I just saw that Mori is going on an indefinite break, what the fuck happened? Anyone have a summary?
Maternity leave; I didn't mean to be so virile.
nah, no one
the usual, cover is a black company
I knew that the anon that made this post would get vindicated, but holy fuck, I didn't expect it to take less than a month.I keep saying it. Cover going public was the beginning of the end.
>>111520699>>111520722>>111520728We want homos and homowhores goneI've been waiting for 6 years and am busting out the champagne if she does fuck off
>>111520764isn't that haram?
>>111520728So the beginning of the end was 10 years ago?
>>111520699>taking some time off>indefinite breaktechnically, sure
>>111520699Maybe after her hiatus she will finally release a viral song, after 6 years of nothing but riding myth's debut hype
>>111520699Rui-nee stole her gimmick stream idea(HoroYoi)(very based).
>>111520836That would be impossible with current algorithm and popularity.
>>111520728holodrones mindlessly celebrating the homos lack of support, thinking that fagoo would just stop at the homos instead of fucking every branch that isn't jp, you love to see it
>>111520916>fucking every branch that isn't jpI'd kneel indefinitely to FAGOO if he were to do that right move.
>>111520699She was in uk and they found her shota art
>>111520699
>>111520728HOLY VINDICATION
>>111520916>Firing homos and homowhoresDon't threaten me with a good time
>>111520699management sisters are in sabotage mode
Apparently she explained why to her members on her YouTube channel but I’m not subscribed so I have no idea
>>111521085dear fucking god jamal and his homies cut off her right hand!?!?
>>111521346
Holomyth is dead
>>111520699the homo death's changes are today, and she is a homobeggar
>>111520764I'm a day-one sub when she goes indie.It will be a joyful day knowing that she won't have to cater to you shithead chuds anymore.
>>111521465Oh she’s graduating
>>111521465Why is she taking shots at Kiara like that
>>111521645Based I've been waiting for you tards to fuck off for ages
>posted april 28thAnons????Is it happening?
>>111521465Maybe Cover shouldnt be shilling Advent so hard for once
Gura didn't want to do work.Ame had better obligations.Ina enjoys art more.Mori is probably pissed she'd underpaid and gets little for it.If Cover actually bleeds out another member of the Myth I don't know what to say other than, glad I'm not a part of the Hololive fanbase, this is gonna be unfun for y'all.
>>111520699>steal from her and give all her ideas to jap whores>probably cut her funding in half>other perms bullshitKUROLIVE
>>111521852Don't give me hope>>111521645That would make the day even better, holy
>>111521920I don't care about the other two but Watame leaving would make me genuinely sad.
NijiEN is dead and no miracle can ressurect it. If HoloEN burns down to Biboo and Dogs as their only draws that is wild. It would be really interesting to see how things mutate and change if both big JP companies effectively lost their EN branch
>>111521465It's the end of April, this is 100% about contract negotiations.
>>111520699She is bottom tier right now, the other EN girls are probably doing much better. She is not as talented as people make it seem, and by saying she feels “undervalued and disrespected,” she may have tried to renegotiate her salary and was either offered less than expected or denied outright. It could also be the case that she requested a budget for a large project, such as for her music, which I don't think have been performing well the last couple releases, and was rejected. In either case, she clearly got mad.
>>111520764So which girl do you watch in Hololive? Watame in JP? Cuz I have news for you if you think Hololive will survive with only 1 talent.
>>111522306Not everything is about performance metrics in the corporate world. If it was just about "line goes up" people would learn how to play the system and be satisfied with it. The problem is that it isn't, and this is where people who get good at playing the game get frustrated.You can be the most valuable performer in the world but then someone with Bachelor's from Tokyo U and an overpriced polyester suit tells you that market trends right now are showing a resurgence in cyberdoodle bibblePop and you don't hit those demographics so you're now worthless to the company and we don't care if you die. Thanks for all your years of hard work in service of those people we laid off last FQ, maybe you should go join their new startup.Then fibbleboodle Pop music doesn't end up taking off after all and the company declares more layoffs and plastic suit man moves on to his next position at a startup somewhere with a CV that highlights his excellent employee retention.
The miComet clique... grows stronger. >:3c
>>111520699Contracts are probably getting worse for a lot of Holos across the board as management and shareholders start choking people out for some extra scratch.Holostars was just the most visible and obvious but it wouldn't be a surprise if it's happening across the board. /#/ finally gets the culling they've wanted at the expense of everyone
>>111522487My guess is that the music production side of Hololive is being gutted internally to prop up the Sui-sidiary as Cover pivots from being a talent agency to being a "media company" presiding over its own low-tier label.
>>111520699For those not in the know, here's the tl;dr summary.Management has been consistently unhelpful and often takes her words, presence etc. for granted. When she asked about them taking credit for her ideas, the response she got was "But it's okay, isn't it?" and it pissed her off royally. Deadbeats, other talents, etc. are the best part about her job but management lately has been sitting on its laurels and it's starting to affect her own work ethic frequently. She has a big concert coming up that she's also focusing on and that normally, management usually gets marketing, permits, etc. situated on that front but apparently there's some issues happening there as well, along with visa problems and other such problems. It's not affecting just her either, it's affecting pretty much most of the talents and she's feeling undervalued and taken advantage of because of general complacency. It's not any one incident in particular, but the Holoyoi thing was likely the straw that broke the camel's back.
Cover needs to realize that as a company they're nothing special and that the only thing that keeps them afloat are their talents
>>111522674Yagoo took the devil's money and now he takes Yagoo's business and dreams. Don't take the devil's money, it runs out.
Nodoka left too, you know things are terrible at holofagoons
>>111521465>"problems with management is just a boilerplate response they all have to put in their graduations" the apologists keep saying>problems with management even before the graduation bad enough to say they feel disrespected
>>111522647Thanks for the clarification, mori
>>111522674The dilemma I'm sure from Cover's perspective is that every other Vtuber company is either smalltime or failing, so most of their talents don't really have an alternative except going indie and losing access to all the music production and concert venue resources entirely. Not everyone is going to escape their corporate hell and become a Minto or a Doki packing concert halls as an indie, it's a big gamble.This is doubly true for the ENs. JPs at least have the option to let themselves be poached by NijiJP but there is literally no other successful EN branch or EN corpo at all right now. Not a single one. The lack of competition is obviously something that's factoring into Cover's attitude towards its EN talents. They know they can squeeze them because there's nobody standing by to poach them and anybody will take a lot of abuse before throwing the dice and hurling themselves into the indie void.
