go to bed, sena

>>111054664
Why OP the biggest faggot on /vt/?

Definition of insanity

too much tiktok

>>111054664
She streams too much for chumbuds

>>111054664
I don't know why "the next Gura" is even a benchmark. 4 million people who didn't give a shit about the rest of Hololive and were probably mostly 12 year olds who didn't pay bills.

>>111054664
No more covid and not 1st gen. Vtuber trend is dying.

the market has become too saturated

Doesn't voice her support for stars like gura did
Doesn't take frequent breaks to go [REDACTED]
Doesn't censor her model
Doesn't lie to her fans

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>>111054664
she didn't flop.
she just didn't become the next goobs.
shitskin debuff

by numbers there will never be another gura

green lizard in phase is a lot like her in everyday streams

but that's not the thing

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>>111054664
Is that why Yagoo begged Miwa to join Hololive?

newfags don't remember that gura was already huge before she was gura

>>111054956
>Doesn't voice her support for stars like gura did
are you implying this talentless whore is better than Suisei or something
>Doesn't take frequent breaks to go
quality > quantity and [REDACTED] is not an auto-win cheat code, here we discuss facts (facts such as "Bijou is a used goods")
>Doesn't censor her model
Biwhore's design is a downgrade version of Petralka (Outbreak Company) and you're speaking nonsense
>Doesn't lie to her fans
Saba doesn't lie, she was literally saying fuck you to the people who have problems with her behavior

try harder pebblenigger

>>111055044
She is joining VZatsu
https://x.com/VZatsu/status/2043397615048614240

>>111054664
She is not Gura, can't sing, not the same country girl wit. Volume wise for all use background listeners, Biboo is pretty shit, expect shrilled screams, long extended ones but also short ear splitting ones too. Gura doesn't do that, you get the one big one then things are back to normal, no BS acting to extend. I'd totally put on a Gura stream over a Biboo one unless Biboo is playing Batman or something or collabing with Kaela.

>>111054664
no covid buff

>>111055149
lol good one

there's more to being cute and funny than just a squeaky voice and short stature.

Gura was the full package

It’s just COVID, unironically. Doesn’t even matter, because one actually streams and the other doesn’t: That alone is way more valuable than normalfaggots becoming dead subs on your channel.

>>111054664
no pandemic = people touch grass now

>>111055351
>Gura was hard carried by her model
FTFY

>>111054664
nothing will ever reach covid highs ever again

>>111054664
Go fuck yourself Donie.

>>111055373
That's the funny part.
They were never dead subs. Even if she didn't stream, her vods would continue to grow massively.

>>111055190
>>111055237
>>111055430

>>111054664
>Why did she fail to become Gura
Why would someone strive to become the biggest disappointment and wasted opportunity in vtubing? Thank God she "failed" to become that.

>>111055450
No, they were definitely dead, and even in any case of her remaining relevant, she no longer streams whatsoever. It’s pointless.

>>111055497
This.

>>111055401
that, too
Biboo's design is trash

>>111055546
It is, but the whole situation is still fascinating.
Even now she has a pretty massive mindshare and continues to get tons of fan content regularly.

I thought the twins were supposed to be Gura 2.0, but failed worse than even Biboo

>>111055423
time for china to release more bats

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>>111054664
What's with this ridiculously-blatant bait thread abo-
>comparing her to Gura as a means to attack Biboo
Ahh. This is Donnie Darko the pathetic chumfuck's doing.

>>111055649
Kinda based, but more cringe for using a vtuber fan account to do political commentary on twitter. Don't shit where you eat.

>>111055707
That's why he's so pathetic.

>>111054805
>>111055649

>>111054664
Wait until Covid 2.

did Saba succeed to become the next Gura?

>>111056370
Yes. End of career Gura, but yes.

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>>111055149
>>111055282
>lol good one

No one --and I mean no one in Hololive had
a million subs when Gooba joined.The little
shit had a million-plus subs before she'd even
debuted.

Heck, she was moving steadily towards 5M
WITHOUT streaming, at the end. We can all
hate her work ethic, but her pull was insane.

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>>111055649
Brown niggas always be like:
>you're brown

>>111056539
In fairness: They would know.

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Don't care
Biboocute

>>111054763
Fpbp lmao

>>111054920
As much as Gura had a lot of dead subs, two things were true:
- she eclipsed Kizuna Ai
- she was not Japanese

These two were a big deal. It meant that vtubers could be relevant outside of Japan. Its also why there was such a big hunt for a "gura-killer". Aviel spent all his government money taking his girls into lolies just to compete. Rikku kept accelerating the EN side just to find that Gura killer.
But in the end, no one could be Gura

>>111056529
>>111055149
Senzawa didn't have a million subs before joining COVID. Also, Korone was on her way to get a million until Gura debuted and speedran towards a million with a month.
Thats how insane the COVID buff was

>>111056370
>>111056506
No. Saba is NOTHING like Gura.

>b-but they're the sam-
No, fuck you. Saba is not Gura.

>>111054664
>Why did Biboo fail to become the next Gura?
She streams a lot, remember when gura suddenly returned to overlap her streams to snipe viewers from her? That was a bitch move.

>>111055626
Numberfag'd too hard, were too autistic about JP culture, and pandered too hard to the JP side. Unironically, Biboo shares one thing in common with the Goob - they both can't speak Jap. Even if Biboo tries to learn it, her JSL nature makes her as cute as Gura was when she tried to speak Jap.

>>111055450
>>111055546
>>111055600
They're dead subs for SABA, not Gura.
Believe me, if she decides to quite the whole indie schitkc with Saba and goes back to being Gura, her sub count will jump to 5, maybe even 6. Nobody cares for the indies. All this talk of "follow the talent, not the corpo" is pointless when you remember what corpo vtubers can do that indie's can't.
Gura had a great thing and she squandered it. Am I mad? Yes. Am I coping? Yes. But I'm not going to pretend that she can do the same thing "as Saba". There were things that she could only do as Gura. And now we might never get it.

