This thread is for the discussion and discovery of English-speaking VTubers who do ASMR.>Ongoing streamshttps://vt.rita.moe/?tag=genre:ASMR&tag=lang:Englishhttps://vt.rita.moe/?tag=thread:/tingles/https://asmrfarm.com/ (Mixed JP/EN)Rentry with useful information: https://rentry.org/tinglesveeteeVTuber ASMR playlists: https://www.youtube.com/@tinglesanonPrevious thread: >>111392678
Remember to clean your slug anon!
>>111405292I would fight all of /tingles/ to put a smile on her face
Here are Ch4is panties from last rplay stream btw.
>>111405415I came
>>111405415 (me)I would also recommend looking in the vod for this cause she made a cute squeak and was embarrassed when it happened(no I do not remember the time stamp).
>>111405415cute
>>111405415Ch4i is so fucking cute
Who up tingling their thread rn
I am now a choombie
>>111405415this pic + her mouthit's gooning time
you don't need someone reading you doujin bedtime stories before bed every night
you dont need to make low effort posts every thread
Cera said it's rp but you know she means it kek
YUhSMGNITTZMeTluYjJacGJHVXVhVzh2WkM5aGIyZDJSSGs9
Menachu~
>>111405195based pengoon not linking to the tranny faggot thread
>>111405695Menacute~
i need the ch4i vod saaaars
https://files.catbox.moe/erzdut.mp4
>>111405415Ch4i should take a warm bubbly piss directly into my mouth
https://rplay.live/c/ch4i/live
>>111405790ch4i might be my favorite doujin reader now
https://www.twitch.tv/nyhvt
AIIIIIIIIEEEEEE Cera calling us out
>>111405834What did she sayt. retard poorfag
cera mac
>>111405771I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really like Yuno
>>111405874I'll make a soundpost when the vod is done recording, but it was a bit about calling you pathetic for posting anonymously on random boards
>>111405803Pengoon......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz_-uvvIj4Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e99OVMYKdxchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waJRHcws_uMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebXZvouLuEYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiLemFHZMH0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-LFVFyqwAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGIVisG1JeAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMm4KCFVnAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcqPtESm3Swhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCB5bZt8ojU
Aloo
Ch4i is talking about my tiny weak penis. Ch4i is the perfect chuuba for an indian like me.
Cera chink pussy
>>111405930I can’t relate
Wolf is making clips now? He never did that shit for menace
Ch4i apologizing for being a horny girl...
Cera daddy issues
>>111405904Is she pathetic for being an anonymous vtuber instead of a normal streamer?
I love my gooner wife!
I only like loli femdom if there is also domination loss.
the worst she can say is Kill Yourself on a post-it
is lidl ok? are we off for tonight?
>>111406053
>>111406000Difficult to find anything clip worthy in her boring streams
>>111406054She’s asleep in my bed
Cera based
https://www.twitch.tv/kkcyber
To many /here/tubers this is supposed to be my safe space.
need the crabussy
>>111405771og mac n cheese
>>111406054She lost her id so everything is on hold rn
>>111406288KK is underrated.
It's too quiet around here.
post tributes
I'll never forget you Mio
https://gofile.io/d/9dyYTgCh4i vod for anyone that doesn't want to deal with rapeplay
>>111406911Thanks, its time to tingle.
>>111405904this is true i'm quite pathetic
I love Penis.
i can’t tell if I want a super nice girl oshi who’s pure of heart and kind to us or someone down to earth and sort of mean/degrading. or just a normal girl like nene. im getting imouto fatigue.
>>111405904Does Cera want me to tell her in chat how much I want to fuck her tight chink pussy?
>>111405195Previous thread: >>111399686Was wondering how the hell the last bake was still the Vixie one
>>111406911thanks you saar
Alright boys, I have a very specific request here.Recently, I found a vtuber called "Chroniko :33" on youtube and was listening to one of her videos (https://youtu.be/DIRz8ijok0o?t=504) and was thrown in to nostalgia. She sometimes does a thing where during whisper-speak, she finishes a sentence with a fairly quick but drastic pitch increase then decrease. You should look at the reference video to get an idea of what I'm talking about.I have no idea where, but I've heard that style of speaking. Is it common? Does it have a searchable term? No idea. I think I heard it before in one of the generic "ASMR Zhen"- or "ASMR Zheng"-type channels, but I can't find it again!So my request: Where can I get more of that specific style of whisper-speak? It's so cute and kinda makes my head spin in a good way
What are your favorite Michael Cera works?
