This is something I've been thinking about recently, how these men and women who behave as if God exists but paradoxically choose to oppose him for the sake of material gain and power over the earth. It seems irrational at first, but I've realized something that is a bit horrible; God loves everyone. From Jeffery Dahmer to Mao Zedong to the Clintons. That means that they can be forgiven. As long as they sincerely apologize before the end of their lives, and considering their positions it isn't likely that their deaths would be sudden, they are still totally eligible for grace and an eternity in heaven. They can sin their entire lives, betray their people and all of humanity, commit the most morally reprehensible acts mankind is capable of behind closed doors. As long as they eventually come before God with a contrite heart, they Get In anyway. What do you make of this?
>>41027186No, that's not why they aren't afraid. They actually believe they are still doing God's will.
>>41027186The idea that "being more virtuous = better reincarnation next life" is backwards, and the top-bloodlines have realized this.If this existence is meant to be a training ground for the virtue building of souls, then think of it in terms of weight training. Heavier load = harder life, lighter load = easier life.If someone fails miserably at a 200lb bench press, the trainer wouldn't increase the weight to 300 next time, they would decrease it. If they complete the exercise with ease, next time they'll put more weight on the bar.Similarly, if someone fails at being virtuous in a life, they'll be put in an easier life the next time around, and if they manage to grow and maintain virtue, then they get a more difficult life in the next cycle. And only after you manage to maintain exceptional virtue in the most hellish life possible do you pass the test and "ascend".The rulers of this earth don't want to ascend, they want to live here eternally in extreme luxury. So what do they do? They commit the most evil acts possible again and again, and as a result they keep reincarnating into the most powerful and wealthy positions. And since the top elites are relatively few in number compared to the general population, they're likely to keep reincarnating into the same families over and over and therefore are able to record and hold on to more generations of past-life memories than the average pleb who gets shuffled back into the whole deck each time.
>>41027199Elaborate
>>41027186The god of this world is Satan. 2 Cor 4:4One of a few Gnostic truths they forgot to scrub from the canon.
I'm not sure why so called Christians care what they're doing anyway. The fucking Bible tells you not to. You believe in God? Good. If you think what the oogie boogie scary Satanists are doing makes a difference, then you don't truly believe.
>>41027199Yaweh = SatanSatanic ELite = Jews
>>41027228You're fucking retarded that's not what that verse means. The ruler of the material world is Satan, God is still in charge of reality itself.
>>41027186It's because they know it isn't real. These are the people who invented the religions.
>>41027224>>41027235
>>41027234Because I hate them and want them to face justice obviously. I don't even want them in heaven. I want them to be trapped in hell forever.
>>41027186Because they know Hell is fake, unlike the religious retards they have duped into following their gay blood cult.
>>41027238>>41027246This is like assuming that criminals commit crimes because they know jail isn't real
>>41027254How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>41027237>You're fucking retarded that's not what that verse meansI love when Christians bicker over petty shit, gives me life. Keep arguing.
>>41027254Jail is finite, even if you die in thereHell is eternal (according to some)Hardly an equal threat
>>41027237>The ruler of the material world is Satan, God is still in charge of reality itself.If God is the ruler of satan then that makes him the ruler of the material world too.
>>41027260I wouldn't be that hungry because I had a large lunch. Also you are just saying an internet thing without knowing what the things means or it's use cases>>41027265That isn't relevant to the point at all. The possibility of punishment only works as a deterrent for negative behavior if>A. The criminal has no way to circumvent the punishment Or>B. The criminal doesn't care about the punishment, whether out of stupidity or indifferenceMost criminals who end up in prison fall into option b, a minority of very powerful and influential people into option a. The spiritual equivalent of option b is someone of a reprobate mind. Someone who is simply idiotic and morally rotten, basically an orc. The spiritual equivalent of option a is the elite we're discussing. I don't really care to hear that they don't believe God exists, because there is no force in contemporary society that they resist more desperately. He is obviously real to them to some extent.
>>41027237What do you mean, that's basically what he implied
>>41027303You are misunderstanding the original point of >>41027238. The people who we are talking about literally invented the concept of Hell, they are the priest class. They don't just "know Hell isn't real", they created the concept.
>>41027279Yeah and he's your ruler as well. But when you do your job, (assuming you're employed) does he reach down and start doing it instead? It's called the distribution of labor, my friend. Mankind was originally intended for the position Satan currently occupies.
>>41027309You're fucking stupid go smoke a joint faggot
>>41027186Matthew 25:>When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. >Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. >...Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
>>41027308No it isn't. He was saying that the gnostic idea of God is correct, and that it was somehow left in the Bible on accident or something. That is, God is Satan. Yaldabaoth.
>>41027316>HURRR YOU ARE STONER GO OUTSIDE ATHEISTI guess I win.
>>41027325Let's hope.
>>41027223That logic only works for a limited time. Ultimately those souls get thrown in the lake of fire.
>>41027345You're deeply confused.
>>41027199This, and they believe they are doing it for the benefit for the rest of us. They believe they are on a mission from God. The more evil and perversion in the world, the greater opportunity we have to overcome it. They think it's assisting our spiritual growth and God will reward them greatly for their service
>>41027346If you like
>>41027186>>41027199>>41027238Wrong. They think they owe their success and wealth to hellish powers.Being vastly elevated above most other humans, without having really done anything to earn it, is mentally stressful.Just being born into fame and wealth necessitates some kind of "reason." Else they can't comprehend why they are "special."Most people would use mainstream religion to soothe that dissonance. But, of course, most mainstream religions would also ask you to give up some of that wealth to help others.There's only one semi-organized religion on earth which openly encourages avarice and supremacy while also recommending secrecy and decadent rituals.
>>41027244>You have heard that it was said, ‘Love >your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ >44 But I tell you, love your enemies and >pray for those who persecute you,>If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins >are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, >they are not forgiven.”>And forgive us our debts,>As we also have forgiven our debtors.>For God sent not His Son into the world >to condemn the world, but that the world >through Him might be saved.