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>>111055626
>>111059010
not even close

>>111054763
>>111054805
>>111054908
>>111054920
>>111054956
>>111055149
How quick is /vt/ to defend the SEA whore but keep seething at a white woman (Gura) I'm nooooticing

>>111059156
You can literally say the same at the kanikeks who are too quick to defend the lazy shark who would rather shill more merch instead of streaming for her supposed fans while attacking the hardworking rock,

>>111059156
>hardworking, cute little asian girl
>fat, ugly, lazy american whore
I know who I'm choosing.

>>111059324
>>fat, ugly, lazy american whore
That's Biwhore tho, Cover literally forbade her to do the Dark Souls roll because she's fat (and brown)
and just because some no-life twitch whore streams a lot doesn't mean you can use that to spew shit to anyone without consequences. you're too upset to make sense

>>111055626
>>111059010
>>111059094
>Holo versus Holo
>Advent versus Advent even

Now this is just really sad.

>>111054664
Sucks at singing, not as witty, not white

>>111059449
You're so pathetic, Donie. Seething this much still won't make Saba stream for you.

>>111059536
whatever helps you sleep at night pebblenigger

>>111059555
Likewise Donie.

>>111059156
Jews aren't White

>>111059747
which makes her more special than cumskinned whitoids and subhuman browns, she's the best

Pebbles this is NOT a good look...

>>111054664
If she failed, then why did Gura leave in shame after realizing she can't overlap with her?

>>111059835
Because she doesn't need to do anything anymore. She made her millions. There's no reason for her to work hard like all these fresh grunts. She retired when she was on top. She will forever be remembered as a pioneer and the most popular western vtuber ever, no matter how hard her haters and simps cry.

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>>111059995
More like she's remembered now as the greatest waste of talent and prime example of Laziness in the vtubing world

>>111055190
>Saba doesn't lie
What about the part where she said she loves streaming and there are more streams to come? kek
The easiest way to act like a retard on this board is by defending saba's behaviour.

>>111059156
You have no proof that Gura is white.
>but she is clearly american
Americans are mostly brown mutts.
Given her work ethic, it wouldn't surprise me if she's a nog

>>111059156
TRVKE

>>111059995
>"She's the greatest vtuber of all time"
>"What did she do?"
>...
>"She's the greatest vtuber of all time!"

>>111060037
>You have no proof that Gura is white.
Her full dox has been out for years. She looks (((white)))

>>111060128
And you know that's real because...?

>>111055401
>Gura was hard carried by her model
This cannot be overstated, and I dont mean that as an insult to the talent behind it.
True star power lifts the whole industry more than anything else, even if its just 1 talent only.

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WHY is it that every time I see a Biboo thread there's always some seething chumbuds/kanikis present talking shit about her and being super Racist at the same time while also praising Gura to the high heavens like they think its the right thing to do in a Biboo-related thread?

Seriously, what the FUCK is wrong with you people?

>>111060289
Pebbles had been slandering and shitting on Gura for years. But this brown whore is no longer Gura's coworker. I don't have to put up with that brown whore anymore.
If you can't handle facts and a bit of racism, stay away from this place, lil bro.

>>111060395
>Pebbles had been slandering and shitting on Gura for years.
Holy schizophrenia, and the chumbuds weren't shitting on literally EVERYONE ELSE for years huh???
Fuck off with your holier-than-thou bullcrap.

biboo still hasn't reached 1 million subs?

>>111060218
Because she's filed police reports under her real name and mentioned cover in them. This is all publicly available information btw.

>>111060395
>lil bro
You have to be over the age of 18 to post here, retard. And explain why "sweet innocent little Gura" purposefully kept trying to sabotage Biboo and the rest of Advent over and fucking over again like the cunt she is.

>111060395
This idiot can't even do math. Gura and her Chumbuds have been there for far longer than Advent did, and her fans have been shitting on almost every major fanbase for literal years. Then all of a sudden you have the gall to accuse a younger, newer fanbase of the same shit that chumbuds have been (in)famously well-known for a long time? You ain't fooling anyone here.

>>111060437
Do you know what slander means, retard? If Chumbuds shat on, say, Mori, it was perhaps justified (case by case approach of course), but there is no excuse for spamming "Gura wants to destroy Biwhore" for YEARS (they are still doing it ITT). Learn how to think critically so that people will be a little less bigoted toward you subhumans.

>>111060526
Incredibly ironic coming from the Bigoted subhuman like you. You chumbuds are the ones who have been attacking others for YEARS, while claiming that Gura is "perfect, untouchable, and all your oshis are shit", like exactly what you're doing here in this very thread against Biboo. Like I said, fuck off with holier-than-thou bullshit.

>>111054664
Because she actually streams

>>111054763
fippybippy

>>111060576
Mori is a little better now, but that doesn't change how messed up she was before. Again, learn how to think critically.

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>>111059156
want to die?

>>111060576
Also incredibly ironic coming from the bigoted subhuman pebble who attacks people unprovoked. You niggers are the worst fans, and don't think I'll go easy on you. If you say something that's not true, I'll correct you.

>>111060289
from what I've seen here so far it actually sounds more like 1 or 2 kanikis or chumbuds who are salty that they still haven't gotten anything at all from their oshi for a long long time, and then they see Biboo streaming aplenty for her fans and that triggers them bad for some reason. tldr: thinly-veiled jealousy

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>>111059995
>and the most popular western vtuber ever
Daily reminder her music does significantly worse than Kobo's.
Just pointing it out because I know it'll piss you off.

>>111060685
>thinly-veiled jealousy
pebbles also like to flatter themselves & will attack you if you don't play along, sasuga the worst fanbase

>>111060681
>who attacks people unprovoked
>says the Retard who keeps attacking Biboo and her Pebbles in almost every Biboo thread present
>>111060715
Literally case in point

>>111060681
>If you say something that's not true, I'll correct you.
Likewise, filth. You're not above me or anyone. Remember that.

>>111060730
A lot of people don't like Bijou. If you think that every person who doesn't like her is a chumbud, then whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>111060790
>A lot of schizophrenic voices inside my head
yea I agree with ya

>>111060710
>over the course of 4 years, Cover let Gura have 2 songs.
savage

>>111060763
It's an undeniable fact that you can't use "Biwhore streams a lot" as an excuse to shit on Saba. If you do, don't expect me to take it easy on this brown whore.

>>111060802
>my whore is flawless
ironic

>>111060843
Why would I shit on Saba when you're the one who keeps attacking Biboo here like a rabid animal? Also,
>don't expect me to take it easy on this brown whore
You can't do shit nigger.

