>>110140735
>I'd like to see Holo interact with men more
An attitude and way of thinking thats completely beyond me. I would understand: "I would like [streamer I like 1] to collaborate with [streamer I like 2]", regardless of their agency/genders/language/whatever but no. "...with men", any men is fine apparently.

>>110140735
Weird. Why would anybody need to announce this? It's just begging for jilted "fans" to start whining once it inevitably happens again.

>>110141020
Matsuri is mentally ill

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phew

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>>110140735
Did the mittii scandal mindbreak her that badly?

>>110140735
why would Matsuri stop doing homocollabs? She's been doing them since forever.

>>110141750
needs to increase her income

>>110141020
>Weird. Why would anybody need to announce this?
She's mental ill and will prolly filp-flop

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>>110140735
Homos are free.

>>110140735
>Even Matsuri is bored of them
Unironically it's over for them

>>110141197
>3rnoul
lol, lmao

So is festival finally making the smart decision to become a grifter whore and farm her simps properly? Good for her, it's the best financial decision a woman can make.

>>110140735
Too late for this menhera to change her image lmao
Also what's with the need to announce it like this on public, what a way to make it weirder and make homobeggars charge at you on twitter

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>>110140735
>I'm done partying, I'm ready to settle now

>>110140735
>[self-produced collabs]
She will still do opposite-sex collabs if she gets an invite. Would this really attract unicorns?

>>110143958
Yes but now people will call them professional collabs and give them a pass.

>>110143958
she wants her sololive. that is why she sucks miko recently. she probably thinks its a do-or-die for her

>>110141750
She recently got married to (me) and no longer needs to play the field

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>>110140735
machuri... you finally found a boyfriend...? good for you!

>>110140735
I really don’t see the point in this move of hers, unicorns aren’t gonna flock back to a stained talent with a rap sheet as long as Matsuri’s and whatever big tent fans she has may decide to jump ship. Hell her Gen mate Aki is in the midst of a career renaissance with her male collabing and could easily be the new destination for spurned ex-Matsuri fans. Besides, Hololive fans have a long track record of not returning to older talents but rather jumping towards new gens if they DO decide to oshihen. This is like the 80 year old granny in the neighborhood letting all the men and boys in the neighborhood that she is open to dating again. No one is gonna be interested in going back to a Gen1 talent.

>>110140735
But who is the destined male she's doing the last collab with?

I love how unicorns are being blamed for a decision Matsuri made on her own that she had to state that's been part of her rebranding she's been slowly and surely committing to.

>>110142066
Wait. Is this real? What's the full context on this cause it seems hilariously mean spirited.

>>110145772
>Aki is in the midst of a career renaissance with her male collabing
Why are we lying

>>110146428
Literally no one wants matsuri. Back when she was in her lesbo phase all the girls kept complaining about how weird and uncomfortable her advances were, Luna got so sick of her shit that she nuked all of their collabs from her channel. Matsuri is destined to be forever alone.

>>110141020
Literally for attention.
She's pretty much irrelevant in and outside of Hololive.
>Has to ask steamer server organizers for an invitation instead of automatically being invited.
>"Her" concert didn't sell out this year when it always used to.
>Menhera incident after the last Apex Vsai.

>>110146597
Concert?

Mega based festival cares so much about her fans she openly tells them when they should and shouldn't tune into her channel. And she doesn't give a single shit about twitterfags who may get upset over it. That's true love for her fans. She's just a free spirit.

>>110146760
rm stuff

It's a good decision

>>110140913
>"...with men", any men is fine apparently.
It's either a misguided assumption that men collabs would increase female audience or they just want to own unicorn chuds. Or both.

>>110140913
It's only incomprehensible of you don't understand that it's them wanting to be cucked vicariously.

>>110146523
Is it a cultural thing? I mean, if she was all touchy feely with EN or ID would that have meant less drama for her?

>>110146428
I think Matsuri was doing her whole usual dirty joke thing and Astel pretty much told her to cut that shit out because she being was annoying.

Too little too late, they destroyed their brand, crying over bad numbers this FES is too obvious

>>110141020
pulling a reverse Kronii

>>110146846
it's way more than that, she just latches onto a person and behaves like an obsessed freak without actually caring about them

>>110146523
Matsuri has felt like a suspicious person to me.

Like, I get that she really likes lolis, but she’s so obsessed with them, that it honestly weirds me out. Like, it's to the point where all I know her for is her loli obsession. Basically every chuuba in Hololive is a lolicon, but they don't constantly bring it up in casual conversation and openly start thirsting on camera because who fucking does that? The only exception is when it’s for a bit, like when Fubuki got arrested by Subaru.

