Charles Manson is a controversial figure: he claimed to have spoken with God, believed in a race war and prophecies, and ultimately descended into crime and imprisonment.>If you consider these substances to be tools or sacred plants, how do you interpret his journey?
He's unironically a CIA agent.
>>41031475Read David McGowan. Charles Manson was brainwashed by the government, ie he's a fed, don't look to him for spiritual teachings. Even if you agree with one or two of the things he says, the rest of it is all tainted by MKUltra and Satanism. Real Satanism, not atheism with an edgy hat.
>>41031475Also, drugs aren't a pathway towards enlightenment. