Holostars is officially killhttps://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/c2026040301https://x.com/cover_corp/status/2039961307672416591
>>110765014Qrd?
>>110765014Note that it doesn't say holostars english anywhere.Much like how hololive english isn't hololive, holostars english isn't holostars.
>>110765014This will surely revive the board and bring back the good times of Vtubing. I'm so excited I'm shaking on my boots!
>>110765014One step closer to getting the axe.This is essentially a "banishment room" move from Cover. We'll see several homo graduations in the coming months.
>On the other hand, considering the current business situation of "Holostars," we have held numerous discussions as a company to ensure the sustainable existence of "Holostars," and have examined various aspects of future activity policies. As a result, we have determined that a change in the "management structure" to match the current situation is absolutely essential.>Accordingly, we will be concluding the group-wide activities led by the company, which have been conducted in parallel with the individual activities of our talents, and will be changing our activity policy to focus primarily on individual activities starting this year. >In addition, we will be reviewing resource allocation and will be limiting or terminating some support.>Main organizational changes :>Company-led initiatives>Talent streaming using our own studio>New merchandise releases for anniversaries and other occasions.>Original music production and releaseetc.HOLY FUCK THEY GAVE UP
What did she mean by this?
>>110765112all holostars will be fired and she'll be able to marry one of them since they're not coworkers anymore
>>110765022No more company lead activities as in, they’ll have management still and help where requested but their asses are not getting any funding anymore.
>>110765151And they won't be allowed to use the 2.7 billion yen studio anymore
>b-b-but my shiori collab, I WONLEMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>110765014long overdue to ease up on supporting a branch that makes no money
>>110765073>>110765090Yep, basically firing the entire branch without the negative PR associated with the move.
Is this for all the fags or just the JP ones
But why did they give up?What is the reason? Aren't the fujos too strong?
>>110765014When will Hololive kill their Indonesian branch?
I love men.
>>110765259their indonesian branch sold out a concert in minutes
All of stars will be rebranded to Roberu: The Experience
>>110765014Prepare for sisters to get even more unhinged.
>>110765256Can't "two more weeks" shareholders forever.
>>110765014So StarsJP as a project is effectively dead, and Cover will now only be providing bare-minimum support for the individuals to continue their current activities. No more growth or promotion, reduced permission of company resources, etc.StarsEN is probably on very thin ice. That difficult meeting some of them were talking about recently was likely related to this.
Another W for Nijisanji.
>>110765014>we will stop funding anything related to holostars from now on, they're pratically indies, but we will still take money from themHOLY BLACK COMPANY
>>110765259ID most likely has great margins, they likely cost pennies to actually pay while bringing in good money.
>>110765277But are they still making money? I mean, HoloID didn't get any new members since 2022.
>>110765253Just the JP ones, because the EN ones have never even close to getting the support Stars JP were getting to begin with.
>>110765028>Much like how hololive english isn't hololive, holostars english isn't holostars.Insane cope
>>110765090I mean have you seen any of them streamMost of them are just hobby streamers, it's actually kind of bizarre how mundane the holostars talents are compared to the girls who are all either experienced performers, former idols, or trained into those roles
>>110765303And that's why several of them will graduate in the coming months, there's no point in staying.
>>110765303Let's be real here, without the hololive dorito these faggots are basically unknown. Even the gay orc and red insecure cat faggot still can't get over the fact 80% of their audience dipped.
>>110765014I don't see how this really changes anything except they don't show up at HoloFes. Most of them weren't using the 3D studio for more than the occasional stream anyway.
>>110765294Why? They can’t poach 0 viewers?
>>110765259Keep dreaming gremshits, your oshi don't have the numbers to be appointed LOL official co-streamer
>>110765014>>110765353https://x.com/kageyamashien/status/2039966280166547869>In summary, all events, AGF, live shows, Osha Festa, Stacolle, company-led projects, studio usage (including simple 3D), sales of birthday and anniversary goods, new goods, voice sales, and original song releases will all be gone.
>>110765334Men who are good at entertaining do not need vtuber avatars and the whole thing is a net loss to any talented male. Most of the hologirls are 4/10 rejects from wherever, they benefit by becoming cute anime girls.
Damn, I feel bad for Aruran, Roberu and Oga in that orderbut I had to check to see if Oga is even still with the company, that's how little a presence he has
>>110765022Holostars now have to use their own money to buy stuff instead of leeching off Hololive
En retards keep coping lol Meanwhile, JP already accepted the fatehttps://x.com/i/status/2039966280166547869https://x.com/i/status/2039966280166547869
who?
>>110765256Money, it's money.Holostars always had only fraction of Hololive's popularity and any attempt to connect Hololive's fanbase with Holostars ended with massive shitstorm that hurt entire company.Holostars failed at connecting with Hololive viewers and failed at attracting sustainable numbers on their own.Mind you, if not the Kronii, Shiori, other girls and Redditors probably this would not happen. Aggression towards Hololive viewers made them just not being interested with Holostars even more.
>>110765090Nice
"Banishment Room" status.
>>110765394Roberu for sure is staying as an individual talent. His audience is real and they like buying branded booze. Aurun will also likely be fine. Everyone else is donezo. Fucking Gamma is looking like a genius: got married to staff and quit to write Korean manwha.
>>110765151>but their asses are not getting any funding anymore.I don't even watch Stars and even I know that they were basically never getting any meaningful funding and that a majority of their spending money came from their own pockets, because the homos can't stop bitching about it. Relatively speaking they only ever got pocket money.
>>110765400
>>110765259NIJISEETHE
>>110765391this. actually good male streamers just dominate normal streaming
>>110765384>not even allowed to use the studioWow, that's kind of fucked up.
>>110765373Still couldn't get a new gen for HoloID.
...lol it's even more over than I thought
So they’re stealing the two staff Stars had and are giving them to EN5.
>>110765328The only one coping here is you, ENtard.
>>110765277didn't stars sold out their last concert as well?
>>110765014Holostars are like the WNBA. They need a male branch, or in holo's case a female branch to keep it alive.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
>>110765475oh boy, more japanese staff members who can't fucking relay instructions properly and have no spines in actually getting anything done! my favorite!
>>110765259HoloID is basically just HoloEN0 ran on peanuts.It's generating money and costs nothing to run. From business perspective, Cover would love every branch to be like HoloID.
>>110765442dang they are going full nuclear if they are even chopping keychain, stickers and voicepack support
>>110765014The only way to truly make it as a male vtuber (and sustain it, not talking right place/right time like Luxiem) is to either a) be a generational talent that's actually worth watching which is extremely rare, or b) the more likely path is use a shitty filter and act like a retard to corner the zoomer market.Also I do hear chinese bitches are a tappable market but would any sane person really want that?
>>110765400>>110765442>>110765472They are neither graduated not terminated. And they can continue flirting with Hololive girls during collabs.
>>110765502IDs need to fly to Japan and they even get to perform in holofes. They are expensive for what they bring.
>>110765384So in the end the only thing Cover provides for them is the IP they debuted with and they still have to follow Cover's policies.Anyone confident in being able to rebuild will graduate after this, but those that don't will go on as just streamers.
>>110765256>Aren't the fujos too strong?Holostars don't really have fujos in droves like that to stay afloat>>110765408>Aggression towards Hololive viewers made them just not being interested with Holostars even more.Nah they were just fucked for the jump, Holostars was largely irrelevant/off to the side during periods of Hololive's biggest booms As result Hololive gain an audience that have zero fucking interest in male vtubers, as opposed to Niji for example
>”Hello? It’s me. Do it.”
>This many posts unironically being sad about itYep /vt/ is overtaken by trannoid faggot shit pushers that jerk off to holostars and are engaged in "fight le unicorns" activism around the clock.>>110765533See, like the subhuman cock smoker above.
>>110765256niji holds all the fujos in their grasp
>>110765259You know Kobo is like top 5 subs in all of Hololive right? She's massive
>>110765564quote the posts that are unironically sad about this
>>110765328dumb newnigger
>>110765502>costs nothing to runIt costs exactly as much to run as holostars does. Actually it potentially costs more because they need separate Indonesian staff members for ID while holostars could just use existing JP staff.
Are there really any good (entertainment wise) Male Vtuber? I can think of maybe Uwoslab or Heavenlyfather, but they're not like great or anything only decent.
what about the handful of actually popular (for them) members? Like Roberu will never have merch again? I wonder if they are going to do stuff like that on their own like indies do
>>110765558Nah, Yagoo, Shinove, and A-chan were the ones keeping homos afloat.Now that the two of them are gone the female-only side finally won.
>>110765581And yet nobody can challenge her. Kobo is lonely at the top and she'll soon quit much like Gura.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqallpA4XHggraduation inc
>>110765470Yes, and?
>>110765496>doesnt know the wnba actually makes money>doesnt know Hollywood accounting Ngmi
>>110765564Anybody who actually cares about vtubers moved to holotower.org
>>110765564What made you think that I've meant this >>110765533 as something good you dumbass?
Waiting for niji to poach roberu
>>110765564JP stars are pretty cool and stay in their line for the most part, too bad the EN shitters came in and killed all good will towards Stars in general, specially the 2 retards that thought they were hot shit and left after setting the branch on fire.
>>110765014OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>110765441Lol, lmao
>>110765564some people can be empathic when a copany acts this shitty
>>110765598Unironically LordAethelstan.
>>110765014>open new studio>no more money from her pockets to holostars>single-handedly kills the male branchBased?
>>110765599They're effectively telling the StarsJP to leave without outright firing them.
>>110765014LETS FUCKING GO!!! ID next please shareholders-san!!!!
>>110765591>holostars could just use existing JP staff.they could but they don't, the entire stars team uses separate management below the very top
>>110765651Oh, yeah. Aethel is a good lad.
>cutting a whole branch due to business decisioni can only pray it doesn't affect low sales hololive member
>>110765647but we love that they are cutting the stars off though?
>>110765659>open new studio>hire all the homos out of her own pocket>handjobs the entire male branch
he didn't go far enough, but yagoo deserves credit for finally doing something rightthey must really be desperate to cut unnecessary expenses after the holofes flop this year
>>110765673NIJISEETHE
>>110765706as long as the gloves stay on
>>110765682The lowest performing holomember competes with the entire homobranch
>>110765617>winning son no longer winning
>>110765564I genuinely could not care less about them if I tried, but even I've gotta admit saying "you can't even use Cover resources anymore and have to pay for everything out of pocket" is fucked up.If Cover's gunna kill 'em, they should do it quick. It's better for the company, it's better for the fans, it's better for the homos, and it's better for homofaggots.
>>110765488Their last concert didn't even have tickets, it was an online only event
Holy BASED finally no more wasting studio time on them
>wins
>>110765682Risu alone makes more than the entire stars branch put together
>>110765621shit is more dead than /vt/ besides the live report where you can't hold any conversation.
Time for Brave Group or Reality Studios to capture what's left from Holostars.
>>110765679That doesn't mean they can't use the exact same people as the ones that work on other Cover projects. Managers get moved around literally all the time and a japanese hololive manager can't suddenly become an ID manager, but they can become a holostars manager. Recruitment itself also costs money which is why shifting like this occurs.
>>110765564>State facts>Get called subhuman cock smokersuch is the life of /vt/ anons
>>110765766once again they don't, Holostars direct management are dedicated holostars managers
>>110765743>gets to plap nimi cunt and have 3P whenever negrissa or kronii go to visit herI kneel
>>110765736and no one showed up
>>110765746brown
>>110765746>shit is more dead than /vt/>the hololive global alone moves faster than this entire board
>>110765014So what's even the point to being in Holostars anymore? Just the name? They basically turned Holostars into Nijisanji. I am surprised they only mentioned JP, though. I guess EN is doing better by a significant margin, but even that is hardly much compared to what they could be doing.
>>110765553the fujos are all in on niji JP and the couple of huge JP indiesliterally no one wants the stars
>>110765766>Managers get moved around literally all the time and a japanese hololive manager can't suddenly become an ID manager, but they can become a holostars manager.Wow, you somehow made at least two and possibly three factually wrong statements in a single sentence. You should run for president.
>>110765746Are you really that sad that you can't post your cuck fantasies there?
>>110765682It will affect them eventually if you consider the fact that Cover were the ones that suggested Studio Stellar to Suisei.It tells me Cover will continue to draw clearer lines in their support structures based on profitability.
