>>110835277
most stable /vt/ poster

>>110835277
This type of post could only been made out of jealousy, misguided and ill-informed jealousy, but jealousy none the less

>>110835326
>>110835370
Uh oh phasetroon melty~

>>110835021
Imagine the biggest Holostars clipper liking them because he hates idol culture and not because he loves Holostars.

>>110835326
>>110835370
>Nooo you have to love the literal holo anti that spreads lies about the talents using fake translations
No ones buying your slop nijisissies

>>110835021
>JP homos face reality and simply accept responsibility for not being good enough
>meanwhile, homobeggars are attacking Hololive and blaming it all on the girls for not letting the homos leech off of them "enough"
I wonder how much more successful the homos would've been if their fans weren't repugnant, entitled pieces of shit hellbent on alienating everyone

>>110835716
>if their fans weren't repugnant, entitled pieces of shit hellbent on alienating everyone
the EN homos are the exact same

>>110835716
>repugnant, entitled pieces of shit hellbent on alienating everyone
but enough about hololive fans

>>110835716
A more interesting thought exercise would be wether the JP homos could've kept their life support on if the en homos didn't ruin it for everyone by attacking the hololive fans who gave them the benefit of the doubt

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>>110835021
The wrong Holostars branch died.

>>110835716
Japs having no spine is nothing to be happy about

>>110835825
HOMOSEETHE

the virality of the announcement, and the creative grudge streams made in its wake (bum simulator, game dev story) will make stars bounce back stronger than ever and win back their rights, just watch.

>>110836132
>they'll bounce back thanks to twitter likes and tourists who'll be gone a week from now
>this won't be like all the other times
>just watch
lol

>>110835716
Aren't these just fanbases in general? I don't know a single piece of media that is made better by its fanbase, but I can tell you dozens of things that are worse due to their fanbase.

>>110836132
https://x.com/astelleda/status/2040742465167384785
anon astel already said about half of them may quit asap next working day

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>>110835021
It's not that they weren't good enough, it's just that most of their "fans" were more interested with fighting against Unicorns, Trolls and other fantasy creatures on Twitter and Reddit.
If these people would put 5% of that energy into making funny clips and fanart for the boys, Holostars would succeed. We are here just because someone clipped Miko saying NIGGA in the most nonchalant and smug way she could say it, ffs.
Aruran and Roberu had their five minutes of fame because of the toy gun ASMR and fucking winning son meme. This is what Holostars lacked.

Is there an actual list of who is alive and who is dead? Jurad is dead right?

>>110836304
Aruran and Roberu are the only Holostars that have value in all my years of exposure to JP tubers that have reminded me Stars exist.

>>110836348
I felt the same before Aruran became an annoying prick and Roberu became responsible for the whore rat joining hololive

>>110836395
I only mentioned the two because they participate in VCR and are huge contributers to generating opportunities and quality content for others in the community.
It's the same with how Aki shot to the top for a while and the majority of numberfags /+ unicorns couldn't understand it because they don't watch streams.

>>110835021
It’s gonna be very funny and real embarrassing for cover if there are holostars still insisting on sticking around.

>>110835716
More like "Cover makes the members blame themselves and the fans instead of their shareholders and upper management"

with lack papa joining in on the comments joking about Cover Corp and cheering on the more careless stars actions, I have to wonder if that will strain his relationship with Cover and Flare.

>>110835716
Do these homo beggars know that the revenue from the girls is what kept Homostars afloat all of these years? Cover can't keep operating a branch that brings in no profit.

>>110835277
FPBP.

>>110836737
No one cares, not even Cover

>>110836737
LOL, LMAO even.

>>110836737
>cheering on the more careless stars actions
he's telling them to do a flip basically

>>110835716
>>110836304
I feel like EOPs are infighting when none of this is about them in the slightest. Do tell how many of those "fans fighting against unicorns" you saw on social media were doing so in japanese.
Japanese streamers who stream in japanese are getting a budget cut and a bunch of people who don't even understand a word they say are blaming each other on twitter. I've never seen a japanese tweet offending hololive fans coming from a holostars fan account, but I often get this kind of retarded drama in english from people who don't watch them in my timeline.
Now, I do fully expect the same to happen to the EN branch too, but at the moment this virtue signaling war going on does not concern the fans of the people affected in any way.

>>110836932
>I've never seen a japanese tweet offending hololive fans
80% of the tweets under the announcement are blaming cover for not doing enough for them despite them taking money out of the girls' hands to keep these niggas alive, same as what the en homofans have been doing since the beginning

>>110837005
So not "fighting against unicorns" or blaming the girls for ignoring them. I never said no holostars fan ever complained about anything.

>>110837005
How much of those tweets are Nijinigs using this as an opportunity to shit on Hololive?

>>110836565
Tourist, see fuma's X. That is if you even know who fuma is.

>>110836036
HOLOCOPE

>>110836915
He's laughing along at the stuff like Fuma's recent stream where he did a company management game that put too much money on "PoroEarth" and had to downsize after going public

>>110837023
no one's blaming the girls for not collabing, i only saw posts shitting on kiara for her hypocritical tweet

>>110837109
They're even blaming girls for ignoring them. People brought back el silencio to say this was one of the reasons why. But of course, only EOPs doing it.