>>111060841
>Let
Yeah because she's now releasing too many songs to count. Cover was really holding her back

>>111060863
Pebbles trying to rewrite history it seems

>>111060864
Lol Lmao

>>111060892
You're fighting imaginary ghosts here while blatantly attacking Biboo in THIS very thread, dumbass.
You're the one who looks stupid here.

>>111060864
they were. they hold back many of their talents for some dumb reason or another. girls have a reputation throughout the company for having a great singing voice, but they never get an original song, let alone an album.

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Still doing Gura vs Biboo in April of 2026... Group homosis or nijiniggers?

>>111060967
Absolutely. They're still preventing her from streaming and releasing music.
Every waking moment she wishes she could release those projects she's been hyping for 6 fucking years now but alas she can't because of management.

>>111054664
>Numberfaggotry outside of /#/

>>111060289
It's just Donnie Darko having his usual melty

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>>111054664
biboobs too small

>>111060967
Management still holding her back it seems, she's not even part of the company anymore and still won't let Saba sing

>>111061018
I guess so

>>111054664
Gura was a product of the right conditions all lining up in sync
>COVID era
>Vtubing still being in its early boom period
>First Hololive EN
>Having a large existing fanbase prior

It all came together to give a huge boost while the latter is the reason she shot ahead of her gen-mates. When one person is clearly the "popular" choice, normies trapped indoors are more likely to subscribe to that one to "fit" in. And also because "Gura" is the only name they will have heard due to that traction.

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>>111054664
>the mentally ill retard is still seething at bijous existence
I'm gonna take a guess that half of the posts here are all you

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Biboo won. She actually won. Gura fled and Biboo took her spot. She's loved and adored by everyone, including the JP girls and the JP audience.

>>111060841
>>111060864
>>111060967
>>111061018
>>111061141
Or... Gura was just lazy.

>>111061109
desu I can't blame him. Gura shouldn't have graduated. He may be terminally online, but graduating was a big mistake

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>>111054664

>>111061343
One reason why Pebbles are the worst fanbases is that they act like subhuman drones.

>>111061285
She won nothing, pebblephiles

>>111061347
Biboo will have a special birthday VRchat stream btw, similar to the one she had last Christmas where the Pebbles are allowed to join in and have fun with everyone
https://www.youtube.com/live/_C5x0uq-xOw?si=0U3B9WqmwwdF-hi8
>>111061374
And the chumbuds didn't??

>>111061343
what does gura graduating have to do with a schizo indog having bijou live rent free in his head for over 2 years?

>>111061391
no? they wanted to burn down Cover's HQ

Because her streams are boring and she's a slight less than mediocre streamer

>>111061374
The fuck is wrong with you? I'm talking about Gura graduating and you bring up pebbles?!! Do pebbles live rent-free in your fucking mind??!!
Seek help, fucker

>>111061327
the other EN girls have all corroborated at one point or another how awful the EN management is if you can't speak japanese. they offer no support and deny all ideas and projects suggested by the EN talents (unless they pay for it all out of their own pocket)

>>111061427
While the latter is true, Gura remaining in Hololive meant that schizos and numbermonkeys could shitpost about her being in Hololive and Hololive could do no wrong. With Gura gone, as well as her status as the "biggest vtuber", they have no ammo. Saba now is just a "big indie", but not as big as "the vtuber who beat Kizuna Ai in subcount"
That aside, I do think Gura should not have graduated as she could have worked on her music, put out an album and even a sololive. Because its clear that she's doing none of that right now.

>>111059156
I defend the vtuber that streams over the one that doesn't

>>111061460
While I don't deny that, the fact remains that if you do decided to learn Japanese, they start looking after you. I'm not a fan of Bijou, but she was willing to learn Japanese and make the move. That's a big deal.
I say Gura/Saba is lazy because if it was really the case that the Japanese management was holding her back, she would be releasing a lot more original music now. Under Cover, yes, she was restricted to making only certain kinds of music because she was typecast. But guess what: she's free now. She's indie. But where is her music? Other people have needed less time to put out music.
Hell, even more karaokes from her would be welcome. But she is just ghosting us at this point.

>>111061491
if she couldn't release any music with access to all of Cover's music resources and connections, she's probably not going to be releasing anything on her own as an indie with nothing but her dick in her hand

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>>111061524
Very much so. And as a chumbud, it still hurts.

>>111061445
You may not be a pebble, but the fact that you relentless defend her and her toxic fanbase, with no rationale, qualifies you as such.

You are also a drone "graduating was a big mistake" stating this without any justification makes you a subhuman brown in spirit as well as in appearance. I hope your favorite is next.

>>111061491
The thing is....Gura left because she's lazy. She barely did any work and was clearly not wanting to be forced to work. Since becoming Saba what has she actually done in almost a year? Especially relative to other indies? Compare her to Nimi who debuted around a similar time with half her sub count. It's night and fucking day in terms of not just the number of streams and collabs but also artistic performances like singing and even concerts. Saba has none of that. None! She can't even be fucked to STREAM most of the time which is the bare minimum you would expect from a vtuber. Her work ethic is non-existent but she wants an easy pay check on her own terms. She confirmed exactly what everyone already expected for years now. Gura/Saba is the worlds laziest vtuber.

>>111061522
>>111061524
>>111061581
I think this time she died for real

>>111061374

>is that they act like subhuman drones.
Funny how you just literally described Chumbuds down to the letter.

>>111055229
>literal who corpo
why would anyone want to go from two view to 1 view?

>>111061644
obviously she would bring her 2view audience with her and resume being a 2view

>>111061630
Anything to make yourself appear less subhuman as a fanbase

>>111061343
>>111061374
>is talking about how Gura graduating made Donie darko a pathetic schizo
>"but what about the Pebbles?! I hate Pebbles!! I want you to shit on Pebbles!"

There's something terribly, terribly WRONG with this >>111061374 >>111061594 person's brain

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>>111061594
>I hope your favorite-
My favourite was Gura, and she graduated.
So go fuck yourself. You got what you wanted, and we're all worse off because of it.

>>111061698
Explain how "graduating was a big mistake" relates to the indog Cover shill, or your mother is a lying whore.

