The problem with male vtubers is that the whole appeal of vtubing is that it removes your appearance from the equation so you can thrive on your personality alone.With females, this means that the femcels, fat weebs or just mid and ugly girls and so on who actually have some talents or fun personalities but would never have a chance being idols or streamers because they're not pretty enough get a chance to shine, but with men, it's already possible to be a popular streamer without being a chad. People already do that, there's no such barrier, so instead of getting their talents from the elite and most talented uggos like with girls, male vtubers are being selected from people who are already second or third rate among ugly incel men who couldn't make it as normal streamers.They're picking from the same demographics, but because it's easier for ugly men to get popular, they're not getting the best among that group.Men also don't have a simp bonus like girls do, and most vtuber fans are male weebs.Another problem is that it's socially acceptable for women to be simps, so if they want a parasocial relationship with a male celeb they can just pick kpop idols or whatever. They don't have to hide among weebs
love female women. hate homos
tldr: no one wants to watch male vtubers
>>110787869>what is nijisanji
vtubing is primarly a male viewing audence of the anime fandom, so they rather watch cute girls.also Imo female vtubers overall have better and more appealing designs then males who mostly are kpop cutout dolls, look at the first tempest gen compare to every holo en gen. there is more diversity in the gen with twins ffs.btw i use to watch holostars until vesper got shitcanned. haven't watched since.
>>110787913>What are mentally retarded sisters
>>110787820That sounds plausible, except there are some very, very successful male vtubers and most Holos aren't actually that bad looking.I think another factor is that women are turbo-normie sheep, both innately and by choice. Innately because of the greater male variance phenomenon that causes men to deviate more towards extremes and away from mediocrity, in both qualitative skills and personal interests. But also by choice, because more than men, women like to fit in and place value on what everyone else is doing. So most women would rather fight each other to be part of Chad's harem than pledge themselves to some random nobody weirdo. But men aren't like that, men are the weirdos, and they place much more value in their personal tastes than whatever the crowd is doing. If all the girls became dudes, Pekora and Marine would become billionaires and everyone else would have to quit. There's no audience for a male Raden or Fuwamoco, girls would all rather watch Pekora or Marine.
nice thread retards
>>110787820The real answer is that becoming a corporate idol as a man is an inherently cucked move, because no male entertainer ever needs anything more than their own talents to make it big, and thus Holostars has a bias for unambitious men who aren't powerful enough to take control of their own destinies, or even if they develop the mentality on the job, they then can't channel their full ambitions due to the corporate shackles chaining the masculine beast within them. For women it's different, they'll be seen as pseudo-sexual commodities no matter how talented they are simply because nobody watches female vtubers except young incel men, so it's better for them if they pack into the established incel commodities retailer that is Hololive, instead of trying to build their own store. But of course women aren't stupid either and they dislike their corporate shackles too, for different reasons, which is why we've seen a meta form where they'll join Hololive for the immediate top 1%er status, hang around long enough to captivate the incels into thinking they really care, and then leave and become indies, bringing with them their paypig thralls.
>>110787820this brotuber goat mogged em and put em outta business
Why is it always men who speak on what does and doesn't work for male vtubers knowing you're completely wrong in everything you say?
>>110787820the problem with male vtubers is that the male streamer world is thoroughly saturated, while girls who play video games and do idolshit is not the typical female content
>>110787820Niji does fineStars was just cursed from the start>Unreliable management that barely replied and never knew what it was doing, only one that did moved on years ago because he thought "stars will be fine without him now" (how wrong he was)>Constantly fluctuating rules and support>Has the pure poison of being associated to hololive, garnering schizos hostile towards them and their fans, fucking up their algorithm and making them unpleasant to share around>All of the above contributing to the draining enthusiasm within the stars themselvesI'll follow some of them when they inevitably move on anyway but it does beg the question of what's going on in Cover. Before this the girls across the pond were dropping like flies and I don't think they were particularly debuting any new gens right?
