Did Kiara just call out "fans" who won't do enough to support their oshi?
>>110775344>"Bummer, I guess"
Homobeggars are very fucking loud but don't show up where it matters. They don't watch streams, and don't buy merch. They want to see change in the idol industry they despise so much, but don't want to put any effort in it. The quintessential slACKtivists.
>>110775344Pretty much but their fans will just close their ears and go LALALALALALALALA
>I'm incredibly talented but have bad luck with the algorithmExactly the cope she's been saying about herself for 5 years.
>>110775839Nigger please
>>110775497It's funny because the idol industry is so profit driven that the change they want would come so easy if they actually voted with their wallets. Do they really think the Cover shareholders making the shots are devoted unicorns? They don't give a fuck about any of that.
>>110775344is this german autism? like the last line implies homos don't have luck and don't have supporting fans like holy shit based chimkin
>>110776019Where's the lie?
>>110775344BASED BASED BASED
>>110776372no lie but like . . . she didn't have to just shoot them in the face
>>110776603No she really did
>>110775344I like how all the homobeggars im the replies are butthurt at Kiara for this tweet and telling her she did nothing to help them
>>110775344oh nakadashi kiara you're so lucky the industry isn't just talent based you aren't at all where you deserve to be lmao
>>110776700Should have watched more streams, homobeggar LMAO RIP BOZO
>>110776927dude i hate the stars it's just funny that nakadashi is pretending she wishes the industry was talent based when she's so clearly a right place right time lucky break case.
>homos get smoked>Kiara: but what about poor lil me who deserved moreKek
>>110775344The "others" she's referring to is pretty obviously management. A loyal core fanbase on its own cannot make a talent into a viral hit.
>>110777127Worked for Suisei
>>110777127>management makes the talent popularerm... anonchama...
>>110776983>dude i hate the starsis the new>I don't watch them, but...KEK keep seething homobeggar, YOU LOST
>>110775497This is why I'm glad that it looks like both homoJP and EN are going out. They support the guys out of spite for idol culture, not because they like the guys. They won't watch them when they're indie because they won't be collabing with hologirls.It's the only reason this matters to them. They can say they're fans all they want, but the merch revenue summary shows the truth of the matter
>>110777127Worked for Kiara Or is she dancing to a new tune that management made her more than KFP made her?
>>110777127>A loyal core fanbase on its own cannot make a talent into a viral hit.They absolutely can (if they indeed have "talent").Hololive didn't grow from Cover doing corporate shenanigans, algorithm magic or shill campaigns. It grew from an excited fanbase that clipped streams and caused virality. That was literally the definition of organic growth.Holostars failure is both a case of lack of talent and a case of the "demographic" not being there. Homostar "fans" were notorious for performative, empty word support without actually watching. But then again it becomes a kind of circular argment where you can say the lack of passionate fans IS caused by lack of talent.
>>110775951They're devoted to them in a second order effect way because unicorns spend more and they spend it more often. This is just a true statement.Shareholders need not have any attachment or adoration for idol culture or unicorns. One simply pays a lot more than the other and no matter how many excuses make or goal posts you move, he who pays the piper always calls the tune.
>>110775344Kiara is in a bit of an odd position of privilege. She automatically had tens of thousands of fans and such.Even if someone without that kind of backing has fans that support her there is a finite amount of things they can do.
>>110775497I'm a fan of talents, not of the company. When my oshi Vesper left I left with him and was completely demotivated from watching the rest of the homos.
>>110777366automatically?? u do know how tiny vtubing was when myth debuted right? yes she was right place right time and a ton of different people could have done what she did but she didn't start w/ the fans. though she would have gotten them regardless because of right place right time and she isn't particularly talented.
>>110777127Just got my 5 year badge and watching Miko's Idol Journey has been an absolute pleasure. I like to think Miko's work ethic and 35P's devotion are why she became a success.
>>110777550Myth got like 500,000 subs just for debuting. There's never been a more privileged start to V-tubing.