>>110765821exactlyhopefully this encourages them to finally graduate
>>110765735reminds me of the way japanese company trying to get someone to resign voluntary by assigning no works
>>110765821They’re waiting till daylight EN times to announce it for EN.
>>110765277So did the branch that just got defunded.
The only question is, why did it take so long
>>110765846that's literally it lol, making them resign without losing PR
>>110765469>>110765547They still get to benefit from their affiliation to Hololive, the Homostars name, their characters/IPs, Cover's connections to self-organize projects, and so on and so forth.This announcement doesn't mean they are left out to dry, they can still do shit, they just have to organize and pay for it themselves.
>>110765841Her managers were not going to let Cover steal the same % anymore. Studio Stellar is 100% their compromise to keep Suisei from leaving completely.
>>110765869they can't afford to do any of the shit you mention, they are just giving cover half their little revenue they do have by staying
>>110765790And those dedicated holostars managers can be dedicated hololive managers in the past or the future. There's literally nothing stopping them.Next you're telling me because some girls at one point had their own dedicated managers that means those managers can only be their managers and nobody else's.
>>110765620
>>110765259indokeks didn’t like this
>>110765384>studio usage (including simple 3D)That's fucked up. It's not like they really used it before, but that's the only thing they wouldn't be able to easily get outside of the company.
>>110765885This is the third time you've stated hypotheticals instead of actual stuff happening on the ground
>>110765821>I am surprised they only mentioned JP, thoughI didn't see them mention JP.
>>110765835Nothing I said is factually wrong.
>>110765821>They basically turned Holostars into Nijisanji.that would imply holostars can actually find any modicum of success
>>110765897Oh I'm sorry did I ruin your nijinigger deflection attempt?
>>110765736tf are you saying, last jp concert had both a venue and onlinetickets and it sold out in minutes
>no studio usageHoly kek. Haven't there been a few en stars that just moved to Japan for this reason recently? Including one that moved their entire family? Sorry buddy, hope you all kept those moving boxes!
KEEP WATCHING THEM CLIPS ONLY SISTERS! THAT'LL KEEP THEM AFLOAT!
>>110765841Yeah this is what I am worried about. If holostars which barely make any profits still get management supports, then there's nothing to worry about for low performing holomem. But with them setting this precedence, uhh yeah all i can do now is pray
>>110765884>they can't afford to do any of the shit you mention,Yeah, because they are not successful and the vast majority of them hasn't really even tried to grow their channels in a long ass time.There are exceptions though, namely Roberu, who actually IS doing pretty well for himself and has already been self-organizing a ton of projects since the very start instead of relying on Cover's handouts.
Roberu is crying live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqallpA4XHg
>>110765014LolLmao even
>>110765852Holostars doesn't have Pavolia Reine
>>110765903Managers being shifted around has never happened? Are you accusing all the girls that talked about it happening of lying?
>>110765014Kek leeches can't leech anymore
>>110765869benefit? more like debuff. other streamers are scarred to interact with them in fear of the angry fans backslash
>>110765906Neither Tempus nor Vanguard are part of 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd gen, nor Uproar, which were all named individually. If they wanted to include EN, they could've easily named them, too.
>>110765879The fuck are you saying? "Her managers" are Cover employees. They have no allegiance to Suisei.
>>110765939They can still book the 3D studio for 3D lives... assuming they can afford it
>>110765951You lying fuck you made me click on the stream
>>110765819Who needs new Bait threads now when the last one a retard made can survive for three days?
>>110765014This confirms new girls were delayed because homos were eating up studio hours and other resources, right?
>>110765939I mean that's just fucking dumb if they really did move there. Like what did they expect, a 200 view streamer getting handouts for 10 years?
>>110765014>No more money from daddy CoverHyper based, i expect massive homofag graduations
>>110765996How do you know that? Shien's statement clearly says no more 3D from Cover.
>>110765869The homostars name means literally nothing to anyone there except maybe Roberu, Aruran and maybe Astel if he's still popular. Everyone else are literal who's who'll just take 90% of their fanbase with them if they were to quit. Right now it's basically just a banishment room and at least two of those people will literally never leave unless the entire branch gets shut down, and those at least two people are the only ones who've ever held any kinda sway and still do to a degree outside of the company. So their existence being allowed to continue means this gambit to axe Holostars without axing Holostars has already failed from its conceptual phase.
>>110766014if new girls can be made for $5 and dandelion fluff then sure. holostars weren't living large by any means
>>110765014keep roberu and axe the rest instead
>>110765014Total homofag death
>>110765943he may as well just go indie at this point
>>110765888NTA and don't care about sportsfaggotry but>using AI summaries as proof of anything>calling anyone a nigger'Fraid tah say that you're a double nigger, mistah.
>>110766034>from Cover
>>110765939deportation streams are going to do numbers though
No more male debuts confirmed basically at least
>>110765906>12 members
>>110765888I literally said Hollywood Accounting for this exact reason. If you think an organization the size of the NBA cares about 15m you’re retarded. That’s almost nothing. The wnba overspends that on planes each year. They actively overspend to prevent the women from arguing for more money, which a judge (really the arbitrator) agreed was going on which is why they just got across the board min salary raises.This is why I hate talking to retards, they literally don’t know anything and pray google gives them a pity argument to fall back on. Try suicide, it might be your style.
>>110766042It also means now there's less excuses if nothing really changes in terms of waiting time for the Studio.
It was a really long time coming, I still don't get what sunk cost fallacy kept that branch operational for all these years. They were making peanuts while being a drain on the whole company and you could argue that the branch's existence just caused more issues to the girls who were bringing in money. I know they still technically exist after this, but holy fuck good riddance
>>110765014Hololive is about to enter a phase of maximum corpo grifting to squeeze every last drop out of those mentally ill unicorns, and for that they needs to get rid of the homo dead weight that isn’t generating any profit. That’s how corps work, and in fact it took much longer than expected for this to happen.
I predict the holos that are stars-friendly to start giving them more pity invite to 3d lives
>WNBA defenders
>>110766073Hell even I would watch that.
>>110765900Indies rent 3rd party studios all the time. There's just no point letting a homo use Cover's studios when Riona doing karaoke using the simple 3D studio can make Cover more money than any homo ever could.
>>110765939Jurard JUST moved there. He was talking last week about finding a new place because he moved in next to his ex like a freak
>>110766072Using Cover's 3D studio is 3D provided by Cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqallpA4XHgRoberu talking about the announcementHe sounds strangely happy and excited if anything lmao
>>110766052Roberu should join Neoporte
>>110766014>this confirms [thing it didnt confirm]Anon the homos didn't make or do or have any worth in anything, I'm pretty sure whatever your parents gave you for allowance or whatever you were paid mowing lawns in a week is more than Cover spent on them in a month
Aruran just realized his life's last ever merch drop was for his maid outfit
>>110766094I'm sure they'll find the next boogeyman to blame. I am concerned though. If they're willing to do this to underperformers now, are they going to start cutting the weaker girls like Festival or ID next?
>>110766069Do your own research then and you will find the exact same info.>'fraid>mistahBack to bluesky tranny.
>>110766129he's probably coping and already dont give a fuck
>>110766134kek
>>110765744Guess what Risu also does? Whine about not getting opportunities handed to her because she's obviously unprofitable.
>>110765994>doesnt understand how talent management works
>>110766133>>110766042they did take up studio resources though
>>110765014LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>110766111ESLtard.....
>>110766106Yep. Like 80% of this board is now redditors that came here to "fight le unicorns" so no wonder you see that shit.
>>110766162For what? I haven't heard of a new Holostars 3D anything in ages.
>>110766150Nobody in holo gets opportunities "given" to themIt's time the homos get treated the same way
>>110766154Why don't you explain it then, expert? I'm sure those managers that constantly tell the talents they're managing to fuck off with their ideas are so aligned with the talents.
>>110766138>blueskyThe joke was magical negro, go watch a movie sometimes.
holy shit holostars really is bleeding money?i thought it was a joke
>>110765022Stars had a chance to leech weastern tourists the same way Live did but instead chose to autistically pander to a small audience of chinese fujos and play third banana to nijisanji males and others, meaning only Asteroid and Roberto are actually a net gain for the company and the rest are pretty useless.I sympathize with them but I also don't, because if you're in a job like that you should know better to grow. This is especially true for Stars since many of them were older guys, retired male idols or something, from the get go but played it like it was free money instead of being hungry for success.
>>110766129>"I mean if you're not gonna support us anymore just fucking say it">Finally they fucking said itIt's like getting constipated and then finally able to take a load of shit, of course he's happy about it.
>>110766150Karaoke when Risu
>>110766182I mean they kind do though because simply being a holo makes you more relevant than 99.99% of the vtubers on the market. It's the lazy asses like Risu and Iofi who have managed to squander even a golden opportunity like that away by sheer laziness and entitlement
>>110766102This. Cover is at “extract and extend” stage. Their goal is minimum expense for maximum gain. Expect your oshi woman to be very stressed and sad for the next two years.
>>110766182And Risu whined just like homos did. What does that say about her?
I'm surprised they bothered that long with that money pit no one gave a fuck about
Kneeling status?
>>110766129>>110766139Roberu is the only Homo that's actually successfulNot being forced to waste time with all the group projects Cover made them do is 100% a positive for him
>>110766102>>110766235NIJISEETHE
>>110766182>Nobody in holo gets opportunities "given" to themif you exist in holo you are already given success, i thought everyone figured this out once shiori debuted
>>110766134I mean they probably could still do merch, they just have to fund/coordinate the whole thing on their own.
>JP stars who were mostly harmless are kill>EN stars who are a net negative are still aroundFor what purpose
>>110766182>Nobody in holo gets opportunities "given" to themWhat, did you think the girls found their own sponsors and merch drops?
>>110766245Can't believe she heard they were cutting support for the boys and quit on the spot!
>>110765014Not even having studio usage is pretty shitty. Before the EN homos debuted no one really gave too much of a shit about the JP ones. Wish this included the EN ones too.
>>110765063Stars isn't sustainable because the board itself isn't sustainable. All these hags announcing marriages and pregnancies started as flesh streamers 10-15 years ago. The "22 year old college girl streamer on twitch" is now someone's mom in her late 30s. Like how Destiny is 40 and has a teen son who hates him for being a cuck LOL.Vtubing has seen a collapse in the audience and most vtubers with small audiences of 100-300 usually have other jobs and are basically just autistic women who want to be anime.Also no one has money.
>>110766129he said he's deliberately trying to be positive so people aren't doomingdoesn't anticipate much changing for his own stuffbarely ever got to do 3Ds to begin withapparently he's still arranged to use the studio for something at the end of the year
>>1107661502024 Risu is a lazy fuck; she even makes it her personality so niggas can't use it as an insult anymore. She's actually improved since and I hardly hear her complaint anymore.
Took a look at the stream and he basically said that not much is going to change for him. Looks like he hasn't received any "support" from them for a long time.
>>110766199Their direct managers advocate for them and their interests. They get vetoed by people with actual power. Suisei had handlers that were more Pro-Suisei than Pro-Cover.
>>110765349many of them were already decently popular streamers in their own right. hell some of them are bigger outside of holostars
Where were you when homos was kill?
>>110766285Is it really though? You have this expensive studio that sees a lot of usage for events that bring you shitloads of money. Why would you then rent it out for a bunch of retards who don't bring in any money a few times a month when that slot could be used for the business that actually makes money and is popular?It would be a different story if the studio was vacant and not in use, but clearly that's not the case. I think it's been pretty fucking stupid to rent it out to those leeches out of obligation until this point
>>110765334>compared to the girls who are all either experienced performers, former idols, or trained into those rolesand then there's EN...
>>110766292>doesn't anticipate much changing for his own stuffFor any of the remaining members, I doubt much changed. >>110766277For now at least, the ENs have over triple the audience of the JPs.
It’s a good fucking day to be a unicornchad
>>110766292I think he also joked about going over to other peoples studios, which would make sense since he knows everyone and there's plenty of folks out there like Balus who already rent out their studio for other people.