I stopped watching Matsuri after I saw that clip of her talking about how she gets excited her real little girls when she watches walking to school, and said that it's ok to look so long as she doesn't touch them. I've been trying to find that clip again, but YouTube search is so fucking shit, it keeps giving me completely irrelevant results. But I know it's out there.

This just proves that Luna is so much more based than I ever realized. It's also find it kinda hilarious that Luna actually a shit list, but she just seems way too sweet for that on the surface.

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>>110146428
They're just joking. Matsuri is known for terrorizing Holostars with her dirty jokes/innuendo, Astel gave her a taste of her own medicine with a flirty line or two and she immediately cowered away.

>>110147338
Oh that back and forth. Thanks for explaining.

>>110141020
Unicorns don't come back out of nowhere. Announcing your intention to dump males is the first step to heal your unicorns' horns

>>110147646
No self respecting unicorn would hop on the town bicycle just because she washed her nasty, cumstained pussy and called it "clean". She's tainted, and there's no going back.

>>110147810
Raora.

>>110147337
I mean Matulli also has her peeing fetish.

Also Luna was forged in the fires of NND and a literal Nijisanji bullying scandal, ofc she's not going to take it.

【Extremely good news】Hololive's Natsuiro Matsuri has announced that she will cease independent collaborations with the opposite sex starting from the end of this month. She emphasized that this is a personal choice and has nothing to do with company policy.

Before officially stopping collaborations with the opposite sex, there will be one final collaborative project, so please stay tuned.

>>110140735
Vtubing is healing? Holostars disbanded next? Male indies back into their small corners of irrelevance? I pray for complete sex pest eradication

>>110147337
Its a lot better than Marine admitting she tried to groom school kids into sex by giving them expensive gifts, or Kanata admitting to Flare live that she owns a photobook of an irl 13 year old idol and how much it excites her. Even Flare was stunlocked

My rrat is that cover gave up on the boys. Either their numbers are even worse than we know, or they are annoying enough that cover no longer wants to put up with them, but in any case they are getting less support, which includes less girls trying to save their numbers.

>>110148903
The shareholders might have finally forced Yagoo to stop pushing them.
They're probably still profitable, once the money from the girls stops being siphoned to them. Just... not very much.

>>110148903
Matsuri's decision probably has nothing to do with Holostars. If anything it lines up with that scandal she got into with Miitti in GTA if she's been talking about this for over a year. I noticed I saw a lot less of her in outside events since that happened too.

>>110147337
Women like little kids. That's why they become teachers, daycare workers, nannies etc. It's not shocking.

>>110149171
Pedo spotted

>>110140735
should've watched niji instead if they wanted malecollabs
if you look at the subs count, you can clearly see that collabing with male chuubas and streamers stagnates the female chuubas' growth
that's just how it is.
fans don't wanna be cucks watching their oshi flirts with males on and off streams

>>110140735
Based, total homofaggots and homobaggars death

>>110149061
The boys make enough that some can move from SEA (I have no idea where Hakka is from) to Tokyo. So I'd say they are about ID level, at least Anya and Zeta level.

At the same time, we have no idea how their contract with cover is. We know they play by different rules in some aspects (ie different perms iirc) but from this it's impossible to speculate their cut with cover. They also have a far smaller team, from what I can deduce from the outside. Like 8-10 people work as managers for holostars en as a whole which is probably about how many people work on a single EN gen, if my assumption of gen managers being a thing is real.
At the same time, they seem to have far less reach, far less sponsors, and so on than the girls. Like, OTAKU went with advent and justice, despite being (apparently) more of a female aimed site. I say this because they sell Honey Lemon Soda stuff and your average male otaku has never heard of it before.

In conclusion, I think financially the boys are sustainable and won't be cut, but they are also not enough for a company that wants to be more than streamers, and them not being enough gets more and more evident as holo focus more and more on the idol/mindshare model.

>>110149328
>Hakka
I thought he was Mexican or some shit

>>110149440
Just checked his pl's twitter, apparently he's honduran.

>>110146846
Anon, Matsuri literally kissing Ollie when they met
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACVnxDj1Jwo

>>110149141
I'm thinking the same thing. Matsuri didn't get in trouble with management, but it was obvious people were avoiding her after that.

>>110146428
It's just banter.
Matsuri often makes very dirty jokes and tries to push people out of their comfort zone just in general. With the Homos that often took the form of her jokingly flirting and sexually harassing them.
Astel is one of the few that is actually able to fire back by treating her like a desperate cheap woman that nobody wants. It's all in good fun.

