>>111923672
My Oshi would be devastated if I left

>trendchasers
>complaining about trends

>>111923672
I think it can very easily happen. A core of 3 to 10 turbo autists can really carry even decent sized 3view vtubers. Like my oshi has a super dedicated clipper that only clips her who also helps with all kinds of her projects. Some people simply make themselves too useful. I don't think anyone should ever feel bad about about leaving though.

>>111923672
What she means is "I'm upset that the simp who used to pay for my condoms stopped giving me money" but she can't just say this out loud so she has to dress it up.

>woman pretends to care to re-ignite the attention of her parasocial fans

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>>111923672
>But seriously tho, L + Ratio + ur cringe @ parasocial fucks.

I think people overestimate just how big a "core audience" really is. If you're one of those very active fans even for a chuuba as big as a holo, you'll realize that you soon memorize all of the names of the regulars in chat, and that it's not really that large of a group. If you who benefit nothing from them remember them, it's not a stretch the chuuba will too, unless she genuinely dislikes her fans, which happens too.

>>111923672
Big chubba betray their paypig more often

>>111923672
I’ve left 2 of my former oshis in the past year who I was quite active with. I wasn’t really as happy with them as I used to be, but I’m afraid of going back to them. How will they react? Will they even want me back? It’s a complicated feeling.

I don't get it. What is the catalyst or reason for the very active fan to drop her? This isn't how the meme works. It's missing the whole setup part.

I used to watch Clio a lot pre-Phase, pre 3view status. Before she knew Mako etc. She had one devoted fella called "HagCollector" who'd piss and moan if she gave us attention. He'd fund so much porn of her too. I sorta miss the fan to streamer connection back than. But she refused to moderate his outbursts and so I just dipped. A lot can occur for someone to disappear

>>111924352
The thing you have to understand about women is that they are never at fault for anything, ever. There is zero responsibility and actions have no consequences for women. If something happens she's completely dumbfounded as to why it happened, it's a freak of nature, a flaky fan who must have never liked her at all to begin with, they were just using her, she's the victim, how could they just leave her for absolutely no reason whatesoever?

>>111924320
you're fucking gay lmao.

>>111924248
>core audience
>for a chuuba as big as a holo
only paypigs, someone that provides good artwork, does good cosplay, or helps with community projects, gets any recognition at that size. Normal chatters fall off the vtuber's radar at that point and don't matter even if they're longtime chatters or not.
I still don't doubt the person being referenced by twitter post in the OP is about some paypig and not a loyal viewer.

I was busy IRL for like 3 weeks and the chuuba messaged me to see if I was ok since I was super active.

>>111924551
Disagree, well, I guess it depends on how high your bar for paypig is, I'm thinking the biggest whales, if you're considering something as low as being a long time member, then sure.

>>111924910
Chuubas can never publicly complain when a whale leaves because it's the worst optics ever and alienates all of their other fans and whales while making it look like the only thing they care about is money. I mean all of that may be true but they don't want it to look like it's true.

her whole personality is talking about sex and being a degen. no shit people aren't goong to stay for long, theres a million of them like that out there
funny that they never think "maybe I'm the problem" but then again they always have 10 yes men surrounding them at all times who will put up with all her bullshit just for a crumb of pussy

>>111923672
says a roastie who thinks it's A JOKE to cuck her fans with boyfriend talk
https://files.catbox.moe/9tt9ck.webm
can these filthy femoids have even a SHRED of self-awareness or self-criticism?

>>111924551
>Normal chatters fall off the vtuber's radar at that point and don't matter even if they're longtime chatters or not.
Yep exactly. If the viewer doesn't spend money in some way they won't be remembered. I could be a day 1 chatter and be active in every stream but I still wouldn't be as "important" as someone who drops gifteds every now and then

>>111923672
99% of the time this happens is due to something the vtuber themselves did (or some times barely doing anything at all)

>>111924910
>long time member
being a paying member doesn't matter at that scale either, you're just another name that gets lost in the sea of greens, despite what people on here love to believe when they post their long time memberships.
Someone that donates often enough so their name gets read out most streams will be remembered by the streamer though.

>>111923672
Me fr fr, was one of the most prominent overseas fans of a jp vtuber for years but between growing disillusioned at the woman behind the character and disappointed that she gave up trying to reach out to overseas fans as much as she once had and double downed on focusing more on home audience, I walked away last year. Don't really care whether it bothers her or not, only casually watch vtubers these days and only if the content is something I want to see. I owe no loyalty to them.

>>111924981
if youre not a yes man you will get permabanned instantly from those streamer whore chats
they sorround themselves with the lowest IQ simps with 0 valuable insight so they dont really care if they leave they only care about the ATM aspect of them leaving

>>111923672
Fwiw it’s not unreasonable for that to happen with big donors or really active spergs. Even if they don’t really feel much, they’d notice the name no longer popping up anymore in their feed.

>>111924369
I got a see those images to properly judge

Shinna's bf yab turned her from potential 4view on twitch like most of her coworkers to a low 3view and then she posts shit like this lol

>>111924998
It's not a matter of being important, remembering people and things is not a voluntary action, you just do. If you're paying full attention to the stream and chat (like the streamers themselves will) it's inevitable that you'll remember the people who are always there, as this isn't that big of a number.
You can remember the characters in an anime season, you can fit a whole anime season in one longer stream, now keep that for years and you're seriously surprised if they remember a few names?