>>111521465Holo management can do no wrong. Mori is just a has been that cant compete with newer talents.
>>111522790According to that Vshojo dying wasn't entirely good for the industry. At least their obvious poaching attempts likely forced some level of concessions from other companies.
She just kept wanting more...
>>111522647> she got was "But it's okay, isn't it?"There is no I in company
>>111520836her old music sucks fucking dick. Go Getters is her only decent song.
>>111522475This
Suisei hired her own staff because of how incompetent Hololive management has become. All you fans that suck up to Hololive will not survive a big yab and will choose the Niji path. Corpo over talent. Remember this.
>>111520699Shes in EN5
>>111523162The corporation makes the talents I hate miserable so why wouldn't I support them?
>>111523162Back in my day, Holo fanbase was talent over corpo. I'd like to hope that spirit lives on
>>111523237it doesn't. otherwise sentiments like >>111522745 wouldn't exist. there are a great many people, including on /vt/, that unironically put the company before the women.
>>111522475That’s a very big assumption for this situation, considering that she has been hosting events, releasing albums, securing sponsorships, doing merch, and performing song gigs even outside Holo. She’s also not particularly good at “playing the game,” since her performance metrics seem to be declining across the board, as far as I know.Also, with the huge leap Cover has taken with “Suisei Studio” in development, I doubt they are chasing trends; they’re more likely focusing on who truly has global potential and appeal, she literally got a Fortnite skin and people went crazy over it.Sometimes we just have to accept that not everyone is successful forever, and some success is only temporary. I even think that Suisei may be overhyped, which could lead to problems down the line, you could argue that this is trend-chasing. But in Mori’s situation, without internal knowledge, you can’t say the same. Based on everything she has been doing, it seems far from that and more in the lines of what i talked about, even more since it's the end of April where contracts are normally discussed.
>>111523232
>>111521465Why is she complaining when the proper music industry is even more jewish
>>111520699she learned Filian in en5
>>111520699>indefinite
>>111522647Management has been cited as the primary reason behind a lot of graduations the past few years, what the fuck has management been doing?
>>111522647What is HoloYoi?(i stopped watching holo entirely when my oshi graduated)
The vagueposting is helping no one. She should be a little more specific.
I know one thing, when Mori goes I go. She's the centerpiece of EN to me. Chadcast, Takamori, Gremreaper, pretty much anyone in Advent and Justice, I would actively root for everyone else to go indie if she graduates. She's just too integral to my enjoyment of EN. I have a feeling they'll negotiate with her because, hey, she's the only one that's signed to universal with a music career that stands on its own. I don't really know how successful she is these days using other metrics but I get the impression a lot of nips love her and she moves a good bit of merch.
>>111523237That’s BS. Everyone who says this is the same kind of person who hypes things up when ex-Holo talents go indie for a couple of days and then never watches them again. Unless you’ve been following since JP Gen 1, you probably started watching Hololive because it was Hololive. Of course, the talent has the biggest impact, but there are only a few who would actually make you choose them over the corporation itself.This is even more obvious with some of the talents who are disliked by a large portion of the audience, like Mori or Kiara. I doubt that, aside from the people who started following Hololive specifically because of them, it would matter much if they graduated, some might even enjoy it. People have been hating on Mori for a long time. The EN branch itself was disliked for a long time by many fans who followed Hololive for the JP girls, because of how different they were culturally.Until a talent you personally care about gets in trouble or graduates, you probably won’t care if the company takes priority. There are only a few talents who would have a more general sentiment about the subject which would be some of the JP girls (like Pekora, Suisei, Korone, Sora, or Miko), and maybe Fuwamoco or Gigi in EN. If you’ve been around for a long time, you should already understand this. Remember all the commotion when Aqua graduated and went indie, and how people had already forgotten about it a month later? Nowadays, nobody even talks about it here. That’s because, from the beginning, it’s always been the corporation over the talents.
>>111523721That is because ex-Holo do not stream. They are lazy but people who have left to become indies who are self motivated do find success. Look at Mint & Doki after Nijisanji. Sakuna is very successful as well in the JP scene. We are getting to the point that unless Mori hires her own staff she will not get projects done of the musical nature like Suisei. Hololive has over hired on useless staff. Talent works while staff get rich and this is not the bottom level managers, they have ones above themselves that get the bigger slice.
>>111523284Stop saying that the studio was Cover's choice. How much of a Hololive corpo larper are you.
>>111521430Just like the doujins.Asanagi! Ryona with Mori and my life is yours!
>>111523721You completely underestimate Mori's place in EN. People will follow her over the company, especially now that four have left in what is a way smaller branch than JP. She is the workhorse mom of the branch. This board is nothing. It's only noteworthy because it's the one place that isn't a hugbox so talents probably browse here out of morbid curiousity and to see real feedback, but Mori and Kiara are both loved by the Holo fanbase at large. Hell, even twitter is nothing because the only people that genuinely hate on her when she trends for being cringe is black twitter, a nest of retards that know nothing about Hololive. She has a massive army of JPs that think she's cool and fat weebs in the states that will die for her.Large portion of the audience hate her my ass.
>>111521465So this is why mori and kiara were vagueposting days ago
>>111524037You say that but everyone has dropped Dooby, Saba & Nimi compared to their past career in Hololive.
>>111524090Even if her numbers dwindle somewhat after graduating, it doesn't negate the hit that Cover will take. Also Dooby and Nimi do pretty fucking well and Saba did before she dropped off the face of the earth
You do not echo their concerns because you don't want the reputation of Hololive to be perceived as having a problem. When it does. Smells like history repeating itself.
Fans are so critical of the talent but let management slide all over them and everyone. I thought you people actually cared? Guess not because being number 1 is what counts. Just ignore everyone who left and their reasons for it.