>>111061732
explain why you suddenly interrupt a discussion about Gura and Donnie and force in your hatred of Pebbles.

>>111061732
Easy.
No Gura sololive.
No Gura album.
No more Gura 3Dlives.
No more Gura at big concerts like HoloFES and HoloSummer.
No more Gura original songs and covers.
No more official Gura merchandise.

Its all OVER. Anything else from now on is fan content.
And honestly the lack of a Gura sololive is the most heartbreaking thing to me. I really wanted to attend a Gura sololive. But that will never happen now.

>>111061705
I still like Gura/Saba and see the good in her. You don't like her and try to make shit up to attack her. We're not the same.

>>111061765
Saba exists.
>>111061768
Bold claim from a mindbroken schizo who seethes at the very existence of Bijou.

>>111061595
Gura... had a hard life

>>111061753
You started it by whining about muh racism. You picked sides.
Also, learn how to think critically retarded brown, I interrupted you because I hate subhuman drones like you, plain and simple

>>111061780
>trust me bro I'm a real Gura fan
>another Bijou mention
how about kill yourself

>>111061831
>You started it by whining about muh racism
Huh? You're the one who suddenly butted in someone else's discussion and forced your "I hate Pebbles" schizobabble.
>>111061831
>I interrupted you because I hate subhuman drones like you, plain and simple
Aahhhh.. it makes sense now, I forgot this was Donnie darko we're dealing with here. How ironic for you to hate yourself lmao

>>111061854
again explain how "graduating was a big mistake" relates to the indog Cover shill

>>111061780
False equivalence. Saba is NOT Gura.
Saba will not have a sololive.
Saba has not yet put up a 3Dlive.
So far Saba has only gone to some small indie thing that Mint did.

About the only thing going for Saba is the merch. But unlike Gura, I don't feel inclined to buy Saba merch when she's done so little as Saba.

>>111061877
How about you ask the very anon who made that comment in the first place >>111061343
Very weird of you to seethe like that, unless you're Donnie himself.

>>111061768
Yes we're not the same, but you also sound too overzealous about her. Have you noticed almost every Saba thread has been about her absence as opposed to the talent she has? I will admit it - my oshi is lazy. Its why I miss my Gura. The Gura I enjoyed watching back in 2020 to 2021, before she started taking all those long breaks. You can keep making excuses for her, and I do agree that she has her own life, but I'm not going to pretend that she's this perfect princess that can do no wrong. Whether she's lazy or no longer wants to be a vtuber, she's no longer the Gura I remembered.

>>111061374
>>111061236

>>111061923
>sound too overzealous
Yes, I should have sent her a death threat instead. that's what these drones want me to do.

>>111054664
Too much of a zoomer. She's fun in her own way but the generational gap between her and most of her audience is very palpable.
Gura was an old school 00s weebette. She also felt more like a genuine child and she could be pretty witty at times.
Biboo's humour primarily consists of zoomer brainrot and memes.
Biboo lacks the daughterwife energy Gura had.
All that said, you can't compare Myth numbers to the rest. Myth got inflated numbers from being at the right place at the right time. Even if Biboo managed to attract people as much as Gura, she would only have around FWMC numbers.

>>111054664
-her kid voice is more child than brat
-she doesn't let memes form on their own, she forces others into her retinue
-she gives no game any particular time to become "hers" and as such she's just cycling through everything all at once
-she unironically saturates her fandom with too many streams lasting way too long
-she's a SEA hag and doesn't hide this fact

>>111054664
negatives:
>annoying voice
>no charisma
>bad singer
>worse base design (81800 is kino)
>incredibly forced zoomer memes
positives:
>incredible discipline, work ethic and stamina

I don't think she flopped, she just didn't reach Gura because but she's not nearly as talented. She's the Rock Lee of holoEN.

>>111054664
To everyone who will come across this thread later, be warned that this is a bait thread crafted with the sole purpose of mocking Koseki Bijou and spreading hate against her and her fanbase. Don't engage, don't feed the bibooschizo. Just skippa skippa. Good day

>>111062626
>she just didn't reach Gura because but she's not nearly as talented. She's the Rock Lee of holoEN.
No one can reach Gura in the first place anon, that's the thing. The retarded OP which I assume is the Bibooschizo is trying to force a narrative that Biboo can never be like Gura (obviously she can't, bruh), and uses it as an excuse to attack and insult Biboo. This whole thing is a bait thread designed to shit on Biboo and her Pebbles and unfortunately some people are dumb enough to fall for it.

>>111054664
because she's better than gura
all of holoEN is better than a literal washed up boring wine mom that only exists to siphon money and then fuck off

>>111061780
>Saba exists.
Saba will never have a big live concert because they are not profitable
it's considered a success for Cover IF a sololive even pays for itself, there's no way an indie can afford that

>>111061923
she's not lazy anon she's mentally ill

>>111054664
I don't watch any of hololive but bijou is far from a flop because for 2 years she's been the only one that's constantly compared to the biggest vtuber in the world

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>>111063245
Biboo is the only true Gura killer. She outlasted her main competition (Yuko Yurei) and has more subs than any other Gura killer or Gura wannabe.
Yes, she doesn't have a million subs, but no other Gura killer does. And compared to both Panko and Yuko Yurei, Biboo still has the highest sub count

>>111059156
The schizos on catalog are obsessed with attacking anything EN or "western". If it is not spamming bait threads against all the white women of Holo EN it is about any western vtuber or seething about male vtubers (a "western" idea I guess). Biboo is convenient for them even if she is american because she is part or more Thai and that is enough for them to make another "Gura killer", like they did with many others

Gura doesn't get so many spam threads because she is Gura. Gura gets so many spam threads because she is seen as a symbol of success for EN vtubing. The same reason tourist antis never go after Biboo or Bae (whose lore is she is 12 years old) or others when applying the loli is bad argument.

>>111064124
>Bae (whose lore is she is 12 years old)
huh?
Bae is canonically the oldest Holo, she literally predates the universe

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>>111063658
Biboo isn't even close to Kobo who was the last Gura killer. Gigi might be closest to replacing the same type of kusogaki energy Gura brought while adding her own thing.