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>>111925033
I used to donate anonymously every single stream, but she would never read any of my chat messages. Sometimes when chat was slow you could even see her look over and pause to read chat, and if all she saw was my message she'd silently go back to the game. The worst is when I'd post something, she'd ignore it, and then a few minutes later someone else would post the same thing I did and she'd enthusiastically read it and react to it.

>>111925087
>Even if they don’t really feel much, they’d notice the name no longer popping up anymore in their feed.
Yeah this, it's not about her world crumbling because the person left, but noticing and wondering why is perfectly normal and I'd be more surprised if she didn't.

I make my oshi laugh every stream and she probably doesn't even know who I am

>>111924204
That's exactly why I watch her, I don't want some mentally unstable retard who will have a breakdown if one fan leaves. I want someone strong-willed who won't be bullied into submission. That is the kind of woman who is worthy of my support.

>>111925127
If it's not just you being schizo and she's actually willingly avoiding your messages because they come from you then isn't that also proof that she remembers you? Doesn't really help you personally and feels even worse if anything, kek, but for this discussion it is evidence.

>>111925185
aka she doesn't give a shit about you

>>111925127
Look at the dark side, she remembered you enough to know to skip over your messages. Just leave if you notice that happening. Sticking around is just self abuse at that point and there's tons of chubbas to watch who'd vibe better with you.

>>111924382
This anon is right and clearly has 2/3view experience.

>>111925127
normally i'd call you a pathetic cuck but I genuinly feel sorry after reading this
Which vtuber ghosted you like this btw?

>>111925008
> barely doing anything at all
Gurazawasaba still winning

>>111925127
Anonymously
…. She probably would respond if you had a consistent screen name…

>>111925336
he probably meant he donated thru paypal or something to skip giving a cut to youtube,twitch and their manager with a corpotuber

>>111925127
Ouch

>>111923672
after being tricked by shondo I refuse to believe any of these women care about me or any other viewer

>>111926178
They all have their favorites

>>111924585
Chad

>>111924369
I've noticed a lot of people here hate when a streamer gets "too big" and they leave the channel.

>>111925033
I have my chat messages read out loud all the time, you just need to be there since debut and say shit that isnt creepy that she can bounce off of and make content with. Im not even saying ragebait or something to get a reaction, but something that is relevant to the things happening and either funny or interesting.

>>111926474
Eh, it’s understandable if you’re following vtubers for attention and they stop giving it to you as often because they’ve become more popular. Lots of the most frequent chatters are like that - if they don’t get interactions, they lose interest

>>111926852
It's not even about individual chatters so much as it is about the overall interaction. There's a wall that gets put up between streamer and chat after they go corpo and for many of them it becomes entirely one-sided, where she'll yap but won't actually read chat at all whether it's new chatters or old chatters. The content itself shifts away from interaction and towards presentation, and aside from the occasional donation chat stops being "chat" and turns into a silent audience.

>>111926961
>The content itself shifts away from interaction and towards presentation
that's a very concise way of putting it

>>111923672
implying it's like losing a friend is bullshit but it is similar to losing a loyal customer which can matter if you're smaller and only have 5 regular chatters
wonton implying it affects her is bullshit, phase is big enough that they'd only care about an individual leaving if it's a paypig or a clipper

>>111926217
>They all have their favorite paypigs
ftfy

>>111925127
I wrote this but that is why I gave up on her and every time I have the feeling of going back to her I remember why I don't go back

>>111923672
nah it's definitely true, some of these whores have dedicated clippers, artists, ect that dominate their community, obviously this doesn't extend to (You) if you're just a lurker or chatter

>>111927050
>favorite paypigs
why i stopped watching most vtubers the usually superchat or donation are fine but when they keep spamming with tts I give up watching

>>111925127
The golden rule is if you know she is intentionally ignoring you, then just leave. She clearly doesn't want you around and is using neglect to send a message rather than having a groomer mod ban you.

>>111927453
Or, may allah forgive me for speaking their name, mods.

>>111923672
>mimya
most of her new and old fans give up on her frequently with half of the insane talks she has
>shiina
she is extremely parasocial as a former cookie. she does look for her fans intentionally and unintentionally the reason why I left

>>111927474
when the chat is full of mods and vips do not bother watching the stream

>>111923672
Dude, this is legitimately evil, this girl has to know exactly what she is doing, that this will make the the most mentally ill fans feel obligated to always interact and support her even if they are starting to burn out.
Like I am a jewish college student about to graduate in marketing and even I think this a tad too far.

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>>111923672
This you OP?

>>111927534
As long as she sticks to a predictable schedule and doesn't throw 3am guerilla streams at them they can at least plan their life around her instead of spiraling into deep menhera over not being able to be there for her in missed streams.