>>111406996>a normal girl like nene
>Missed dog nigga againbaka my hadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHMWR31bWE
>>111406911isnt this the old one
>>111407025any suggestions then weather boy
>ch4i changed from footcam to thighcam because she wasn't feeling well>didn't want to break tradition by not having camch4i is a good girl
>>111406073Why are women fat?
>>111407045It is, anon is dumbShe hasn't uploaded the vod yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SwK6a86YCc
>>111407045yeah sorry didn't look at the date just grabbed the most recent vod.
>>111405415>>111406911>1:03:55
>>111407016i wish you good luck your search because even niko doesn't do it very often i don't think
>>111407045I thought the thread wanted this one anyways
>>111407135i did but please also post the new one when available saar
>>111407135God bless.
>We've seen 5 of the 6 eroi girls naked, what the hell is taking Devana so long to show her hangers?is this paid contentCan I just fucking pay vixie to see her titsAre they good tits
big natural bouncy korean tiddies
>more rplayI love Shelly.
>>111407135i did thank you. i feel so spoiled. life as a jeet is so good. ch4i pantyshot and kanna cameltoe, i am so happy to be indian right now. kanna is so funny the way she waited for the camera to focus on her pussy so that her mound is clearly visible before blocking it with her foot like a pro. a blink and you'll miss it moment before i download the leaked vod and pause the video to stare at the shape of her pussy
Nana
>>111407016isn't that how Japanese vtubers speak in general? at least that's what I'm reminded of.
cera mac and cheese
>>111407279Qrd?
>>111407076Nemo Nevermore
>>111407274
>>111407016sent a maro to zenya about this because i need more
>>111407018that one where he plays a plank of wood
>>111407274Literally me only I'm white and thus hate jeets and will get married to Kanna.
>>111407018the one where she mac and cheeses it
>>111405415holy shit
>>111407285SVP is a seiso vtuber company.
>>111407274It's deliberate, isn't it? She did the same with the nipples webm before awkwardly moving her elbows to block the view. Doing it all on Youtube is insane. She's a succubus.
>>111407279Ruru needs to stop harassing girls while hiding behind an official account
https://x.com/fuwieek/status/2048246932225789977
I love Pomehttps://x.com/odangodaisuki99/status/2048598013862695274
>>111407274watch the latest kanna clip. she's repeating what she's saying too. her brain was on autopilot in that moment because she was focusing on showing off lmao
>>111407016Honestly i don't have any good suggestions for you, but i welcome a new Niko cult member
>Cera moved earplay start time 30 mins later than usualWe're getting the mac and cheese this week
>>111407016I think the kirin sometimes talked like this, but it's just a weird way of speaking in general. I don't think it's normalized enough to be a thing to search up.
>>111405415humping my mattress time
Cera Luceria Tight Chink Pussy Dildo Masturbation Qipao Cosplay Bodycam ASMR To Fall Asleep To
https://files.catbox.moe/zczk26.mp3Ch4i is cute.
There has to be twin vtubers that do lewd or suggestive ASMR together
>>111407453what's the runtime on that vod? I imagine she's a quickshot, faster than the skunk.
>>111407512holy sexo
I dropped Cera when she became a whore
>>11140752130 minutes only but no loading screen so you can put it in your sleep ASMR playlist when you get the VOD. Cera will already be in this position >>111405415 as soon as it starts but with nothing blocking the view of Cera's Chinese Pussy.
it's timehttps://qwertyaz111.github.io/kabedon-floor-simulator/
>>111407719move over Tomodachi Life
Fweek Pushy
spinny spinny
i need more ch4i material to wank to
>>111407848That's what her patreon is for
>>111407719idk zency's height gang
>>111407331>SVP>watch lemi lichen>stumble on a clip of her real voice>generic roastie, kinda fat soundingDropped like a stoneThe fuck are they feeding american women to make them so gross all the timeI don't care if a woman has weird hobbies like bugs but I can't stand roasties.
