Marine posted and instantly deleted a mambersonly post complaning about Cover management:>[Marine Rant: Not Something I Should Be Saying Out Loud, But I Can’t Help It]>Remember how we were talking about making a game for Marine that was a bit… well, a bit risqué?>We’ve officially been told it’s a no-go, but Marine proposed it a year ago, and it’s only just been decided now…>I really wish they’d made up their minds a bit quicker about whether it was possible or not…>We were planning to do it with 4 million tickets, but if it’s not possible, then we’d have come up with a different strategy… We’ve wasted a whole year…>Whatever we do takes ages, so I want to get moving as soon as possible, but why on earth did it take a year just to get confirmation?>Every time I checked in to see how things were going, it was always ‘We’re looking into it now’ or ‘We’re sorting things out so we can move forward’
Investors are NOT going to be happy when Marine leaves.
>>110495890bureaucracy is the death of productivity
Houshou Productions
>>110495890That seems a bit overly direct. Usually they have to vaguepost about that shit, I guess she saw it as you trashed my thing therefore it's no longer under NDA.
>>110495890she's next! tho honestly, VNs are just a waste of time and effort https://store.steampowered.com/search/?developer=ENTERGRAM%2CINC
>>110496247>he actually thinks retards buy a censored and delayed Steam version over the real game
>>110495890Marine OC gacha game cant outshine Hololive Dreams
None of her original content has been good. I'm glad they gave her a reality check.
>>110496061Corporate will be corporate. It doesn’t matter whether it is malicious. Their true collective nature will always be lazy, bloated and foolish.
>>110496426maribako was initially shot down by management and it eventually became the meta for vtuber music lol
fat cat already did it better
COVER is so damn slow with everything, perhaps the future is for more talent be like Suisei.
>>110495890Must be true, totally legit. Posted and deleted and only some cunt eyed brownoid that constantly refreshes her page 24/7 saw it.
>>110495890Thought this was some fake edit or old news but looked up Marine's recent tweets and welp...https://x.com/houshoumarine/status/2036052556171059328
>>110496569Do those alt twitter save deleted post?
>>110495890Yeah I'm thinking BLACK COMPANY
>>110496569It was saved by ichimin, you can find it wherever JP is discussed
>redditors immediately flood the thread to suck cover management's dicks
>>110496569Marine's own tweet and Ichimin responses here >>110496580 seem to line up with OP
>>110496735Are these redditors in the room with us right now?
>>110495890>>110496580TLDR, Marine had a woman moment>I often write out my grumbles but end up deleting them without posting>this time though I got too worked up and posted it anyway
Ah so it was just a woman moment, mkay. Hope it helps sisters to raise anycolor stocks price or merch sales
>>110495890time for her to split like Suisei split
>>110496435once a business gets big enough, it basically becomes a form of government.
>>110496781Look in a mirror.
>>110495890Several talents left Hololive because of disagreements it's not a shock that Marine had some complaints. Miko already mentioned that a talent will have "more freedom if you have a personal agency" and many talents want that. At the moment Suisei is the only talents with the financial leverage to make that dream into a reality but it reminds the rest of Hololive that management will sometimes ignore their requests for over a year. I doubt this will trigger more graduations but it does remind them that Haato wasn't wrong and some talents are more important than others.
>>110496580>I got so angryit's over
>>110496569You get emails whenever a members message is posted. The message is displayed in the email.
>>110495890Too many chefs in that damn kitchen. Yagoo clearly isn't the one making decisions anymore. Either he has too many middle managers underneath him, or he's a chickenshit asshole with no idea of how to lead his company.
Honestly sometimes I feel like it's better to be in a black company than incompetent one. At least in a black one you're already one foot out the door at all times. Hololive makes you hope and lets you down.
>>110496921fucking hell, marine, just vent into notepad, not a twitter post you can accidently post into the public
Why does it take an entire year for some manager to properly review her project concept and get back to say 'Marine, R18 isn't our target demographic'?
>>110495890She saw suisei and wants her own company too kek, women are jealousy creates
>We’ve officially been told it’s a no-go, but Marine proposed it a year ago, and it’s only just been decided now…This wouldn't be a problem if Marine had her own agency that's completely separate from Cover's legal oversight and that she calls all of the shots.
All that money spent on some suits that could have been spent on making that game
>>110495890NIJISEETHE
>>110497564You don't need to consult legal about whether or not a lewd VN is acceptable. This has incompetent management written all over and somehow people still fall for the gaslighting when talents tell them management isn't as bad as people rightly believe it to be.
