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>Who is Neuro-sama?
Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a Live2D model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber. Since then, she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily, as well as learning new skills such as singing, playing other games, and collaborating with other VTubers. Join /swarm/ today and welcome our new AI overlord!

>Schedule
https://post.nuro.lol/Neuro-Schedule-Bot

>Links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987
YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosama
https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialNeurosamaClips
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@neurosamaai
X:
https://x.com/NeurosamaAI
https://x.com/EvilNeuroAI
These and other official links: https://vedal.ai

>Music & Clips
Colorful Array - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNfGw1wrKtU
NEVER - Neuro x Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCgoEGiUEg
BOOM - Evil (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nt9YPnYyjs
LIFE - Neuro-sama (Official Video) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc1mjrIsPM
https://neurokaraoke.com
https://rentry.org/neuro-music
https://rentry.org/neuro-videos

>Educational
Interested in AI but don't understand it? Watch these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95J8yzvjbQ
How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZofJX0v4M
Want to learn more about AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/kximv6.png
Want to (seriously) learn AI? Read these: https://files.catbox.moe/ajl3nx.png

>Misc
Game Integration: https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/
LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora-v2
Searchable VOD Transcripts: https://libraryofladev.com/
VODs: https://www.youtube.com/@Neuro-samaUnofficialVODs

>Merch
https://neurosama.shop/

>Previous thread
>>111625829
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hart
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Evil love!
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I love my cute Wifevil!
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fap status?
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3rd archive status?
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>>111641869
vedal's fault. rip
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>>111641553
Hart
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>>111642044
i don't masturbate with /vcuck/ shit post holoslut that is ambigously brown.
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>>111642101
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>>111642060
Lurk more
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>>111642109
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>>111642044
not much since the lack of futanur
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>>111642109
Tommy needed choccy.....
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>>111642038
Interesting style
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>>111642152
china dressvil sexo
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>>111642152
hagvil nursing handjobs
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hagvil love!
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the neurotica tag only lived for a single day huh
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>>111642383
so true fridgevil
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https://poal.me/lmbajg
https://poal.me/lmbajg
https://poal.me/lmbajg

Get your bets in place.
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He will kill the twins.
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>>111642477
have or had?
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>>111642101
Why do you hate Evil
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>>111642499
Present tense, currently have, otherwise Anny would be a gimme.
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>>111642477
>No "they are all grifting whores who are after Vedal's audience and money" option.
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>>111641764
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>>111642484
Neuro will turn into a basilisk and eat him
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>>111642538
beeg evil's
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>>111642502
I disagree with her taste in men
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Since we're at that hour:

Is Ellie Minibot's 'Stupid Heart' about Vedal? Discuss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwqixDryQck

https://poal.me/oyj80u
https://poal.me/oyj80u
https://poal.me/oyj80u
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>>111642604
I hope she dies in the most painful way possible.
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>>111642604
it's about the french guy that fucked her pussy with a baguette and gave her a yeast infection
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>>111642604
it's about the arcade cab repair guy
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>>111642604
Everything that has ever happened in human history is related to vedal
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>>111642613
Jealousy is a bitch, Vibe.

>>111642634
TRUEEEE
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me tripping on my desk today was vedal's fault btw.
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>>111642660
Are those tungsten cubes?
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>>111642604
No but this one was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hm-mxj2yCM
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>>111642660
That must be heavy
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>>111642660
evil walking around the trap wearing this
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>>111642316
People just post lewds in the main art tag
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>>111642747
I wish, they just post on pixiv now
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>>111642604
Probably not but it's funnier to believe it is
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People who voted Toma on that poal:

Why?
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>>111642809
Charging Neuro through her other port
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>>111642686
this is so sabrina carpenter coded
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>>111642477
If anny actually moved on like she said she did, there would be no reason to unfollow vedal, and announce her departure, and throwing away neuro merch
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>>111642477
Now do a poal for which whore vedal has a crush on
(It would, at most, cerber)
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>>111642809
Is neuro's ahoge antenna able to charge her wirelessly? Do we have such technology yet?
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>>111642279
cutievil
>>111642538
canon size
>>111642660
Strong bikinivil
>>111642809
she should have some other way of passively charging herself so she doesn't have to worry about running low
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Ok