>>110149516
Ollie lied

It's kinda hard to trust girls even when they are unicorn friendly, reminder that the biggest GFE Hololive had had a boyfriend she cucked, and then cucked that guy before going on a menhera path.
Matsuri could be doing this to appease Unicorn fans, but to do it this late in her career makes you wonder why when she had multiple chances before.
My guess is she got a boyfriend or husband and he asked her to stop, that or this is a soft way of telling us Stars is dying for not making profit and the girls girls who commonly collab with men are gonna be doing this as a soft way to tell us the branch is gonna die later this year.

Based Matsuri, male vtuber and Homofan are toxic

>>110149939
You don't watch Matsuri nor know anything about her. She's been very open about topics like this since the very start.

>>110149968
Why would I watch whores who collab with men?

>>110149939
bro she literally just had one of her bimonthly menhera crash outs about how disgusting she is and how nobody will ever love her and massively lashed out at her fans again for trying to calm her down with shit like "it's the inside that counts" there is no fucking way she has a boyfriend

>>110140735
>violently defending the company
man cover corp really got the girls shook over there. There's definitely a big graduation coming soon and they're quickly trying to stomp out the "black company" claims before they even happen.

>>110150004
Who is your oshi?

>>110150053
Fuwamoco

>>110150077
I can guarantee you have never watched fuwamoco for a single second in your life. Now go ahead and post that image you do where theres 45 results in the archive all different people pretending to be fuwamoco fans

>>110147337
Lunas like 40

>>110150090
And I can guarantee you have asked the question in bad faith hoping to concoct some gotcha situation.

>>110150566
Of course I do because I see your type of post every time and I know exactly how you will reply.

>>110146796
I hate the debate that happened about the cucking stuff with this because I feel like there is a legitimate angle of guys actually enjoying it on some level like this with seeing a guy who is more successful then them (assuming) getting close and hanging out with a women who would never give them the time of day.

Can she just like doing it in silence and not announcing it?

>>110150585
You can guess my reply exactly then:
Fuck off back to bluesky homobeggar
Surely you even have a witty retort prepared.

>>110149328
Being the same level as ID doesn't say much, consider ID is on 4th year without new gen

>>110146523
Matsuri was the one that started acting weird/avoidant with Luna after she started flirting back

>>110147810
This. Matsuri has been homocollabing since forever, idk what kind of stunt shes trying to pull but its not going to work.

>>110143868
kek

>>110141020
if she's trying to do some sort of rebrand it makes sense to announce it ahead of time
also when people notice that a chuuba who does tons of male collabs suddenly stopped they would've asked her about it and she would've to address it anyways, so might as well do it now

>>110150623
I can't blame her because I was once saved by some holoen's declaration that they wouldn't collaborate with homo

>>110150623
Matsuri has been Homo collabing on and off since debut, if she just stopped the majority of Holofans wouldn't even notice it and the small fraction that loves those collabs would continue pestering her for them.
It's best for her she's open about this.

>>110151151
Why acknowledge such a miniscule fraction then?

>>110151181
She's not, she's addressing the majority of Holofans that were turned off by her previous content but might give her a shot.

>>110151211
>the majority of Holofans that were turned off by her previous content
uh anon, her collabbing with males was not the reason people were turned off of her content

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>>110147337
>Like, I get that she really likes lolis, but she’s so obsessed with them, that it honestly weirds me out. Like, it's to the point where all I know her for is her loli obsession. Basically every chuuba in Hololive is a lolicon, but they don't constantly bring it up in casual conversation and openly start thirsting on camera because who fucking does that?
Reminded me of this kek

>>110140735
Will this impact the pissing?

>Marine sub 20k collab stream
Tough....

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in any case, sex with matsuri

>>110140735
I'm just so lost on why she's choosing to do this when she was one of the more open girls to collab with dudes, even had that GTA AV incident that got her in trouble with management
The boyfriend rrat don't make sense either, I guess maybe she's trying to get unicorns?

>>110151380
Her new year's resolution was literally to "do more gachikoi pandering and try to increase the number of unicorns".
She's always very open about what she wants her streams to be like, that's one of her biggest strengths.

>>110151416
I know that I'm just wondering why the change of heart, she didn't use to be so gung ho about getting that type of audience (admittedly i stopped watching her regularly a few years ago)

>>110151447
>she didn't use to be so gung ho about getting that type of audience
Hasn't she? She's always been extremely clingy and parasocial as fuck with her viewers despite the male collabs.

>>110140735
Total unicorn victory. Naturally this wont have any impact on her, since she is used goods by now, but it sends a message to anyone thinking about whoring out and betraying the idol concept.

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She's self aware at least

We won

Powdur's pussy belongs to black men and black men only.

>>110149141
Who's Miitti and what is the scandal?

>>110148862
By any chance, do you have any clips of this?

>>110149171
That's not the kind of cute Matsuri was talking about in that clip. Saying that it's ok to look so long as you don't touch them is confessing to something much darker.