>>110496061Yeah, they exist only to take away the fruit of labor
>>110497721I don't like Holo management as well but you sound like a socialist
Begging for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission. Just make the VN anyway and if they shitcan it then lay the blame on the management for being fuck ups and ensure Yagoo directly cops the shit from you as you throw the managers under the bus.Remember, most managers aren't human. It's morally justified to do them dirty in front of their boys.
>>110497659The question in all these situations is what was the incompetency, who is at fault. Not only do we have no idea, it's possible in cases like this the talent has no idea. All they know for sure (and we can surmise) is it's not management itself that's the problem despite what the retards like you pretend. In HoloEN for example there was an infamously hated high-up manager and some guy Cover hired for a while claimed his entire purpose as a hire was to try and force that shit manager out. It's reasonable to believe there are other individuals like that in Cover.
>>110496569>Brownie has no idea about notifications because he never once has subbed to a talent
>>110497468>year long project suddenly canceled>lol she's jealous of suiseifuck you
>>110495890Kurolive
>>110497928> BrownieSelf projecting shitskin doesn’t know difference between push and notifications and that it takes time to send and deliver push on device. If she posted and deleted in several minutes you’ll se nothing when you open xitter unless you terminally online retard and spending all your life there
>>1104958904 million tickets, for a game. What?Btw, COVER is lucky that she thinks that there's nothing better she could do outside of the company because if not she would have left at least 1 year ago.
>>110497871>multiple graduations in a one year spawn>talent taking break for mental health>another talent quitting for mental health reasons>biggest performer separates herself from main branch's management>Marine posting and then deleting a rant about management that implies severe incompetenceWhy do fags like you still defend management at this point? They are clearly the common denominator and make work more stressful for their talents than it needs to be. They suck, and by extension Yagoo sucks for not fixing this shit over a year ago when it all started. Marine stating now that her project was in limbo for the past year, means they didn't fix any of the management issues they've had.
>>110495890>do it with 4 million ticketsWhat did she mean with this
>>1104985494 million subs wish
>>110498491>Spending all your time thereClearly you've never looked at ANY Holo talent. They have droves of retards staring at their twitter for any signs of life to react to.
>>1104985494million tickets is a shitty AI translation because it has no context. It's referring to her 4mil sub wish.
At some point Holofans need to resdiscover they're here for their oshi and not a company. They're being NijiFans about these matters that are eroding their oshis.
this is especially shit because okayu clearly proved such a vn is possible
>>110498770FWMC are in real trouble for their 1m.
>>110498770And that horny cat is just as bad, if not more down bad than Marine
>>110496569>Doesn't think the screenshot>Immediately assumes the user is brownWhy are you people always like this?
>>110497028> I doubt this will trigger more graduations but it does remind them that Haato wasn't wrong and some talents are more important than others.I mean, if the bigger talents like Marine, Suisei, and Gura are/were getting fucked over too, doesn’t that mean there’s less favoritism at Cover?
>>110496014actually they might be. sexy marine is too much of a brand risk for nu hololive
>>110498805 (Me)>Doesn't think the screenshot *is legit
>>110497028>HaatoIf you want to talk about efficiency, then isn’t she an example of the problem Cover has?I mean, she had almost no leverage, being near the bottom in both sales and views, yet she still insisted on pushing her project to management, and they went ahead and processed it for her.Cover’s efficiency problem doesn’t stem from favoritism, but from a lack of it.
>>110498871Hopefully a reincarnated Marine wont have all her VODs with Ange deleted every other times. Those are the purest of Kino.
>>110498491On Android you can turn on a Notification History option that saves the history (duh) of recent notifications & their content, so even if a push gets rescinded, it'll still be in your notification history.Additionally, you can enable Email Notifications for membership posts, so as soon as a post is made it gets sent to your email, and Youtube can't go through and delete your emails.
>>110498825So in other words, management is so incompetent and inefficient, that they can't even support their top talents adequately to the point where one of them literally needed to create their own management agency just to be able to ever get shit done. What a great state for the company be in. At this rate, more pillars of the company will be leaving and Hololive will be officially gigafucked beyond saving. Do not forget that management wanted Korone to lie to her fans to boost HoloFes ticket sales before pulling the rug out from under them at the last second. Cover has been corrupted. Investors are the real parasite class. All they exist to do is suck up all the wealth and assets from the company, run into the ground with their greed and kill the workforce, run away with the bag while everyone at the company suffers, then jump onto to their next victim to do it again.
