>>40998891
Gay faggot shit

>>40998891
Suck each other off

Free masonry obviously.
I don't really need any masonry done but when I do, I'll probably pay them a visit and have them do it for free.

>>40998891
Symbolic rituals. Not any actual magic. Waste of my time even joining up.

Here is the final Redpill on Masonry, there are two pathways into the blue lodge and they happen like this. You are either selected to be part of the public 99% of the masonic body which is basically the same initiation as everybody else, you do the EA initiation and then you become a Master Mason and you learn symbolic allegorical life lessons about morality, character and are given just enough mysticism to keep you entertained. This is all done under the pretense that you are learning deep esoteric knowledge using builds men tools.

This is all fine, it is very straight to the point and the oaths are real, there are modes of recognition and secrets and brotherhood and company, you can rely on these guys for whatever you need in life. This is the hihaiset you will get , if you continue down the separate bodies path you will learn some more stuff in for example the Scottish rite or the royal arch masonry etc. It is all very fun and interesting, but nothing really spooky.

Then there is the 1% club, which also starts at blue lodge, and right at EA initiation it is a massively, and I mean massively different route as it starts right off with blood sacrifice, this is in the very, very, very low chance that you are handpicked (usually right from birth) by other 1% brothers, this usually happens in house to people who come from a long lineage of this, or have been in some very rich and powerful families. This pathway starts right off with an entirely different pathway and you literally make pacts with things far greater than your understanding, this involves a lot of the "magical" things you usually attribute to masonry.

Path 1 is almost everyone in the lodge, Path 2 happens in tiny groups within grand lodges, and in very specific places.

You are likely to never even hear about or cross paths with path 2, so you can just forget about it entirely. Unless path 1 for some reason appeals to you (sitting aside for the rest of your life while actual shit happens in path 2)

>>40999804
Thanks for the qrd. Now sources.

>>40998911
>>40998929
These.

>>40999829
there is usually a schizo that posts 50 links in these threads, he'll come around at some point and dump them I am sure.

The "freemasons" much like the skull and bones basically don't exist anymore. In the past it used be inhabited by the most powerful elites of the world ,even the freaking founding fathers were full blooded Scottish rite Masons.

Ruin society with their Jew overlords. The G really stands for goy.

>>40998891
Redpill me on anglo-american freemasonry vs continental freemasonry
Apparently they don't get along and someone can't be a member of both at the same time.
Usually the scottish rite and shriner branches of anglo-american masonry get the most attention for being degens, but I don't hear much about the continentals.
Are they even worse?

>>40999804
I can confirm this.

I saw a guy with a pyramid tattoo on his neck and he had 3 kids and it just made me sick to my stomach

>>40998891
reminder every mason has had their ass paddled

>>40998891
>What do these guys even do?
They're the local knitting circle of gossips except they're men, they just exist to try and know everything about everyone in their local community. You remember school OP? Remember how there was always a pack of clique of buddies who would cling together and then tell one another who to avoid and who is a weirdo? That's masons but just in adult form. You join them and then you "work the chairs" or whatever. Basically a rank and file hierarchy, and the lowest of them are tasked to be house maid and clean the lodge. Everyone else just parrots the teachings or oaths and commit them to memory. If you can do it blindfolded you get a fake promotion and that means less work for you, more work for the new guy.

>>40999804
Right and they recruit powerful people to the 1%?

>>41000221
Precisely.

>>40999804
I heard this as well

>>40998891
management.
>mana gement
>mana

>>40998935
kekd

>>40999804
what are we to do then?

>>41000711
Nothing, if they want you in the 1% you will go in, otherwise it's a social club for men to dress pretty and do ritual.

It does make you a better man regardless of path

>>40998891
Working it hard and deep.

At the gay bar toilets.

>>41000722
um, I don't want to be in the 1%. I thought that was evident from the fact I am posting on here. I mean what to do in this case, you know?

>>41000722
If by "better man" you mean a kid diddler and a rapist. It makes you such a good man that you even get special privileges and everybody will call you Daddy God-Emperor!

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>>40998891
Hate Jews like their Queen Elizabeth before them?