>>111407375Is the coomtent on her pornsly and fanbox the same?
>>111407719KEK
>>111407512https://files.catbox.moe/m7qkvk.mp3Ch4i was cute here too.
>>111408031what's her real voice?
>>111406927gigantic sucky boobs
>>111407848aHR0cHM6Ly9nb2ZpbGUuaW8vZC9yckhqMWY=
>>111405874sorry for being so late, I forgot.
>>111408214h-how did cera know
>>111408214I got tingles from this.
I'm quite fond of Manururu Nekoko
>>111408214Why are you feeding the poors?
you didn't see that>>111408214Holy gem
I smoocha da squeaka
That's weird, I'm listening to "kissing" asmr, but the kisses sound way more like sucking dick. What's up with that?
>>111409363Link it so I can how it sounds.
>>111409363Link to spread awareness in the community?
ch4i is such a semen demon
is it just me, or are katabasis and e-roi having a informal whore-off?
Oneesan enjoyers... we're going home.
>>111410327Cute.
I'm ungooning myself, wish me luck, brothers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ivb6eYvKgA
>>111409636This happens to me every time I try to sleep in a chair instead of my bed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVEg6t2nfCIdidn't know Zenya was older than the Queen
I don't buy the pig in the poke
i smoocha da besa
>>111411387licka da besa
how big is besa's /slug/
The fact that she was only wearing panties and her legs were spread like that is so hot fuuuuuuck
kanna cameltoe doko?
just fapped to mioneed to catch these live cause the vod is so weak in comparisonluv how she begs while she cumsluv the crabussyASMR
https://www.twitch.tv/yumitomomiYumi Tomomi
my wife loves my small pp
immy is so fucking hot idc if she's nasty
>>111412328the nastiness makes her hotter
>>111410921Me neither, but I guess that's just because Zenya only started actually getting popular recently
Need your best daughterwife vtuber recommendations
>>111412468Faky, Besa, Kumo
>>111412468Zynoa.
>>111410617it only took her 3 years of vtubing to finally understand what's ASMR
>>111412484never watched them before, do they have manvoice or do they actually pass?
>>111412468Lidl if you want a daughter that puts outChai if you prefer to be teased
>>111412511The S's are still extremely sibilant, but otherwise these streams have been huge steps for her
>>111412511Didn’t she go through a no parasocial phase or some shit after kawaii died.
>>111412511Her no talking asmr is great, kisses triggers whatever I welcome her but holy fuck she should never speak. I cant understand why her S sounds are so fucking sharp, I've literally never see it be this bad with someone before.
>>111412663Sort of, she collabed with some dudes a while ago, but funnily enough it was Elia who convinced her to participate in the collab, then Elia herself didn't show up kekNow that's how you sabotage your friend's career
return to your monkey thread at your earliest convenience, you aren't subtle
>>111412558You would still be a homosexual. Hope this was of help.
>>111412558Besa was a thread darling for a while before anon went and found the femboy files on him
Fakyra is the only man who actually passes, I bet the majority of his fans don't know he's a dude
>onlyIknowthetruthschizo
I was thinking of doing some asmr, are the halo microphones good or overhyped/overpriced for what you get?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-k0g2wB_uM
Sera's on twitchhttps://www.twitch.tv/sera_promisu
>>111413274don't give up, I'm sure it's gonna happen
>>111413066go look at his saarcity thread shits funny as hell
anybody have the ch4i vod from last night
>>111413359Halo mics are alright but the company owner is a tranny and mean to Yagi saying he didnt want lolicons using his mics and seems to be a nasty peice of shit all around. Also i think theyre on hiatus from making mics so you would be looking to buy one second hand and who knows what the last person did with it.
vod gang trusting korean nurses who live alonehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMm4KCFVnA
>>111413769Essie pleased more men than she has killed. That makes her a good nurse.
>>111412960that's fucking crazy. i watched him a few times on twitch and figured out very quickly.i kept my follow because he seems harmless. just a genuine femboy who wants to make asmr.
>>111413445>EN ASMR VTubers>Korean speaking Japanese (Never trust)
>>111413868Anon is lying he was never a thread darling only one fucker kept posting him and others started memeing squeaky is probably the whore posting him because her first follows on twitter were the trans asmr creators hopefully she kills herself soonish.
>>111413769$10k btw
Kill yourself, Squeakyschizo.Multiple people posted Besa when they started to see that the ASMR was good.
After recent events the tingla rating agency has upgrade ch4i coin from Whore (derogatory) to Whore (affectionate).
>>111413671that was to miru not yagianyways looks like amerimutt brownposting hours started, time to touch grass
>>111413671Owner is a hypocrite and is friends with lolis and lolicons it’s just the ones she doesn’t like that she attacks
oh i'm sorry guys but i really did not mean to make it seem like i care about thread lore. i do not.please fight about someting else, or don't.
>>111413995What recent events?
>>111412468I don't know because I haven't found it yet nor seek that type of content out. All the answers you've been given are wrong except for lidl I suppose but shes more like a girl with extreme psychosexual daddy issues which is hot but not what you're looking for probably.
>>111414080scrollup
>>111412729Are they still friends?
>>111413671>Halo mics are alright???they are terrible mics
>>111414080gave us good shit to masturbate toaudio porn and face porn and now body porn
>>111413769>trusting a korean scammer
>>111414217qrd?
who's the slug queen?
analyzing the cera schedule>back to back t2 earplay streams (usually she alternates between t1 and t2)>moved back the earplay start time by 30 minutes>yandere rpshe has licked blood with the last stream. the mac is inevitable at this point.
>>111414276besa
>>111414217I’m weak against koreans
>>111414231She stole dono money by lying about being sick and not having stable housing.
you can trust essie
>>111408198Does anyone else think it's funny that Ch4i is much more explicit in her audios than Cera
>>111414381hiii essie!
>>111414381yeah, on opposite day
>>111408198Why do you guys always obscure your links like this anyway? Gofile isn't filtered here as far as I know
>>111414464so that we can post dolphin porn without the jannies knowing
>>111414464I do it just so newfriends have a harder time finding stuff.
Can you imagine waking up on a Monday and immediately start schizoposting about a vtuber you don't watch NEETs should be legally executed or put into forced labor desu
>>111414476Posting stream archives isn't against the rules though
>>111414381essie only does ASMR for numbers
>>111414381Oh... okay! :)
>>111414464i'd say to prevent scrapers, but [a-zA-Z0-9]{20,} does a pretty good job of catching em, although it does get quite a few false positives
>>111414360that's like being weak against normal type moves, though luck.
>>111414017Why are you calling a man “she”? Are you brain damaged?
>>111414509Yeah I mean if you're specifically scraping for this shit it would be trivial to update your scraper to handle it, though it might keep more generalized bots out a bit. I've seen some people on other boards like /hgg/ on /vg/ do it because they're afraid of copyright enforcers because some of those doujin circles get REALLY offended when they see their stuff being shared.
>>111414464If somebody can't pass this extremely basic IQ test they don't deserve asmr archives
>>111414491sorry to hear that your boss is giving you a hard time today, but truth is that neetgods run this thread
>>111414544whatever gramps let’s get you back to bed
>>111414381No hoofcam no trust
>>111408214Well...She's not wrong
>>111414381>>111414406what's funnier to me is the 3 girls mentioned in these posts have talked to the doctor male vtuber on twitter and in dms. cera is the worst offender flirting with him publicly and playing LoL with him offstreamimagine paying $250 to get a shorter cucked version of e-sex ASMR that he gets for free
go back
>>111414605I wfh and I haven't seen my boss since February, but thanks buddy
>>111414671i didn't pay $250 for e-sex though i merely asked for a personalized sph audio
>>111414559i was kinda thinking along the line of mass reporting, but you're right, it would be pretty trivial to automate checking. although you could also do some pretty dirty countermeasures that are basically a captcha:cmVwbGFjZSB4eHh4eHggd2l0aCBnb2ZpbGUgaHR0cHM6Ly94eHh4eHguaW8vZC9CV0dSOUo=
What the fuck are those proportions in that Zenya art? She's 90% head lmao
>>111414793What the fuck are her irl proportions? She's 90% thighs
>>111414793Zenya is smart so that makes sense
zenya probably has higher iq than me tbqdesu
>>111414363As a general rule, I don’t trust anyone who does donothons to actually do most things they list. I’ve always just seen it as a begging for free money move.