>>111928075
>spiraling into deep menhera over not being able to be there for her in missed streams.
too many vtubers fall down this path

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>I'm not your gf
>I will throw mentally ill tantrums if you leave though

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>>111924998
>>111924551
>>111924248
>watching vtuber for 3 years since she was a 2view
>wish I was dead
>notice her chat is steadily growing
>more "just came in to drop a superchat" type groomers appearing over time
>mfw afraid someday the old inner chatters like me will be totally forgotten as paypigs ruin it

>>111923672
they might care for 5 seconds if you're super active in the chat but ultimately you are replaceable

>>111923672
>phase connect
so how did this girl cuck her fans?

>>111924320
>I’ve left 2 of my former oshis in the past year who I was quite active with. I wasn’t really as happy with them as I used to be, but I’m afraid of going back to them. How will they react? Will they even want me back? It’s a complicated feeling.
I did this once but was still membered and just showed up in her chat one saturday afternoon when I had been drinking since friday night and she was cool with it.

>>111928307
This was her PL >>111924991

>>111928307
her PL she dropped the word boyfriend and tried to deny it

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>>111923672
She isn't pretending.

>>111923672
>Ugh, onbiously none of these stupid women know who you are, and because of that you should not care about them!
If this is the mentality you have, why are you even on this hobby?

>>111924320
There's a 2view chuuba i only saw a few times months ago, and a couple of times i came across her stream and said something, only for her to remark that she's happy to see me after months. If you simply left without conflict i think things will be aight.

>>111925054
She has never banned anyone.

>>111928289
If you're the old guard you're supposed to become VIP or join the mod team otherwise you will get forgotten.

>>111925150
>>111925087
>And you wonder why we are all mentally ill with abandoment issues
I think OP was giving it way more weight than "Oh, such and such hasn't been here in a while"

>>111927494
>with half of the insane talks she has
Can you share some?

>>111923672
No

>>111928708
she's a good girl and doesn't have any kind of vip discord to groom her or a male mod team.

>>111928368
desu i like this song

By active, they mean, they superchat a lot.

>>111928868
No it literally mean they just chat, even if they're a grey.

>>111923672
mrs wonton saying this is crazy

>>111928843
So why are you afraid of paypigs ruining it then?

>>111928770
https://x.com/kzo1995/status/2025601478337900680

>>111925127
Which chuuba is this? So I know not to waste time on her if I ever come across her stream

>>111929021
>Vtuber has fantasy of being DP'd by sweaty old ugly bastards
Sounds like the perfect girl

>>111929090
She is perfect
https://x.com/rick028_/status/2051346120253616161

>>111929021
kek

>>111923672
I don't think they're pretending at all. Pretty much 95% of viewers don't even interact or type in chat at all, if note even larger % and just have the stream on second monitor or fullscreen/TV.
4% are people that only type if something happens or they ask something from time the time, and the 1% are the turbo loyal autists that always show up on the stream start and type in chat 24/7 carrying the vtuber creating the impression that chat is alive and the girl is talking with chat. Depends on the type of the vtuber, but the ones doing calm talking streams you can look up yourself for 20 minutes that probably couple/dozens of people create most of messages in the chat.
And desu vtubers like it, because they have actually someone to talk to, instead of talking to the void and thinking someone is watching.

>>111928638
The point is the average vtuber doesn't care about (You) as an individual (unless you're a paypig ofc). You can still watch them if you find them entertaining

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>>111923672
>shiina
lol, next nimi is going to complain about being dropped

MAYBE DONT TALK ABOUT CASTRATING YOUR CHAT, OR YAOI/FEMBOYS, YA DUMB WHOORS
this is why i watch henya, the genius, she knows how to be a lady.

>>111924369
>HagMentor
Also known as BondBurger, he's an actual schizo and groomer

>>111926474
In my experience once they reach a certain size they tend to devolve into reactslop and flavour of the month, so there's no point watching them over any other ethot

>>111923672
LOL....no they dont notice or care.

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>>111923672
>youre more than just a random set of numbers and letters!!
youre only worth as much as you are willing to give (for nothing in return ofc) a very active fan doesnt mean much if they have nothing to offer

>>111928307
https://files.catbox.moe/orwru7.mp4

>>111923672
they mean they miss their money idiot

>>111923672
I get parasocial over my viewers... One of them argued with another viewer in chat and I haven't seen him since. I was really sad when I saw the notification that he left my discord and I don't know where to contact him

my oshi is parasocial over her general on this board

>>111923672
You already have retards claiming merely watching streams is parasocial
As if being a clipnigger is better

>>111925127
Yeah thats happened to me too, i just left after no responses.

>>111923672
I think it's pretty common for VTubers to notice their regular chatters, only for one of them to suddenly stop showing up one day leaving the VTuber wondering what happened. dont mean they'll lose sleep over it but they'll still wonder what happened

>>111923672
as a vtuber myself, I would say it's harder not to become a bit parasocial if you're regularly interacting with your audience, however in my opinion "parasocial" is very contextual, I'm still at a size where I know the names of my viewers and where most of them live, their jobs, etc so at that point isn't it just being social?

>>111934363
Uh...well that last part is parasocial

>>111934363
That's not parasocial, that's just social. Parasocial is where you don't know anything about them at all, people that use these terms have no idea what they mean

>>111923672
I believe they get upset. In a "my ego is damaged" sort of way.