>>110141750
have you seen the views of her recent music releases?

>>110153332
Festival keeps doing songs with her high-pitch cutesy voice. Sheh needs to get back to the kind of singing that attracted people to her in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNcnT8wBcdw

>>110153524
I like this cover of hers best
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TT6gTs2B1Uw

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>>110149440
lmao, he was living in New Mexico before moving to Japan.

>>110153068
Something that happen two years ago. Do your reps.

normalfags will stay silent when Miko is getting harassed by a bunch of antis but will rise up in indignation when Matsuri doesn't want to male collab anymore lol

>>110147810
Dude, Rushia or whatever the fuck she's called now still has fans
Unicorns have the memory of a goldfish

>>110140735
the day shiori and erb do this is the day holo en finally redeems itself

>>110141020
On the other hand I don't watch Stars.
On the other hand, if Matsuri feels she has to stop interacting with men to get more popular that's kinda depressing.

>>110149328
>The boys make enough that some can move from SEA
*daboiz are being paid enough to move into a shitty Tokyo apartment

And that's precisely the problem, they're being paid too much for what they bring to the table

guis, member the gta erp thing? when matsuri was fucking a guy LIVE on stream

>>110140735
>decides to collab with males
RESPECT HER COLLAB CHOICES, CHUD
>decides not to collab with males
NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS

>>110150585
BTFO
T
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>Doing this after all the male collab and moan for them

what the fuck are her end game

>>110140735
Kinda weird to announce an ending date for it
Like... just stop collabing with them
Why make it some kind of "after the 31st of the month I will no longer be..."
Just strange way to do it

>>110141020
She's just gonna piss both groups off further and alienate the people who thought she was a friend. Whatever she wants to decide is ultimately up to her though, just seems like a very late change to make.

>>110154952
ERB will slowly continue to do less and less with them as she continues to learn none of them care about music

>>110155164
Probably a roundabout way to shoo the homos expecting to land a collab away

>>110147337
It's the difference between "I like this" and "I want people to think that I like this".
You might actually like the thing, but the moment you also start to want others to see you as "the person who likes *thing*", you start acting the way you described.

>>110154596
Thank you for not answering my question. I don't watch Matsuri. That's why I asked.

>>110141020
Because she unironically probably got in to a relationship.
I don't care either way because I'm not a GFEtard, happy if she did or didn't and just wants to focus purely on her, but when someone who historically did this just suddenly decides to despite most of the company dropping it years ago, it sticks out like a sore thumb, just saying.
Same thing happened with Shondo when she suddenly did a 180 on that shit despite her being the one pushing her wife roleplay nonsense.
Doesn't bother me either way, but no doubt it will drive schizos insane kek

>>110147337
>Like, it's to the point where all I know her for is her loli obsession. Basically every chuuba in Hololive is a lolicon,
Anon the lolicon stuff is completely fake and it's no different than business yuri. JP fans mostly understand it's nothing but an illusion and it's only EN fans who take it at face value. Matsuri and Marine heavily lean into coombait but your not meant to believe it.

>>110149061
>The shareholders might have finally forced Yagoo to stop pushing them.
Yagoo will never give up on Holostars but he likely did have investors directly asking him to explain how HoloPro unity was helping with merch sales. He already made them angry with all the money he wasted on HoloEarth and it's noticeable that Hololive Dreams is only Hololive.

>>110153068
>>110158660
Mittii is a flesh streamer who likes to flirt with/sexually harass female vtubers, usually that's VSPO because he's in the same circles, but in a GTA server about 2 years ago, he and Matsuri roleplayed sex with their characters to make a video for money. mittii got banned on twitch for it, his viewers blamed Matsuri for it and harassed her, something something. She said Hololive didn't really get mad but they did warn her to be more careful.

>>110141020
So people can't speculate on it without looking retarded. You know how people are with this.

>>110154813
They probably secretly enjoy seeing Miko getting attacked, she's the antithesis to what they stand for

>>110153095
NTA but i have the clips
marine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3OGGvvZww
kanata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHaqI2MZFw

>>110156626
Except that no one outside of Hololive, both men and women want to collab with her.

>>110140735
Wouldn't surprise me if this had something to do with why long-time members have been leaving Hololive in droves, so presenting it as some sort of win is pure cope.

I remember when Kronii announced she would collab with whoever she wanted on twitter it was seen as something worth celebrating by the same crowd asking "why announce this? idiot!!!!"

>>110165703
God senchou is so fucking hot
I bet she actually did it and I just feel pure envy

>>110155034
>when Matsuri was fucking live
With a subhuman brain incapable of separating fiction from reality you should just rope
>still trying this bait 7 years in