>>110787820No, the problem is that men are horny and simp very hard for an anime girl.The opposite is not true and girls don't really care about anime men that much or simp the same way men do for girls.In fact, most vtuber girl fans care more about other female vtubers than their male counterparts.This has nothing to do with personality or entertainment. It's just a basic biologic difference
>>110787869male streamers
>Girl with autismCute>Guy with autismCringe>Girl using anime avatarCute!>Guy using anime avatarCringe, grow up faggot>Girl playing video gamesCute and entertaining>Guy playing video gamesBoring and cringe, get a job faggot>Girl yapping and getting donosCute and based, she earned it!>Guy yapping and getting donosCringe groomer pedo
Question should instead be "Why male vtubers in Hololive fail?". Answer? They don't belong in a unicorn milking farm. It's a miracle they held on as long as they did.
>>110787820you are just a retard faggot.sucessful female vtubers have like 90% male fanssucessful male vtubers have 90% female fanshomostars lost first mover advantage to nijisanji and tried to leech off hololive with their 90% male fans, should have have stayed in their fucking lane, fuck them and the nijiniggers they brought in.
>>110791304>>Guy playing video games>Boring and cringe, get a job faggotwhat is blud talking about
>>110788996I mean before his suspension and menhera break downs Vesper was very successful. There is a market for what he was doing. His orc model and general flakiness are hard filters. But if you found that kind of guy without those things they would be popular with both.
Are we suppose to ignore the literal millionaires in SC earnings in the top 20? Because there are 3 of them there.
>>110787820If you are a man just flesh stream i'm not watching a anime boy thats teehee to shy to just show his face this excuse only works for woman
>>110791244I think in China there's a huge market for male anime characters. In the West not so much. Ironically mostly SE diaspora women are into it. Girls like Gigi are the target demo in the west. I'm not sure why there isn't a mega popular Chinese male vtuber unless Chinese Women see their own language as a debuff?
>>110787913my bad, i meant "normal human beings don't want to watch male vtubers"
>>110791573I think it's better for a general audience if a male vtuber has a funny design than a sexy one. Look at how popular that Burnt Peanut guy
>>110791658>normal human beings don't want to watch vtubersyeah
This isn't a hobby for entertainment, it's a hobby for lonely people seeking a sexual/romantic outlet. The entertainment value of any vtuber, male or female is frankly irrelevant. There are plenty of both that are funny, talented, and capable of entertaining in a multitude of ways. It's why outside of very specific circumstances (Lord Aethelstan supplanting Nyanners audience), you see virtually no popular vtubers with an audience they share a gender with.This dynamic is slightly different in Japan where vtubing grew alongside face streaming, so you'll see a handful of popular male vtubers that actually do have a male majority audience, but even that's becoming the minority these days.
>>110791091the rigid thinking of an autist
Quite frankly, pretty much the only successful corpo male vtubers I've seen so far are people who do unashamedly BFE shit.They should always cater to a female audience.And Nijisanji already had the best ones at that. Hololive recruited the remains.Out of all of them, Only a few are good. Roberu is obviously the one who stands out.Cover management certainly didn't help, with them pushing the holomems as idols and mostly trying to avoid intergender collabs to avoid pissing off gachikois.So, long story short, their talents weren't the best to start with and they even managed them like shit.As for EN, that's a whole other can of worm. Magni and Vesper were their big draw and they failed big time to support them and give them motivation to stay.
so many men aren't actually funny or talented, and despite that as long as you're even slightly mid you can get popular?it must be so easy to be a man
>>110791162I will forgive never Aruran for ditching the cool ojisan model, the chill food zatsus and 2hu streams to become a fuckboy that hangs out with obnoxious ecelebs and spams SF6 and esports bullshit
>>110791687That's a westuber. He even said he hates vtubers. Completely different beast.Male vtubers do work in japan, as long as they cater to a female audience and have the talent for it.In the west, femweebs that are into anime are a small minority. It could work, theoretically, but it would require a lot more exposure and push.Most stream viewers in the west are males to begin with, so it doesn't really work the same way.
>>110791091only men post here
>>110792546>mostly trying to avoid intergender collabsmaking up shit
>>110792687True. I guess he tried to rebrand because it wasn't working but it worked even less.