>>111934531
that's what I'd argue, if you know a friend online and never meet up in person, but remember a lot about them that's simply being social, is it not? having a friend? what's just a regular interaction with other people with their own agency and what's parasocial? when a vtuber you like reaches over a certain size? when they don't remember a majority of their chatters?
>>111934604
I think the western vtubing sphere is too quick to throw around the term, to almost everyone's detriment

>>111934768
>A parasocial relationship is a one-sided psychological bond where one person feels a deep sense of intimacy, friendship, or connection, while the other party (usually a celebrity, creator, or fictional character) is entirely unaware of their existence
This is the actual definition, if you in any way interact with your viewers as people then its not parasocial

I feel wronged by vtubers all the time. Regardless of whether you think I'm justified in it or not, dropping the vtuber is literally the only power I have, since I can't even complain about it most of the time.

>>111924025
How does someone become a dedicated clipper? They do high quality clips all the time?

>>111934924
Pretty much

>>111928235
Women
And we love that

>>111934976
Damn, low quality clips are much faster. They must be experienced. I can't figure out what zoomers like for their clip hijinks.

>>111935007
Bold annoying moving text, vine booms, shaky cam, slowdown, zoom ins and a load of other cancerous shit

>>111934604
>>111934842
I learned a lot from this posts.

>>111934768
You sound like you're trying to justify taking advantage of your audience.

>>111935038
Good list, don't know what's the appeal.

>>111935158
It appeals to ADHD brainrotted people because it's a ton of shit to fire off their neurons

>>111934721
That's as far as it goes, if at all.

>>111926474
I still watch Clio, she's good for my timezone. I just don't talk in chat anymore because of how that dude acted. But I have seen your case happen.
>>111933508
Yeah, he's still around. Funny enough Clio did delete retweets of his art coms after going corpo. Guess it took Fishman to wise her up

>>111935048
I'll admit I rely on them for company a lot of the time, I don't have very many friends

>>111933508
Why is it called that like he's in bed with her? Isn't he just a fan like any other except he funded art? Or does he influence more things than expected?

>>111935300
No he was acting as her manager when she was still an /asp/ie

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>>111923672
I actually believe it. The content creators are the biggest parasocial fucks in the equation.

>>111924585
Holy cute.

>>111926961
Is this an EN thing? JP doesn't have this issue.

>>111935466
pussy liar

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>>111923672
Phasecucks are such pushovers. No other fanbase would let Shiina get away with being so heavy with her GFE when she has a confirmed boyfriend.

>>111928368
>>111924991
So what was her recipe for wontons anyways?

>>111923672
Retarded op doesn't understand humans day 15784

>>111927534
>Jew
No Bueno

>>111927574
Scottish vtuber?
Stronny? Bimten?

>>111934363
You sound like a nice whore, I wish you the best

I once saw a viewer throw up a 120 month subscription badge to a male fleshtuber on twitch. Jesus fucking christ

>>111937936
Got to be Stronny.

>>111924320
My admitted-to-the-hospital-8-times-in-2-years mentally ill 2 view who I've made myself a regular of and become mod to would probably quit vtubing if she saw i wasn't a member anymore and I'm not sure if she wouldn't kill herself afterwards . She doesn't stream much anymore because she's stressing herself studying but goes live on twitcast often. Her constant hospital admissions stops her streamer activities for months at a time, it's harder to find reasons to stay subbed at all

>>111924585
That's cute.

Genuinely they should never get attached to certain viewers like this. Ideally, chat should all be anonymous because giving anyone special treatment will either create schizos or lead to an actual relationship.

>>111938577
Why do you do it, anon? What keeps you going?

>>111937990
thank you but I'm a guy and prefer not to be called that

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>>111923672
>Shiina

>>111938743
I'd wager that viewer relationship are less than 1% and barely if ever happen.

>>111939136
whyd she do it
and how did phase let it go

>>111924585
This happened to me after I cancelled my payments.

>>111935466
I remember when she did youtube videos. Now all she does is stream on twitch...

>>111923672
I watch a few JP 2views. They do get clingy, especially if they average an audience of like 20 to 30 people.
One held a sololive at a very small venue a few months ago and used a pic of my city as background for one of her songs. Although to be fair, I do superchat her a lot, kek

>>111938826
All men are whores who deserve to get raped in the bussy.

>>111923672
The word parasocial has lost all it’s meaning

>>111939326
Sakana checked her hymen and confirmed it was still intact

>>111939796
Did you go?

>>111938798
Only once has she vented to the point of bawling in the several years I've been a regular and is otherwise a very nice girl. She just got a bit in over her head on some goals and her disappointment in life shows more often. But she still talks energetically to sub 20 people whenever she's live. I couldn't imagine going live after an accumulated year of being told I'm mentally flawed and much less while I'm studying. Her efforts are commendable but her results are pathetic and it sucks all around not being able to do more than cheer her on. But what good are cheers for her when they ultimately turn into reminders of failure? Also, i don't speak a lick of japanese lol

I watch chuubas to get away from clingy women and use them as no-strings attached surrogates for relationships, I don't need them paying this much attention to me.

>>111939976
I appreciate it, anon. I understand and wouldn't know much about what to do either.