>>111064185
Bae is suppose to be a 12 year old, even had the voice once. She doesn't bring it up anymore.

>>111064282
"Amidst the havoc, the Gods created avatars. They bestowed a vessel to Chaos, who had existed since the genesis." - Omen, August 15, 2021
"since the genesis" implies Chaos is as old as the Gods, if not older, as opposed to the other concepts who were created by the Gods

sure she rolls dice when asked her age, but that's because her age is irrelevant, she's literally timeless

>>111064230
gigi is a nijisister so I hope not

>>111054664
She's simply not good enough

>>111060514
It's funny how nobody remembers that chumbuds were the ones who started graduation baiting. Even with her own genmates.

>>111064230
>Kobo who was the last Gura killer.
I forgot Kobo! And Kobo is blue and a kusogaki. ALso she has 2million+ subs, so yeah, she was the true Gura threat. But... Kobo is also a homocollaber. And there are certain gfe/daughter energies that Gura had which Biboo also has but Kobo doesn't have.

>Gigi might be closest to replacing the same type of kusogaki energy Gura
I can see it actually. And I think the recent collabs between Gigi and Biboo simulate what a collab between Gura and Biboo could have been like.
That said, I think Gigi screams too much for liking. yes, Biboo does scream too, but I feel more gfe from Biboo then I do from Gigi.

>>111063658
Since moving to Japan Biboo's schedule has taken a hit and for the past few months her games has been 'background noise' games and I've even started to skip certain ones now. She has lost momentum and is just cruising now and she is only going to get more non streaming work til she will be promise level streaming.

>>111064230
Gigi is way too extroverted, Gura's charm was that she got that germlin in her and cursed internet lore but also a shut-in, she teases you and hides her power level.
Gigi just lays it all out there and wants to drag others into her weird fantasy world.
You just want to chill with Gura, you activity run from Gigi

>>111064951
What do you consider to be the background noise games? She started streaming Bayonetta and I cant really see that as background noise. For a seperate example - I know IRyS's workload has gotten higher because she recently had her dream 3D live (the race queen one), she out an album AND she's working on a sololive, but she also had the time to do a playthrough of Black Mesa.

I do think Biboo is streaming a little less but she hasn't outright "disappeared" just yet unlike Fuwamoco and Nerissa

>>111064951
>You just want to chill with Gura, you activity run from Gigi
this
I liked Gigi alot in the beginning (and I still kinda do), but she gets too overbearing and beats every joke and trope into the ground so much it becomes tedious

>>111055237
>collabing with Kaela
You are complaining about earraping sounds and bring it Kaela and her manish voice.

>>111065056
I wouldn't mind gigi if every joke of hers wasn't sex or flirting related in some way. She's going to have a collab with kronii in a few hours and guess what, it'll just be all flirting and talking about gigi's "hole" in hytale. She doesn't even banter with her chat, just tells them to fuck each other.

Gura is a S tier talent with personal failings
Biboo is a B tier talent that puts in effort

>>111065198
I'd she's a tier at least, there's not many that as entertaining as she is, especially with her instant correction timing after being a brat she always has. Great in solo streams and great in collabs

>>111054664
She won big my dick

ITT Chumkeks seething as usual

>>111054664
we got how many good years of gura streams before she ghosted everyone? i think biboo has already passed that mark. face it, gura was only good for a short period of time. the majority of gura's career was her not streaming and making excuses.

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>>111054664
I like biboo but she has several factors that held her back from going viral

>biboo's default outfit is low tier, she should've debuted with her 81800 model
>on top of starting as a below average singer, she wastes her unique cute/beautiful voice by training to sing in a deep voice with growls instead. better to lean into her natural cute voice
>her karaoke playlist is hard to listen to, and the way she sings everything in a low voice doesn't help. karaoke should feel fun and silly, not depressing. just look at gigi's karaoke for comparison
>she got labeled as a hag early on because of her genmates, and people found it off-putting seeing someone they thought was older faking a child-like voice and personality. felt too fake to them. though she later confirmed in a members stream that she's in her early 20s, the hag reputation had already stuck with the public for too long

>>111064185
>>111064401
oh no
cringe

>>111065651
>I like biboo but she has several factors
>all things you made up and are clearly wrong
impressive

no covid buff where everyone was forced to stay home and watch youtube by governments
no first mover advantage to collect all the anime fans and curious fans about EN vtubers
no golden spoon and treated as the first special child

>still not learnt japanese
>still not gotten singing teacher (can't hit notes even if her life depended on it half the time.)
>still not made more than 2 songs and has made no covers for over 2 years
>still not making shorts and tiktoks
>still not wanting to market herself at all
>still not added member benefits attempt to grow fanbase
>still 10x less pleasant speaking voice than gura
>still boring default outfit that is totally mogged by all of her other outfits

>>111058911
Aviel didn’t have all his girls go loli to compete they did it themselves because they noticed how much money the pedo grift got the ghost girl

>>111065009
I'd say a lot of the recent ones just devolve to background noise, you'd tune in and watch for the first hour or 2 but later you tab out or second monitor it and have it in the background. Pokopia, Hytale, Endfield are the recent ones where after hour 2 of a 6 hour stream you set it aside and work on something while she yaps.
Bayonetta, RE, Dead space were less grindy, also wish she'd get back to Batman, that stuff was great.

>>111065058
Maybe I'm just reminiscing the good old days of grindstone it was peak gaming when they were playing, bomb defusing game, Superbugs: Awaken, that golf game, and so much more.Too bad we don't get too much grindstone anymore.

>>111065651
>biboo's default outfit is low tier, she should've debuted with her 81800 model
I actually like her default over the chuuni 81800

>on top of starting as a below average singer, she wastes her unique cute/beautiful voice by training to sing in a deep voice with growls instead. better to lean into her natural cute voice
Yeah fuck this, you'd have her be yapping and then suddenly she pulls this voice out and ear rapes you,

>>111066819
i fucking hate pokopia and endfield. i could tolerate hytale somewhat, but then there's gigi, shiori, and ollie.

>>111065830
>no golden spoon and treated as the first special child
Tf do you mean with that ?

https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/tnum/110922476/deleted/deleted/

Jesus fucking christ at least get a new angle, you samefag the same shit every single time.

Gura is the lazy, unmotivated genius to Biboo's hard-working everyman.

