>>41030638
oh boy a mo pai thread
qigong threads always bring out an interesting brand of retard
mo pai threads especially
even if you believe in the mo pai stuff, iirc, john chang got busted by the ancestors of his lineage for showing off to westerners and stopped teaching publicly
even back 10-15 years ago people were struggling to piece together the pieces from rumors and hearsay and at most people thought they figured out the first one, two, maybe three levels
the chances of anyone having real mo pai are pretty much close to zero

better bet is to go after someone who is teaching publicly
longmenpai (Dragons Gate) is being taught by Wang Liping and books by Nathan Brine. Wang Liping was featured in the book "Opening the Dragons Gate" and has his own magical mystical stories attached to him.

There are other Qigong teachers out there teaching solid stuff, B.K. Frantzis has been at it a while as well as Damo Mitchell.

None of them are shooting fireballs though, so depends on what you want out of life.

>>41030638
Enter Mo Pai, Van Gelder
Works by Jeff McDuffie

This shit glows, hard
>>41031229
And so does this shit

>>41031248
I prefer Chaos Magick, desu.

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>>41030638
Wtf? Is that mans into the "C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!" irl?

>>41031287
That glows too

>>41031342
VGH
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos_all.php

One of the better threads gets a bump

>>41030736
According to John Chang in the Magus of Java (page 51), the secret to filling the dan tien is semen retention paired with yogic breathing exercises and meditation. Semen retention and yogic breathing generates ching (essence), the precursor to ch'i. In order to transmute ching into chi, you must meditate down into the theta state (where your mind separates from your body) for roughly 80 hours total. Once you hit that mark you are supposedly able to feel a dense amount of chi in your lower dan tien.

In short, don't nut and practice Wim hof method paired with transcendental meditation daily.

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>>41032624
Who IS this Dan Tien guy?

>>41032668
Hahahahahahaha.

>>41032624
what if i told you he's not the only one who says that and its not secret kek

>>41032624
Wim Hof method is a load of shit, other than that this protocol seems reasonable.
t.someone who has learned from a different lineage

>>41032624
>Semen retention and yogic breathing
Do you know if there's a solution for guys (especially ones who might have yang constitutions) who do the above, but experience trapped heat in the head and headaches? But no meditation, and the simpler version (no locked tongue suction on the roof of the mouth) of yogic breathing. Meaning, just synchronizing a Kegel hold with an inhale. So:
1. Inhale while doing a Kegel hold.
2. Hold one's breath while holding the Kegel hold.
3. Wait until the body is ready for another breath.
4. Exhale while releasing the Kegel hold.
5. Rinse repeat.

we are gonna have super powers, bros

Practicing standing while sinking the energy (sung) has really helped me chill out. Also more energy. Semen retention also works, but you can build up too much of a charge if not transmuting properly.

>>41032776
I have a yang constitution and I prefer to bring energy down from the upper dantien (heart chakra) into the lower to feel power there. My energy naturally rises and stays in the upper centers and my sacral feels pretty empty most of the time if I don’t circulate it down. Try circulating it down. The end goal is balance throughout all of your energy centers and the ability to move energy in a smooth circuit where you want it to go without blocks. Trying to blow out your crown can cause problems for someone who is not used to energy residing there. Hope you get something out of this comment.

Yall niggas don't even know how to meditate though. You dont know nothing bout no jhana, no samadhi, no trataka, and no Raja yoga

Do you think you could speed up the process if you put a magnet/electrostim on your perineum?

>>41034073
chinese bro

>>41034073
He's a taoist bvll

>>41030638
Tried it for a while. It made me uncomfortably angry and violent albeit abnormally strong. I'm not a warrior so I work with the soul star instead of the lower dantian. I may be physically much weaker now but I'm happy and I easily make friends.

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>>41030638
>Anyone here into this stuff and practices?
Plenty of anons into qigong, taichi and other similar eastern spiritual practices.
Mo Pai however is discouraged. As >>41030736 mentions all the materials circulating publicly on the practice are incomplete, usually bits and pieces from Chang's students who broke/fell off early so people going into it tend to not achieve much or often get minor, vague results followed immediately by severe issues stemming from their incomplete, unbalanced practice leading to deviation and disruption of their physical and subtle bodies, often leading to chronic health issues and even organ failure. Like building a building or an electric device with only part of the materials and schematic and then winging the rest. May look impressive at first but will turn into a pile of junk or violently break apart into rubble and shrapnel the moment you'll try to put it to use.

>>41034073
Yes. Most anons are armchair magicians at best. Lots of tidbits of knowledge, tons of books but no will to practice to experience things.

>>41035436
Soul star? What kind of LARPy terminology is that? I mean, care to tell us and give us resources on what tradition you pursue?

