why do you think she left hololive in all but name

She's just telling people to not be cringe, is that really so much to expect?

shes a diva

She wants people to stop talking?
Is that physically possible? People never shut the fuck up for any reason.

>>110919318
Suisei doesn't want hoshiyomi to call her cute anymore because it's embarrassing her in front of serious musical artists. She wants to be known for her artistry not being a cute anime girl.

>>110919318
Truth be told the only reason people defend Suisei is because she's the face of hololive. She even lost the homo bootlicker base recently, only hardcore subhuman drones defend her now.

>>110919318
>Telling retards to shut up and let other people enjoy the performance without random verbal yelling
She did nothing wrong

>>110919444
It's always cringe when idols lose sight of what they are.

>>110919318
I think she's just really neurotic

>>110919318
>>110919348
>>110919511
>>110919537
>>110919550
>mindbroken
nice

>>110919318
I have said many time that she hates the shit out of her fanbase (despite them not really doing anything egregious) and that the thing she wants the most is to be a mainstream pop diva who doesn't have to bother with most of the things vtubers do.
But because the general fan is so retarded to fall into the whole yay slay girlboss thing and she takes care of her image in how she phrases things to give positive PR spins they all fall hook and sinker.

>>110919528
This
She never said "Don't do Suichan is kawaii chants", she said "Do them where they are appropriate"

>>110919642
what an ungrateful bitch

>>110919318
what a bitch, worse than Kiara

>>110919661
Shhhh, save your common sense for any other thread

>>110919642
>>110919667
>>110919683
>mindbroken
nice

>>110919318
any sane person hates the average vtuber fan

>>110919638
>>110919764
Yes she is, sad to see desu

>>110919318
Vtubers and the culture around it is still mostly in a bubble on its own. And to most normalfags (even in Japan) cringe as fuck.
What she’s saying is don’t unleash your full power level at a normie concert.
She’s also saying to not act like all the fleshy artists don’t matter and be respectful to them.

This is all because Suisei is trying to break the borders that’s between being a Vtuber artist and a full blown big league J-pop star. And part of that is cultivating a fan base and image that normies find palatable (this is also why she’s so strict on things like lewds since that is also something that would confirm a lot of normie biases toward Vtuber fans)

tl;dr, Suisei wants to be taken seriously but some of her fans are being retarded so she’s telling them off.

>>110919318
This moron has been throwing melty in /#/ for an hour straight and since it's SEA hours nobody paid attention to him so he decided to take it to catalogue
Come on dude go play some games instead of doing this shit

>>110919897
>Suisei wants to be taken seriously
is she aware of the fact that she’s an anime girl?

it's banned because it's an unofficial call not because she hates being called cute

>>110919528
>>110919661
It's a concert, people are loud all the time. She cares about this specifically because she's done using Holofans to get fame and now wants to jettison them in favour of normalfags whose idea of otaku media begins and ends at Demon Slayer. It'd be one thing if this was a once off, but it's been a persistent pattern for ages now

What a condescending bitch, but the japs love the heard mentality so she'll keep getting away with it.

>>110919318
You realize most of your oshis, especially idols, hate you right? They literally only tolerate you for your money.

>>110919318
I don't know who Suisei is and what this is about, but what normal person wouldn't hate the average vtuber fan?

This happens all the time where an artist uses a niche subculture to make a break and then discards them for mainstream normie fans.
She'll stop calling herself an idol eventually and then cut ties with Cover entirely and pretend she never pandered to wotaku at all.

>>110920301
Screencap this because it's damn true

>>110919318
This is just proper etiquette. Echoes Baa was not a suisei only event. She was just part of it. Hoshiyomis were cheering for suisei when it wasn't even suisei's turn to appear.

Hating the average vtuber fan is the norm not the exception. You are just a wallet. You don't get to complain.

>>110919318
>Burgers not understanding that being loud is a nuisance to others.
>Burger not understanding that you don't tell or talk in a movie theater.
I am noticing

>>110919897
mostly this. Ignore the rest of the thread.

>>110920301
Yup, too bad she’s not good enough of a singer to hack it on her own. If she were she wouldn’t have needed Cover to begin with.

>>110919318
Grim.
Imagine paying to see this dancing on a screen.

>>110919318
Looks like after forming her own agency, she is just one step away from denouncing the creepy cult. Good for her.

>Talentless half-flip thinks she'll escape the vtuber niche to make it big as a jpop star
Kek

>Asking your fans to not be turbo autists in a public event that she happens to be a guest in
>This is bad somehow.

Only a brainlet or an anti thinks this is bad.

I hate nu-/vt/, full of senseless shitposting. Throwing shit everywhere not understanding why, or if it was deserved. Just because the dopamine hit when someone replies to you.
bunch of faggots.

>>110919353
>She's just telling people to not be cringe
Vtubing is cringe as fuck. If she can't embrace it, she should have the grace to ignore the people's actions that brought her wealth and fame.
Don't get me wrong, she's right and the cringelords that enjoy vtubing enough to show up in person and act the same way they do on the internet should all be culled.
Just, if I was in her position, I'd keep my fucking mouth shut and enjoy not having to work a real job.

>>110920463
Here's a hit, my man. First time's free. Next time you have to bait the hook.

>>110919318
>she hates vtuber fans
>I hate vtubers
WE ARE

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>>110919353
I dont care about this but in every single example of this, the person saying
>its cringe
its the one that is embarrassing in behaviour.
Suisei is not at all cool, she is cringe.

>>110920408
>Literally has her own studio now
Damn.

>>110919318
>the usual cringe stuff you all do
>literally never came into being until her first Japan tour
Shout in Crisis never had this issue, and when some people started doing it during the tour a lot of people were allegedly annoyed.
>>110919353
>She's just telling people to not be cringe
It was never about it being cringe, it's about minding your surroundings. In a crowded public parks when you're doing a photoshoot with other hoshiyomis? Don't. In a private space where it's all hoshiyomis and nobody else can hear you? Shout away. In a concert venue where not everyone wants to respond to random people starting the chants and are actually bothered by it? Yeah maybe think again, same case with house tigers shouting randomly during MCs.

>>110919318
lmao, did she catch some disgusted looking side eyes from other performers or something? I mean its hard not to feel that way after one look at her own fans

>>110920965
A group behaves like the group, individuals are irrelevant

Mogged by Ado in every single metric. You know it eats at her.

>>110921081
Metrics aside objectively every holo with an original album has created better work than her.

vtubers love to have their cake and eat it too
my favorite is when they claim the vtuber character is separate from the person behind it, but then sue people for insulting the character like it's an attack on a real person
like nintendo suing people for calling mario fat

>>110919318
If kind of comes off like she thinks idols and idol fans are cringe and she wants to be seen as a legitimate musician rather than someone who is only popular because she's got a bunch of socially inept losers simping after her.

>>110921266
fucking retard.

>>110919318
>I hate vtuber fans
>She hates vtubers fans
That's my oshi

Time to pop uos at her next concert

>>110921113
No one cares about that though. Only the numbers.

>>110919642
>>110919897
True I would rather be friends with the average playboicarti fans than the avg hololive fan. The average hololove fan posts to other members what they would love to their virtual oshi even though every talent would act like Emiru irl if you ever attempted to touch her irl. I completely understand why most of them attend conventions using tablet less irl interactions with you freaks.

>don't gatekeep
>normalfag whore who can't make it in the normalfag world says I bet I can make it with nerds
>whore takes over
>starts doing whore things.

>>110919444
Too bad her music is all genetic idol shit. The other artists were always going to think less of her.

>>110921313
The premise of the thread has nothing to do with that.
It's what is or isn't cool.
Hololive is cool. Girls that don't immerse themselves in that are cringe.

>>110919318
Anon, she only hates fans like you.

She was only asking for fans to have some manners

>>110919318
>prude is acting like a prude
Shocking news

>>110921081
Why do ado fans seem to care a lot about suisei? They seem to always bring up ado whenever there's a sui anti thread. Are they insecure or what? Does an elephant need to care about an ant?

>>110921917
because it's usually the same person, suischizo.

suisei has always hated her fans and it's always been obvious this was all a means to an end. she tried to make it as a fleshy and failed so went into vtubing as a last resort. she's probably realistic enough to know she's still too ugly to make it as a fleshy but she wants to ditch anything vtubing as much as possible.

>>110919318
Everyone should hate the average vtuber fan

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>>110919318
This is why I enjoy seeing Suisei fuck ugly bastards and giant insects.
S+ degradation material.

It kind of reminds of Aya Hirano who was huge among the otaku, but wanted to move away from them and wanted normalfag audience, also made some comments how disgusting otaku are.
Of course after that she also had sex with her whole band.