>>111054664
She is not Gura.

This is why she is my oshi, among other reasons.

>>111067109
she was treated like a king by the entire JP branch when she overshadowed them with the initial buff numbers. Then she got imposters syndrome and stopped streaming. The entire world was laid ahead of her on a golden platter with golden spoon with all the buffs, and she threw it all away for personal reasons.

She was made the poster child for hololive and then she suddenly quit and ghosted the entire company for years before graduating.

gura had talent and didn't work

biboo has talent and does work.

life isn't an anime, people don't have good/bad traits

>>111067478
the talent of being 8 months late to TikTok trends

>>111067746
gura in a nutshell

>>111067478
Even as someone who likes both, you can't just handwave off the difference between them.
Biboo is cute and talented but she doesn't have as cute a voice, her singing is improving but still not comparable and she's not as funny when put on the spot.
Gura had it all and threw it away.

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>>111067210
This you?

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>>111054664
You cling to Gura's dead/botted subs because she never did anything worthwhile for you to brag about.
Biboo has made more of a cultural impact at the company than Gura has, and it's not even close.

Gura from these larping fans is slightly like Taylor swift is from swifties. Both try to upsell you a middling talent but they’re annoying and you cannot see that special talent. At least you’ll never see a shrimp in the wild or do anything though.

>>111065651
>I like biboo but
>her karaoke playlist is hard to listen to
lol, you never watched Biboo.

>>111054664
Different times, really. Gura was around during COVID and helped bring Vtubing to the west. When people talk about how luck is a huge factor as an entertainer, it was Myth being the right place at the right time. Myth would have been a lot less popular if they were debuted during Council/Advent and the gens were switched. Biboo is a good entertainer in her own right but Advent was launched around the time as Vtubing is losing its maiinstream appeal.

>>111054956
I think you mean Sweden my kind anon

>>111055237
Wow biboo really is the antithesis of gura
Both are American yet so different one offers

Quantity over Quality

And then other got so lazy she quit her main job even tho she “loved being an idol” then baited her fans into giving her $5 a month for 0 work and releases the $900 happi id do the same tho if I was her she knows ball fr gotta respect her taking money from all you faggots

>>111059067
True she should have just gone back to being senzawa

I’m gonna rape myslef to pictures of your dad

>>111059156
You know anon, in a funny way you kind of showed one of the issues with racism.
While it's good to care for your kin, and to want to preserve your race and culture, it can lead to a bad behavior, where you would benefit someone of your race who is clearly underperforming and/or corrupt and hate on someone of another race that has a proper work ethic at least.
It brings no benefit to white people to pretend someone lazy is not lazy just because she was white.

>>111065686
great argument anon, I accept your concession

>>111065830
>no golden spoon and treated as the first special child
are you implying Gura got preferential treatment? she was hindered by Cover to the very end, being kept on a short leash compared to the rest of EN

>>111066015
most of these could also be applied to Gura

>>111069643
>still believes gura's lies

>>111054763
Kanikeks on suicide watch yet again.

>>111054956
>Doesn't voice her support for stars like gura did
qrd?

>>111069826
I'll believe Gura over you, yes, but I also watched streams and I can see behaviour other talents easily get away with while Gura was forced to be more or less seiso

>>111069643
Two things can be right. Was Gura given a lot of preferential treatment because she had 4million subs? Yes. But was she also typecast into singing a specific type of music and couldn't do most of the music she wanted? Also yes. Consider how different Ash Again is from most of the songs she released.
That said, it is also possible that Gura is lazy. But its also possible that Gura is tired of being, well, Gura. Perhaps all these absences as Saba is because she's tired of people expecting her to be a big star

>>111069643
You realize Gura has graduated a year ago right? you still believe she's put on a leash and thats why Saba's ghosting everyone and refuses to stream?

LMAO. Its her own choice.

>>111066819
>I'm just reminiscing the good old days of grindstone it was peak gaming

To be fair Kaela has also been gone for a while. I wonder if Grindstone has even finished Split Fiction yet. But yes, Kaela had been gone for a while and even Kronii (Timesmith) mentioned the absence. I think that we will get back to the usual Grindstone at some point

>Endfield
Agreed. God I hate Gacha, and it makes me wonder why Kiara is also pushing it.

>Hytale
Someone enlighten me, why are people going for this instead of the usual Minecraft? Though I guess the upcoming Enreco means more Minecraft, so its better to picking another game

>Pokopia
While I dislike Nintendo and Pokemon, Biboo does love Pokemon. I mean, she literally did a guerilla stream because she finally caught Absol. Pokopia seems up her ally since she's a pokemon fan

All that being said
>>111064951
I dunno. Someone mentioned that Biboo actually likes her audience unlike Gura, and I could see it. Even without her schedule, Biboo has been quite an active streamer. It also helps that music is kind of secondary to Biboo with her priority being gaming.

>1000th thread of gura vs biboo
don't you guys get tired of typing the same thing for years, majority of these posts can be found word for word in the archives

>>111054664
>plays a lot of videogames
>puts a lot of effort into being an idol
>moved to japan and didn't change her usual timeslot
She's the best hire Hololive currently has. All she needs to satisfy you numberfags is for the world to go through another Covid situation.

>>111070395
>Agreed. God I hate Gacha, and it makes me wonder why Kiara is also pushing it.
Sponsored, not sponsored. Along with Star Rail, Star Savour just all slop that is boring to watch if you don't play it
>Hytale
I never played MC or Hytale but from what I heard it's just skimpily a more streamlined version of MC, either way, Not the worst of the boring BG slop to have on but I don't have context so it's over my head, after an hour it's white noise.
>Pokopia
Out of the three I've listed I don't mind having her Pokopia stream up, 90% is her yapping which is fine and you get a couple of crash outs when she finds out some legendary is a cowboy so those are gems.

>I dunno. Someone mentioned that Biboo actually likes her audience unlike Gura, and I could see it.
Oh no I didn't mean to say Biboo dislikes the pebbles, I also think she loves them too. But it's just unfortunate that even though since moving to Japan she promised to keep the same streaming time it has since wavered. Sometimes starting a bit later than her normal 7:00EST, just streaming a bit less compared to 2 years ago, there really has been a shift in workload and you can tell if you used to catch her streams back when she debuted.

How does this blatant Gura vs Biboo shit still get this many replies? There is no way it's all samefagging, right?

>>111054763
Who the fuck is Sena? Some schizo poster?

>>111054664
>Why did Biboo fail to become the next Gura?
She unfortunately
>loves streaming too much
>loves her fans too much
>loves spending time with them too much

If only she didn't, then she could have been like Gooby...

>>111071805
>she promised to keep the same streaming time
And she kept it, her default timeslot is always 4 pm pst, she even wakes up earlier or later in japan to adjust for dst in America just to start at 4pm

>>111069999
you don't have to believe me. use your brain. how many phishing emails have you fallen for?
>>111070395
they're doing hytale right now because there's a shared server that won't last forever.

>>111071975
I wish zoomers were not allowed on this board

>>111054664
Biboo is hamstrung by not being a singer. Case in point Nerissa, her genmate, gets her sub growth through music releases.
It would take mashing biboo, Nerissa and Gigi into one girl to match 2021 holo.

>>111072533
Remove gigi and you'd be right

>>111055649
>SEAmonkey who exclusively posts about American culture war politics
Ian Miles Cheong's disciple

>>111054664
>almost 1 million subs already
>without covid buff
>flop
lol

>>111059156
because we hate lazy whores and celebrate the ones who stream and provide content for the viewers. Its not that deep.

>>111072619
Gura was just lucky to be the first Loli. If Biboo would have streamed back than and applied her chances would have been better to be picked since she knows atleast basic Japanese. Gura did jackshit in terms of trying to learn the language in 5 years.

>>111072862
agreed

>>111059156
Cuck schizo lost

>>111072862
Gura being able to sing and sing in JP was huge charming point, the universal language and having a cute model was a killer combo.
The question is, would Biboo's work ethic and willingness to interact with JP members outweigh Gura's singing prowess to win JP's side? Biboo is quite endearing on JP side too right now.
In a different timeline would you think there be more gem theme vtubers or gatcha characters if Biboo was Gura?

>>111064835
This

>>111067210
>https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/tnum/110922476/deleted/deleted/
What drives a fucker to be THIS mindbroken over someone like Biboo? Holy shit

>>111070562
Tell that to Donie Darko who, for some reason has a serious vendetta against Biboo

>>111073571
his oshi graduated and told him that he would see her constantly from now, UNLEASHED
then she cucked him, took his money and ghosted him

>>111072782
>calls Gura a whore
>while Bibot lusts over big cock shaped objects on main
The absolute state of pebbleniggers

>>111054956
>Doesn't censor her model
There's anything to censor in her model? she is the safest thing in HL right now

>>111073791
this you? >>111073571

>>111073229
In the end we can only speculate but in these 3 years of Biboo being in Holo she prolly streamed 4x as much in total. Gura may be the "better" singer but if you dont stream or put out Songs it doesnt matter. Advent / Biboo pushes out song after song after song. Same goes for outfits. She streams 3-4 times a week for atleast 6-12 hours (depending on game and if she has rl shit to do).
>In a different timeline would you think there be more gem theme vtubers or gatcha characters if Biboo was Gura?
IIRC she wasnt supposed to be a "Gem" themed Vtuber first but a Fairy Themed one. But i agree that the Gem/Rock Theme is very Rare over all in the Vtuber sphere.

>>111073791
Making fun of a post / engaging in funny content to entertain ur audience = lusting over cock shaped objects. Get a grip chumcuck, your retardation is showing.

>>111073981
HOLY COPE

>>111073528
Stop trying to rewrite history vermin. Also the July leaker who spread the "Ina is going to graduate" rumor mentioned Milky Queen; only Mori cares about that person. Fits in for subhuman drones like you who support a bunch of malicious bitches who can't stop gossiping her co-workers for a second. It's good to know that I'm on the right side of history unlike Pebble scum. I hope for the day of your reckoning.

>>111072782
Don't "we" me. I hate annoying talentless brown whores and their obnoxious fans. We are not the same.

I know you guys are always angry because brown whores like Kobo are so ugly. Imagine having the audacity to post that ugly face online.

What? Are you going to bring up Iofi again? That bitch deserves more hate for being a hypocrite, opposing AI while saying nothing against Cover.

>>111074077
why would you care how vtubers look irl? the point of them being vtubers is that they ARE their model
go watch flesh if you want to discuss what ethnicity or how attractive they are

>>111074077
>Stop trying to rewrite history vermin. Also the July leaker who spread the "Ina is going to graduate" rumor mentioned Milky Queen; only Mori cares about that person. Fits in for subhuman drones like you who support a bunch of malicious bitches who can't stop gossiping her co-workers for a second. It's good to know that I'm on the right side of history unlike Pebble scum. I hope for the day of your reckoning
now THIS is 100% Schizophrenia. You're fighting an imaginary war spurred on by the voices in your head lmaoo. And here I thought Ennacuck was already bad I didn't know it was possible to out-schizo him, congrats you just mogged him dude

>111074077
Did this retard escaped from a mental asylum?

>>111059156
biboo is american

>>111074173
>now I'm gonna cry about racism in /vt/ of all places
Pebbleniggers are deranged Seamonkeys

>>111074436
Bibot is a Thai midget

>>111074517
I'm not this person >>111074467
cope harder, multiple individuals from multiple fandoms hate Bijou and Pebbles

>>111074195
It's nice to know it gets to you, the best part is that it's all real. Mori was the leaker. Mori deserved to be fired for her lack of professionalism; her antis were correct.

>>111073932
>Gura is the better singer
>Gura is better with witted jokes
>Gura is the better entertainment
>Gura is better in collabs
>Gura has the better humor
B-b-b-but Bibot streams more !!

>>111074467
all your posts here reeks of Hate racism anon.. suspicious
>>111074673
>cope harder, multiple individuals from multiple fandoms hate Bijou and Pebbles
all according to the 6 voices voices from your head yes. meanwhile its well-known that chumbuds have been insufferable fuckers for YEARS
>I'm not this person
LOL LMAO dumbfuck you're so easy to read

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>>111074813
>more

>>111074853
Kek hahaha

>>111054664
COVID, and EN3 being delayed until after the EN scene became saturated.
Her CCV is usually good, which is where the money comes from anyway.

