Mori is talking about "disagreements with the company"Uh oh
>>111881933Isn't her visa tied to her vtuber job?
crazy to let a high producing asset like mori walk in this gas economy.
>>111881933Her issues were1. concert stuff2. percent share of collab merch3. management's focus on EN as a whole
She's honestly kind of letting them have it, and I'm surprised they gave her the green light to be this candid.
>'I really like it here and I want to stay'>'I hope they'll listen'Well that's less dramatic than I expected, you baitposting rascal
>>111881933sound the alarm!
>disagrees with management >doesn’t just leave>tard wrangles the company instead
>>111882196I feel like cover has rarely censored them when it comes to this kinda stuff. I think they know it will just be worse if they make them stay silent when they're already mad, It's better to let them vent a bit and be transparent.
>>111882329It's actually censor very hard by total non leak policy but it just lift it off by some reasons > pic related
>>111882329Did you miss the whole shitshow with Kanata. They've probably finally realized it's not sustainable
>>111882262It was obvious there was no heavy drama.Corporations always suck but the alternative is being unemployed, or in her case being deported.There's also the option of being an indie but unless you've got some kind of angle like a fake illness, it's not gonna pay as well.
>>111882329That's true to a degree, but things like literally talking about how collabs don't pay for shit, even with big names? Like middle management is ignoring them? Saying that if this EN concert doesn't do well, there won't be another?
>>111882438>Saying that if this EN concert doesn't do well, there won't be another?I mean the only way to solve this is to say it and tell people to buy ticketsYou still see people who don't know that the EN concert is selling terribly because all discussion of it has been banished to /#/ when that is something we should be talking about if we want EN to succeed.
>>111882329They should be because they defenitely can't survive another Kanata graduation level anymore. They even let Haachama live.
>>111882491Alright, advertise me about EN concert
>>111882326learning from the best
>>111882438>Saying that if this EN concert doesn't do well, there won't be another?FWMC say this every time. People just dismiss it as them being doomers, but every concert they make sure to say it's not guaranteed at all and there could not be another one.
Holo is probably the only one who let their talents talked this much about their background scene and air out their grievances. I have never seen the other big 2 like niji or vspo air out their grievances to public excluding some crash outs.
>>111882438>>111882491What concert? Holo is doing a concert or something? Like in Japan?
>>111882388
>>111882792It would matter more if they weren't the queens of shilling
>>111882196They're afraid of her they know she can crush then with her fat white ass.
>>111882047No.>>111882196She didn't send them a script, she can be bonked later.
I demand her graduation fucking black pretender
>>111883125Oh no. Haha. How horrifying.
>>111882896HoloEN is doing a concert. It's in LA.
>>111881933Again? How many times has it been now?
>>111882438>Like middle management is ignoring them? Saying that if this EN concert doesn't do well, there won't be another?Where have I heard that before...
>>111883353Wtf, I haven't heard of anything like this? When will it happen?
>>111881933NOOOOO!!!! It means "difference in direction!!!"
>>111883637July 3rd
>>111883125God that's so horrifying I totally wish that wouldn't happened to me, I mean can you imagine haha
>>111882329>I feel like cover has rarely censored them when it comes to this kinda stuff.Ina and Altare with their 3 month "health" breaks indicates there are some lines they can't cross without getting in major trouble. They can't talk shit about their default design and they can't directly state that management is incompetent (or be excessively rude towards Cover). The rules are likely vague enough that it also depends on the specific talent and the current mood with management.>>111882491Shilling the concert is literally what management wants.
The indie model is gonna slap
>>111883637HoloEN is really in shambles, why is no one talking about this? I think because the most parasocial-friendly holos left, only corpo flavored remains
>>111881933Issues with management>People see Mori as one of the supporters of Hololive>but just because she is a supporter, that doesn't mean she won't complain>She said it's a balancing act since hololive = talents>She wrote a big ass paragraph to the manager(who is not even responsible for her trouble)>She is angry, but she also knows that without hololive, she wouldn't be this popular>She wants to stay in hololive, and that's why she wants things to improve>She is upset with how serendipity is being handled>She wasn't upset about HoloYoi things>She thinks staff undervalues EN and doesn't watch EN talents>Middle management only cares about JP>(My head canon: mori wanted this to spread so that higher up catch wind of how en is being treated by middle management)>They fucking confused IRyS for Biboo, that's how incompetent they are about HoloEN> Yagoo taking over the talent management had nothing to do with Mori>The management has given Mori a date when they will get back to her>Mori thinks Hololive is still the best place to stay, and this is why she got pissed off and went on a strike to make management reach her so if they don't improve things, she will go on a strike again because she thinks they don't want her to leave.>She wants another Fantasy gen instead of normal human design girls>She said she wants some stuff to get fixed before the debut of the new girls, at least in the EN side>(Based on what she said it feels like we wont be getting a new gen for a while)Problems with Mori>She isn't into long-form streaming anymore>She was lying to herself about loving streaming>She knows people look up to her as a leader so she was pushing herself with streaming hours>She is a number"Friend">She thinks hololive English in dark time right now>She is not the only person who thinks about this>She thinks a golden time will come in two years>According to her, the market is really really saturatedtldr>Mori said she is going to be honest about her feelings and won't hold back from now on. Management was given a big paragraph, and they said they would get back to her by some date. If they don't improve, she will go on strike because she thinks they don't want her to leave. She wants a new EN gen, but not before they improve the management a bit more. She was angry because she wants to stay in hololive because its the only good place right now.>Mori No more stream Mori Numberfag oogabooga Grim time 2.0 wait 2 years to improve. fix the ship before bringing in more girls Mori wants
A millionaire going on a 3 day strike is kinda funny
>>111885483>>They fucking confused IRyS for Biboo, that's how incompetent they are about HoloENHoly shit, if this is real that's fucking dire.