>>110923103
>Of course after that she also had sex with her whole band.
Except the bassist*
Dont forget the most important part Anon

>>110919318
Upon looking in to it a bit, she also called out the angry fans trying to police others; and it mostly had the vibes of her wanting everyone to shut the fuck up

>>110919318
If she wants a normalfag audience so badly, she should just drop the whole vtubing thing and go fleshsinger route.

>>110919897
>tl;dr, Suisei wants to be taken seriously but some of her fans are being retarded so she’s telling them off.
Suisei's being quite reasonable here.

>>110923221
she's too ugly. she wanted to do this originally.

>>110919318
>>110919897
Tldr Suisei now that she's known by normies wants to pull a Nyanners and pretend her previous fanbase never existed and that she didn't purposefully act in a way to pander to said fanbase.
Because all she cares about is money.

>>110923407
faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJxEaUa0fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJxEaUa0fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJxEaUa0fY
here's a clip if you don't understand.

>>110919897
Kind of shitty when the "cringe" loyal fanbase is the only reason she's successful. She's a decent singer, but a lot of her popularity is due to hololive fans not the innate quality of the bulk of her music. I'd argue even that Marine has a better ear for pop hits. But neither are Ado.

>>110921917
Because it's an obvious comparison. They make similar music just Ado is an actual artist, while Suisei is a stuck up vtuber

>>110923717
suisei's music has gone down a cliff imo. stellar stellar, ghost, now it's largely garbo. and holy fuck what in the WORLD was chatter chatter. how the fuck do you take marine and suisei and make such a terrible song. marine usually only has incredible earworms but chatter chatter was one of the most forgettable things I've ever heard. just shit

>>110922010
She's just the wrong ethnicity for nippon it's hardly her fault

>>110920965
>In a crowded public parks when you're doing a photoshoot with other hoshiyomis? Don't.
HOLY SHIT EAT A DICK
People should interact with people minding your surroundings also means recognizing what you are if you aren't interrupting anything you aren't bothering anyone

Easy, stop being a vtuber and show your face. I’m sure people would stop

>>110919318
She really is a cunt isn't she

>>110919897
/thread

>>110924161
She just wants to be the next Marvel. Wasn't it obvious when she told everyone to stop making lewds of her because she thought normies might think she wanted them made?

>>110924057
LMFAO

>>110919318
Based Suisei, incel creeps should kill themselves

>>110919318
I'm done with her
I hope more people do the same thing

>>110919318
She's not an idol anymore, she's a pop diva.

>>110920906
Which is owned by Cover and another company that Cover helped with some investing.

>>110919318
If you don't want vtuber fans, don't use a vtuber model.
It's not fucking rocket science.

>>110924297
>Average Hoshiyomi not knowing that Suisei would never make it if not for Vtuber pioneers who made their space like the Heavenly Kings or Sora, and Cover who took the opportunity made by those vtubers to profit.

>>110923084
Kek
Basado

>>110923570
>Some hoshiyomi in front were being shitty
>Susei didnt see them
>No staff saw them
>Only proof is some salty Twitter literally who accounts
Is she sure it actually happened?

Hoe she mad she sussy

>>110919318
Average vtuber fan deserves hate.

>>110919318
Thank you Suisei. For a second I forgot about how much women hate us and see us as nothing more than tools.

>>110925259
It was real in her mind.

>>110919318
I never even heard of this slut until not long before the spinoff thing. But it never goes well in any genre of entertainment when someone tries to rid themselves of their original fans, because nobody else is going to consistently pay the bills after your 10 seconds of fame (if you even get one of those).

>>110919537
Agreed.

>>110923820
Chatter Chatter is indeed dogshit and one of the worst songs Marine has put out (and she hasn't been good in a while to begin with) but Primadonna was very good imo.
t. ichimi

>don't yell out vtuber/chat memes during normie concert
>AAAAAAAHHH SHE HATES US
ITT people who go to Japan and be loud on the train

>>110927113
if you never heard of her, you should watch the actual 15 minutes clip explaining what happened >>110923570
she never ditched any fans. OP is a fag.

>>110923717
Watch the video.
She told her fans to behave. She's not asking for anything unreasonable.

>>110928094
>just shut the fuck up, never do ANYTHING, but eat the slop, buy my merch, and blindly love everything I do no matter

>>110928761
>Burgers and Seafags wonder why everyone hates them
Yeah it's a mystery why you faggots are so hated and asked to behave.

You could at least have the decency to stop being an anime girl if you don't want to be treated like one

Anyway, I hope you enjoy the normie audience, Suisei

>>110919318
Based.

