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This thread is to discuss /vt/‘s very own Kiki.

>LAST STREAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzOST4m2I4k

>Who is Kiki?
Kiyomi Pyon-Pyon, or Kiki for short is an adorable autistic Aussie chuuba. She's a wicked bright, and super sweet girl with a passion for animals and her champyons!
https://youtu.be/1vjStYtGkJs
https://youtu.be/PyeTpOgLWiY

>Carrd
https://kikipyonpyon.carrd.co/

>Kiki Lore and Intro Videos
https://youtu.be/W-bLrgrXdSg
https://youtu.be/eweZ2EDK7v4
https://youtu.be/wxL2YkOhaMs

>NEWEST KIKI CLIPS
https://youtu.be/2sd-aYoaOtg
https://youtu.be/YN_1OOVO7oo
https://youtu.be/EOkMNgZTzbE

>KATABASIS WEBSITE
https://katabasis.moe/

>Merch (*NEW: Katabasis Merch, Soap, Butt Mousepad, Keychains, Stickers,* Deskmat, Magnets, Coasters, JP Snack Pack, Tapestry, Standee, Daki)
https://memebars.com/collections/the-katabasis-collection
https://shop.moso.moe/kiki-pyon-pyon/
https://weebe.net/shop/character-goods/keychains/kiki-pyon-pyon-baking-time-acrylic-keychain/ code: KATABASIS5 (5% off)
https://www.capippalisttradeguild.com/product/13x19-print-kiki-feet-rishartist-/264
https://www.capippalisttradeguild.com/product/9in-dakimakura-keychain-kiki-pyonpyon/263
https://diipoo.com/shop/kiki-daki/

>Danboorus, Aggie, & /i/ thread (Art/Fan Content)
https://pyon.website
https://booru.rabbalabs.com/
Previous Aggies: https://pyon.website/pools/1
>>>/i/723670

>Katabasis Covers:
https://youtu.be/JB6GhjWT4ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgzyBpO8Ouk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu7a6PjiSpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Z2a4f6k7k

>Kiki's Covers and Songs
https://youtu.be/xwHH28JFrnU
https://youtu.be/2tPTie7UmyU
https://youtu.be/Zpdu7yFk1tA
https://youtu.be/24K-LkEhLqk
https://youtu.be/8v9OUHzxy_o
https://youtu.be/7JSSOnss85Y
https://youtu.be/FzMJ0LWTUYQ
https://youtu.be/TXi-SDZJEwE
https://youtu.be/XLKYnOALHac

>ASMR Collection, Voicepacks & AI LoRAs
https://rentry.org/7uqu8mvq

>/pyon/ Cytube (Community Watchalongs):
https://stream.rabbalabs.com/r/pyon

>Kiki Notifications RSS feed w/ instructions
https://rabbalabs.com/rss/feed.xml
https://pastebin.com/nGsaGEZh

>Misc. Rabbalabs links (timestamp tagger, VOD search, /pyon/ archive)
https://rabbalabs.com/tagger/
https://rabbalabs.com/vods/
https://rabbalabs.com/pyondex/

>/pyon/craft server
https://rentry.org/pyoncraftguide

>Champy Creative Corner
Champy Creations playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuUil1VBO4o7PpCUPwTKvj_4l7UBE8toP
Music (Kikikore): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuUil1VBO4o5iNrFvZm8eMQGtj9xnacjM
Kiki Ambient Album: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18C-GvhOs5uG90xx4Et-yIF2QJHSUV0Eg/view
Animations: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuUil1VBO4o4TyrbqW87D2aygzbUMLMVs
Kiki Koikatsu Archive: https://mega.nz/folder/Bx4XXYTb#o7L7D5bg4XverGHQ03upkQ
Kiki Noises Sound Effects Library: https://mega.nz/folder/LnRjWaoL#UL6z0KJcBwRPBapmRdAg2Q
Kikinese: https://files.catbox.moe/yv1xre.pdf
Kiki Doom 2 WAD: https://files.catbox.moe/pd9lr9.zip
/pyon/ Worms game: https://mega.nz/folder/46VjwSRS#DihAVX2GfbOvMiY0X_1nEA
Super Champ Bros (SMB rom hack): https://files.catbox.moe/0tbbps.zip
AoE2 Kiki civ mod: https://www.ageofempires.com/mods/details/316335/
https://www.ageofempires.com/mods/details/316395/
Kiki DoW Banners/Badges: https://files.catbox.moe/n6qe1d.zip
/pyon/ Tetris: https://seburd.itch.io/tetrispyon