>>111074813
Do ATM buds really?

>>111075700
>t. seething poorfag

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>>111075760
a fool and his money are soon parted

>>111059156
this biboo schizo is an actual indonesian by the way

>>111054664
When's COVID 20?

>>111073791

You're STILL seething over Biboo?? Jesus Christ mate your head's gone bonkers. Biboo ain't going anywhere. Pebbles ain't going anywhere. Gura's GONE. Live with it.

>>111076552
uh oh melty

>>111076697
ironic

>>111061644
She's probably been promised a pay for the few months they'll be existing. Whether she actually will be getting paid is another question.

>>111076749
is gigi murin any good at handjobs?

>>111076848
We're about to find out in a few minutes, she's collabing with Kronii

>>111076862
kronii doesnt have a dick

>>111076885
>he doesn't know

>>111076885
>Catalog
I'm sorry you had to find out like this

>Why did Biboo fail to become the next Gura?
Because, unlike Gura, she actually streams

>>111076896
>>111076915
wtf

>>111076749
Honestly, GG is better than both Gura and Biboo.

>>111075924
>this biboo schizo is an actual indonesian by the way
yea, donie >>111055649

>>111054920
they can't monetize "the next Gura" - what they actually want is the next Suisei or next Mori

>>111054664
She's fine but Gura set the bar extremely high and no one can really reach it. Before some mindbroken Gura antis comment on this, I obviously mean back when she started and was actually active.

>>111077122
Your parents are sisters

I liked biboo until the last few months when she started acting more like a normie egirl whore. Every time I try to watch her again I just get turned off.

What kind of retard doesn't like both

Bijou will always be mid-tier holo at best

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>>111058948
You lying sack of shit.
I never said Senna had a million subs.
I said Gura had a million subs before debut.
As Gura.

BEFORE her debut stream she was over 1M.
Not "soon after".
Before the lazy shit even streamed as Gura.

Way to out yourself as a newfag poser..

>>111054664
The novelty of Vtubers and Hololive wore off. It doesn't take a genius to realize this.
That being said, Rock In is easily the best EN Vtuber song and should have 100x more views.

>>111078724
social media trained npcs who take pleasure in the suffering of others and think they are always at war with strangers on the internet

>>111079965
Spotted the Nijisister

>>111080150
>Rock In is easily the best EN Vtuber song
lol, lmao

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>>111074813
>Gura is the better entertainment
Not really. Her gaming selection was very mid. She struggled with soulslikes and wasn't really interesting with various FotMs like Miside.

>Gura is better in collabs
Not really. She's often way too silent or introverted. You ever saw her official collab with Pekora?

>Gura has the better humor
Was she? Millennials like to claim this but it often felt like she was trying very hard to be witty or funny

>Gura is better with witted jokes
Maybe. I do think she had wit, but it felt more like snark. On a bad day, Gura's not really likeable

>Gura is the better singer
About the only true statement. Gura had the voice of an angel... and it is a travesty that we never got to hear her perform at a sololive dedicated to her

>>111077017
And that's the problem. Its not so much looking for "the next Gura" as Gura was supposed to be the EN Suisei. If Gura had just grinded out her music, put out an album, we could have had a proper Gura sololive by now. Hell, Kiara and Ina got their duolive and IRyS got their sololive. I do think, if Gura had held on just a bit more, we'd have a great Gura sololive. But I guess it exists out there, in a better universe.

>>111073229
>>111073932
Part of the problem with speculating all this was that Biboo was inspired by Gura. Yes, Biboo was a Gurafag. To be more precise, she was a Mythfag but anyone who knows her PL will know how much it 'aped' Gura. But I do think Biboo came from a place of genuine interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU8nJ8Evoo&t=2595s

If Biboo were the 'Gura' from the start, she'd have to be inspired by similar talent in this context. To put into perspective, Gura clearly did look up to Kizuna Ai and the HoloJP talent, but also wanted to be her own thing. She clearly took after Nyanners (who was infamous as a 4chan shitposter). And of course, Gura wanted to be like Miku. I'm not sure if Biboo could work with all that if Gura had not existed.

>>111081314
Biboo was asking everyone for collabs when she first started, you seem to forget that part.

>>111081379
That is true! It's possible that Biboo could have developed a unique popularity due to her sociable nature. Hypothetically - and assuming Kiara had been her genmate - Biboo could have helped Kiara bridged the gap between EN and JP even faster. I cannot imagine how this Biboo would have handled the Kiryu Coco thing, as well as Omega and the Homo push. I know Biboo is very much anti-Stars coded like Fuwamoco, but I can't help but in this scenario I'm not so sure. Even Mumei ended up collabing with the homos at least once

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runt lol

>>111082356
Biboo's playing a debuff gacha game. Also Kronii + Gigi have been a known collab duo. Just pointing that out - there are times when Biboo's at the top of the box for EN

>>111082356
even playing endfield slop she's still beating every niji en and phase...

>>111082548
>>111082748
Pebbles only had excuses for their brown gura.

>>111082813
>>111082356
You seem really obsessed about numbers. Did you love Gura simply because of her big number? You know you faggots got your own containment thread, right?

>>111082813
you're indonesian why do you hate your own skin color?

>>111054664
because she keeps collabing with homolovers and streaming dogshit like Ark Knights

>>111083152
Gura collab'd with homolovers, your argument is retarded

>>111054956
>Doesn't lie to her fans
yes she does, they just aren't big lies

>>111054664
She refuses to stop streaming

>>111054664
Gura has always been a product of timing and circumstances that can't really be replicated. You show Gura to someone who wasn't there and they won't get all the hype. They'll shrug and say she's okay. Because, divorced from her moment, she really is just okay.
The real Gura was a moment, not a person.

>>111083673
Sums it up best. Later Gura & Saba could never be THE Gura. Its also why all the other Gura killers - Yuko Yurei, Panko, Kobo and even Biboo - can never be the THE Gura. It was a very specific moment.

>>111080150
Anon, I like Rock In but its not THAT good. Gravity easily outdoes it.

>this fucking thread actually reached bump limit

Incredible

>>111074467
>>111074517
noticing

>>111080150
bro I like Biboo but you are coping hard