>>111923672
this is all preformative. you are a name on a screen, she wouldn't even notice that you left unless you are one of her gigawhales.

>implying you arent a cuck while she laughs at every joke made by her viewer oshi

>>111940105
while true she still reads my comments

>>111940078
Or you start working in her projects with her, through DMs and stuff.

getting passed over as a chatter feels really, really bad, especially if it's consistent. it's enough to want to leave and not come back.

>>111940786
be a normal person

>>111940786
same desu

>>111940908
even when there's dead air and your comment was completely on topic and normal?

>>111939865
I watched the stream.
She actually set up a stream option through bitfan.

>>111923672
I think my oshi would at a minimum graduate if I left and possibly even commit unhappy

>>111923672
Mimya is a man with a voice changer.

>>111923672
Glad I am just a lurker these days and don't bother interacting with chuubas. You are just disposable to them and they will always find someone else that they can interact with. Especially those who jump to corpos.

>>111941767
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/me_e420atGI

>>111927534
Kek

>>111939796
>>111939976
You both sound like good people anons.

>>111923672
Instead of very active fan in the community leaving they mean very active whale that gifts subs and donations leaving.
They only care when it hits their money flow.

>>111929021
holy sexo

I really feel like "parasocial" has lost all meaning in the vtubing sphere. Same with "grooming," to an extent. I see a lot of 2views (literally in some cases) where they've clearly found a small community of like-minded friends and have regular back-and-forth's about their personal lives with each other, and people treat this like the same kinda Perfect Blue situation you get when someone threatens to gouge out a holo's eyes because they did a male collab.

>>111944251
language evolves

https://x.com/Official_Brrat/status/2055947850920427581
>Parasocialism?
Well i guess we are all sharing our oshis and most of our oshis are sharing their fans...
Comrades?
>If only it was that simple! Some are very possessive of their community its not the first time someone hates me over a member who starts watching me too but if you say these tabboo stuff you're kinda seen negatively
I agree indies can be so annoying and possesive then you get canceled for speaking out loud about their parasocialism

>>111929595
>1% are the turbo loyal autists that always show up on the stream start and type in chat 24/7 carrying the vtuber creating the impression that chat is alive.
This is me. I just start feeling sad seeing them check chat and noticing it hasn't moved despite all the viewers.

>>111923672
reminder a dog licked her pussy

>>111924585
Save some pussy for the rest of us mister thundercock

>>111924320
And still no sex huh

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>>111944496
WTF

>>111944251
Underrated post.

>>111935421
It is. I blame the fact these guys don't have a male role model who could have taught hem how to deal with women. Vtube fans fail from the start because they treat vtubers as celebrities so the vtuber returns the favor and puts them into the fanzone. The second mistake they make is leading with their wallets and giving money to people who literally tell them that they will receive nothing of value in return. They fail on a third note as in they think their oshi is a virgin and don't realize the stats and cues to the contrary. These guys try and justify simping by saying that they are so desperately lonely. They put their money on simping as a way to prove they are worthy. The vtube environment is full of exploitation and mental health issues. The men should save their money and buy gym equipment or a sports car instead.

>>111944496
I'm the dog

>>111946423
>male role model who could have taught hem how to deal with women
who could that be for example?

>>111924036
Exactly. They care about popularity and relevance and saying that out loud would mean cancel so "parasocial" instead

Don't care, i'm looking to be entertained and if thats not the case i look somewhere else. Every single vtuber i ever watched turned lazy one or two years into their 'career' meaning they drop schedules, are late to their streams, streams get shorter, streaming days become less, content becomes more and more low effort, games played become more boring etc.
I don't even have high standards, just stream 3-4 hours 4-5 days a week, be funny and stream interesting games.

>>111938522
I hope she misses me.

>>111938826
Whore

>>111944496
She should get knotted on a throwaway livestream platform live

>>111940908
A normal person doesn't watch streams, nor would they ever chat enough to be a regular

>>111947240
I'm not a boy whore

>>111947445
You are.

>>111946423
>treat vtubers as celebrities
As opposed to as friends?

>>111924369
It's amazing how quickly one hyperactive autist can ruin a community.

>>111948062
Don't put hoes on a pedestal retard
If you treat a woman like a princess she will treat you like a subject, a peasant to rule over.

>>111948328
I don't even know what that means. How do you not put them on a pedestal when you're beholden by their rules and etiquette? So what, she's just not perfect and you should tell her what to do better? As if criticism is ever accepted.

>>111947445
If you're not a boy slut, post your design. That should be easy if you're not a whore.

>>111948366
It means you don't treat them like they're better than you.
You don't beg for their approval and attention.
Google how not to put women on a pedestal.

>>111948389
What if she better at somethings than me? Why am I there if not for approval and attention? Or is the begging part that's important not to do? Google had good results I'll give you that.

>>111948328
Women (who aren’t ugly or gross) are better than men, so I like to put them on a pedestal and worship them

>>111948458
>>111948433
The attack on masculinity in society has been devastating for men.
Get some confidence anons.
You can do this by getting fit and strong at the gym and by learning skills from meaningful hobbies and jobs.
Do me a favour. Watch the bear Grylls men Vs women survival island and remember it's not scripted.
That will help you put reality into perspective more clearly.