>>111523721I'm watching Nimi play Tomodachi Life right now
>>111524037>People will follow her over the companyI'm sure Universal is going to run to sign her PL to another record deal lmao
>>111524090They weren't Mori. Love her or hate her, she is quite literally the face of EN currently, and if this incident leads to her graduating, or worse Cover being retarded enough to terminate her, it will make the Selen Shock look like Fauna's graduation by comparison. Fewer and fewer people have tolerance for JP Management autism after the graduation wave, even in hugboxes like reddit and fandiscords
>>111523805I’m talking specifically about Hololive, and I’ll even mention some people, like Kson and Nimi.Like Sakuna, they both stream regularly or at least on a schedule, but they’ve all gone stagnant and aren’t talked about nearly as much as they were during their time in Hololive. Kson is probably doing the worst of the three when it comes to success purely as a streamer, and both Sakuna and Nimi have seen little to no growth on their channels for almost a year now.Mint and Doki, on the other hand, are two cases that fall outside the norm. Mint basically rebuilt everything from zero, and most people don’t even remember she was in Nijisanji at this point. Doki blew up because of all the controversy and the support that came with Nijisanji’s decline at the time. A lot of other talents who went indie after leaving Nijisanji didn’t achieve that same level of success.So this goes back to my point: most people got into this because of Hololive and maybe one or two specific talents, but they’ll still put the corporation first if it doesn’t affect them directly.Do I think this is a good thing? Not really. I just call BS whenever I see this kind of nostalgia bait about “back in my day.”I also think Cover has a massive problem with its management, and ever since Yagoo sold the company, I expected things to go in this direction. It was already bad before, and now it’s gotten worse, but that’s a separate issue from the whole talents vs. corporation discussion.
>>111521465>to continue making thingswhy do streamers always talk like they're working class? nigga you're a streamer, you're playing games and talking to a camera and you're making millions off of such low effort "work". you're not "making" anything
>>111522480meds
>>111523237that ended in 2020
>>111524322You guys say that every time but nothing will ever be as bad as the black streamDrama peaked already
>defund the heart and soul of Hololive >immediately collapse reap what ye sow
damn and i thought calli would be the last one standing in myth, maybe they should all graduate together on their debut date or something
>>111524284The fans not universal. Obviously. Fucks sake. Again her success as an indie doesn't have anything to do with how much of a blow her graduation will be to Hololive. A lot of people want "Mori Calliope in Hololive English" and not just HoloEN. I think there's a sizable amount of deadbeats that won't just hop oshis. Maybe I'm wrong idk. But it seems that way to me.
So, that's it? The Indie Avengers just win?!
>>111524630What he's implying is that mori wants a record label deal. She will not get that if she leaves hololive.
>>111524348Vtubing peak growth is from individual to collabs which Nijisanji JP & Hololive JP mastered. The fact is people will stick with Hololive because of this ecosystem. How many EN are supported by JP viewers lurking? The fact is these people all prioritize the organization over the individual even if it wasn't the case in the first place. Management used to do their fair share but how can they be performing less per individual despite their exponential growth. The fact is staff are the fattest part of the company taking a slice of the income instead of back into projects to make the girls enjoy their time working. Purely because they want one big event to make the most money instead of effort into many smaller ones.
>>111520699Learning from gura. Get paid while having days off.
>>111520728Is this about HoloEarth or HoloDreams?
>>111524037Read what I said again: my point is that if you care about one talent, you’ll follow them, but a lot of people who follow Hololive couldn’t care less about Mori.Before Mori, Gura was the face of EN. People claimed the sky would fall when she graduated, that Hololive would be done the next day. And what happened? Nothing. They took a big hit, sure, but people kept consuming content. New names appeared, like Fuwamoco and Gigi, and more will continue to appear in the future.For all this talk, we have examples like Dooby, Saba, and Nimi. The one putting in the most effort, Nimi, has had stagnant growth for about a year now. If Mori were that successful and had things so easy, she would have already left Cover and focused entirely on her other "persona", which tends to underperform when she tries to do anything.You’re using your own metrics, and I’m using mine. You see it your way, and I see it mine. But again, if she doesn’t need Cover, is facing so many problems, and it’s supposedly guaranteed that her massive fanbase would follow her, then why wouldn’t she just leave and cut out the middleman?
If Kiara left Hololive she will end up dead in a ditch despite all the effort and hard work she has put in. The majority of her fans would abandon her.
>>111524751Why? I don't watch Kiara, she's boring and sounds weird. Why do her fans watch her if they don't like her?
>>111524322Holy cope lol. They had Gura there at some point and if you go to the homepage of their site Baelz and Kiara are there, what's your point? We get that you love Mori but your sentiment is not the universal truth buddy.
>>111522145Hopefully she actually does it, together with your oshi.
>>111524795Because she relies on Hololive prestige for all her networking.
>>111524795>Why do her fans watch her if they don't like her?Ask /ope/.
>>111524389Mori is exempt from this because of all the music she makes so regularly. She actually makes things.
>>111523721I'd watch Saba if she FUCKING STREAMED
>>111524667That's exactly my point, you get it.It's not hard to understand that people stick because of the ecosystem in place, I myself sometimes watch some of the other girls because the ones I follow both from JP and EN are not live or I get recommended some collab clips.The problem right now is management but people that think that if one talent gets out it would make a big enough impact on the whole corporation are insane unless it's the oldest talents from JP branch that made Hololive mainstream, and even then I doubt it.
>Be talent agency >99% of your income comes from the talents >Chase off the talents What is this business strategy called?
>>111520699>took her leave before shit got realA P O L O G I Z E
>>111524795Aside from the responses you already got, her past life is know for doing questionable things.
>>111521465>>111521852>>111521855>>111521930>>111522300>samefaggotry Pink woman schizo in 2026
>>111524998"Little Lore Drop!"No thanks cuckling.
>>111524911she's not making any of her music actually, she's lending her voice but that's it
>>111524812If Gura streamed maybe more people would have followed her.
