saar

>>111896323
>big words
In the West, those words are all common standard English.

I would not buy a sweater if it wasn't hand sewn by a lady, I will NEVER support steam machines aiding people in shitting out hundreds of tshirts in record time

>>111896323
>Do better
lmao

None of the words in the tweet are big

No idea who that is but as a game dev in a small studio, I doubt a single game gets released on steam these days where the devs didn't use LLMs in some way.
Using it for art assets and music is more of a mixed bag, small studios still mostly shy away from that for fear of backlash from people like this.

>>111896323
Wait that's a guy?

>>111896323
Well if a sexpest says the world is round that doesn't make it flat does it. Few people are going to have the wrong opinion or attitude about everything.

>>111896323
That grifter is Pipkin Pippa's friend why would you expect anything other than blatant virtue signaling?

>>111896323
>Sexpest
uh anon all your clips are with the same woman

>>111896323
Someone should ask him if he's using Windows 11

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>>111896323
he should join niji

>>111896323
>Do better
I cannot take anyone seriously who says this unironically.

>>111896493
anon his backstory is basically that he's a guy reincarnated in a dolls body
plus he uses his normal voice to talk

Why can't a nigga use ai for they game?

>>111896543
He'd be a good fit. So would the StarsEN boys. They're all wasted in Cover. They'd be a lot more successful in Niji

>>111896323
It's about ethics in replacing your jobs

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>>111896323
Now ask literally any vtuber who says things like this their opinion on Neuro.

>>111896323
Good luck to him. At this point, programmers across pretty much every industry use AI as a kind of super autocomplete. It’s very difficult to find projects that still don’t use AI as a productivity tool.

>>111896323
ai will continue to be integrated into games in spite of these performative retards. like imagine being some random that doesn't care one way or another about ai but you constantly see performative posts like this about how bad ai is, eventually youre just going to say fuck these annoying fags i want more ai in everything. its going to get a lot worse for these people and I look forward to it kek

>>111897302
no one thinks like this except AI kiddies pretending to be humans with soul

>>111896323
>four clips from the same stream
Just say you're an assmad Milky fan

This cunt plays roguelikes and roguelites.
Damn near all of them use procedural generation, which for the sake of his argument here is the exact same.
In both cases a dev would set some rules and conditions for an algo to solve and hit run and fuck off to make some coffee.
It's always funny seeing people use this argument when they play MINECRAFT of all things, king at procedurally generated slop-worlds with buggy glitchy villages and other structures shat all over the world with the same templated buildings.
They don't even care to use self-discovering context-aware algorithms to make the generated structures feel real in the world, which is the middle ground between basic procedural generation and Transformer AI, and damn near every well known Rogueli*e uses that.
Although I will give them something at least, they've slowly introduced some context-aware code in to smooth out some of the generation.
Likewise any of the modern Fallouts and TESes that all use the same systems during dev where they shit out a bunch of structures at random, souless built on top of by devs in post.
Extremely common even.
If these chucklefucks knew they'd sperg out so much.
And that's just the game assets, don't get me started on the coding side of things!
Some companies abuse the fuck out of LLMs for coding entire projects, but others know how to use it properly and within a narrow scope so it doesn't shit the best and hallucinate out the asshole.
No dev of worth would ever give it more than a single function with a description spec of each parameter to work with at once because once it goes beyond that they fuck up hardcore.

>>111896414
Ok but actually, hand knitted sweaters are fucking amazing, and tailored clothes can make even a chopped retard like me look half decent

>>111897354
>Damn near all of them use procedural generation, which for the sake of his argument here is the exact same.
Holy cope

>>111897354
>Procedual generation = Generative AI built on stolen data
Holy fucking retard

>>111897302
What are some fun or popular games that prominently use AI for the voices, assets, and/or art? I agree that AI is probably now heavily used for the code. But it still falls pretty short for many of the artistic aspects of games right?

>>111896414
Handmade products are still considered superior to this day

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>>111897354
>Damn near all of them use procedural generation, which for the sake of his argument here is the exact same.

the ai moral grandstanding in the vtubing scene is too funny

>>111896323
uh...