>>111928289
>3 years of watching and still stuck in chatterhell
You had more than enough time to have shown yourself from a more active side, done community events, chat outside of streams and so on, enough to have your name written in her mind.
I did the same when supported my 2view oshi and it took a couple months for us to become friends and we accidentally ended up in a situationship

>>111924991
>>111928368
jesus. that was funny asf

Amanogawa Shiina
A living grave of mental illness and debt.
No amount of stuffed bees can fill the void in her barren womb.
Her entire existence depends on whether or not one Chinese man or another gets sick of her.
No matter how high the numbers got, nothing could replace the one guy she discarded in a singular woman moment in 2023.

>>111948589
>situationship
A what now?

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If the relationship between the streamer and the viewers stops being entirely one-sided, can we even still call it "parasocial"? That label made sense for fans of celebs in traditional media, but nodaways the line between performers and their audience is so blurry it sometimes even becomes nonexistent entirely.

>>111948771
Good thoughts.

>>111948771
No, man. Relationships always had imbalances and creeps but with streaming people found a word for it. You're arguing semantics.

>>111948642
classic moment

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>>111948384

>>111948771
For me it stops becoming parasocial when they start regularly mentioning me by name/nickname and we talk outside of streams

>>111924025
There are a lot of people that feel bad about leaving a low-view stream they just got in
It's just how empathy works, inherently

>>111923672
Indies, especially smaller indies, absolutely do.
They see you every stream, they see you commenting on Twitter, talking in their Discord, maybe even watching movies and playing games with them.
And you think they aren't gonna form some kind of attachment?

This mentality only makes sense if you only watch corpos.
But even then, if they start to recognize you...

>>111938826
>male vtuber
faggot

>>111924320
They are probably wondering what happened to you and hoping it was nothing bad.

>>111923672
so this is why lumi always responds to the misogynist psychos?

>>111923672
I always research a vtubers past before investing myself into them. Too many times I've dropped vtubers after investing time into them just for PL info to drop and reveal them as horrible people or just hiding a bf.

>>111948750
he means he's a groomer brown shitting up the board because this board is full of retarded filipinos posting dumb bullshit all the time.

>>111948589
Retard

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>>111948833
>mfw you here

>>111934363
agreed, I had the same thought when I saw the original thread on twitter - the line between social and parasocial as the streamer, particularly in the 2-3 view range is really vague. some viewers I know about their girlfriends or their schoolwork, others are new and I know nothing about them and it'd be weird if they approached me as if they did.

If one of the former group went MIA, I would notice (and have previously reached out to DM them asking if they were okay like when one guy left my discord abruptly), whereas the latter I probably wouldn't, because it's probably just due to their own preferences and it'd be weird for me as well to put pressure on them.

I can't speak for all vtubers obviously or the OP tweet, but despite happening to 'all vtubers' to some extent, the experience is a lot different depending on how many people were there in the first place.

I remember the story about going to the italian restaurant you told 5 years ago. I remember the chat. I remember the damn ass minecraft map you were playing. There's a part of my brain that's dedicated to you and there's nothing I can do about it and the moment I stop commenting and giving you more donations I'm a child throwing a toy away preying on your heart and it's all been worthless. *sighhh

>>111949666
It's less about whether you detect their absence and more like if you care about them being there more than the number they give you. Interacting with someone socially and not parasocially doesn't mean that you like or care about them. It's not like people don't come and go out of real life groups.

>>111942252
more attention to me
thanks chump

>>111944251
that's cause no one sane actually cares about pedophilia or groomer stuff
it's been normal for thousands of years in traditions and cultures all over the world
if a woman uses 'groomer' or 'pedophile' as a light insult its a red sign she doesnt care about actual sex 'predators'

>>111948458
>>111948389
>dont put woman on a pedestal
>get permabanned
what now?

>>111948308
How can you learn this power?

>>111949232
worse
he's a tranny faggot who's using female model to bait viewers
I wish I had that guy in front of me so I could whoop his ass

>>111951229
Move on.
If she bans you she clearly didn't like you anyway.
Don't waste time on women that are just using you and don't even like you dumbass.

>>111951229
if you can't figure out how to not put them on a pedestal without doing the weird negging shit a lot of you like to do, thats a skill issue to resolve

>>111951179
your post reads like you should be on a watchlist if you arent already

>>111951653
>you can't inflate their self-esteem!
>but also don't say anything to lower their self-esteem!
>you just cant say anything impactful!
wow so much fun

>>111951886
you realize not every interaction with a person has to be combative or are you too autistic to understand that?

honestly i'd rather they pretend then go and do this >>111924166

>>111952182
Whoops I meant rather than do this >>111924204

>>111923672
A very commited fan that does shit for free is a huge a loss.
Like, people shit on Discord mods and the like but normally they are ones taking names, organizing fan projects and doing other extra stuff that i would never bother with, much less for free.
Believe it or not, one person can make the difference.

>>111952492
This post got me teared up.

>>111951886
Just treat them like the cashier at a store, you autist.

>>111952492
This is why I can never do this kind of thing. I got my own grind I have to take care of and don't have the time to do free work for somebody else.