>Related places
>>>/vt//freak/ >>>/vt//vrt/

>Last thread
>>111025447
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You let it die.
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goodnight kiki n champs
kiki would appear to be a world leader in mini donut science and consumption ethics
it was a surprise to see the thread die quite as quickly as it just did
nini zuz
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>>111034537
no that was you
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>>111034649
gompliments to the chef
gunai
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i love you giggles
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Kiki Love!
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>>111034840
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хpиcтoc вocкpece
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>>111035338
Bockpece to you too:)
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nini pyon
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>>111035882
нини
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>>111035882
Gunai fren
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Goo morn
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>>111037229
What does a good Christian girl like her need with those tissues in bed..
I need answers.. did she spill..?
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>>111037411
yeah, me
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>>111038248
I wish I was more human for her
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>>111038248
aw hi giggles mcgoo
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>>111038592
i wish i could switch back and forth between being a robot for work and human for pleasure
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>>111040402
woah sneaking champy... hes so secretive
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is the stream time correct, it's 1h later than usual
I don't recall giggle mentioning that
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>>111042145
Australian DST hit recently? But that was a week ago I think
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>>111042145
She's been up all night scrolling twitter and chugging sprite, give her a break
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>>111042145
i've noticed she has had that time put down a few times, only to change it closer to the event
might also just be a sleep pattern hedge
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Ramplepedes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEXrMQC6Lk
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How is it going fellow pyonners
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>>111045496
not great, but gotta keep going
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>>111045496
>fellow pyonners
havent seen that meme in a while
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>>111045496
Ya know, goobin it up
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>>111045496
im eating lolly cake at 10 in the morning
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>>111045496
got me some food to nom on
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Do you think Kiki would be upset if a champ got a voice changer to sound exactly like her and a model that looked just like hers and started to stream pretending to be her
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>>111048472
that would be premium gay of you champoo
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>>111048481
I just want to be loved...
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>>111048519
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>>111048519
be loved by kiki
not us
all you gotta do it let it happen
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>>111048519
i heard you might have better luck if you try developing an eboy persona
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>>111048519
Kiki loves all of us, that includes you, fren
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champy is champ kun. mind blown
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>>111048519
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>>111051422
Reminds me of this that was popular on /vn/ for a while cause some anon's text hooker translated that word as "nigga"
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>>111051870
dunno, why not both? does she have to move her stuff now? do you have to stream now?
also i'm a little skeptical you would be much help when moving
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>>111051870
She needs to understand that streaming is your job. Not only do you have preexisting plans but those plans are for work. Put your foot down and tell her that she needs to give you at LEAST a 24 hour warning if she wants you to drop your source of income to help her with something.
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>>111052170
ha, good luck with that. i have the same problem, nobody treats working from home as actual work and my room as my office space.
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>>111035338
true
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>>111052585
the reply is вaиcтинy вocкpece
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>>111052664
yep
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>>111040402
aaaaiiieeeeeeeeeeeeee. spooky night champ....
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>>111052664
>хpиcтoc вocкpece
ex-pown-cutoc bok-piece
>вaиcтинy вocкpece
ban-cut-nn-hi bok-piece
???
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>>111052814
hristos (christ) voskrese (resurrected)
vaistinu (truly - in truth) (he) voskrese (resurrected)
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>>111052239
I have found that people will push you around exactly as much as you let them push you around.
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>>111052993
ogey mwah <3 love you sweetie
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>>111052993
So we wanna CY or play games?
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>>111053188
have fun, i was going to sleep soon anyway
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>>111052993
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>>111053188
I am fine with both. Do you have a game or show/anime in mind?
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>>111053476
We could continue with red dwarf or we could play one of the games we talked about;
>AoE2
>Tetris
>worms
>little war games
>unciv
>v rising
>any snes or GameCube game
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>>111053739
I have played AoE2 before so I wouldn't mind that. I haven't play little war game but always wanted too back when champs played it in 2023 I always missed the lobbies :( I rike red dwarf too
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>>111053739
>>111053809
I guess it depends if champs want to watch or play more? I am fine with both
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>>111053809
Lets do little war games on the half hour, in about 25 min. I don't really geel like hosting and it is a browser game so no one would have to install anything
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>>111053884
ogey
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>>111053884
are champoos bready?
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https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1103
https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1103
https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1103
PW:kiki
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You tell them were to go, not who to attack. If you keep right clicking they will never attack they will always be moving
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>>111054649
it says game not found?
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>>111055321
We can do another game
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>>111055321
https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1115
https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1115
https://littlewargame.com/play/?inviteCode=1115
same pw
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I lagged out
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eehhh :( I was doing well too
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Im eepy, sry going eep
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had a three base eco with six racks 2/2 about to get 3/3
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>>111055769
ogey maybe next time champa. I did have fun
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https://files.catbox.moe/j4ycow.jpg
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goodnight
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Does Kiki ever partake of the devil's lettuce?
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>>111057114
Never has, never will
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>>111056951
nini champ
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Pure Mario Sunshine SKILL!!!
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wholesome doom champ moment
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>>111058853
Doom LOVE!
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It's RIGGED
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When Pikmin are in need of a mushroom battle kiki answers the call!
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Kiki is a zoomer now...
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kiki was sorry she made this noise
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Silence child !
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kiki is so good at mario sunshine!
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ate harvest snaps today and thought of kiki
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kiki watching me at the cinema
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https://www.twitch.tv/kikipyonpyon/clip/WealthyFreezingSalsifyNomNom-FBvn21x-0Ej9CjGR

