>>111392688
>one is still working hard, putting out content and being happy in what they do (aside from issues with management). She's in it on the long run, still willing to grow

>the other just fucks off for six months and collects rent

>>111392688
Did you time traveled from 2020?

>>111392688
Are we fishing again for compliments on /here/, Kiara?

>>111392763
It's always like that. Look at Filian.
Or Bao. On the simp site someone calculated through the ranking that her Fansly makes $15k+$40k(!) per month, even on months where she does 0 streams. And it's not just vtubers, that one black twitch guy hasn't streamed in 8 months and still gets $800k per month from subs.
People LOVE paying for shit that doesn't deliver. My mom has a 4k Netflix subscription but only watches movies/shows like 5 times a year.

>>111392688
Everyone knows that art and entertainment always involve an X factor. Kiara succeeds because she's charismatic and diligent. And that's something that most people don't have to her degree.

>>111392917
Can't be, she's making Reine and Anya kiss right now.

>>111392688
Yeah but Kiara is fucking grating to the ears and talks over everyone during collabs. She isn't fun to watch.

Unironically Kiara is mismatched with her model vs personality. How she is and her debut voice would of been liked if she was a brat/loli model.

>>111393026
>How she is and her debut voice would of been liked if she was a brat/loli model.
Still obnoxious and unwatchable.

>>111392688
Now post Rushia and Pekora.

>>111392688
>One looks like a cute little girl and sounds like it
>The other like an over designed mess and with the screeching call of a harpy

>>111392917
>Implying the poster is Kiara
The poster is clearly Gura. Kiara is streaming right now.

>>111392688
Talent but mostly luck is all that really matters.

>>111393061
god i miss old rushia

Talent in what, scamming?

>is charisma the most important thing for an entertainer??
NO WAY WHAT THE FUCK
faggot

Kiara is the most "i'm gonna get big MY WAY" of them all, zero compromise.
She will never get anywhere.

Girl, remake you shitty pastel "normie" avatar into a asuka from eva and go back living in jap.

>>111393159
Pretty much this. Gura had the lead in momentum before they all even debuted.

>>111392688
>Holo vs Holo
Must be more bots. Not sure who pays for them.

>>111392953
>kiara
>charismatic

>>111393159
She had the perfect mix of avatar, chain of events and viral moments ("a")
Luck is big; IMO if Aki had a better luck, her entire pathing would be different

>>111392688
All the most successful people in the world didn't work as hard as everyone thinks. It was more like some kind of predisposition of the world, like it was always meant to be that way.

>>111392763
I think that's the gist of their paths; Gura generally succeeds with little effort, so as a result any kind of actual difficulty stops her cold. Kiara in contrast, having to claw her way through things more or less powers through difficult things

Its what she deserves

>>111393708
>She will never get anywhere.
She is in the top 1% of vtubers, where is she supposed to go.

>>111393107
>an over designed mess
Are you telling me that the genius Huke didn't manage to pull of a phoenix-tokusatsu-waitress?

>>111392763
Gura knew she already provided enough good content for the world so she gets to sit back now and collect her free money, meanwhile Kiara has to bust her ass to churn out anything even vaguely comparable to anything Gura did during her career.

Stay mad KFPcucks

>>111394288
>british humor

>>111394241
Just a while ago kiara crashed out on stream about getting 30 and how her mother at hat age had her after 2 other childrens.
Being a normie is better than a couple housand audience and some small/mid sized shared concert.

Senzawa/gura/saba won the loterry 3 times in a row, got viral through some viral videos but as a streamer she was meh, her songs and viral videos were enough to get hired by hololive in the first ever EN gen during the pandemic, gets one of the best desings in vtubing history which is a nice mascot but jailbait enough to get the otaku/unicorn audience without scaring away the normal fags, is charming and has a nice voice, quickly becomes the no.1 in the entire vtubing industry by having not only otaku appeal but massive appeal to the general audiences.
But how come kiara/kekihime was a failure before holo and had to resort to coombaiting with gravure despite years of experience in japan? She might know how to dance and has a nice face/body but she is not a great singer and her personality is her weakest point, it doesnt matter how much you network and kiss ass if you come across as unlikable, forced and too pushy (there are many rumors of hime being a harpy behind the scenes before holo) her biggest appeal is her aging body but the less said about the way she carries herself the better.
Kiara might have debuted right next to gura but she also got one of the ugliest designs in vtubing and started with an awful voice that turn off anyone who would watch her and her pushy personality push away other co-workers, her atittude of "I am the eternal victim and hidden gem that people cant see" got bad really fast, remember the "pity subs" moment when she reach the million subs? That the best example why kiara was always a failure, her arrogance never lets her have any awareness, she is a mid woman that got big by being a whore online and yet she thinks she made it thanks to her talents only, she thinks she is better than everyone else in the industry, she doesnt understand that kiara is as far as she goes, no matter how much she leeches of her coworkers, no matter how much she panders to the unicorns, no matter how many hours she streams, no matter how many 3d concerts/MV songs she spams, she already reached her peak back in 2021 and it wasnt good enough for her.
Imagine the brutal mogging if gura gave a shit and wasnt lazy? If she went to live to japan and learned japanese? Forget about susei/sora/marine/pekora, gura would have become one of the biggest names in the entertainment industry.
People say gura is lucky and while they are correct and kiara is also lucky, she got lucky that gura/ame/ina barely gave a shit and mori would even entertain her at all and let her leech of her with the lesbian shit.
Experience and a nice body doesnt really matter if you have no talent and you are an arrogant women aproaching the wall.