>>111882047Doubt it. But your moms dick is tied to my ass
>>111885960Mori, btfo my mom
>>111882047She's a singer in her own right
>>111884279>>111882491>no talents shill the concert>no tickets sold>only doom post
>>111885483What she said about management favoritism is what stands out to me. Not the first time we've heard it
>>111884279Kys outfitschizo
>>111882831It's not like this until recently....Kanata didn't die in vain .... Cover can't tank another Kanata graduation anymore.
>>111885483What this says to me is that mumei was dead ass about it being management issues
>>1118821293. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-vKX0Rtt4>>111881933Hope coalliope is graduating. Hololive is recovering.
All this drama is just because Mori learned that she will never be japanese?
>>111885483Hey thanks for the info. A lot to interpret. She really is the only insider that we really holds anything in EN. Even Kiara, JP EN number one is rarely listened too. Makes me wonder what she thinks about all the cuts and losses. Like, take the EN branches specifically, is Star going to be downsized too since they seem the likeliest fat to trim? Or will the girls actually take hits, like in the ID branch? How closely tied are the EN and ID branches as entities outside of JP? How dose cover view the American market? Is it even worth investing on, or was the lack pf onvestment their downfall with Gura being the prime example- i.e. there IS a 4 million sub market out there but not in JP ect. Too bad she can't do a QnA.It really makes me think it's possible for talents to come back though, especially if management improves.
>>111886424This. We been saying that for 5 years
>>111885483Vtubing is dying outside of Japan. Why should they care? Reality check for HoloEN.
>>111882491it wouldnt be doing bad if they chose a better weekendfucking 4th of july weekend on the 250th... are you kidding me?people are spending that time with their families
>>111886468>Gura being the prime example- i.e. there IS a 4 million sub market out there but not in JPSchizos in the catalog blur coherent thinking but it was crazy to let her get so unhappy she left. Mind boggling.
>>111882423>being deported back to the USAOh no, the horror
>>111886590This, but unironically>>111882491>You still see people who don't know that the EN concert is selling terriblyIt can do better but saying that it is "selling terribly" is a massive exaggeration. It still sold around 9.5-10K tickets out of 12K possible tickets. That's more than what they sold last year and far more than any other EN concert.It looks bad (to # schizo) because it hasn't S/O yet (bigger venue compared to last year), not that it is selling terribly
>>111885483>> Yagoo taking over the talent management had nothing to do with MoriWe knew
>>111886645It would have sold out if it was a different time. Management fucked them over. 4th of July weekend is a stupid time. Plus the tickets are more expensive.
>>111886693No it fucking wouldn't cause it's AX weekend
>>111881933Everything she said I literally complained about since Aqua and then Ame left. No one wanted to hear it and no one takes it seriously still.
>>111886741>almost exclusively EN issues and sponsors that started after ame left >since aqua
>>111886761Yes, since it literally put a light on the issues plaguing the whole company. If even an JPN left then EN wouldn't be far behind. And they weren't.
>>111886724That was intentional, though. AX isn't overlapping with the concert. They are expecting audience to double dip (the venues are only ~20 mins apart)This isn't the first time HoloEN concert happened during AX weekend
>>111886369Shouldn't you be helping with Miload's ccv , Sister ?
>>111885483>Middle management only cares about JPand yet several jp girls are gone citing management issues. Cover are retarded cunts. What is new
>>111885483This isn’t as real as mori could be but it’s absolutely more real than any holo en ever will be without just graduation. So I’ll respect her that at least
>>111886369> Hoping for Mori to leave while people like GiGi exist in the company.
>>111885483>Basically called graduation beggars retardsBased Morp
>>111885483>>111885895To be fair there's a bunch of examples where they did this with JP as well. Management is just incompetent in general.>Remove Ru-chan
>>111883957Oh, well it would have been nice to go. But, I'm already going to 3 other Vtuber concerts while visiting LA, so I don't have time or energy to make it to the Holo one. Shame.
>>111885895That, too, is BibRyS
>>111886836No idea who that is
>>111885483>>She is a number"Friend"Grim
>>111886957numbers run this world anon. and you know fully well if you get better numbers in cover you get better preferential treatment
>>111886957Literally every fucking Vtuber cares about numbers. No wait, every entertainer. No wait every person whose job relies on a metric of some kind.
>>111885483>She was angry because she wants to stay in hololive because its the only good place right now.She only says that because she knows she is a nobody without the blue dorit brand
>>111885483I watched some of her stream shes being pretty reasonable and professional. management sisters finally getting boot to ass, yagoo finally doing his fucking job. I'm honestly feelin pretty optimistic about the future of Hololive desu
>>111885483They're being managed by Japanese businessmen who have no idea about anything EN related and frankly probably don't really care, seriously what did she expect? She needs to learn to do things by herself.
>>111886977>>111886993>coping numberbrowns Dire
>>111887002Retard-chama, she literally said that she would not be as popular without holo.
>>111887004>management sisters finally getting boot to ass, yagoo finally doing his fucking job.dyrbi? lol
>>111887025I bet your 2view (possibly 1 view) oshi wish she had numbers kek
>>111887033>Needs the bule dorito to carry her GRIM
>>111886811How does middle management ignoring EN plague a JP?
>>111886812That's literally what I'm saying? It wouldn't do better in a different weekend because ppl are coming there for ax
>>111886928>BibRySWho's this?
>>111887092Because they do for a lot of JP just not on the same scale. Instead of asking redundant questions go and look at what Aqua said her issues were...which are the exact same as any EN after her.
>>111885483So basically >Management doesn't give a shit about HoloEN>Mori will stop streaming consistently >A new EN gen ain't happening for a while>Mori is a numberfag>Mori admits that she needs the brand to stay popular Dark age for Hololive.
>>111887004>>111887124>I'm honestly feelin pretty optimistic about the future of Hololive desu>Dark age for HololiveThe duality of /vt/
>>111887106I misunderstood your post. I thought you meant that it wouldn't (sold out) because it's AX weekend
>>111882491They don't need a fucking EN only concert, I genuinely side with the management here. They can already appear in the other Hololive wide concerts and events, it's completely unnecessary. There's no point in insisting if it doesn't do well, the EN audience is less attached to idol content as is, and it's clearly not as popular and hyped as the JP events. And they can still just do virtual EN concerts instead which is way less expensive.