>>110777550NTA but Myth was optimally placed to take full advantage of the lockdown boom, that's the kind of fortuitous coincidence that's simply impossible to replicate. I don't think anyone's discounting Kiara's hard work, but hard work on its own is never enough and that's what her tweet was about. You have to be extremely lucky to make it big, there's literally thousands of extremely talented people competing in the same niche that you are. I'm sure Kiara knows that better than anyone given her career before Holo.
>>110777707This is objectively true. Blessed by the EN/clipper boost, blessed by covid/lockdown, and blessed by people's standards being so low that none of them had to do anything special that first year to grow at a rate much faster than all their senpais.
>>110776019They don't though
>>110777822Stars have huge fucking whales, they just don't have enough casual fans to sustain themselves. The only ones that did seem to have that crazy crossover potential graduated.
>>110776696It's insane, in the other thread they are already posting doxxshit out of seething anger. If they put half as much effort into supporting their homos they would have surpassed Pekora by now.
>>110777127>>110777602Soratomo for 6 years here, Sora might've regressed into a baby, but seeing her hard work pay off with how great her concerts have been, is incredibly inspiring
>>110777127That's an insane take considering management actively tried to murder EN for the first 1.5 years and they still grew because Myth has the strongest EN communities ever. Fuck, Gura and Ame died and their communities are still active.
>>110777903Roberu's doing pretty well for himself but he's an exceptional vtuber in many respects.
>>110775344I think shes talking about Holostars, which for all intends and purposes just got canceled as a branch
>>110777743Please delete your post, here on /vt/ we only accept the most negative interpretations possible.
>>110775344Homostars failed because of drama-hungry redditors, ex-management that pushed the "we vs le scary unicorns" narrative and talents that thought that it's actually good decision and they must support it.In ideal world Holostars would be allowed to grow naturally and never be used as a fucking weapon against literal 4chin trolls, literally handful of genuine unicorns and other imaginary creatures.Instead they got "support" from people that never were willing to give them healthy attention and were interested only if they could moan, bitch and protest against something.
>>110778044they aren't even cancelled, cover is just done wasting money on making shit for them. they still have their own channels and can produce merch to sell if any fans ever actually woudl buy it lmao.however the company is done wasting studio time and money producing shit for them that no one watches and producing merch that no one buys. they STILL have their channels and will still stream and STILL no one will watch them but they sure will complain that cover is done making content for them that no one watches
>>110778123>In ideal world Holostars would be allowed to grow naturally and never be used as a fucking weapon against literal 4chin trolls,this
>>110780024they always were. NO ONE WANTED TO WATCH THEM, EVER. SIMPLE AS
>>110777310>women as the demographic audience>says how much they "love and support" them despite never actually doing soseems about right
>>110775344Homostars is the ballet and opera of vtubing
>>110776603it's who she is
>>110775344Kiara needs a boost so she just needed to virtue signal to the unikeks. Many such cases.
I mean, she's right. There a lot of talented people out there that try their best but it usually amounts to entertaining an empty room. That already puts out a lot of people and they give up.Then there's the people that perform for decades and the most fame they ever get is a small section in the obituary and then they get famous post mortem.Being famous while you're alive and never giving up is a rare combo and you only see the ones who make it. There are a lot of people fighting for the spotlight that you'll never see and it has nothing to do with skill, perceived or otherwise.
>>110775344She literally said not even a year ago that she will never collab with them and that beggars make her feel uncomfortable the fake muh homos preaching is so obvious she won't lose any sleep over it so don't sweat it
Something I never see mentioned in these discussions is that at least in the west there are far far more male simps than there are female simps and uhhhhhhh... just gonna say it man, males tend to be a lot more stupid with who they simp for so its easier to siphon money off them as long as you're willing to hold your tongue when they're being misogynistic or autistic or whatever.>>110781202I read ballet was kind of a front for prostitution for a while and there was a time where shady backroom deals were done to the tune of an opera house in full show.>>110781952Its really harsh...
>>110783111I once mentioned privately that I have no intention of collabing with female Vtubers but I still admire and cheer them on so I can totally imagine a bunch of gachikoi friendly girl having the same attitude
>>110775344based
