Sunken cost fallacy, more than likely. I will commend them for sticking by a commitment, though.

>>111234780
>still don't understand why cover stood by stars for as long as they did.
They were Yagoo's project
>like not only did they not make any money, but the majority of your fan base actively hated them
It was a minority
>and would stop watching the girls who did associate with them
This never happened

>>111235500
>It was a minority
it was the vast majority. that's why all the homos are 2 views. everyone fucking hates them
>This never happened
bae was the EN runt forever due to her fagenabling

>>111234780
It was Yagoo’s project and he always had regretted not integrating the homos into Hololive.
Yagoo wanted to be like Nijisanji but by the time the homos debut (to massive anger) and the large surge of popularity from the girls switching to Idol/GFE content it made it impossible to pivot.
Omega tried it in EN and nearly crashed the branch.

>>111235928
it seems fucking retarded to try to push the homos when holoEN was raping nijiEN

>>111236317
Niji was making money off males, that's all. They pushed it because that's where they deducted they can grow the most using their business degrees.

It was literally Yagoo's vanity project, he loved the idea of da boiz and didn't give a shit if they were operating at a loss and literally costing him money just to exist (for years). For years he simply tolerated this failure and thought "we only need to force them more and more, increase shilling by 100x".
>unprecedented promotional campaign for UPROAR, literally 10x more than DEV_IS ever got
>unprecedented promotional campaign for Armis, begging everyone on twitter to do a mass watchalong
>briefly created a no overlap rule for major events, solely to shill UPROAR and it was immediately removed after wards. In effect: made all of HoloJP !!! SUSPEND STREAMING !!! to avoid overlap for UPROAR's fucking debuts, the first time such bullshit was ever done - literally hours of Holos not being allowed to stream in their prime slot all for the sake of funneling their viewers to da boiz (they still didn't watch)
>cut collab ban short in EN for Tempiss2, first time ever, due to "popular demand"
>several times tried to "ambush" girls with homostars in a blatant attempt at forcing them to hype up da boiz with their popularity, ie. the infamous FWMC el silencio, Miko in 2022, Kanata Minecraft incident, etc.
>extending the above: the HLZNTL fiasco where they tried to push da boiz into Holo talents faces against their will by not telling them beforehand what the event would be like, and THEY (the girls) had to put their fucking foot down and tell management to fuck off
>tried to pull that fucking "Hololive production" bullshit on Holotori during Hakka's leech arc where he proclaimed himself (and Kaela) to be Holotori - before Kiara forced them to change it to say explicitly say Hololive
>management was full of Stars shills both in JP and EN, like Omegashit and A-chan

It took the humiliation ritual "graduation conga line", the massive and very public backlash of HLZNTL, endless "tea parties" of talents telling him over and over again they don't want to interact with his disgusting talentless sex pests, and investors breathing down his neck telling him to fucking STOP BURNING MONEY, for him to finally axe these leeches.
Reminder that even Mori and Kronii got sick of interacting with these losers, even though they were once team "shill da boiz".

>>111234780
>they are otherwise so money focused
Holoearth exists.

>>111236915
The guy looks zesty too. I think he's closeted, that's the reason he thought it could work. He doesn't understand his own business.
At least he's kind of decent as opposed to Riku who is a sociopath. Gunrun was a fraudster and I suspect Sakana is a sexpest.

>muuuh Niji males we want some of dat
basically that delusion

>>111235751
Just because people didn't watch them it doesn't mean they hated them, they were indifferent.

>>111235751
>homos are 2 views. everyone fucking hates them
There is not a single hololive member that is a 2view you delusional unicorn

>>111236984
That was the pet idea of the other big investor. Another money drain. Cover has succeeded despite management, and because the other corpos are even worse.

>>111236915
I think Suisei splitting off into her own venture contributed. They lost a large source of easy revenue and and now get a small split of her sales whereas before they got the majority.

>>111237027
Pretty much this, most fans didn't care about them. There were small minorities that hated them and liked them.

>>111236984
>>111237046
Hololive was originally a vr company.

>>111237046
Cover's success is basically just because the girls carry them on their back. Every instance of them succeeding is "they do nothing" and the girls are great. Every instance of colossal failure is them trying to be smart or original and come up with some retarded shit nobody asked for, just so they can say they're "doing something".