Everyone, say hi to Mr Durian
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What's Up Mother Fuckers!
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>>111063075
Hello me
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does kiki really think that little of me..
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>moments before disaster
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goodnight kiki n champs
yeah i drive
i thought the iconic jacket and speedos was a funny look
all serious with a pushbike
nini zuz
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>>111063646
Nini fren
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>>111063646
that's literally me
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ate Kiki today and thought about harvest snaps
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>>111063834
That's how you do it champ
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>>111034840
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I hope giggles got some clips I sent her for possible short ideas
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Yep, that seems normal. Just a sale is all.
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>>111063968
I managed to confirm with Kiki that Twitch clips are accepted by Marshmallow
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>>111064439
cool. I sent a couple in one good so I hope it doesn't think it's spam
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Collab?
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>>111065549
I'm guessing no
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kiki's 100% foolproof way to impress a girl (REAL)
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>>111065702
I can't wait to get my four kiki messages <3
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giving giggles coochie a humble electric shock, just a little cattle prodding
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>>111066813
Holy smokes!
Nice pic
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>>111066813
spooky
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kiki mii
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We have a champa going through a rough patch in life. Can we get some prayers for him?
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>>111066385
Wait we were allowed to ask for more than 1 from Kiki? I thought it was max one per girl?! I made a horrible mistake
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>>111067955
Yeah, I thought the same so I asked the one handling it (ch4i) in the kata kofi thingy and her/they said I could get multiple kiki messages if I met the requirement for it.
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giggles please would you write one to me personally every day for the rest of your life thanks
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>>111067593
I smell something cooking
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>>111067877
cute wife
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She's so cool and demure
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nini champs
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>>111070516
nini
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I farted
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trapping Kiki under the bedcovers and farting in her face until she learns to accept her fate
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does anyone know what "DNB" thing that keeps being mentioned on twitter is?
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giggol love
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>>111072719
Quick search says either
>a Norwegian bank
>drum and bass house music
>the cricket equivalent of a ball
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>>111072719
a mutual of mine said it means "dead nigger baby" and it's a video of an african toddler being killed that chuds like to spam under trans people's posts
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>>111074349
Classic
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>>111076740
ello
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>>111078118
I can hear her
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>>111067922
i swore that guy was talking about that months ago, guess court stuff takes a while
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>>111078857
Fraud or vehicular manslaughter?
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>>111078949
He fraudeded
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>>111078857
i think that was a different guy, we're all hardened criminals apparently
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>>111079071
Fraud isn't a real crime
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>>111079071
Nah, it's the same guy, he's on the cord.
I wish him the best, hope there's wifi there or some way he can still catch up with us
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...
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LIVE btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWssxCNe8K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWssxCNe8K0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWssxCNe8K0
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they return...
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she is addicted to the pain
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Is it still possible to get a letter from Kiki? They sound like real artefacts.
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>>111081823
Nah they're rewards for the donothon Katabasis did way back when
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Kiki would you Smash with me if i asked nicely?
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I'll take two cunt hairs please
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for that guy if he ever makes it here
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kiki love for ever and ever
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That was a long time to be talking to your doctor
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please go to the hospital kiki. If you don't want to go then please go for us champs.
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>>111083753
It's a lost cause, she's too stuck in her magical thinking and half the time doesn't even think she has a problem. Just watch, tomorrow she'll have forgotten all this and be talking about how she eats plenty and doesn't have a problem.