>>110765294Unironically yeah.Cover is genuinely terrible at somehow managing to make the guys grow.Nijisanji doesn't really struggle in comparison with respect to their males.Yeah a good chunk of them are barely 3views like Stars are, but that's not the point, the point is many of them are NOT, many of them are bigger than most of the girls there as well.I've been trying to figure that out for a while as to why.The freedom doesn't matter, HolostarsJP are free to do whatever the fuck they wanted as well, and several did. The Beyblade master blew up and he got the group a bunch of new eyes until his end.>>110765384Now all my respect for the company is gone.This is no longer the Cover from 5 years ago.I had very little respect for them left when they went public, but nah.And I say this objectively - I don't even watch Stars, the most I watched was Roberu and the... blue headed one with the yellow stripes I think, and their interactions with others during VCR servers or Apex.What a downfall of a company, total growth but turning sour every year. They are fully American-tier trash now - shareholders over talents. Disgusting.But hey, I guess that's idolshit in a nutshell.Bring back the unserious fun early Hololive days where "being an idol" was a mere joke at best.No wonder YAGOO cries.
>>110765022Waste of resources. Plus their existence erodes talents of others by bringing controversy
>>110766350KFC
>>110766336Cover is and continues to be their actual employer, paying their bills.
>>110766277California fags. Quite literally just that.
>>110765014Man, just imagine being Nerissa right now and realising that you’ve ruined your own potential for growth by defending these parasites whose days were numberedThe purest form of a woman moment
Would it be bad if Cover Corp sold every Holostars member to Any color in exchange for getting all Nijisanji female members?
>>110765939This announcement does not impact EN Stars (though undoubtedly a similar announcement will be forthcoming if current trends continue). It only mentions the 12 JP talents.
>>110766285Studio time is super limited and expensive as fuck with all the backend staff that's required for most of it.There are COUNTLESS Holo projects that never saw the light of day because there simply wasn't any studio space available.
>>110766373the most SEA post in this thread, congrats
>>110765014>7 years of leeching from the girls inside and outside holo>7 years of leeching from top boys from other companies and independents>still no noticable homoshitSounds like they just don't have any talent.
>>110766129because he just got a new outfit lmao
>>110766397>The purest form of a woman momentThis lol
>>110765014This is actual black company behavior, but some people's weird hatred of men will praise it. They're literally silently firing them but doing everything possible to make it seem like they didn't by instead trying to coax them into leaving on their own. Actually fucking shitty corpo behavior, even the way CN went out was done in a more respectful manner than this
>>110766373The rest of your post screams of faggotry but I'll point out one thing that actually shocks me in how you somehow don't get it.>I've been trying to figure that out [why Nijisanji doesn't struggle with males] for a whileThey were there at the start, they were entertaining, they were promoted well, so on and so forth.Holostars original debuts were dropped like a turd in a toilet.
I guess that's why Matsuri suddenly ended collabs with them.
>>110765256
>>110766422You never watched any of them shut up nigger faggot
>>110766399No one wants the Nijiwhores that supported the Black Screen Stream. Let them rot in Niji.
Will Gura come back now?
>>110766397Why do you think she had a melty in the first place? She is upset that Cocktavio is getting canned
>>110766426Cover actively sabotaged them from the beginning and made them pariahs. They were kneecapped from the start
>>110765014Ernoul is going to shit himself in pure ecstasy when he wakes up. I was surprised he wasn’t already on this lmao. He was always right all along. 10k people would rather watch paint dry with Gigi than give stars the time of day. Now they’re literally getting more fucked over than Niji if Shien’s tweet is accurate
>>110766422Should have watched their fucking content then
>>110766422They can just quit if they want to. Like what the fuck, they were being fed for so many years without providing anything of worth for the company. Rather I applaud that someone higher up at Cover finally had the balls to cut that festering limb off
>>110766399Anybody Cover would want already graduated to go indie or joined other companies. The only reason anybody else remains is because they have no more prospects.
>>110766447I literally did, I watched them more than most of the girls
>>110766389And they employ those managers to advocate for the Talents they manage. Suiseis managers lose their immediate position if Suisei hates them or believes they aren’t being useful. She isn’t like Kiara. She has actual clout and matters to the company. This is a baffling take.
Good news but devil's advocate, why would any of them stick around now? They have to pay for everything out of pocket but cover still gets a cut for doing nothing for them and they don't own any of the IP or music or anything? At that point if they still want to do things it makes no sense to stay at all unless they are that in love to the character they're playing in stars.
>>110766404Nope, Altare mentioned it yesterday.
>>110766106>>WNBA defendersThe WNBA comp is actually retarded/bad in 2026, when that league makes money hand-over-fist now, to the degree their new CBA raised the salary cap
>>110766399NijiJP girls have better noombers than StarsJP.Anycolor would never agree to that deal.
>>110766459It's less about actively sabotaging them and more that Holostars only existed because Nijisanji had debuted a boys-only group (that also failed horribly) 6 months prior, and Hololive for the first two years was basically just "Whatver Nijisanji did on several months of a delay". Holostars weren't made to be interesting, they were recruited to try and capture a success that didn't even happen for the people they were copying.
I just realized Matsuri knew this was happening and that’s why she announced she wasn’t doing male collabs anymore
>>110765014Based, based, based. They have 7 YEARS to have at least one relevant and noticable talent, but no, still literal who.
>>110766373>I don't even watch StarsYeah, you and all the other beggars who are suddenly concerned about homos and Cover's direction.
STAAAAAAARS!!!
>>110766486>why would any of them stick around now? TheyRoberu and maybe Aruran are the only people who have anything to gain by staying because they have a ton of connections to people outside of the company, and not that every connection would be severed but there's not really a lot of places they could go for a re-debut.
QUICKWHAT IS ROBERU (my son) STATUS
So this is the reason Matsuri did her announcement? The whore saw the news ahead of time and thought "how can I benefit from this?"
>>110766486Some might stay because they have grown complacent and don't have any drive to succeed to begin with. These fags have literally been eating free handouts from the company all this time with zero aspiration to seek success using what they got, so more than likely they'll just continue sucking on the tit for a bit longer because leaving would require them to actually do something
>>110766495Nah, let Cover Corp steal the girls from Nijisanji.
>>110766433yeah, but >>110766403
>>110766498From the get go they basically had to outright ban most of the people they could collab with from collaborating with them. Even when girls were still actively collabing with Niji males, Cover had to be like "BUT THEY WILL NEVER EVER BE ALLOWED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE OTHER MEN IN THEIR COMPANY" and that naturally gave people a weird image of the stars right from the beginning, it's something yagoo himself personally says he regrets doing because it was a terrible misstep that only made it harder to get them off the ground
>>110765706They should handjob her instead.
>>110765014Holowho? never heard of them.
>>110766422>Entire worlds economy in the shitter>People cutting costs left and right>"Aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee no NOT my precious homostars nooooooooo not like this omg black corpo how could you???!!!"
>>110766426Doesn't matter, Nijisanji ENs male branches came well after the fact and shot past most of their girls.Kaoru that was Beyblade man, he shot past the rest of Holostars JP and by proxy got the rest of them attention as well.Korone and Pekora had horrible debuts and blew up to be the biggest names in vtubing.Gura became the biggest name and she can barely stand streaming.Shit doesn't matter how it starts out. You should know this.>>110766498And yet they managed to make HoloID work despite NijiID largely failing and being dissolved in to the main company. (and we don't even talk about the awful state of the KR and EN branches)>>110766519I don't fucking want them to collab with Hololive at all, kill yourself you no-argument subhuman child.I'm more concerned about the overall direction of the company being heavily focused on growth for the sake of growth.They have been spreading horizontally making all these shitty spends for things that make them no real income, like those shitty games.
>>110766486I assume cover cutting all these costs mean the star's base salaries will see an increase. And most of them barely work and still are doing okay so I don't think as many will leave as you are saying unless cover stops paying them entirely which duh then the entire branch is gone.
>>110766538>>110766417
>>110766553You know what, I actually completely forgot about that. Man, those wild west days were filled with retarded moments like that. I still think about how dotLIVE screwed the pooch in the most retarded way possible with the scheduling drama, good times...
Holostars wouldn't have failed and male niji wouldn't be able to dominate the market if Cover actually let them do this. Niji keep shitting out these official mixed units because it's printing money.All the big gacha games have male characters for a reason, even the one with all male characters like LaD has a fucking female self insert and is anti-homo, women want the guys to talk with the girls so they can self insert as female vtubers.
>>110766501Matsuri announcing that she won't do any more male collabs is the same as a hooker announcing that she won't get any more tattoos after her whole body is already tattooed
>>110766486Hololive talents receive a salary in addition to their SCs and memberships. It's not a lot though but it's still more than anything they'd make alone.
>>110766538for now, no change, will stay under Cover/HOLOSTARS. His content didn't use much 3D and he wasn't really a singer/performer. His content will mostly remain unaffected.
>>110765014holy shit ID and EN are next
>>110765014Evil company
>>110766572>Kaoru that was Beyblade man, he shot past the rest of Holostars JP and by proxy got the rest of them attention as well.It's pretty funny that Kaoru was more popular than any of the other stars and he fucked off almost immediately. Shows that you could succeed in stars if you had any talent or aspiration
>>110766572>using nijiENmales as an example of viewer growth>the people who have been outed for using more bots than pretty much any other group in the history of vtubingAnon wasn't kidding, you really are the biggest SEAtard in the thread.
Imagine if the Yankees couldn't play a game because that day the stadium was being used for a little league game. Ever giving Homos access to that studio was a mistake. They never deserved it.
>>110765014Based?
>>110766583cellmates and arukuri barely started anon, calm down.
>>110766562If Cover had come out and said "Yeah, they're all terminated, they're getting one last event and they're done!" I still would've disagreed with the decision, but it would've at least been them owning up and ripping the band aid off. This is them trying to pretty much absolve them of any negative PR when people inevitably leave or any remaining fans stop giving them money. It's black company shit, the literal cultural element in shitty Japanese companies that people mock, the shitty job that basically slowly tries to get the employee to quit on their own so they can claim they don't fire anybody
>>110766356>For now at least, the ENs have over triple the audience of the JPsBullshit, comapre to >>110766434Roberu and Aruran get triple the numbers of the EN stars and the rest have comparable numbers
>>110766501given that she was in Roberu's chat talking about doing 3D with him in the future that seems unlikely
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHATake screenshots of this pathetic thread just to have proof of how many actual trannoids are lurking on /vt/. That is why anything even remotely close to GFE is "LE BAD AND EVIL AND LE ALT RIGHT NAZI NAZI NAZI!!!"Die of aids faggots.
>>110766579What base salaries? A move like this makes it quite clear that there's no such thing as a base salary.
>>110766553Still a baffling launch. They didn't stand a chance.
Isn't Cover taking a book lesson from NBA by putting Women NBA on maintenance?!
>>110766661jesas those are actual half-finana numbers
>>110766583Anon, you posted Nijisanji VTubers who pretty much all debuted between 2018-2020. They haven't had an actual successful JP wave in fucking ages. The few minor wave successes that they have had are all male like VOLTACTION.
>>110765014They all become affilates. Wow. At least fauna incident won't happen again. Good news I guess
I wonder if Roberu can handle the pressure of all the accusations of unfairness he'll get.
>>110765391>Men who are good at entertaining do not need vtuber avatarsThis DESU.Vtubing is only a positive addition when it comes to women, because literally nobody wants to watch a regular annoying foid.Men don't have this issue
>>110766552Never trust a whore
We'll all wait for the day Nijisanji having only the main JP branch taking on Hololive JP and EN. This is what duopoly looks like.
>>110766609Ultra White Company
>>110766669It's bad for men to delude themselves into thinking a woman he'll never meet pretending to be an anime girl is his girlfriend because the birth rates in civilized countries are low enough as it is
>>1107652197 years were more than enough to prove they aren't worth it
>>110765888what's funny is the WNBA had one star player who actually pulled audiences but they kept throwing her under the bus because she's white
>>110766709> Retards' information is only updated to Voltaction, meanwhile there are already two other male groups that are twice as popular as Voltaction.
>>110766716He was already getting solo events and only did company mandated shit with group. He doesn't care.
>>110766709Some of their VTA graduates to livers are doing well though.
>>110766682You need to update your numbers. One finana is no longer 300+ ccv.
>>110766803do not take the bait and get out of this thread
>>110765259When reine's family want to stop
>>110766759I was in a 8 month long relationship when I started watching GFE vtubers. They can provide something that you cannot get in most real relationships. Keep coping that every vtuber watch is a fat greasy incel.What bothers me the most about this is that women can get their entertainment in the form of male BFE and games like Love and Space, and no one bats and eye, but same things must be DESTROYED because apparently men are not allowed to have anything.I unironically cant wait for WW3. A lot of people need to die.