Retarded maro sender (redundant)https://x.com/shiruimei/status/2048708233947128253
>>111414770nta but i vibecoded a userscript for the codes before and it barely worked half the timeit's mostly just there to filter the third worlders
>>111414909HOLY FUCKING CRINGE, JESUS CHRIST. Why the fuck did he send that to Echo?
>>111414909wtf
>>111414671"Flirting" alright cuck
>>111414909diplomatic answer (cute)
Does anyone have that clip from Fakyra's fansly stream asking "is this ASMR?"?
>>111414464In our case, it comes from /asmr/. Some fucking idiot white knight used to mass report every link using bots. Now it's mostly tradition.
>>111414909this can't be real
>>111414876i don't recall which chuuba said this, but her basic premise was that the right way to do a donothon is to prepare all the rewards before hand, and release them immediately once the threshold is met.if you get the reward before you do the work, the incentive to actually do it is gone.
I like netcore. She's very menhera.
>>111414464丂ㄒ千ㄩ it looks cool
>>111414972It’s the norm on /t/ because some of these girls (mostly canan) hire services that get these things nuked within minutes. A lot of links are just reposts of pirates or SC anyways
>>111413948Kys squeaky
>>111415066Unfunniest retard itt award.
>>111413948the truth is that 90% of tinglers dont care about asmrtheyre just here for the porn
I love Sexstelle Underscore Channel
>>111415080Oh dont forget to stream it with a 3dio
https://www.twitch.tv/fakyraxoxoThe King has Returned>>111414966https://files.catbox.moe/hv7nq4.mp4
>>111415138i'm just here to make sure my oshi doesn't come up
>>111414909Yeah, no wonder Essie only does ASMR for the numbers
Real Tinglers are here for asmr done by female women. The male posters are different than the porn addicts.
>>111415161kino
>>111415171how does that work?IF she comes up and you start schizoing then people will post her more
>>111415183 (me)no different*
>>111415161Thanks, but also that was some good timing lol
>>111415161very bad news
>>111415248
>>111415161my king
>>111415248Why? Because he mogs actual girls?
>>111415195simple, i just switch oshis
>>111415161Thank you for blessing me with your presence today my King.
>>111415161why aren't biological women doing anything with this level of quality, that's the real problemin EN at leastMenace was supposed to solve this with her 3D
>>111415257i miss Cunny Confetti's design
>>111415314they just cantall the niggas with good 3d are either autists, men, or have a corpo doing it
>>111415161hoooooooooly I'm gay now
Zenya probably has higher iq than me
>>111415487Easy way to tell: Do you buy vtuber merch?
>>111415536yes
>>111415248faggoon...
>>111415536Yes I bought Zenya's bundle https://shop.moso.moe/product/zenya-anniversary-bundle/What does that say about me
>>111415536yeah and I resold it for a profit
>>111415536i used to. can't buy much more unless i move because i ran out of room.i did buy her new merch
there is nothing wrong with being a little gay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COFA3G7bjwII thought this mf quit and now shes back with an anni lol
>>111415587did you scalp the chocolate though?
>>111415314women have had it reenforced their entire lives that just doing the thing that men want is going above and beyond. "I'm acting cute", "I'm doing asmr", "I'm sucking his dick."when it comes to stuff like this women just have to show up but men have to actually perform or they have zero value
>jp asmr chuuba i watch is indefinite hiatusing and privating all her vodsthis reminds me of mortality and the passage of time
>>111415623
>>111415633He opened it discretely, came on it and re-sealed it.
>>111407719
>>111415669wait does this mean that men are better at sucking dick?