>>111896323
>Do better.
I want to strange every single person who uses that phase unironically.

>>111897460
No shit you rat eating pajeet, the entire industry is built on the backs of artists

>>111897385
>>111897406
>>111897428
Read the fucking tweet you spergs.
It has nothing to do with "le rights" or anything else.
It is 100% an argument against devs not using any "creativity" in development.
In that regard, they are exactly the same, one of them uses rigid rules created by a dev, one of them uses self-discovered rules.
I can tell none of you cunts know a thing about development, so don't even waste your time.
Do better.

>>111897478
we're past the point where ai is something you can just turn on or off like a lightswitch, 90% of humanity who just goes on the internet is already consuming passively it and its not gonna get better no matter how hard the sissyfits you throw on 4chan are.

>>111896352
fippybippy

>>111897479
Procedural generation still relies on assets, abilities, room configurations, etc. that were designed by hand.
Retard.

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>>111897479
>doubles down

>>111897551
Ok and? Let vtubing be the remaining 10% that appreciates and respects the effort that goes into human art.

>>111897617
lol retard melty

>>111897317
>humans with soul
AI slop has more humanity and soul than any of these performative retards. Be honest, you'd rather watch an AI play video games than porcelainretard, and we all know it kek

>>111896323
>"artists" finally realizing they're as worthless as their degrees
You love to see it.

>>111897551
How're you gonna feel when they build a data center in your backyard, poisoning your water, polluting your air and sounding like this all day https://x.com/merissahansen17/status/2053485908775641478

Gonna still be posturing on 4chan?

>>111897671
Wait until this anon learns millions of people live in noisy cities just fine.

>>111897607
Go tell that to most Roguelike devs, they'd laugh at you kek
The only assets are visual-based ones, in which case yes artists.
You say "room configurations" as if it is some fucking complex thing. It's some numbers in an array and whatever algorithm-of-choice the dev picked to shit out said rooms.
Go read up on procedural generation, you seem to thing it is some arcane wizardry, it's hilariously simple.
Fact is, the majority of the world in these games are heavily based on generation, not curation or creativity.
Slapping some paint on it doesn't stop it being cheap world-shit world creation on the devs end. And there's fuck-all wrong with it, or with retards using Transformer AI for it either as long as they don't use shit-tier slop assets.
Now post "le hands" or some other 4 year old out of date meme.

I should for sake of argument here, I actually do art, and program.
I don't like LLMs, they are making devs dumber, they are making animators dumber, they are making artists lazy. I've seen some people give up on drawing entirely and just using AI and modifying the results in post.
It saddens me seeing people give up on their passions, but I guess they never really had that passion at all, "just an income source".

>>111897409
a year from now, two years from now there will start to be plenty. china and their gacha industrial complex will pave the way then AAA games like CoD will and then more and more indies will start. the more people that become loud and annoying about the inevitable will only speed up the process and make things worse for themselves.

>>111896323
Why is it every time somebody posts some literally who EN indie (I assume) on this board it's just to use them as a tool to push some narrative or agenda? This is just deeply shameful behavior. Your ancestors would weep if they knew this is how their bloodline would end.

>>111897745
You're acting as if games which utilize procedural generation have no intentionality or design sense at all.
You should know as well as I do that it's not as simple as pressing the "make the game" button.
>Now post "le hands" or some other 4 year old out of date meme.
He says, using a Reddit meme from 15 years ago

>>111896323
As of today each and every field that does the remotest amount of programming uses AI agents to do the bulk of the work. Is he saying he's never going to play anything released after like, '22 or '23?

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>>111896323
Milky is so retarded, why did she think flirting in front of her NEET fanbase was a good idea

She has some of the biggest losers who buy cakes to celebrate her fake birthday and you think they want to hear about how any male vtuber can dick you down?

>>111897901
desu, is there anything after like '20 that's even remotely worth playing?

I accidentally ran into this guy irl at offkai there is zero shot hes straight. Huge flamer

>>111897662
mentally ill and delusional

>>111897982
Pretty sure he's bi

>>111897901
This is my issue with these performative anti-AI rants, AI can be used for software dev but the minute someone uses it to generate a stock image or some background texture it's anudda shoah.