It wasn't a big investment and thus not a big failure, but Blue Journey to me is the absolute apex example of pants-on-head retarded ideas that were done literally just to do something "new and different". So much so that an investor lost his fucking shit in front of their faces and basically went on a rant about how retarded the guy who came up with it must have been (it was really funny).

>>111236984
HoloEarth can be profitable if they focus on the concert aspect. The homos could never be profitable.
>>111237199
Blue Journey’s entire mission statement was to make popular music without the Hololive branding, it failed and they panicked and plastered the Holos imagery everywhere to save it.

>>111236915
>>briefly created a no overlap rule for major events,
that was still fucking funny when Gura, who hasn't streamed for like a month or 2 weeks or something, did a members' stream, said she was going to stream over the faggots' debut, then got told she couldn't so streamed at like midnight one of the nights and then canceled the other stream and fucked off for 2 more weeks

>>111236990
>and I suspect Sakana is a sexpest.
like half of the girls hate kevin so if he's a sex pest, he isn't doing a good job
>>111237027
>>111237108
no, most fucking hated them. that's why it was always an issue when bae or someone collabed

>>111237033
the faggots aren't in hololive, homo

>>111234780
There was a rime when Nijimales used to make money. Cover wanted that but it never flied

>>111237397
Bro can't read.

>>111237989
homos aren't in hololive, retardo

>>111234780
Having an option for female fans means wider audience. From a business perspective it makes sense, at least superficially.
It just turns out women are not into this kind of entertainment and there's no real money in it. Idols have existed for ages and seemed to transition seamlessly into vtubing. Apparently the male equivalent is not a thing. Don't ask me how to make money off this, I'm not a woman.

>>111234780
Vtubers be like: mmhhhhmm moldy bread yummers

>>111235500
>They were Yagoo's project
They were never Yagoo's project. This is some rrat that stupid retards /here/ pushed. Even Astel recognized the last meeting he had with Yagoo was 4 years ago. So clearly he don't care about the branch.

>>111234780
It's not unusual to be losing money on something for a while before it starts turning profit. And honestly I doubt they were really losing at all. They're still 3views, initially even 4views, so even if they don't make gorillions on merch and supas, it's probably still enough to keep going.
I bet when yagoo saw the nijien male success, and later failure, he thought he could get some of that chink fujo audience as well, and that it was just behind the corner. It never came, of course, but it's just a risk he chose to take.

>>111237278
>Gura being a lazy fuck was based
That is why nobody likes chumbuds.

American unicorns are the most disgusting and repulsive thing the world has ever produced.

>>111235928
>oh no! I've become successful by doing the opposite of what I wanted!
Sums up fagoo and his luckshitter ways perfectly

>>111239217
Seethe about it some more sis remember to tweet about it too because that for sure helps da bois out lol

>>111234780
>our fanbase keeps saying they hate tempiss
>better create tempoo
The first eight EN homos were all hired at the same time (or 6/8 were I forget), and they just spread out their debuts by a few months. That being said, the aggressive HomoEN push in 2022 while HoloEN was languishing despite its breakout success was because Omega sincerely believed that the HoloEN audience was so different from the HoloJP fanbase that they would accept Tempus as equivalent to EN3 (hence the T3MPUS branding) and that HoloEN and HomoEN could informally be a single big mixed branch like NijiEN. Obviously, they were wrong and it was probably a key factor in Omega getting canned later that year.

>>111239217
Why single out American unicorns? The worst retards on both sides of this culture war are SEA.

>>111237199
Cover's deptartments that are able to do shit are : merch, concert, sponsor negotiations

The ones that have no idea what to do are : Branding, hiring/benefits, programming

>>111240887
Isn't the JP audience more normie and more tolerant towards the Homos?
>>111240932
SEA are asshole "fun" posters that gang up on the weak, but the committed antis come from America.

>>111240887
I don't think I'll ever stop being mad about how much shit the talents had to suffer through just because of a few deranged cuck-fetish freaks in management going "I LOVE COCK I LOVE NIJISANJI KILL HOLOLIVE I HATE IDOLS I HATE WOMEN"

>>111241286
>Isn't the JP audience more normie and more tolerant towards the Homos?
Not really, no. There are more homocollabers on the JP side but most of these are early hires (gens 0-2) and homocollabs have gotten pretty rare outside of a few FPS-oriented holos
>SEA are asshole "fun" posters that gang up on the weak, but the committed antis come from America.
I suspect a lot of this comes down to how Tempus was pushed--not only as a substitute for an actual EN3 but in the way the second half of the Tempus debuts were handled with the pre-emptive shutting down of the subreddit. Combined with how HoloEN was struggling that year and it made them (as an extension of Omega) come off as adversarial

Cover wanted their hands in both pies but fumbled horribly because the fanbases were incompatible.