>>41027376No I'm really not>>41027228There is no way to interpret this post besides him saying that God is Satan and he confirms as much here>>41027235
>>41027199>They actually believe they are still doing God's will.Everything that happens is ultimately God's will, but that's no reason not to be afraid of Hell.>Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! (Mt 18:7)
>>41027413That's an incredibly stupid thing to believe considering the book they base their entire existences around condemn evil men repeatedly and say that their only reward is eternal hellfire
>>41027438>No I'm really notYes, you are.
>>41027186Because they believe that satan or baal or whatever will hold favor over them because they're practicing dark magic for them.
>>41027431>They think they owe their success and wealth to hellish powers.Which goes back to OPs question, why aren't they afraid of divine justice (which is far from an exclusive belief of Christianity)? No they think they are justified, that they are the real "good" guys.
>>41027455Cool man whatever you say
>>41027458>They think that the most malicious being in the entire universe will be nice to them because they approach less than a percentage of the evil he commits on the earth daily >They think they won't just immediately go to hell and get tortured just as badly as anyone else for eternity Retards
>>41027438I am not the anon who posted that bible verse, even if we might possibly agree on some things… God is God, Yaweh is Satan, Yaweh is not God.
>>41027479>RetardsOr maybe the claim that they worship Satan is an over simplification of their beliefs. If nothing else I have heard Satanists say Satan is the omnipotent one not "God". The idea that intelligent Machiavellian psychopaths would worship a rebel creation of an omnipotent force makes no sense.
>>41027432Forgiving them feels deeply spiritually wrong
>>41027451The "Satanic Elite" OP is referring to think they are above that book. Their group is on a contract
>>41027513Why doesn't it? We're already assuming they're sociopaths. >>41027667Well they're wrong
>>41027762If there is one thing the elite respect it is Power. They would never worship a lesser entity opposing a significantly more powerful one (much less an omnipotent one). At least knowingly.
>>41027186They know this is hell, they run it, they operate it, to them it is their heaven. They wipe your memory upon coming here so that you would not know the truth, because if you had the awareness of what this place actually is, you can would not be so easily mislead and managed as cattle. They also established the religions. Funny how people quote scriptures from a demon book that demands subservience and outward worship to a parasite. You would know this parasite as god
>>41027186They know that Abrahamicism is reductionist and there are many afterlifes they could get into, not just two.
>>41028241I agree. Unfortunately, they are also very stubborn. Satan also respects power. However, the most powerful being in the universe respects mercy and kindness. This is antithetical to how he sees things, and them as well. So they are comfortable being second best, if that, while pretending to be right. If God wasn't who and what he is, then they genuinely would be correct. But He isn't.
>>41028300>Satan also respects power.If that was true why would he start a rebellion against an omnipotent force? Seriously no matter how justified he felt if he was smart he would have sucked it up and continued to serve.>they are comfortable being second best,That would be a first for them. No someway, somehow, they think they are going to win. Maybe they are delusional but there is no way the standard Christian thinking that they are knowingly serving a being destined to lose and thrown into a lake of fire (along with his minions) adds up. Satan is supposedly the master of lies, so maybe he spun a story.
I'm pretty sure the bible is so revised it might as well be fiction at this point
>>41027186The elites are Anti-Gnostics: they believe in the Gnostic cosmology/framework, but instead of trying to escape this prison temple of the Demiurge and reunite with the Monad like a typical Gnostic would, they want to help the Demiurge build up his reality temple (through the spread of materialism, athiesm, one-world surveillance state government, etc) until it is utterly inescapable. They expect to rule in this Hell as his lieutenants rather than serve in heaven.What theistic Satanists are to mainstream Christians, the elites are to Gnostics
>>41028427If that is true they would also support pro-demiurge religion (I.E exoteric Abrahamism).
evil mean to works for evil for enterinment they and because they have wealth to dismantle their system of punishment as a hulilituion ritualits because they don't get pusnishment in life because they know all the psychical plan they think its the same in the after life bt its the inversionlol lamo which is why evil and darkness maxxing folks always g et rekt at the end of life and god to hell. the siimple fact is they don't care an d never did the copes they say here are masks they wear when in fact opposing is different kind of joy they want to be divine aka master of the material as a living archon.they want attachment and reincarnation they want daemonhood they want all the power they can get and live long and strongthey are divine femaninebut no masulinity at all.which is why jesus said its its easier for a camel to go though the eye of a neddle then a rich men, he was referening attachment.the more attachments you have in this world the more sin your create just to keep it.caused by the daemon of greed and the deamon of powertheir illness is a illness of wickedness the seed of hell it self.
>>41028465You gotta work on your English skills bro.
>>41028427so what do they do til then? Soul Transfer? Elixir of life from the blood of sacrificed newborns?
>>41028483They get good slots in the soul recycler.
y'all are way too fucking artistic.elities worship creation. the OODA loop. the ability to mold the world with a pondering mind and opposeable thumbs. they find they are more spiritual when they act closest to God's image: one of creation.
Because the more you sin the less logical you become"Deceiving and being deceived bla bla"Also it's a lot easier for Dahmer to repent than some guy who hasn't been caught yet. How are you supposed to even preach the gospel - which is a requirement, when your reputation is that negative? At that point the only option is suicide. For Dahmer it's diff cuz he's already in prison for life and could at least try to convert some crazy people. It would be harder for someone with his reputation to 'become Christina' outside of jail. He actually did convert, but that could have been a lie to appease his Christian father"For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed"
>>41027228>>41027237It’s actually “the god of this AGE”, not world.
because they are astrotheologists, they probably do not believe in free-will either, so they do what they do. they worship saturn and venus, baal and minerva. they are babylonian not abrahamic.
>>41028453This guy thinks the elites dont support abrahamism jej
>>41028841Fake and gay.