>performative
you're so cringe
other people than you have different beliefs than you

>>111897302
It's one thing to say "I don't like it when games use generative AI for assets". It's another thing entirely to say "I will not support a game if they use AI at ANY level". Nowadays it'd be insanely hard to find an indie game whose devs didn't use AI to help with generating the boilerplate, debugging, tests, etc. To say nothing of the triple-A megacorp stuff he no doubt plays on a daily basis as a big streamer.

>>111898064
you type like a woman

>>111897878
You say on a board that has a majority Reddit and Twitter tourists.
And how would the intention be any different to some pleb using a Transformer to generate the content?
It's also not that simple as "Just like make game" with LLMs either, not for anything decent at least. Yeah you can crap out some garbage Minecraft clones in an hour, but that doesn't mean much.
You could also follow various blogs and tutorials to do it yourself, and that still doesn't mean much.
Look at the garbage procedural generation in Minecraft as an example of near lack of intention beyond "just add stuff to make the world look like it was lived in".
The same thing was done with Fallout 3 and scattering random crap around the world to imply it was lived in. Make a few assets interactive and holy shit the devs did so much!!!!
And then you have the Toady dicksuckers with Dwarf Fortress
>wow the game is so DEEP brah holy fuck
>most complex game in history!!
>There's SO MUCH bro holy shittits!!
It's a bunch of fucking text files filled with words and phrases, and a harness that combines those words together via sentence templates, some of which are picked at random, some of which are based on the active game world, and all the messy parts covered up with a badly done game UI.
A shitty template-based sentence generator is a task done in any decent school / college programming class.
There was no intention, Toady is an ideasguy to an extreme degree who is just barely autistic enough to learn enough programming and read enough to make a game out of it.
So are the hundreds of other games out there from CDDA to [insert every rogueli*e of the year]
Why create assets when you can throw together a few rules and let the computer do it for you?
Even most of the world in the likes of Fallout and GTAs were produced with perlin noise and edited in post.
Devs are lazy as fuck. This is not a new thing.
You can bet your ass most will use genAI for gamedev when it is cheap enough, especially big companies.

>>111898114
you type like a retard

>>111896323
I'm so tired of people virtue signalling about the newest controversial thing, like who the fuck cares what some retarded streamer thinks about topic X?

>>111897901
programmers have been getting overpaid while contributing nothing to society for decades, they deserve to be replaced

>>111896323
>Do better
Opinion discarded

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>>111898118
Did you make a shitty AI game no one cared about or what?
Genuinely what went wrong with your life that you're ranting about this on the vtuber board?

>>111896414
When machines replaced handmade clothing it quickly became children working the machines for ridiculously long hours at a time because it was the cheapest option, and the rate of injuries and losing fingers and hands was sky high
All for an inferior product

>>111898165
This but artists

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Is liking AI being pushed as a psyop or something? I only see the usual trailer trash and urban sludge Joe Rogan crowd throwing up their hands in the air and cheering for it.

>>111898064
can you help me understand jowol's beliefs? he was playing the new tomodachi life yesterday, a day after making that tweet. maybe nintendo is secretly the first big game company not to incorporate AI in their workflow? otherwise his statement seems contradictory.

>>111898171
You clearly can't read if you think I am defending the use of it.
Why did you even waste your life responding to something you never read?
Don't you have hobbies? Talk about waste of life.

>>111898189
Only leftists hate AI.

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Life becomes much simpler when you realize everyone defending AI on the internet is literally just this

>>111898189
Hololive fans love AI because it saves Daddy Yagoo money

>>111896570
this is the most uncreative. retarded thing I ever heard

>>111896323
God he's such a faggot.
Performative male sex pest

>>111898211
no seriously explain your motives for this melty

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>>111898222
>Only leftists hate AI.
That answers my question.
Defending AI is a kike psyop then.
Can't wait to see you bitch and moan when you realize all the white people in Utah lost their rights to water and energy utilities lol.