>>40998891
Puppets of Satan

>>41000153
And penetrated by their brothers

>>40998891
My Grandfather was one. We found out at his funeral when his lodge mates kind of pushed the minister out and took over the ceremony. Not even my grandmother knew.

All I know for sure is that they have a book of sanctioned jokes and most of them are old pub jokes written in church speak which saps the humor from them.

>>40998891
discord IRL

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>>40998891
very scary just look at this makes me shi my pants

>>40999804
can I be a nobody mud blood and still be handpicked? maybe some old dude found me interesting or attractive? haha

>>41001925
yeah, no one there seems to be under 65

>>40998891
Oh joy. Another Freemason thread where people talk about shit they dont understand.

>>40999804
source?

>>40999804
>You are likely to never even hear about or cross paths with path 2, so you can just forget about it entirely
If this is the case, how did you come to your knowledge about path 2?

>>40998891
All of their degree ceremonies have been leaked online. An entire dictionary of their lexicon and terms exists for anyome to download. Free. And yet you faggots would rather talk shit instead of reading this stuff. They are OK people. Im not one, but there are far worse evils in the world than a glorified college fraternity that dabbles in magic.

>>41002086
>All of their degree ceremonies have been leaked online.
>All
lol

>>41002252
They literally have you complete faggot. Look for them.

Why don't they do just prostate massage by themselves, why they need to fuck each other in the ass?

Freemasonry is a lot of Pageantry. They perform genuine Plays, actual Theater. In order for you to climb the ranks, you need to know everyone's rules in the Rituals; who stands where, who says what to who, when and what direction they face, what they wear and have in their hands, etc. Once you know the entire routine, you can ascend the ranks and get proceeding initiations.
At the top, they'll teach you more of the history and expose you to larger networks. Yes, they have arms that fiddle with Politics, particularly local Politics. They do a lot of networking with each other, mostly local small businesses. Most of them are just boomers who wanted to have a spoopy book club to join so they could feel like they're in some special group.
They are all Christian to some degree and most of them have a very focused Christian Mysticism background. Martinism is a huge flavor of Christian Mysticism for them. They'll all have a good grasp of Theosophy (Bohme not so much Blavtasky, although that's around too).
They'll all try to claim that Freemasonry was around before the Templars, but they're really just derivative.
Look into the Pythagorean Cults sometimes and you'll see where the general paradigm came from.

>>41003036
Only the Knights Templar rank of the York Rite requires that you be Christian, the others just require you to be some type of monotheist

>>41003102
I know a lot of people suggest this, but it's pretty uncommon for someone to not be Christian. The reason isn't why you'd readily think though - it's more because they're perennialists and consequently see Jesus as a recent(ish) Mythical figure, not necessarily through a traditional Christian lens, such as that prescribed by a particular Church/Denomination. Sure, you may not see them as "Christian", but that's because you don't understand what Freemasonry is, where it comes from, what Christianity really was or why they're related. If you'd like to understand more, you'll learn about the Refrigerium, why both Proto-Christians and Freemasons both spent so much time hidden and why they both like to talk a lot about Dionysus or Mithras.

>>40998891
Have you ever heard of the Greek-Egyptian mysteries? Well, the mysteries were everywhere, including in the Middle East. Freemasonry came out of the mysteries of Dionysus (Osiris) and their analogues. All blacksmiths and masons (builders) were members of them

Notice how the mysteries are complicated, confused and how much symbolism and signs there were, the Masons continue to do this. In the Phoenician History of Philo it is said that Thoth-Hermes-Mercury personally founded the mysteries, gave knowledge and introduced the worship of snakes and dragons
(The Romans identified Odin and Lugh with mercury. There is a possibility that Quetzalcoatl is the same Mercury)

https://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof08.htm

>>41003131
Might as well call Muslims Christians then, since they view Jesus as a holy prophet

>>41003209
Do you always get all bothered and jump to conclusions like this? Why the reduction to absurdity? Freemasons are distinctly housing modern Gnosticism, anon. Is that what you needed me to say? How did you think Gnosticism got to the modern world? Isn't it obvious?
>>41003196
>Freemasonry came out of the mysteries
That's really very vague though it is accurate.
>Dionysus (Osiris)
They're definitely not the same guy, just so you know.
>All blacksmiths and masons (builders) were members of them
Of the Mysteries? Anon... come on. The Mysteries were largely about Oration, getting really high and having people teach you about Music, Poetry and other Arts. Surely you understand why all of these subjects in the ancient times were attributed to Divinity and being Divinely Inspired.
>(The Romans identified Odin and Lugh with mercury. There is a possibility that Quetzalcoatl is the same Mercury)
Odin and Lugh are distinctly related through the Eye symbolism, which they share with Hours and Jesus (Revelation). All of these deities in question, maybe with the exception of Horus, have significant Language paradigms and as such relate to the Arts.