>>110791091>>110792043seethe more homosisters, men predicted your homo failing.
>>110792752Am I? When's the last time Miko or Korone collabed with Aruran or Roberu?Yeah, I though as much.Thanks for your contribution to the conversation, anon. Bye.
>>110792546Creating a male branch was a fools errand from the get go for a place like Holo. Yagoo is single handedly responsible for this blunder. When %90 of your audience start screeching like the lonely retards they are when a male is on screen next to their oshi, you should have known better than introducing a branch full of them, expecting them to succeed.
>>110792836and you got proof that management is telling them not to collab with stars?
>>110792752Anon, even Matsuri literally just came out and said "no more male collabs, i am gonna focus on gachikois". Probably need money for retirement.
>>110792936anon, matsuri found out this shit was happening a week early and took advantage of her insider knowledge.
>>110787820>Femcels, fat weebs or just mid and uglyWTF are you talking about, OP? Are you a tourist? Half of holomems are hot AF.Didn't you ever see a leak of their actual look?
>>110792863Yeah, you are probably right. Can't disagree with that, anon.
>>110791244If you check /cbdct/ you'd often see girls simping for various guys. Its true they do it kinda differently and with more... judgement??? than male simps though. Will have to disagree on basic biologic difference.The thing with starmins in particular is that many of us were just kinda mentally done with Cover's bullshit and everything around Holostars plus part of the behavior of the boys (even if some of it is understandable like with Fuma and Miyabi) just made it all into a death by a thousand cuts. I think many saw this coming a while ago already desu.With asian cultures it seems to just be more historically ingrained to have male entertainers looking pretty and catering to a female audience, going back centuries. The west doesn't seem to fully have a similar thing.
>>110792863Don't have a solid source on this but supposedly at the start the Holostars guys were publicly banned from talking to the girls in any way and had a mandate to try and cater to the guys already watching Hololive. Which like maybe would have worked with an audience other than Holo's and maybe if they had debuted someone like Aruran or Roberu as the opening act. I love Miyabi and Izuru but they are way too female coded for brotubing. Also the way some of the staff themselves treated the mere idea of Stars didn't help.
>>110792873Reading comprehension, anon.I never wrote that, so please, avoid reading between the lines and stick to what I wrote, I usually mean exactly what I write, I don't imply things.I never wrote management forbade them to collab with stars, otherwise Matsuri wouldn't have, which she certainly did. I just wrote "mostly trying to avoid intergender collabs".To further elaborate, I meant they never pushed actively intergender collabs, never promoted them and even probably mildly discouraged them as years ago some collabs between, for example, Subaru and some Nijisanji telents, including males, or Fubuki with Oga, happened, then stopped entirely.When we saw intergender collabs in the last few years it was mostly Matsuri, and even her recently literally said she's gonna stop doing them, so I think it's safe to assume management didn't impose anything, but very likely advised them it could be detrimental.Of course I'm talking about JP. The other branches seem to do whatever the fuck they want. Ollie doesn't give a shit, Kobo and Altare are a comedy duo and Calli, Kronii, Magni and Vesper were a fun clique.
>>110790520>because no male entertainer ever needs anything more than their own talents to make it big,lol
>>110793495I guess there was a huge lack of cohesion and general direction, which may be part of the problem.It looks like Cover wasn't sure if they wanted to do male idols or brotubers or whatever.In fact, it seems like they never had a true idea what to do with them. They were kinda just there for the sake of having a male branch because Nijisanji has male vtubers too.
>>1107905200/10 Bait. I've seen kids coming up with better shit, try again.
>>110793121Actually once the announcement came she immediately walked everything back and offered to invite some of the stars to her 3Ds
>>110793742I mean, in terms of direction, they could have at the very least tried to copy Niji in that aspect. There are THREE male niji talents in top 20 superchat earners in youtube GLOBALLY. So there are doing something right. But it just looks like most of management's personal dislike of the branch just overshadowed any ambition to make them work. Save Yagoo who is just the investors dog at this point.