>>110766709Uh, your Idios?
>>110766572>Doesn't matter, Nijisanji ENs male branches came well after the fact and shot past most of their girls.They also dropped down to their current numbers just as fast. The fujo audience is big and will give a ton of money if they like you, but they're also fickle as hell and quick to move on. StarsEN had it even worse because they sort of half went into a whole bunch of markets without committing and all of them conflict. The fujo yaoibaiting stuff turns off a lot of regular dudebros, but now it feels far too late to pivot.And the worst part is they were basically shipped out as singers/dancers which also shuts off a lot of audiences, and then never actually got a chance to sing/dance to actually tap into the market so what was even the point of that? You saw the same shit with regloss/flow glow where they were doing horribly until suddenly they had 3D and were able to show off what they were hired to do. It's like they keep hiring people to fill generic roles without actually thinking about how to capitalize on those roles before shipping them out.
>>110766823It should remain at 300 because Finana not even geting to 1 Finana is funnier, specially after all the botting last year
>>110766583From what I've seen, women really love to ship their oshis with top female vtubers (like Mito or Lize) to make their smaller oshis look good, if the stars can exclusively collab with PekoMikoMarine then Niji pretty much has no chance to compete but it's all too late now.
>>110766823A Finana isn't a Finana because of Finana's active CCV, it's a Finana because she went from being popular to being nothing.
>>110766848>I was in a 8 month long relationship when I started watching GFE vtubers. They can provide something that you cannot get in most real relationships.>waslol
>>110765014Genuinely fascinating to me reading the QTs; not a single person with any introspection or ability to self-reflect. Constant themes of:>cover owed them more>cover let them down>cover did nothing to promote them>they got so much support from fansNot a single person replying is able to understand that obsessively tweeting about them, engaging in bizarre culture war nonsense with unicorns, deliberately trying to antagonise Hololive fans - none of this is equivalent to actually watching streams and buying merch. Maybe if the fans had ACTUALLY shown support rather than lipservice.Stars deserved more from Cover? No, Stars deserved better fans.
I genuinely think if Vesper and Magni were still in the company this shit wouldn’t have happened. Hell Fauna might have even stayed. ManeJaps gonna jap. Wawa and Mori can be assertive and (rightfully) get their way in the company because they know how to finesse and speak Japanese. Vesper runs his mouth one time probably calling out how retarded the manejaps are and they suspend him and he rightfully concludes this shit is gay and Magni already had a good gig.
>>110766716He's working for those, unlike the rest of shits that just coast.
>>110765230You mean without the positive PR.If they announced they were firing every single holostars because they were worthless creeps they would be celebrated and filter cancerous entities too
>>110766848That's the thing though. Foids also get mocked for being into 2D or having husbandos (if they are serious about it).
>>110765014
>>110765022Nothing changed, they just formally write down on official channels homostars current statusBet they're so fucking proud of hiring brownies now
Imagine if Cover & Anycolor did the following trade:every single Holostar IP & contract for 1 SalomeFair deal?
God, finally. Only so much money you can pump into a branch that clearly the majority of people do not care about no matter what you try.Every day they gave the studio to them was a wasted day in the end, we would have benefitted more from them giving it to a holo girl.
NijiEN has LOWER viewers than the Holostars btw. If the Holostars are unprofitable, what does that say about NijiEN?
>>110766661anon that aruran stream is a special event
>>110766932Would salami even want to trade teams?
>>110766932A better deal would be Cover giving every single Holostar to Niji in exchange for 100 yen
This, despite all the preferential treatment they were getting? LOL
>>110766911Yeah this whole threads celebrating the stars destruction and to be honest I can't blame anon but I'm sitting here wondering "what is the gain from having them in stasis when firing them would be easier, even with Japanese labor laws accounted for", and I've still yet to come up with an answer to that question.Somehow Cover made the easiest win of their lives into a needlessly complicated procedure.
>>110765014HOLOLIVE IS KILLING ITSELF
>>110766902>I genuinely think if Vesper and Magni were still in the company this shit wouldn’t have happened.Vesper and Magni were never JP, thoughbeit
>>110766932give us Lulu instead
>>110766942Holostars can still use the studio, get lives, etc. before the announcement.This is them basically becoming like NijiEN.
>>110766935Im glad Cover finally grow a balls to do the right thingIm just sad that we lost alot for this to happen...
>>110766967Japanese companies don't fire people. They just put them in the menial tasks room until they quit.
>>110766945nah it's not, that's just a collab, which is like 50% of his content so it's not a special stream
>>110766955Depends. Do her bots come too?
>>110766989Holy ESL
>>110766990That's why I said>even with Japanese labor laws accounted for
>>110766967What the other guy said. You don't get outright fired with companies like this. They just withdraw all support and make your job miserable and soul crushing so you quit on your own and it looks amicable for both sides.
>>110766967As another anon pointed out early on in the thread, it's common for JP companies to not actually fire people but instead just make their working conditions impossible / give them useless things to do until they get the message and resign.
Holostar got axedNippleman got mini albumAhh a normal day
>>110766902Vesper and Magni were actively working to kill the company and siphon talent to vshojo and become part of Hasan's twitch clique Gunrun's ego killed their whole political machine before it could be born, ironic
>>110766861If that mattered, NijiJP wouldn't exist lol
>>110766990>Japanese companies don't fire people.>he says, in response to the japanese company that has fired multiple people
>>110767005anon literally yesterday he was getting 600
the only holostar i watch is Shinriis he going to be ok
>>110767020It's worse PR to axe the branch than to just have a trickle of graduations.
>>110766464Just because I don't have a personal relationship with war crime victims doesn't mean that I can't sympathize with them, or am not allowed to criticize the inhumane acts being done towards them
>>110767048whoops, meant for >>110766901
>>110767049The multiple times this has happened doesn't count okay
>>110767065It's only talking about JP, at least at the moment. But considering EN doesn't have the equivalent of Roberu I think it's only a matter of time until the same thing happens to EN too.
>>110766257why is the company itself your oshi?
>>110766433That's not something you need to wait until the very last moment to decide lol
>>110767065So far EN hasn't been mentioned, strangely. They're probably on thin ice though.
>It's only the JP branch being killedUnironically a nothingburger, StarsEN is still doing very well.
>>110767058...because that's a solo stream of a shitty game and not a sf6 collab?
>>110767012>grow a ballsis my favorite part. I'm gonna use that from now on. It reminds me of the AVGN letter.>No no dont take shits from anyone only GIVE shits and see futures in balls!https://youtu.be/jddgPgiNXGE
>>110767072Man, what a faggy response
Remember that right until the end they had a policy of forcing male collabs and damaging their female talents careers to control them
>>110767058Those numbers aren't exactly abnormal for him tho
>>110765317>new membersMore like holo have difficulty expanding management over there. New mem mean new managers, new training, assest and they don't see much potential for expansion
>>110767111
>>110767065https://x.com/josuijishinri/status/2039966791901024498
>>110765014A decisive victory for unicorns
>>110767048>>110767076A lot of things can be said about NijiJP fans (and the top NijiJPs are very clearly botted) but there's no denying it does actually make money. NijiJP is the only reason Anycolor's profits keep going up despite EN's revenue constantly trending downward.
How did his male chuubas succeed while Holostars failed?
>>110767140>anon doesn't know what a solidarity post isyeah
>>110766978Is it not affecting stars EN? (I genuinely don’t know)
>>110767126>4h stream>52 peakHOWThere's nothing consistent about his numbers. I've noticed that a lot with JPs for some reason. The box is real, I guess.
Meanwhile
>>110767158Nijimales are not constrained to idolshit and do not have the baggage of being the "male branch in idolshit"
>>110767070Worse PR for who? The only people who care about Stars are women, and those women are only going to be more pissed off festering for months and months after the public announcement that their favorite group is being treated like a dead tumor left to disintegrate on its own. If tumors even do that. I'm not a doctor.But I don't care, you don't care, stockholders don't care, even anti's don't care even more than they already don't care about any other thing they blow up, so it makes no sense not to just rip the bandaid off entirely.
>>110767140Out of everyone in both JP and EN, this guy feels like the biggest red flag ever but I can't discern why.
>>110767174They mentioned the 1st, 2nd, 3rd gens and uproar by name, but not tempus or vanguard for whatever reason. I feel like in a document like this you'd make that clear.
>>110767174Lol, this is at the very least like your next door neighbor's house burning down.
>>110766955This entire clip is basically Salome saying how much she wishes she was in Hololive: https://youtu.be/TDvckQOhPXE
>>110767152>NijiJP is the only reason Anycolor's profits keep going up despite EN's revenue constantly trending downward.And the only reason we know this is because Anycolor actually shows the breakdown by branch unlike Cover who has been hiding EN, ID and homo revenues by combining them with the original hololive.
>>110765496Diversity hire I see
>>110767179
>>110767197Anon, there are holos performing worse than the stars members. If they were willing to keep stars, then you'd assume the JP/ID girls were safeNow, though?
>just seen an Indo Niji fan saying they refuse to accept Holo fans calling other companies black when they do worse things????? Have they already forgotten what happened to NijiID?!
Having a vtuber avatar as a men is literally debuffing yourself, it makes you look gay, retarded and feminine. Only a niche of feminists, fujos and twittoids actually watched those homos. The only buff came with being in a corpo, and that will no longer be a thing, good riddance.
>>110766932Bring in Debi, Mao, and Lulu too.
>>110767012ESL-pointing wont change the reality for Homos though
>>110767174No, it only mentions "12 members"
>>110767152So why did NijiJP make money despite the anon claiming that it'd be impossible with those kinds of fans?
>>110767244Yeah they got merged in with the main branch and lost all support until they quit. Here the homos don't even get the "privilege" of being able to merge. So idk.
>>110765533If girls still loved men after men are down, most of us wouldn't be single
>>110767241>Anon, there are holos performing worse than the stars members.This has to be one of the most retarded posts in the thread.
>>110766490Mentioned what? Where?
>>110765014the end of an era is upon us
>>110767174As far as we're aware, it's only for JP. They haven't stated why. A big hopeful cope would be that the EN branch is doing better so they don't get cut but we shouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens for EN later down the line. I think it's just that the EN financials are probably separate and they make their own decision with some oversight so they're probably considering it later on.
>>110767304I'm sure Matsuri and Choco are perfectly safe after this announcement, anon.
>>110767244yes
>>1107655913rd worlder staffs are probably paid in peanuts too
These fags can go indie if they're so great. Girl graduates do just fine. Yagoo needed to tap into the chink fujo BFE audience if he wanted m*les to succeed, but it's way too late.
>>110767331What the fuck are you talking about?
>>110767179Oh wow they are in the subway it must mean they are popular!
>>110767281Are you retarded? Because there are at least enough NijiJP fans who DO spend money, that's the point. NijiJP fans are obnoxious too but enough of them at least actually put their money where their mouths are, Stars fans do not.
>>110765014lmao did they just realize? everyone and their mother knows the branch is financially unsustainable and has only relied on subsidies for years, better late than never, I guess.also AHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED
The reality is the western side of vtubing is more receptive to males, while /vt/ is delusionally coping that the schizophrenic seething retards here even matter to the industry. StarsEN is going to be fine and thriving.
>>110767357So I guess the fans aren't really a factor then
>>110766162the only space theyre renting is the one in your head, for free
>>110767360Are they tho? If shareholders are willing to cut off the jp branch I don't see what's stopping them for going for the next lowest earners.
>>110767383HOMOSEETHE
>>110767360Somehow he's still doing well I guess, but I don't know who else.
>>110765598Just watch male streamer, they can do everything male vtuber can, except fujo bait
>>110767360>The reality is the western side of vtubing is more receptive to malesMaybe so, but not the hololive loving part. If I wanted to watch men I'd watch nijisanji or whatever other place. Why would I go to hololive for that out of all places?
>>110767380Okay so I guess you are retarded then.
>>110765706>studio stellar>holo starsit's all coming together
>>110767179>>110767227if male nijis can thrive, why can't homos?that's right, homos are talentless and very boring.
>>110766932>Hey Nijisanji, the black company that I despise, I hereby admit one of your talent is really, really, REALLY good and we're really jealous so can we please have her? Pretty, pretty, pretty pleeeeeeease?Once again, Holo faggots manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in what is supposed to be a positive news day for them.