>>41003270
>absurdity
Labels have meanings, sorry.
When you try to convince people that Masons are Christians, people will obviously assume you mean a type of orthodox Nicene Christianity, not a set of relatively obscure heretical sects that the Church denounced and tried to repeatedly eradicate from the time of the birth of Christianity up through the 1200s.
Solely having Jesus as some figure in your belief system does not make it Christian in the common parlance. So saying that Muslims are as Christian as Gnostics are is not absurd, it fits your description perfectly.
>should I have said gnostic?
Yes, you need to be specific unless you are purposely trying to be deceptive

>>40998891
Social club for old farts

>>41003383
>a set of relatively obscure heretical sects that the Church denounced and tried to repeatedly eradicate from the time of the birth of Christianity up through the 1200s.
Listen to yourself. Isn't it obvious?
>Solely having Jesus as some figure in your belief system
The issue with this shit is it's so insultingly uninformed. It's like you've genuinely read none of the material, not knowing about all of the persistent biblical references, but expect me to not call you out on it when I bring up how ridiculous your criticisms are.
If you don't know much about Christianity, why even attempt this to begin with?
>Gnosticism isn't Christianity.
I highly advise you actually read the texts, study how early Christianity developed and be honest with everyone about this. Are you some Vatican shill or something? Just how audacious are you going to be here?

>>40998891
Mostly, it's well-off old guys larping, at least that's the "myteries" part. But really people (by which I mean older members' cringe sons) join to network and fundraise to local charities.

Some Italian lodges are mob fronts though.

>>41003459
I'm not talking about which sect is correct or incorrect, I'm talking about the importance of being very clear and precise with your definitions when you are speaking to others.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt before, but now I get the feeling that you WERE trying to be deceptive after all, which is why you are getting so flustered at being called out, ignoring the main point I'm making and deflecting furiously

>>41003523
>I'm not talking about which sect is correct or incorrect, I'm talking about the importance of being very clear and precise with your definitions when you are speaking to others.
Yes you are. This rhetoric seeks to disqualify Gnosticism. You're trying to paint a very broad line between Gnosticism and Christianity. The issue is you cannot and what I'm explaining is the exact reason why you cannot.
>you are getting so flustered at being called out
No, we're just having a textual disagreement. What's the point of trying to frame things this way? You're getting so defensive because I've pointed out the absurdity you repeatedly retreat to. You haven't even familiarized yourself with the fundamentals, but you have the audacity to come here and lecture me about how "Gnosticism isn't, like, real Christianity". That's entirely absurd to be attempting in a thread about Freemasonry. Get a fucking grip.

>>41003678
>we're just having a textual disagreement
>what's the point of trying to frame things this way?
>you're getting so defensive
>do you always get all bothered?
More deflection and projection
>Gnosticism isn't, like, real Christianity
In the common parlance, it isn't. Why are you so against being clear in your speech? It's as if you want to lead others astray

>>41003270
>They're definitely not the same guy, just so you know.
It's the same guy

Btw
The Greeks wrote that Balarama is Dionysus
Krishna(Harekrishna) = Hercules

and
Balarama is too similar to the Sumerian Ninurta

>>41003730
>In the common parlance, it isn't
That's a fun appeal to consensus and all, but I just simply do not care. I again suggest you merely visit another thread.
>>41003846
There are important differences between Osiris and Dionysus. Dionysus, as far as I remember, doesn't have story about building Civilization, traveling to far away places on a boat and showing people how to grow barley. Quetzalcoatl and Osiris did, however. Did Dionysus ever get described as having red hair? I don't remember that either.
But I do understand what you're doing and why. I simply argue they're separate figures but similar archetypes. Dionysus doesn't resemble a Bodhisattva based on my read, but Osiris certainly does.