>>111885483>She was lying to herself about loving streamingI wonder how many others like suisei and mori were B tier performers for IRL music but settled for doing the same thing but as vtuber. We’re going to keep having vtubers using corpos as stepping stones who don’t like streaming and will stop after getting x number of subs with the next gen most likely who couldn’t get signed on for labels or were cut from idol groups
>>111887120No.... I really think JP in this statement isn't about a girl but Homo
>>111884279Why do you keep repeating the lie that Ina was in some kind off trouble and was canned for 3 months when we KNOW that it was because her roommate was working on some anime?
>>111887143The fag feeling "optimistic" is retarded.
>>111887004Kanata didn't die in vain
>>111887193It's not lie anon...it called " total non leak policy" and it may be abort recently because of someone.
>>111887064Who hasn’t benefited from them? Every ex member wouldn’t be even half as popular if it wasn’t for their Holo ties.
Fucking sucks that it took losing Kanata for Yagoo to get off his ass. Fucking idiot.
>>111887064Don't forget the serendoubledipity
>>111887259you're literally seeing only what you want to see
>>111885483>She thinks a golden time will come in two years>According to her, the market is really really saturatedHow or why does she thinks the situation will turn around in 2 years while the market is getting more and more saturated everyday?Seems counterintuitive to me.
>>111887360she has jewish informants and knows that in two years a new covid situation will happen
I swear I read this exact thread and all of its posts down to the smallest detail like... weeks ago
>>111887160It does well when it's not in fucking LA during 4th of July weekend AND the World Cup. Hotels jacked their prices 300% in LA and they were already expensive to begin with.
>>111887360idk, new EN gen in two years? Or else Cover/UMJ has big music plans for Mori in two years
>>111887160No one wants an EN concert when half the talents can’t sing and the audience is ironic weebs who don’t care about Japanese music outside of whatever anime song is currently trending on tiktok
>>111881933>Mori graduating BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASEDHololive is healing after 6 long years of Mori destroying it
>>111885483yeah, that's pretty rough. EN being undervalued is especially stupid because they had serious potential to explode into mainstream had they taken full advantage of their popularity from covid. They still have the opportunity to with enough work, but now I'm worried holo's gonna stick with safe shit and potentially let the stragglers fall behind.
>>111887494this is why i stopped caring bout EN idol shit desu it's always japanese slop, even EN ori songs are written in japanese then sloppily translated to english
>>111887511fucking retard is gonna samefag now
>>111887548>I WAS PROMISED THIS GRADUATION 6 YEARS AGOKEK
>>111887351I see what I don't want to see but they make me see and can't deny it anymore.
>>111887293> CocoWell.....she actually has same number.
>>111887694coco is a 3view now actually
>>111887722Still 1400 average
>>1118877223000-4000 in 10th anniversary stream
>>111887780her 3ds as coco was 30k-40k minimum
>>111887850apples and oranges retard you cant be this stupid
>>111887933you brought up her anniversary stream in the first place
>>111887947i did no such thing, and you are comparing a massive money and time sink that multiple ppl signal boost for ages to just showing up
>>111887954>i did no such thing>>111887780I rest my case
>>111887965nice case chimp
>>111887494That baseball stream with Ina, IRyS and Biboo really exposed how fat, dumb and lazy the EN fanbase is.
>>111887972nice dual devices nigger
>>111887997schizophrenia
>>111887999seethe
>>111888003ok? i'm not the one chimping out because a 2nd person replied to me
>>111882326>disagrees with management>doesn't just fake a suicide for ecloutFunny how so many people can do this.
I find Mori’s stream and FBK’s stream being polar opposite of the current state of Hololive. With Mori saying things aren’t going too well, while FBK saying everything is great. Not even a holo vs holo post, just a weird contradiction of opinions so close together.
>>111888075fubuki is literally mgmnt
>>111888075EN vs JP, but also we know Fubuki is one of the most pro management girls. >>111888085Rrat with no evidence
>>111888092Fubuki is a Cover shareholder, this is public knowledge
>>111887947Not me
>>111888122Shareholder != management
>>111888075The main branch and EN aren't exactly treated the same way, even if both members are physically in Japan.
>>111888075>With Mori saying things aren’t going too well, while FBK saying everything is great.Tbf, Mori does reiterate that she thinks things can improve and has general optimism for the future
What if this ends up being like the Cn situation where they graduate all the girls in the branch for daring to rebel
>>111887494Vtubers arent singers, they are entertainers. Singing is just a small extension. Comedy routine, interactions with others, commentary, personality, voice, backstory, etc. Thats whats important.
>>111881933Take a hint already holodrones: Yagoo did all of that because some Juggernaut-tier holo(s) just tendered their resignation, he did not give a fuck about stocks. Mori further proves my rrat here. Hololive is done for.
>>111887494>>111887160>>111888369These kind of posts don't really make much sense when each HoloEN concert has sold extremely well, only really limited by the consistently tiny seating capacity of the venues.
>>111888428>bigger venue>doesn't sell outyou can stop running that narrative now it was perfectly sized all along
>Mori says that fan support is crucial to HoloEn's future>World's economy is fucked and getting worse by the monthHoly shit i never wouldve thought that America's orange retard would be the one to end HoloEN kek
>>111888488based retard
>>111888523Good argument
>>111885483>Middle management only cares about JPif this is what they think about EN, imagine ID
>>111888650ID probably has lower targets/expectations that they are hitting so they're probably fine. On the other hand retarded management at EN probably wants the same level (if not higher) success compared to 2020-21.
>>111888706>want the same success while not giving them a thing
>>111886588>so unhappy she leftI don't know how can people still say shit like that when SHE DOESN'T FUCKING STREAM AT ALL EVEN AS AN INDIEclearly the problem lies outside of coverKanata is the one who cover dropped the ball completely on. How could they have fucked up one of their best singers, who had multiple albums and concerts? This was completely avoidable if they weren't incompetent retards.