>>110765598Northernlion
>>110767178Youtube pajeet coding
>>110767392It's a slippery slope at that point. When would they consider the cutoff? Why bother investing in anybody else when Suisei, Miko, or Pekora makes more than half of them combined?
>>110767343They have to also be in japan so they get paid japanese wages.
>>110765616>she'll soon quitWhy? She found a western guy who would marry her out of the country?
So what will actually change? Will they not show up in concerts anymore?
>>110767244At least NijiID could say their members could collab within the company, can't believe I'm giving them props for that.
>>110767360If that was true HomoEN would be 4view instead of 3view shitters
>>110765598No, most good male entertainers on the internet are either full flesh or zero flesh. Absolutely no reason to use an anime avatar.
>>110767249Aethel and Heavenlyfather don't have this problem.
>>110767454Nothing, realistically.They weren't getting any of that before either. A few will probably leave though.
Is HoloEarth still a thing?That'd be kinda funny.
>>110765014I never liked them but this feels like a canary just died in the coal mine.
>>110767469Who and who?
>>110765617He flirted and played along with women really well. He'll be fine
>>110765014Oh no we have to save dubais! Everyone please donate NOW!
>>110767440No, that's stupid. The other girls are part of the ecosystem and have their own large audiences, partly filling niches that those three don't and partly overlapping with them, selling more merch and tickets either way. Stars just don't sell shit period, they're a net drain on the company.
>>110767469That's because they're both actual brotubers.
>>110767454At least nothing for Roberu (successful enough), Temma (Holostars is his side job) and Oga (Already rich enough)
>>110767484If only.
>>110767454No live performancs/concerts, voice packs, company events, studio time, animations (lol), merch (including anniversary and birthday stuff), and songs. For all intents and purposes they've essentially been fired.
>>110767489>Aethel My homie>Heavenlyfather My nigga
>>110765014>HolizontalDEAD>HomosDEADIt took them a while to realize that an ALL-FEMALE IDOL GROUP doesn't need eSports and male idols to thrive.
>>110767420Even Nijis are just a speck compared to the biggest make streamers. burnt peanut showed that there's an audience, male vtubers do not have an excuse
>>110767510>The other girls are part of the ecosystem and have their own large audiences>largeDo they though? Why invest in Aki when the same money could go into Pekora? What's the point in helping Roboco get a merch deal when it could go to Okayu?
>>110767510To be fair there are absolutely girls who fill absolutely zero part of any holoecosystem. If Matuli or Aki graduated tomorrow the impact left in their wake would be gone within the month.
>>110767568Peanut's fans are made up entirely of vtuber antis.
>>110767585You could make this argument for all but three members
>>110766073Kek
>>110767530So nothing changed, got it.
>>110767568Burnt peanut is literally botted and an industry plant by the LA Twitch clique.
>You should've stayed on your lane
>>110766102Yeah, they are yagoo's pet project
>>110767596That's quite literally the point, anon. The top 5-20 members make nearly as much as the entire rest of the company. What's the point in keeping the rest of the chaff when you could earn back several times your investment by focusing on just those girls?
>>110767611>LA Twitch clique.Im pretty sure Asmon and xqc put a tab on it
>>110767614>on your laneAnon-chama please learn eigo
>>110765014constant decline after shinove left...holo too, after a-chan left, though a bit slower. mel was a canary in the mine too.
>>110766129Because he can openly shit on management from now on. What can they do? Fire him?
>>110767596Not even remotely but continue to post, we always need more retards to mock.
>>110767651Rushia was the canary
>>110767420BECAUSEHOLO FANSDO NOTWANT TO WATCHMENWhy do you not understand?
Too bad. These dudes picked the wrong civilization. Why so stubborn for so many years instead of just quitting like 3, 4 years ago? They could be popular like these guys. Yagoo should be shamed as well, he ruined these dudes' careers with his lie.https://youtu.be/qJL8EAhUssY
>>110767614You should've learned English.
>>110767660Rushia was the rickety shaft that caved in and killed 3 men that should've been dealt with years ago
at least we are now free from ntr
>>110767547And then what, compete in the same market as AKB48, Idolmaster, and Love Live?
>>110767469Fucking who?
>>110767660Yeah she should have just been forgiven for going on one of the biggest JP dramafag's stream and leaking shit, as well as trying to throw her coworkers under the bus. Definitely.
so is Holostars EN doing better financially than JP?
>>110767689>blocks you're path
>>110767584Because endless investment does not guarantee endless returns. They're already giving the big girls all the investment they want. A big part of Hololive's appeal is the large cast, like im@s or love live.
Delusional fujos crying on twitter that they just didn't get a CHANCE>Took over 3d studios so much that they wouldn't even let the biggest talents record their graduation 3d>Got 3d lives>Got 3d animated series>Got forced collabs to promote them>Got events like HLZNTL where they behaved so poorly they killed it instantly >Had hololive accounts run by activists promoting them 10x as much as the female talents >Had their 3d lives pinned to the front of Reddit and then locked the Reddit so nothing could be posted to push them down INCLUDING FEMALE TALENTS BIRTHDAY They were given so much more than they deserved and they did so much damage that will never be recovered, they basically killed the industry and they STILL want more
>>110767672If only Nijisanji sold most of their female talents to Hololive...
>>110766397She was never smart to begin with. I pity her
>>110766932>every single Holostar IP & contract for 1 Salome>Fair deal?Give us Lulu and a future First Round Pick, and it's a deal
>>110767660I still find myself watching her even if the circumstances behind her departure were rough.None of the girls Hololive has put out since her termination will ever hold a candle to Rushia.
>>110767691NTA but the implication that any of those are even remotely doing well is fucking hilarious, proseka alone mogs the idol games and AKB48 has been on a decline for longer than they've been around. They're like Square Enix; everyone knows their name and they're practically the godfathers of the craft but they couldn't hold onto the flame forever and others are doing everything they're doing but better.
>>110767723Cover couldn't afford them.
>>110767705What fucking fujos? Its a bunch of literal fags and trannies. Even Shinri had to tell them to fuck off because they creeped him out with their moronic flirting.
>>110765151So Holostars is just functionally an indie group
>>110767584>What's the point in helping Roboco get a merch dealWhy do you hate machinery?
>>110767697My homie, and my nigga
>>110767689they havent graduated yet (but probably will soon at this point)
>>110767704>Because endless investment does not guarantee endless returns.Then again the question becomes at what point is someone going to be considered too small to keep? If Yagoo couldn't even keep his pet project protected, what's keeping any of the underperformers safe?
>>110766490Yeah, anyone think en branch will get better treatment than jp is delusional
>>110767674>>110767646Will the Cover announcement disappear if I grammatically correct it?
>>110767705>Got events like HLZNTL where they behaved so poorly they killed it instantlyI agree with most of these points except this one. It isn't their fault they got put into a game with women and mogged them.
>>110767779Yes retard, I just explained that they're part of the appeal. Stars are not.
>>110767584seven years ago, their most unpopular vtubers were Suisei, Miko and Subaru.
>>110767705They are just deluded, the homos had been given way more chances than they deserved
>>110767705Holozontal dying was a strictly good thing. Hope Holoearth's next.
>>110767704>They're already giving the big girls all the investment they want.No they're not.
>>110767705>fujos>twitterthey are literal beggars that don't even watch homos. i looked at a couple and they never posted about homos except when it relates to holos.
>>110767774Yesn't. They aren't receiving help from the company but still need to adhere to their rules and regulations. And Cover still gets their cut from whatever it is that they make from YT donations/memberships.
Roberu won
>>110767705I just saw thisHow hard is it for them to understand that doing this will not do the Stars any good but will absolutely harm Hololive instead?
>>110767804Anon, you still haven't explained why it's important to keep every single girl that's under performing. You don't need 97 girls to make an ecosystem. Hell, 20 is more than enough and you'd barely lose anything. Keep 40 and you still have 90% of the income while shaving off a fuckton of costs.
>>110767784here is why you're wrong
>>110766583They aren't idols, so it wouldn't work
>>110767830They're already begging for Suisei's studio to take them.
>>110765408>Aggression towards Hololive viewers made them just not being interested with Holostars even more.It's amazing that Stars can be simultaneously fractionally as popular, dogged on and hated by the Hololive fanbase from day one, AND somehow the aggressor victimizing the poor Hololive fans
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>>110765014>>110765384I'm not particularily surprised, but the >no 3d studioseems pretty extreme. I mean they already have the studio, is them using it really an issue? The whole thing seems a bit extreme in general. I feel like they could have just shrunk the management team instead to cut the costs.
>>110766803>twice as popular as VoltactionThe Voltaction YT channel has 856k subsWhat are those two newer male groups that are twice as popular?VΔLZ with its 231k subs?3SKM with its 411k subs?Splare with its 122k subs?>>110766822How is that doing well? 444k subs and she debuted 2.5 years ago. Literally all of FLOW GLOW is above her.
>>110767660there was no graduation rush after rushia's termination.after mel's, there was.then there are still internal leakers that they can't find even after they terminate her. baka
>>110766583wtf is that unit yashikizu is in? I only barely found out about cellmates and promptly ignored it because it's bringing nothing new but his group is basically rebagachadaipan but even more sex
>>110767849How hard is it for you to understand that these people do not really care about Hololive.
>>110767834Ah, it's the worst of both worlds!
>>110766955Why not? She doesn't seem to like male collab
>>110767858Because those girls still turn a profit and are good for the company's vibe and morale. Your low IQ attempt at corporate logic is laughable.
>>110765014Homos and sisters owed all this for their "You don't need to watch stream or buy merch, watching clips will be enough to support HoloStars" attitude.
>>110767528Huh, it's the first times i heard Oga is rich?
>>110767913NTA but subs in JP rarely mean much for whatever reason. A lot of the girls you'd expect to be really popular either haven't even reached 1m or only reached it very recently. Hell, I remember checking that last year Niji (all branches) had 8 members above 1m. And 2 of them were graduated.
>>110767683kek
>>110767727How about trading Yoiyume for Holostars.
>>110767961A lot of them use holostars as a hobby or side gig rather than a full time career.
>>110767920nevermind found it, ultimate creatorsreminds me i should check back in with seitokai
>>110766583no bro, hololive would have fucking collapsed if yagoo let that happen
Cope and Seethe.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room
>>110766967>"what is the gain from having them in stasis when firing them would be easier, even with Japanese labor laws accounted for", and I've still yet to come up with an answer to that question.PR basicallyCover stands to lose more face by mass firing everyone of them, so instead they've just put them in a unfavorable situation where the logical conclusion is to quit and the company can't really be blamed for that
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>>110767795Anon you are painfully unemployed.I could absolutely not the shit out of my 63 year old boss when we play tennis but embarrassing him that badly would make him look bad.
>>110767891Nta and I don't have an issue with Stars themselves, or most of those that actually watch them. There's no denying though that the majority of so called starmin on twitter and elsewhere are actually people who just watch hololive girl clips but beg for stars collabs and shit on other hololive fans because they want to "own the incels" and engage in culture war nonsense.
>>110767946>Because those girls still turn a profit and are good for the company's vibe and morale.Oh you sweet, summer child... The stars had virtually nothing put into them and still got axed. Girls like roboco actively get used in projects and given opportunities that could've gone to far more productive girls. It's just a matter of time before the investors come for them now.
>>110767584Because Holo tries to sell the illusion that “everyone will receive equal opportunities, so don’t give up,” which the smaller talents and their fans both bit the same bait alike. And when it came true, like Azki’s sudden rise among other cases, it boosted other fandoms’ morale to keep up supporting their talents. And the real winner? Cover. From putting in minimal, but consistent support to everyone.
>>110765384bruh not even voice packs anymore, that's like the lowest production cost highest margin thing they could ever sell. lmao it really is fucking over
>>110765022Holostars is essentially kill because male vtubers are awful, menhera, unfunny sex pests and nobody wants them anywhere near Hololive. tl;dr unicorns fucking won.
>>110767664"Holofans" don't even watch Hololive, so no difference there.
>>110767462Huh, nothing in the announcement said they can't. It's just whether there's still any girls who wants to collab with them.
>>110767891Why? You can be both and that happens IRL in several other cases too>>110765553>As result Hololive gain an audience that have zero fucking interest in male vtubers, as opposed to Niji for exampleHomoEN had a good period of time where they did decently well - not nearly Holo level but would've put them ahead of anything but top NijiEN (and ahead of current NijiEN). Then they started making retarded comments and being menhera (i.e: the Vesper's suspension due to, as per his own admission, being a menhera towards either another member or his manager)I actually gave Vesper and Altare a chance for a few months, but that essentially killed all my interest.