>>111237374
>no, most fucking hated them. that's why it was always an issue when bae or someone collabed
/vt/ is gonna melt down no matter who streams with what person. I'd hardly take them as a sample for the fanbase at large.

>>111239217
>American
Extremely doubtful considering how the rest of our celebrities are.
If a real unicorn was in america they would've killed themselves long before discovering vtubers

>>111234780

>>111238350
>Having an option for female fans means wider audience.
yeah cause that worked so well for film, tv and vidya?

>>111239217
thirdie seethe
>>111243561
most unicorn chads are American, thirdie. even going back like 20 years britney spears hid the fact she had a boyfriend when she was popular. the current thing with female popstars having husbands/boyfriends is extremely recent. that's a major plot point in that movie with jenifer lopez that was based on a true story of that singer who got murdered in like 1992

>>111243532
/vt/ is correct. hell people seethed at tenma for streaming with that fag who got fired from homoen for being a child molester. Gura and Panko wouldn't be going out of their way to talk about how they would never stream with homos if it was a minority

>>111245719
Kamen Rider

>>111237199
I still dont understand what Blue Journey was, was it like an album with a story?

>>111245946
That's cheating, they have a captive audience of moms who can't avoid it when their kid watches it.

>>111235751
that wasn't the only reason she was the runt.

>>111235928
the reaction to them was not "massive" in any way.

>>111241359
make up a few more guys to get mad at, cuck.

>>111238350
>>111245719
men watch men all the time. they just didn't really get streamers that are good enough.

>>111247509
>that wasn't the only reason she was the runt.
it was. it's crazy how much beggars hate her and constantly throw her under the bus
>the reaction to them was not "massive" in any way.
no, they were despised
>>111247732
men watch flesh streamers, no guy is going to watch a male vtuber
because only child rapists become male vtubers

>>111245812
Spoken like a true westaboo that never actually grew up in the states

>>111234780
They want the fujo money. it clearly exists. think of all the people throwing money at gacha and kpop dogshits. the money is there. they just need to direct it and siphon part of that. they tried. they failed. they stopped. that is all.

>>111248697
Which is stupid. Fujo money isn't reliable even if you get ahold of it for a year or two. It's far safer to aim for the regular male stream watcher

>>111248585
>in the states
I'm American, you clearly are not, thirdie

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>>111248812
Keep telling yourself that and maybe someone will believe you.

>>111248888
no one fucking calls America
>the states
I'm white, I was born in the US, my parents were born here, there parents were born here, some of my family has been here since before the revolution
the girls being in couples shit is super fucking recent in US history. even back in the early 2010s you had streamers like dodger intentionally lying about going on a date as
>going to dinner with a friend
because no one likes cuckshit, most guys are based unicorn chads. you can even see it with modern ig hoes who will have pointed out couples shit is basically only watched by women and guys will 100% stop watching any girl who has a boyfriend.

>>111245719
Gundam, Marval, Animal Crossing
Get a life loser

>>111236915
all this and it still isn't enough for homofans. they want the women to bend over and sacrifice everything for their boys

>>111234780
How does this picture connect to OPs ramblings?

>>111236984
holoearth creation was at the rise of NFT's and blockchains, thinking it was anything but money is naive. it was their "metaverse".

>>111249029
>gundam
in the shitter
>marvel
literally did so fucking bad they had to rehire the entire old cast because they weren't making money and disney shareholders are bitching that men won't go to any disney movies, including marvel

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>>111248980
>no one fucking calls America
>>the states
Yes they do, especially along the coasts. You'd know if you ever lived stateside.
Seriously, how on earth are you so confidently wrong about all of this?
If you ever grew up here, you'd understand that papparazi + rock star culture has made it so that EVERY celebrity is assumed to be sleeping around, with or without a partner, and it's been the case for decades.
Hell, the popularity of celebs like Paris Hilton alone invalidates your entire argument. And she's done nothing but fuck around and be rich.