>>111881933imagine if she graduated
the only time middle management has time for EN is when they send them a spreadsheet with micro adjustments to re record shit that no one would even notice
>>111887360Market may be saturated, but I don't see why couldn't it grow. Look - JPs, not just holos but even indie JPs get a similar viewerbase as ENs, despite them having to rely on <200 million JP speakers, as opposed to literal BILLIONS of EN speakers. If EN could get even half the mindshare JP has in their country, the market would expand a tonne. Sure, the circumstances are different, but I don't think it's impossible for EN vtubers in general to still grown significantly.
>"if folks stops supporting hololive we will stop being supported"woah, mind blown
>>111888879Gura was always a collab person; remove that from her, and she is demotivated (being isolated, shit collab partners, etc).Plus, you're jumping the gun here; she wants to go big with her 3D lives, which would explain why she needed time off.
>>111888998What she means is she gets the contracts she gets just because she's a holo, and if Hololive stops having the weight it has, it's over.
>>111888369If you want that go to NijiJP, they're the clown groupHolo will always be singer/idol focused
>>111888944how would you know that unless you're a HoloEn... or a manager
>>111889085They're idols not exclusive singers. Idols dont have to sing, not all idols are singers. You dont even know what an idol is.
>>111886977>>111886993Yeah numbers matter, but only to an extentLike, HoloEN should only care about other HoloEN numbers, it's silly for higher ups to compare them to HoloJP big leaguesSimilarly, it's silly to compare Phase/Niji/indie numbers to Holo metrics, because of fucking course Holo numbers will be 10x-1000x bigger than anyone elseNumbers only matter within a specific group, trying to compare them to another group is like calling a cheeseburger shit because it isn't sweet enough
>>111889215Because Kiara can't keep her mouth shut, and other talents have also talked about this phenomenon from time to time
>>111889042>Gura was always a collab personGura was one of the most anti-social Hololive members
>>111889250>an idol is whatever I want it to be to justify this crap
>>111889250>not all idols are singersYeah they are, name an idol group that aren't singers.
>>111889042>Gura was always a collab personHilarious to read considering the most common complaint about Gura in her first year was she didn't collab with anyone. Her only 1on1 collab outside EN was with Anya, and that felt manager directed. It wasn't until Council came along that she actually reached out and attempted to collab with anyone.
>>111889085Lmao they are primary streamers who do idol shit on the side, retard. Like half of them can't even sing
>>111889303Primarily*
>>111889303A lot of idols can't sing too, but it's part of the job descriptionYou HAVE to sing, even if they're shit at it if they look pretty while doing it nobody will care
>>111889042>she wants to go big with her 3D lives, which would explain why she needed time off.XDDDDDD
>>111889303Only a handful don't get utterly mogged by a random asian at karaoke
>>111885483Whole lotta words just to say "en are second class citizens" and "disagreements"
>>111889288Gravure IdolsTalent Variety IdolsAV IdolsOtaku idolsCosplay idolsThere are so many types of idols in Japan with so many subgenre
>>111889278Aren't we meant to judge things based on what we perceive rather than bias? Btw the most anti-social Hololive member is Mori who even leaked Ina's graduation, Kiara is sad, yes, it is coming holokek.
>>111885483>She wants another Fantasy gen instead of normal human design girlsAfter the dumpster fire that was Justrash? No thanks.>She said she wants some stuff to get fixed before the debut of the new girls, at least in the EN sideHow about we don't debut any ENs at all? 70% of them are garbage grifters that do not belong in Holo. We don't need another ERB.
>>111889371I said an "name an idol group"There is no such thing as an independent idol, per definition
>>111886364Would you SHUT THE FUCK UP about Kanata "dying" already? You are worse than a broken record at this point.
>>111882326there's a reason women generally have lower salaries than men and it's because they're too scared to ever put their foot down, make demands or actually negotiate. that's why we see most of them just up and leave whenever they have a "disagreement with management" instead of using their leverage to force a change. it's honestly really pathetic. good on mori for not being that weak-willed
>>111882491it's kind of up to hololive to market it though?
>>111885483>She wants another Fantasy gen instead of normal human design girls???Every fucking EN gen is Fantasy. How about whoever is in the next gen has a say on their designs and not you Mori. What the fuck?
>>111889645that's cool, the last 3 holo gens haven't been
>>111889683Demons, Catgirl, Automaton, Living Jewel, Gods,etcNot Fantasy.
>>111889683>Literal avatars of abstract concepts>demon dogs>a demon>a living doll>not fantasyMori is objectively wrong
>>111889710>>111889727not. talking. about. en.
>>111889710>>111889727the last three holo gens are Mekpark, Flowglow and Regloss
I heard she said something like "I love when people say support the talents but we are Hololive, you should support the brand because otherwise we have nothing"? Is this true? It sounds extremely dire to me to put yourself down like that. I have the impression she was successfully fighting the corpo brainwash but whatever management said to her after her little tantrum put the fear of God in her.
>>111882734Suisei soft-but-actually-hard quit and started her own brand.
>>111889786>>111889797>Mori talking about EN>reply is talking about EN>DURR I WASN'T Kill yourself.
>>111889873RETARD SEETHE
>>111882329They don't need to explicitly censor anything when it's all done implicit anyway
>>111889873mori isn't talking about EN she's talking about the entirety of holo which has moved away from fantasy you sperg
>>111881933>overlaps>crieswell well
>>111889278>>111889297Myth was kept away from the JP side for a long time. Remember that they played in their own EN Minecraft server. Everyone had a lack of collabs in that first year. And Gura participated in everything that was possible to participate in in her first two years.
>>111885483>She wants another Fantasy gen instead of normal human design girlsBig agree.
>>111889255> it's silly to compare Phase/Niji/indie numbers to Holo metrics, because of fucking course Holo numbers will be 10x-1000x bigger than anyone elseit's not 2020 anymore.