>>110837109
Then Xitter algorithm has failed you because I saw a lot of it

>>110836770
i swear, the number of holofans posing as business and economics experts increased tenfold since the announcement

>s-so we created holostars and instructed hololive members to not mention holostars on stream and fans should not bring them up in hololive streams either
>people won't watch them
>okay forget about that
>management mandated collabs between hololive and holostars
>people still won't watch their solo streams
>force industry tournaments and streamer servers to accept holostars participation in exchange for hololive girls
>people still won't watch their solo streams
>only "successful" members are gigaleeches

>>110837109
>hypocritical
Not wanting to collab with homofailures with toxic "fan"bases, but still wishing them luck is not hypocritical

>>110837181
after the bummer incident it definitely is

>>110837165
>instructed hololive members to not mention holostars on stream
Show receipts, or did FBK and Suisei stop existing

>>110837240
the tweet is still up but I personally can't be bothered to find it

>>110837240
Even Nene and Flare mentioned them on streams before.

>>110837233
>homobeggars spamming her and forcing her to speak about the homos termination while she was streaming, so she doesn't have the full story
>blurts out inconsequential words because she barely had any context
>homobeggars still seething about those words years after it happened

>>110837240
https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1132919186886238209

>>110837380
You know every single Holopro talent has a "Don't bring up random vtubers in chat unless it's on topic" rule, right?

>>110837448
not the same thing but ok

>>110836932
Its just an excuse for the shitflinging and drama that make this board's daily bread by now.

>>110837472
It is the same. Also, keep conveniently avoiding all the times Holomems talked about your failures on stream. Surely a random tweet from 2019 is more relevant.

>>110837109
>no one's blaming the girls for not collabing
Nice try, homosister. But since day fucking one, you subhumans have been shitting on the girls non-stop for not dedicating themselves to propping up the Homos. Kiara stood up for them and you attacked her. Even the girls who did collab with them are getting blamed for not collabing enough. You're one of the reasons why taking pleasure in homostar suffering is justified.

>>110836299
They should honestly consider quitting being alive, will make women in Japan safer at least.

>>110837534
>Surely a random tweet from 2019 is more relevant.
it's relevant because that rule was no more after holocomi. you must be new

>>110837448
Why did you ignore the first half of the tweet?

https://youtu.be/QAOhnRKnYbc?t=155
It's pretty crazy that Cover didn't inform the EN boys about their intent to kill the JP homos and just let them pick up their lives and move to Japan. Would be nuts if they also dropped support for the EN homos shortly after.

>>110837673
Don't you think it's a little weird that you're this mad about people who have no bearing on your life? Or if you're not mad, then its a little weird that you spew such vitriol about someone that has nothing to do with you.

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>>110835021
>Oboretai
>Phase troon discord
Just passing to remind that the connections Pippa has with the 5guys and that she was spotted at Twitchcon hanging out with males that no one has ever seen before, implies she also joins the orgies at Orgycon.

>>110838054
>nothing to do with you.
not anymore maybe, but until now they've been wasting money that could've gone to the girls and their fans and even some of the homos themselves have slandered and attacked the girls and their fans on social media

>>110838032
their management lied to them and gave them false hope that moving to japan would give them more opportunities. cover should fire their management.

>>110838032
>Would be nuts if they also dropped support for the EN homos shortly after.
HomoEN is fucking cooked. The entire Homostar branch is a money-losing boondoggle that's done nothing but cause damage to Cover's lifeblood, Hololive. Yagoo's disastrous male vtuber experiment is finally over and it ended with complete failure. They're all getting flushed.

>>110835277
fpbp

>>110838116
>cover should fire their management.
Yes and also fire the Homos. Which is what they're doing.

>>110838104
To this day I haven't seen one solid argument of how the Stars waste money that could have gone to the girls. By that logic you could say mane-sans deserve to have their salary cut because that money could have gone to the girls, or they could pay their commision workers less. Penny pinching like that almost always leads companies down a dark path.

I don't recall Vesper or Magni (lets be honest they're who you're thinking of) insulting the girls themselves. Getting into fights with the fans could be argued as antis finding out after fucking around even if I don't agree with that.

>>110838116
Couldn't it also be that the lower management had no idea this was being cooked and it was all hidden under-wraps by higher ups until like a week ago? I don't know why people are running with the hypothesis that the assistants knew and intentionally lied to the talents.

>>110835277
Based?

>>110838254
>why people are running with the hypothesis that the assistants knew and intentionally lied to the talents.
their management was all fujos, it's very plausible

>>110836565
Oh so it the shareholders fault that homostars never made profit?

>>110838254
them booking studio time that could have gone to the girls is a massive waste of resource considering their views and low merch sales

>>110838288
During Jim Crow people thought it was plausible that the nearest black person was guilty of any crime that befell a white woman. Sorry for pulling such a shitty card but this genuinely feel like giving in to biases.