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>>40998891

Reminder Masons; that the worthy slain Master Mason can be patroned by the Valkyrie, the choosers of the worthy slain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIuPagYDBwE

>>41003884
>i simply do not care
Yes, you clearly do not care about presenting things unambiguously to others and are instead happy to risk their confusion and misunderstanding

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>>41003102

Monotheism is not a requirement of Free and Accepted Masons, rather only belief in a Supreme Deity and/or "Supreme Architect of the Universe", of which several meanings may apply including them not being the same being, and regardless of whether it be a God or Goddess.

>>40998891
>What do these guys even do?
I have no idea but it looks lame as hell
but I know they make business together and probably faggotry

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>>41003884
>There are important differences between Osiris and Dionysus. Dionysus, as far as I remember, doesn't have story about building Civilization, traveling to far away places on a boat and showing people how to grow barley. Quetzalcoatl and Osiris did, however. Did Dionysus ever get described as having red hair? I don't remember that either.

Bro... these are the same civilizers/gods. Do you even know that myths are deliberately confused? In the same Phoenician History of Philo it is said that Mercury confused the myths and instructed the priests to do this, nevertheless leaving some clues. Dionysus in myths traveled all over the world, the Greeks themselves said this

Think about why the gods of the Aztecs and Mayans were associated with jaguars and why Dionysus rode jaguars
1 second to think
in the mysteries Dionysus was equated with Osiris

Seth was described as red
Indra
Thor
gods of thunder
Shiva was described as red (Rudra, similar to Apollo. Sometimes Hercules and Apollo were identified, for example, Luwian S)

There is the most important myth - fratricide between the gods (civilizers), but it is difficult for me to unravel the tangle because some confusion arises, but in the Vedas Indra kills Krishna and all his wives (a direct hint at the Puranic Krishna). The myth is very confusing, it is difficult for me to give a clear answer who is who, but there are not many gods, most of the pagan pantheon is one and the same god under different names.

Susan no mikoto = Baal by the way was described as red-haired with a bull's head and was expelled from heaven

>>41004065
Dionysus
Osiris
Ninurta
were associated with a plow
Dionysus and Ninurta were also associated with donkeys, which brings them closer to Seth, but confusion arises. And yes, Indra was also identified with Hercules, in which case in the Vedas Hercules kills Hercules, but this is obviously stupid.
>The first of all, says Sankhunyaton, to write this down, as the god Taaut commanded them, were the seven sons of Sidikus, the Cabiri, and their eighth brother Asclepius. Fabion, the most ancient hierophant of the Phoenicians who ever lived, transmitted all this to the Orgeons and chief interpreters of the mysteries, giving it the form of allegories and mixing it with the universal phenomena of nature. They transmitted it to their successors and to strangers, trying with all their might to increase the obscurity of the story. Among these latter were Eisirius, the inventor of the three letters, the brother of Hna, who later received another name of Phoenicus.

https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc830073.html
https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc837168.html

and Quirinus is most likely connected with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydyk

there is a possibility that Sydik = Luwian Šanta
he is also close to Susano because he also had 8 children (princes)

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>>41003920

"Mason, you were asked what you most desired.... your answer?"

>Yes, the Light of the Valkyrie is a legitimate request..... and something that can be granted to the worthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAKTQ6t7pzE

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>>40998891
Serve

>>41004111

What do you call the Jews who are Freemasons then anon?

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>>40998891
>>41004111

>>41004111

>.... and here I thought Free and Accepted Masons were Free Masons.....

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>>41004153

Yet, regardless of what they build here; they'll never have my eternity.