>>111885483Streaming is kind of the bread and butter, if shes not into then she is probably graduating.Also she us wrong that management doesn't care about en they don't care about any branch. Hundreds of employees and the talents seem to be the least important part of the whole thing. imagine of you had a bakery and you had 50 employees, 2 of them were bakers and the rest are researching what type of chairs you should buy for the business.
>>111881933>overlaps with her own event>bitches about it trying to play the victimdisagreements with the company, everyone
>>111886588it just baffles me, is like they pay attention to anything except the part of their business that actually brings money. hundreds of employees and for what?
>>111890726>the part of their business that actually brings moneyIP licensing?
>>111890717>japaninstantly irrelevant
>>111881933Finaly a graduation i don't care about (even Rushia peak clown world when Russia attacked was funny as fuck)
>>111890079Why the fuck are you talking about the first year of HoloEN? Is that when you stopped watching?
>>111890717>meanwhile in the west>send troup to give death threat to all you enemy>teehee that not my problem if my fan are schizo
>>111890079They didn't speak japanese KEKERNO
>>111889427Because you will never meet her again anon
>>111891445really the relevant years.
>>111889427If you are real Heimin, you must know her situation right?
>>111881933>>111885483What's her expectation here? Big companies literally can't implement ideas/wishes of a single person instantaneously, they have to make sure everything is ok, so it takes time. If she thinks they ignore her because they don't care about EN, she's wrong. Anyone who worked in a large company knows this. If she doesn't like working in a company she should leave, shrimple as.
Unlike when the hdf tried to say mumei was gna be crippled kanata actually will be
I find it hilarious that she says being indie is not that easy when she herself is such a clear exception to the rule atp
>>111887494Holy fucking TRVKE
>>111885483>She thinks a golden time will come in two yearsThat isn’t what she said. She said that how things are handled this year going into next will be very pivotal. She said good things are coming and if all the girls stick together, and support each other along with the fans then a “golden amazing time is coming up”.
>>111892173Anything is harder than being the en favorite who gets to do all her RM stuff anyway
>>111887360She's hoping everything will change for the better once a Democrat get elected.
>>111885483>They fucking confused IRyS for Biboo, that's how incompetent they are about HoloENthis can`t be real, what kind of clowns they are hiring?
>>111886468>It really makes me think it's possible for talents to come back though, especially if management improves.None of the talents, even affiliate dooby, should be permitted to come back with their indieshitter tail between their legs. Their roommate channels are common knowledge and it isn't decorum to keep a separation at all. That's why the Nimi and Dooby threads were /uuu/ and /awat/ originally.
>>111892558Seethe
>>111881933Streaming is TOO HARDTOO HARD TOO HARD TOO HARDGod these bitches really are the fucking same.
>>111881933The people saying the holostars thing was self contained must be feeling silly right now.
Bro, don't you know Mori is scum and shitty and retarded? Just look at someone like FWMC, they LOVE management and are doing great and are great people. Mori's just a shitter whiney crybaby, almost as bad as Kiara.
>>111892025They bent over backwards for suisei
>>111892699The mutts like management because management likes asians and the mutts are asian even if they're not fully asian.
>>111892605Fuck the quitters and their oshispark funded copycat bullshit. Vshojo flesh onlyfans twitch meta nearly took the west from Cover because of them. Hololive was only saved because Gunrun went full retard into his company's books.
>>111892838Seethe
>>111892838schizo babbleMori tells you things are shit and you screech about vshojo
>>111881933No, she isn't. She can't be talking about disagreements with the company because Reddit and 4chan told me that's a boilerplate addition to all graduations, and not something the girls really think or experienced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqNScfC-HzcJP bros reaction, 500 comments in 2 hours
>>111881933Maybe it's time to admit that the fake idol cult with corpo culture is just not attractive to western audiences, and that's why EN holo is dying and holo only cares about JP? The indie EN scene is the best it's ever been imo, a lot of small/medium sized vtubers doing great streams on schedule almost every day popping off in the past 1-2 years, and they don't have that fake corpo idol attitude as if HR was watching them 24/7.
>(Based on what she said it feels like we wont be getting a new gen for a while)the grimmest part of this drama and the runner up isn't close. how embarrassing for cover.
>>111892950Nah you need 400 suits in middle management to be entertaining
>>111893010Good. Justice deserve another year.
>>111887494This. I'm sick of JP shit.
>>111891936Most of the Heimin left for Holotower. I'm sure you know
>>111892895to your point this stream is so haram there isn't even a reddit topic about it despite it being full to bursting with headlinesi'm jealous. i wish i could just ignore inconvenient things.
>>111892950/Thread
>>111893152your failed indies aren't affected by other gens being added. myth busted.
>>111892950no cares about your irrelevant 1view that your're trying to groom. if they were good, they'd be in hololive. nuff said.
>>111893273>nobody is making a living vtubing outside of hololive. not one person.mlem mlem mlem
>>111892888Vshojo poaching really happened. Saba could be in vshojo with Kson if either of them streamed anything worth watching.
>>111893220I've seen some deadbeats defending cover over her on twitter lol the hdf is strong
>>111893273If holo were good they'd make more ppl relevant*
>>111893304the first comment youtube showed me for this vod was someone defending cover about (paraphrased) calli calling out "black or white thinking" about the company from fans.straight to false equivalency from the bootlickers.
>>111893300Schizo. Babble.
>>111885483All of the shit going on in Holo right now literally all stem from 2 issues:>1. Cover is public and has to suck the dick of investors before talents or fans>2. Vtubing has been on a nonstep decline freefall since Covid ended.Things were always bad in Holo, but vtubing becomming less popular mixed with the genius decision of opening yourself up to investors who want things to be as popular as possible first was the worst decision ever
>>111893331At some point the collective lost their way. It started to be about defending Cover from 'haters' instead of actually listening to the talents they like. Hololive started to becone ab identity instead of an enjoyment.
>>111893370a big third one is extrememly limited audience outside of Asia. It would always be a niche of a niche hobby, with a very limited audience (basically the anime convention crowd). I think any expectation to grow outside of it was really overestimating the market.