>>110838297
Was there ever proof that it was the Holostars and not Holoearth, mismanagement, or something else that makes it difficult for the girls to schedule as much 3D as they'd like?

>>110837059
They aren't the ones who got sent to the banishment room because fans are performative twittertoons lol

>>110836565
anon you could be supporting the homos RIGHT NOW by watching a stream instead of shitting your diaper posting here, but you wont.

>>110837109
kill yourself retard

>>110838337
it's plausible because their fans are the same ilk as localizers, social media managers and other breeds of subhumans who get into positions of power and lie to higher ups in order to ruin every hobby, you're probably one of them if you're pretending not to be aware of this. homos being hidden from fiscal reports is also a pretty good sign they weren't making money

>>110838254
>To this day I haven't seen one solid argument of how the Stars waste money that could have gone to the girls
That's because you're a disingenuous homosister playing dumb. Cover makes a finite amount of money and every yen that they invested into the Homos was a wasted yen that could have and should have been invested into Hololive.

>>110838337
Fucking retard

>>110837165
Damn I can't believe ERB, Shiori, Kronii, Mori, Ame, Aki, Suisei, Laplus, Sora, Roboco etc have all NEVER collabed or mentioned homos on stream! How could Cover sabotage them like this and force the girls to ignore them? Retarded faggot.

>>110838397
But there's no conclusive evidence then right? That's why the other guy just called me an idiot? Because they couldn't respond with anything solid?

Funny thing is I actually agree with you that the managers are likely to be annoying liberal types (and a lot of talents too, to be entirely honest) but whether or not they vote for Trump shouldn't have any bearing on their professional ability. You going into the tangent of woke subhumans just makes me dismiss your points as chud anger, sorry.

>>110838510
You're doing an extremely bad job of pretending you aren't a woke subhuman.

>>110838407
From what I understand a big part of why Niji has the shit culture that it does is because they are very open into how they only invest back into the talents that get them a profit. If Hololive enters that game too its very much not a stretch that they will eventually look at the low performers among the girls the same way. If you feel it'd "never happen", people in 2023 would have been equally surprised to learn of all the graduations that happened in 2025.

>>110838580
How many elections has MAGA won since Mandani's victory in NYC?

>>110838584
none of the graduees were low performers though, most of them were either lazy or wanted to take it easy

>>110838337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAOhnRKnYbc
>confirmed the recent meetings were about the total homo death
>can't answer things for EN specifically
>"there will be things coming in the future, which may result in a similar outcome"
>"for now, what we can do in order to maintain what we have right now, we just have to keep working hard."
>"if we stop working hard, the obvious is going to come, it's going to be similar a similar outcome to JP"
>"what i can do is make as much as I can while I'm still here"
>they didn't know this was coming before moving to Japan
>"we came here, one or two months in, we heard about this shit - 'oh that's bad'"
>"couple streams back i was saying something like, i don't know if it was right move to move over here, it was kind of bothering me about the whole move, cause now I'm like locked in here for two or three years"
>says they need to lock the fuck in and give as much content as they can because they have no other choice, gotta think positively, says they basically lied by omission before when saying the meetings went okay, apologizes for letting fans down

So yes en managers were not honest about how badly they are doing and so they moved to japan and got this news.

>>110835716
>>110835825
This kind of shit just makes people not want to watch either group

>>110838584
Hololive isn't entering that game. They're kicking the Homos to the curb for being a bottomless pit that consumes resources and gives nothing back. Being a low performer is fine. Being a non-performer isn't.

>>110835277
fpbp

>>110838636
I meant more in the sense that things which people are convinced could "never happen" at Cover are far more likely than people like to think.

>>110838584
The girls who left are set for life due to their hololive popularity and want to take it easier with less work or got fed up with nip management autism. Look at Sakuna, Saba, Dooby and how little they stream. Hololive recordings, performances and sponsorships have only increased. The homos on the other hand have not grown and only weigh the company down because no one comes here to watch "male idols". Cover fell for the niji meme and it didn't pan out that's all.

>>110838765
>things which people are convinced could "never happen"
like what

>>110835716
The idea they have about "[hologirl] audience will now follow and watch this [holodude] after the collaboration stream" will never stop baffling me.

>>110838751
To investors, being a low performer is the same as being a non-performer. They're both seen as "unworthy" of support.

>>110835825
this is why i hate the homos

>>110838876
oh shit we have an investor here

>>110838665
>en managers were not honest
bullshit, dubois have been under pressure to pick up their numbers for at least the past year, management has been continually forcing them to shill themselves harder and half of them are lazy insolents that resist it

>>110838510
People are calling you a retard because you are not worth wasting time in a reddit tier argument with, you stupid faggot.

>>110838909
they were lied to that their concert numbers were good

>>110838054
Most people hate sex pests

>>110838054
You sound like one of those nice guy creeps that gets caught giving roofies to teenage girls.

>>110838929
Or maybe you can't argue anything back and you pretend its not worth your time. I think anyone reading the thread will end up defaulting on the only side that is actually arguing something.