>>110919897
>Hey all my fans who bought into my underdog story as I leeched my way into relevance on the backs of Hololive. I just wanted to use you to get enough views on my music to kickstart my musical career as I completely abandon the content that made (you) my fans, please stop alienating the normies by reminding them I used to be associated with you <3

>>110930974
>miscontructing words

>>110922010
I dunno about the hate part, but the rest of what you said is true for like 70% of the talents in Holo. All failures of different levels who only gave vtubing a shot because they thought that was the only way to live out whateber dream they failed at the first time. We'll just do EN to make it simple
>Mori
Failed artist struggling to make anything stick
>Kiara
Failed idol
>IRyS
Failed singer trying to find some way to get bigger
>Bae
Failed dancer
>Kronii
Failed voice actress
>FWMC
Failed idols
>Nerissa
Failed singer looking to get bigger and break into voice qcting
>ERB
Failed singer and voice actor jumping ship from one shit fandom to the next to try to get popular

Wow Suisei is vocal about the Japanese fans and she is not happy. She's discontented with the kimo ota otaku and with the whole Suipiss thing. I guess she were holding out hope for a fanbase this isnt Vtuber fans. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to leave Hololive in all but name and get her own studio. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy she is.

I think its fair enough if artist wants to try create certain type of culture to their concerts.

Following the wave of graduations driven by disagreements with management, other members, including Suisei, have admitted that Hololive is no longer the same and stated that they like the company's new direction.

Enjoy!

>>110919444
She shouldn't have become a fucking vtuber then, just using it as a tool to hide who she is

>>110919537
vtubers are a mockery of real idols.

>>110919444
Then she should drop the vtuber model and become a flesh singer. That'll get people to stop calling her cute LMAO

>>110932653
I wonder what she does look like irl

>>110932894
Large

wtf is kawaii call?

>>110933000
Got proof or second hearsay

>>110931338
>Mori
>Failed
Retards still hating her huh?
>Irys
>Failed
Why do people lie so much?
>Bae
>Failed
Proof?
>ERB
>Failed
Ah, you're a unicorn retard, explains it all.

>>110933442
The homos lost :)

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>>110933000
It's not her fault Anemachi is too good at cooking!

>>110919318
>Does Suisei hate the average vtuber fan?
Who doesn't?

>>110919537
She's a real singer with real talent, she knows her worth

>>110921533
Next time don't immediately reveal you've never listened to her music lmao

>>110930974
>>Hey all my fans who bought into my underdog story as I leeched my way into relevance on the backs of Hololive. I just wanted to use you to get enough views on my music to kickstart my musical career as I completely abandon the content that made (you) my fans, please stop alienating the normies by reminding them I used to be associated with you <3
Expect that's not what she said AT ALL lmao
She just want her fans to get stereotyped as inconsiderate dickheads because they behave at music festivals the same way they do a Holo concert

>>110933442
>Taking the ERB bait designed specifically to out you as a sister
God you're so stupid lmao

>>110919353
WHERE

You guys remind me of Sleep Token fans. When they play at metal festivals, the fans booed other artists and dropped crowd surfers on their heads. If you're going to see Suisei at a festival of other artists, you assimilate woth the rest of crowd and dont be a turbo autist.

why cant people just have a good time at shows and concerts? i mean our parents went to ratt, van halen, and other hair metal shows and had a good time and didnt care about being cringe or doing overly cringe like things why is this so hard for the new generation

>>110936744
Its more about Suisei's fans shitting on the other artists during the show.

>>110936744
Apparently normie concerts and idol concerts are kind of different

>>110936744
this is Japan

>>110937468
Regular concerts in Japan don't use pen lights

>>110936825
>calling suisei cute = shitting on other performers
???

>>110938828
https://youtu.be/gfJxEaUa0fY?si=2NQ9MxVG3PlJv749

>>110919528
Concerts and idol shows in particular are all about audience interaction though, have you never seen a singer point the mic towards the audience at certain points so they can sing along with the lyrics?

>>110939538
>>110919318

>>110919318
she wants to be a real idol so bad. lol. cringe ass nigga. she needs a reality check.

>>110936105
>Makes a stupid statement
>"SISTER"
Literally rent free.

>>110919318
Again, as I wrote in another thread, we are talking about the same person whose breakthrough song says she does't wanna be the princess waiting for a prince charming to save her, but the prince herself.
She's always been as much of a feminist as a japanese vtuber can be. She's all about the "I'm a strong, capable woman and I'll speak my mind and tell you what I want and don't want you to do". Like it or not, she has a bit of that girlboss attitude. It's part of the package.

