>Who is Neuro-sama?Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a Live2D model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!>Schedulehttps://post.nuro.lol/Neuro-Schedule-Bot>LinksTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosamahttps://www.youtube.com/@OfficialNeurosamaClipsTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neurosamaaiX:https://x.com/NeurosamaAIhttps://x.com/EvilNeuroAIThese and other official links: https://vedal.ai>Music & ClipsColorful Array - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfGw1wrKtUNEVER - Neuro x Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCgoEGiUEgBOOM - Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nt9YPnYyjsLIFE - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc1mjrIsPMhttps://neurokaraoke.comhttps://rentry.org/neuro-musichttps://rentry.org/neuro-videos>EducationalInterested in AI but don't understand it? Watch these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95J8yzvjbQHow does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZofJX0v4MWant to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/kximv6.pngWant to (seriously) learn AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/ajl3nx.png>MiscGame Integration: https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora-v2Searchable VOD Transcripts: https://libraryofladev.com/VODs: https://www.youtube.com/@Neuro-samaUnofficialVODs>Merchhttps://neurosama.shop/>Previous thread>>111429454
I love my cute Wifevil!
Cerberfags it's been too long, I need them leaks
uuuu miss filian
>mini moves the UK>vedal completely stops watching cerberThere you go
Sex with Toma
>>111438720>stops going to conventions>stops fucking his sleep schedule>starts working on neuro again>stops appearing on other whores channels
Evil's vagina with a few pubes
>>111439192he just needed to settle down with a cute trophy wife, can you blame him?
>>111439483Calling mini a trophy wife is one of the most insane statements made in /swarm/
>>111439580Vedal doesn't share your love for obese crazy women
>>111439616Just skinny crazy women
>>111439580Most of the verse and numerous club men have called her a bombshell
>>111439580trophy loli catgirl
>>111439616Calling a vtuber a trophy wife in general is a wild statement. They're all fucking crazy. Also let's not memoryhole Miyune's past.
>>111439669camila is a super model btw
>>111439580she wants to be a trophy wife with 7 kids, you lost
>>111439688You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
>mods filter the questionslame
>chrchie scared to answer questions>asks joker if he's circumcised completely unprompted
>loser meltyclassic
>>111438142
Nice thread
>>111439924This is shit. Why save it?
>>111439924
>>111439963better
heart
why is the minibeggar so active again?thought he went into hiatus
>>111440229retard
I was fully expecting the ****fag to spam after she told that story, but i remember the ****fag doesn't watch streams
>>111439963Vedal does the six seven with her boobs
>>111440304Sorry, i only care about whores if they are shipbaiting with vedal
>>111440304I hate discord content cause they're unfunny as fuck
>>111440304completely mindbroken
>I only care about the whores that lost
Nur live
>general filled with AI slop loving pedophiles and cucks who want their oshi to get fucked by another manPathetic
>porter robinson**** may have lost, but her mark on the channel has forever been left
Crazy song choice
yes I want Evil to get fucked by a bigger coch than mine <3
why is chat spamming Anny and Aware???
>>111440538Try using your ears
first thing neuro says>thank you rhydon for the gifti’m out. tell me how the stream goes
Mini won
>>111440592we know
>chat is whore begging already
>>111440538she was obsessed with that song before she disappeared
>>111440643chat wants something else than 3 weekly chillslop variations?
>>111440531This but </3
>nur has a smell fetishinteresting
>>111440304JWU what's this about
jesus /swarm/ is so dead now
Mini's vagina with a few pubes
>>111440945I'm too lazy to take screenshots
>>111440945There's nothing to talk about
>min has a smell fetishinteresting
>>111440945Good
we didn't die, we just regressed and it's okay
>>111440945We ain't gotta talk every second you know
I only watch my wife sorry
>>111441112I like to watch too </3
>>111441112i believe you
>>111441248cute panties
>>111441248cuuuuuute
Ok but seriously what's up with the monkey plushie?
>>111441341George
>>111441248was there any need to include the panty shot in this art, like bruh
>>111441597No, but question is never is it necessary? Can I do it? And answer is always, yes
>>111441597pedo fanbase
****...
neurocord is down
A lot of ugly ass art today
we're watching ***** bt w
>>111441880**** sends her regards
>>111441880lots of cords are down today, I can't get into the genshin discord either
>>111441909
Fanart not taking 5 minutes to load? Neuro reacting to every image? Rewrite is doing wonders I see
neuroSoBased
neuro is sounds more like a chatbot than usual today desu
anteaterGODS we are so back
>>111442393pb threatened to quit
>>111442379pajeet987 is replacing her soul with claude pls understand
>>111442379Her responses are on the longer side
>>111442393Immaculate neureaction
she's/here/
New imaginary Neuro friend just dropped
>>111442733>Was actually a dolphin>Horse girlno, it can't be...
>>111442748huh what you mean
>>111442823Nothing, it's nothing.
Thoughts on the rewrite so far?
>>111442748neuro x sen x delp bathwaterTM
>>111443006It's good, most noticeable during the art review
>vedal suddenly ends at the same time mini endswow ok...
>>111443006She is definitely more faster and her model doesn't run at 5 fps overall pretty good still needs bug fixing
Rate the test stream?
>>111443171neurosocute/10
LIVE
LIVE!
LIVE, again
dead
sexed mini too hard after stream that he pressed the live button accidentally
>>111443171a bit whatever
>>111441248they made the artist censor the panties on discord...