>generating a reference = bad
>googling a reference = good
make it make sense chat

I honestly don't know what is so bad about generating some random background image almost instantly instead of having to commission it from someone and pay for it. If it looks like shit, then it's an issue, but most of the time no one can tell the difference unless they try to look at some minor detail that 99.999% of the people will never notice

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>he's posting with 2 devices to shill AI in video games on the vtuber board of 4chan

>>111896414
I would easily pay double to quintuple the price of a sweater knowing it was handmade because you bet your ass it would be of substantially higher quality.

>>111898265
You think this is a melty?
You newfags are cute.

>>111897106
>AI nigger cannot distinguish generative AI from an LLM

>>111898299
>>111898289
This is the same reasoning Nixon had when he off shored American industry to China. Except now it's to India.

>>111898279
>Can't wait to see you bitch and moan when you realize all the white people in Utah lost their rights to water and energy utilities lol.
Fuck Mormon cultists. I hope they do.

>>111898289
Because generating a reference means using someone else's work of which they either were not compensated for or that they did not consent to.

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>>111898357
>this is not a melty
>>111897354
>>111897479
>>111897745
>>111898118

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>>111898118
Didn't read, stay mad

>>111898408
the original artist or photographer wouldn't get paid if they googled the reference either. we're talking about references here, not final assets

>>111898360
...
an LLM is generative AI, you retard.
It generates text.
>>111898438
Oh no, watch as they cope and screech saying that that their workflows are not exactly the same as the abusive AI companies

>>111898419
Of course you didn't.
You watch Geega - I expected that much from your kind.

>He's still replying to himself

asusual, AIfags are too retarded to understand what AI even does

>>111898299
No one gave a shit when AI could generate text but not images. No outcry about the sanctity of writing being violated. Now that it can generate images it's basically the end of the world as far as retards on social media are concerned. I don't get it either.

>>111898438
If you narrow down the argument to that exact point, then sure, you're correct. There's no reasonable difference.

However unless you are going to offer some sort of serious enforcement on users (which is essentially impossible) to ONLY use the images as reference strictly, there's nothing stopping anyone from simply using the final generation as is rather than as reference.

>>111898360
brother, what do you think an LLM is?

>>111898497
>there's nothing stopping anyone from simply using the final generation as is rather than as reference.
except the demands of the playerbase? players don't want AI-generated final assets. there has literally been massive outrage every time a game tried

>>111898496
> No outcry about the sanctity of writing being violated
Simply because you didn't see something happen in front of your face doesn't mean it didn't happen, you autist. You can go and watch a million YouTube videos about people lamenting AI slop novels filling the Amazon marketplace right now.

>>111898496
Except it was? And still is? Nigga just because you close your eyes to it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

>>111898524
>Hey guys, how do you feel about $5 horse armor? pretty cool right?

Literal slippery slope

>>111898526
>>111898530
All of that started happening after the AI art bullshit blew up on social media, dummies.

You can't escape AI anymore. Photoshop uses AI, every video editor uses AI, even if you draw on a piece of paper and scan it I promise you the scanning software uses AI. If nothing else the platform you upload the drawing to does. He's a virtue-signalling faggot.

>>111898560
Proof next thread I assume?

>>111898560
No, it was happening in tandem, the art side simply overshadowed it

>>111898526
As opposed to the human slop on the marketplace.
Most of them used the same shitty writing process to shit out highly marketable garbage every year aimed at degenerate woman mostly.
Ironic that those types are the ones screeching the most, same with furries and image gen because they can't make infinity bux on their shitty patreon game projects.
Every creative process was sloppified long before AI was even remotely good. Truly an artform in all honesty, but slop nonetheless.

>>111898584
>It didn't happen
>It might be happening but its not that bad
>It's happening and it's a good thing actually
^ You are here

>>111898524
And now we are seeing more and more, developers claims they never used any AI assets in their game get caught for lying. Publishers and developers have always been money grubbing Jews and have absolutely no problems with deceiving their paying customers if it means higher profits

ran out of free tokens so you're here pissing yourself?

>>111898568
The muslims are already in your country, may as well just let them take over, it's inevitable.