>>111249108
through out the late 80s to the 2010's the fujo fanbase was the back bone
>>111249108
>had to rehire the entire old cast
Good, everything after phase three was shit, but that sill doesn't change that it had a strong female fanbase early on.

>>111245719
The entirety of the disney sitcom empire + franchises like steven universe?

Holy fucking rent free

>>111249171
>Yes they do, especially along the coasts. You'd know if you ever lived stateside.
>Seriously, how on earth are you so confidently wrong about all of this?
we literally don't I've never heard someone call America
>the states
that's something third worlders say
>If you ever grew up here, you'd understand that papparazi + rock star culture has made it so that EVERY celebrity is assumed to be sleeping around, with or without a partner,
only women read those mags and again, even like a decade ago the fucking jonas brothers and selena gomez were wearing promise rings and shit. the anti unicorn stuff is super new. you aren't American and you are a zoomer. you sound like you are from like bongland or ausfalia or some other third world country
>Hell, the popularity of celebs like Paris Hilton alone invalidates your entire argument. And she's done nothing but fuck around and be rich.
men were not paying paris hilton to see her. most of her audience was women. guys weren't watching the simple life
>>111249177
>through out the late 80s to the 2010's the fujo fanbase was the back bone
of gundam? no it was guys buying the model kits. granted some women do buy model kits, but most of gundam's money came from model kits and toys.
>Good, everything after phase three was shit, but that sill doesn't change that it had a strong female fanbase early on.
they went full roastie DEI and no one watched it. the same thing happened to rings of power and star wars and star trek
>>111249251
disney's stock holders are calling for blood because right now only the parks and cruise ships are making any money. no one is watching their slop.

>>111249329
Hey, question.
When was the last time you went outside and talked to a human being?
Everything you've said could be disproven simply by walking outside and listening to other americans talk to each other.
Seriously, you sound like your entire perception of america comes from 4chan.

>>111249329
>one watched it.
Those were badly written movies, if you know anything about the MCU, it was only thought out till the end of phase three (killing Thanos), after that it was borderline fan fiction.
And The same for Star Wars, they were too afraid of keeping to a plot that differed from the older movies so they had one movie be a fan remake of ep. 4, winged it for the 2nd movie, then threw away the script for the 3rd one and had a fanfic script written in 6 months. Shit movies are bad because of shit writing.

>>111249477
And there was strong female support for the good movies, so what was you point?

>>111249461
I literally live in the US and have lived here all my life and vote and own guns and I was born here. you literally keep fucking bong posting and
>let me tell you about your country
posting
>>111249477
>Those were badly written movies
because they were written by women and DEI hires aka holostars fans
no one wants black captain America just like no one wants male vtubers

>>111249329
>the fucking jonas brothers and selena gomez were wearing promise rings and shit
Because they were children? Also, you're delusional if you think the jonas brothers and selena weren't sucking and fucking and doing drugs back in their "pure child star" era, pretty much every former disney star has talked about how raunchy things were behind the scenes

>>111249557
>because they were written by women
Nope, the normal staff worked on them and the Falcon as Cap happened in the 90's comics, the fact the movie was shit had nothing to do with the character

>>111234780
>>111238561
OOOOHH CUTE VTUBERS SHITTING THEMSELVES ToT

>>111249591
>>111249516
and again, that doesn't change my main point here >>111249029

>>111234780
Fujo and Yume money is worth it, the problem is that male vtubers are a tricky subject. Sure, you have your male Niijs, but most of them are regular people, not characters that VAs read from a script, they are actual people with stuff they like and dislike. Some obviously with some clear mental issues. In women, this gets a pass because of the whole gap moe thing being more acceptable in women, than men. Fujos want to see them play into the fantasy, yumes want a perfect dude all the time, and there's no one in all of the generations who has been like that.

Also no, more girls isn't the solution either (overcrowding), their plan could've worked if they focused on male vtubers that were more willing to fit a role that doesn't spend as much time as the regular vtuber.

>>111249561
>Because they were children?
they were over 18 when they were doing it. they wore those rings into their early 20s
>they were kids
>imagine the sex
get help
>>111249591
>Nope, the normal staff worked on them
you can go look up WGA numbers now vs 10 years ago. most WGA writers are women or minorities
>and the Falcon as Cap happened in the 90's comics,
you know marvel had to sell off the film rights to spiderman because they went bankrupt in the 90s due to poor sales, right?
>the fact the movie was shit had nothing to do with the character
no one wants to see black captain America, it has literally never sold. no one likes that character

>>111249690
there plan was never going to work, the hololive audience doesn't want to see faggots
one of the queers legit said he thought he would be able to convert the girls' viewers to his channel

>>111249557
Bro you type like a cartoon parody. Did you grow up in the territories or something? I know it's silly whenever some anime dude goes off about his guns and DEI or whatever, but nobody ACTUALLY talks like that here unless they're trying to be funny.