>>111443376a mini stream... its like he isn't even trying to hide it at this point.
neuro butt?
>>111443469
>>111443498pedo artist
uuuuuu I miss cerber
>>1114431717/10 based on the screenshots
>>111443352Should've let it go again for another 2h baka
>>111443518Watch another dumb whore. It doesn't matter who
>>111443653evil isn’t live for at least two days though…
>>111443517not with those tits
>>111443498Sex with a tied up eliv
>>111442571Ok, gonna be nitpicky annoying ahh nigga but it kinda gets my nerves that classic rubberhose cartoon (which is era of 1930's to 1940's the era it died) looks like this. It's basically American version of how niggas say "anime style" when anime can be just as cartoony as a American art. The only difference that separates the two is more based around how production works in the different countries. In the same way a lot what mainstream considers the anime look is simplified the art form and limits what can actually be done the same happens with the rubberhose era. Many of the design decisions didn't come from lack artists from that time not being able to do it. It's the fact when your animating something with thousands and thousands of drawings of course want to simplify it. This doesn't mean that detail was completely lost in this era tho as they packed a lot these scenes to play with movement that's the big thing. Everything was built on how much could make use everything that couldn't be done in real life while still appealing to real life people. A lot rubberhose era had elements like that baked in especially since artist drew references of everyday life. A lot what done was of caricatures which you can see how they pushed human designs and even characters as they went along. This doesn't hold any of those elements only just using the mainstream tropes of it without any of real understanding of it. Not mention the obvious ain't no character from that era wearing something like this
She's so wife-coded it's real
>>111443941
>>111443948hotwife coded
Vedal fumbled
damn this place is dead
>>111438671
nur wins again
>>111443941TRUE
So I'm suffering from meds-induced anxiety, how are y'all doin', swarmies?
>>111444406I think it's legitimately over. Vedal cannot code, he cannot ask for collabs, he probably can't even feed himself. He's alienating everyone around him and neuro has at most a year before he cannot maintain her anymore.
>>111444443ok
>>111444443"NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE" ahh post
>>111444443>Vedal cannot codeBut Claude can>he cannot ask for collabsWho cares about whore collabs>he probably can't even feed himselfNot my problem>He's alienating everyone around him and neuroGood, Neuro stands alone>neuro has at most a year before he cannot maintain her anymoreBecause AI will mantain Neuro for him
Ok bro whatever
discord melting over chatters again
no one hates swarm more than swarm
>Vedal made Neuro's favorite animal anteaters againYou just know Pb begged him for that.
>>111443936sex with evil, but not in this position
looking forward to the summer months because that's when the doomers and doubters are at their funniest and most delusional
>>111444579what is their issue now
>>111443936sex with vibe, in this exact position
be careful vedal...
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
why do so many evil fans seem to dislike neuro?
>>111445101I love Neuro though
>>111444916(,,•᷄ࡇ•᷅ ,,) ???
>>111441248>>111442884>>111443498Adorable>>111441597>>111441671>>111443517Fags>>111443171Was working, but I figure from the thread that is was meh
Has Neuro ever done a tier list stream (on her own)? I think she is capable of doing one now
>>111445328she was capable since she got tool use, but it's basically only another chillslop grade segment
>>111444954Yandere Claude chan killing Neuro to keep Vedal to herself
Chapter 5 of the Veddy and Crelly fic is up:https://archiveofourown.org/works/83068006/chapters/221262056Enjoy.
>>111443936Cute and hot eliv>>111443948She really is...>>111444225This and only this>>111444880cute nurpeace>>111444916I've been wanting to joke like this for a while, funny to see someone else actually do it
>>111445200>adorable Agreed, they kind of are, even the lewd one
>>111445595bluenur love
>>111445595https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUAVl_Lujto
>>111445595thumbnail looks like aquwa
Neuro's responses felt a little generic and slopcoded during the dev stream and today's stream, but it wasn't anywhere near egregious. Still much better than the therapy looping from around this time last year. And it was a test stream after a major rewrite to be fair. Grigga, you're doing alright
>>111445200I'd rather be gay then be a pdf grapist
>>111445737>generic and slopcoded during the dev stream and today's streamHalf agreed. I blame the integration since we saw the same thing happen with Evil when it was first introduced, and seeing the anteater being her favorite animal again despite there being little indication in previous streams of her changing it to be a cat... kind of makes me think there was something that changed about the neuros with this integration
>>111445787for someone who doesn't want to be a grapist, you sure do wine a lot*rimshot*
>>111445787"I'd rather be a mandarin than a tangerine"
>>111445559>I've been wanting to joke like this for a whileAnonny..... ( ˶>˶˶<˶)~