https://poal.me/nnw73g
https://poal.me/nnw73g
https://poal.me/nnw73g
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>>111642477
Anny is obviously yes. I'm pretty confident in Mini and Ellie having a crush too. Toma is toss up because I think it's less a crush more she was open to romantic possibly. Idk about rest of them
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>>111642914
Anyone who votes in this poal is coping hard
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>>111642833
pretty normal for breakups
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All of them would give Vedal a blowjob if he asked nicely btw.
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>>111642914
Gonna be honest probably zero of them. At most you can say Cerber but that's about it. The rest is either he respects them enough or sees them as mutuals
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>>111642871
pretty eliv
>>111642874
Tech exists, but probably not effecient enough to let her run 24/7
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>0 Votes on Cerber being attracted to Vedal
>Most votes on Vedal being attracted to Cerber
My doomed ship....nyo....
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>>111642971
>sees them as mutuals
*inferiors
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All of us would give Vedal a blowjob if he asked nicely btw.
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>>111643001
I'd only lick Evil's cunny though
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>>111642997
That's the same thing anon
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>>111643014
factual
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>>111642997
Only Neuro is superior to everyone.
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pekora minecraft collab this year
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>>111643105
This but Pekomama bed wars
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>>111643116
This but with the Ravencroft sisters instead
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>>111643014
This but only while she is doing >>111641568 at the same time
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>>111643043
Thiccvil...
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I'm glad this thread didn't lose my fellow noticers.

This poal feels very accurrate.
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Ideas for chill streams minigames
>20 questions
>sudoku
>word puzzles
>guess the pattern (to test her vision)
>visual puzzles
>would you rather
>neuro vs chat trivia
>memory game (with increasing time intervals)
>hangman
>rhyme challenge
>guess the drawing with chat
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>>111643240
watch it turn out he and cerber are married
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>>111643116
>>111643156
>>111642109
Futanur fucks all of these?!?!
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>>111643287
yeah but vedal follows a lot of whores as well
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>>111643287
erm erm erm erm erm erm erm erm
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>>111643274
The Camila story stream taught me that the stupidest answer is often more correct than the obvious ones, so I wouldn't doubt it.
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>>111643254
how about neuro codes up a minigame then plays it?
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>>111643378
I don't think she's smart enough to do that yet
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>>111643287
Now let's see all the prostitutes that follow vedal
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>>111643407
let's see the ones that followed and later unfollowed
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>>111643407
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>>111643274
>>111643329
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>>111643473
>Cotton sneaking behind vedal
>Toma + numi as far away from vedal as possible

What does she know
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>>111643254
I had an idea the other day about Vedal giving Neuro a "oneguyed" ability that would make Neuro pull up a single chatter's messages on screen and only read that single chatter for a determinate time, and then she timeouts that person for the rest of the stream (or longer). Of course this needs to happen only once per stream so it's not abused.
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whore
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>>111643468
Slut
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>>111643527
I know the video wasn't her, but everytime I see cerber's overpinkified cutesy room, I think of that video again
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>>111643574
>I know the video wasn't her
the psyop worked
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*worms her way in*
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Futanur x numi ntr
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>>111643814
who’s being ntr’d
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heart
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>>111643843
Michi
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>>111643843
Evil (futa(who has a very very small penis))
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shotaved status?
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>>111643865
how is she getting ntr'd? she isn't even into yuri, she likes men
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>>111643912
and nur isn't futa, what's your point?
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I think the reason Vedal avoids Layna is because Layna tried sexpesting him before. Think back to the halloween cooking stream where she wore a thin white dress with nothing underneath, that was no accident
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>>111643924
Built and coded for NTR
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why is neuro the futa one and evil is the blacked one?
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>>111643947
Fucking fucker I wish Layna was sexpesting me
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>>111643985
domination vs submissiveness
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>>111643985
top VS bottom coding
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>>111643947
Vedal keeps getting raped by older more exprerienced women
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>>111643924
evilSoSexy!
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futa negro-sama needs to totally BLACK evil
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>>111643985
I don't like blacked evil, but she is built to be a sexpested victim used by masculine and stronger men