>>111893370You forgot 0: japanese company
>>111893412Anime is the most mainstream shit for like 3 years now bucko
>>111893424Extremely true, hence why it was bad before 1 and 2.Just a Trio of fucking Hell>>111893412There's potential for there to be a massive global fanbase. Covid really proved that.The issue is that non-Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Indonesian(?) fans aren't as dedicated as those groups.East Asians go insane for anime-related shit but the West not so much, the West are more casual enjoyers. It's a severe cultural difference
>>111893370Investors are based beyond belief if they force them to fire Mori
>>111889819Sort of. She talked about the Gundam collab, Patlabor OP and Apple concert as things she'd never get to do as an indie.
>>111893370>Cover is public and has to suck the dick of investors before talents or fansNigga Cover has only one major investor thats is Rowe other than that most majority shares are owned by fans and yagoo himself>. Vtubing has been on a nonstep decline freefall since Covid ended.This only applies to indies
>>111893567Holy retard
>>111893567>This only applies to indiesYou're absolutely fucking retarded. Holos themselves have literally said the same thing of things declining post Covid.
>>111887160Tell mori and kiara that
>>111887162Almost all the members in each branch hate streaming. They deny about it and use excuses to tell themselves they still love streaming to their viewers. Kaela recently told her fans about she still likes streaming but has a hard time coming up with ideas to talk about. Even Biboo who told her fans she wants to keep streaming but end up "I'll be busy" desu.
>>111888420Vtuber is a trend. Similar to kpop.
>>111893833streaming is evergreen, but these niggas refuse to just stream
>>111886895This. It's just a result of them hiring retards who know nothing about vtubers. Which is a good thing, you don't want a company full of lygers.
>>111894032>the best holos are all ex whores from niconicoyou guys can't be serious
>>111894061I mean for management. They make mistakes no fan would ever make and that's a good thing because they shouldn't be hiring fans.
>>111894082i suppose, you can hire non retarded non fans tho
Cover should imitate WWE
>>111894093Yes, but they probably cost a lot more because they have experience managing talents. They hire fresh graduates and train them on the job instead.
>>111894094wwe of like more than 3 years ago sure
>>111892173>I find it hilarious that she says being indie is not that easy when she herself is such a clear exception to the rule atpWhy just go indie when she can basically double dip and get the benefits from both?
>>111894114hire less than 200 of them and get some quality ones lmao
>>111894061You are so dumbhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuNixp-wvWMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQ2GtvDV3s
>>111894289what are you trying to say
>>111894289>Hololive went downhill when they stopped doing FUKKIRETA covers and Do you know the HololiveSAD
>>111881933and nothing of value was lost22 more to go and hololive is saved
I feel like while this is a smart move by Mori for her own sake. It further damages the illusion Cover sells of being a big happy family that has everyone's best interests at heart. More and more people are starting to become disillusioned and are starting to see that it's just another corporation. And I think that kind of perspective will damage Holo En's long term prospects and ability to grow.
>>111885483That sound on par what I kinda expected and Mori should stop acting like a spoiled princess because it's not Cover's fault that thanks to certain retarded Mr.President doing any business overseas is just non-profitable pain in the ass.VTuber business already was on decline because Covid was almost 7 years ago and fact that selling merchandise became extra gay and retarded just made it even worse. Obviously Cover will at least temporarily scale down operations outside of JP because putting attention on project that has no right to make profits is just fucking normal especially that they are kinda sorta bleeding money.She should actually be glad that Cover is not planning to close Holo EN and just keeps them on backburner till hopefully shit will calm down. Hopefully in 2028 Americans will not pick another retard to lead their country, all the worldwide shit will calm down and we all survive to that time. Till then - well fuck thought luck Mori must grow the fuck up.
indie chuds did NOT like this
Reminder that Gura (Saba) could literally be top 1 indie vtuber and overcome her gura numbers in 1-2 years, but it seems all the corpo bitches actually despise streaming and are just looking fo excuses and "bad managers" to not stream.
>>1118933703. As >>111894633 pointed out - keeping EN and to lesser extend ID alive is not really profitable for now. Merch is a massive part of revenue for franchises like Hololive and hard to sell it to baka gaijin on the other side of the globe when Mudslimes and Chinks are blocking shipment and putting 1000000000% of sanctions on everything.I guess they also had a massive project that imploded into YAGOO's face and finally they decided to patch up the massive hole that was Holostars. It's a pretty rough year for Cover as a business.
>>111893370Also, opening up to investors was not really their decision. Cover was funded on venture capital long before Hololive was even an idea.The alternative to that would be Cover never being opened in 2016 because they would have no money for that, lmao. Going IPO was shit that haunted this company since day -1.
Can I get a tldr? Im not willingly listening to this bitch's horrid voiceIs she slowly on her way out or not
>>111895037shes doing me me me me me me me like kiara. She won't even stand up for holostars english which is just makes it easy to dismiss her. She only cares about HER bottom line and not all of english.
>>111895037She doesnt like how management is handling stuffSolution? She wants YOU to yell at cover instead No streams until they fix things (0 specifications about what)
>>111886533Really retarded choice
I've seen enough.Give EN branch the CN treatment
>>111889797>>111889894The fuck is Su?
>>111895037>>111895244That's my problem with her, she clearly only cares about her own career with this
>>111893370Also even though Anime is mainstream, the average westoid considers vtubing to be cringe and weird, and for incels, along with not publicly acceptable anime.
>>111895955because if idol shit ironically
>>111895921It's pretty apparent when she even said she would get mogged if she were an indie
>>111885483>She is upset with how serendipity is being handledThe things with the tickets have been spectacularly retarded.>They fucking confused IRyS for Biboo, that's how incompetent they are about HoloENHOW>She wants another Fantasy gen instead of normal human design girlsIsn't that what all of EN pretty much is? Or does she mean she want actual monster girls which Hololive hasn't done at all?