>>41027186Everyone here is being super retarded with this, the answer is simple.Through their own hubris they've convinced themselves it's not real. They're atheists. They think it's just nothingness after they die, that's why they engage in extreme hedonism in the now because they know it's short lived.
>>41028869hows it fake and gay you idiot, paganism is the standard in fact, and paganism is astrotheology, its so normal, it makes sense that they do not believe in Christianity morality template and instead believe in something babylonian and late egyptian-esque which is by all means down to principalities or celestial deities/bodies
>>41028375>Why did Satan do itI already told you. Irrational self destructive behavior. It's a larp.>Why do elites do itPossibly the same reason but yeah I don't doubt they've been lied to either
>>41027186It seems irrational because it is irrational you fucking idiot.This is like trying to figure out why a druggy goes off on authority. They hate anyone trying to stifle a good time. God, to them, stifles their fun by trying to reign in things for them to do to function. It's why hedonism is the easiest call for satanists. "bon vivant, worry about it tomorrow" but they'll piss and whine about their problems never be solved like there is no tomorrow.So they aren't afraid of going to hell? Okay. That doesn't mean they are getting into positions of power. This is like hearing some retard joining a pyramid scheme and thinking he is going to game the system as he pays all his money in.Don't be like them. Stay your course and don't get in the way.
>>41028488>They get good slots in the soul recycler.do they still get brainwiped?
>>41028890A lot of people know God is real and still do evil thingsAtheists have the notion that if they knew God was real they'd serve him with all their heart, soul, mind and strength. That isn't how in works in practiceMany people become even more evil than they were after realizing God is realA lot of peoples existence is rebelling to established authority (parents etc) what does that become when you believe the ultimate authority is God?
>>41029066>That isn't how in works in practiceThere's no way to actually demonstrate this because you can't actually prove God is real.If you took an atheist, showed them proof of God's existence, did this to a thousand other atheists for an adequate sample size, then you could see if your words hold truth.
>>41029092It's not about proving Gods existence, it only matters that you believe God is realMany people that are atheists believed in God at one point in their lives; in fact this was the norm until very recentlyLook at how they lived while they 'believed in God'. Did they have the fervor of Paul or some other apostle? No. Most of them didn't give a fuck
>>41029149Yea belief in God has basically 0 correlation to being a good person.
>>41029059They don't get to 100% keep their memories but they do get advantages like remembering certain key information.
>>41029052The elites aren't like the dumb guys in state prison with undeveloped prefrontal cortex's.
>>41027223>And since the top elites are relatively few in number compared to the general population, they're likely to keep reincarnating into the same families over and over and therefore are able to record and hold on to more generations of past-life memories than the average pleb who gets shuffled back into the whole deck each time.To me this sounds less like reincarnation and more like some advanced form of total and complete ancestral demonic possession
>>41029250It's a human spirit that reincarnates but they do also allow powerful entities to possess them.
>>41027186They don't believe in a literal God/afterlife. It's just something to separate themselves from the normie abrahamic/atheist cattle.
>>41029092It's written in the book, they subconsciously know God exists because they were created, but they suppress the truth in unrighteousness
do you think forgiveness means that god says it's okay and you get to do whatever your were doing before? no, forgiveness requires change to happen. otherwise it is useless, for someone like the Clintons, or Mao, or Dahmer is means giving away everything they have. all the power, wealth and fame they used to have and even more. their limbs would be torn away from them and they would be sent to repent in a cave somewhere far away and to feel every bit of pain they had ever caused a thousandfold (if even that is enough). god can forgive you, but it does not mean he's going to let you go that easy if you give him the chance. and no, the elites are not afraid of going into hell. they are dumb enough to think that they would rule there.
>>41027186If they know God and still choose to do evil, they are just reprobates. It's why Satan hasn't regretted being a demon after perpetually losing battles to God, because he has no regrets, nor does he feel guilt. He's aware he loses in the end but still follows the script out of spiteI assume that his servants are all the same
>>41029282I intuitively feel there is a "God" but the Bible is just a bunch of old stories written by desert barbarians who knew nothing about him.
>>41027235Retarded gnostic faggot
>>41029298The fact that God beats Satan so hard, the fact that he has to give him a break and let him rule the earth unchallenged for seven something years before he completely gets rid of him so he could feel better about being an absolute ultimate loser says a lot
>>41029036If Satan is really that retarded, was his rebellion really an act of free will?
>>41029149>No. Most of them didn't give a fuckThat is obviously not true lol people are much more immoral and selfish now that society is more or less secular
>>41029332Yeah. Satan isn't stupid which is what makes it worst. He knew better and chose wrong anyway. It was a stupid decision made by someone created to be extremely intelligent. He betrayed himself when he betrayed God.
>>41029362Boomers were just better at hiding skeletons in their closets.
>>41029370And in the thousands of years since his regret hasn't made him rethink this?