>>111249744
we both know you aren't American. no one here calls the US
>the states
you are trying to do the
>let me tell you about your country
shit. you are acting like shit like selina didn't happen here. go watch the movie, which was based off what actually happened, and they literally hid her marriage in real life because it would hurt her sales. no one likes the coed shit. most male Americans are unicorns. any couples shit is intended for women. if a girl in a band mentions she's dating someone, her music is for women.

>>111236915
>In effect: made all of HoloJP !!! SUSPEND STREAMING !!! to avoid overlap for UPROAR's fucking debuts, the first time such bullshit was ever done - literally hours of Holos not being allowed to stream in their prime slot all for the sake of funneling their viewers to da boiz (they still didn't watch)
Wasn't this for the EN Homos which caused many of the JP girls to cancel their big weekend streams?

>>111249960
>>111236915
is yagoo retarded?
>let's ban all the streamers people like from streaming. surely this will make the homos popular, them being associated with canceled streams

>>111249844
Anon, on the off chance you actually are american, I beg you to PLEASE go outside. Because again, you're sounding insane and ignoring the entire media empire based around celebs fucking each other. One you could easily see just by going to the corner store and looking at the racks on the wall.
/vt/ is rotting your brain and I'm starting to wonder if you actually might be serious.

>>111250157
that shit you are talking about is for women. men don't read fucking gossip rags, thirdie

>>111240887
>(or 6/8 were I forget)
That's lore, you retards always get it wrong. Tempus 1 (four of them) were hired at the start of 2022 and debuted in July. Tempus 2 was hired (again, four of them, at the same time) around October 2022 and debuted in January 2023. Armis was hired around May 2023 and debuted in November 2023.

>>111250718
Yes anon. The target of the so called "DEI audience" you're whining about. The audience proving that pandering to them in the right way can actually make money.

>>111251109
didn't work with vtubing, didn't work with films, didn't work with tv, didn't work with comics, didn't work with vidya

>>111247732
>men watch men all the time.
I watch male youtubers all the time too. It's just that stuff is about technology, history, woodworking, science, whatever.
I don't watch men playing video games.
Honestly, I don't really watch women playing video games much either. But I do watch /hag/s singing idol pop. That's the appeal.

>>111251179
Except when it does.
Then you just lampshade it and say "oh yeah that woman-targeted content is for WOMEN" and get confused.

>>111234780
the joke is KFC and WATERMELON you fucking retard

It's too little too late at this point, the company and culture were irreparably harmed. Stars should have been shut down with prejudice the second Jutard started making enemies everywhere, harassing women from other companies and lying about having access to meeting all the talents, when in reality there were extensive measures in place to make sure they NEVER were allowed near the women, which shows how much cover knew they couldn't be trusted

>>111252251
>when in reality there were extensive measures in place to make sure they NEVER were allowed near the women
lmao what kind of dystopian nonsense do you think cover is?
Even JP stars were regulars with the girls.

>>111252366
same old loops about the hololive and holostars talents having completely different days to visit super expo 2024 behind the scenes to write on their standees and try the food etc. separate buses to and from the con. basically no arranged meetings irl

>>111252387
Oh wow, so the company didn't arrange meetings between unrelated parties? Whoa
And then they met up and did collabs anyways
It's just a job, dude. Cover doesn't own their lives.

>>111249329
>no one is watching their slop
arent all the popular youtubers owned by disney?

>>111234780
They basically dominated female idol streaming scene. Not trying to explore a new market to see if it can give results would be retarded. Obviously you have to invest in it for a bit, but they made mistake somewhere (I don’t know about japs, but in EN letting Magni and Vesper go was a nail to the coffin) and they were burning the money.
Nowadays homos don’t get extra shit and they are just letting them do their own thing and grow naturally (or die)

>>111234780
>>our fanbase keeps saying they hate tempiss
>>better create tempoo
KEKK. got me good

>>111235500
>>and would stop watching the girls who did associate with them
>This never happened
really? so you just going to memory holed when La+ venting about her decreasing SCs around after she got her custom outfit in valorant stream and when festival got a jp twitch streamer account banned in vcr gta her fans dgaf and she got bullied to oblivion?