>>111923672
I have seen my Oshi tell other viewers off for chatting in other girls chats. Not
>You shouldn't chat on other girls streams
Full on
>HEY chatter I saw you chatting in such and such's chat. It's either her or me, pick a lane. If you like her more than you should leave.
Luckily I know she just scrapes the chat of a list of ofther vtubers and searches for fans UNs, if I want to chat to other girls I just chat to 1 views

>>111953994
You know vtubers are territorial. 4 hours in a stream is a long time and you don't want your fans watching other streams. There is also the universal rule you see on every chuuber's description, "do not mention other vtubers unless I do it first"

>>111954074
that rule is more to avoid off topic chatter or drama between fanbases from starting. People will shit up the chat with offtopic in jokes or whatever drama the other vtuber might be involved in like it's relevant at all to the current stream.

>>111934363
no chuuba I watch uses the term properly, to them it equals doxxer/stalker who'll show up at their doorstep. to be fair, almost all of them are at least ESL if not ETL

>>111954074
>You know women are territorial. 4 hours in a stream is a long time and you don't want your men looking at other women. There is also the universal rule you see on every woman's description, "do not mention other women unless I do it first"
Fixed

>>111946666
hi satan

>>111951996
>>111953520
>they don't know

>>111954074
>There is also the universal rule you see on every chuuber's description, "do not mention other vtubers unless I do it first"
this always cracks me up when I watch a chuuba on twitch, you could emote spam as advertisement and they aren't allowed to do shit about it

>>111956266
Do you think your oshi would want you to act like that?

>>111956327
I got her blessing in private

I hope the good eggs here can find an oshi whose interaction is plentiful and not transactional as I have. One that truly values your contributions outside of financials.

men are so easily manipulated, holy fuck

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>>111948498
>The attack on masculinity in society has been devastating for men.
fucking where lol
Masculinity is a social construct to begin with. You're masculine by default just by virtue of having a penis.
Reminds me of the nonsense with basketball where throwing with both hands underhanded "like a girl" has been proven time and time again to be drastically superior for free throws, but players refuse to do it after a season or two of increased stats because it makes them "look like a sissy."
Stop being so insecure.

>>111956609
This post was authored by a female that hates men.

Anon is so buttblasted he can't even fathom the concept of a man secure in his own masculinity.

>>111928327
if you were still membered then how is that the same? you were still payung her, thats all that matters

>>111956609
nta but are you fucking retarded? how do you niggers deny reality on every subject?

>>111956609
This post was too real I see.

>>111929063
All of them

>>111923672
unless you throw money then they aren't going to notice

>>111934842
>as people
To be fair, my oshii is pretty autistic and doesn't treat any of us like people.

>>111956609
Trvke but polcels won't accept it

>>111949307
>investing myself into them
I don't think the problem is "not enough research"

Editor's note: Parasocial doesn't mean romantically interested.

>>111960791
I parasocially hate you

>>111960760
>>111949307
This is always something I always said for people to do. The no face reveal rule be dammed. People want to know who they are supporting and more importantly where there money is going. Sure many are on the level, some may have relationship issues which violate the vtuber code, some may be scammers or grifters, and some may be state assets or terrorist supporters at worst. I find it very suspect that suddenly anons drop redpills on donations and the IRL economy is shit and you hear your chuubers telling you about donations and money all at once.

I apologize for not being fully invested in the make believe of vtubers and falling in love with them to the point that I blindly throw my wages at their feet.

>>111961019
like you're checking their ethnicity?

>>111961059
Sometimes. Latam tubers may be sending money to and from cartels and immigration NGOs. ME tubers albeit rare, may be sending money to terrorist organizations and engaged in money laundering. The US government has already been accused of sponsoring vtubers for recruitment, and then for some the Israel and anti-Israel tubers getting money too. You also don't know how indies donate their money and just like how business founders and CEO's go crazy with "philanthropy" start donating money and supporting strange causes. Reason this comes up for me is because the demographic of men who are preyed upon and who do not know how to tell when they are being milked of resources.

>>111961019
Just watch fleshies then and skip the doxxing step, retard.

>>111923672
This is just another sign that English language vtubing is dying.

>>111961253
Still doesn't reveal the behind the scenes parts. Are we a number on a spreadsheet or are we people?

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vtubers stalking is real
one of mine doxxed herself by listening to my soundcloud

>>111961687
wait you can see who listens to soundcloud? that is so fucking embarrassing what the fuck

>>111961948
There's a setting to disable your account name from their analytics but the artist still sees their city and country I think

>>111961948
There are also the slip ups with accounts too. vtuber forgetting which account she is using and inadvertently gives you the wrong one. The problem with hiding your identity is you have to make a lie to cover the lie you just told. vtubing is amateur deep cover agent shit.

>>111948833
Faggot but cute faggot.