>>41028300>Satan also respects power. However, the most powerful being in the universe respects mercy and kindness. This is antithetical to how he sees things, and them as well.I am honestly interested by the power dynamic of biblical beingsIf I remember things correctly>God/Jesus, Angels, and SaintsAre all a collective although they are many because nothing that they do doesn't get approved without consent of the father, so by proxy because God is omnipotent, he can use his servants as a vessel for his omnipotence as well. This class is clearly the most powerful of them all. >The Destroying Angels Although whether these Angels are truly one of those still in heaven, or if they are fallen like the demons is a mystery but one thing can be certain, there are some angels who role is to lay waste and death, as evident by several mentions of angels of death in the bible. There are also the four angels bound at the bottom of the Euphrates river bound in chains, and preserved for the events of the apocalypse where they will slay a third of man kind. To me this indicates that some of these destroying angels are fallen, however they did not get cast into the abyss like Satan and the others did. My theory for this is that perhaps these angels were cast out when they witnessed the corruption of man kind by sin, they could not bear or tolerate it and lost their mercy for mankind. Hence why they are bound in chains, and the first thing they do when they escape is commit genocide on the human race. Whether they are God's servants or not I feel like this class of angels is at least more powerful than demons, as they have the authority to cause massive widespread death and destruction, while Satan literally has to beg god for authority in Job to kill a few people. >Satan and the fallen angelsObviously being spirit beings they are more powerful than humans who are not aligned with God, but when it comes to fighting the other side of spirit beings they always lose
>>41029400So what's the difference between these fallen 4 angels of death vs regular demons?Regular demons are just plain evil and stand against everything that is Good. While Destroying angels still have the same morality they did before they feel, the only difference is they are more like puritan extremists, believing that even the slightest flaw in a being is deserving of death, which makes sense considering that God and his angels are pretty much flawless, and when you compare that to humans it's not going to look good for us
>>41029421> believing that even the slightest flaw in a being is deserving of death,While God also holds that view he also gives people a chance for redemption, where as the destroying angels don't believe in redemption. Basically they are about Justice without Mercy, while God is about Justice and Mercy
Most 'Satanists' don't necessarily buy into the whole good/evil heaven/hell false dichotomy- sure, there are some who are into the whole antithesis thing, but not the real playa'sWhat many most neglect is that- karma is the operating system (or at least the aspect to the system that we have access to and an ability to potentially navigate). Get right with karma or woe be to ye
>>41029388That's not how it works. He isn't sorry. His will is fixed. He made his choice.
>>41029370Let's not forgot that not only did he make that decision but he made a third of heaven's angel believe his decision and become pure evil like him
At this stage in my life, I just think evil people do well in the world. They were already evil before they became wealthy. Most of them were already born wealthy, and they come from families of psychopaths and narcissists. That's just the way it is. They don't have a reason why they are evil, they just are.
>>41029474>They don't have a reason why they are evil, they just areI feel like this is the way Satan is as well. It's never explained in scripture why he started the war in heaven, or nor is it explicitly explained if he truly is a fallen angel or something else
>>41029462Did God fix his will?
>>41027186How can you have a functionning brain and only think of this as an adult. Did you have interests or thoughts besides masturbation growing up?
>>41029462That's how it works in free willed beings. We are constantly changing our minds.
>>41029474>>41029486Then the responsibility is on the creator of this circus.
>>41029504No, that's just how things work. Why are you trying to find a way for this to be God's fault? Satan chose to be evil. He likes being evil.
>>41029516The free will of angels works differently than humans. They have free will in the micro, that is they are capable of making individual choices within their own existences, but the big moral decision was made by each of them when the fall happened. We make the same decision but over the course of our entire life, whereas they made theirs during the rebellion. Just like them, our wills become fixed after death. That is, you will either be aligned with God or not.
>>41029520That's not true. Satan wanted to usurp God.
>>41028292How do they know that?
>>41029521It is such a horrifically stupid decision and frankly it doesn't make sense. Anyone who would make such a decision would regret it. Saying the decision is locked in makes no sense either.
>>41029535If something is evil by it's very nature then the creator of that thing is at fault.
>>41029531Seems like a design flaw.
>>41027186Jews want to rise above god, that is why they constantly try to trick him and "transfer sin" to all manner things. They want a world of their own where they control everything.
>>41029531So I have a question about the timeline of the fallen angels. According to scripture there should be at least two times that a group of angels fell. The first one being obviously the rebellion, and the other time being those angels that impregnated human women who then birthed Nephilim. Clearly those angels that did that knew that was wrong and were cast out for it, and they can't be the same wave of angels that rebelled before hand because scripture refers to them as Sons of God
>>41029531How convenient, we have to be Christians now on Earth when there is no proof, but we can't change our minds after death when the actual cards will be on the table. Some benevolent God you people worship.
>>41029567>when there is no proofthe proof is the supernatural. If you can't see that being on /x/ of all boards I don't know what to tell you
>>41029575It's not proof of Jews rising from the dead or the existence of sin. Maybe Ra did it and I will have to face Anubis's scales after death.
>>41029562the "transference of sin" or atonement is for bad deeds. You have to make a sacrafice for god to forgive. Also sacrafices done in vain will not prosper such as evident by Cain's rejected offering. The Pharisees turned animal sacrafice into a tradition and then whatever branched into later Judaic beliefs and perhaps the jews believe they are swindling God with their disingenuine sacrafices, but God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows that he shall also reap
>>41029541>Choosing not to understand Ok dude>>41029547Satan wasn't evil by his nature. He chose to be evil>>41029552In what regard?
>>41029565Angels aren't capable of reproduction and nephilim don't exist. The mighty sons of God were humans. Kings like Nimrod or Ramses who described themselves as being descendants of the divine. The word is used disparagingly to describe them and their delusions. The watchers are from apocryphal texts. >>41029567Dude I literally do not care at all take it up with God. Before you think I care to debate you I am just going to be upfront with you and say that I am totally not interested at all in what you have to say
>>41029588Haven't you noticed there are a million religions with Gods and some are very similar to each other? Even Hinduism and Buddism is similar to Christianity. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Surely only one of them can be true. We look at all of the religions of the past both monotheistic and polytheistic how can we tell which one is telling the truth and who's god is real? Clearly the paranormal exists if for all of humanity before the age of scoyience we've believed in gods and demi gods
>>41029535Aside from citing the passage that is clearly refering to babylonian king lucifer where does the bible mention the motives of Satan?
>>41027186Ok Christians, explain Wendigo without making it a gacha reskin
>>41029708*licks finger for chicken greaseThis is easy to answer. Long ago some demon raped an animal, and it's off spring became a nephilimiac monster. It started gaining demonic features as it became older, and gained a knack for shape shifting. The same origin story applies to most of the fantastical cryptid stories you've heard out there. Dogman, Bigfoot, Chupacabra, all demon beastiality rape babies.