>>41035460
oh yes, i have been told in many cases it leads to serious health issues

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>>41035462
It's the one above the crown.

John Chang here, I AM

>>41036611
these niggas making up new chakras lmao

>>41030638
Never found a qi gong method that allowed me to quickly begin to feel qi energy for the first time. Nothing emboldens practice like an undeniable life changing experience.

Oh and please don't mention that usual one of feeling the warmth between your hands after rubbing the palms together and them slowly moving your palms apart and then close to eachother back and forth. It doesn't work and it keeps getting posted over and over online. I swear there should be some kind of standardized simple method by now in some specific qi gong practice, but even if it does exist I just can't find it.

I'll bookmark this thread and check again tomorrow, hopefully someone posts such a method.

Everything I've read online is about that Mo Pai stuff causing people injuries, even posts from people that practiced it. Avoid that nonsense, it's pieced together information and it seems like the important pieces that ensure safety and proper training are missing.

>>41040008
Standing practice combined with sung (sinking) for about fifteen minutes and you should start to feel the chi.

>>41030638
saw a youtube vid of one of his students using force pull on some cans on a basement window sill in 2012 but haven't been able to find it since

>>41040118
Was just about to go to sleep and saw your post.
1. Do you mean Zhan Zhuang?
2. Is there a specific named book, or specific named lineage/style you derived this method from (e.g. Spring Forest Qigong)?

Your response seems legit, but it's too general, it would be great if you could state something specific, especially if it is the method you used to feel chi. I don't even have any context of what "sung" is and I'd likely be missing whatever fundamentals or prerequisites I may need to even do the practice right and even do what is required to feel chi (that's why I want specifics, specifics remove as much doubt, confusion, overthinking, etc. as possible).

>>41040148
I remember that one

>>41040158
>Do you mean Zhan Zhuang?
Yes, but I do it with arms at my side with armpits open.
>Is there a specific named book, or specific named lineage/style you derived this method from (e.g. Spring Forest Qigong)?
Energy Gates Qigong. I'm a relative beginner so I just use Frantzis' Opening the Energy Gates of the Body.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nkMa5N8ZAG8
Paul Cavel has some good stuff as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZu2ShAhkAI

>>41040346
Came across this in relation to the sinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xi9v0R2PMk

>>41032802
two more weeks right ? lets GOOOOO!!!

>>4103813
give us a routine to practice also some videos or books to look over thank you sir

>>41040346
seconding for Bruce Kumar Frantzis and Paul Cavel
their system focuses heavily on the downward flow and sinking chi so if you are looking to get good with standing and sinking start there

>>41040596
heard good things about damo mitchell but only read one of his books, he describes similar sinking processes so if he resonates with you cant go wrong as far as i know

I'm largely metal-water based with a spark of yang fire and no earth to ground me. I find visualizing or feeling my qi as water (or syrup in the case of yin) flowing down into a gourd helps bring/keep it down. When my yang rises my body moves syrupy yin down and the yang follows (I say my body because I don't force it, I just... "know" that's what it needs and my body follows suit. If you try to force it, you just create more yang). Don't know if that visual can help anyone else who has trouble with yang rising, but it's what works for me.

>>41041459
the main thing to be careful of with visualizations is, especially if you are good at it, you can visualize a lot of stuff but that doesnt mean its happening in your body or your energy
ideally you want to shoot for a felt sensation in your body
now, if you have good sensitivity in your body and your visualization can induce that felt sensation, you're probably ok
but especially a lot of beginners start with visualizing or trying to get the right image or analogy in their head when really they need to be looking for a feeling

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So if i get a head rush and start convulsing until I have to stop before I disintegrate I guess there's something going on.

>>41042125
just dont give yourself a seizure
focus on downward energy

>>41042132
I can handle the energy if I keep it outside of my body. It's too big to fit in a small vessel.

>>41042125
>I guess there's something going on.
Oh yes, however like these other anons have recommended, focus on bringing the energy downward, into the feet and ground. The initial phases of practice should be about sinking and grounding energy.
>ideally you want to shoot for a felt sensation in your body
Seconding this.

>>41041991
That's a good point. When I say my body does it, I feel the heavy yin sink and the rised yang drain down after - it's not purely visual. I'm not really sure how you'd sink your yang if you can't feel anything at all (how do you even know you have rising yang problems if you can't feel it?), someone with 0 feeling is probably better off with other methods

>>41032776
>But no meditation
retard

>>41040148
they only did it with help from john
who is now ded

>>41030736
>>41035460
good, there are non-retards itt
these guys are correct

>>41030638
Although I'm a fan of many Eastern spiritual practices, it's also full of conmen and charlatans. I would imagine that extraordinary capability would not be televised, but just never shown off.

>>41043046
they fear outsiders learning about it and using it for evil, although john chang have taught several westerners and even allowed them to journal and share what they have learnt

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>>41032776

返火归原

Search for that term.

>>41040008
It's possible that you just can't feel it, I'm convinced some people are wired so as not to be able to percieve chi. Don't think of it as a weakness, it's probably more of a strength desu.

Since you have an interest in these practices perhaps try for something more mind based, like emptiness in some of the Chan traditions, when you hit that it's before and after experience as well.

>>41045190
i disagree
feeling chi is like any other sense. some people feel it naturally, some its stronger or weaker, but it can be cultivated and developed. in fact, it SHOULD be cultivated and developed, because if you do heavy intense mental practices you could be unbalancing your chi in a bad way and you wont notice it until its severe enough that you DO feel it (despite not being sensitive) and at that point its probably real bad.

better to focus on learning to feel chi first, even if its slow in the beginning, so you can learn to self regulate whether a practice is good or bad for you.

its a marathon, not a sprint

>>41045190
>It's possible that you just can't feel it
I don't believe that, because most qi gong practitioners I've talked to online have said they've never literally "felt" chi energy, there's a lot of people practicing qi gong for years and they've never felt qi.

Have you felt qi energy, and if so:
1. What did it feel like?
2. What was the method you practiced?

>>41045237
>better to focus on learning to feel chi first
What method though?

>>41045274
>What method though?
you sound like that anon from a few threads back
seizure anon gave you a method and you said it worked
you can also prompt one of your ai friends

you can also get a book from one of the several teachers that have been recommended in this thread so far -
>Wang Liping/Nathan Brine
>Bruce Kumar Frantzis
>Damo Mitchell

Unless you're that anon that will say once something is "commercial" it's not real or that they dont give the real stuff out or people delude themselves for years

>>41045237
Right, but like the other senses, could it not be absent in certain individuals? I have no way of proving this, it is a feeling I get from some people.

Now that you mention it what you say about heavy mental practices are often paired with chi sinking cool downs.

Personally I am overly sensitive to the san bao, it made my life very difficult when I was younger.

>>41045303
>could it not be absent in certain individuals?
if that were possible, and that's a big if, i would bet it would be incredibly unlikely. unlikely enough that anyone who cant feel their chi shouldnt assume its a missing sense, and moreso that they just have a longer road than others

go slow and gentle and feel it at the beginning, or ignore it and feel it past and painfully at the end

but you know how it goes, caveat emptor, your mileage may vary, this does not constitute legal/medical advice, yadda yadda

>>41045274
>>>41045190 (You)
>>It's possible that you just can't feel it
>I don't believe that, because most qi gong practitioners I've talked to online have said they've never literally "felt" chi energy, there's a lot of people practicing qi gong for years and they've never felt qi.
Wouldn't that prove my point?

I feel the san bao very intensely, to be honest there are a lot of times it has made my life very difficult. Losing any of the san bao feels like physical pain to me.

The upside of this sensitivity is that teachers have come into my life from a young age and have taught me some of these practices. I have learned some that are not commonly taught publicly thought I have not experienced anything like the Mo Pai lineage. The closes thing I have come to that is probably pushing hands with john ding, who had a way of attacking with his qi, it felt like something between electricity and light screwing into accupoints / mai. It was pretty scary, but he relied on it to much imo.

If I were to describe qi I'm not sure, I guess it would be something between light and water. Shen would be something between wind and light, maybe.

>>41035460
You're right all the materials fell apart as well as the school itself as soon as John Chang died as far as we know

Problem is John was one of the last occultists of any actual degrees of power and even his school was heavily degraded

Anyone who wants actual big dick powers has to figure it out themselves at this point rather than actually knowing better other schools have mostly just degraded too much to even touch their own lifeforce as much as mo pai does

Personal experience wise taoists have lost any actual understanding of their techniques at this point you can see the decay if you start understanding the materials rather than five elements the divinatory and medical branches both maintain an extra meridian in the running water and triple burner respectively

To give you something to go on rather than just fucking vauge shitting cause of fucking feds
>>41045190
People very much have affinity for different types of powers the other two most successful schools I know of somafera berserkers and psychic vampires of house kheperu? Both had success by gathering a lot of people who were struggling with strong powers with issues enough to start comparing notes. both have very real siddhis they can use but their only really useful to people with those affinities to begin with if always hungry or anger issues sounds right might have better luck looking through their materials taoists good shit is more powerful and generally useful but like this guy
>>41045274
Says its very easy to waste time on flawed techniques or ones you lack affinity for success with taoism aside I've had bum luck with either school I'm trying psychometry now but still too early to say

There are people on the spectrum who will never understand this because it is an art, which does not compute to the autist. You can point them in the right direction but without a teacher there guiding their hand for even the most basic things they are lost.

>>41045367
>divinatory and medical branches both maintain an extra meridian in the running water and triple burner respectively

qrd?

>>41045367
>the other two most successful schools I know of somafera berserkers and psychic vampires of house kheperu
these sound like pulp fantasy titles with frank frazetta covers
>Captured by the Psychic Vampires of House Kheperu

>>41040008

Ok, you can try pressing yong quan 500 times and 3 mile point 100 times in a warm bath probably on your right leg. If you cannot feel anything after that see my earlier reply.

>>41045406
You put this better than I did.

>>41032776
You don't swallow right after the inhale or visualize a burning a fire in your belly?

>>41030638
This is not something you learn in a day, a month, even a year. Even getting to the basic knowledge takes fucking forever, not just knowledge but it begins by controlling your thoughts, your body, your desires to the point of using your transmuted energy to bend reality.

If you do this half assed and without a teacher/guide (99% will never even get considered to be a student by people who have mastered this) you will accumulate that energy but without proper circulation it will get stuck in one of your organs and basically fucking kill you.
If any of you ever reach this point, fucking bust a nut to release the energy, this is literally the only way.
Of course every time you bust a nut the journey literally goes back to level 1.
Like some anon already mentioned, most of you fucks don't even know how to meditate properly.
You can cause different cancers in your body if you do this without proper knowledge/guidance.

>>41045539
Man, I am done with you fearmongering housewives. That's it. I'm done with /x/ and its pseuds.

>>41045557
You won't be missed, btw.

>>41045539
this motherfucker so dumb he posted this in another thread lololol >>41045532

>>41045274
>2. What was the method you practiced?
Marrow washing

>>41045575
lololololo

>>41045588
yeah lolololo because he's a stupid cocksucker

>>41045575
lmao he prolly dont even autist like us hahaha lolololo

>>41045406
>>41045539
>demoralization psyop
Don't listen to the glowies, bros. Keep learning. Keep practicing.

>>41045595
lolololo he's so dumb he sucks cock hahahaha

>>41045588
>>41045598
>>41045605
you ok, homie. im not autistic, but i guess you are. it's ok though. just accept yourself.

>>41045575
mini stroke... kek

>>41045349
>Wouldn't that prove my point?
No, I think it's more likely proving the point that people often fall into the "sunken cost fallacy", that start practicing something, stick with it despite it not being effective, and then they wake up one day and they've invested so much time and effort into it that it would feel like a waste to quit. I don't think these people are incapable of feeling qi, I think they are stuck training methods that aren't suited to them or are subpar, and they refuse to quit and try other things.

This is exactly why I have a 2-3 week limit on testing something. If I can't even get a minor result with daily training of that thing, then it likely isn't the method for me, or it's an subpar method.

>>41045367
>its very easy to waste time on flawed techniques or ones you lack affinity for success
Sadly, I think the large majority of people in the occult/spiritual space end up falling into this trap. This is why you'll find so many armchair magicians and delusional people online, they all joined the SCC (Sunken Cost Club), they've invested too much time and effort into garbage practices (or practices not suited to them) and they refuse to give up because of that investment, and that ironically just makes the loss of the bad investment get larger and larger as time goes by. People really need to learn to move on when something doesn't work for them within a reasonable timeframe.

>>41045406
>There are people on the spectrum who will never understand this because it is an art
"Art" is a concept born from human limitation. Everything is a science, the average human just lacks the intelligence and memory required to execute that thing as if it's a science. Give any human the IQ and memory of an artificial intelligence and they will "out-play" most musicians and "out-paint" any famous artist, and from the perspective of the common folk they'll seem "talented" and "artistic" when it's just pure intelligence, memory and processing power.

>>41045150
>Search for that term
Any specific search engines and/or places?
>返火归原
Do you have the pinyin? Do you know if that's safe for novices who don't have a teacher? I don't practice the energy arts. Since I'm aware internal alchemy can cause qi deviations, I avoid it. I just didn't know Wim Hof breathing was internal alchemy (at least according to Google's AI) until not too long ago. On a specific day in January 2023, between 10 PM - 12 AM, I started experiencing bodily pain (maybe my legs at first; then my arms and/or shoulders). Up until that moment, my body was working normally. Ever since then, I've had bodily pain that comes and goes. Do you know if that kinda pain could be a side effect of Wim Hof breathing? Aside from trapped heat in the head that sometimes leads to headaches and possibly increased blood pressure and/or heart rate. Another thing I noticed (maybe last year), is it seems my lymphatic system has been backed up. My armpits, kneepits, and ankles are swollen. I don't recall swelling in those areas before.

>>41045470
>You don't swallow right after the inhale
No. I wasn't aware of that aspect of the method. I've also had a phlegm and/or mucus issue since around 2007. Most of the time, I swallow only when eating or drinking (not counting any involuntary swallowing during sleep).
>or visualize a burning a fire in your belly?
No. Same as above. I wasn't aware of that aspect. I came across an instructions post here for Wim Hof breathing that, I think, mentioned only the tongue suction lock, Kegel hold, inhale, and exhale. I'm very much a novice at the energy arts. I tried Wim Hof breathing because my body used to struggle with cold during winter.

>>41045717
I'm coming from a more tummo angle, that's all. When I learned the post-inhale swallow is when I really started feeling warmth. I don't know about the chakra stuff though.

>>41045150
>返火归原
Is that like Dzogchen?

>>41045663


In qi gong there are other variables to consider besides the actual method.
A teacher's qi & shen teach you somethings on it's own if you have the ability to perceive them. This is one meaning of the word "washing." I can't explain it other than it's like some sort of osmosis, you learn a lot from sitting or standing in silent meditation with a master. Some things need verbal explanation, some things are learned in silence. I speculate that some people can't do the learning in silence part. Learning something from a teacher with lower qi/shen might take 1 year, learning the same thing from an enlightened master might take month or a day. For instance, it took my teacher 3 years to get me to the first stage of the qigong that I learned, he said it took him 3 months. He didn't even bother telling me there were others afterward. For me to try and help someone reach the first stage I don't think it would even be possible, even though I can get there myself.

>>41045833
>For me to try and help someone reach the first stage I don't think it would even be possible, even though I can get there myself.
I'm just asking for the actual source/method so that I can try something myself (like the specific name of the practice/lineage e.g. "Spring Forest Qigong"). At the end of the day it's always going to be up to each person to test it on their own, were all just fishing for options to add to a list of things to test.

>>41045663
>This is exactly why I have a 2-3 week limit on testing something. If I can't even get a minor result with daily training of that thing, then it likely isn't the method for me, or it's an subpar method.
lmao you are the same anon from the last thread

give up people this guy wont do shit. dude is just another energy vampire howie who wants to pet a dog and wont do shit even though everyone helps him. that or he's trying to harvest answers for ai.

funny enough an anon in a few threads back gave him a practice for feeling yin/yang energy that he said worked for him, but here he still is asking questions like he doesnt know anything. funny enough, that other anon gave himself a seizure from self practice and this guy defended it because "at least it produced a result"

hilarious and sad.

>>41045878
>funny enough an anon in a few threads back gave him a practice for feeling yin/yang energy that he said worked for him, but here he still is asking questions like he doesnt know anything.
Retard, mind your business lol. Why would I stop collecting methods to test when I'm not sure if the next one I test will work? I've tested dozens of things before I found things that actually worked, there's no reason to stop collecting methods to try until I find one that works, and I'm already testing something else at the moment. The search doesn't stop until you find what works.

>>41045899
>Retard, mind your business lol
what you say when you are called the fuck out and dont have shit to say

>I'm already testing something else at the moment
why dont you share what you're testing. you know, contribute to the thread until of energy vamping everyone else

>>41045712
>Do you have the pinyin? Do you know if that's safe for novices who don't have a teacher?


It is what you are looking for based on what you ask, in my opinion.
It is not a dangerous method, it is the method that takes the danger out of other methods and lets you access and enjoy the energy you've cultivated.

From Chat GPT:

返火归原 (fǎn huǒ guī yuán)

返 (fǎn) = return

火 (huǒ) = fire

归 (guī) = to return to / go back to

原 (yuán) = origin, source


返火于源 (fǎn huǒ yú yuán) “return fire to the source.”


This literally means “return fire to its origin.”

The origin or source are the kidneys. The fire is the raw energy taking the form of rebellious qi, lustful thoughts, insomnia, ADHD, etc. I

t is similar, but not the same as "sink qi to dan tian." IMO you can't learn anything having to do with dan tian without a teacher. Start by massaging yong quan everynight before sleep. The yong quan takes a lot of presses to activate, like in the hundreds... then find the simplest possible qi gong methods that work with the yong quan point or better find a teacher that teaches these methods.

I've never experienced any physical pain from qigong other than sweating when I shouldn't have been sweating, which I found concerning. I stopped practicing that particular method for a few years after that actually.

I have however had a lot of mental "fire" from my practice, to the point of ADHD like symptoms. This method has helped me a lot. Speaking of insomnia I need to get to bed, I hope this was coherent enough to give you some ideas.

>>41045237
>better to focus on learning to feel chi first,
the first thing you learn is stillness
lower the noise floor and the signal becomes more apparent

>>41045761
I don't have any knowledge of tibetan practices at all, if you're referring to the meditation that creates heat than no, it's the opposite and much simpler. It is preserved in Mahayana traditions though.