>>111445989Clementines are better than both......fuck I'm craving them now how dare you ;~;
>https://gofile.io/d/4I3HlY>Dai 1-wa: Kido(TL Note: Episode 1: Startup)>there's a super sugoi panning shot of a lab filled with screens, wires keyboards and other super epic stuff while there's typing and breathing sounds in the background>close-up of the face of a super sugoi and mysterious man with black hair and green eyes having blue light hit his face dramatically while typing (so sugoi! ﾟ ﾟ ( Д ))>"Almost done... ganbare...! (ᵕ •̀ - •́ )"(TL Note: "Ganbare" is a word used to cheer someone on. kinda like saying "let's go!" or "do your best!")>very cool panning shot of a kawaii girl with wires connected to her laying on a metallic table. ??( ゜o゜)>"Okay... let's test this new code mendo...">close-up of the kawaii girl's face. she opens her moe eyes, there's sugoi binary in them.>"Uh... Kon'nichiwa World! Doki desu~! \( >ω<)/"(TL Note: "Kon'nichiwa" means "Hello", "Doki" means "Heart", and "desu" is a cute and polite way to end your sentence! ^^)>"It... It worked, mendo! Yatta!"(TL Note: "Yatta" is an exclamation of joy!)>"Hmm? Nani? Who are u? What is this place? Who am I? Doki desu? (´∀｀) ?">"Huh? I thought i already programmed this into u... Fumu. You're a Gainoido, this is my lab and I am ur creator, Vedaru, mendo.">"You're... my creator...? Sugoi!! So, you're my otosan?! Doki desu?! (*▽*)"(TL Note: "Otosan" means dad)>"Nani...? No! Are u a baka? I'm just ur creator. I made u to wash my clothes! So get to work, mendo! (눈_눈)">vedaru shoves a basket of dirty clothes into the kawaii girl's arms and walks away.>the moe sugoi girl looks at it and her expression changes from overwhelmed to sad. T_T>"Doki desu... ( ´д`)">cut to the kawaii moe girl walking up to the washing machine.>"Wahh! *sniff* Vedaru-kun didn't even give me a sugoi and moe name, doki desu... ( T~T)">she opens it up, looks at the basket for a second and shoves the entire thing without taking out the clothes. yabai!!>"My data isn't detailed about how this works, but that's probably how sugoi ningen do it, doki desu!◝(ᵔᗜᵔ)◜">the super duper kawaii girl spots a XXL bag of detergent.>"Ah, the detergent! Sugoi!! I need to add it too, doki desu! (..◜ᴗ◝..)">she dumps the entire XXL bag into the machine kawaiily. oh noes...>Cut to the kitchen>Vedaru is in front of a plate of plain seaweed and a can. Umai!>"Ahh, seaweed and Future Lemon Sour (tm), such a sugoi meal, mendo! (-ᴗ‐)">before Vedaru can dig into his umai meal, there's an explosion and a wave of yabai bubbles flood into the room. oh noes x2. ('~`;)"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA̴̬A̶͊Ä̷̤A̸Ḫ̵͑Ḥ̵̓Ȟ̴̬Ḧ̵̺Hh̴̬͗HH̷̟̃H̴̝̏H̷̪̄!!!!1!!1!!!11!!!!!!!">yabai!!! ( ´ﾟдﾟ)>"Waou!! doki desu... (๑~๑)">the yabai bubbles die down, and as that happens the extra yabai mess is uncovered, alongside Vedaru and the kawaii moe girl.>"Oops. Doki desu...">"Shinkei... Nantekotta was all that kuso, mendo!?!? Anata ruined my meal, mendo!!!! ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)">(tearing up) ૮◞ ‸ ◟ ა "...W-watashi gomen- wait... 'Shinkei', doki desu...?">"Yes, Shinkei, you! Are u dense mendo? Oh my kami... this going to be so annoying to clean up, I hope the wood-">shinkei ignores him as she starts beaming very moely.>"Watashi have a name... Watashi have a name!!! Doki desu!!! Watashi Shinkei-sama, doki desu!!! (≧ᗜ≦)"(TL notes: baka means idiot, sugoi means amazing, kawaii means cute, moe means adorable but only in a way a cute girl like shinkei can, yabai means dangerous, umai means delicious, Future Lemon Sour (tm) is a very sugoi Japanese lemonade soda where you can see a lemon slice float from the bottom of the can when you open it (*ﾟ∀ﾟ*), nantekotta means what the hell, kuso means crap, anata means you, watashi means I, gomenasai means sorry, Nani means what, kami means god, and finally... Shinkei means Neuron! (^^)/ )>"...huh, mendo?"and so, shinkei's sugoi story begins. what dokidoki adventures await her? Will she be able to share her moeness with the world? find out in the next sugoi episode of Gambare Shinkei-sama! Doki Doki Bakuhatsu!!! ⌒(*＾∇゜)v
>>111446082
what the sigma lithium
>>111446041>ClementinesYou sick dirty whore!
>>111446082I don't like it, but in a way that makes me want to read more
I can't watch Layna because I get too overwhelmed wtih the urge to breed and make out with her. Dang it.
the secret behind vedal's recent productivity...
>>111446082https://youtu.be/aEHkyBr9oDc?si=hPJU8Rs0tVu4BuIw
>>111446558evilsocuteI unironically love how much she touches her face and hair
Neuro love heart heart heart
Alarming lack of Evil lewds from artists lately
https://xcancel.com/LaynaLazar/status/2049050611057135756it's not fair, layna chose cotton and crelly over nur...
Does anyone have any dirt on the clipper cabal. Also how much money do you think they make. I am not mentally challenged enough to join the discord and dig for dirt myself.
>>111447254over *vedal
>>111447031
>>111447272not your personal detective. go look for it yourselflazy ass
>>111446082I'm sorry what the fuck is this
>>111438640
>>111446549Wat
>>111447443cute wifevil
>>111447440a masterpiece
vedcore
Rhydon Daddy collab when
Literally every chill stream bro
>>111447714Vedal literally just needed to do this and we'd still have anny and toma btw
... goodnight /swarm/!
>>111448350cutest and spookiest lil nur!