>>110767912It makes sense from a business perspective. Studios, even the simple 3D studio, use the same resources no matter who's using them. Why would you let a Star use one when a random holo 3D karaoke stream can do numbers beyond what any Star can do?Besides, Stars can still use outside 3D studios like every other indie.
Finally, Roberu can marry whoever he wants now.
>>110768011>got nothing put into themThey got all this shit >>110767705 and were still a net loss you retarded sister. What opportunities specifically did Roboco get at the expense of other girls?
>>110768025They'll soon axe HoloID without fanfare. And then, fire some of the laziest talents from Hololive EN and JP.
>>110767994do holostars even get paid a base salary or anything? I remember some of the hololive girls mentioned they get paid a ok amount to help them get by while waiting for monetization or if their channel gets suspended for whatever reason. it would be pretty fucked but not surprising if they also cut that as well
>>110767601They still got a stage and merch for last expo, next year they aren't even gonna get that
>>110768001Nta but so what? The goal was for competitive play and they didn't have enough people who could be competitive and included people who would be flame magnets. The whole thing top to bottom was a fucking retarded idea on quite possibly every level. Hell, not even VSPO is safe from this, and their whole schtick is allegedly being the esports group.
>>110765014We need to support them now more than ever
>>110768011>The stars had virtually nothing put into them and still got axed.Why post such a blatant lie? They got tons of stuff >>110767705And they deserved nothing
>>110768001Sounds like something a loser would say.You could have been that boss by now.Instead you caved like the little bitch you are.Always a follower, never a leader. And he knows you are a little bitch underling, that's the best part.
>>110768066Is he gonna marry Bae?
>>110768070Sure thing xis. They'll axe the branch that just sold out a concert and the "lazy" ENs that get merch sales and supas just by existing.
>>110767913>How is that doing well? 444k subs and she debuted 2.5 years ago. Literally all of FLOW GLOW is above her.Her views are decent. I guess it's above 5k CCV. That's almost as good as it gets for post-COVID debuts.
>>110768097That's probably an ENstars watcherENstars watcher don't fucking care about the JPstars
The amount of people right now calling Cover a black company upsets me. This waters down the term and I fucking hate them for it. It's the same shit that happened to nazi, cuck, incel, and whatever else. Means nothing anymore and won't when we actually need it to mean something in the future.
>>110768092I've already reXitted the Hashtag. We'll save Holostars
>>110767992holy
I understand not allocating funding if they're not getting good or any returns but manNot even letting them use the studio? That's fucking cold, even the shittiest of niji shitters were entitled to that much.
>>110768113>They'll axe the branch that just sold out a concertthey literally just did tho
Astel said that other Holostar members didn't show up to management meetings and this is part of the reason why this is happening.
>>110768132What did they sell out?
>>110768113Sold-out concert my ass! HoloID is pretty much lonely at the top, while the likes of MAHA5 and AKA Virtual are floundering.With the current economic state of Indonesia, Cover Corp might also pull out the plug.
>>110768011>The stars had virtually nothing put into themUntrue. >given opportunities that could've gone to far more productive girls.None that would've cost Hololive anything (even opportunity cost would be arguable). And Hololive actually has popular girls who will stand up for less popular ones (who still make miles ahead of homo, just saying). No one that matters will defend homostars
>>110768131it's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_roomthey're essentially already fired
>>110768124Yeah, Cover's a black company for other reasons, like the fact that every single member is a contractor rather than an employee which means they get almost no benefits and completely screws up their tax reports.
>>110768130It's funny as fuck how all the Homos are crying about how it's all fucking over but then there's Roberu who just used this announcement to shill his new costume, upcoming butt sumo 3d tournament, and a whole bunch of other shit he has planned for the rest of the year lmfao
>>110768131Anon the studio is a very finite resource that all branches want to use. If they give the studio to holostars for a month in the year that's one month the holo girls who are actually popular cannot use it, resulting in less holo girl 3D lives and other such events from it.
look man i don't really care about holostars JPI just want like the one or two holostarsEN I watch to be okayplease tell be they'll be ok
>>110768184NYO
Black company desu
>>110768130The fact that they had access to all of that for years without being able to do anything with it is a testament how shitty the homostars were
>>110768164>they'll axe a profitable branch because... other companies in the region aren't profitableBrilliant
>>110767212Subaru is really powerful. She can talk to anyone from niji and get along just fine. Most holo stick with a few niji friends they have
>>110768092Increase likes on tweets!Increase amount of tweets!Increase the whining about unicorns!Increase the seething about Holo girls!Increase clip views!Increase everything except Homos stream numbers!
>>110768184They'll maybe be fine for another 6 months to a year. But eventually cover is gonna go back and finish trimming off the rest of the fat.
>>110768157StarsJP had one live concert that they sold out. Pretty sure it's the only one they ever got, which is surprising for what was supposed to be an idol group.
Its about goddamn time. If after 7 fucking years the biggest thing on your CV is that you managed to convince a couple of the girls to collab with you then yeah you're living on very borrowed time. I wonder if Shiori is consoling poor innocent Jurard right now. Maybe even some brick related fun to help cheer him up. Poor poor Jurard :((((
>>110768175To be fair, Roberu is the only stars who has ever been relevant for anything more longer than a fart in the wind. There's literally nothing they can do to him outside of firing him.
>>110768124Cover is worse than a black company - it's American. It's all just managers diddling managers.They exploded sideways and bloated their staff to the point that several talents literally quit citing that as a reason and several others constantly mention how different things are while half-way away from crying, mentioning how lonely things feel at times, how many barriers there are between each other, etc.Shit man even Luna recently sounded like she was reading off a fucking script when saying she'd not be mentioning Kanata going forward. (no doubt she is reincarnating somewhere with how harsh a shutdown it was)
>>110768202wtf i didn't know Cover was based
>>110767648fresh thread up
>>110768131Holostars took over the 3d studio so much that they prevented multiple massive talents from recording 3d graduationsThey should have been shot on sight for that, let alone ever being allowed to use it again
>Suisei stuff>Now thisBros, is Hololive slowly collapsing right before our eyes?
>>110768164The next ones getting the plug pulled will likely be these people
>>110765014AAAAAAAA I WILL KMS
>>110768114But that's the thing. "Well" for Nijisanji girls is like, the very bottom of Hololive girls outside of Mito, HSKW, and Sanbaka basically. It's not really well at all, the bar is just so low for the other girls that it seems better than it is.
>>110768222Apparently not many of them wanted to bother with doing a second one.
>>110768124Banishment room IS black company tactic.Cover should've just fired all of them like what every other normal companies do for under-performing employees.
>>110767281Niji took the market of variety streamer in jp. It's impossible to overtake them with the same way
I don't think the Holostars JP had any chance when the boys at Nijisanji have established a far more bigger fanbase. Keep in mind that this would never have happened if Cover didn't go public. This is also a clear warning for lower performing Holomem to do more work or end up like them. Ayame comes up to my mind.
>>110768222That shit was 5 years ago, I'm talking about recent events. They don't sell shit now.
>>110768131Studio is the most expensive among what they could get, anon. Even more so when it's at the same level as Cover studio.For references: Kiara said in '24 that when she tried to look into it, a (1) recoding session in an external studio at similar level to Cover's would've costed her several tens of thousands EU$, close to 6 figures. >even the shittiest of niji shitters were entitled to that much.For personal uses? Not really, or you'd have had 3D live from Niji almost everyday
>>110768070HoloID has the monopoly of ID vtubers, if that market ever grows, they're already settled, plus, they're EN lite, so they also get their audience after events (like how Kaela got popular after collabing with Gura)
>>110768175best holostar
>>110768222the 2nd act didn't sell out? It was in a pretty small venue
>>110765598I only watch males if they use a female avatar with big tiddies
>>110765710qrd? why did it flop?
>>110768256ID isn't doing too hot and it's unlikely that they'll be ignored for much longer once they get rid of the homos.
>>110768175My son stays winning.
>>110768255this unironically makes hololive stronger by allowing their resources to be better distributed
>>110768342According to both roberu and astel it didn't seem like they had any resources to begin with.
>>110767584Because it will make those big names too prideful they won't improve themselves
Fubuki's immediate reaction?
>>110768255Holoearth already killed the company It's like having failing internal organs, already past the point it could be saved
>>110767961He own 100% orange juice, that's money printing machine
>>110767637This will lead to talents sabotage each other to survive
>>110768368no war in ba sing se
>>110768368https://x.com/shirakamifubuki/status/2039987708433736189
>>110768333If a 3view indie like Kanna can put a down payment on a house in frickin Norway, I think the IDs are doing fine. It's not purely about CCV.
>>110768368She was hanging out in Roberu's chat asking if she could join this year's 3D Butt Sumo tournament.
>>110768382Fucking whatSeriously? He's involved with that game?
>>110768368She's talking about Roberu's ass or something
>>110765259>When will Hololive kill their Indonesian branch?Never because unlike the Homostars the ID branch has an audience and makes money. Keep seething though.>>110765682The least successful Hololive member is orders of magnitude more successful than the entirety of the Homostar branch. Cover never saw a return on their investment in the boys but Yagoo was content to waste time and money on them forever because it was one of his pet projects. He couldn't keep getting away with it once shareholders got involved though. None of the girls will ever be effected by anything like this because Cover actually profits from them.
>>110768089NTA either, but that goal wasn't "for competitive play". The goal was to shill the game, to show that it was the game everyone can enjoy including noobs.You don't see complaining about males stomping females in all those APEX VTuber tournaments because people expected them to be competitive. That HLZTL sponsorship? Not quite.
>>110768332It didn't, it's just sisters using screenshots from the expo floor looking empty while the Fes concerts were going as "proof" that the fes flopped (nevermind the Fes sold out)
>>110768281>Keep in mind that this would never have happened if Cover didn't go publicI've always said that Cover going public never mattered seeing how poorly they treat their investors, but for once, IF this truly was the result of them going public, then I can only be thankful that happened
FUN FACT>ESL-Policing wont change the fact that HOLOSTARS will be gone soon
>>110768071>do holostars even get paid a base salary or anything? I remember some of the hololive girls mentioned they get paid a ok amount to help them get by while waiting for monetization or if their channel gets suspended for whatever reason.Yeah, from I understand everyone in Holo get paid a base salaryBut I doubt it's equal across the board
>>110768404He fucking made the game
>>110768404Yeah, he's the main dude behind the doujin game circle Orange Juice.That's also how Miko ended up being in it by the by.
>>110768438Are you fucking serious? Fuck I'll start supporting him now. I've been playing that shit since I had to use fucking hamachi to get it to work.
>>110768368Friend might be a saviorfag but she knows well what can't be salvaged (and can't be salvaged for a good reason). She isn't going to piss other Hololive girls off to defend a bunch who doesn't want to improve themselves
>>110767867En women always complain about lack of support. Fwmc, mori had to move to jp for support. EN even lost their golden shark
>>110768455Too late, lol
>>110768255Cover has been dying for years, this is just the result of the internal rot reaching the surface. (along with the talents that all quit recently)They spread themselves too thin, hired too many useless nepo-fucker staff to do useless jobs, just like any company when they get too big.They are trying to become a huge media producer. Hololive itself is secondary to that.This is the kind of mentality that has taken over the company >>110767637One day I fully expect Hololive to shut its doors and for Cover to shift back to hardware and software solutions for VR, like they started out. They lucked out in Hololive blowing up thanks tot he christmas miracle, gen3 and Coco.But they arguably no longer need any of them, in the most cold and realistic sense.
>>110768400Kanna has a Patreon with 500+ paid members in addition to any YouTube revenue. Kanna also has a lot of paypigs because she does GFE ASMR. She's about as far away from HoloID as it gets.
>>110768382Thats greatWhy is he on Holostars then?
>>110768455Just look for the main dev of the game on youtube and compare the voice.
>>110767961Fbk's cousin, I heard someone said so
>>110768471Doesn't have to be through cover. I'll follow even if he goes indie now
>>110768426the stars booth was totally deserted every time I passed by it thoughI felt kinda badI think their panels did alright though
>>1107683202nd act didnt, it was also with covid regulations. 3rd act did sell out though
>>110768255?Both are good things so I don't get what you meant
>>110768475>Cover has been dying for years>Still ahead of its financial prediction and still growingYou mean "HOLOSTARS has been dying for years" right?