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>>111083782
maybe she was like that last year but I think she is taking it seriously and really trying now.
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>>111083864
Is she eating above her TDEE now? It doesn't sound like it from anything she's said to us. I don't think she even has any concept of how much she actually needs to eat to maintain her weight, she just naively thinks "I'm eating so it's good enough"
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It's scary because she forced you to confront reality and stop hiding behind your comfortable delusions. If you seriously want to get better you need to remember that feeling and not forget it in a few days and go back to old habits.
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That's a problem that you need to find a solution for. Don't be a fucking retard and expect it to work out by itself. Know you'll be too tired some days, know your parents won't do shit some days, buy food you can just eat without effort and have it ready. People have been yelling this at you for so long and you refuse to do it.
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>>111083886
well she used to only eat once every 2-3 now she eats once a day and sometimes twice a day or a snack
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Know your limitations and plan around them. That's the only way to get better. Just saying "well this is hard" and not making a plan to get around that hardness is resigning yourself to failure. You cannot do that.
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I'm not going to coddle you when you're clearly deluding yourself. You need to be realistic. Maybe some other champs are happy to coddle you all the way to your deathbed but I refuse.
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>>111083782
>>111083886
>>111083939
>>111083966
This is how you help a guy not a girl. Aggressive fix your shit talk only works on men not women
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>I have people that will give me tough love
And it sounds like you're not listening to them
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>>111084082
Being a cunt isn't helping.
Kiki won't say it, but I will.
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Why do you have to do this everytime harby?
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>>111084114
You're not helping either, don't be a faggot
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Thanks Mr ToughLove, you fucking monster, you ruined it.
You fucked the last stream PrisonChamp is gonna see for 2 years. Kill yourself, you'll be doing the world a favor.
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>I promise that things will be good when you come back
If you want to still be around when he comes back you're going to have to make some changes and take this seriously Kiki
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>>111084114
On the one hand, don't be gay. On the other hand, it's still a funny meme
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you need to be your own first priority kiki. don't listen to weirdos silly and don't worry about streams being not what you wanted
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btw this is my first post in bread since >>111081521
im just high and it kind of felt like a bitch move to say in chat that i didnt post the tough love. like maybe i wanna tank it
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>>111084288
hello hitler
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So what are we watching?
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>>111084288
Don't worry champ. Things get heated and nobody wants heat they didn't cause. We're all champs here at the end of the day.
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>>111084362
The public lynching of toughlovefag, I hope.
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>>111084385
be humble
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>>111084385
Don't shoot the messenger
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>>111084412
tell that to sparta
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I can easily rehost anything I have hosted before
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weed would give her an appetite. there are so many solutions to the problem of getting food in you. she doesn't have to go to the hospital, but only if she can fix it herself. its either or, she cant avoid both. so to avoid the hospital i hope she gets motivated, otherwise she should accept some forced help.
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https://x.com/i/spaces/1dKrPEwPaEOJX?s=20
https://stream.rabbalabs.com/r/pyon
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CATBOX!!!!
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>>111085724
Evil ai users giving the rest of us a bad name
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ep1 https://litter.catbox.moe/ffsvv6sjz1dv82jq.mp4
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Did Kiki try poutine in Canada?
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>>111085807
nope
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>>111085793
ep 2 https://litter.catbox.moe/vsisn8eapyzufjvv.mp4
ep 3 https://litter.catbox.moe/cwjwelzqggxvy9vp.mp4
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>>111085807
doesn't that famously have cheese in it?
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>>111086354
ep 4 https://litter.catbox.moe/hwjkb7uxkmw0efzv.mp4
ep 5 https://litter.catbox.moe/uwqqjmt4qqebvjx7.mp4
eo 6 https://litter.catbox.moe/v4s3gws3ct9lsnmz.mp4
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she fall asleep mid stream?
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>>111087193
Nah, she slept, woke up, said she was gonna sleep longer and then went back to sleep.
She's an eepy girl
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When is the last time Kiki took a bath?
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>>111087525
>mfw i see kiki sleeping with her butt in the air
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>>111086881
ep 7 https://litter.catbox.moe/ldqkazjp7snlyf6m.mp4
ep 8 https://litter.catbox.moe/ceqnqzyehfgca1n5.mp4
ep 9 https://litter.catbox.moe/iwwp7mlssisyx07i.mp4
ep 10 https://litter.catbox.moe/ktym3zkg1i2fv2mz.mp4