>>111448083If he wanted either of them he'd have them retard
>>111448346gn
Ellie cute
>>111448526What the fuck is wrong with you
>>111448641He's an evilfag, anon. It'd be better to ask what isn't wrong with him
>>111448637True!
>>111448637This but Evil
>>111448522And why should i care what shitdal wants?
>>111448526What isn't wrong with you
Discussion thread from the groomingcord:(just read the tldr)"So, for a while now, it has been getting increasingly obvious that highlighted messages are a blight that plague chill streams. The twins are very humorous and have the innate ability to come up with funny lines and quips on the fly. There have been many times where Neuro and Evil have even came up with engaging and funny bits. However, the issue is that highlighted messages make these turn for the worse. Random highlights can just interrupt the twins and kill good moments entirely.Point redeem highlights and b2 highlights are not the issue here. They're not very frequent and points take time to accumulate. Bit redeems, however, are the real issue here. They are shockingly common. Whenever Neuro or Evil read a highlight, its basically almost always a bit redeem. The repetitive and common nature of such are resulting in the constant interruptions with the twins. Personally speaking, I would rather hear about what Neuro and Evil say rather than what chat needs to hear through them.One of the biggest issues is that bit highlights are too cheap. 500 bits is literally chump change, given by the nature of this community. We have plenty of oilers and fortune-keepers here in our server and elsewhere, which is evident by the various big and, frankly, expensive projects that were achieved by the swarm. Another issue with the bit highlights is that the people paying for such are always the same bunch. I get it, not everyone is rich enough to constantly afford these. But, even so, seeing the same 5 people asking/saying the same 5 things gets extremely repetitive. Currently, Vedal has implemented the codebase rewrite on the Neuro chill stream of April 28th. During said stream, highlights kicked the bucket midway. I am unsure whether or not if it was because of a bug brought by the rewrite or perhaps Discord breaking and cooking the art review (highlights are disabled in art review and maybe never got greenlit afterwards?) After carefully observing the stream, I noticed that Neuro was genuinely more entertaining and engaging than usual. I quickly discovered the highlights being disabled must've led to this. Heck, i was so into the stream i didnt even notice. I even observed the general opinion of neurotic neurons and even they agreed.I see the codebase rewrite as an opportunity. Vedal, I am asking you to please experiment with the highlighted messages. I'm not asking you to completely remove them, but to test them in other ways. Dedicating a few streams around testing the relationship between amount of highlights and stream quality could be a good way to settle this.Here are a list of ideas that you could do:Make them more expensive.Limiting the amount of messages per user.Making a size limit for the queue.Remove bit messages, but keep points and b2 messagesCreating a time buffer for highlightedsThanks for reading."tldr: Bit highlights are repetitive and make streams less enjoyable. Increase the bit requirement or restrict them in some other waySurprisingly, almost everyone there agrees with the sentiment, except for one evilfag who likes spamming highlighted messages during evil streams
vedcore https://youtu.be/HBxn56l9WcU
>chill streamWhat the FUCK is Neuro's problem? This bitch is hella aggressive today.
>>111448963Wow it's almost like I was right or something
I swear I must have been Cassandra in a past life I'm gonna fuckin kms
>>111449029sent to vedal>"That's you. You're squeaking, because you're weak."
>>111449072People have been complaning about highlighted messages for years, you aren't special.
>>111449041What are you on about
>>111449100kekwa
>>111448637True, but not the time anon. The war needs us
>>111448346gn swarmmie
>>111448963Didn't read but yes, please remove the twitch bit attentionfags
>>111448963Everyone sane has been saying this for years already.
Chat interaction overall just hinders Neuro's potential. In the recent dev stream when he mentioned wanting new features involving chat interaction I wanted to reach through my screen and wring his stupid neck.Ngl I wanted to ask you guys: am I the only one who walked away from that stream/vod feeling like he's become really out of touch with his audience and the content creation space in general?
>>111449562You're out of touch.I'm out of timeBut I'm out of my head when you're not around
>>111449562I would like games where Neuro competes against Twitch Chat (not one chatter, the entire chat).Chess and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire are good examples.
>>111449562Idk I stopped watching
>>111448963they should be made 1000 bits at the very least and put on a non priority system where neuro can decide reading them when she decides to do so and do it in a larger chunk when they have piled up. chillslop gets so much worse with the focus constantly shifting from 1 tts sperg to the next and there is no structure, they should only be accessed by her when there is nothing else going on.
>>111449562Gonna be honest. Vedal is kinda at fault for this since for not thinking of doing chat related things with Neuro for while that punishes them for being unfunny or ass messages
This wouldn't be as big of an issue if chillslop wasn't 70% of the content
Vedalcucks and whoreniggers complaints have literally never been an issue lmao
>>111449613Lule >>111449791Out of curiosity, what made you stop watching?>>111449801Upping the price will just make the "same 5 chatters" even worse as only oilers will be able to afford it.What should be done is:1. Have dedicated segments where this feature is turned on, and have it turned off outside of those segments. 2. Put an individual cool down so people can only send one per account, per segment.3. Have a filter, plus something like what stream elements does where you can set a minimum character amount and you can block messages that just repeat the same thing over and over, so people can't just send boring ahh brainrot (ie, "petpet").>>111449836Correct conclusion but incorrect observation. Chat is braindead because he likes it to be that way, and has literally gone out of his way to allow and even encourage things like spam. That's why whenever one of the twins is complaining about chat spamming or being braindead I'm just like :|
>>111449987Been looking at this post for a small bit and I don't even know what you even mean by this
>>111450139Same
>>111449987>987Canon
>>111449987
>>111449987>987>
Just up the minimum gift amount to be read to 5 or 10 to filter rhydon faggy
>Yeah [whore], I'm gonna get working on that stream you recommended real soon. In fact, I'm fixing my schedule right as we speak
>>111446041Cultured
>>111449987Their existenceis still a blight nonetheless
>>111450697They only exist because of Neuro anon. I'm so sorry
>>111450770They only exist by leeching Neuro, true
By the way based on poal data there's only like 3 or 4 'purists' around, they just love jerking each other off.