>>110768486Because he wanted to try the vtubing thing?
>>110768508>moneymoneymoneyThis is why Cover has been dying for years.
>>110768486he's a huge fucking idol otaku
>>110768124Not black company would terminate group and give them their IPs and channels. But cover doesn't want to create precedence.
>>110768475Nijifriend...
>>110768368She probably knew this day would come
>>110768508>Still ahead of its financial predictionWas that true the last year? I saw investors selling because they didn't reach the expectations.
>>110768486Oga is cool but he's also one of those folks that are just kinda coasting by.In his case he's just not really interested in growing his channel and chasing numbers. He makes the most random bullshit experimental content he can think of with zero regard to if it gets viewers or turns a profit for himself or the company, he does it because he has fun doing it.Being a Homo is a hobby for him. Just watch some of his 3D streams to get a rough idea of what I'm talking about, his last anniversary 3D was basically him inviting a bunch of other vTubers and having them LARP being in a sitcom with laugh tracks and shit
>>110765014Final fucking ly. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls gave them the ultimatum of either cutting Homos off or they walked. The pro-homo group in Cover management had all the chances not to screw the girls over to shill homos and they didn't take it
>>110768553NTA, but investors' expectation is different from the company's projections.
>>110765696Careful what you wish for...
>>110768131>Not even letting them use the studio?They don't deserve to use the studio. They never did. Letting them take studio time away from the girls was always a mistake and now it's finally being corrected.
>>110768434>But I doubt it's equal across the boardI wouldn't be surprised if it's just the minimal wage in Japan for everyone, since it isn't their main source of income anyway.
>HATE MARKETING WO->ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKLMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>110768600do ID next
>>110768570>his last anniversary 3D was basically him inviting a bunch of other vTubers and having them LARP being in a sitcom with laugh tracks and shithttps://www.youtube.com/live/JRSSTYsp3Mg?si=9xLbu_elXGTcpcoA&t=2236it also had a fighting scene where he slapped around laplus a bunch lmao
>>110768598Nah, Cover actually had projections that they couldn't achieve. They still had profits tho, but investors didn't like that and started to sell.
>>110765542It has been confirmed numerous times that talents pay for their own travel expenses.
>>110765581Dead subs don't mean anything. Kobo's growth was explosive(even faster than Gura's) but she stalled out hard and lost most of her popularity.
>>110768642>HATE MARKETING WORKS!!
>>110768475>This is the kind of mentality that has taken over the companyWell it looks like Cover is starting to unfuck itself now. Their decision to finally stop wasting money on the Homos bodes extremely well for their future.
>>110768694Marine has turned out exactly the same too.
>>110766656No, this is them leaving the decision to the talents if they wanna leave or not. They presented the terms loud and clear.
>>110766220Didn't Astel complain about the indolence in is branchmates? How he wanted to do shit but they just wanted to coast and leech and that it was almost impossible to organize any group shit?
Shit that should have happened years ago.
>>110768747You'll be saying the same when they take the axe to everyone else until nobody is left."Fan of the company, not the talents."
>>110768803Astel is male Flare. He complains about anything and everything.
>>110767200Brown sex pest
>>110765682>>110765841You kinda already saw it with what happened to Mel, I doubt Pekora or Miko or Marine would have gotten the axe if they found themselves in a similar situation.
>>110766069This line of argument don't work because one simple Google will give you the exact same resultUNLESS you can show him how wrong that AI summary was
>>110768475>hired too many useless nepo-fucker staff to do useless jobs, just like any company when they get too big.ThisPic related, they had "praise me for my useless projects" end of year staff meetings
>>110765259The IDs are fine. There are even ID made holo merchs now.
>>110768918>made in indonesia>only 2 people shown are ID
>>110768918Do they clean them before shipping?
>>110765994the management side of Studio Stellar is made by NERD inc.
>>110768872That's just your schizophrenic headcanon.
>>110766111
>>110768938And? Suisei still gets resources from Cover in a greater capacity than any other talent.
>>110768907This reminds me of how awful Mojang became after a while.The company started out great, doing loads of stuff for Minecraft, then they got taken over by time-wastey shit and time-wastey people.Now they are making April Fools updates that typically have more features added to them than the entire fucking years worth of updates.I hosted servers on that game since servers were possible, 500-700 odd people being a high average for one server. We stopped when the XBL integration got forced. Fuck Microsoft and Mojang, and fuck Cover as well. When companies get to this level, they are always shit.
>>110768835Well my oshi doesn't interact with the homos so why should I give a fuck?
>>110768786>decisionLet's be honest here anon, Cover is implicitly firing them. They realistically can't keep vtubing if they have to pay for everything out of their own pockets. Which is delicious poetic irony because now DA BOYS are being confronted with the fact that they're a lost cause and a money pit. For years that was Cover's problem but now its their problem.
>>110767469>>110767513It's because Aethel and Heavenly leech from big female vtubers in the indie scene. Aethel's channel is pretty much Nyan's second channel, and Heavenly is constantly showing up in female vtuber's chats so that he can insert himself in their streams.
>>110768996Your oshi won't exist in a couple years at the rate they are going.Multiple talents already regularly bring up how stressed and burned out they are, how lonely things feel, how different things are.The smart ones quit earlier.
>>110765014DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
>>110769031Sure thing, sis.
>>110768954Anon, Irys doxed her manager and leaked test videosNene leaked every member of her gen and their past livesIf leaking info was graduation worthy they'd have been gone
>>110768979I was correcting that. HER managers aren't Cover employees. don't move the goalpost.
>>110769049Enjoy your oshis while they last.I dropped Hololive way back after the Holocaust and their horrible handling of the HoloCN drama.The shit they did to Subaru still pisses me off.
>>110769059You made half of that up and have no idea what Mel leaked.
>>110769092>and their horrible handling of the HoloCN dramaAh, you're one of those. What's next, you're gonna tell me Aloe's graduation was Cover and holofan's fault?
>>110765277the males hae more views than most of holoidman i wish they would stop holoid from doing concert stuff, it is fucking insane that they get equal stage time to holoen and somehow holoidliyrally no one watches holoid
>>110769092Hello chink
>>110768918They are also selling those official merchs in the biggest bookstore chain in Indonesia now, not just online. So they are definitely in a better position than Holostars.
>>110766619Wasn't he fired for gambling addiction or something?
>>110765841>Cover were the ones that suggested Studio Stellar to SuiseiWhen and where was this said?
>>110769073NTA but>HER managers aren't Cover employees.NERD is literally under Cover's umbrella, they're Cover employees all but name only lol
>>110769031The Homos getting kicked to the curb results in more resources for the girls. Cover just became a better company to work for and my oshi will be happier moving forward. Seethe.
>>110769146Suisei's collab with Tamaki.
>>110769112The fuck are you on about retard?Aloe graduation was because her life was a fucking disaster, even if that drama with her shitty niji-antis attacking her didn't happen, her life would have still fucking imploded.Her personal life was a ticking timebomb and it blew up spectacularly. That shit was going to happen in or out of Hololive.
Youre welcome
>>110768043nijisanji is only kept afloat because of kuzuha and the projects that he's in, on the other hand nijisanji suffers heavily from awful female menhera like meiro and selen, probably a dichotomy of management, hololive has very strict retard wrangling management which is required when dealing with women but men hate that shit because men hate getting told what to do and eventually go mad, while nijisanji's management is very loose, which males like but women will go mad if they're not kept in check 24/7
>>110769157For your sake, and theirs, I hope so.But you're deluding yourself - the only ones that matter are the shareholders now and this signals that very clearly to anyone that isn't a pubescent perma-NEET.
>>110769165At least you're not THAT retarded.
>>110768918they should ditch the indonesian branch, no one but indonesians watch them
>>110769130Shut up, esl
>>110768271>Banishment room IS black company tactic.It's what they did to coco back in the day so nothing new there
>>110769203i'm not esl i'm jjust typing with the pinky on one hand because every other finger is covere in cum and i am too lazy to wah my hands
>>110768998>They realistically can't keep vtubing if they have to pay for everything out of their own pockets.Why not, just start a stream and play a game?You don't need massive funds to do that.If you want to do 3D streams, that's another thing, but show me an indie vtuber who has their viewership and do 3D lives, especially the high quality ones that they got.
>>110765112based
>Homostars is killGood riddance.
>>110769092Who do you watch now?
>>110765353>except they don't show up at HoloFesI've only been to two fes', but from what I can remember glancing over at the emptier spots at the expo and the messe hallway, the stars stuff seemed to amount to a couple of signed standees. Maybe they had bigscreen time in the expo theater but I wasn't watching.
>>110769191>the only ones that matter are the shareholders nowAnd thank god for the shareholders because if it weren't for them then Yagoo would still be wasting money on the Homos. They're reigning Cover in and pressuring them to drop some of their stupider ideas.
>>110769209Them murdering any momentum she had was disgusting.Made doing AsaCoco infinitely harder while she was already (ab)using sleeping pills to try keep up with the level of effort she was putting in organizing it.Shit she probably did more for the company than most of the shitty managers they have hired now.
>>110767867You do realize you can't buy shit with 15 yen, right? A yen is the equivalent of a cent.
>>110765821There's still plenty of indies and small corpo girls who will fawn over them for the brand
>>110768490you're gonna have to post a direct link because I keep searching and I only videos from fruitbatwho for some reason pretend like they're the developers? I'm confused
>>110769209>It's what they did to coco back in the day so nothing new thereNah Coco was basically made radioactive by chinks, everyone was basically forced to stay away her cause they'd get hit with spambotsPeople memoryhole that she was regularly doing collabs though out the spring/summer of 2021 until she graduated
>>110768803they debuted in 2019 and were in a perfect spot to ride the 2020 western tourist wave but only two of them actively tried to grow. It really is a "bought bitcoin once, selled immediately" moment for them. I guess there is an entire field of dead vtubers like that like Kizuna being squandered and irrelevant by 2020, or Kana or Hana being early EN adopters and then ruining it for themselves. But for Stars they were in a corpo that needed results, what were they doing these last 7 years?
>>110769294So when they dropping their shitty metaverse project?That's surely costing way more than anything put towards Holostars.
>>110765469>>110765900>>110767912I get it. Opportunity cost. Letting a holo use it or even renting it out full price to some random indie would net them more profit.>>110768037This is baffling. Voice packs can be recorded at home, EN girls far from Japan do this often. This is like Cover saying "we don't want even a cent of easy money". They want them to just go away.
>>110769198they aren't nijisanji
>>110765384Thats genuinely so fucking sad bro. They really just Nijisanji ID'd them
>>110769092
>>110769368based
>>110767244They forgotten that niji management burn all their fans letter (not even joking) and keep all their play button.
>>110766848>Can't wait for WW3My friend, you can not even begin to imagine what a warzone is actually like. However awful your life might be, I can promise you there's a 95% chance you'd be *begging* for that back if a global conflict actually broke out.Also for all the complaining about GFE being destroyed, Hololive and all the other male pandering agencies are gonna go on just fine so I don't understand your enthusiasm for bread lines or not having running water.
>>110765408>if not the Kronii, Shiori, other girls and Redditors probably this would not happen.Wrong this would've still happened no one wants to watch guys ffs, it would have just postponed the inevitable it certainly didn't helped that some of the of the Homofags were just gloating about being able to talk and collab with the girls like a creep sexpests and girls just wanted to be unique and different and be a homo-collaber it just made things burn quicker because if you keep building that animosity it would've just exploded at some point, it really can't be overstated how horrible of a fuck up would've been if Hololive went the fucking Kurosanji route and promoted mixed collabed thank god we're still have some kind of competence in management and chose the only right chose and is stop trying this retarded male push,>NO ONE WANTS TO FUCKING WATCH MALES JUST FUJOS W TOO MUCH FREE TIME!
>>110769253At her cost..
>>110765014OOOOH Hold up hold up NOW >THISmakes SOOOO much more sense KEK
>>110769155No they aren't. You cannot be this retarded after everyone including Suisei spelled it out for you.
>>110769448Yes but no, she would have had the perfect escape plan here but then appeared in roberus chat just earlier to go "let's do 3d together ok!"
>>110767795>game was supposed to promote to casual newbies>played like some tryhard retards in a tournament finalYea, no wonder they didn't get sponsored again.