>>41027186It could be that they are entirely psychotic, and so irredeemably and completely deceived, that they think they will win at the battle of armageddon - it could be that satan himself, the great deceiver, has convinced them it is possible to overpower God almighty, and they believe it.This is a powerful deception, because satan does indeed provide for those that follow him in this world; at great cost, in fact the ultimate cost - your eternal soul. Many fall into this trap for the sake of status, money, power, fame or women. None of which will last.They may believe the death of Jesus on the cross was proof to them, that they have power over God. Again, they're deceived and satan - their master - is hellbound, and they are too, without repentance and without turning from all sin and iniquity.Joshua 24:15>And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJIyzfkZlU
>>41029743>>And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.I guess it's true that the post-pharisee jews turned to Satanists after being butt hurt
>>41029695No, the Babylonian king is being compared to Lucifer. I see this repeated all the time, and it's just obviously not true.
>>41029708What does that have to do with the op post
>>41029663I don't care either but I enjoy mocking Christians for their off the walls insane cope.
>>41029663>The watchers are from apocryphal texts.I guess it is true, that it does seem a little suspect that god being omniscient needs angels looking after humanity for him>>41029778Aw I enjoy correcting you everytime you make an obvious mistake too
>>41029778You're a faggot
>>41029791I haven't made any mistakes, I made you admit that you believe God takes away the free will of dead souls, and proceeds to judge them.
>>41029846>Implying I am the same anonAlso when it comes to free will, that is a tricky answer as it is a bit of both destiny and free will. It's kind of like Diavolo's future reading vision, where yes the future is predetermined, but the actions that have already happened will happen because of beings choices
>>41027186Nothing good's ever happened. Not to you, not to anyone. Every gift is poisoned. Every flower is trampled. Things don't naturally grow more beautiful and healthier ad aeternam, but the contrary: decay and death is the future of everything. Entropy is king in this dimension. This is a realm of evil, sadness, loss and death. Every fairytale they told you keeps you obedient and content, and blind to the fact that you're in a cruel, morally evil, universe. And honestly, bless them. Better to be blind and content than to see the truth.
>>41029869>Every fairytale they told you keeps you obedient and content, and blind to the fact that you're in a cruel, morally evil, universe.The Gospels are quite clear that Satan is the Prince of this Era, until the second coming where all evil will finally be eradicated. I guess you could say the second coming is just a cope to keep us patient and hope for a better time in a next life that will never come, but it's better than having a bunch of people become hyperventilating schizos trying to become vigilante's and fight any form of evil they see on the street themselves
>>41029059NTA, but he's right. Yes they get brainwiped but their agreement and downloaded techniques allow them to be reincarnated in the same families/elite status at least. Each new elite is a reincarnated old one.
>>41029863You of course replied in a way that seemed a continuation of previous posts but fine, your not the same. As for free will, if I die and suddenly I am unable to change my mind about things I would say that "God" is tyrannically seizing my freewill away from me. I honestly don't think that is going to happen but I have seriously considered the scenario in which I die and am confronted by one religion or another being the right one. I would convert to said religion if it made sense to do so, and it is pure cope to get butts in pews to say my choice is "locked in". Christians in particular want to have their cake and eat it too by claiming God is both loving/merciful and yet has all these rules. At least Muslims admit their God is unreasonable and as God has a right to be so.
>>41027186>As long as they eventually come before God with a contrite heart, they Get In anyway. What do you make of this?If it's genuine conversion there is nothing wrong with redeeming another Saul. But if it's fake repentance because a dude is afraid of going to hell and is near his death bed, and all his life he just did wrong doing after wrong doing and never thought of repenting until he was at the verge of death I think that makes things a bit different. A criminal can seriously think about repentance deeply if they have been locked up in prison for a while, but if they are literally bleeding out and almost about to die in less than a minute I think it may be too late. Then again, what do I know, I am not God, and I am not even an apostle
>>41029884The Second Coming... don't make me laugh. "Endure you little child, because a literal magic hero in shining armor will come and save you once they've defiled your corpse and your world". It's EXACTLY the kind of fairytale you'd teach your slave cattle in the slaughterhouse to repeat and believe in order to keep them content while you herd them towards the chopping block, isn't it? If you don't get how they're mocking you and laughing in delight seeing you repeat their Missionaria Protectiva fabricated prophecies, you're not paying attention. But again, maybe there's a blessing in believing that instead of seeing the cruel truth so... bless you.
>>41029914>Christians in particular want to have their cake and eat it too by claiming God is both loving/merciful and yet has all these rulesBecause post-modern christians are the corny Jesus is a tolerant cool with the queer guys, when they forget the whole reason Jesus died on the cross was for Justice, so that all of man kind (at the time) would not be hit with all 7 trumpets wrath of revelation Yes he is also Loving and Merciful, but he is also Lawful and seeks Justice
>>41029915And yet we ghoulishly have priests posted in hospitals and hospices to try and convert the dying.
>>41029925So God IS a tyrant who won't allow me to repent after death?
>>41027199>stillThe line was crossed long ago. These people are sick, He's going to cure them.
>>41029931>who won't allow me to repent after death?You are supposed to repent during life. After death you go to judgement day, where you will be deemed guilty. A criminal can't be brought to court, plead regret for his crime and get off Scott free. And calling God a tyrant because of Judgement does seem a little emotionally discharged, maybe an autocrat for sure but tyrant would also be disregarding that he is omnibenevolent and there is proof for this in scripture. Why not create an incorruptible utopia in the first place? That's a question for God desu
>>41029921I get it. It's a hard truth to swallow. You don't know what religion to believe because clearly non of these God made themselves obviously manifest to you, and you don't want to follow a religion where you have to enter utopia in the after life or a next life because of the uncertainty of it. My driving force is the paranormal for my beliefs And I get it, despite there being supernatural things going on it seems like there are no heroes in capes, no angels/god saving people from their deaths, no superman interfering in geopolitical affairs, just creepy ghosts and witch craft related stuff
>>41027186Hell is a human invention, as is morality. The only purpose it serves is that we don't kill one another at whim and generally, to keep the society intact.