>>110498927cover made her delete ange collab vods?
Talents were easier to manage when all you had to do was give them a desktop, a phone, and tell them to play Minecraft for a few months.
>>110498742Hololive fan behave like Nijisister for a while anon.
>>110499163That was also when Hololive was the most fun.
>>110495890>Whatever we do takes ages, so I want to get moving as soon as possible, but why on earth did it take a year just to get confirmation?>Every time I checked in to see how things were going, it was always ‘We’re looking into it now’ or ‘We’re sorting things out so we can move forward’this is probably the exact reason why suisei made her own offshoot companyHololive has way too much bureaucracy now
>>110499163And that was golden age of Hololive anon some thing you can't recreate today and newfag never know how it feel.
Bureaucracy and management positions are the exact positions AI actually should kill.
>>110499286When everything so much more simple unlike now...
>>110499163Nah, there's money to be made! Playing Minecraft built the foundations of the company, but it's all about merch and sponsorships now
>>110495890holoUSA when?we don't have japanese perm autism here.
>>110499500Totally non leak policy and KPI kill Hololive.
>>110499538We had ENO or HoloMETH in the past.
>>110496014If marine leaves I'm going with her
>>110499455https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3EdEznm4k back when Hololive was an actual small family.
>>110499500Nobody prevent them to do that. In fact, some of them still play random games for hours almost every day.Then you should start questioning why your oshi stopped doing that, and why you still follow them if they don’t give you what you want.
>>110495890We've known since the leak of last year that she and Ina are next in line to graduate after Kanata, so don't be surprised if this kind of shit is what makes her finally leave.In any case, there’s not much left for her to achieve she’s already reached the peak of what Hololive can offer her, just like Suisei. But unlike Suisei, Marine doesn’t have the desire or the strength to start her own sub-company, honestly, she’d be much better off going indie; that way she could do whatever the fuck she wants without that retarded management breathing down her neck and putting a stop to everything she does
>>110499669Good old time... when Holobros still have brotherhood of Hololive and just loves another Vtubers.
>>110499669In the past, We are brother and comrade who just love different oshi.Today, We are stranger or enemy who just like vtuber who live in the same company.The sad state of Holobronies today....
>>110497418It wasn't post in twitter.
>>110497418>AccidentallyThey want fans to get upset for them so they can pressure management more.
>>110500124And it's fucking worse because of Marine's fan leaked her member post in here and want Marine had suffering because she dare to insult management...Yes... only Ichimin can leak this shit here...anon... even her fan become Marine enemy who want their oshi dead.
>>110500165this not work because Hololive fan are management fan first now. Marine will got living hell from management because of Ichimin leaked her member post...How the fuck it's turn out like this?
>>110495890Sorry marineWe only give preferential treatment to one talent
>>110497863You’re giving the nips a lot of credit if you think they’d take the initiative to go against their corporate masters’ wishes, especially since Marine is a former OL who would never go against what the bosses say
>>110500360ESLGOD
>>110497863They will punish you anon...pic related
>>110495890Japanese bureaucracy, heriarchy and chain of commands is so ass is actually impressive they managed to build successful companies
>>110495890She should pull a Suisei
>>110500506No, anon this is too ass even in JP standard. This shouldn't happen in the first place.
>>110497564Every Hololive talent should have their own separate agency
>>110496426It's not even about being shutdown, it's about taking a whole fucking year to let her know. That kind of shit is infuriating to all hells and back no matter what you do for a living.
>>110500621Studio
>>110499163>give them a desktopkek
>>110495890Marine's project was never going to fly to begin with. They aren’t going to make an eroge of a member and scare sponsors offThe only issue is that her manager or the management in general should’ve grown some balls and flat out told her "You can’t do it" instead of keeping it vague for 9 months hoping that she would give up on her own
>>110499500I mean, it's the talents that are picking up the sponsorships themselvesFor any sponsorship that isn't for a specific girl, they're put on a billboard where any holo can pick and choose fromA holo can just choose not to do any sponsorships, but they pay out good money so why wouldn't they
>>110500647Kek
>>110500637No I want Marine to hire ex-coworkers who are also horny hag otaku and do horny hag otaku things on stream.
more support and action for marines visions please, she doesnt deserve that,
>>110499050> one of them literally needed to create their own management agencyStudio Stellar was created by Cover and NERD was invested by Cover too
>>110500621Cover managed to keep Suisei by letting her have her own agency, but I feel like it opened a whole another can of worns. How many of the top girls can stomach watching Suisei just being able to do whatever she wants while they remain second tier Holos that just have to bend over to all of managements whims?