I can't speak to any of this since I'm not a Hololive fan. But in Nijisanji there is a very weird paradox around the EN talents by management. In the first place, most of the talents have western models. They look like white people with blonde hair, blue eyes. Most of the music is copied from American music, they obsess over Europe and the Medieval era like voyeurs.Yet at the same time, everything about it is infused with Japanese chauvinism. They think Japan is the best, Japan rules, and the West is like a moon in their orbit. It never occurred to Riku for example that putting some popular JP members in the EN summer concert wouldn't actually boost the popularity, because in his mind the whole world is Japan. This japanese chauvinism causes them to be super unsympathetic to the western talents, even a bit racist. Treating them harshly according to stereotypes like "lazy westerner" and abusing their power. It's notable that every single white person has graduated except 3 of them who are kept around like obedient show-dogs. They have made absolutely no attempt to hire western managers, or separate EN from the japanese management structure.They are totally out of touch with the needs of the EN market. For example, back when NijiEN was at the peak of its popularity and was actually doing exceptionally well, they decided to fill up the new gen with japanese speakers who were personal friends with certain inside-baseball people. These talents had zero camaraderie with the rest of EN, and went to cozy up to JP instead, which is what the managers are watching so they think it's great. But the western audience was nonplussed, who are these people? Why are they here? It was such a waste of hiring slots, it greatly contributed to the decline. But it also explains where management's mindset is at. To them, the world is japan.
>>111881933Honestly hope she leaves she ruins every JP collab she’s in her voice is god awful and on top of that her Japanese is shit.
>>111896106I wonder how many anons here can recognise this poster?
>>111896089she likely is talking about devis+park all being normal girls and maybe has insight on the direction for the new EN gen alrdy
>>111896307I'd rather have normal girls over kemono shit. It gets so tiresome when everyone is so overdesigned like fuck normal is becoming a premium commodity.
>>111896405fuck off retard, lore is the only reason to watch vtubers
>>111895977Yeah, because she is a charisma vacuum with no talent and nothing to offer, that's why she ironically applied to this, her roommate shit sucks
>>111896471Ah yes the lore that never ever gets expanded on
>>111896405There are 2 types of vtubing.In Nijisanji, there are no characters. Everyone is just a normal human. Sure there's lore, but nobody cares. Nobody "plays a character" they are just themselves. To the extent the lore is references, it's usually papering over a lie "I couldn't attend that because I was doing my samurai duties."Whereas other vtubers, often of the Hololive stripe, will be a real character. They will actually play a character, a dog, a bird, or whatever it is. They will lean into their lore and their design elements, Bijou is a rock, and makes songs about being a rock, and makes rock-related puns. This way the character is separated from the person behind it. The viewer is engaging in fantasy, whereas in the other way they are constantly fishing for real-life details and the model is just a pretty mask.
>>111896495you don't watch vtubers
Schizos aren't sending their best latelyAll in all, an embarrassing week on the catalog for you clowns
>>111893549She's not wrong but why does she think the only end goal as a vtuber or even as an artist is to do brand collabs?
>>111896709consoom
>>111896709Money. Putting songs out into the void doesn't pay the bills. Doing a concert to an empty hall doesn't pay the bills. But if you have inside information and know your fans will be in LA to watch a concert on the 3rd of July...
>>111891844>>111891936Yeah because she retired, you dummy. Yet you keep saying she "died" like an AI-generated bot.
Why do so many Japanese streamers obsessively try to look white? 2/3 of Nijisanji's models are literally just "white people".They aren't fantasy characters. They aren't mythology characters. They aren't all the colors of the rainbow. 2/3 of Nijisanji vtubers have blonde hair, red hair, or brown hair. About 1/2 of them have blue or green eyesNijisanji's entire business model is "selling white people to Japan" They aren't fantasy characters. They aren't mythology characters. They aren't all the colors of the rainbow. 2/3 of Nijisanji vtubers have blonde hair, red hair, or brown hair. About 1/2 of them have blue or green eyesNijisanji's entire business model is "selling white people to Japan". Similar to a lot of gacha franchises and anime, where often the overwhelming majority of the characters are white Europeans. There is some sort of intense NEED in Japan to fantasize about being a white European.
what the schizo
>>111895955Are they wrong? The stigma exists because outside of some cute art in the dealer hall, most fans are fanatic retards who cover themselves head to toe in vtuber junk and have essentially poinsoned most of their other hobbies in favor of watching a woman stream who they proclaim they love. I don't know why someone wouldn't see that as the same thing as those OF simp fags.Watching streams is a pretty solitary thing. Who wants to hear about a one-off goofy moment that likely requires a bunch of context from a stream? Even irl at cons, I've hung I out with groups for tue vtuber I like, and past talking about a few events or stream moments, it's just dudes hanging out talking about anime they used to watch, their jobs, their life, etc. At least with anime, there's merit to the quality and story to discuss.
>>111895921I never liked Mori because of her annoying music and her very fake persona, but this shines an even worse light on her for me. Assuming no other Hololive talent would succeed outside Hololive because she knows her own work opportunities come from being a part of Hololive, and not her own merits, it's pathetic as hell.
I think her mistake is thinking “well they don’t want to lose me so they’ll cave to my demands”. They had the most subbed vtuber on the planet, yes I realize she has her own issues, and wouldn’t even accommodate her. Japanese companies don’t give a fuck. If you don’t do what they want they’ll just find someone who will and they don’t consider how it hurts their reputation to the public.
>>111897283"Her own issues" and it's a complete and utter refusal to do her fucking job
>>111897463Full color
>>111896471Ah yes, the so called lore that doesn't mean shit in the long run
>>111897186As only 4% of the global population white people with blue/blonde or green/ginger ARE a fantasy race. Wouldn't be suprised if all the brown/blacks hordes think of them as somthing that only exists on tv.
>>111897283She can and is actively eroding the trust of EN fans in the brand the longer she does this. She's left them an out, but will actively shit on them even harder and will further spoil fan trust in the brand if they don't comply.
>>111897186If you ask anyone in Asia which race most anime characters look like to them, they would say Asian, but with unrealistic hair colors to make them look more interesting. The reason why they look white to you is that you are white and everyone projects like that.