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>>111897798
what are you talking retard
as an AI anti I WISH they became open about using it
it would make it so much easier to blacklist and avoid games (and vtubers that play them)

>>111898605
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm a different anon.
It definitely did happen like you said.
But going back to >>111898524 - if nobody knew the AI was being used in the creative process - how does one know?
AI has won in competitions before.
AI has tricked countless people before. There has been countless examples of people trolling others on here over the Anti AI argument by saying "nothing beats true art by real people" and posting some shitty sketch-like art only to say it was made by AI, or vice versa posting some ugly IRL person and saying "AI is superior" and a dozen people rip on this poor ugly fuck only for them to post a Facebook link later down the thread.
Fact is, it has already been used stealthily in projects before. It will continue. And it will only get worse from here on out now with video gen being decent.
There's already a group looking in to making multi-layer image generatrion, aka PSDs and other file types.
That will make working with AI assets infinitely easier and you can bet your ass so many devs and creatives will jump on that shit when it comes out.
It's just how things go.
Nobody buys "high art", they buy photocopied high art, welcome to most of society.

>>111898666
That's an incomplete analogy. It would be like the overwhelming majority of people were muslims and the retarded sex pest himself had a muslim wife, muslim customs and traditions, reads the quran daily, prays 4 times a day and engages with muslim culture on every level but refuses to convert to islam on paper.

People who are pro-AI in terms of creative work are spiritual (if not corporeal) jews

>>111898640
as of today there is no game company on earth that doesn't use AI to do 80% of the work. it's just too profitable. as always, money is the only thing that matters in the end.

>>111898728
Yes you're right, AI is becoming increasingly used to deceive people. Hence why AI creators and users should be subject to harsh and strict ethical legislation with severe penalties for non-conformance so that consumers can make informed choices.

>>111898735
People who are anti-AI in terms of creative work are actual jews

>>111898734
Muslims are outbreeding you, they will become the majority, may as well just let them take over, it's inevitable.

>>111898771
You have a completely disproportionate and unjustified faith in the law. Laws do not warp reality.

>>111898735
They're worse than that. They're mentally an eternal customer that for some reason takes pride in being talentless

>>111898794
>turn over your human spirit to the silicon jew, it's the only way to not be a jew

Not this time rabbi

>>111898803
Well then if you think the laws won't do anything, you shouldn't care if we at least try and see if they do. From your perspective, nothing would change, therefore there is no loss.

The "ANY level" part makes it retarded. It's usually not even properly disclosed in the first place. At least say something like "that ships with AI generated art assets" or something, that's much more reasonable.
Unless he's willing to boycott the entire industry with exceptions being made to games that manage to prove they never used it.

nobody tell him how live2D works

>>111898771
Sadly most people are too retarded to make informed decisions, even with all the evidence in the world.
See all the addicts and wastes of life, people in sane debt, etc.
Even when challenged with verifiable proof right in front of them, they will deny their reality being attacked.
It's how cults work, it's how addiction works. These people, these companies, they all play on the same human weakness.
Most people buy trash every day because they see cheaper prices, despite the fact that it breaks in a year or 2, meanwhile something more expensive could last decades if maintained. "But that one is more expensive", as his drool falls out of his gaping voice hole.

>>111898766
Big difference between an AI agent doing QA and generating art assets.

>>111897941
>>111897901
E33 didnt use AI and it's like the only game released after 23 that you could call great

>>111898900
May as well just kill yourself then if you want to be a misanthrope about it all.

>>111898910
What's the difference?

>>111898896
Do YOU know how Live2D works?

>>111898831
>hehe here's a stick figure I whipped up in 10 minutes, that'll be $800
Artists are jews of the modern era

>>111898900
>people in sane debt,
kek
I meant IN insane debt.
>>111898896
That's wrong though.
L2D makes warping already-created context trivial.
It still requires those assets to be made.
Now, you CAN use AI generated assets with it.
I've seen a vtuber, artist and rigger who started using AI as well now, she used it for making one-off rigs for her ASMR streams as an experiment and she liked it so kept doing it.

>>111898963
One is consensual, the other isn't.

>>111898940
>he doesn't know

>>111898910
Not really. They're both taking jobs away from humans.