>>110499050>Do not forget that management wanted Korone to lie to her fans to boost HoloFes ticket sales before pulling the rug out from under them at the last secondQrd?
>>110500654> OkayuOk, next meme
>>110500761Okayu game was nowhere near an eroge. At most you might argue that there are some lewds moments / CGs, but that was it
>>110499721>We've known since the leak of last year that she and Ina are next in line to graduate after KanataThe VShojo leak was some indie vtuber who had inside knowledge on VShojo but they were only guessing that Kanata and Ina would be the next to leave Hololive. Kanata was an easy guess because she had health issues that were slowly getting worse and Ina was an obvious guess because she HATES the fact that she has the skimpiest default outfit in Hololive. That is barely a secret and any viewer that watched Ina during the early years had some idea of why she was so depressed and would frequently complain to viewers that she had horrible luck. She never yelled at fans to kill themselves but like Kronii you could tell that Ina didn't like it when fans complimented her design. Many indie vtuber likely have an idea of how Ina and Kronii actually feel about having the most sexualized designs in HoloEN especially if they have to deal with coomers. >>110500694Other talents are saying this will give Suisei more freedom it's not hard to imagine that many talents would like more freedom especially with Marine complaining about management the day after Studio Stellar was announced.
>>110500741Korone wanted to announce that she wouldn’t join the fes before ticket sales started, but management wanted to delay it.From her side, she didn’t want her fans to buy tickets knowing she wouldn’t participate.From management’s side, they could always offer refunds and probably hoped her situation would improve so she might change her mind.
>>110500741>Korone told management she would not be able to make it to Fes>Management told her to wait until right before Fes ticket sales announcement to announce it
>>110496165I don't think they can handle another "indie esque" special studio reveal.
>>110500669I also wish taso can hire extra manager who willing sigh the same NDAs with her and she will pay for them but she can't anon....
>>110499640she's already on her way out.
>>110500796> it's not hard to imagine that many talents would like more freedom especially with Marine complaining about management the day after Studio Stellar was announced.That’s true, but as Migo said just yesterday (or Koyori, I actually don’t quite recall) - many members would want that, but most don’t have as much influence and ambition as Suisei to pull it off
>>110500851Don’t think they give a fuck about stocks, especially when Asia market is all in shamble thanks to the orange man
>>110500904.........
>>110499721it doesn't seem like she wants to do much anymore, though.
>>110496061Japan corporate paralysis and work culture is the albatross around their necks. It was not obvious in the 60s-80s when the economy was expanding so rapidly and new high tech jobs were being added everywhere but once the rate of new opportunities turned into pure stagnation, the hierarchical structure they ensconce then freezes shit in place. People who have a precious actually-decent job will do anything to justify their own existence such as make up 100 reasons to deny Marine's game because that shows they were actually productive and doing market research (or so they claim) instead of just going "yeah that makes sense, next assignment." They do this because the alternative life outside Cover is the salaryman slop slog of "uhh wait until your boss retires, then one of his top 10 biggest asskisser underlings / drinking buddies for 20 years first -might- get that position" ...although Cover will get there too if it stops expanding, the trend fades and somehow they still stick around for like 30 more years because they bought some random propeties in New York or something and borrow against them to keep finding a way to make payroll until the managers can retire. That's Japanese mediocrity in action and why like half the big companies there still exist despite losing all competitive strategies decades ago.
>>110500654Sounds like Japanese suits alright.
>>110495890That doesn't sound good
>>110501012Japanese are like that period, giving vague yesn't type answers and expecting you to be able to decipher the meaning from the tone of how they said it. If they said "maybe but it's difficult" in a tone that sounds like they are telling you your grandma died, they fully expect you to pick up that that is a polite hard no. Obviously marine would get that but if the manager told her "maybe" over an email the usual shenanigans there don't work as clearly.We know EN girls were annoyed as fucking hell by this shit but that was to be expected they don't get Japanese vagueposting literally being their standard, and they think only an absolute clinical retard would have to be told a direct answer and hence think it's rude to actually-do. So we know Cover is full of this shit. And Peko also got some huge projects shot down too in the past etc. I wonder how many projects HoloEarth accidentally killed just by its existence sucking up so much resources.