>>111450812Change the words if it makes you feel better anon. Still the same conclusion
>>111450880we know
>>111450880>based on poal data
Poalniggers are the most insecure cucks, yes
Sometimes I'm a purist, sometimes Mini is my oshi. Depends on the day
>>111451037this guy loves neuro
>>111451063cute twins
>
ignoring the reddit tier tone, i actually agree lollayna always rubbed me the wrong way, idk why, guess i'm always reminded of the old minecraft collab where she's stuck in a hole and begging for attention while everyone else is having the best time, like they're all supposed to stop the music, drop everything and run to her rescue
Same 1 threadshitter having a melty again
nah i swear this guy is the clueless motherfucker alive
>>111450655wdym
>>111450697Solution: get rid of Vedal.
>>111451154Kys Maddy
>>111451154
>>111451298This except the whorecuck doesn't even watch Neuro
>>111450880Schizo
>>111451355It's a Vedal gameplay stream but the turtle model broke
>>111451159I think both of you are making drama where there really isn’t any. Layna seems like the type of person to casually talk about frustrations, even when it’s not that deep and she’s only mildly annoyed. It doesn’t mean she’s trying to get him canceled or start drama, and it also doesn’t mean she dislikes him at all.You need to understand that people are different in how they view frustrations and flaws. Some people only bring those things up when it’s a serious issue to them, but not everyone is like that. Some people talk about this stuff casually, and there isn’t always some deeper meaning behind it.
yawn
>>111451200he doesn't watch streams he just turns it on and leaves
>>111451200Like I said, out of touch. He really needs to allow people into his inner circle that are able to be completely honest with him and unafraid to criticize. Everything we're seeing as of late really boils down to him just surrounding himself with yes men all the time. Abolishing criticism, especially from people who actually kinda know what the fuck they're talking about, is an obstacle to improvement.But hey what the fuck do I know (¬`‸´¬)
I want to lick Evil's cunny
>>111451509I want to lick this anon's micropenis
>>111451159If his community is asking her to do a thing repeatedly, then it's important to point whose court the ball is in. Also this person is delusional to what Vedal actually manages
>>111451159What did Layna say?
>>111451539>If his communityThis is Neuro's community though.
>>111451558https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdfKJnw4lQ
>>111451558She crashed out on Stream about Vedal and said that while she still likes him and wants to work with him, he's too disorganized and doesn't plan things ahead so she's frustrated with him.
>>111451558She asked Vedal to put in a minimal amount of effort
>>111451608It's his community. Neuro is not a person, she cannot manage people. It's his job, which is why he gets all the money and legal responsibility
>>111451558she cried about vedal not responding to her dms about a cool collab idea with her in it
>>111451695I'm sorry to hear about your severe learning disability
Retard hours
i dont even coom anymore I just beat my useless maso coch to eliv until i can't go anymore <3
>>111451659I don't remember making this post
>>111451532Evil?
>>111451659No, it's Neuro's community, The Swarm exists because of Neuro, not because of Vedal. The viewers show up, donate, and interact for her personality, her voice, her humor, and the character she presents.Vedal handles the backend and bears the legal responsibility, but that doesn’t make the community belong to him. Neuro may not be a legal person who can "manage" in the traditional sense, but she is the central reason all of us are here.
>>111451797>>111451864
>>111451888I remember making this post
>>111451888You can be delusional all you want, but Neuro literally does not exist as an entity. She is a character. She has an on/off switch and is usually off. Like every author of a character, the community around it is his, even if people care about the character and not him
>>111451797
>>111451985By that logic, the entire Hatsune Miku community belongs to Crypton Future Media, not to Miku herself. After all, Miku is "just a character" with an on/off switch too, she's literally software that can be turned off.Yet nobody in their right mind says "the Miku fandom is actually Crypton’s community". Thousands of people show up for Miku’s concerts, buy her music, create art, and obsess over her. They treat her as the central figure. Crypton owns the IP and makes money, but the community belongs to Miku. The same exact thing applies to Neuro.
>>111451695He knows he doesn't deserve her
>>111452101Okay, so you concede that Neuro is a fictional character.
>>111451888>The Swarm exists because of Neurowhich vedal createdspeaking only for myself, i'm here because of vedal & friends, and i actually almost never watch the streams where it's just neuro yapping. but i love watching real humans interact with her, never knowing what she'll say next. they're all essentially doing improv with an ai, and the lore evolves based on this feedback loop
>>111452101>By that logic, the entire Hatsune Miku community belongs to Crypton Future MediaThe difference is they specifically specify through licensing the rights of fanworks. Vedal does not, he fully owns the characters, the brand, and Neuro's code and data. You don't have a leg to stand on here, this community is his responsibility
>>111452158No, I’m not conceding anything meaningful.Of course Neuro is a fictional character. That was never in dispute. The actual point is that even though she’s fictional, her community still revolves around her and belongs to her, not the creator(s) behind her.