>>110838934
10K is not good in any world and the fact they only met their bare minimum lowest cap was probably the death trigger

>>110835021
>oboretai homobegging extraordinaire
no thx
that disingenuous faggot is soon out of the job
good

>>110838766
>Cover fell for the niji meme and it didn't pan out that's all.
The Niji meme didn't even pan out well for Niji. They only have like 3 successful male vtubers at this point and they're all on the JP side. NijiEN is a pile of burning wreckage.

>>110838981
You cant seriously be this retarded anon.

>>110838981
this is the brownest post ever lol only an indian could think like this
saaar please i argue longest saar belive me

>>110839082
Its more that there's nothing else to believe if the other person just calls you a retard or goes into weird rapey fantasies.

>>110838407
Wrong all money is for holoearth

>>110838876
>To investors, being a low performer is the same as being a non-performer.
Completely incorrect. To investors, there's a world of difference between a low performer and a non-performer. Because the former adds value to a company while the latter subtracts it. This is why the Homos are being sent to the shadow realm and not Roboco or Ollie.

>>110839128
i think what you fail to understand is that for most people the money wasted on HoloEarth and the money wasted on Homos were equally wasted

actually, HoloEarth didn't invite a slew of disingenous hateful discourse into Hololive by outsiders trying to undermine the core appeal of Hololive, so all in all a better investment

>>110838254
Just imagine being this faggot and instead of supporting his oshi hes here arguing with people on the internet. Typical of every homobeggar.

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>>110839128
>opens up Game Dev Story
>names his company PoloEarth
>runs it into the ground

>>110839128
Holoearth is gonna end up on the chopping block too if it's a money pit.

>>110838876
Gura just existed as a mascot yet and losing her brand is a bigger blow to cover than the entire homostars jp/en. Same for any other girl quite frankly. They are why cover is so big. The guys have failed and cover understands it's target audience now. It's not worth trying to be discount nijisanji

>>110839206
Supposedly in an interview one of the head honchos behind Holoearth said some REALLY dismissive things about the girls that rubbed a lot of people off the wrong way.

There was also that one incident where they included the likeness of that ojisan who killed a family with his car and got a slap on wrist for it. I vividly recall one anon asking "Why the fuck are the girls held behind so much redtape for PR image when this moneysink is allowed to do shit like this???"

You also have to wonder if the if amount of money "wasted" in both ventures is at all similar.

>>110839289
why haven't I heard about any of this, if your source is an anti twitter account I will staple you with squirrels

>>110839327
not that anon but the killer ojisan cameo is real. never heard of the interview thing though.

>>110837181
kinda funny calling homo fans toxic when homosisters have said they stopped attending holofes because live fans were so rude to them

>>110839327
>twitter account
Even worse... 4chan thread. Don't have a source on hand and memory is hazy. He was the director of something or other. And from what I can remember he said something like the IPs of the girls being the really valuable thing which his game could truly bring into its own potential and that the girls themselves didn't really matter too much. A lot of the anons really hated how much the guy was sucking his own cock through the interview like he was Omega or something.

The ojisan thing made the newsrounds in Japan at the time. I think you might find some articles if you look up "old man killer Holoearth scandal" or something. It was crazy how the NPC looked exactly like the geezer even if it was pure coincidence.

>>110839327
NTA but can confirm the ojisan thing.
https://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/c2025120501

>>110839235
That's actually pretty funny

>>110839418
Hololive fans are rude to homosisters because homosisters are toxic cancer that wants to burn Hololive to the ground.

>>110839206
Holoearth has around 60 employees working on it. Homos have no doubt been a much larger investment with less returns considering holoearth has the appeal of digital concert events.

>>110839418
successfully gatekept?

>>110839235
astel complained about this guy walking out on meetings so he can get food. hard to take this guy seriously when he didn’t gave a shit about stars in the first place.

>>110839327
you havent heard it because you are either a tourist or a retard anon

>>110839453
so the director thing is a 4chan fabrication and the ojisan thing is an unfortunate coincidence or at worst an edgy joke by one of the devs?

>>110839418
good, hope they enjoy living in the toxic environment their hate marketing has created.

>>110839289
and i'm sure hundreds of HoloEarth fans then jumped out in defence of that suit, saying shit like "he's right! fuck the girls who don't play holoEarth on stream, they are the real problem!"

Cover is nobody's oshi, Hololive fans like Hololive as a group of streamers and as a brand only as far as they know what kind of content they can expect from the brand

>>110839453
it most definitely wasn't just coincidence combined with his text blurb, the fact that they tried to pass it off as that was diabolical and more insulting than the original act which could have been passed off as a single dev's mistake. Instead they try to cover for it and THAT made it Cover's mistake.

>>110839206
Kind of but not really. HoloEarth actually has a possibility to bring in money. Homo doesn't. Holo also wasted more money
And what this anon said about staffs working on two projects >>110839507

>>110839206
>equally wasted
don’t be delusional
holoearth has a bunch of expensive game dev staff, 3D artists, maintaining servers, customer support, etc. meanwhile the boys had like what 3 managers for 12 streamers? axe a manager and reduce benefits instead and they practically become passive income

>>110839557
There was a link to the actual interview but I didn't save it. I forgot to mention that his position was exclusive to Holoearth. It was something like him being the head honcho of game design or the highest position with the game's coding, but I'm not too solid on that part.