>>110498742They'd know if they largely didn't bandwagon the popular ones. They're not used to their oshis getting shortsticked. You want to know what some Rosetai call such occasions? TUESDAY.>>110498924Didn't that project go nowhere thus her crash out? If anything the Fuckers in suits have more justification to refuse less popular talents stuff.>>110499050I'd sooner blame the various middle suits in the company as the company's grown big enough that such a suit can try their own agenda without anyone up top noticing
>>110500796Kill yourself outfitschizo
>>110500980I remember this general sentiment. It was in a documentary I watched as a teenager. Essentially in the West we all have to deal with no upward mobility because old people won't move out of their positions and retire because they like the easy, large income and so the middle age people below them take the alright paying positions and the young people basically get fucked because growth will no longer be a thing.
>>110500845>>110500846That's scummy as fuck, thank God Koro San is a good honest person
>>110500904You mean don't have "number" enough.
>>110501228> Didn't that project go nowhere thus her crash outNTA, but not quite. She wanted to do her photo exhibition at a big venue - to which Cover told her not to because it won’t be successful and she would have to operate at a big loss. She complained and they eventually ended up giving her the green light but with a smaller venue than she initially wanted.Then she had her crash out anyway so that project is probably canned now
>>110501134I will say it again, this shit is too ass even in JP standard. T. Who worked with JP company for 3 years
>>110495890Remember to thank Suisei when she leaves too.
>>110501371Well, my point is that if you want a company to be efficient, it shouldn’t get processed in the first place.The fact that it did is exactly why they are so inefficient.
>>110501357Well, numbers bring influence, so yeah. If Suisei had RBC numbers, they probably would’ve told her to suck it up instead of establishing Studio Stellar for her
>>110501371She was trying with Raden but got incident before they are going somewhere together after Fuji mountain.
>>110498825>Gurakek. Stop including her in this kind of thing. She is just lazy.
This is the fate of every company that goes public, they have to appease shareholders and investors and that means "growing the brand" by diluting everything the original fans loved about it and playing it safe so you don't scare any potential new sources of money.
>>110501434And no one would really talk about it. Though it isn't likely Suisei would have ambition as being stuck in the "slums" tends to smother it. Just look at how rather directionless RBC is these days.
>>110501518They just released their biggest star from their control and bet on investing in her personal management.
>>110501518It's far worse anon... for this time, they made old customer close their wallet.
>>110501518Truly the biggest fuck you one can wish on a company. It's the business equivalent to "I hope the series you love becomes mainstream"
>>110501518If you look at the fine details, the parties that own the biggest chunks are YAGOO and some other big, everything else is spread in tiny chunks. If they did have all the power.... we'd be seeing worse things like people being fired for "underproducing", etc.
>>110501681Don't jinxed it....
>>110498643The company is their oshi
>>110501518This is the fate of companies that rely on hiring inexperienced graduates for management positions and promoting from within.
>>110501770It's not like this at first...
>>110495890i wonder if its been on her desu, or her just being so dependant on that stupid fucking bear for the past few years. I get that Marine wants to have a game but she really needs to do something else. There's other things she could've done but was she that afraid? Another 40 Kumarine short it is
>>110496302Of course people buy the Steam version you retard, then they apply the patch. What are you implying, they're going to steal it? What kind of retard would steal a game from a dev they supposedly support?
>>110502099She isn't afraid.This post was just her lowering the expectations of her fans because she pretended to care about them a bit too much so they have been expecting her to stream again.She isn't going to do anything else because she genuinely wants to do nothing herself and just wants to commission all of her content.
next graduation
>>110502776Termination
>>110502752If she isn't afraid then why erased it?
>>110501989This feels like Nijisanji hiring practices...
>>110502992What if Niji infiltrate Hololive already and we just unnoticed?
Is improving this kind of stuff such a difficult ask? Just have a proper ticketing system.
>>110495890I'd be angry too. It's fucking ridiculous. Why are suits always so goddamn slow and inefficient? Doesn't cover have like 800 employees? Clearly the numbers don't mean much if things still work that poorly. They ought to fire half of them, maybe the shorter communication chain will make them work better.
>>110496014I wonder if she'd succeed as an indie, I think her gimmick and being able to publish high quality mvs are too important
>>110497564>>110500621Or just expect cover management to be competent ?