>>111961687
I've actually talked about this topic with a few girls, mostly out of curiosity. Funniest thing i've heard related to this is a chuuba being surprised that spreadsheets are real, and not very rare to see. Retards stopped the girl from talking any further but the fields were more or less what you'd expect
>socials, obviously
>possible identities
>random facts (sometimes used to track those alts)
>schedule, includes when the guy might be available to watch the streams
>job, if revealed somewhere
>last seen, if absent for long enough
>which other girls he watches
>interests, be it games or media in general
I'm not sure which girl she was talking about but i think it was one of the girls that often milks her paypigs. There was a few others that mentioned these things but they've claimed to simply play it by ear, trying to remember what they can but not to that extent.
Its pretty interesting to hear whatever thoughts they have on this subject, if anything. Takes time and effort to get an opportunity to talk about this though.

i watched a 2 view that kept a spreadsheet, she was stupid rich too so it wasn't just for people paying. she got bored though and hardly streams now

>>111965514
doing a bit

>>111926178
What did Shondo do? I know she did or said something that upset a lot of people but I never found out what.

>>111968606
GFE

>>111961687
My oshi got pizza during steam from a chain that only had one in her timezone. The delivery guy was happy to confirm the address for the exact order and time for $20. I was sure he'd hold out for at least 50 but I didn't even have to venmo him up front. I think my cover story was convincing.

1.- As some have already said, some people make themselves not just helpful no they go beyond that they make themselves irreplaceable by being part of every type of project
2.- Statistically speaking, even though most watchers and fans are the type of men the average woman or vtuber would never even dare looking at, statistically there is a Chad bound to appear every thousand or so viewers, these are the guys the vtubers actually stalk

For the vast majority and average viewer, he should not just move on but straight up block and downvote so as to fuck up the algorithm of a vtuber as soon as she does something, even the slightest thing he disproves of

>>111953994
I watch a lot of vtubers that have said this kind of thing but clearly seem to be joking about it, it would be fun to watch one that's genuinely serious about it to the extent she stalks chats.

>>111969957
It's not as fun in real life because of pacing

>>111965514
yuno...

>>111968606
>be a parasocial gfe loli for years upon years
>be able to finally afford a house
>ditch the very fans who funded your house and complain about parasocial fucks

How do you know if it’s gfe?

>>111971130
>lets you call her your gf/wife in chat
>has gf/wife RP ASMR
don't listen to schizos who think every vtuber is GFE, that's just a skill issue on their part

>>111971275
What if it's a joke...

>>111971618
does she give kisses to chat? does she respond in kind to ILY's?
if yes, then she's gfe, and that means you need to run as far away as possible, gfe vtubers are always predatory and know exactly what they're doing.

>>111971831
She does, but usually she engages the ILYs. Is there really no hope? She knows exactly how to pull my heart?

>>111971949
>She knows exactly how to pull my heart?
they all do, anon, gfe vtubers however actively exploit it.
if you really want to fall in love with a chuuba, find a seiso vtuber who doesn't do this shit. be content with what she provides (no doxxshit) and never tell her how you really feel

Nami notices when I'm late or have to miss a day. I keep my Twitter pretty clean of anything but basic interactions with her and her mutuals, so I think I'm in the clear

>>111924551
the chuubas in the OP aren't Holos.

>>111934842
>>111934768
parasociality goes both ways.

>>111956609
>>111960051
>>111960564
Samefag

Women have become extremely good at taking advantage of men's providing nature.

>>111923672
How do I stop being a sensitive young man and just abandon my oshi?

>>111975913
experience life

>>111925127
She was just being a tsundere, bro. Don't give up. She's playing hard to get. but is actually really wet and dripping every time she sees your dono.

>>111975668
Men that are desperate to be providers but are unable to in real life

>>111976231
grim

>>111953994
Sexy as fuck

>>111923672
Is this true? Do chuubas actually get attached to specific chatters? I want it to be true because I don't wanna be watching one with thoughts like "she doesn't actually care about you" in the back of my mind. But if they are pretending, as sad as it may be, I wanna know.

>>111978975
real life women

>>111983642
They do, but usually it's early chatters, artists, clippers, paypigs or mods

>>111984908
Why not late chatters too?

>>111987237
Unless you can distinguish yourself against many more people, some of which have been there way longer, it's unlikely. Gotta be charismatic, funny or otherwise a big personality, average late viewers are just a number

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the days are long and the road is steep

>>111923672
The reason they get sad when very active fan disappears isn't because of being parasocial it's about losing a stream of money.

>>111987845
It can be both anon. It can be many emotions at once, rational and irrational.

>>111987265
>>111987237
You run into a paradox. The less popular a vtuber, the more of her time you can enjoy. The more popular she becomes, the less time she has for you. A vtuber must always grow or perish and you the early fan are a stepping stone. Popularity is the goal because vtubers are still normal girls deep down.

If you come in late, welcome to the fanzone, you will never escape.

>>111988153
>A vtuber must always grow or perish and you the early fan are a stepping stone.
This isn't true, some of the ones I watch have been 2views for like 5 years

Basically a new chuuber is like investing in a startup company with low valuation and over time IPO's and goes to the moon.

>>111988153
>a vtuber must always grow
some just do it for the love of the game and pidgeonhole themselves into streaming very low-view things that they and their viewers enjoy, like all those retro streamers.
There's always a hierarchy within communities, regardless of their size though, and even being an early fan doesn't guarantee anything. It's easier to go down in the hierarchy than it is to go up and if you're not a "very active fan" you'll get overlooked all the same.