>>110839573
Cover was a lot of people's oshi in 2023, Yagoo had standing ovations when he went to cons. It wasn't until like mid 25 that opinion on the company soured a ton.

>>110839559
The few times a starmin talked with me about this, it was the creepy/rude behavior and poor personal hygiene that repelled them from sharing spaces in cons with Hololive fans but that's anecdotal. I think both sides have the bad habit of looking at one bad apple IRL or on Twitter and abscribe it to the whole group. But I've had many female fans who told me they dislike hanging around fans of female Vtubers sometimes even if the chick herself is also a fan.

>>110839499
>>110839559
>they threw rocks at us so we get to shoot them in return

>>110839736
we've been tanking the rocks for years, and now cover randomly decided to drop a nuke on them lol

>>110839660
>they practically become passive income
Anon.. income requires them to be making profit which they have never done

>>110836395
>Random seethe against Bae in the same thread as people complaining about Twitter faggots shitting on Holos
See, this is why nobody takes any posts on this board seriously.

>>110839660
The investment into the homos was concerts, 3d, outfits, various promotions, events, merch. Holoearth has 8% of the 700+ workforce.

>>110839812
bae was a symptom of the problem (joined hololive because of the homos) thar became part of the problem herself (emboldened homofans to demand more coed collabs)

>>110839829
What were some of the big expensive events that Holostars sank money on after September 2023? I think since they got their countdown event cut they've been on lowk life support.

>>110839736
I didn't do shit but watch cute anime girls. Maybe fighting and guilt tripping a much larger audience because they don't want to watch what you like is a bad idea.

>>110839736
>they threw rocks at us so we get to shoot them in return
Yes. Homosisters spent years fucking around and trying to sacrifice Hololive on the altar of male collabs. Now they're finding out. People don't like you when you try to kill something they enjoy.

>>110835920
Airing my grievances as a yumejoshi unicorn. While I like Stars JP, it honestly went down the shitter when EN was announced.JP was good but, all of EN should of been axed as soon as the Vesper shit happened. I watched him and honestly felt "betrayed" with how he acted. Overdramatic, yes.

Troons and fujos, the most obnoxious people online started flooding in even more with EN. You would think fujos would be like yume unicorns, but not western unicorns. Western unicorns used to hate women being around men the shipped together.
But, now it's not "progressive" to hate women for getting in the way. I don't want men I watch collabing with women. Hololive is a unicorn company. A idol company. But, these types come in wanting to change it to their tastes. It's unbearable to be a stars unicorn. That's part of why Stars is failing.

They are not failing because of not "working hard enough". That's retarded in a space where you can stream for 3 times a year and most people will just accept it. Streaming will never be about working hard, it will always boil down to demographics. Hololive doesn't pander to femoids and half heartedly does so when it comes to stars. They would have been fine if they kept the genders separate and ignored retards from the west that were against it.
Now I just read vns, because the audience these guys attracts are constantly influencing them towards shit I don't like. Remember to gatekeep.

>>110839898
homobeggars aren’t homosisters and the beggars are also the ones going “I don’t watch the boys BUT-“

>>110839934
What did Vesper do that turned you off as a yumeunicorn? As a guy I thought it was great how much of a fuck he didn't give but I can see how some of his crasser behavior would turn yumes off.

Sometimes I wonder how much of Stars sucking in appealing to women comes down to Yagoo and upper staff being kinda clueless geeks. Well meaning (at least in Yagoo's case), just genuinely misguided.

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>>110839934
I feel sorry for all you silent victims in all this. When most of stars act the way they do it would've been impossible to gatekeep against those types

I don't even watch vtubers anymore, but if they get rid of males I might come back.

>>110840016
NTA, but while I actually gave homoEN a chance and watched Vesper + Altare for a few months (no homo, though, I thought they could've been the gamer / brotubers type), I eventually dropped them too (perhaps a bit earlier than that anon).
I basically started losing interest when Vesper ended up being suspended for, as he admitted himself later, being a menhera and hurt someone (not physically). His blatant lack of interest in unity with other guys didn't help either. I expect a guy to be less menhera than the girls.
That turned out to be the right decision and he + other homostars ended up being more womanly than some actual girls in holoEN.

>>110839715
>creepy/rude behavior and poor personal hygiene that repelled them from sharing spaces in cons with Hololive fans
I've never met an attractive well groomed female stars fan outside of Japan.

>>110839980
>homobeggars aren’t homosisters
They're one in the same, anon. The number of Homo fans who just want to stay in their lane and peacefully watch the boys without bothering anyone is so tiny they're virtually non-existent. Homobeggarsisters vastly outnumber them and have completely poisoned the well.

>>110839327
The car one is real and they got shat on for it for awhile but I don't think they ever removed it.
Idk about the other thing

>>110840016
I got tuned off by him once he kept having collabs with Kronii more than his own genmates. I really liked his chill dad humor and I was just very disappointed. It got worse when he got a redesign. My ojisans kept doing this, is it the equivalent of a v-tuber midlife crisis?