>>111395047
The natural course for a "gura with drive" was becoming some tv host personality after her youtube talking toys channel got big.
Vtuber or streamer never ever.

>>111393026
She doesn't sound anything like a loli though. She has your typical European hag voice.

>>111392688
She's proof that luck is far more important than talent and effort

>>111395043
Sounds like a skill issue to me. Vtubing is the easiest "industry" to hide a pregnancy. Try being a real 3D idol and see if you can hide your pregnancy kek

>>111395156
>m-muh luck!!
Is this why a million people subscribed to her after only a month? Luck? Say you're new without saying it, faggot

>>111395248
>Is this why a million people subscribed to her after only a month?
Yes. Typical case of being in the right place at the right moment.

Both of them are quite bad and do not deserve the positions they got, if you’re being honest.

>>111395283
And yet Kiara got way less of this "right place at the right moment" luck of yours. Curious, isn't it?

>>111395412
Surely you remember what year 1 Kiara was like

>>111395283
Don't forget waves of bandwagoning

>>111392688
who cares about the number
none of them can watch Gura

>>111395439
Thus disproving your own point, dumbass. People chose who they liked better, shit had nothing to do with luck.

>>111393107
trvke

>>111395139
her voice is not typical, anywhere

>>111395043
It's way better to have 3 money and 0 children than to have 0 money and 3 children.

>>111394695
>Gura knew she already provided enough good content for the world so she gets to sit back now and collect her free money
the worst part is that kanicucks actually think like this.

>>111395652
Doesn't disprove that Gura had perhaps the most perfectly timed Viral moment, likely TOO perfect

>>111392763
>and being happy in what they do
Kiara is incapable of being happy

>>111395043
>Just a while ago kiara crashed out on stream
Many such cases

>>111392953
The X factor really is everything. But even in the diligence department she gets lapped by workaholics like Mori and ones with an easy gimmick to milk like the dogs.

>>111392953
>Kiara succeeds
Tell her that, she is convinced otherwise

>>111396639
Hard to argue against this, especially since the twins were partially made to follow in Gura's footsteps

>>111396680
Likely because she only looks up, not down. And it doesn't help her oshi is Pekora, someone with few equals in Hololive.

>>111392688
gura is in that proverbial fine line between genius and madness, but its more like her not being able to balance between "not giving a shit about streaming" and "giving too much a shit about streaming"
because you can probably tell that she's a bit more self-aware and self-conscious of what she's doing, compared to how she presents herself as almost effortlessly enganged and just saying whatever naturally comes to mind

>>111392688
Not reading all your drivel she has the charisma of a plank she shouldn't even have 1,6

>>111398188
Maybe she should have 6,7

>>111397779
giving the illusion of being unfiltered is also why she's more popular than the vast majority of streamers with self-induced tourettes

>>111392688
raw talent always wins. no amount of effort can overcome someone who just has "it"

>>111401008
Like IRyS?

>>111392688
I feel like some respect should be put on Gura for being one of the very few EN girls to bother streaming with a model before holoEN. Call me crazy.

>>111392763
Fpbp

>>111392688
No, she isn't.
Gura only mogged her in subs. But where's her music? Only two original songs, no album, and worse, no Sololive. The biggest potential in EN, and she squandered it. Say what you want about Kiara but she put out original music. AND had her own concert.

Also those subs for Gura? Dead subs - Saba has not even beaten Kiara's sub count

>>111396393
>most perfectly timed Viral moment
Qrd?