>>41029969If you are willing to say that God rejects my plea in the courtroom because it's too late I can respect that. Claiming that I would be unable to as my will is locked in is what I find weasely as shit. Still I feel that a truly omnibenevolent God wouldn't give an offer of pardon only to rescind it later. And no it isn't a question for God it is a question for the insane cult that claims to know his will and that there will be major consequences for not listening to there specific interpretation. I believe in God anon, but I don't believe he revealed himself to a bunch of desert nomads
>>41030010That's the same thing you idiot >Saying my will is locked in>Saying that the consequences of my actions affect me and it's too late to plead for mercy after the trial is overThese are the same concepts
>>41030019No we are talking about asking. There is a difference between asking and God saying no, and being magically compelled to not change your mind.
>>41030019Oh so life is a trial now is it?
>>41029967It's possible that some actually do believe it, as Satan manifests as an angel of light and could use his shape shifting abilities as a tool to deceive them into believing they are right and make them self-reinforce their beliefs
>>41030025God doesn't say no. You say no to God repeatedly over the course of your life. When you die and realize what you've done, you've already made your decision. Your will is fixed. Welcome to hell, population you. >>41030029Yeah? Did anyone say any different
>>41030036Well Satan can lie but Jesus is the truth, everyone will know this soon if they haven't already known.
>>41030043You really think people in hell wouldn't change their mind? I know I would if hell was real but it isn't. Especially if hell is eternal the idea that people wouldn't regret being there is ridiculous. They now say yes to God but God says no it's too late.
>>41030053Yeah basically everyone in hell is currently crying out for God to save them and give them a second chance as we speak but the reason they're in hell is because they don't deserve one and would waste the opportunity. That's the kind of person who goes to hell. Satan would rebel against God all over again. He has chosen against good. Every human in hell, if God gave them a second chance, would immediately go back to what they were doing. God knows the hearts of men.
>>41030064>>41030053To put it more simply, the people crying out for God in hell right now are like those murderers in police interrogation footage who start crying when it becomes obvious that they've been caught and have no way out. They didn't cry for the victims, but cry for themselves and the consequences they'll face. They aren't crying out to God out of a genuine desire to change, but just to get out.
>>41029869It's more like things want to be beautiful but death snatches it away. This is why the genesis account with the fall of man is convincing
>>41030064The kind of person who goes to hell, is the type that simply didn't believe in life, the idea that they couldn't be rehabilitated is ridiculous.
>>41027186>From Jeffery Dahmer to Mao Zedong to the Clintons. That means that they can be forgiven. As long as they sincerely apologize before the end of their lives, and considering their positions it isn't likely that their deaths would be sudden, they are still totally eligible for grace and an eternity in heaven.You don't get it, anon. It's not that they still MIGHT unify with God, it's that they're the only people who CAN unify with God.>8. For this only, O Son, is the way to Truth, which our Progenitors travelled in; and by which making their journey, they at length attained to the good. It is a venerable way and plain, but hard and difficult for the soul to go in that is in the body.>9. For first must it war against its own self, and after much strife and dissention, it must be overcome of the part; for the contention is of one against two, whilst it flies away, and they strive to hold and detain it.>10. But the victory of both is not like, for the one hasteth to that which is Good, but the other is a neighbour to the things that are Evil; and that which is Good desireth to be set at liberty, but the things that are Evil love bondage and Slavery.>11. And if the two parts be overcome, they become quiet, and are content to accept of it as their Ruler; but if the one be overcome of the two, it is by them led and carried to be punished by its being and continuance here.You cannot ascend through virtue alone. Only by subjugating both Good and Evil to your will you might reach the true enlightenment. Unification of Opposites is the most important principle in bot Western alchemy and Taoism for a reason.
>>41030072That makes a lot more sense than claiming peoples wills are locked in.
>>41027316You sound triggered by his statement, like you've got some vested interest in disproving its accuracy or something...
>>41030082Are you concerned for your salvation? You can choose good, you know. For people like you, it's an issue of pride. That's the worst one to have, because you don't see it in yourself and feel entirely justified.>I'm going to hell just for not believing!?Well no it's for not believing despite the fact the opportunity was presented to you innumerable times (like now) and you repeatedly chose against it because you think you're too smart for it and already a good person anyway so God adds nothing to your life. But you probably are not that good, hardly anyone is, and your inability to see this is a consequence of the same thing that makes you think you're too smart to believe in God. Pride.
>>41030094That is the same thing. Your will is fixed. You are no longer capable of receiving God's grace or being in his presence. You have made your decisions, and you decided on hell. That decision is permanent.
>24 hours later>still page 1the state of /x/
>>41030100As I said I do believe in God, I just don't believe in the Bible. It's obviously a work of fiction. Call me prideful if you wish but you know nothing of the true force of creation.
>>41030110Thanks for the bump chump
>>41030114Ok. You're prideful and painfully deluded. You had all of these issues that I addressed comprehensively, but are still defaulting back to what you believed before despite the fact that the issues you apparently had have been addressed.
>>41030114Look I'm too tired to catch up on this conversation. But speaking as someone who very, and I mean, VERRRRYYY much understands the true force of creation. Just how fucking awesome the Gods actually are... I mean yeah only the truly braindead will resist in The End.
>>41030105Your decision is final not your will. Remember this started with the question of why Satan continues to be evil thousands of years later. Could he change his mind and beg for mercy? The difference between fixed will or final decision would be weather Satan refuses to ask forgiveness or God refuses to give it. That God refuses after death is pretty standard.
>>41030120Have fun watching me from heaven as I burn for eternity anon.