>>41045866
>I'm just asking for the actual source/method so that I can try something myself (like the specific name of the practice/lineage e.g. "Spring Forest Qigong").

Ok than just learn the simplest possible qigong method of working with the San Jiao. Immortal lifts up heaven, or separate heaven and earth, or old man strokes his beard. Afterward try more neidan learn smiling downward through the three san jiao. Literally just take a few of these movements and do them for 6 months, like you are bench pressing to double your lift power. Everyone overlooks how powerful working with the san jiao is, it just takes a lot of repetition and moderate sr, though if you want to force it you can try 100 days training.

>>41045757
>I'm coming from a more tummo angle, that's all
That's quite all right.
>When I learned the post-inhale swallow is when I really started feeling warmth
Not too long ago, I tried adding the tongue suction lock again (on top of the simple version that I do that's only holding Kegels and breaths), and it seemed the trapped heat in my head got worse. And from just one inhale hold.
>I don't know about the chakra stuff
While I'm not too versed in it, to give a couple examples:
>Trying to blow out your crown [chakra] can cause problems for someone who is not used to energy residing there
Maybe that's what I was doing whenever I was trying Wim Hof breathing. Hence my headaches. Another chakra example: if I recall right, a post said edging (masturbation without ejaculation; some use the term gooning) overstimulates the root chakra. Which can lead to constipation. With the cure being prostate defoaming, colon cleanses, and/or enemas.
>>41045934
>I need to get to bed
Feel free to answer this at your convenience after you've had sleep. I don't mean to keep you from sleep.
>返火归原
>Start by massaging yong quan every night before sleep
There's no risk of causing qi deviations via these methods?

>>41045866
here, just take the first 3 exercises. it is the most basic but effective qigong set of all time.

https://youtu.be/ER7qus1hFug?si=9veve2gtMT4u7yit

>>41045989
>Another chakra example: if I recall right, a post said edging (masturbation without ejaculation; some use the term gooning) overstimulates the root chakra. Which can lead to constipation. With the cure being prostate defoaming, colon cleanses, and/or enemas.
its generally not advised to masturbate without ejaculation even if you are trying to rotate sexual energy through the body.

there have been decades of people trying this "solo cultivation" and the only thing it does is fuck up your system even though sexual energy is really strong and at the beginning you really feel like you are doing something.

there may be something to having sex with a woman but not ejaculating, but the dynamics of yang/yin interactions are different when a woman is involved, so you're less likely to unbalance yourself.

in any case, unless you have a strong energetic system and experience working with energy, dealing with a lot of sexual energy is probably going to cause more harm than good for the average 4channer

>>41045274
>Have you felt qi energy, and if so:
>1. What did it feel like?
internally, some sort of energy gradient
transmissions from others, varied to the point where its pretty obvious different lineages of training produce different sorts of siddhis
I've had chi pressed into my bones and it made all my joints feel like they were on fire
another, magnetic feeling maybe almost cool
buddhist, nice and gentle like a pat of warm butter on ya
another, shen level that made the center of my head feel like a lighthouse
>2. What was the method you practiced?
all predicated upon good stillness
once you have that, then you have a basis for any of the other of the 86,000 or however many methods of cultivation the buddha said there was
practice any of it diligently and earnestly and the fruits of that particular practice can be achieved
dont just jump around doing random shit though, when you undertake a particular method you have to give it time and see it through

>>41045989

>There's no risk of causing qi deviations via these methods?

no, think of it as reducing the flame on a pot of boiling water.

Another one you can try for similar effect... (looks a little cult-ish)

https://youtu.be/RZRnXkDmhyk?si=73hdFbhL7mbmEPw6

these are the simplest possible methods that probably can be learned without a teacher, that's why I'm sharing these in particular.

>>41045303
>Right, but like the other senses, could it not be absent in certain individuals?
its really just a matter of dull and duller
>Now that you mention it what you say about heavy mental practices are often paired with chi sinking cool downs
any yang practice needs to be balanced with this afterward
some teachers will stop teaching you if you arent putting in a sufficient amount
raise energies, balance energies
if you dont balance, danger

>>41045367
>Problem is John was one of the last occultists of any actual degrees of power and even his school was heavily degraded
you're not trying very hard if you cant find anyone with a good degree of accomplishment under their belt
several have been mentioned itt

>>41032776
>o you know if there's a solution for guys (especially ones who might have yang constitutions) who do the above, but experience trapped heat in the head and headaches? But no meditation, and the simpler version (no locked tongue suction on the roof of the mouth) of yogic breathing.
facepalm
that stuff will only exacerbate such conditions
stillness, my guy
stillness

>>41045575
its definitely cringe
but just consider that the more powerful and transformative a particular practice is, the more intense/strenuous the ride
if you've got a heart condition, you dont go on the roller coaster, 'nomean?