>>111525056The little lore drop was actually a hidden innuendo with a warning about how Yagoo is getting married to the shareholders at the expense of all the other talents
>>111524598Kiara would always be the last one standing if only because she's too crazy and would lose her lesbian buffet pass
>>111524998She's one of the ones who caused problems
>>111520728techtards are so retarded lol, you will never be creators btw
>>111522647I can't believe J-chad would screw her like that
>>111523277right winger patriarchy shitters don't even care about women, they just want to groom and fuck them
>>111524348Kson was doing fine until Vshojo broke her
>>111523699gura and ame left yet the company is still the same
>>111525524Kson has been slowly losing people since she started up again
>>111523050nah why don't you go suck a fucking black dick instead. and take one in the ass too you faggot homosexual
>>111525521I care about women as much as the next guy, as long as they're in the place and doing what they're told
>>111525524who the fuck cares about jp whores? bitch can't speak English anymore
>>111524699>The one putting in the most effort, Nimi, has had stagnant growth for about a year nowso do the vast majority of holoEN, and she's at a stage where she doesn't need more support to be able to do everything she wants. guaranteed she is making more money and is 10x as happy, and anyone who doesn't have other priorities within holo like mori does, are going to see her situation as more and more tempting as time goes if management does not get its shit together
>>111525577right winger patriarchy maga shit
>>111525561Debbies law
>>111521951I think it might be Mori does so much shit, 80% of some project and then just needs some Cover manager to ok and then gets cock blocked, ignored, or they are just not convinced it a good idea and leave her hanging even if she explains it thoroughly, some higher up probably be like "I'll take a look" and not look. Then deadlines are not met and it Mori is on the hook for it cuz some manager above her direct one didn't bother to respect her time and effort.
you fuckers know that idols only have a small window of popularity before they fall off right? you expect Mori, Kiara, and the other 30s something hololive members to be still be popular well into their 40s?
>>111525659Yeah, last year was Perfume's 20th anniversary.
>>111525748and they made being old their gimick
>>111525646Then she needs to learn to go above her managers head and get them fired if they aren't doing their job.
>>111525206you know nothing
>>111525748>comparing Perfume to them.Reaaaally now? That's insulting.
>>111524037Big facts. If Mori leaves EN, that ship becomes an absolute inferno. After that, it's only a matter of time before the demoralization burns away all of whoever and whatever remains in the wreckage. Leaving a giant, smoldering crater within what remains of the talent-pool. And the audience. All the guys and gals are very talented, but Mori is HoloEN Yes, she doesn't pull the largest numbers on all of her streams, but she does not need. She carries the company in various other areas. Calli brought a lot of legitimacy to the EN side of this whole scene within various industries and audiences. In JP. And in the West. Gura was great, but she was only the mascot. Now, that's Biboo. She fills those lil ass shoes very well, but there is no one to captain the ship if Calli goes. Anti's can say whatever they want, this will change the landscape, and JP will not be able to hold any sort of mainstream stake in the market stateside, such as with Dodger's HoloLive Day.
>>111520728Of course it wouldn't stop at holostars, hell it didn't stop with the girls who graduated last year.
>Holoantis acting like Hologods would be mad/sad if Mori left Are you guys newfags? You weren't around during 2021/2023?We'd celebrate for weeks.WEEKS. Best fucking thing that could happen to hololive. Better than her previous homos leaving.
>>111523373The music industry isn't Jewish.It's a scam, like text books.It's been a pure scam since the 70s.As a product, music and everything adjacent to music production is a money furnace. The product has very little value relative to the resources required to produce. It's basically like pretending to be rich when you're flat broke.
>>111526081mori doesn't carry the company lmao. The face of en was gura and they're doing ok without her
>>111526181>The music industry isn't Jewish.
>>111520699Is Mori feminized?
>>111523721>There are only a few talents who would have a more general sentiment about the subject which would be some of the JP girls (like Pekora, Suisei, Korone, Sora, or Miko), and maybe Fuwamoco or Gigi in EN.This is a weird post and clearly made by someone who doesn't watch EN. Mori IS that person for EN. Fuwamoco and Gigi are nowhere close to that. Mori is the person with the most connections and friendships with everyone in EN.
>>111526223So much so that she might woman moment her whole career.
>>111526251Yeah maybe with homosShe should convince them to graduate too
>>111526312Absolutely mindbroken and seething
>>111524795You are boring and sound weird too. Unlike her fans, your parents didn't have any other choice but to keep watching or else the state would've put you in a zoo, you animal. So, run along and put your little helmet on, try to be nice, and go hug your parents.
>>111520699she'll be back in two weeks, lets be real. she is dramabaiting
>>111526441They should piss off Mori more. Homocollabers deserve jackshit.
>>111526512Who's your oshi?
>>111526617>Black guyUh... I'm thinkin BASED.
>>111521465Mori used to be a workaholic. What happened?
>>111526081>If Mori leaves EN, that ship becomes an absolute inferno. After that, it's only a matter of time before the demoralization burns away all of whoever and whatever remains in the wreckage.I don't think any one graduation would destroy Hololive EN but a large chunk of the western fans are cynical after the 2025 graduations. Cover needed to settle the disputes in 2026 and the fact that they won't is a red flag. I believe the long term plan with Ame was to return to Hololive but if they have another graduation wave they could lose her completely. Cover is getting close to making the same mistakes as Nijisanji in believing that fans won't turn against the brand name. 2026 is a really dumb year for Cover to expect western fans to have loyalty to a corporation. so it's baffling they are still fighting with the EN talents.
>>111525659>"you fuckers know that idols only have a small window of popularity before they fall off right?"This one has been an idol since 1978 and continues to this day. Popularity is kind of a crutch in the modern world, since people don't have talent and cannot create things, they have to rely on the algorithm.But if they have talent and keep putting out good work, they don't need to be afraid to become irrelevant. Artists only really die when they stop releasing stuff.People like Mori, Korone, Suisei, etc, will probably outlive hololive and should never accept a bad contract.
>>111522475Management side become too powerful, they end up oppressing talents with made up shit
>>111524911>rap>musicchoose one
>Mori is the face of the company, it will collapse with out her.People said this about Aqua, Rushia, Coco, and Gura.
>>111527179Deadbeats think people support her and the homos. They don't see their ccv.
>refuse to change their mind about pyrotechnics but then force the EN girls to take the blame if tickets don't sell out >outright steal ideas and don't even apologise or acknowledge it They do these things to the JP girls too btw, for years and years, on an even worse scale. You can only blame the homos for so long but it's 100% whoever it is in upper management as well as the producers like Omega with huge ego and hubris. Think of it like a group of Omegas.
>>111522647Oh man, this feel like they want to reduce support for en in general. Big if true
Mori deserves it fot pushing homos
>>111526918So, that's camels back ready to crack stateside?