>>110840234
didn't it also happen to aruran after his fuckboy redesign

>>110840016
Holosalt was a curse on that branch
Helped numbers but only when a girl was on stream and didn't help their appeal as solo streamers or a group grow. Shiori or erb do not draw people in like holosalt either

>>110840234
Didn't he only have like 2 collabs with Kronii (one to one)? I think you might be including that Holosalt thing. I heard he did little with his actual genmates but man...

>>110840151
>His blatant lack of interest in unity with other guys didn't help either
I guess being a menhera loner in his 40's plus his outdoorsy life made him a bit unrelatable with the HQ guys. It still really bothered me how he supposedly kept ghosting Altare whenever Leader tried to set up group songs though.

>>110840154
Fujos can be fugly sure but women in general just don't have the pushiness and disregard for boundaries that male weirdos tend to have.

>>110840016
Vesper intentionally wanted to cause trouble and damage Hololive because he got off on being a problem. He used Kronii as a pawn to make people angry and it soured her so badly on male collabs that she joined team unicorn. You must be new as fuck to ask what the problem with Vesper was.

>>110840364
>holosalt
>literally salted the earth of holostars and male collabers

>>110840524
>women in general just don't have the pushiness and disregard for boundaries that male weirdos tend to have.
Aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha

>>110835021
The fans not being enough is going to be something that will bite all of our asses eventually.
I can't wait to see what kind of excuses will be thrown out then.

>>110840546
>Intentionally
He can come off as brutally dense but I never had the impression that Vesper/Randon is malicious. Just ridiculously tactless. I'll admit I only got more into Holostars around the time of Armis, yeah.

>>110840690
To be frank he isn't even the most tactless. Kiara and Mori are worse.

>>110840234
Aruran's redesign seemed to have more reasons behind it than just his midlife crisis. Vesper just didn't give a single fuck anymore and might have been convinced by Magni (or his own rock'n'roll attitude) to go out with a bang so he was already on crash course by the time of the redesign. I guess being middle aged in such a young-centric industry could fuck with your head a little, maybe.

>>110840690
>I never had the impression that Vesper/Randon is malicious
Right before Vesper got fired he raided Kiara just to upset KFP who had never wronged him in any way. He literally admitted he knew it'd upset people(the subtext being that Kiara was unicorn friendly and a Homo raiding her would cause drama). That was pure malice. It ended up being hilarious considering the timing though. It made it look like he got terminated for raiding her kek.

>>110840927
Except we know most of the girls are hags.

>>110840982
man all that just for kiara to try side with them in the end anyway

>>110840690
you are such a retard tourist holy shit

>>110840982
>Vesper got fired he raided Kiara just to upset KFP who had never wronged him in any way. That was pure malice.
he literally raped her on stream... how could he.... our beautiful pure lesbian virgin princess Kiara-chan...

people are rejoicing but it's obvious that cover isn't doing great. first holostars then holo id then ...

>>110841037
>never collabs with Homostars
>protests their branch getting cut
>gets attacked by homosisters because how dare she express sympathy
>learns that just ignoring Homostars is the best policy

>>110841230
What happens if it stops at the homos, anon?

>>110841230
Cover is going to do better now because they aren't throwing away money on the Homos.
>then holo id
Holo ID is profitable.

>>110841311
nothing?

>>110841345
>Holo ID is profitable.

you don't know that. how much the production of 3d content for holoid cost? do you have a number?

>>110841229
Vesper got raped right out of Cover.

>>110840982
The way I read the "they can kiss my ass" bit that was fucking funny ngl it sounded more like he just wanted to be friendly and did something because he felt like it without thinking too far ahead in classic Vesper fashion. Maybe it wasn't the wisest course of action but in the greater scheme of things it just wasn't that big of a deal, or at least thats how I can imagine a guy who went backpacking on a cross-country trip would think. Something that gets lost a lot in these discussions is that Vesper comes from a VERY different background to the typical chuuba so a lot of his more bizarre actions that can come off as him being an asshole (it could well be the case honestly) could be chalked to him being a weirdo or just having walked a different path in life.

>>110841389
Many Holos have mentioned that the base salary Cover pays them is small so it doesn't take a lot of donos and merch sales to cover the cost of keeping ID employed. Obviously they're doing fine which is why the Homos are getting murked and not the Homos + ID.
>how much the production of 3d content for holoid cost?
I doubt it costs Cover much. As far as I know, Holo ID pays for most of their 3D stuff out of pocket.

>>110841500 (Me)
Also odds are he knew from backstage that Kiara wouldn't personally mind and being a Stars he'd upset people just by breathing so that social punishment held no power on him anymore. Part of why its not wise to ostracize someone unless necessary, haha.

>>110841500
>>110841555
Incredible cope right thre

>>110841532
>ID are not getting murked
Not right now at least.

>>110841500
Eh, agree to disagree about Vesper's maliciousness. One thing's for sure though, motherfucker was a bad fit for Cover.

>>110836132
it only took them getting rug pulled for them to finally decide to try and be entertaining.