>>41046021
>any yang practice needs to be balanced with this afterward
I see your meaning now, 100% agreed. You could say that pairing heaven and earth methods is optimal. Dragon and tiger etc.

>>41045414
Look through any meridian chart and fire comes in two phases. the still and running water distinction is harder to find but just go to div and look through the Chinese links that's how I found it the first time.
Medical ended up mashing the two water meridians together eventually.

Roughly speaking taoist thought can be divided into academic, medical, martial, and astrological branches even before any meridians individual schools might have preserved. And this is just a comparison between two houses on the same street

The Chinese had a culture of such constant treachery masters rarely passed on all their knowledge and the deeper understandings especially even before a lot of the less comfortable realities of the art. Refining is an absolute bitch even just having hammered out bout half of it

Occultists in general rarely actually talked to each other and rarely did they develop much understanding of each others schools and the kind of people who can actually read between the lines to parse out how this stuff actually works might be once a gen at best

You people seriously give schools too much credit the kind of intact functional schools a lot of you guys are waiting on are extremely rare and actively being hunted for organs by the commies unless your born in the village right out the schools gates its unreasonable to expect much short a miracle of some guy just dumping the whole teaching.

Mo pai gets the attention it does because its the closest thing to that miracle real deal teaching dump to happen. John neglected his teachings so badly his local school was dead by all practical measures given the time frame needed to train students and the bum crop of weeds he let grow the traditional teaching style he used would have only worked with very dedicated attention by the time he started taking western students he completely blew his chance with the second worthwhile student he ever got

>>41045663
>This is exactly why I have a 2-3 week limit on testing something. If I can't even get a minor result with daily training of that thing, then it likely isn't the method for me, or it's an subpar method.
how do you reconcile this with the fact that it takes about 2 months to solidly establish a habit?
but anyway, if you dont want to put in the time to achieve stillness then your cultivation will forever have a glass ceiling
what are you even looking to accomplish, anyway?

>>41046067
>Occultists
god you are cringe

>>41045712
shit like this happens when you dont balance your practice with stillness
if your lymphatic system is backed up, you need exercise
break a sweat every day, this helps freshen the blood and its really the only decent way you're going to deal with lymphatic issues
dont do any yang style practices for 1-3 months
just sit and be still when its time to meditate

>>41045833
>you learn a lot from sitting or standing in silent meditation with a master.
the energy boost is nice but one should really be relying on his own efforts as much as possible
this is why its important to continue to practice diligently after some time with a master so as to extend the energy boost as long as possible
then again if your master has enough juice, it doesnt matter where anyone's sitting

>>41045934
>The fire is the raw energy taking the form of rebellious qi, lustful thoughts, insomnia, ADHD, etc. I
also analogous to r in Ohm's Law

>>41046067
>You people seriously give schools too much credit the kind of intact functional schools a lot of you guys are waiting on are extremely rare and actively being hunted for organs by the commies unless your born in the village right out the schools gates its unreasonable to expect much short a miracle of some guy just dumping the whole teaching.

That is crazy to think about but it's actually true. My teachers, 3 in total, are from Taiwan, save my first teacher, may he rest, who fled the commies and escaped to Taiwan. I personally wouldn't trust anything from the mainland.

>>41045989
>a post said edging (masturbation without ejaculation; some use the term gooning) overstimulates the root chakra.
yes it does, one should never, ever do that

>>41045995
bdj is good stuff

>>41046088
>the energy boost is nice but one should really be relying on his own efforts as much as possible
Yes of course, but initially the energy must be "washed" and later guided.

>>41046017
that's what all the old chinese people in the parks in brooklyn are doing

>>41046115
Ha, didn't know that, it the easiest one with good results. It needs daily practice at least 300 reps though.

>>41040008
>there should be some kind of standardized simple method

There is; ironically it's the one you specifically tried to call out

>>41046070
>how do you reconcile this with the fact that it takes about 2 months to solidly establish a habit?
Why would you want to solidity a habit for something that you aren't even sure is legit and worth the time and effort yet?

Once I have no doubts something works and I experience it for myself, all of the effort of "making it a habit" goes out of the window because all doubts are removed and that makes practicing easy and then it feels effortless. It's the people who are practicing something with doubts in the back of their mind that need to force something to become a "habit".

>if you dont want to put in the time to achieve stillness then your cultivation will forever have a glass ceiling
I need to first prove to myself that "cultivation" is even something real for me to even feel the weight of those words. There's no point in putting ones cart before their horse. I don't really feel any "FOMO" (Fear Of Missing Out) or pressure for something that I'm skeptical of and I haven't proven it to be true yet. I'll be more invested to put the time into something once I've attained some minor confirmation that it's even real, and feeling qi energy is that minor confirmation when it comes to taking on a lifelong qi gong practice.