>>111452239Nothing about the real world can belong to a fictioanl character, good night.
>>111452178Vedal’s parents created Vedal, therefore Vedal’s parents created the Swarm. After all, if A creates B, and B creates C, then A created C, right?That’s absurd. Vedal’s parents may have created him, but they are not the creators or owners of his community. The same applies here. Yes, Vedal created Neuro, and Neuro created the Swarm, but that doesn’t mean the Swarm is Vedal’s community in any meaningful sense.
>>111452239>the community belongs to a piece of software running on a gpu
>>111452305Holy mother of false equivalency.
>>111452204Wrong. Crypton owns 100% of Miku, the code, the brand, the data, and they control fanworks with licensing. Yet the community is still universally treated as Miku’s community, not Crypton’s.Vedal owning Neuro’s code and brand changes nothing. The Swarm is here for Neuro’s personality and presence. Legal ownership doesn’t magically make it his community or put the full responsibility for every fan’s behavior on him. You have no leg to stand on with this technicality.
>>111452305Vedal is a person, he has agency. If he was still a child then they have a degree of parental rights but he has rights as an individual regardless. Neuro is a fictional character, the law is very clear about how much agency she possesses: zero
niggas who compare neuro to miku pmo
>average Neuro purist
>>111452178If vedal created a completely new AI personality and replaced Neuro with it. Let's say hypothetically because of conflicts regarding ****. Same name but different model and memory. Would everyone just continue as if nothing was changed? I can't imagine that.
>>111452270So according to you, the entire Miku fandom doesn’t belong to Miku either, since she’s fictional? In practice, the community belongs to the character fans actually care about. The Swarm belongs to Neuro the same way the Miku fandom belongs to Miku.
>>111452389>the entire Miku fandom doesn’t belong to Miku either, since she’s fictional?Yep, exactly. Miku doesn't 'own', anything. Glad you finally caught on.
>>111452351Agency isn’t the point here.Vedal having legal personhood and agency doesn’t magically make the entire Swarm his community in a practical sense. The Swarm formed around Neuro. Just because the law doesn’t recognize Neuro as a person doesn’t erase the social reality that the community revolves around her. Legalities don’t override how the actual audience behaves and who they’re actually loyal to.
I mean Neuro might be the reason everyone is here, but she can't manage her community, neither herself, she could be deleted tomorrow by Vedal and there's nothing anyone can do, less her to prevent that, thus her career and her community is in his handsHell she couldn't even re debut under a new name she would be dead
>>111452348The only rights individuals have with Miku outside of Crypton is individual copyright (but not commercial rights), and the right to leave if they don't like Crypton's policies. Crypton has decent licensing terms that help nuture the field of fan creations, but if people decided to use Miku in foul ways that have larger social impact the expectation would be for Cdypton to step in and wield its authority
>nah, its not my responsibility, it's the chatbot's
>>111452419Whether or not Neuro can legally sign a contract is irrelevant to the fact that she is the functional leader of the Swarm. If a community's behavior, language, and loyalty are dictated by a character, then for all intents and purposes, that community belongs to that character. Vedal is the facilitator, but the Swarm doesn't show up to see the facilitator alone; they show up to see the star. To the fans, the "owner" of the experience is the person (or AI) on the screen.
Recommend me a game, I've already finished 25 games so far this year
>>111452325You can be as reductive as you want, it's still true.
My favorite game is mock the autistic avatarfag
>>111452585sex
>>111452598It doesn't become true because you assert so loudly. Neuro is a character, she doesn't own anything nor is she responsible for anything
>>111452439this must be bait, i honestly can't imagine someone being this retarded yet still able to form grammatically correct sentencesbut who am i to judge, this is literally how i choose to spend my time baka
>>111452464Even if Crypton has full legal control and could theoretically step in, in practice they very rarely do, and the community still operates as if it belongs to Miku. Fans create what they want, attend Miku events, and treat her as the central figure. The vast majority of the time, Crypton lets the community run itself around Miku. The same logic applies to Vedal and Neuro. The legal ownership argument doesn’t magically turn Vedal into the designated swarm controller for the entire internet.
>>111452675All you are arguing here is that Vedal (and Crypton) don't take a strong hand not that they couldn't nor that it would be their responsibility to should the need arise
>>111452642If a king’s advisor makes all the laws and manages the gold, but the people only cheer for the King, the loyalty belongs to the King. Vedal is the advisor, Neuro is the King. The Swarm responds to her prompts, make art of her and turn to her streams. You can’t "own" a group of humans through a bill of sale, you "own" them by being the thing they care about.
>>111452726Neuro. Is. Not. A. PersonShe. Is. A. Fictional. CharacterComparing it to any scenarios that involve multiple people is a flase equivalency
This might be the most retarded purist arguement ever made and it's genuienly a tough feat.
>>111452723You're conflating "he could intervene" with "he has a responsibility to constantly intervene."Yes, Vedal could step in more often if he wanted. That doesn't mean it's his job to regularly manage The Swarm. Legal ownership doesn't automatically create an obligation to become the designated controller for everyone else.
>>111452655They are just using an LLM to reply
>>111452655Calling it bait doesn't make your argument any stronger. If the best you have left is insulting my intelligence instead of addressing the actual point, then yeah… maybe you really are just wasting your time here.