>>110495890I’m making my own vtuber corp with blackjack and hookers
>>110504139What if they don't want to?
>>110495890Cover it's bloated, they have way too many employees. Over 700 people, that is ridiculous.
>>110504260You are delusional if you think Marine isn't friends privately with top artists that would work with her as indie too
>>110495890Notice how everything with Marine went to shit when her former manager, the Genki the girl she liked so much was fired or quit. She stopped streaming as often, stopped participating in major company events, and fell into the arms of a lazy leech who only fueled her insecurities.I don't know what the fuck Cover is doing that all competent managers end up quitting or getting fired. My theory is that they cut costs, and managers' salaries these days aren't great, which is why no one who's really qualified wants to work there.
>>110496061the one thing I respect about american tech start up culture is the hustle. everything moves at lightning speed. projects, teams, turnover, layoffs. Never boring and you get decisions very quickit also makes iternational work a nightmare since they move like snails pace. Europeans in particular are just lazy
>>110495890How the fuck do you take a full fucking year to say "no" when it's one of the biggest talents in your company?I imagine this is why Suisei started her own.
>japs suck at shitwow you are telling me this just nowanything japanese that has success does it in spite of being japanese
>>110495890What a whore !She deserves to get suspended for half a year .Disgusting lack of respect towards company .
>>110506879Actually truet. Swede (the only functioning country in the EU)
>>110502952Then she can join her BAN sister Mel
>>110503041This has been happening for a while though, both EN and JP have been been hiring ex-niji staff for at least a couple of years by now.
>>110495890I think the bigger problem this highlights is, how can it take Cover a fucking year to tell their most subscribed to Vtuber a "yes" or "no".
>>110507915You don't understand, she has to submit a ticket to her manager, the manager then processes it, then he has to fax the upper management with a request for a permission to conduct an initial inspection of her ticket, then the upper management needs to fax the upper upper management requesting additional funds to be allocated for the preparation of the report on Cover's ability to process Marine's manager's request, but all the funds get allocated at the end of the fiscal year, so they need to wait for that, and ask for approval on the investor's meeting, lest the company becomes liable for misallocation of funds. This is serious business.
>>110495890>ctrl+f niji>6 resultsTame result but still rentfree.
>>110508432Serious business? More like serious clusterfuck
>>110495890Couldn't she bring it up at Yagoos tea party?Risky games aren't liked, she should know that or maybe she is just too old and doesn't keep up with the nerdy news. You can sing about sex and drugs all you want but games are a different beast.
>>110506722They do move managers around for some reason every so often
>>110509342Keep in mind she comes from the NND era when risque games were far more niche and could get away with alot more. Most Hololive fans enjoy tongue-in-cheek risque but I think Marine would be surprised by just how much of the current fanbase would balk and be disgusted by her extreme (and based) tastes.
>>110509892Marine throws around money purely for her own fans. If she thinks the Ichimin would like it, that's enough reason for her.
>>110508804Happens every time. It's tough at the top
>>110500038outdated pic
>>110498825pffft, bro tried to sneak in gura
>>110500793Did you even read it??No?? I thought so...Also, nobody is saying eroge, but a VN with spicy art here and there which is completely different.
Not like anyone would believe me, but I've seen that a good deal of holo managers are indians and chinese. Impossible to get anything done.
>>110496463and look where it got him
>>110495890whoa
>>110500980>somehow they still stick around for like 30 more years because they bought some random propeties in New York or somethingwait a second, didn't cover open an office in the US a couple years ago? they made a big deal about it and introduced the man in charge of that office or something, what the fuck happened to that?
>>110495890This is not just Japanese bureaucracy, this is weaponized bureaucracy to bully talents they don't like. "Banishment room" but for the online world.They did this to Coco, they did this to Kanata, and they're doing this to Haachama and Marine. Which leads me to my theory: they're expelling old talents who aren't 100% on board with returning to China.