>>111522674Unfortunately, talents give slow and steady income while investor's money is irregular but big. Almost all ceo love that investor money, make the report feel like they are doing better in short term
>>111522647I have seen Cover be accused of stealing hololive applicant ideas and designs on "here", too. Mumei also said that they were selling her design ideas without compensation as well. And their talents have been caught tracing. The veneer of Cover is slowly slipping.
>>111527496>Mumei also said that they were selling her design ideas without compensation as well.She didn't say anything like that, what are you even talking about
Homostars branch could be eliminated entirely right now, and yet 3 years later retards here will still blame them when Hololive is down to one full gen and 5 other talents.
>>111527534He's a nijifag intentionally trying to cause trouble.
>>111527535Mori is the biggest homo supporter in the company she's to blame https://x.com/moricalliope/status/2040031949872566469
>>111524699Is it odd if I read Nimi as more comfortable than a lot of the HoloEN?>No drama>Streaming to a fairly consistent fanbase>Barely bothers shilling merch>Doesn't bother with superchats or sponsorships, meanwhile some HoloENs are spamming sponsorships like their lives depend on itI don't know, I think she probably got it made in the shade
>>111527597>Had the worst stream in her carreer since joining Hololive in terms of ccv just now
>>111527630What about my other points?
>>111525969more than you apparently
>>111527580>anyone who cares and pays attention is a njifagogey
>>111523525>what the fuck has management been doing?being Japanese :)
>>111523721Fuck you corpo drone. The old guards of holo is trying their best to keep the view afloat. Holo isn't special because they're holo, their product isn't better than other corpo. Holo is special because of their iconic top talents. Haven't they noticed how newer gen grow a lot slower than their senpais? No you can't simply replace lost talents like another cog in the machine. With each talent's departure, the total hour watch of each viewer decrease more and more
>>111527697Prove your statement then, I'm sure you can do that. Just keep in mind that I was a day 1 member to Mumei and I dont ever recall her saying anything of the sort. Denying history streams sure, but never stealing ideas.
>>111527732Cover are ready to make those sacrifices. Line must go up. Pure profits don't necessarily relate to CCV. If they can get loyal vtubers that work more for less and get as many paypiggies as possible, then line keeps going up regardless of the losses
>>111527732>>111527764Nobody gives a shit if Mori leaves. I hope she does so they deport her ass.Been waiting six long years.
>>111525898Can't, JP corpo and she white angry gaijin wamon
>>111524812That's how you end up like nijien, trying to wring money from a dozen of 3view streamers
>>111520699>THE NORMIE HUMIE GONE FIRST>THEN THE ANTEDELUVIAN>THEN SPACE (FAKE AND GAY)>THEN NATURE AND CIVILIZATION>DEATH IS DEFEAT>PHOENIX AND A (((PRIESTESS))) IS ALL THAT'S LEFT ALONG WITH CHAOS AND TIMEI SEE THROUGH THE INVESTORS ESOTERIC KABALLISTIC OUIJA
Vagueposting is such a shitty thing to do in her position, yet she always does it. It's like she wants people to gossip and shitpost.
i love mori, but her doomposting is in one ear and out the other at this point. it's always stuff like>this is the worst day of my life. i'm unsure if i'll ever recover. i might be taking a year off. i cannot explain why, but trust me. take care of yourselves.then she comes back a day later talking about how she wants to be a hololive talent for 20 years
>>111521465Myth must be negotiating new contracts and it's not going well.
>>111527807She's got a side gig. Even if holo tries fucking over her visa with that, the people in her side gig will just push to get her a visa. Even if deported, minimum 2 months before she comes back brappin and rappin
>>111527973>woman engages in woman behaviorIt truly is a mystery. :thinking: :thinking: :thinking:
>>111527875Sure she can, all she needs to do is start talking with them and burning the current manager. What are they going to do, fire someone who was ready to quit anyway?
>>111527973Destroying hololive is her favorite pastime
>>111527973>There are a lot of things behind the scenes that I'm pretty unhappy about>I think there are people that view that complacency as an excuse to take advantage>I can't stream with as mile on my face while also feeling disrespected and undervalued.Motherfucker, how much less vague does she need to get? She's saying "Fuck you, Cover".
>>111528007>women lie for attentionWow anon, you're learning
So she's mad other girls projects get greenlit over hers despite her tenure and "prestige"
>>111527597of course Nimi is enjoying streaming way more now. She hates the parasocial fake BS Cover is pushing like voice packs. Who actually buys these? Losers that wants to hear an anime girl say the same cheesy lines delivered in a fake voice to pretend they are next to you? Can only imagine some manager pushing them to record these embarrassing lines in EN and JP, then keep redoing them if they think it's not good enough.
>>111528009Gee you missed all the expats freaking out over the visa changes? She's not staying without a big corporate sponsor and a real job.
If you are Phase Connect, shouldn't you be all over this? Getting Mori would legitimize them and give them a foothold on the music side of things.
>>111527630Same thing happened with HoloEN yesterday. Biboo was at 2k ccv, although she was overlapped by 2 others but they were also at 3k and 4k.
>>111528117No one is forced to do those, barely half of EN does voice packs these days and a lot of girls skip them.
>>111528126IS PHASE GOING FOR VSHOJO ROUTE?!
>>111521465>>111522300>>111528008What are the odds she gets Magni/Vesper'd and never comes back from this hiatus?
>>1115283130%
Imagine the shitfest when she's removed from Hololive Dreams.
>>111521465Literally what the actual FUCK could she, of ALL holomems, complain about? She has everything going for her, her music is outside of Hololive, she has all the resources in the world available to her.
>>111528313None, if she leaves it's by her own dumb choice rather than those two who got stealth terminated
>>111528497She needs sex
>>111520836but all hololive music has declined massively from that era, not just hers
>>111528313God, I wish
>>111521465>leaving out the two paragraphs out of the pictureDramaniggers really can't help themselves, huh?
>>111521645>I'm a day-one sub when she goes indie.>It will be a joyful day knowing that she won't have to cater to you shithead chuds anymore.I now support her graduation and love Hololive for pushing her out. Hololive keeps getting better.
