know, its plausible you have people show up for one stage and leave after another to make room for others.

>>110083932
That 50k of yours is mixed into the 72k attendees, or one of the 214k streaming tickets.

>>110084113
>I know, its plausible you have people show up for one stage and leave after another to make room for others.
not my point. you're saying holofes was 4 days long, when it was only 3.

>>110084184
Replace day with stage then, it still doesn't change the numbers.

>>110076926
This confirms Hololive declined 50% while Niji inclined almost 80%.
Hololive fans are literally leaving and watching Nijisanji instead.

>>110084184
In fact 72k attendees and 214k streaming tickets over the course of 3 days sort of shows you have even less of a point lol.

So why did holo lost 50% of it's casual viewers?

>>110066675
You deserve to watch magical mirai for the eternity of your biological life

>>110084692
Why is half this thread you bumping it from page 10?

>>110084692
Black company. Simple as.

>>110083791
So here's the funny part: there were actually 4 stages last year as well. OP just didn't include it in the image because it was not a numbered stage.
Between Stages 2 & 3, there was another stage named "Creator's Stage". It was named differently because it was all original Hololive songs, not a mix of originals & covers like the other stages are. It was functionally the same as the other stages (choreographed 3D performances by Hololive talents).
The Creator's Stage peaked at 87k ccv, which while not the 100k+ of the other stages, was still more than any of the stages from this year.
So in reality, the number of concert stages in 2025 and 2026 are the same (4 each), with 2026 having a slightly larger concert venue (Halls 9-11 vs Halls 1-3, about a 2k capacity increase).
And yet, livestream viewership is down from 100k+ to 50k, despite the number of stages being the same (4).

>>110086006
214k streaming tickets says you're wrong. Again, that 50k could've easily been part of the 74k physical ticket sales this year.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand other than it shits on your narrative, but that was never important to begin with.

>>110086939
>214k streaming tickets says you're wrong.
Show sources of last year's streaming ticket count vs this year's streaming ticket count.

>>110087002
There's no source because they repeatedly pull this shot out of their ass.
He is right that there was more space for people tp show up and they did have more in-person attendance, but it doesn't make up for the loss of general viewership from people who are casual fans or slightly interested who might get hooked. They don't do those free sections out of the kindness of their hearts like all the retards here act like they do. It's a hook put out to try and get last minute stream ticket buyers who feel left out of the fomo or hype.

>>110087002
Well you see anon, its the average number of viewers. That's a paid stage so the average is how many stick around after the free portion.

Which means that's 214k stream tickets this year, and 198k stream tickets last year, because believe it or not, that extra stage did make a difference.

>>110087213
A casual just wandering in to see what the expo about isn't going to go see the fes, because they probably wont care, and b the tickets were already sold out.

less viewers is good actually

>>110087429
Youtube is ONLY the free portion. There is no paid portion on Youtube, because the stream just ends.
There was no extra stage, because there were 4 stages last year as well.

>>110087429
Moreso people who have an inkling of what goes on and check in and like the energy. People spend stupid amounts of money to be 'in the moment', so I don't doubt that the free portions get more last minute sales than if they just didn't have any free portions on youtube.

>>110087556
Then that means you don't know shit about the actual streaming numbers, and I don't either so there's no way to actually argue about that.

But it was still confirmed tickets were sold out for each of the 4 stages so that 74k is still around being the bane of your argument.

>>110088684
>and I don't either
So you were lying about that 214k streaming ticket number?
>But it was still confirmed tickets were sold out for each of the 4 stages so that 74k is still around being the bane of your argument.
The 4 stages last year were all sold out as well, yet there were still 100k+ people watching the free streams on Youtube. But this year it was only 50k, a 50% decrease.

>>110088859
Because they decided to go show up to the fes as part of the 74k that you keep ignoring, but will still keep being part of.

Turns out you cant watch streams if you're there waving a penlight, amazing right?