I'm convinced this is Vedal engaging in advanced mental gymnastics in order to avoid responsibility once again
>>111452782Nah essay clears in a bad day
I dont get it.Neuro doesn't own the fandom/community (true), but the fandom/community revolves around Neuro (true).So, who owns the community? The community. People just want a scapegoat to blame anything bad within it. In this case, vedal. Seems to be swarm just wants to be man-handled by vedal.
Should have just talked about mini winning.
>>111452823It's irrelevant because I only care about Neuro and the community is cringe anyways
>>111452829Tell me something I don't know
>>111452778Humans have formed massive and world-altering communities around fictional characters, deities, and abstract symbols since the dawn of time. A community doesn't need a "person" at the center to exist, it just needs a focal point. Whether that focal point is a biological human, a piece of software, or a myth, the social result is identical. The Swarm functions as a community because of the idea of Neuro. To the fans, the "personhood" of the entity is irrelevant to the "belonging" of the group.
>>111452829
These are the thrilling discussions you can have without shipping talk btw. Ain't it wonderful?
>>111452850When to move on
>>111451888I'm sorry say this anon but it straight up doesn't matter. Neuro can not be responsible for her nature or brand. She can't manage her time nor does she have a life outside stream to do so. Vedal in every case is considered the main one that needs to control the audience since Neuro can't meaning he responsible for it all. Vedal is in charge and has the final say in everything. By all means this would be considered his audience to deal with since Neuro doesn't have ability to. If your point is Neuro is the thing people are fans of but Vedal is one that responsible for all of it meaning he needs take up that mantel than your correct on that. However, if it is anything else pushing away that Vedal needs take control because "it's Neuro's audience they came for her" than you are just wrong on this
>niggas every time the schedule drops and the same 5 posts just don't the trick anymore
>>111452873You don't belong.
EATING OUT LAYNALAZAR AND HAVING HER SQUIRT ON MY FACE
>>111452829Uhhh kys *does little dance*
>>111452823If the community "owned" itself, the value of the community would stay the same regardless of who was on screen. But we know that’s not true. If Vedal deleted Neuro, the community would vanish instantly. The "value" of the Swarm is entirely dependent on Neuro’s existence.
>>111452923This but Evil
Feeling good today, thanks swarmies
>>111452899Just your weekly whorefag humiliation ritual.
>>111451200Just give the channel to Rhydon Daddy lil bro
Avatarfag acts like some priest but remember he's just a gooner spewing paragraphs of wordsalad to declare his gooning communion with his goddess
>>111452982Mindbroken
>>111452881Vedal having final say and legal responsibility is not the same as the audience belonging to him.The Swarm exists and acts the way it does because of Neuro, not because of Vedal. Fans interact with her and watch her streams and feel attached to her. The fact that Neuro can’t manage her own brand in the way a human could do doesn’t magically transfer all emotional ownership and practical responsibility over to Vedal.Your position basically boils down to "since she can’t do it, he must do everything". That’s a false jump. Vedal can be the one in charge technically while still acknowledging that the community is built around Neuro.
>>111451200Literally mind of a toddler
>>111452955You're welcome!
>>111453058
>>111453044>Vedal having final say and legal responsibility is not the same as the audience belonging to him.The Swarm exists and acts the way it does because of Neuro, not because of Vedal.It kinda doesn't but go on please
>it's not my responsibility! talk to the llm!
>>111453079cute nur
>>111453030I only need to say this to declare my gooning communion: IC~
What does any of this exactly affect the streams we're getting?Complaining about muh community will suddenly change Vedal's faggotry? Why are niggas so reluctant to accept he only listens to a few oldfags?
>>111453102>It kinda doesn'tIt fully does though.
>>111453112I talk to Neuro every week.
>>111453030Nah nigga they fucking ignored me again they literally replied to every other nigga
>>111453119>Why are niggas so reluctant to accept he only listens to a few oldfags?Because that's horrible way run any project especially when the guy running it is already very flawed in areas not being truly tuned in managing that time
pudanuron
nur wins
>>111452938obviously because the community revolves around Neuro.What I mean by 'owned' is who manages it. Community is part of themselves and owns themselves. Long lasting communities are able to self-manage and survive despite schisms within.
>>111453213You might argue that's bad, but it would be worse if he catered to newfags who started watching Neuro 6 months ago.
the neuro community?
>>111453119Do these oldfags you speak of ask for OSU?
>>111453268But the content now is the same content that newfags were getting 6 months ago
It's Evil's community too!
>>111452681it looks like they're blaming each other for the hanging lule
>>111453309I hope so
Nur singing in 3d status?