>>111401467
"a"

>>111397077
>>111396639
As much as I like the dogs they can never be like Gura and vice-versa. Unironically the dogs are too weeb (like Kiara) and idol focused, and they don't really have viral moments.
I know this comparison has been brought up endlessly, but the one EN closest to what Gura could have been is a Biboo. Except the comparison also fails because Biboo loves gaming and streaming. (And doesn't sing that good)

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>>111392688

>raw talent
Cunnybaiting isn't talent

Gura is a rejection of talent- an experienced talented idol with a shit voice gets mogged by someone who learned howto appeal to internet pedos.

it's that easy and is also the reason asmongold and moistvagina are top-tier streamers. You'll never see XcellentXX the doctor of astrophysics who is also a top-tier gamer being the top of these streams, no one wants to watch the best of the best. They want to watch something that appeals to their base animal instincts "wow I wanna fuck that shart" "wow the Roach King is just like me".

This is also why Hasanabi's fanbase is mostly female while Vaush appeals to male commies. Because Vaush is a disgusting trashking with a goblin wife while Hasanabi is a chad.

>>111392688
I'm not sure because while I'm not a Kiara fan I think Gura is pretty mediocre and find her popularity kinda' baffling.

>>111393450
EN meme culture got her clipped and shared. after that it was basically self sustaining. the proof is how despite her laziness for over 3+ years she still has insane sunk cost supporters.

>>111401542
I never said they were entirely successful in that regard but it was enough for them to be pretty successful in general in part due to what they have over Gura: a desire to be in the big spotlight. I got the impression Gura never wanted it and preferred to be more a background character with a funny remark occasionally.

>>111393708
Cover will never let her get a base model redesign, she's talked of how pointless that topic is multiple time's. She know's she is knee capping herself not moving back to JP. I was hoping she would of done the visa and at least be like Ina do like 4 months JP and 2 months home.

>>111397077
The dogs are what the average person would consider to be an insufferable level of weeb, talk like babbling 5 year olds, and are more interested in being accepted as JP than anything EN related. What part of them was 'designed' to be the next Gura?

>>111395043
a year ago it was last summer she had that crash out

>>111392938
>4k Netflix subscription
Bro is just making shit up lmao.

>>111392688
Kiara is fucking dogshit, nobody wants to watch this trash

Saba has the ex holo buff so she'll always have both a dedicated fanbase and a dedicated anti fanbase that spurs on the former see: this board seething about her 24/7 instead of watching kiara lmao.

>>111395950
She literally sounds like every other twitch whore lmao

>>111401802
Yet they blew past their genmates in an era where getting a million. And hololive still got their markable faces of EN. If they were solely for weebs, that wouldn't have happened

>>111401600
Gura was EN meme culture ref and clip able while being "cute" and filtering herself just enough. had so many normies seeing memes/clips of her referencing old memes and pop culture. Kiara is an idol otaku with no real EN meme culture

>>111392688
Gura is the Messi of EN VTubing

>>111392688
For a rightwing chud hobby this board sure likes socialism. What you're demanding here is called DEI, namely the "equity" part. DEI is a bullshit system because it rewards talentless people.

>>111392688
gura was never talented, she was always awkward on stream. she was always extremely private and cagey toward the audience. she has no interests anyone is aware of except maybe DMC. shes the total opposite of every good streamer you've ever watched. whatever reason she got popular, it had zero to do with talent.

>>111392763
>nowhere does anon address the question from OP
proof that seething trannies can't deny Gura's talent

>getting hard carried by COVID and your model just to be the laziest of your old group
Wew lad, can’t wait to catch the next Saba stre— oh, wait…

>years of singing and dancing training
>get mogged by this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uzw1Zr1FE4

>>111402466
Hey, when’s the next karaoke stream?

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>>111402634
go ask mint

>>111402425
>faggot anon conveniently forgets Gen 5 debuted 1 month before Myth and that Gura debuted with other 4 girls
The absolute state of pebbleniggers

>>111402809
Sure, sure, it’s always some excuse to not face reality.

>>111401597
>"wow the Roach King is just like me".
now who the fuck would say this?

>>111402088
NTA but
>Yet they blew past their genmates in an era where getting a million
That's because they asked, they made really concerted effort to basically beg for people to help them reach 1 million as quickly as possible. Anons in general don't really seem to understand how literally just asking people to subscribe has a direct positive correlate with sub growth
They also abused the fuck out vertical streams back in 2023 when that would boost your subs a lot

>>111392688
normies mistaken her for some cocomelon skibidi toilet shit and they never bother unsubbing.

>>111401988
Truth nuke

>>111401597
there are dozens of cunnytubers and most of them aren't popular
>rest of the post is schizobabbling
if you fail to understand why the roach is popular, then nobody should care about your opinion on what makes a vtuber popular, you have zero social awareness and you're probably autistic

>>111402347
Messi actually plays soccer though lol

Ya know OP you could just own up that pedophiles are just easily grifted out of their money with no return

>>111392688
it's like martial arts: no matter how hard you practice to perfect that kick, a gun can still kill you.