>>110088908
And as you have been told multiple times, this year's venue was only marginally bigger than last year.
Let's look at the Stage 1s as an example.
Last year the venue had a capacity of 16k, with 100k+ watching the free Youtube stream. That's 116k+ for Stage 1 2026.
This year the venue had a capacity of 18k, with 50k watching the free Youtube stream. That's 68k for Stage 1 2026.
That's a pretty big difference. Almost 50k. Where did those 50k people go?

>>110089073
>Because they decided to go show up to the fes as part of the 74k that you keep ignoring, but will still keep being part of.

also

>Trying to use the drop in preview viewership as a argument.

Really? you're doing that?

>>110089476
74k - 68k is not 50k.
Where did the 50k viewers go?

>>110065793
You're obsessed with saba lilbro, there has been hololive anti threads long before she graduated.

>>110089516
> they decided to go show up to the fes as part of the 74k that you keep ignoring, but will still keep being part of.

>>110089814
Fes does not have the capacity to fit an extra 50k people. So where did they go?

>>110090040
They became part of the total 74k in person ticket holders.

Sisters really cannot understand totals can they?

>>110090141
A very small part it seems, as the venue did not have a +50k attendance compared to last year (because the venue physically cannot fit 50k+ more people). Lots of people are no longer being accounted for.

>>110090206
Okay let me explain it to you then.

18k max capacity right, there were maximum ticket sales since each of the 4 stages sold out.

If there are 4 stages with 18k attendees watching each of the stages and swapping out so a new batch of 18 attendees can take their place to watch the next stage, that would make more than 70k wouldn't it?

And isn't 70k more than 50k?

So your 50k still became part of the 70k attendees over the course of the 4 stages.

Also stop being obtuse faggot.

>>110064569
I'd rather watch Gura in a dive with 200 people than the trash that's left in hololive with 10k people

>>110064623
keep coping holokek, AC stock absolutely obliterates Covers

>>110071912
because it is. Love her or hate her, it's never good when doxxfags bully someone out of a company. You know every single member has dirt and stupid things their RM has said that would get them axed too.

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>>110067151
>barely made a dent
every EN concert for 2025 performed worse in numbers

>>110091160
No Gura, no watch

>>110091160
It's just the loss of the casual EN interest. JP is doing just fine, fans are buying virtual tickets, the EN casual audience that used to tune in just isn't anymore.

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>>110061930
No innovation, I'm still waiting for a live 360 stage. Won't happen if they only push for merch and promos.

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>>110090418
Okay. Cool. Anycolor has higher shareholder value than Cover.
Please explain how this benefits anyone other than the Anycolor shareholders.

I think this Niko situation has officially confirmed once and for all that this consistent drop-off in Youtube viewership for Hololive is either because of changes youtube made to how it counts viewers (boring explanation) or more likely, that all the dramafags and scumsuckers who never contributed a single cent have officially moved on since even drama like this has gotten no attention or views at all.

I only saw the fes trending once in these 3 days, what about (you)?

>>110076926
niji should spam a GTA server every 6 months

>>110064569
You know that both of them are exactly the same when you watch live, right? The ONLY difference is the amount of people, and the mobile camera making things look dynamic.

>>110096166
Another VCR GTA server is starting Mid March to Mid April so congrats Holofag, you got your wish

mmm acktually they got less viewers this year cause of watchalong, just like the new year stream few months ago

>>110061930
i don't see anything wrong with that

vtubing is declining rapidly. It captured a generation of ex-bronies, and now everyone's moving on. The next generation isn't interested.

Lots of big talents left
Other big talents have had rifts with their fans, eh Marine
People wanted to support the idol dreams of wagies and office ladies, not as eager to support already successful ex idol hires
People also not excited to see their earnest support wasted on holoearth, holostars, HLZNTL etc
Direction of the company is not exciting, moving from 3d lives and streaming which people enjoy to concerts and nonstop shilling
Deliberate attempts to change the culture and type of fans to be more nijisanji culture and direct partnerships with niji

>>110084340
Why wouldn't they?
Hololive used to be unique and they chose to make it more like niji
If you get niji either way, might as well watch the actual thing