>>41030128No, he cannot change his mind and beg for mercy because he made a choice to rebel against God. That is an act of ultimate evil, being that God is the ultimate good. His will is fixed. You can also make that decision, if you want. Your will can also be fixed in that way. It's a bad decision, but it's yours to make.
>>41030138Don't be so dramatic. Just go apologize to God for being a shithead and try to behave normally.
>>41027186Hell isn't real.
>>41027186They don't believe in God at all or hell, they just pretend to because it's an easy way to control stupid faggots like yourself.
>>41027186Some far more intelligent anon than me said that acting on behalf of that which is inherently evil and worshipping the eternal-rebellion figure is honestly a LARP and that everyone that actually falls for it just got fooled by the malicious 'powers and principalities of this world'Honestly , this sort of filter can only benefit those who are loyal to God , who is the epitome of everything that is Moral and Good. I dont understand why some people think that "If God is all good why evil exists" It's trials and ordeals to help us rise to the top , to Him.
>>41028375That is part of whats interesting.Pride blinds your vision and it is disputed that pride is the root of all major and minor sins
>>41027186They're gnostics.
>>41027199Current gnosticism is different from outdated gnosticism.>>41027228The Catholic Church loves this verse.>>41027235t. Jew
>>41027186They unironically believe that they will reign in Hell as lieutenants of the devil after Satan overthrows God
>>41029967The OT mentions secret societies kings were tasked to eradicate but fell themselves.
I was raised in a community of "elites" and you might find a few things interesting:>born in Europe>passed around family members between continents for weeks or months at a time>family in America is mostly Mormons and some garden variety Christians >family in Asia has weird cryptic beliefs that don't seem to follow any major religion but seem to draw from several>my two aunts in China keep very, very weird art all over their walls, like Podesta except more stylized and "traditional" looking>ask them about God and the Devil>"don't they say that the kingdom of Heaven is within you? Isn't it something like that? Hell is in there too, you know.">at 16 I got to attend a ceremony in Lisbon which was attended by literally my entire extended family of every religious affiliation >my great uncle sat in a big red chair while prostitutes dressed as Jesus, Mary, Satan, Muhammad, Moses, Aphrodite, Buddha, Shiva, Kali, and others danced and then bowed before a slab of onyx stone sitting at my great uncle's feet>members of my family started fucking each other>I watched my mom fuck my aunts and I got sucked by my sister>great uncle gives a "sermon" in Greek about the power of art and hopeI still don't know, but I think they view all religions as human-made art projects and don't believe in any fixed truth or meaning. That's my interpretation so far anyway. Posting from Bangladesh rn.
>>41030582What the fuck? Post passport with timestamp
>>41027186>going toThey are already here, and so are you. Rather, why are you not afraid of being here forever?
>>41030510No, the opposite. They are the ignorant kings of the hylics.
>>41027186heaven and hell do not exist, its states of mind. only idiots think this way. for them this prison was made see.
>>41027186>hellIt's not real. Also reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.
>>41030713>heaven and hell do not exist, its states of mind.Nothing at all exists outside the Mind except the pure unconditioned awareness of God.
>>41030762Neither bodies nor death are real.
For the neuropsychically impaired:Suppose you know shit.Dimensional gates are open, bad beings are warping in.But the people of Earth are retarded, and larp expecting to know all.What is the most apropriate shakedown laundry list you can apply?Incase I still give two shits.
>>41030843And incase you have considered good intent from my side: choke on my dick
>>41030682/x/ has fed you the old, outdated gnosticism of the tannaim.
>>41027186Because ‘satanism’ and ‘hell’ doesn’t existYou have forces or creation and light, and forces if destruction and darkness, both are absolute and essential and cannot operate or exist without the other; law of polaritySome side with creation, some with destruction, the trees grow and harbour a great forest, and the volcano erupts and burns it all down, and then the cycle starts anew.
>>41028241it means we're all in hell and there's no escape from here
>>41031028Gnosis comes only from God.
>>41030762I disagree but none really knows for sure, you COULD be right. What makes the Christcucks so insane is their baseless claim that they truly KNOW and you have to join them or else.
>>41028375it's like in that avenger movie where they see a chance, one in a million, to defeat thanos and they go for it. also because of the pride as said previously they can think they know better and all the prophecies are bullshit.
They are stupid. You think elites are someone super smart, best of the crop etc. But it's the other way around. They've got all their power though communication with fallen spirits, they sold their souls and dignity (if they ever had one in the first place) for power. They can't create, only destroy. It doesn't require much brain to destroy, actually it's easier to destroy if you don't have any brain at all. Creation on other hand requires a lot of intelligence and it's an act of love in itself.>>41029297>they are dumb enough to think that they would rule there.this too. i know a person who thinks satan will make him a powerful demon in hell after his services on earth.
>>41030164Just repent and spend the rest of your life building schools in Africa (for free). Better build the fuck out of those schools too, with fear and trembling, so you don't burn in hell for all eternity for having "dead faith"
>>41028938https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrithuThis is connected with this, read it, it is even written there that thanks to the “milking of the earth” (MLK ritual?) creatures, deities acquired superpowers. Read about milkers, cows in the article (I assume that there is also a spiritual milking "mlk", which produces energy aka loosh/amrita/ambroisa/soma for them if people work with them (this applies not only to Hindu gods) because everything is connected with symbols, people are somehow tied, fixed with realityGods were very often identified with cows or bulls, Scandinavian gods were also born from a cow, in the Egyptian book of the heavenly cow, Ra, after the massacre of humanity and almost complete our destruction (the reason is a secret, but the priests clearly knew something) flies away on a cow (you should not take this literally, but to people this device reminded them of a cow... I don’t know? ship)Hindu gods live in a cow, Ahriman attacked a special cow in Zoroastrianism and she ... no joke ... flies away to the lunar station sometimes it seems that the moon is actually full, judging by the myths and the same Koran where it splits in half etc. etcIn short, they say those were "golden times", but people paid for them and thanks to milking the earth, the deities gained abilities. Perhaps this is something on the edge, perhaps they are from a parallel space, remember this ritual of burning from the Bible, even pagans did it and when I thought about it, I remembered an Irish legend that fairies/elves feed on steam/smoke.Pagans performed this terrible ritual hoping to somehow return those golden times?By the way, I'm now afraid of the apocalypse of John, well, you know... hm... there the heavenly Jerusalem is described in the form of a cube, and in Hebrew alah/olah (check it yourself) means the ritual of burning and Muslims run around the cube. As if..scary..I hope the good light gods exist, but studying myths and religions I don't know...