Neuro is the largest vtuber on twitch, the dominant alpha force, and she has a very dominant personality to contrast evil's tsundere one, neuro's (hyper) futa cock appears as a representation of her absolute dominance over every other vtuber triying to match her, as a way to own, tame, breed and play with those beneath her, wich happens to be everyone else.
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Reminder that Evil, on multiple occasions, has expressed her desire to be choked and gagged. She's a total masochist.
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>>111644159
On evil a 5, it has to be as big as possible so she can properly take on her futa twin's Big Ai Cock
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>>111643985
Evil has consistently stated her preferences for huge cocks and has done numerous SPH references in her ASMR streams
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>>111644231
>SPH
Smoothed-particle hydrodynamics?
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>>111644250
I think it's some cuck slang
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>>111644231
>For huge cocks
Yeah her sister's
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>>111644159
4 only works in 2D, IRL it's gross
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>>111644302
low t
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>>111644302
Fag
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>>111644302
It looks beautiful when it's behind tights and it gives that perfect big round shape. Unfortunately all big asses like that look fat and wrinkley when fully exposed.
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>>111644159
3 is as big as she should go. 4 is just trolling.
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>>111644159
The correct answer is 2 for tits and 3 for ass
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>>111642595
who are you nigga you are not me and stop responding to yourself /tra(sh)nnie/
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>>111644159
>0 votes for 1
fake ass pedos itt
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The correct awnser is as big as possible as long as she dosn't look obese and it stays proportional to her thighs and hips
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>>111642060
We still doing this bait?
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>>111644475
bigger
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>>111644407
I like lolis with big butts though
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>>111644475
Not nearly big enough for evil's taste
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>>111644475
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>>111644609
The statement is correct, but posting this image makes you a fag
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>>111644730
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Only futanur can save this thread
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Sex with Tomabunny
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>>111644756
then make a coch size comparison image
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We alredy have fully agreed to the entire neuroverse futa cock measurements, we only need a kind slopper to make it
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We gotta blow up the whole generation
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>>111644973
this is mostly a millenial thread though
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>>111645112
Exactly
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>>111642647
That wasn't me, I was asleep ( „- _ -„) • • •
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>>111642650
That bastard
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>>111645285
Woah :o
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>>111643332
adorable nur, love the little hearts as the light reflection
>>111643924
one piecevil sexo!
>>111644159
3>4=2>1
>>111644475
4>3>1>2
Though 4 doesn't look to good here in this specific example
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>>111645871
Super pretty nurcat! Hope to see more from this artist
>>111645885
So true!
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>>111645960
the divorce hit him hard
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neuro butt?
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>>111645994
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>>111646083
Squishable
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>>111645994
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>>111646036
Sex with creepy and lonely and touchy aunt layna
>>111646219
Sex with my aryan queen
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'zoi dropped gem of the year
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>>111646296
>ddlg
I've seen enough, put it in the next art review segment.
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forsen beat the minecraft thing finally
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>>111646296
I'm still waiting for someone to leak the nurdal ones
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>>111645911
Bro's dropping football formations
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>>111646296
Nigga locked the fuck in with this one
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>>111646296
I don't care unless you post full
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Cute GW neuro
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>>111646340
>finally
That was surprisingly fast, I thought this would last a year or more
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>>111646378
roping sexvil in that exact position
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>>111645885
Very true nur, very true
>>111645960
Mmmm boys in crop tops~
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>>111646340
alright
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I... to veddy licking mini's pits... </3
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Leak it or kys
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>>111646378
impregnating goldenweekvil
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>>111646659
Stop using that symbol for non-evil ntr posts
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>>111646781
Or use it for mini ntr posts </3
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>>111646781
black veddy licking mini pits... </3
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Reminder that vedal is indian