>>41003927
Yes I am. Now move along.
>>41004065
>Do you even know that myths are deliberately confused?
Actually I do.
>Think about why the gods of the Aztecs and Mayans were associated with jaguars and why Dionysus rode jaguars
Oh it's a lot more than you seem privy to. Dionysus did in fact ride a panther, but did you know Jesus' father was named "Pantera"? Did you know the Ibogaine's Avatar is the Panther?
As I said, I see your point, I see why the Titans tearing Dionysus to pieces, just like Set separates Osiris into pieces, is similar. I also see why both of them dying and coming back to life is similar and I understand plenty more about the stories. Yes, sure, I understand Dionysus to, at least to some degrees, be a seafarer, but the specific themes weren't quite so similar between them and I pointed out some areas where the overlap gets blurry on purpose. I do recognize them as distinct, but I enjoy exploring their overlap, just like you do. I don't reduce them to "they're all the same", however.
>Shiva
>red
Nah, it was a Blue or a Green. It's really an important distinction to be clear.
>fratricide between the gods
It's not that complicated. There were differing approaches and the tribes separating made it hard to all be on the same place. It wasn't just a proximity issue, it was about resources and how to balance what their constituents expected and what they were able to offer. All it took was a few good floods for things to really unravel.
>there are not many gods
>everyone is the same guy
Get over yourself.
I love comparative mythology, but even I draw lines sometimes.

>>41004111
the jannies who do it for free now bend over

>>41005108
Took you over 3 and a half hours to come up with that one?
Well, at least you admit to spreading deceit and half-truths
>move along
No, I don't think that I will

>>41005179
Are you really just hanging around here ensuring no one talks about Gnosticism in a thread about Freemasonry? It's not that hard to read any of the limitless books being written about them and realize their big thing is Gnosticism.

>>41005190
I have no problem with Gnosticism.
As I've said many times already, precision of language is what's important when discussing these things.
If someone says they'll give you $100000 if you let them shine some light on you for 2 hours, most people would accept. If after the fact you find out that the light in question was specifically emitting strong x-ray frequencies, you would likely have chosen differently.
While x-rays are a type of light, by not being specific enough you can trick people into dangerous situations
Half-truths

>>41005108
>Nah, it was a Blue or a Green. It's really an important distinction to be clear.
He had red hair, I mean Shiva

>I love comparative mythology, but even I draw lines sometimes.
The ancients did it themselves, the Babylonians reduced most of the Sumerian gods, for example, by removing the unnecessary ones.

In any case, there is a certain personality, . Odin is obviously Shiva, he also introduces the cremation ritual. Hercules, Seth are also burned. Luwian Santa also burned himself.

The Wicker Man is related to this

https://mikespassingthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/some-thoughts-on-the-accounts-of-the-norse-god-odin-as-a-man/
Odin kills himself with a spear at the end of his life and is burned. Before his death, he says that he will go to other peoples. Quetzalcoatl (Cē Ācatl Topiltzin) also burns himself (notably, his twin brother is a dog). I think Quirinus is also connected with this

I assure you that all the shit is real and there is one person who has been everywhere, and she established pagan cults

btw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votan
>F. Núñez de la Vega, bishop of Chiapa, says, in the preface to his Synodal Constitutions, that in the visit which he made to his diocese towards the end of the last century [i.e. the late 1600s], he found many ancient calendars of the Chiapanese, and an old manuscript in the language of that country, made by the Indians themselves, in which it was said, according to their ancient tradition, that a certain person named Votan was present at that great building, which was made by order of his uncle, in order to mount up to heaven; that then every people was given its language, and that Votan himself was charged by God to make the division of the lands of Anahuac.
>In his account, Bishop Núñez de Vega also states that Votan belonged to the royal lineage of "Cham" and that he established a kingdom called "Na Chan" (Snake House) (default shit. reptiles are real. all myths scream about it)

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>>41005281
>Anahuac is the ancient core of Mexico. Anahuac is a Nahuatl name which means "close to water." It can be broken down like this: A(tl) + nahuac. Atl means "water" and nahuac, which is a relational word that can be affixed to a noun, means "close to."
Atl+nahuac = Atlnahuac = Atlantis

Ahuizotl = Telchines

they were believed in even in modern times

and no, all the myths about werewolves are not about ordinary dogs, they are specifically about water dogs
(few people pay attention to how people described reptilian creatures, they do not understand why dogs were associated with the underworld, water and why dragons literally have the heads of dogs)

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>>41005317
>>41005328
OOOOPS

>>40998891

freemason - fs are mone - FAS care money
boaz- bo za - boy zap

kill and rape kids, fund cities