>>110495890Huh
I like how everyone pretends the "Aquamarine" quasi-eroge never happened. While I agree Cover should stop being a buncha pussies and let the more risqué holos do their own thing (good luck getting the beancounters on board), I can't help but wonder about the timing of this message from senchou.Think about it, she hasn't been sexy since the ao bullshit, the latest dakimakura set she put out looks way worse than the first one, her membership numbers, interactions with fans and overall number of non-shill streams are going down.And now, we got susie going her own way, citing "creative differences". Marine's still pissed that ao got kicked the fuck out and this is her way to let Cover know she willing to go for the nuclear option. Make no mistake, the captain doesn't do subtlety well, even though she likes to think she does.Mark my words, she's graduating this year. (Unless they put us in another one of those fun lockdowns because of "muh energy crisis / covaids 2 / ww3", but that would mean the entire vtubing industry would see a resurgence kek)
>>110518044Yes ReactionPic anon, I'm sure she'll graduate this year, just as you said in 2024 and 2025.
>>110496921>>110497418She definitely got scolded by management and was ordered to take it down.
>>110495890Those are valid complaints and all, but I honestly couldn't care less. It wasn't management who forbid Marine from streaming and it wasn't management who told her to bring her stupid androgynous pet wherever she went. You can only blame them so much, but most of her failures are her own. This is Gura cope all over again.
>>110518896Management isn't fast enough or attentive enough to members to notice a post in the membership just 5 seconds later.You Retards don't even know where it was posted, at what time or how long it was up and yet speak with confidence.
Just popping in to say sex with Marine.Alright bye.
>>110519134Maybe she wasn't directly scolded then. But the threat of reprisals was clearly on her mind for her to take it down almost immediately after posting it. Something like "these are my true, unfiltered feelings and frustrations, but I don't want the smoke from management so I'll just take it down."
>>110519215More than "fear of reprisals," it's the fact that she knows her post could be fuel for the already many and constant antis.She has spoken about this on several occasions in Members as well; she is tired of all the crap directed at the company (even though she knows that trust has been lost) and holomen. She knows it would be used to bring other ppl down or to make twisted narratives.Just look at Miko or Koyori getting shitted for existing.
>Somehow the blue woman is involved in this, somehow.....Are Ichimi really THAT traumatized? Do they have PTSD or something?
Cover should be bending over backwards to please their talents, not the other way around. Without the talents they're nothing. When your most subscribed talent asks for something, you goddamn well better have an answer in a timely manner or else you can fuck off. Why is management always so retarded?
>>110495890wow she instantly deleted it, huh? how convenient , why is this always the way with retarded bait threads?
>>110521069Discussion or criticism isn't "bait" nor is her having posted it at all something you can dismiss out of hand, apologist.
>>110521069Proof of this existing has already been discussed in this thread, and if you really care you can go to global to see when they discussed it too
>>110511716china just banned anything japan, so they're killing their talents for nothing!
>>110518769In 2024 I said Ame would graduate. In 2025 I said Gura would graduate
>>110498871>The literal most successful vtuber they have ever had>Not just in subs>In merch>In concerts>Is probably the only one who is sharing the spotlight with Suisei in success>Is literally bankrolling animation studios>Brand riskWhat
>>110498871If Marine's a brand risk, what would it make Matsuri?
Cover must be laundering money
>Marine, a jap woman, still hasn't caught on to japanese corpo heel draggingThis has to be intentional on her part
>>110495890That’s the norm for big companies though. Any projects take up to a year to even get looked at. As much as it sucks, as a company gets bigger, it takes more and more just to keep it running daily. Run behind on that and things that will take a day to get looked at will take two. Can’t catch up and suddenly something that should be done immediately, like changing a broken lightbulb, doesn’t get done for a month. I’m speaking from experience here.
>>110522003She isn't any of those things though.
>>110526281Yeah okay whatever man burden of proof is on you
>>110522343Or Choco
>>110526294Suisei is the most successful vtuber in merch, concerts and all the other metrics that are actually real. That's why she's getting her own studio and Marine isn't.
>>110495890prove it isn't fake
>>110529010It's not fake and leaked by Ichimin themselves
It's ok when a holojp does it
>>110529032So it's fake
>>110529689Nah it's real Jp also witness it
>>110496061>>110500980BAUSED
Hololive is dog shit honestly and its worse after going public and it was always shit they just hid the cancer better like Mano aloe firing, refusing. To do anything for Coco until it was too late, Mel sexual abuse by manager, the abysmal treatment of talents so they're all going fucking crazy and stressed out like haachama and being bullied by cliques and shit.Jap perms autism and slow shitty Mia managers that waste years or time on projects only to say no at the end like now with marine.Constant fuck ups and not getting permanent for games the talents asked forJoining niji or all fucking companies hand in hand should have told you everything you needed to know since niji and wactor are the blackest companies in vtubing that people actually know about.Seeing holoniggers defend it so vehemently reminds me of bootlicking nijiniggers.