>>110793591>Calli, Kronii, Magni and VesperThe amount of comedy gold these four produced is still yet to be matched.
>>110793247>With asian cultures it seems to just be more historically ingrainedHoly fucking cringe thing Japan meme, batman. The biggest Japanese streamers are bros, just like everywhere else.
>>110793742IIRC Miyabi mentioned that many of the OG kinda applied when Hololive was around Gen 2 when they didn't clarify they were a female only agency (probs Holo themselves didn't know they'd go that direction at the time), and Yagoo saw so much potential in Miyabi, Izuru (Astel?) and the others that he decided to try and make it work. The squares at the board meetings (same guys who wanted to leave Coco out to dry during the China situation in order to sell the girls out btw) were always agaisnt it and the weird rules/stigma around stars were a result of the compromise between Yagoo and the idiots.
>>110787820Still having a field day I see, homo schizo.
>>110793935>3 of them scream at each other for an hour then Kronii wins and gloatswow, such gold
>>110794145Have you seen any of the most popular shit on youtube? You just described all of it that isn't music videos
>>110791573Have you never watched an LP youtuber before?
>>110794092Dunno about who was historically the biggest, just that asian countries had a masculine archetype of a scholar/"prettyboy" as far back as... 17th century China? I'm no historian admittedly. In the west if you were a man you were supposed to be a warrior without many exceptions."The traditional male aesthetic in ancient China was that of a gentle and refined scholar, often associated with the concept of a gentleman, and "beautiful like Song Yu, handsome like Pan Jian" would never refer to muscular men." I also wonder if the Genji Monogatari (one of the eminent works of JP literature) also played a part. So when asian idols came around they were building off a pre-established cultural concept. At least that's what I read once as to why so many of the girls into male chuubas/idols are asian girls, its just way more accepted there.
>>110794145Sorry to hear that you have absolutely zero sense of humor anon. Hope it's treatable.
>>110794243(Me)Actually I think something that might also play a factor is that the average western girl who liked One Direction or Justin Bieber or Gaben Matarazzo (?) wouldn't really like anime or weeb stuff as much as the average asian-descendant girl.
>>110791304Aren't the biggest gaming Youtubers male? I think a significant portion of it is just people just vastly prefer anime girls over anime boys.
>>110787820NijiMales made male Vtubing all about Fujo baiting, the two Stars who where starting to crack that image called it quits. Male Vtubing was doomed from that moment on
>>110792546>pretty much the only successful corpo male vtubers I've seen so far are people who do unashamedly BFE shitI love when controversies about things nobody cared about happen and you get all the clueless experts coming out to say whatever random bullshit they can think of. Kuzuha is BFE? Lmao.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S6WctXog9w
>>110794851It's just holodrone cope since they can't admit Cover is fucking terrible at managing talents.
>>110794851>>110794960look at these nijinigger tourists coping now their homostars are dead
>>110787965>also Imo female vtubers overall have better and more appealing designs then males who mostly are kpop cutout dollsI've been looking for some male 2D and 3d models in Etsy and BOOTH to buy because I want to do some casual vtubing, and it's infuriating that there's almost nothing but fujo bait male models with the exact same copy-pasted face and facial proportions. I feel like there's a misconception about male vtubing where people think that men want to be female idols but genderbent and cattering at a female audience that's so minuscule it might as well not even exist.And this extends all the way to the newer Holostars and even Nijis, and when they have a decent model like Goldbullet, they end being actual homosexuals.
>>110787820The big turtle exists just don't homobait and keep other women at arms length.
>>110787820And it's also pointless to be a 'brotuber" (whatever THAT means). If your personality is enough to build up an audience with just a camera with your IRL face on, or even no camera at all, the vtuber model does nothing. It's pointless, unless it's in jest to begin with. Even if you're a god gamer and actual legitimate competitive player in something (speedrunning, fighting games, fps, etc) you're still better off being a normal streamer, the vtuber aspects adds nothing once again.Aside from corporate idolshit or just being music-focused exclusively, there is no point to male vtubers streaming. This and much more has been said for many years but it falls on deaf ears.