>>110841311
With how holoearth keep burning money? Doubt it

>>110841645
>bad fit for Cover
Haha, we can certainly agree on that part at the very least. Not all gambles pay off...

it's just really hard for sisters to come to terms with the fact that homos were the truly negligible ones in the end

>>110837342
she tried being understanding but the shitters just wouldn't shut up so she stopped being sympathetic toward the beggars.

>>110841345
Everything is profitable until it's not. People don't want to accept it. They're taking resources from a small group to put into a larger group which begs the question.
What's wrong with the larger group that they need a small amount of resources?

>>110841876
the problem you've been pretending to ignore the whole thread is that they were receiving the same amount of resources for none of the effort

>>110841906
If they were receiving the same amount of resources then they would have considerably more output in content.
They didn't. They were basically putting out the minimum which means thst the support they received was the minimum.

it's never worth arguing with you sisters in good faith, you deserve your fate

>>110835277
based based based

>>110840613
Personally i'm looking forward to see the next earnings call. As soon as the sentence "downsized due to lack of resources" is uttered, EVERYTHING is game after this point in terms of shareholder meddling. I hope smaller sized talents in holo are prepared. Shit will get wild.

>>110842049
Let's also not forget that the girls pay out of pocket for this shit too.
All at a huge loss too.

>>110838812
just one more collab bro, this time surely we'll get new none collab watchers. Just one more! The fact they are even blaming Kiara while still homobeggeing her for a pity collab is just insane. The few KFP that would watch homo's already do the rest would maybe tolerate the collab, but never watch the homos solo content.

>>110841976
Haha. See ya next catalog thread.

>>110842049
I wonder who these shitwits will scapegoat next if the stars leave.

>>110835021
Its not homos werent good enough, its that value system is different for men and women.

You either appeal to other men as being true bros, but that cant be done as vtubers. Or you appeal to women who want feminine men or extreme gayish, these are extreme niche taste. Normal women dont watch vtuber men for obvious reason.

Further the vtuber community is made up of lonely men. Something like 6/10 men age <30 are virgins. Meanwhile only like 1/10 women are

>>110841942
Retard
Vtubing is not some linear output where all vtubers are the same, take your highschool grasp of economics and kill yourself

>>110841942
by this logic indie vtubers who dont recieve corporate support would not exist lol

>>110842129
Number for women was quite a bit higher last I checked. I think like 20%??? People in general just aren't having as much sex.

>>110835021
I come back to this board after 3 years and this faggot is still around?

>>110839934
Honestly stars JP and their yumes are pretty acceptable in my opinion. The existence of EN and their trannies potential fan ruining Hololive and Holostars always makes my blood boil. These niggers has ruined everything they fucking touche.

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>>110842049
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>>110842096
>this will surely makes people likes holostars!
As per usual all sisters should've been beheaded long time ago

>>110836770
This is like the reverse situation between the NBA and WNBA.

>>110839289
don't forget the locked some 3D concerts to only be streamed on that, which is literally worse than just streaming it.

>>110842644
Who are you quoting and why did you post a picture of yourself?

>>110839517
Astel was based for only warning this was coming while calling out his entitled lazy branch member. Even naming some. whole reason the support and promo's are schizophrenic is that homo's had no input to give when asked so management was just doing it at random and gaging fan reaction. if your department never has a project plan or goal why are we giving you money?

>>110842644
>using an AI picture
OPINION DI-DI-DI-DISCARDED!!!!

Well for that you'd need an actual opinion and not some dumb meme you had to ask a bot to make for you because no way you'd get an artist to help you and fuck picking up a pencil, lol

>>110838357
The audacity to call someone else a “homo” when you faggots have never nor will you ever find a woman that would willingly allow you to touch them.

>>110841942
People are going around complaining that holostars are taking resources while the girls are doing bigger and bigger things every year. Makes you wonder what the fuck is going on when it's apparent that they need more despite them supposedly doing well as everyone is claiming.

>>110835277
/thread

>>110841942
they received minimum because their views are shit. the company isn’t going to invest if they can’t prove that they’re capable of drawing an audience.

>>110843010
They're content with just matching.

>>110839934
As a unicorn, it really is amazing how I used to be fine with StarJP, even shitposted with winning son memes, hell I was even okay with the occasional collab with like foob or matsuri or whatever. My oshi did a collab with them and thought it was fine as long as it didn't become a regular thing.
It really is tragic how StarsEN burned away all those years of goodwill in a couple months

>>110843096
If they were receiving the minimum then why was everyone acting like they were taking the majority? That means that something is fishy because that implies that the side they takes the majority is now in desperate need for scraps.

>>110843339
There's a good chance a lot of the Stars antis are Phasefans starting shit for the sake of it or because they think it'd benefit Phase somehow.

I used to think it was stupid too but I've seen it happen way too many times by now.

>>110843339
people just want them gone, even scraps is too much to give to them.

>>110843309
Was there are any particular incident that turned you over into an anti? Or was it just the summation of everything that went down in the first year of HQ? It sounds like the moral posturing from """starmin""" in Twitter turned a ton of people off too.

Kiara making a stink about it is all the proof you need.
She can make all the excuses in the world, but it doesn't change the fact that she's afraid for herself.