>>111899018
>I bought a stickman for $800
>this somehow the artist's fault

I don't know brother, just sounds like you're retarded

>>111896323
Dont know who she is, not clicking any of those but that tweet is a trvke
Also buy an ad

I hate AI
Also fuck Trump
Also Free Palestine
Also Slava Ukraini

>>111899048
See >>111899026

>>111899056
Artists charging $800 for a basic drawing is jewish behavior and a perfectly justifiable reason for using AI

>>111899026
Consensual...?
How exactly?
You do realize code-gen scraped open source projects without permission or attribution, right?
A FUCKLOAD of devs were pissed at that and even left Shithub over it.

>>111899077
Anon, you do know that, you don't have to buy something just because it's advertised to you? Or are you the perfect goy or something?

>>111899086
It's in GitHub's TOS that it can do that.

>>111899102
>All artists: "Yes that basic drawing will cost $800, you have no choice but to agree to this price"
>"I'll just use AI instead"
>All artists: "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!"

>>111897982
>>111898004
faggots wouldnt be based like this
you're making shit up to make him look bad by implying he's a member of a hated demographic

>>111899163
If you don't like the price, you can go to another artist, there is more than one. It's called a free market.

>>111899155
Nobody has expectation of privacy outside either, but your ass is still going to get slapped if not arrested for going around taking pictures of peoples faces up close.
Being in the ToS doesn't stop it from being corrupt as fuck and non-consensual.
And I say that as a pro open source type, I learned coding from countless open source projects and even helped some.

>>111899204
>you can go to another artist
>>111899163

>>111899216
>Nobody has expectation of privacy outside either, but your ass is still going to get slapped if not arrested for going around taking pictures of peoples faces up close.
That's harassment retard, if not stalking, that's a crime retard.

>Being in the ToS doesn't stop it from being corrupt as fuck and non-consensual.
I'm not disagreeing it's corrupt as fuck and an abuse of their market dominance, however it is strictly not non-consensual. You signed the ToS

>>111898110
and how is that a bad thing when vtubers stop playing ridiculously overpriced (despite the AI usage i guess) sloppa that everyone gets bored of after a few weeks and return to fun old games?

>>111899255
Show me your evidence that all artist everywhere are charging $800 for stickman level drawings and then I'll believe you.

Consent is completely irrelevant if AI art is being use for brainstorming and as placeholder assets. Which would already be reason for boycott under this "ANY level" rule.

>>111897354
Artificial intelligence meets natural stupidity

>>111899284
I don't think there's much in terms of ethics there when so many artists use tools they never made to create assets in the first place.
From tracing over real pictures to using textured brushes they never made.
When barely any of the image is original work, did they really make it?
Few hue shifts, contrast boost, clamp the colors and sketch over it and call it a day, oh hey look it's 90% of anime backgrounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqTiz2LDb4
Most of these artists would explode if they were forced to use MS Paint to draw art, they don't know how to draw, just slap down textured brushes.
Real pros learned with simple ass raster editors and traditional.

>>111898384
>>111898279
>>111898222
in case you didnt notice the left is now the more 'based' party for some time
trump is the worst jew-dicksucker in ages

>>111899378
>you don't raise your own chickens to get your own eggs and extract the yolk to make your own pigment binder? Not a real artist

Art is about expression of skill and creativity. Obviously absolute effort plays a part in the perception of value and it would increase the value of a painting knowing the artist created absolutely everything from scratch, but a Picasso napkin scribble would be worth infinitely more than anything you or I could do in a year because Picasso has a greater skill and creativity expression ability.

People who claim AI is just another tool like a digital brush are wrong because I can in theory create AI art with nothing but money. All I need is to write a script to prompt an AI to generate art prompts and then feed that into another AI to generate the AI. The only limiting factor I have is money. There is no skill and there is no creativity.

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>>111899378
I'm not even questioning how unethical it is, it's more that even agreeing that it is unethical, it's no different from what happened before AI. They'd use images they do not own from companies they did not pay as placeholders until the final asset is made by their own artists.
So if the problem is using "stolen art" at any point in the production even if it didn't made its way to the final game, the boycott doesn't start with genAI, it has to go way back. Unless the person thinks Sony owns Ubisoft, for a well documented example:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/uncharted-4-trailer-uses-assassins-creed-4-art-son/1100-6435062/