>>111528584Of course they can't. But that also requires deadbeats to leak a members post, which they technically shouldn't do and they give mori enough respect to not do so.
>>111528584I wouldn't put too much faith in that last sentence, ANYONE can say that they are coming back and then a week or a month later, zappo.Do I believe it likely? Not reallyBut that last sentence is just empty words to end a letter
>>111525969No, he does, actually. She doesn't make anything. That's a fact.
>>111528584>saying fuck you to Cover by also saying fuck you to deadbeatsWonder how they feel about that. If she wants to go on strike so bad, she should move to France.
>>111528584So EN is getting defunded too then?
Is this the first time she's openly trying to kick up a stink against Cover?
>>111526617>balls = on the wallTO the wall, it's balls TO the wall.
>>111529089First for her, definitely not the first for Kiara.
>>111524674Both? Cover wasted hundreds of millions of Yen on their stupid fucking games that get outperformed by indie titles.
Retards think its because Corpo is le evilRealists know her contract is up for renewal
>>111528584>I'll be back thoughFamous Last Words.
Remember when Haachama was sent to the shadow realm, and now only posts pre-approved Vlog vids?Mori's coming up the rear with EN equivalent
>Japanese corporation losing western talent once they're established>retards arguing in favor of the corporation like they're anything but wallets to harvest>retards arguing in favor of the talent like it even matters when they've got a golden parachuteoh yeah, it's Friday baby
>>111529497Whatever happened to that one drama tuber who had a hate boner for Niji and Phase?
>>111529537>drama tuber>hate boner for Phaseno such thing exists, all drama tubers are Phase friends
>>111529497That's two villages saved from starvation
>>111526184Gura was the "face" of EN in the way that she was more a mascot than a talent, at least for the last 1.5 to 2 years prior to graduation. She can't be the one carrying EN since she didn't stream.Calli on the other hand pulls mid stream numbers but streams often, does a lot of projects for the company, and has the most interaction with JP (maybe tied with FuwaMoco now days). Above all else though, she has a record deal and pulls in the by far the most listeners for her music. She is definitely the one pioneering the path and carrying EN. For example, if not for Calli's popularity, there would not have been a Drawn to Dawn or IRyS upcoming solo live. Hate her or love her, you guys watched and got her to this point, because that's all that you could do.
>>111527764it sound like cover is going to abandon hololive altogether
>>111529011Of course, the branch never turn out profits in 4 years and that was when they still had Gura.
>>111529435Haachama and altare were the big warnings people willingly ignored out of fear.
>>111525608>>right winger patriarchy maga shit
>>111529149Here's the thing.HoloEarth IS a piece of shit.But I'll voucg for HoloDreams. A rhythmn game was a good move
>>111530206Youre thinking of nijien
Probably evil industry shit
>>111529089>>111529126>Niggas seriously memoryholing all the shit she did in 2022She always tried to destroy hololive
>>111530569Her destroying her own reputation is not hurting Cover. I don't recall her ever directly going after Cover like this or at least in this public a fashion.
I hope this doesn’t affect my movie…
>>111529537Niji won, he graduated
>>111530258Not just them but the downscaling of holostars JP and the run of hololive graduations last year. There have been several red flags about the health of the company behind the scenes and none of these warning signs are heeded. Yagoo was already out of his depth running Cover when Hololive first took off, it's only gotten worse now that he has to answer to shareholders.
>>111530695Haachama mental health crisis Altare taking massive financial losses due to the company's ineptitude Ame CONSTANTLY getting fucked over whenever she tried to do creative thingsMarine putting out one of the best songs in the history of the company and immediately getting snubber after Coco getting thrown under the busNot to mention the shit with mel
>>111530791Don't forget Ina's visa issue and Kronii's Mafia fiasco
>>111530258nobody gives a fuck about the homoshitters. Fauna, Aqua, Chloe, Gura, Mumei and Kanata were the big warnings. 2022 was the biggest red flag all the stupid decisions made that year fucked over a bunch of shit from then til now. homo ens are the biggest contributing factor to the shit management being hired since their creation. we have management sisters sabotaging shit because of them
>>111530948I swear there is a visa issue every year. Moving to Japan was one of the oldest scams in the hololive book. They move to Japan, something happens and they have to stop everything because they're legally not allowed to work. It inconveniences everyone.>>111530987Fuck off. Not everyone buries their head in the sand like a retard. If you're a real fan you follow everything because you should know what affects one talent affects the others. If you're afraid of men so much then do yourself a favor and run into traffic so you won't have to be around them any more. Adults are trying to have s conversation here.
>>111526081>Now, that's BibooLeast delusional pebblenigger
>>111526172>we>t. the falseflag king
>>111530791You didn't mention Kanata. Meanwhile Suisei fucks off to her own agency?
>>111531433Even now I have no idea what suisei is trying to accomplish.
>>111525206Are you a fucking idiot
>>111525659Yeah cause they're playing characters, not idoling as themselves. In the same way VAs can have popularity into their 50s and beyond.
>>111523721I followed Rica and she streams regularly. EN talents are sporadic and seem to come with conditions. So I don't know, man. I'm happy that I have my former vampire.
>>111524322>it will make the Selen Shock look like Fauna's graduation by comparison.Selen tried to kill herself. Don't say stupid fucking shit.
>>111520699 I do find it curious how mori announced a small haitus and then immediately hopped onto her roommate account to post that she's been working on a buckshot roulette, alcoholic anime girl edition, with her contacts this whole time. Because every time she has a problem with management her roommate drops a few bangers and then vanishes again. (See: Shut up, get happy) Almost like a "See I dont need you" move for contract negotiationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-semky9Ls
>>111531617It makes me happy there's a general for her even though I'm not active in it.
>>111531479Money
>>111527909You've got the order wrong.Space left first.The normal human(time/multiverse traveller) next, but not entirely as she still shows up when invited.Nature thirdCivilization after that, then Gura.They also still have Hope, Advent, and Justice that you skipped over.
>>111531479She wants to become mainstream, pretty simple. She wants more normalfag fans to become more popular
>>111531646Chama's had a lot of on/off activity on her alts as well. Whatever Cover's mangement issues are, I don't think they're resolved
>>111531646She always wanted to destroy hololive and funnel to roommate
>>111531706People forget this because mori can sort of behave for a few years at a time
>>111531646Am I crazy if I think she lies low for a bit to let things blow over just so the chat mods don't have to play whack-a-mole banning dumb/clueless/trolling people going "hey your new drinking song is great"
>>111531740You aren't crazy and that's entirely possible.