>>111893451>>111895955anime isn't really mainstream in the typical way though, it's basically a few specific shounen series that are actually mainstream and everything else is weird and icky, and vtubing is much closer to the "weird and icky" stuff than any anime that could actually be considered mainstream
>>111898011The irony of telling your fans "please support the Hololive brand because me and all the other EN girls are nothing without Hololive! none of us can make it on our own!" while giving all your fans dozens of reasons to distrust Hololive more than ever.
>>111895244>She only cares about HER bottom line and not all of englishWhat do you mean? She talked about all of EN not just just her problems.
>>111888075Fubuki always defends management regardless of what they do and whether it's merch shilling on bilibili, talent disputes, or graduations. Yagoo says that he trusted Mori more than anyone else in HoloEN so it's notable that she is saying there are things that management needs to fix. That she wanted Cover to notice her because management needs to fix those issues and she doesn't like voicing complaints because if fans stop giving money to Hololive than they lose leverage. It makes sense why she doesn't want fans to drop Hololive so it's really notable that 2026 is the year she decided to do this. Confusing Biboo with IRyS is funny but it also shows that a lot of management doesn't have even basic knowledge of the EN talents.>>111896089Mori vaguely stated NDA stuff so there is other disputes that she can't even mention. That is the double edge sword of the NDA that it keeps the dirty laundry hidden but it keeps major disputes festering for years.>>111898192After the 2025 graduations it was Cover that gave fans numerous reasons to distrust them.
>>111898564Yeah, 99% of what she talked about was about the EN branch as a whole because she personally does get things because of UMJ. Hell she even mentioned when they came to her for that gundam collab they announced the other day she said she wouldn't do it unless IRyS was also involved because she is a much bigger fan. She basically went to bat for the whole branch because she has a much bigger dick to swing around.
>>111898049Yes, because so many asians have white skin, big round blue/green eyes and wavy blonde/red hair. Just like Diana from Pragmata who is obviously asian because she speaks japanese, but don't you dare say you're asian just because you speak a bit of JP and work here dor ten years white pigu gaijin!!
>>111899079Diana is a robot, dummy. And she spoke English when I played the game so suck my nuts.
All I'm getting from this is that EOPs are finally realizing that EN's are second class citizens and always have been. I don't mean that as an insult to EN as a whole like those people who scream that EN was a mistake though ENfags are definitely more annoying than any flip ever could be, but if you've paid any slight amount of attention to anything in the past 6 years you'd have noticed that the only time EN would ever be treated even remotely on the same level as JP is when they were treated as objects and faces rather than the people that they actually are. It doesn't shock me to hear things like "Biboo was confused with Irys" because it's been known that management doesn't actually see EN for what they are. It's the exact same reason as one of the many reasons why NijiEN became the shitshow that it was: "Japanese company lol" as many put it. Well, NijiEN also had a whole buncha other garbage going on, as I'm sure people who can't actually understand English or didn't actually take a second to read and process what I just said will take away from this part of the post.Regardless, it's never actually going to change. Cover as a whole has a pretty clear issue with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, and the only way that could change is if there's communication as equals, but EN is inherently worth significantly less as streamers than JP just due to the fact that a Japanese company will have more connections in the probably less than 2% of the world that is Japan than the probably 25% of the world that consists of the English speaking world. It's a complicated situation to say the least, but nothing new. I do hope that members of EN are going to swing their weight around just a bit like Mori is, because the biggest boon of EN isn't what they have but what they could potentially be by virtue of being global, and since they don't have the issue to my knowledge of being catfighting cunts who all hate eachother, there's basically zero chance EN will ever get shuttered even if they all decide to go on strike at the exact same time. Which would never happen anyways but I think you get the gist of what I mean by this point.
>>111899128>"the dub changes her race"Thank you for proving my point. Though please contain your homoerotic rage next time fag, your cock breath is nauseating to argue with.
>>111899235Suck my ass, clownrag.
>control + f nerissa and rissa>no resultsSurprised nobody brought up the "Hololive didn't know Nerissa had her family on her stream with their own images and lore for like a year" thing in regards to JP not knowing the difference between Irys and Biboo.
>>111899215>NijiEN also had a whole buncha other garbage going onYou can say Doki was a manipulative menhera. It's been long enough, it's okay.
>>111899399Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a totally crazy bitch after all these years, but even still I'd give her a lot of slack because Niji just straight up broke the law on stream and specifically targetted that stream for one of her first scheduled streams. Shit's evil, I'd be cracked like an egg too if I was in her position.
>>111899215Yes, EN has always been a small part and always will be. I still like(d) it but I really am tired of talents who realize it and pivot to sucking off Japs in hopes they'll get more options by doing things with the JP branch
>>111899215>they don't have the issue of being catfighting cunts who all hate each otherIt's nothing but women in there, of course many of them can't stand each other. At the risk of sounding like an incel chud, women do a better job at faking being friendly with people they hate than men realize.
>>111899399which one is you
>>111899470That's why I said "to my knowledge". At the very least we can both agree that they're not as transparently evil cunts as the people in nijiEN are.
>>111899426As someone who was a complete outsider to Niji's deals when things exploded, everything about how it happened seems very off to me. She's nowhere near as innocent as people make her look, and I don't think Niji is as demonic as people think either.
>>111899474>is youI'm Facefuck pog
>>111899589funny that sounds just like what a seething nijinigger would say
>nijiseethe out of nowhereno we still wont accept u
>>111899079>a character with a western name that is meant to look western looks westernI mean yeah, that is the point? Those characters in fact do exist in anime, but I hope you were not talking about those when you said that all anime characters look western
>>111899336Management not being aware of stream guests isn't that shocking for a large corporation but not knowing the name of an EN talent that has been there for over 4 years is bad even for Hololive.
All of this could have been solved if they stopped doing the 2 year gap for every 2 new gens. A lot of the problems are because they slow back down after rapid growth and then talents have nothing to look forward to aside from branding slop and formulaic concerts
>>111900662Not knowing that one of your talents is bringing their family on stream for months, and doing it so often they all have "official" art, is a huge slip-up.