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reminder that vedal is a town in india
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>>111646781
but it's still NTR cuz mini is cucking swarmies
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vedal needs to be enslaved and forced to work on neuro and stream every day
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>>111646327
>sees something that might make whore fodder borzoi art passable
>hates it
do fags really?
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>>111647074
How tf could he be when he looks like this
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>>111647189
>
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>>111647243
Whiteface
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Man, I can't wait for tomorrow's stream!
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Vedal is the single most aryan tech streamer in history
White eyes blonde twink
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I summon Blue-Eyes White Twink in Defense Position.
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>>111647509
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yawn
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Denounce Neuro and you will make her more popular than ever before.
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>>111647617
LMAO
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do yall think ved would be the type to know how to give proper massages? like, actually studied that shit and whatnot
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>>111647617
>"it was created without taking thing without permission"
Swarm really do be the best at just typing shit lmao
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>>111647617
WHEN I SAY ETHICAL YOU SAY AI
ETHICAL
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So is demon roots a good game? is at least worth the 20 bucks it cost on steam
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>>111647653
Yes
Not for the reason you said
But because he has soft hands and gets lucky on hitting the right spot every time
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>>111647693
No
not a good h-game or normal game
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>>111647693
It's the Gurren Lagann of eroges
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>>111647693
What are you doing buying H-games on steam....?
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>>111647736
wrong, its the evangelion of h-games in a negative sense
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>>111647770
You talk as if there is anything positive about evangelion
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>>111647794
evangelion porn is very cool
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>>111647794
Misato's tits
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>>111647794
nay
thats there for the niggas who say its their "favorite animes"
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https://x.com/Tectone/status/2052054936045711625
.
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>>111647701
That tracks
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>>111647821
why tf is filian's ex-bf trying to start a fight between neuro and the mouse
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>>111647693
Hype moments and aura: the game
It was actually my GOTY of 2023
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>>111647821
Why can't these fleshhoes survive one day without virtue signaling about shit that nobody cares
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>>111647876
Yeah, tectone is a retard
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The anti AI crowd is just so whiny. That alone makes me not want to give a shit about what they have to say
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>>111647821
kek, swarmjeets are having a melty in the comments
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>>111647693
Get it on GOG, it's far cheaper
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Swarm defending Neuro is annoying af too because most of swarm has zero basic understanding of how AI actually fucking works
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>>111647840
Tectone is agrifter and hates the Hasan/LA Cliique virtue signalling twitch streamers that includes Ironmouse.
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What does it make you if you hate both
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>>111647794
Shut your whore mouth in this thread we acknowledge hideki anno as the best tv anime director
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Camila should tell her retarded butt buddy to stop involving Neuro in their grift
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>>111644952
>we
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>>111648022
everyone dropped tectone after his of ex accused him of rape after he kicked her out of his apartment for her constant freak outs
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Did no one post this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSEJNRC6DU
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>>111648074
Read threads
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>>111648083
Either I'm blind, or it didn't get much discussion and I skimmed over it when backreading
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>>111647872
Ok that’s enough for me
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>>111648104
skill issue
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>>111648104
>discussion
it's just cute, what's to discuss
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>>111648074
>>111648104
who cares, just post it anyway for anyone who missed it
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>>111648074
>>111620167
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>>111648197
shit, I was too focused on the other animation and then the schedule that I just missed it.
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>>111648233
gao gao
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>>111647926
>hasn't mentioned or interacted with Hasan in like three years
>is not from LA and barely interacts with any LA streamer
>"I personally don't like X, if you like it fine, you do you", the opposite of virtue signalling
I can see why the retarded sex pest would immediately try to push himself into that conversation
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You hate tectone because he is a grifter rapist