Now I am going to eep. If you end up watching someone else can host the last 2 ep. These are only up for 24 hours so if you dont watch by next stream oh well
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>>111087589
nini champa
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*toots my horn really freakin loud*
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>>111088028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmD1AT43Q_c
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Kiki is my tard wife
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>>111088614
please dont let her off the leash again, its against the home owners association rules we set up
we got her to sign your house up for it while you were out
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Kiki's disgusting, filthy butthole
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>>111089447
It's alright giggles. I know this has been a tough day for you. Just focus on eating food, getting better, and talking to mamapyon and papapyon
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>>111090295
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goodnight kiki n champs
shes a tired gal
wonder why...
nini zuz
not to mention the 3am amongus sprite
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>>111090423
PLANTS VS ZOMBIES YIPPOI! I LOVE THAT GAME!
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>>111090731
Is Kiki more of a plant girl or a zombie girl?
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>>111090738
I like to think she would be a sunflower
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>>111090738
Zombie girl
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Is Kiki a hecking chungus?
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my sister brought a cat toy, a ball with a tail that moves randomly, and my dog is obsessed with it
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>>111090619
nini champ. that is one tired slime gigi goob
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giving giggles a whiff of my unwashed penis
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>>111091530
OOhhh a Weasel ball!
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>>111092276
yeah its the same concept just looks a little different. my doggie already broke it twice but it can be reassembled... for now
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>>111092317
My dog would go absolutely nuts over it.
After a few goes with it, just seeing it would send him, didn't even need to turn the thing on, it was hilarious
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>>111092317
Just make sure he doesn't swallow it. My cat once ate the string off of a cat toy and I had to take him to the vet to give him those vomit pills.
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Nini frens
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>>111092958
nini champ
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womb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWELEle7o0w
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sweet dreams giggles
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Kiki should do womb asmr
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did our prayers work?
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>>111093652
Give all your money to Kiki in the mean time. They will never be able to grab that money back after an International transfer
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>>111093084
don't forget the subway surfer at the bottom
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>>111093652
I'm not sure what that champ is going through, but I'm happy he gets to have a bit of a break
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nini champs... feeling a bit melancholic
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damn I hate brain worms
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>>111094112
thinking before bed huh. rookie mistake, you'll feel better tomorrow
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>>111094112
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>>111094060
>>111094112
sleep wall champs
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Are captcha's and posting taking forever for anyone else?
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>>111094511
yes
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>>111094511
waiting forever for a captcha just to post "yes"
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smartest rabb in the world
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Putting rabbits at 10 for each of Intelligence, Dexterity, and Strength, and humans at 30 for Strength and Intelligence and 9 for Dexterity, what stats would a Loach have?
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>>111095306
most of them would be dumb as a sack of bricks (they're mobster goons/gang members) but their leader would be smart. charisma more than int but sure. the chinese slinging loach is also wise. so 6 base int but individual loaches have way more than 10. dexterity and strength should scale with water or dry land maybe, but either way i think they lean more toward str than dex.
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>>111095306
rabbits get special trait that doubles dex
depending on the loach it may or may not have pack tactics



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