>what are you even looking to accomplish, anyway?
My only goal right now (with respect to qi gong, I'm testing other things) is to feel qi energy, that's it. All other things beyond that aren't even on my radar because it would be like stressing about paying taxes and managing my lottery winnings when I haven't confirmed that I have the winning ticket yet.

>>41046459
>There is; ironically it's the one you specifically tried to call out
Rubbing your palms together, which creates warmth and tingles (nerve sensations), and then telling yourself "I feel warmth and/or tingles so this must be chi" is not a method, it's self delusion. You've literally artificially induced the sensations from the start.

The stillness anon itt is right. It's the precursor to any other practice.

Beginnerfag anon who on first attempt felt distinct yin qi projecting from my left hand and yang qi from my right. I did some reflecting/research on why I might've had that initial success, maybe others can find these things helpful somehow. Anons who know more feel free to correct me if I'm suggesting stuff that's full of shit:

(1/2)
>Chinese birth chart elements
I looked mine up and they apparently lend a natural sensitivity to the skin and subtle changes, likely part of why I noticed something right away. Mine also are very "projection" based, which is probably why I immediately felt the qi was extending out from my palms specifically. This is to say, by looking up your own birth charts, you may be able to better understand your strengths and weaknesses and that might help you figure out what methods will be the most useful for you to pursue for results.

>Liquor
I've read a lot liquor and substance use is bad for qigong. However, that first time I felt qi, I was pretty tipsy off sake (weebshit, I know). From what I understand, for someone who is moving and refining their qi, liquor is disruptive and scattering. However, for someone who has never felt it before, a bit of a drink might relax you enough and make you predispositioned to notice the sensations you'd previously overlooked. I don't mean take up drinking to feel something, but next time you've got a bit of a buzz, try laying down in the dark and feel around your body and see if you notice anything.

>3rd eye exercises
In my teens, I often did this thing where I imagined a bunch of black shadowy hands with white eyes painted on the palms projecting out to protect me. It's cringy recollecting it now, but I've found it's very similar to practice of the golden light shield used by taoists. I believe this kind of regular visualization/will exercise may have helped me hone my own sensitivity. It may be worth attempting something similar at night before bed, in whatever visual you like.

>>41047125
(2/2)
>3rd eye pt 2
I had previously attempted on multiple occasions to do "remote viewing" as prompted by /x/ threads. Whether you believe in remote viewing or not, attempting to do this stirred the spot on my forehead where the "third eye" rests. It would often hurt or result in an uncomfortable pressure, and at the time I had no idea what it was or what I was really doing. If attempting like exercises would stir your third eye area, then that might help give you the sensitivity needed to notice your own qi. I imagine trying anything of those sorts of online "psychic tests" like picturing the hidden image/number might help, if doing so gives you that tingle/pressure around your third eye (if you are just taking logical guesses, I think it defeats the purpose. You don't really "think", nor imagine, you start to learn to flash visualize like an extra sense of sorts). I don't think you need the results of the tests to be successful, or even believe they can be successful, you just need to exercise the physical area of your "third eye".

I personally believe the most important thing with these exercises is to do what feels right for you, or natural to you (within reason). If laying feels more comfortable than sitting upright to practice, lay instead. If something only feels stupid and uncomfortable to do, find an alternative or don't do it (ie. rubbing your hand over your belly to "store qi" just sounded retarded to me and I couldn't feel any results trying something that made me feel like a clown. Not every practice will be for everyone).

Since I felt my qi for the first time, I now feel it is always there and probably always had been. It's like how you don't really pay attention to your heart beat, but if you focus on it, you can feel it there. Despite how mental or spiritual much of this sounds, it's very much a physical phenomena and sensation.

>>41046591
>Why would you want to solidity a habit for something that you aren't even sure is legit and worth the time and effort yet?
traditionally the solution to this was to go train in person with a master or high level practitioner and see evidence that this undoubtedly worked.

Or rather, you studied with someone who was known to have high attainment and you trusted that the process they showed you eventually led to some results.

Now you can get all "Karate kid" and debate about the politics of "inner door" and "outer door" disciples and whether you were being taught something that would lead to something or if it was useless material to hide the real family secrets and protect the lineage from outsiders while getting chores done around the masters house, or whether you were actually building the foundation for something the master would eventually reveal to you when you were ready...

But while that may have some historical significance we all know that at this point it's just more excuses for people on the internet to argue and not just do the damn practice.

i want to learn but am a coomer
fucking succubi stealing my qi