>>41031715>fullhollow
>>41029474>>41029486it seems then zoroastrism is closer to the truth than abrahamism. in zoroastrism evil exists out of good god's authority. and he brought us in this material realm so we could learn to discern evil from good without his help and also to inprison evil here to defeat it forever.
>>41027513There’s no oversimplification to be had. They believe exactly as you said that he is “the real God”. As someone who was sucked into this lie and lived after peeking behind the curtain I can vouch for this.It makes perfect sense because that’s what they are. The devil was a rebel, and therefore they rebel against all morality.
>>41031622Bad faith argument
>>41031257Agape > gnosis
>>41027658Guess you better read the Bible then.
>>41027186>Why Satanic elite aren't afraid of going to hellSome do not believe it, the whole satanism thing merely a set of societal rituals defining the elite group they hope to or feel being part of.Some do consider themselves said elites being norms and regulations of average man. They already moved beyond such constrain4s and the world is their oyster.And many, many think like what >>41027199 indicates - that they're on the side of God.Some of the biggest evils of the world come from well-intentioned, clueless people understanding needs, dreams and attitudes of people lives they govern in merely simplistic and abstract terms. Someone who never really knew hunger, for example, will approach it as a curious abstract state compared to the poor person who is starving regularly. Perspective matters and sadly, for all their education and success, many of that elite have pisspoor perspective built on greatly overestimating both their own competence and their ability to micromanage in wildly different environments. So inevitably, despite noble goals, those people unleash horrors and suffering as they prop ideas that aren't actually workable in different strata of society than their own.You can even find that attitude lower than at the top. Apologies for a bit of a /pol/ but there's a reason, for example, why socialism/communism is a system mostly valued only by - aside from elites of countries where it functions - upper-middle class, cozy first world youth - it's because they are allowed to live lives comfortable and with enough naivety to support the doctrine's pleasantly sounding, but unworkable ideas. While ironically, the biggest opponents of that system are the working class, especially if they lived under it.Now take it up to 11, make it not just about system of governance but ethics, spirituality etc while widening the gap between a group forcing their ideas and the people forced by several orders of magnitude.And that's only one facet of it1/2
>>41027186God is retarded, if he exist. End of question.
>>410322292/2Aside from incompetence and detachment from ethics, worldview and priorities of regular people, aside from messiah complex there are other problems.The elites are not united block, they differ in agenda or ideas how to implement them. They exchange favors, build alliances, make sacrifices. Many pursue truly dark, heinous, satanic or not ways as prefered path bringing good, if not to the world then parties in it they consider truly valuable (investors, sponsors, patrons, allies) even when everyone else will suffer for it.Some also detached themselves enough that they do think of suffering of others as a worthy and temporary sacrifice - as lon as it's the others who suffer. So, in their eyes their goals are good or at least, no matter how selfish - logical. The disutrbances unimportant, the price doesn't matter when it's not them who pays it.So, unworkable laws made to prop up their status follow, abuses and hypocrisy are perpetrated, unworkable ideas destroying things (unchecked immigration, globalism) merely growing pains of their utopia. What price is suffering of millions when they encision glorious future of billions behaving and living in the best way - the way they envicion and under their benevolent control? Especially when all their peers further encourage and confirm how good they do?Is it really a shock that they would form a very alien private culture and dabble in things we'd find horrible?
>>41032265Nah, just you are. That's not even a question.
>>41032274>encision glorious future of billions behaving and living in the best way - the way they envicion*envision and other typos, pardon me - typing on this tiny keyboard is less than ideal.
>>41031804You were never truly in the inner circle. Neither are for example all the musical artists who "sell their soul".
>>41027238These are the descendants of people who invented religions; they have not invented anything in centuries and rely on their inherited power like typical fourth or fifth generation rich kids that only know how to dress up and play their theatre role.>tl;dr they are niggers
>>41029362People are much more immoral and selfish now that the world is increasingly brown and people have no personal incentive to act properly so that future generations of their own progeny can have a better life. They know intrinsically that the land they live on will belong to people who are not themselves - why improve anything under such conditions?Its not a religion issue, its a community issue.
>>41032448Anecdotal I know but as a white incel I don't give a shit about the future of my community and it's future little spic citizen raised by single moms. They are little gremlins.
>>41032448The world is like this because of secularization and the introduction of subjective morality. I.e, you are no different than pajeet so ten gorillian of him being in your country makes no difference. He isn't morally inferior to you, in fact you are morally inferior to him for trying to enforce a standard of morality.
>As long as they eventually come before God with a contrite heart, they Get In anyway. What do you make of this?I always wondered how a thinking person can come to the conclusion that a deathbed confession somehow hoodwinks the scale of God.That said, most people aren't in the business of religion to establish a relationship with God anyway, so there I suppose is my answer. If all you're doing is waiting for interdimensional gibs I guess it doesn't matter how delusional your belief system is, as long as it theoretically gets you what you want.
>>41032494Subjective morality has always been a thing, there's nothing objective about fucking feelings. The operative problem is that the first world has turned it on its head - browns are always wrong, whites are always right - that's been the standard since we started in on colonialization. The third world is supposed to be for wealth extraction, they're not people or equals in the traditional sense, and the problems with 'subjective morality' won't be fixed until people get good and comfortable with that hard line again.