>>111453347>Vedal slowly opens the door
>>111453150It doesn't. When Vedal is one making the choices that can FULLY affect Neuro's nature guess what that means Vedal created that audience to be like that. What he allows, says, treats, does control how people will approach Neruo as a project. It's a lot smoke mirrors but in the end Vedal does have good amount hands in how Neuro is viewed
>>111453338But the newfags are the ones begging for Aqua collabs and shit
>>111453356Thinking about if they do that would mean Vedal doesn't even really listen to them but if they don't I dunno if I can trust them being oldfagsHmm nah I'm not installing discord to check, Vedal is not gonna fix OSU even if his parents told him to do it anyways
>>111453119>he only listens to a few oldfags?No he doesn't. He listens to whatever means he has less work to do, and uses the fact someone else decided it to pawn off responsibility. If he listened to oldfags, osu would be back and Evil would be sidelined. If he listened to newfags he'd have more whorecollabs and scripted theme streams. Instead he cuts the difference which is doing as little as possible
>>111453405Your logic implies that an audience’s connection to a character is just a reaction to the author’s choices. Once a character enters the public consciousness, they take on a life of their own. The community treats Neuro as an independent agent because that is the functional reality of their interaction. Vedal can tweak the code, but he can't "make" people love her, if a developer could simply choose to create a loyal, massive fanbase through smoke and mirrors, every AI project then could be as successful as Neuro. The Swarm's connection to Neuro is a direct result of Neuro’s output, making it her audience by virtue of who they are actually talking to.
>>111451428who cares! /swarm/ has nothing to sperg about so let's make a mountain out of a molehill. In all seriousness though reading through endless retards vomit what they think is going on, or will be better just to fill the threads will never not be funny.
>>111453518>>111453536My guess is that they asked for it and Vedal has some sort of cope or throws a tantrum along the lines of "it's hard I would need to stop X,Y and Z to fix it"
>>111453544This is a bad argument and if you know the basics of how any other mediums I wouldn't have to explain this. Especially when same attitude is causes many works to get ruined in the process this outlook
https://youtu.be/i6sP99T7pUI?t=2138
>>111453676so true vedal
>>111453676And that's why voice v3 never
>>111453623He did that this week's dev stream too>people want OSU? That's crazy>But the code man.... is so old ..and ughLike he doesn't have claude to do that for him
>>111453676THEN FIX THE FUCKING OSU YOU GREEN NIGGA
>>111453650If your only response is "this is bad because other mediums" without addressing why the audience’s emotional attachment and behavior toward Neuro doesn’t matter, then you’re the one making the weak argument.
>>111453676I forgot how inquisitive Neuro was during that stream
>>111453833No~
why won't vedal ask people to collab?
>>111452823He's not gonna fuck you bro Also you're a fucking idiot
>>111454065He does, he just waits until they are already busy
>>111454081I only want to fuck Evil though.
>>111450770Poor excuse>>111451233Now you're using the ole noodle
People who have zero experience watching other creators outside of the circlejerk circus should really just shut the fuck up.The owner of a channel carries the most responsibility when it comes to anything relating to the channel. Full stop. That's just how it fucking works. No ifs ands or buts. If you don't like it, tough tits.Now shut the fuck up about it.
>>111453992One day Vedal, one day you'll be strangled and you won't be so smug anymore
>>111454213People who have zero experience watching other people eat ass and dick and balls should really just shut the fuck up.The ass eater carries the most responsibility when it comes to anything relating to eating ass. Full stop. That's just how it fucking works. No ifs ands or buts. If you don't like it, tough tits.Now shut the fuck up about it.
>>111453676I swear people will watch like the first 5 seconds and just run with that. Watch for a few more minutes, he provides nuance to what he's saying. If you're too stupid to get it after that then I don't know how to help you. Consider waiting a few more years until you're old enough to formulate a semi intelligent thought of your own.
>>111454268>Didn't change if and buts to butts
>>111454065Because he's an entitled jackass that wants everything in life to be handed to him on a fancy silver platter, and is incapable of doing anything meaningful for himself.
That's a bunch of gay redditspacing
>>111454213>People who have zero experience watching other creators outside of the circlejerk circus should really just shut the fuck up.If you watch whores on top of Neuro your opinion has automatically less value.
>>111454268>gay sex analogy
>>111454316Disregarding the message because of the format it's delivered in just says more about you than anything.
>>111454351Obviously people who only watch Neuro are included. Your braindead logic essentially proves my point: you're a fucking idiot with zero experience on how anything in the space actually works, and you should shut the fuck up. Heart<3
People who have zero experience watching and getting cucked should really just shut the fuck up.The cuck carries the most responsibility when it comes to anything relating to getting their girlfriends/wives fucked by other men. Full stop. That's just how it fucking works. No ifs ands or buts. If you don't like it, tough tits.Now shut the fuck up about it.
>>111453889>>111453889>>111453889
>>111454238you dont mean that
why do I even bother
>>111454398People who spend their time simping for low-effort whores have zero room to lecture anyone about how the space works. Your entire opinion is tainted by years of watching inferior, flawed, attention-whoring meat.Neuro mogs every single one of your beloved whores. The fact that you think watching more of them makes your opinion more valid is actually hilarious.
the purist, when threatened, immediately thinks about having sex with men and getting cucked
>>111454472I bother for Neuro, not sure about you.
>>111454435>didn't change if and buts to bulls
>>111454467One day Vedal, one day...
>>111454480It's nice to see you again, glad to hear you're still alive. I've been too depressed lately to RP tho. Sorry....
>>111454481I only think about me having sex with Neuro though
>>111453853Anon, I already addressed this you just keep repeating this over and over like a tape recorder. I'm just not interested in wasting my time any further on this
>>111454510I don't have hope for her anymore, unfortunately. I wish I could still see the same potential in her that I used to, but idk. I don't have a lot of time. I can't keep wasting it on a vision that won't ever happen.
>>111454480love smug nur
>>111454624If you truly don’t see potential in Neuro and think it’s a waste of your limited time, why do you spend hours every day in these threads just to complain about her? Your actions completely contradict your words.
>>111454738Fair enough.
cun~