>>111250030
>is yagoo retarded?
Yes

>>111234780
I ate what I'm pretty sure was a single rotten plum because I didn't know what rotten plums looked like, and that was enough to give me massive diarrhea all night.
Sometimes it really is just bad food.

>>111234780
>I still don't understand why cover stood by stars for as long as they did.
The length just shows how small of a loss they were operating at (if any).

>>111248980
>I'm white
>there parents

>>111236317
Nigger Vox was rivalling Pekora in terms of raw CCV at his peak

>>111238350
>women don't watch idols

Have you been living under a rock for the past 10 years or what? There's some faggot ass Kpop star you've never heard of putting girls into actual debt just to sniff his toilet paper.

>>111253093
It took him and Luxiem for NijiEN to get intro the black; guess for all the noise about people jumping to NijiEN, none had money

>>111253126
>faggot ass Kpop star you've never heard of
I'm vaguely aware of this phenomenon, but not really.
In any case, appears it does not translate into vtubing.

>>111253214
Yes it does. Look at peak Vox.

>>111253192
Less that and more NijiEN didn't want to invest in anything.
Luxiem got MASSIVE amounts of promotions, events, merch, and high budget shit on launch. Far more than Lazusydia ever had a chance of getting. They got their own dedicated Luxiem channel with clips, MVs, multiple songs rushed out, etc. Unique merch everywhere, CONSTANT ads all over the internet, etc. etc.
Lazulight's first anni was completely eclipsed by Luxiem's "half anni."
They seriously did not try with Lazusydia and they were barely a step above rebranding IN and calling it EN.

>>111253093
Lol nope. He was never even rivaling Gura in that.
His strong point was massive SC earnings.

>>111253250
Vox at his peak was nearing 50,000 CCV

>>111234780
What’s the point of pic? Am I too neurotypical to understand this level of autism?

>>111253262
He reached that number like twice on special occasions.
That wasn't his day to day performance.
His peak had him on like 10k on average.

>>111248697
I think this is it. From a big picture finance perspective male vtubers SHOULD work. We’ve seen with people like vox that there’s a market for BFE. The issue is that the kinda people who are willing to become male vtubers are usually terrible people as well as the fact that management (and most male vtubers themselves!) forced mixed gender collabs through. I don’t think anyone would’ve had an issue if stars kept to themselves and did BFE stuff. I’m all for letting the ladies goon too. We just all know that’s not how things turned out. Stars ended up being a net negative for the company and has done irreparable brand damage to certain talents in the eyes of the core audience. Cut your losses

>>111253338
>did BFE stuff
except the initial audience for tempiss was "brotubers" who love game grumps and super best friends and want to watch their bros sitting on a couch in vc shooting the shit, and they hired mostly men who are opposed to fanservice and constantly make fun of women who would be into them

>>111236915
Wow I didn’t even know this that’s insane. Yeah cover fucked up huge there

>>111253414
Don’t shoot the messenger here I’m agreeing with you! I just think male vtubers didn’t inherently have to conflict with hololive. They could’ve easily been kept completely separate and I have every confidence that people would’ve just left them be! (Let the women goon too!)

Instead we got culture warriors who instead of actually creating anything of value themselves focused on destroying idol culture.

This was a failure of bad hirers and worse management and the fact that it took them this long to pull the plug on things shows the issue with Japanese bureaucracy

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>>111253338
>I think this is it. From a big picture finance perspective male vtubers SHOULD work
You know, it dawned on me the other day after seeing how much vtubers love Pragmata that that's literally what Vedal's content is, and he's very successful for it. Like I'd say a lot of his audience is male, but there's also a lot of women that watch him. I think with male vtubers though, and male content creators in general people place a lot of value on them being self made. No one really respects the HoloStars because Cover expected people to like them just because of the brand like they do with the girls.

>>111234780
they're Japanese.
Standing up for their fellow men is commendable

>>111253466
how can they be separate if hololive pays their expenses
fuck off, beggar

test

>>111252485
Because this worked out so well with im@s and every idol group that tried a male branch.
What's amazing is that they saw every single failure and thought "this time it will work"

>>111253652
Slop