>>110843414
The tipping point was definitely the 2nd gen of ENhomos instead of EN3 and the realization that they actually were the replacement

>>110843823
Not going to get rid of the cycle for begging for new girls, getting new girls who don't stream, and then begging again

>>110841876
gee IDK not like a bunch of big and popular talents left to company recently. Really can't figure out how that could make them choose to tighten the belt and cut the useless fat off.

>>110843414
NTA but
-Magni shittalking his design on his alt.
-The Dingo shit talking Nintendo while doing a Soul Link Nuzzlocke when the company had limited time perms with Nintendo.
- For The Cause
- Vesper being a menhera fag
-The blatant favoritism in getting perms for shit the girls werent allowed to have (i.e Outlast Trials when Gura was basically begging and Im pretty sure the same thing for Deep Rock)
- 2 Redesigns within a year when IRyS had to be El Goblino for so long.

>>110843963
It is a healthy cycle, it generates excitement for new content with new people. The purpose of the Holobox is to get you watching until you find an oshi that you decide to support, and the expanding holobox provides anticipation of what new collabs she can potentially do. For those who are casual viewers and do not have an oshi (or are Hakooshi) the expanding roster gives increasing possibilities they will find an oshi and transition from a casual to a gachi, which benefits the company.
This is the AKB idol strategy, unfortunately, despite knowing how this shit works they decided that introducing men was a valid substitute, and thus the same thing that happened to im@s when they introduced male idols occured

>>110843823
I see. Was there something the EN2 guys/Vanguard did or did it just gave you a terrible impression that it looked like Cover was prioritizing Stars over Live? I guess I can see some people turned off by how female gaze-y the designs were. Thank you for the response btw, quite appreciated.

>>110844201
What's "For the cause"? Is that something related to Altare?
I always assumed most of Irys's suffering came down to Omega being a dick but supposedly he was let go a few months already by the time EN2 debuted.

>>110835021
The homoshitters need to shut up and fuck off. My son is the only one allowed to speak

>>110844313
Vanguard got fucked getting pushed out so close to HQ and then double whammy when the 2 HQ fags decided to be turbo fags. For the cause was the Altare Hogwarts thing. The only one in Vanguard I never gave a shit about is Flayon but thats because he's so fucking annoying sounding.

>>110844310
That's not healthy. That's an sustainable environment.

>>110843010
>>110843281
samefag chan you could be watching homo streams instead of projecting on 4chan, but here we are

>>110844313
I never watched holostarsEN so any misgivings of them was only through shitposting /here/. But yeah, releasing a new gen of homos 6 months after the first, when there hasn't been a new Holo gen for nearly 2 years was unfathomable, in a span of 6 months there were now 8 men to 11 women, all content I would not watch during a time of content famine. Basically seeing my support and money going towards something I don't have any interest in made me realize I would need to be louder in opposing it in order to ensure my money went towards my oshi's projects
Since I don't watch holostars my opinion on their design is worthless, but I think tempiss1 had overall bad designs, except for the aussie, I think tempoop2 had pretty good designs but again, I wouldn't watch them anyway

>>110844313
fucking tourist lmao

>>110843963
>>110844310
To add to this anon, it would allow the more successful girls to further their career, too. People complain about hologirls not streaming, but that's exactly what has been happening in AKB for decades: a girl gets more popular -> she starts getting jobs outside their theater (recording, TV shows, photoshot, etc.) -> her appearance frequency at their theater starts dropping drastically. Some of the top member only appeared at the theater once or twice every 2-3 months and in some case, had their birthday show delayed by a month, for example. That's why there was the joke that "oshi-ing" (pushing) someone means that the more successful they are, the further away they are from you.
It's nice from the fans to say "Keep streaming", but ultimately, if a girl keep streaming day in, day out, she will likely ever be just a streamer. Maybe a massively popular streamer, but nothing more.

>>110839934
Nice larp

>>110844783
>new gen of guys after 6 months when it was 2 years before Advent

That must have sucked at the time but I guess I understand it in the context where Flayon and Bettel signed on during HQ's auditions and they wanted to release them already (plus Magni and Vesper doing their dynamic duo probably didn't help). Advent was going through their year long training so maybe in Cover's mind the delay didn't look too awful because they knew that they were cooking up a golden gen on the oven. But the anger for a Holofan is quite understandable given how it must have looked at the time.

>>110835277
BASED

>>110835565
jesus man vtubing is so menhera

>>110839715
>Cover was a lot of people's oshi in 2023
that's newfag bullshit
if you were around for the chink yab of 2020 you'd know what people thought of Cover back when Coco graduated
or in general during pre-advent HoloEN, when the EN girls aired grievance after grievance with management

Yagoo was a beloved figure (and still is, his reception at Fes was still warm) because he's the founder and has always been very publicly exposed to take responsability of the company's actions, but everybody knows he's not the kind of CEO that takes all decisions
plus he's always been the type to try and establish a personal connection with the talent, which is appreciated by the fans

almost all Holo fanbases have one grievance or another with Cover, and are very outspoken about it