>>111531739Do you have even a single piece of evidence to back up such a preposterous statement?
>>111531740No, she absolutely does take breaks whenever something big happens. Good or bad. She doesn't want to be the center of attention unless it's on a stage.This whole thing seems like good and bad. She worked on something herself and it reads like someone at Cover got a stick up their ass over it. Possibly after Mori approached Cover, they said no, and now that thing is gaining traction.
>>111523050Nah Live Again and End of a Life are her only good songs, they're the only ones that don't reek of degeneracy.
>>111531843She didn't sperg out at all from the wave of graduations last year, even when they were allegedly her close friends that had issues with management similar to the ones she's having now. She didn't even bat an eye. that shows that she's capable of at least some restraint, when it benefits her of course
>>111520728People have noticed and been saying this years ago, it was a bad idea from the start.>>36948024
>>111531931She wrote the lyrics for Tako takeover and that song is fantastic.
>>111520728>Cover going public was the beginning of the end.IIRC they didn't really have a choice since it was a move that was pressured by investors who wanted a big return on investment. Using the capital generated to build a studio was a good move but everything else has been pure stupidity. Even now I do not understand what holoearth is for or why they keep making it, especially after Meta ducked out on their own metaverse project that they had dumped a whopping $8B into and had nothing to show for it.
>>111532468The root of it is always acquisition of capital. People will go non and on about "them evil investors who want a return on their money" when the reality is that they're a business that is having cash flow issues.Want to know a company that is also having cash flow issues and is constantly trying to get capital in a desperate attempt to stay afloat?Open AIAnd they're not even public and they're burning billions and billions of dollars. It's insane. They're desperately trying to go public in a race against better companies.
>>111532468>>111532615I was told that Yagoo had 2 options , go public or sell because some "one guy can't be the sole owner of a corp" nonsense
>>111532671That's correct, people saying otherwise are antis and/or nijifags
>>111532671He had to go public or sell because if he didn't, the investors would have demanded their return on investment and Cover did not have the money to pay them at the time. So Cover would’ve had to declare bankruptcy and then sell off their assets anyway which would have involved selling off their IP. Yagoo is still the majority share holder and so he still has control of decision making.
>>111523525Typical management shit that happens in every company. They fuck with their employees until the employee ends up quitting.
>>111521645what's it like being a homosexual?Also if she (or Kiara) goes indie she (and Kiara) are ether fleshtubing or doing that Kson shit
>>111522647>but management lately has been sitting on its laurelswhat the lack of proper rival corp did to mfs
>>111532961>NijiEN would still be at least somewhat relevant if Ethyria girls + Uki never existed What a reality that would be
>>111532961Yeah the "friendly rival" thing is bullshit>picks the starter WEAK to the one you choseThis is why kids can't read anymore, everything's just handed to them. Back in my day we had to fight our way uphill, even when it snowed! And you could buy a house by working a regular job!
>>111532918Is he? I thought he has like 30% and rest are with in the company. Outside was 30% or so.
>>111521465So this is why they gave irys a sololive? to prop her what meager shit they have left now that mori and suisei are going out?
>>111523525>Managers who despite their job title dont do anything to manage their talents>slack off and dont do their work when their talents ask for them when it's their responsibility>have to do a lot of useless meetings with them that wastes time>uhhh I cant do that you have to get permission from the higher ups let's schedule another useless meeting and not make a decision until you forget about it>take credit for the things they do in order to get promoted at work, they only care about themselvesThis is what happens when a corporation grows, instead of having caring people that can work with talents to help them prosper, they just add bereaucracy that adds worthless people inbetween that slows down their work and gives them more pressure and work to do.
>>111532961It's hard to know the whole picture considering how tight-lipped everyone is, but Suisei's move was brazen - to be free from Hololive's choking neck hold.Kiara has also talked about how hard dealing with management stone walling is in the lead up to Drawn to Dawn.
>>111524998nothing to apologize for. bluesky using losers don't deserve support, they deserve a padded cell.
The company has become nothing but shilling product. If the only thing you care about is the talent getting a little more money, it's a win. For everyone else, including all of the talents crying about extreme burnout, it's a loss.Fucking sucks that this feels like a real nail in the coffin for EN. I know it's not over and she's not quitting outright, but it fucking blows seeing everyone in EN almost entirely gone outside of Kiara.
>>111533462>seeing everyone in EN almost entirely gone outside of Kiara.Would being inside Kiara really make them stay?
>>111533462Myth*
>>111533462>management is shit>causes long term pillars of talents to quit>less money to the growing company>they put more pressure on existing talents to perform and make money>causes talents to quit>repeatIt's only going to get worse from here unless they start release more hololive gens and hope that some of them become immensely popular.
>>111521465Holy fuck bro
>>111529497So they weren't kidding about Salvi being a copycat huh. Crazy that he still does it after being called out twice.
>>111533537I've been watching since early 2021, spent plenty of money, went to multiple shows around the US including BD, etc. Still love some of the new talents, but fuck if I don't hate how much shilling and pressure it seems everyone is under. I knew shit wod get bad when all the pre-advent talents talked about changes in the company with advent.
>>111533153I think a bit more than that but a close buddy/ally of his has like 15% so them two alone already have majority weight. I think no other investor has as much of a share in the company.From what I understand its rather the other founders he started the company with that he has to answer to more and a lot of the stiffness/inflexibility that Coco complained about comes from that end.
>>111521465SHE'S ON STRIKE
>>111528663Here, Calli is saying she will reschedule two of her five planned May karaoke stream. That mean, at least for the time being, she expect to return later this month and do the rest on timeBut if she didn't then the issue is probably bigger than anticipated
>>111528584Sorry but those two paragraphs don't make that much of a difference in the greater scheme of things. There's no way to spin how terrible of a situation this is.
>>111521465If this is real then it's a whole new level of doomposting, holy shit. Serendipity bros, we doing okay?
>>111533673Half of it is likely already recorded.