>>110939538
>if you don't like the other artists don't come, only come to the solo live.
this is a stupid thing to say

>>110919444
Sucks for her. She got a past now.

>>110941497
The ultimate goal of this Studio Stellar business is to shed the vtuber persona entirely and become a fleshie artist/idol. She'll start doing small "experimental" videos and concerts as her real life self and if those get good response they will increase.

>>110944308
she already said the ultimate goal of Studio Stellar is to be able to grow her image, and the vtubers in the normalfag sphere, without having to rely on Cover's management structure and flow.

>>110939587
Here exact message literally says "except when prompted by the performers" so yes she is still allowing interactions but doesn't want people turning her concerts into "their moments"

>>110919318
My wife Ado clears Suisei, and to answer a question posted earlier in the thread people bring her up because they're both the fabled blue women that do J-pop/J-rock, I enjoyed Suisei earlier in her career but she became more and more stuck-up and it ruined my impression of her.

>>110919511
>She even lost the homo bootlicker base
huh?

The main reason this reflects so badly on Suisei is by her own words, she admitted she's the problem. Every criticism she directed at her fans applies one thousand fold on her. One of her main rants was about how Hoshiyomi make the fanbase look worse by pretending to be above it all and claiming the rest of Hoshiyomi are garbage but then she also talked to them as if she was above them all and they were garbage despite admitting she has no proof of it as someone who was watching her fans live at the performance. She doesn't actually know that any of the rumors about how bad her fanbase are true but lives as if they are while also criticizing her fans for not realizing that a lot of shit is spread by antis under false pretenses.

>>110945141
>she admitted she's the problem
where?
>Every criticism she directed at her fans applies one thousand fold on her
no, it doesn't.
>she also talked to them as if she was above them
she, unironically is.
>and they were garbage
headcanon.

the rest is bable.

>>110919318
>normal fandom
But those are even worse, she has no clue what she is asking for

Imagine comparing ado to a lower tier singer. This is like a heavyweight fighting a lightweight. At least ado fans knows that ado can't compete with singers of the same tier.

>>110919318
This is so sad.
I’m not really a vtuber fan, and I think the vtuber community is super cringe.
Every time I see people cosplaying as vtubers or doing dumb stuff and acting like it’s hilarious, it’s cringe to the bone for me.
The worst part is that Suisei feels the same way I do.
Even I know that an idol should let fans enjoy themselves the way they want instead of making them feel ashamed for it.

>>110919318
she wants to leave vtuber culture and be like Ado, fuck this bitch

I wish for IDs on this specific thread.

>>110945900
>Every time I see people cosplaying as vtubers or doing dumb stuff and acting like it’s hilarious, it’s cringe to the bone for me.

That's just cosplay in general. They all try to be funny, quirk chungus but the people who really find them funny are themselves.

>>110919971
https://streamable.com/ul0hfw
she is trying to break the containment, first step was to make her own studio

>>110919318
Hololive is in full implosion. They lost heavy hitters, biggest EN, cash cows, idols, even the homos they tried to shill.
Just end it fagoo.

>>110919444
How is she an artist? She doesn't even make her music. They just give her the lines to sing.

>>110947123
she told the lyricisits "now can u make that line better? okay good, nice collab!"

>>110944876
Shes always been a stuck-up bitch

>>110947123
Many music superstars don't compose their own songs.

>>110919353
Why would she go for the fortnite crowd then ?

>>110944625
basically the thing Kanata exactly needs, but she never got because it's too late anyway?

If you look at the average vtuber chat it's some middle aged balding japanese salarymen just spamming "kawaii" on cooldown so desu I can't blame her here

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>>110948124
i mean if every one of your fans looks like a chigyu (pic related), you'd reel in disgust too.

>>110948124
The support of these "middle aged balding japanese salarymen just spamming kawaii" made her entire career.
Of course /vt/ secondaries don't know that Suipiss was the biggest "kawaii uguu" persona before she blew up with her music.

>>110944054
Worded exactly like that (and like she did), yes.
But the root of the problem being her fans showing disrespect to other artists performing along Suisei, no. She was absolutely right to discipline people behaving like that.
If anything it heightens the view of her character. Wanting every artist to be respected. Not wanting to steal the spotlight.

>>110949374
>the biggest "kawaii uguu"
being a psycopath in Project Winter isn't very kawaii.

>>110919318
If you spend like 2 hours on /vt/ and don't come out hating the average vtuber fan there's something wrong with you