I do find it funny that Matsuri immediatley backtracked on her no inviting male collabs shit by offering to invite the Holostars to her 3D studio streams. Fubuki as well and any of the other other Holos who were already sympathetic to the Holostars will now be more incentivized to saviorfag.
>>110767723Ewww
>>110769237>Why not, just start a stream and play a game?They no longer benefit from being in Cover. All the perks of being a Homo have been rescinded and all that's left is a set of restrictions and procedures they have to follow. They should just quit and go indie. Which I think is exactly what Cover is "politely" pressuring them to do.
>>110767849Just post niji botting number and they will crawl back into protection mode.
>>110769510Stay mad, Unikek, this will only emboldened the girl into collabing with the males
>>110766128There are company mandated 3d events, and there are >i want to do thing so i will pay to do thingevents. The company organized and mandated stuff is now kill; perhaps if a homo wants to do anything now they have to pay for it and organize it themselves. So the possibility is there and it's not a ban, just a very slim probability.
>>110769556Nice English bro.
I just woke upHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHATOTAL UNICORN VICTORY
>>110769510How is it funny? They've always liked and supported the homos
>>110769190>selenshe's not even in niji anymore it's a little late to blame her
>>110765735>they should do it quickI mean you're not wrong... but that's just part of the course for jap companies they don't want to deal with the aftermath of terminating someone, or an entire branch for that matter, because it would look bad for investors, they just need to let them bleed out and let them chose graduation by themselves, which is the wise choice to do because why the fuck would you stay when you can't use most of ANYTHING from your own company KEK, not get any funding for shit and STILL give a 40% revenue cut from your superchats ON TOP of the cut YT is taking? tho I kinda want them to stay in there for as long as possible because holy shit they're gonna be insufferable if they debut as indies and everyone start to pretend they like them LMFAO and than forget about them after a month or 2.
>>110769572>There are company mandated 3d eventsThere's no such thing as "company mandated 3D events".Did you not read Shien's statement? They don't get to use the studio, even for basic 3D needs.
>>110765014>21M views>>110765384>12M viewsHoly shit in just a few hours this went super viral.
>>110769328>So when they dropping their shitty metaverse project?Probably in a 2 or 3 years it isn't profitable by then. >That's surely costing way more than anything put towards Holostars.Yeah but unlike the stars it theoretically has potential. It hasn't reached failed experiment status yet.
>>110769326>were in a perfect spot to ride the 2020 western tourist wave but only two of them actively tried to growI kinda disagree, that wave was mostly born from virality via clips, at that time Holostars basically like Cover's dirty secret that clippers/clipfags more often than not didn't even know existed, so the opportunity for growth was never equal for them The only StarJPs who managed to get popular clips was Kaoru and Roberu, and it says lot that those two were easily (or at least before Kaoru graduated) the #1 and #2 of the branch
>>110767584One big reason I prefer big corpo like Hololive over indies is the large cast. I think of Hololive like a highschool SoL anime. Company wide event won't be as fun with smaller amount of people.
https://x.com/udoragidor72282/status/2039979817060483401LMAO
>>110769323https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3pIOUaOGiA
>>110765014Closing the branch without closing the branch. Unless contracts were reworked, a Holostar vturber sends a good chunk of there meager revenue just for the branding and nothing else. Would they all make more money if went independent, worked at McDonalds. and streamed a couple of times a week?
>>110769766Homostars have been shilled at every chance fagoo gotNever happenedThey were shitting homostars down everyones throats everywhere, especially on twitterThey got ALL the opportunitiesNo shit because nobody gives a shit about homostars
>>110769766>forbid them from...Literally never happened. All the girls and guys who want to collab with each other can do so.These retards just cannot accept that most girls are not interested
>>110765957WHO?
>>110769668>21M views>12M views>for a branch that has maybe 3000 actual fansI hope this helps Cover realize there's a humongous disconnect between twitter and reality
>>110769841>They got ALL the opportunitiesName them
>>110769448The vast majority of Matsuri's male collabs were outside the company though. She's never really done much with Homos to begin with.
https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/2040010972828459185https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/2040010972828459185https://x.com/takanashikiara/status/2040010972828459185
>>110767331So you're saying those two's merch sales don't outsell everything the homos have put out for 3 years?Moron.
>>110769841>>110769848If they watched their streams they would know kek
>>110769914why didn't she support Vesper when he raided her pussy
>>110769510why can't they just save cute 2view girl chuubas?
>>110769749>israelWhat the actual fuck I thought this was a shitpost
>>110769914>admits the homos weren't successfulBased
>>110769766>pretending they weren't allowed to collab with the girls>ignoring all the times they collabed with the girls>ignoring how leeching off the girls never made them more popularwew
>>110769958She's calling them talented.
>>110769958She's calling them incredibly talented
>>110769914>>110769958>>110769980>>110769992she's talking about her sololive letter idiots
>>110765014/vrt/ bloom fag rin crying
>>110765014Based
>>110769669>theoretically has potential0800 Come on now.Facebook couldn't make it work.Epic couldn't make it work with Forbknights.Roblox is shit.Second Life is shit.PS Home was shit.Everything else that has tried it seriously is shit.MMOs with an actual focus have been the closest to this working."Cute girls doing cute things" is not enough of a draw to be profitable in that regard. Not with the upfront costs to run the entire service.If they could make it peer2peer in some way maybe, but that is filled with so many problems in stability and legal + cultural headaches with regards to some countries equating P2P with illegal acts and banning it outright.Streaming P2P networks can work, but I doubt Cover have the talent to do so. It's a dead end. That money could go towards VR hardware and software, the talents, invested in other ways, or, you know, actually good games that are Holo-themed.
>>110767424>-38 upboatsNot surprised. I think there's one watamate singlemanarmy that fights against the homobeggar troons on there and that's probably the only postitive about hololeddit.
Kneel to this Jailbird
>>110770089He won
>>110770089
>>110767440>Why bother investing in anybody else when Suisei, Miko, or Pekora makes more than half of them combined?This is precisely what investor parasites think like. They want to identify the areas that make the most money, wring them dry, and then move on to something else. They don't care about fostering talent or maintaining an ecosystem, they consume all their information via an excel document.I don't go out of my way to consume stars content and I've only seen a few clips from collabs. I'm happy for people who do enjoy them though. But this decision is setting off alarm bells for me. If Cover is doing this then they're surely looking at the ID girls or low sub JP/EN with similar eyes too. You can argue that those groups are more profitable than stars sure but they still consume management and studio time for less return than the heavy hitters. Whose to say that in the future they won't restrict who gets a birthday live for instance?
>>110765682>i can only pray it doesn't affect low sales hololive memberHOLY SHIT I HOPE IT DOES! FUUUUCK could you imagine the fucking homo-collabers getting shitcanned for being dumb fucks? Oh god pleaase shareholders-tachi! HAMMERDOWN THE NAIL!!
>>110769448That final male collab was with the niji father guy.
>>110769647>Did you not read Shien's statement?No I don't read or watch anything put out by the homos. Why would I?
>>110770259So stop talking then, retard.
>>110770089Just a personal rrat but I'm sure Nerissa asked management to let her block/distance herself from this guy for a long time but they kept saying no because of all the money he donated. Just like how they wanted Korone to lie to her fans to sell more tickets.Also one thing with Holostars is that they were kinda born into a no-win position beholden to an audience that was destined to hate them. I genuinely wonder if things had turned out different if they weren't branded under Hololive's shadow and treated like guilty-until-proven-innocent by management. I still remember how Nene said one of her managers checked the corners for any Holostars presence before letting her know it was safe to come out and was like wtf. The shit with them using a different bus just gave a really bad impression too.
>>110770269Seethe more troonbeggar. You lost big time.
>>110766105KYS KYS KYS KYS KYS YOU FUCKING JINX IT!
>>110770308But you're the one arguing that homos still get to use the studio, retarded troonicorn.
>>110770308We'll see how things turn out for you down the line, man. Here's to hoping we don't get a repeat of 25's graduation party...
>>110770299>I genuinely wonder if things had turned out different if they weren't branded under Hololive's shadowThis has been the thought for years: if they'd just removed "holo" from the name and treated it in no way connected to "hololive productions" they might've done better. Maybe.
>>110770299Retarded headcanon. Holos can block any fan account they want.
>>110770333>>110770342You lost. Seethe in silence. Preferably on bluesky or leddit.
>>110765014Only faggots likes male vtubers
If they had woken up in the other side of the bed they might've done better. Maybe.
>>110770382Why are you dreaming about homos having paid access to the studio, troonicorn?
how come it's only the JP side that's shutting down and not EN? i never watched them but i assume the JP boys are more popular, no?
>>110770218>if Cover's willing to axe a branch that makes them lose money then it's only a matter of time before they axe profitable branches and girlsYou aren't making any sense, anon. This isn't about the Homos being less profitable than the other branches. It's about them not being profitable at all. Anybody who's turning a profit for Cover is safe which means all the girls are safe.
>>110770406This is obviously going to effect Homostars EN too considering they're similar wastes of money.
Vitriolic "I HATE THE GIRLS I HATE IDOL CULTURE I HATE IDOL CULTURE" spergs on Twitter confirm why this was a good move.Maybe we'll finally be able to separate ourselves from those dickheads for good now. They seriously call Cover a Black Company for cutting the branch that MOOCHES off of the girls and causes infighting in their communities thanks to retards like Jurard that ragebait for engagement.
>>110770299>asked management to let her block/distance herself from this guy I'm pretty sure talents don't need permission to block people. There's an older screencap of him harassing the official youtube twitter because he can't post in her channel and he's too thick to realize he's been banned. This is the same retard that thought it would be a good idea to passive aggressively complain about lack of streams in freechat.
>>110765014I'm glad it's finally over, but I'm sad for the actual few real fans of the homos. I know they exist and they might as well have been invisible since they didn't shit up the board or anywhere else with their screeching like the begging trannies itt rn.
>>110770377But the Starmin can't. They have to see every stupid shit some Live anti says about their oshi. Their oshi still has to adhere to absurd red tape because of stuff that happens on the Live side. I'm both a Starmin and a Stagelight, and the difference in fanbase mood is palpable. It goes beyond any personal interactions between talents or even the fanbases being toxic, I don't really know how to put it.>>110770382I mean, I ain't gonna pretend this doesn't sting but in some ways I'm kinda hopeful for many of the guys. Almost anything is better than being in Hololive's shadow. One thing I will agree with a lot of antis though is that many Stars don't push themselves as much as they could. But fuck, just the idea of them being free from Cover is beautiful.
>>110766341>many of them were already decently popular streamers in their own right.kek yea that's why they decided to throw it all away to get into the company and basically get sidelined for girls who actually bring in good viewership.
>>110770406Because they've been around for longer. EN follows later if they don't turn things around.
I knew things were grim for them when they EN homos weren't forced to go to japan for FES, but I didn't expect JP to be in deep shit as well.Now I wonder if Flayon cancelling the collab with Shiori was actually serious...
>>110770419Investors see unrealized gains as the same as losses. See: every company that has ever discussed "loses from piracy".
>>110770406JP has been way less popular than EN for a while.>>110770471Funny thing is I actually didn't mind him saying something that probably a lot of jailbirds were secretly fuming about even if he did so in the most autistic way possible. But with distance herself I meant more like directly calling him out or straight up saying she didn't want his support if he was going to be such a dick about everything. The thing is that Hololive got to where it is by sucking up the money from guys like Myron, part of the price of that is putting up with their cringier behavior.
>>110770419Nah, this is about the fact that Cover is collapsing. Moneymakers like Gura and Kanata have quit, with more rumored to follow; these changes are the consequences. Cover's loss leader strategy is failing.
>>110770419it's a slippery slope. they'll target those who are low earners and eventually focus on the top 5-10 who make the most and squeeze them dry.
>>110770419>least profitable holo makes 1 million yen for us per year>most profitable holo makes 100 million yen for us per year>if we pull the supports from the least profitable holo and move it to the most profitable holo we can make 99 million yen more per yearthis is how they're gonna go next
>>110768047>mionigga come on
>>110766373holy shit go back
>>110770638Okay, back.Come back when you have an argument, you underage fuckwit.
>>110770653you will never be white
kek, peko building a Unicorn Gundam as soon as this news drops. can't be a coincidence right?
The 10 holostars fans are gonna get so mad at Cover :(
>>110770659I'm a hairy white motherfucker.Come back when you have an argument, you underage fuckwit.
>>110770681yeah, brown troons are pretty hairy, stop typing like one