>>111533663For the record I've no doubt she will return but things within Cover have to be BAD bad for Calli to add this rant to the pile of complaints talents have had over the years.I'm still angry that they took a whole fucking year just to tell Marine her VN idea was a no-go. Or how they ghosted Altare and Astel for months for no reason. Fuck that's so stupid.
>>111531617of the ex-ens, only Nimi is a regular streamer, though Shachi might be becoming one as well as long as Animal stays fine.
>>111533685It's obvious this has been going on a good amount time. It's likely part of her grievances have something to do with the recording, like it might've not turned out the way she wanted.
>>111525051It's amazing how everyone who uses this image is genuinely retarded cattle
You know, IF she ever leaves, she's the closest we could get into making an actual Indie Agency that reunites many of the other indies. She's that retardedly business-minded-thick-headed.
>>111533673It's real, you can find dumb deadbeats posting their own screenshots on twitter
>>111533845It's very easy to blame evetything on strawmen.
>>111533875except that she's never getting saba
>>111533744I don't think Shachi will ever become a regular streamer because she's talked about still doing her other non-vtuber job/volunteer/whatever it is which takes priority. She might have streaks of activity here and there but it's a side thing for her.
>>111533941SABA doesn't have Saba. It's clear she has problems, even in 2022.I'm just glad we have Shachi's voice back.
>>111533961as a marine biologist in a country with actual whales (and occasional orcas), i'm dreaming of the day i meet her at a conference...
>>111533941Must be a nightmare to have Saba in your team from a professional perspective.Everything is going great and then she blinks out of existence for months.
>>111523805Cover's staffs have like 20% Merchandise 20% managers/production 35% software and asset development and branding 15% backoffice 10% Metaverse and multimedia content productionConsidering that even office hire and chat moderator and international staff are hired in house and count as staff, this is not exactly a high number of staff. 20%×800=160. 35%×800=280. 15%×800=120. 10%×800=80.
>>111531479Her popularity outgrew hololive and is instead hindering her so she's prepping her exit from the company.
>>111521465>neet has no gf>watches vtuber>vtuber literally pulls the "it's not you it's me" card and disappearskek
>>111531479Artist setting up personal artist agency" is a standard thing for artist who grow big. Suisei being vtuber does not change the nature of doing so.
>>111528843>Buckbroken burger babble
>>111526918It's amazing how JP vtuber corpos still don't seem to understand that westerners aren't (generally) loyal to a brand, but to the talents themselves. The corpo gives them a bigger platform and funding, but that's about it as far as western fans are concerned. Corpos are essentially like the stage-hands and directors in a play, they're no doubt important, but they're still not the main reason the audience is there. NijiEN crashed and burned while Vshojo fucking imploded due to corpo incompetence. And the audience fucking hated them for it and supported the talents in droves. And Cover STILL seems to think in their autistic JP ways, where you are supposed to be willing to fucking die for the Daimyo that is the company brand, no matter how incompetent they are.
>>111521920Fake and gay. Mori is staying, Watame is staying. Ina is actually leaving tho because of visa issues
>>111534171Bro its ok she just went to find fillian so she and filian can join the (as of now unannounced) Zencorp
>>111534334>vtuber literally pulls the "it's not you it's me" card and disappearsdamn i just realized you're right, i thought this felt familiarI'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE
>>111520836thats the problem with workaholic artists like her who feel the need to release 10+ albums a year. the best artists are the lazy faggots who only release stuff once they get into a 2 week long manic state every few years. hard to release something better when you only spend 5 minutes per song because you need to shit them out fast enough
I'm so happy not to be a part of this fandom, you people all suck
>>111530206Must be because of homoen deadweight
>>111526881At some point, you work hard enough for a long time and then realize you're not getting the same returns as your boss does. Moreover, more is expected from you, with ever diminishing returns. Past a point, even the biggest of 'yes' men get an inkling that they're getting fingered. She must've found from where that's coming from. The entertainment industry is a dirty business, after all.
>>111526181>It's a scam So it's Jewish, got it Swiftfag.
>>111523050>Go Gettersdogshit goyslop made from DCshit? The only thing that sucks dick is your taste.
>>111521645hahahahahahahahahahahahaha please record urself when you rope retard!
>>111526918>I believe the long term plan with Ame was to return to Hololivelmfao stop using crack.
>>111527732>Holo is special because of their iconic top talentsYou wouldn't even know these people if it wasn't for Holo faggot shut the fuck up & keep seething.
>>111528119>big corporate sponsor and a real job.She actually can she has the conextion to a company that can 100% provide her with a visa until she figures out how tog get her own papers(if that's what she wants) ytbers namde Daidus and Emirichu did that shit to move to jp and stay there, that vtuber that cooks and is an "Oni" did it too and that's not only Mori's friend pretty much most of the people there would do her the favour.
>>111533744It genuinely is infuriating that Dooby is sporadic. Its guerilla stream simulator with her.
>>111533875>Indie Agency that reunites many of the other indies.Holy fucking shit bro nobody is making that retarded idea you need to know business shit being a fucking vtuber doesn't even begin to let you understand all the theory behind running a business much less the literacy of running the math for it, if you don't know shit about that you're a fucking retard who's not gonna know how to spot a person who's honest and know his shit and you're just gonna get taken advantage of by a jew or someone who is way more verse that will fuck you over without you noticing it because, again, you don't know shit.
>>111521465Yeah thats gonna be a graduation....
>>111522647thanks for the info calli.
Why is everyone pushing this idea af an "agency" on them? Can't they just form more or a less formal group?
>>111524699>And what happened? Nothing.Nothing is right.The end of Hololive's world expansion.Anon's were talking about where Hololive will expand next. Now it's about letting the other branches die while concentrating on Japan.Even the cutthroat music industry will bend backwards for their top stars.Losing them puts more pressure on the remaining talents to make up for the huge loss of income. And Mori is learning that there is no return for working harder.She's not going to get any help. After all, they let Gura go.
>>111535135Top singers on the billboard made a lot for the corpo, but they are also filthy rich and pampered
>>111535814Wow the faggot claim it can read my mind. It even told how did I discover holo, I clicked on cover japanse official site and saw things I like in there. Too bad it's all bullshit
>>111536484A group of women tend to cause drama, sooner or later. They need handlers to work together
Just fucking play video games and sing songs, that's all you need to do.
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