>>110496014They will just paid of bunch of shrill or low wage employees to make excuses online like when Gura left or Aqua. Maybe pay a botters to run anti propaganda against Marine like Vshojo did against their talents.
>>110496014They're not going to give a shit. Everyone saw how unpopular Marine really is when majority of the stock for her cup ramen collab remained unsold.
Marine LITERALLY sued a person because they made fun of her mother.. she has her woman moments
>>110504260Anon...she's LITERALLY a mangaka and unlike EN whores, the JP love their oshi for them. She would be fine.
>>110533511She's no good against deadlines (which she says is why she never went that route)
>>110533436That's actually not uncommon in Japan.See, Japanese law regarding defamation is far stricter than most western countries. You can be successfully sued for saying anything that damages someone's reputation even if it's veriafiably true.So, yeah... Japanese fake politeness isn't 'just' culture. There's self-preservation involved.
>>110533511>she's LITERALLY a mangakaNo she's not.
>>110533436You wouldn't take action if someone called your mother a whore?
>>110533436Filial relationships are dead in the west if you think that suing someone for insulting your mother is a "woman moment" instead of just being a dutiful son/daughter.
>>110533664Depends. If they do it IRL, sure, I will bash their teeth in or find ways to fuck them as much as I can otherwise. Online, though? I will just laugh it off. It’s not like anons (myself included) have never done so countless times w/ no consequence whatsoever anyway
>>110533949Fair I suppose
>>110533978kek that's such a good response
>>110530681>Seeing holoniggers defend it so vehemently reminds me of bootlicking nijiniggers.people have been wondinger where Nijisis' have gone to, well there is your answer. You can thank ERB, Nerissa, Shiori, CC, and GG for that.
>>110533635>Wants to be spoonfedDo your own reps.
>>110534277Yes. Holo is now FULL of the doxxnigger homobeggars from the cesspool and now everything's ruined forever.Gigi and erb especially have killed holo.They turned it into niji 2 just like they wanted.
>>110533436To put more context on this because already the apologism is out, she sued an ISP for the personal information of a person who said she was a "motherless idiot", so she could then sue the person directly.
>>110529010
>>110534476>Holo is now FULL of the >NowSeafag, do you not remember the hololive basement discords? All of the doxcords in 2020 and 2021? It's always been full of it. Nyfoco you fags keep saying is 'nijisisters' started purely for and by holo fags.
>>110534437She's not a mangaka.She has literally always said that she is very slow at drawing to meet the required deadlines.She never managed to become a serious and successful manga artist. She only published a couple of drawings on Kirara years ago.
>>110535097They were still a minority back then
>>110537729>"y-yea they were only a minority!"The whole reason people even know who holomems are is because of them.
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>>110495890BASED BASED TOTAL HOLOTRASH DEATH
>>110519411has she mentioned Miko in particular? I know antis have used marine for a long time to attack Miko, and some 'ichimin' also have done so. Disguised mother fuckers. Has she talked on that in members?
>>110530681Nijisanji is honestly better run than Hololive. You don't hear anywhere near these sorts of complaints, and certainly not from top livers,Cover is pretty garbage as a business and as a management agency compared to Anycolor. Honestly they are just totally carried by the performers, but those livers would have a much better time if they left for Nijisanji, and they'd have much for freedom too, especially the top performers who don't shy away from male contact like Marine or Pekora. They'd make wonderful livers.
>>110496569You're either a cover manager or a brown SEA who thinks cover can do no wrong. Either way neck yourself you tranny faggot.
>>110496781Yes see>>110496569>>110496920And of course>>110496781
>>110498491>self protecting shitskinGood job outing yourself lmao
>>110496953fucking this. I switched to wagieing. I'm not even a go getter fucking slave. But fuck me is it annoying to just want to half heartedly get my work done but I have to talk to x faggot who needs to talk to y faggot who needs to call z faggot who tells me to go speak to giga nigger faggot who tells me to talk to fucking X AGAIN just to do simple one line commit.
>>110495890Reminds me of when it took Cover an entire year before they actually contacted redjuice for IRyS' redesign. Random loser middle managers treating the talents like shit is insane
>>110545865And taso suffering from this.....to the point she peed in fresh blood and overworking.
>>110545118This except to get the right materials ordered