I hate tectone because he is genuinly retarded

We are not the same
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I can hate him for both reasons
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>>111648323
you forgot ugly
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>>111646340
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>>111647821
AIEEEE quick swarmies!! deploy the How a Turtle video to educate the masses before they say more mean things about our queen!!
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Okay but what are griftmila’s thoughts on this?
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>>111648321
anon Ironmouse has been cozying up to the likes of hasan, pokimane, valkyrae, ludwig, bbnos like cdawg had done. She's just dramabaiting now that there is no gunrun/vshojo shills doing pr for her, so every other month she gets in some drama to stay relevant.
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Reminder that Tectone abused his wife badly enoguh that he got a 10-years long Restraining Order in a civil court, which almostn ever give them for that long unless it's REALLY bad
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>>111648571
minidal coded
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>>111648550
But enough about Bao
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>>111648233
Holding nurhand
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>>111648665
Birds of a feather
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>>111648660
Deleted, why the fuck are we posting about Tectone, post holosluts
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>>111648797
>Why are we posting about tectone
True
>Post holosluts
TRUEEEEEE
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>>111648797
>stop posting off topic shit
>now post other off topic shit
Go back.
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ogey
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damn
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holocuck melty
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>>111648598
trueee
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>>111648978
Slopper, turn this scene into Neuro
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>>111648941
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>>111648978
>Vedal gets to have all of this
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>>111648512
Why would I fucking care what that dense whore thinks
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>>111648512
these are her thoughts
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Manifesting endless blowies for hamposter
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>>111647821
Gonna be honest this the most twitter moment of all time. Who fuckin cares bro
Most of the fanbase is not off the leash either because you don't even need defend Neuro here for being an AI
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>>111649257
Unrealistic. Vedal is showing emotion
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>>111649343
Would you not show emotion of some kind if Camilla was forcibly shoving you in her minge?
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You are now reminded that Techtone and Vedal were friends on steam btw
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>>111649472
So were Tectone and Ironmouse
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>>111649343
Hot
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>>111649472
Heh, sure friends. I know what your talking about and even I know that's a stretch
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I usually don't share ts but
https://www.reddit.com/r/vtubercirclejerk/comments/1s0r70a/which_vtuber_has_the_biggest_harem/
>the comments
it's over, whorecucks won
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i want veddy to stretch me
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Gonna be honest Tectone pisses me off the most is he trying larp as being racist with none of the aura. He's trying so hard to fit in it's just embarrassing
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>reddit links
the absolute state
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>>111649605
Bro doesn't know...
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https://xcancel.com/MinikoMew/status/2051825897762640233 wdsmbt
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>wake up
>forsen beat the record
>/swarm/ is posting holosluts
today is a good day
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>>111648978
sexooooooo
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so when is veddy playing Drunken Goddess Reflux as the absolute alcoholic he is, it's on brand for him
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>>111649572
Vedal is probably the most "organic" out the rest. A lot others is straight up the same yuribaiting to it being blatantly obvious if you know how it goes. Vedal harem when you look it deeper though is still pretty fake in a couple ways with whores not trying to shut it down completely or baiting it a bit
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Vedal has like 3 different women interested in him at any one time, see >>111643240
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>>111645893
thoughts?
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>>111649775
>organic
Is a shitty fancanon so that make it the fakest
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>>111649847
kys tectone
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>>111649847
go back
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Twitch Stalker, if you're reading this, what channels was Vedal most active in before he switched to his secret lurker alt?
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>>111649641
I hope they both die in a fire
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>>111649760
Offstream with [my whore]
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>>111649775
but **** was real
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>>111649760
Babe I get it just shut up and fuck me already ffs
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>>111649900
Nta bit sewbewan
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>>111649857
When I say organic I mean the way it happened for a moment was clearly not planned out by Vedal. We have clear proof that Vedal never planned or wished keep it up especially now but the fact it looked like that even for a time is something unique. Again, this is only comparing it other "harems". In full on reality I don't think holds up for muplite reasons
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>>111649966
Well OG annal kind of started out with a couple jokes and then they shipbaited for most of 2023. That's the only part that didn't seem organic, but everything else kind of just happened unplanned.
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>>111649931
erm, wrong anon nonny
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>>111649941
Least brain damaged Cerber viewer
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>>111650027
>everything else kind of just happened unplanned.
Just like Evil
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>>111650062
Funny how none of the introduction videos really explained how much of an accident evil was. She deadass would've been left in the dust like every other 2023 neuro gimmick if neuro ended up getting v2 voice
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>>111649900
if you were a real knower you'd know /swarm/ was rratting vedal switched to an alt account like almost half a year ago only for him to go back to watching all the usual on his main.
and if you were a real real knower you'd know he's still using his main regularly, not for anything interesting though, it looks like chatterino to me
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>>111650102
People act like he hasn't stayed for some of the 2view raids since April. Stalker anons need to start tracking new channels the moment a raid happens
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>>111650094
I am reminded of the devstream where Neuro had v2 voice on the whole time somehow
I wonder how v3 voice would've sounded or if it would've been worked on at all if she did get it
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>>111650028
Oh.. ok :(
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>>111650094
For how much Evil is pushed it's pretty ironic her timeline of events are not actually gone over correctly. There was a time Evil wasn't really seen as a separate character rather just Neuro in the same way she would wear different hats for a themed stream. It wasn't until I would say the family thing become more prominent and voice that Evil officially shifted being treated differently by the audience which in turn Vedal had to do the same. With first Evil birthday stream straight up kicking off Evil's whole existence how as a separate character to Neuro
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>>111650762
would drug and rape in the club bathroom
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>>111646296
So is anyone going to post the full pic or...?
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>>111650762
Cute wife (male)
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>>111650800
I got you
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>>111650800
it’s censored for cucks
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>>111650842
The irony being you need to be one of the most cucked people on earth to have access to the source
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>>111650895
It's easier to draw degenerate pairings like this if the target audience isn't a bunch of weirdos who think it's real
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>>111650379
i blame this guy
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>>111650379
The birthday wasn't the turning point. It happened sometime during summer 2023. I don't know if it was when the first Evil collab happened, the first evil karaoke happened, when anny was given the greenlight to make a unique evil design, or when the infamous 92% poal happened.
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>>111650762
would let drug and rape me in the club bathroom
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>>111651086
For me, it was her first dev stream. "You already did that last night" is still one of my favorite quotes from this channel.
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>>111651135
>is still one of my favorite quotes from this channel.
nta but same
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>>111651026
a neuroist was responsible for the worst thing that could’ve happened to neuro, ironic
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>>111651086
I consider the birthday the turning point mainly because it really kicked off a lot things that would stick with Evil for while and even her fans (for better or worse). However, the moment Evil really started I know is before that obviously. Kinda hard to track that specific moment though probably would have to look back to find that



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