>>111392688
Gura's popularity was a result of complete luck and circumstance that can't be replicated. Maybe if just one thing changed, she wouldn't be such a do nothing.

>>111408085
Cover was still in full retard phase during Gura's rise: a company who doesn't know how to deal with a meteoric rise in popularity, a company that grew too fast so they made decisions that burnt out her passion. can't be helped, but they should had done much better, like never saying NO to their proposals.

>twitchsharts still seething about losing best vtuber in the streamer awards years ago
lmao they are so pathetic

>>111408121
Don't blame Cover for "burning out her passion", her current absence being longer than any she's had while in Hololive shows that she hardly cared to begin with.

>>111392688
>years of experience as an actual idol
Years of experienced as a failed idol. She was a failed idol for a reason

>>111408139
>she hardly cared to begin with
She cared a lot in her first two years

>>11139268
WHAT ABOUT THE SHAAAAARK?
REMEMBER THE BIG FISH?
WHY NUMBERS NOT LIKE HERS????!?!?!?

>be Kiara
>put on an obnoxiously shrill voice

>>111408085
One could argue if she didn't go from zero to a million, she could have learned to deal with set backs on gentler terms and just maybe be able to handle such fame when it came gradually.
I feel one thing that may have wore away at her was the notion she would always be noted for "a" alone unlike her genmates who developed reps for more complete things

>>111401902
Bro...

>>111392688
I'm so happy Gura is nerfed by her own laziness.

>>111392688
Kiara has more subs than Saba so no there is no crazy talent factor

>>111402088
They begged for subs, likes, and views. They played up the whole "teehee please like and subscribe or I'll be really sad~ >.<" thing which I find to be pretty reprehensible.Not to mention they made several follow up posts on twitter, YT, membaposts, and even put a sub counter on their stream overlay. Its debatable if this can be considered organic growth, but no one can argue that it wasn't really forced.

>>111392688
>>be Kiara
Could have stop just right here.

>>111392688
>talent
Nigga, Gura literally got carried by design alone.

>>111392688
Kiara sounds like a retard

>>111392688
Having a sexo model is not what I would call "raw talent", anon. Yeah, yeah, pedo bait, bla bla, I know, but am I wrong?

>>111411124
Explain Kana then

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>>111392688
Reminder Saba has less subs then Kiara and will NEVER pass Kobo

>>111396312
mad cuz bad

>>111401417
>kfp are imagining a sololive
grim

>>111401566
calling $5 findom
translating
broke thirdie

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>>111412454
Terrible comparison as Saba achieved most of that million in a couple of weeks, while Kiara and Kobo had to claw their subs over the course of five or six years. Why don't you compare her growth to her closest remaining analogue in Hololive, Biboo? Someone who hasn't even achieved 1 mil yet, or to FWMC who have less subs than Saba despite relentlessly begging for it, and shilling their MVs daily.

>>111413219
Look at sub growth
Assuming Kobo has 0 growth Saba is not passing her until 2035

>>111412810
/vt/'s most iconic image

>>111392688
Kiara is and always will be an unlovable runt no matter how hard she tries. She has negative charisma.

>>111392688
Yes sadly that is how the world works.

>>111412810
>m
Everytime

>>111401417
Sadly true, I was waiting for a Gura pop/jazz album and never got one, Reflect is just okay, I don't even remember the color one, and Ashes is mid. Totally wasted potential.

>>111412810
They know what they have to say to appease their audience

>>111412454
Here is the thing though, most subs over time go inactive. You have to look at what their typical stream has in viewers.

>>111392688
>Gura
>Raw talent
lol

I never understood what people saw in gura

>>111420579
Neither did I. I thought it was the gimmick of a shark girl being amusing that got a lot of people watching-- but it seems people have some weird connection to her in her past life before that as well and she was considered hot shit then too.

Talented scam artist maybe. Not much else.

>>111420579
they didn't see much because she never streamed

>>111420579
cute & funny model + viral moment on debut + good singing voice + shitposter PL + covid buff
The perfect storm. I started watching her because she absolutely killed it on Muse Dash and I was impressed. I'd still watch her if she streamed. I'm not some bitter faggot or a larper.

If this Gaur Gonka girl is so good why does Sameko Sabbatical have less subscribers than Kiara?

>>111421528
Because she doesn't have to do any streaming when her paypigs finance her lifestyle. Only a certain number of paypigs are needed.