>>111415706deleted asmr is still asmr in my book
>>111415706the mere sight of a bell is ASMR
>>111415735read. it means you'd say any girl sucking your dick was excellent but if a man does it it better be life changing experience
>>111415861so then, yes, that is what you meant
>>111415698Yet another reminder to archive anyone you enjoy listening to If everyone in this thread set up an auto archiver for their oshi, even at 480p or audio-only, we'd easily avoid lost media
https://litter.catbox.moe/csipk4ol32vodpq3.ogg
>>111415257
>>111415921Essie is getting pimped what a weird way to bring that up
>>111415890Nta but thats not what he said
>>111405195any tinglers with cute eyebrows like kanna's last model?
>>111415994
>>111415735hey everyone, this guys never had his dick sucked by a man before. point and laugh
>>111415912some of the paywalled stuff is chungus to automate. like for Menace, it's so hard to justify scraping patreon with my credentials for the youtube link when i could just grab it manually.and then it's so much easier to grab the archive that she posts instead of recording live. until she suddenly doesn't post it.
>>111415994Also, Miwa.
>>111415994peow
>>111416057this chuuba is dead
>>111416057lol she ded
>>111415994>>111416059And this cat.
>>111415861>>111415669It goes deeper than thatall throughout history men are the uber autists perfecting a craft and women just get the textbooksriding, sewing, medicine, all pioneered by men
>>111415994actually kanna always had those eyerbrows>>111416022>>111416057>>111416059this cannot be a coincidence
>>111415161What language is that
>>111416073>>111416074
>>111416022wtf is this animal
>>111415994Panko
>>111408214problem?
꒰ Mio Mornings ꒱https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6gVeyNrP44(not asmr)
>>111415951it's not uncommon for nurses
>>111416131
>>111416150why is this beauty mad
you guys will tell me if Miwa pops back up somewhere right?
>>111416195no, I need you fuckers as far away as possible
>>111416210Miwa.......
>>111416210
I thought you guys should know, but I jerked off to ch4i's life changing streamI didnt even need to listen to her lewd audios or look at her leaked pics
>>111416195EN5 will be an ASMR only gen
>>111416282this but sunshinelollipops
>>111416282who could resist
>>111416313yeah and twitch based
>>111416282post the VOD's timestamp for when you came
>>111416313how does that work when holo en is a no asmr after the first year branch?
>>111415921Her doctor is so lucky.
>>111416331this whole part including the jump and other stuff afterwardshttps://youtu.be/TYQBxKSzz_A?t=8113
panda fox is sucking me dry
>>111416323kek
>>111416368men are so easy just jump naked into your bed with your ass out
kanna's hag voice is erotic
let’s be honest, most girls do asmr for numbers. they also do nsfw for money. there’s no girl who genuinely enjoys doing asmr back to back, nor a girl who enjoys selling herself online. it’s degrading to them. who really cares, just consume the content and move. if someone genuinely does enjoy creating lewd stuff on earplay….they need to be studied cause they are not sane desu
>>111415921Why does Essie and Mocha just keep talking about Saiken randomly nowadays??? They do it in a very roundabout way that makes it very obvious who theyre talking about and the fact that they hide it just pisses me off even more.
peni gtfo of my goon chat
Https://kick.com/chizuwhiz/
>>111416515Next you'll tell me they don't actually love me, and that none of them want to be my little whore sister who opens her legs for her 30-year-old big bro...
>>111416535Just stop watching they will notice the numbers, they always do.
>>111416515>they need to be studied cause they are not sane desuerm..
>ESL post>schizophrenic cuck fantasyevery time
>>111416515wrong they enjoy pleasing sensitive young ojisans like me
>>111416597sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t..
>>111416574anon-chama, please don't let him bait you
>>111416547huh did rui change models?
>>111416547>>111416638Rui Asaka? Is that her?
I'd pay $50 a month for Penisplay
>>111416638>>111416659yeah its her
>>111416708>rebrands to rename herself mac&cheeseamazing
>>111416708I love her voice. The other model had its charm cause the design and idea were cute, but this one is peak sexo.I wonder why she changed her name though.Also, is anybody gonna archive this? I would but I can't right now.>>111416721kek
>>111416721and big tits
Do you guys prefer "good boy" or "good girl"
>>111416777good girl because it's more rare
>>111416754Bamboosly will go crazy with this model.
>>111416547That looks ridiculous, tragic downgrade
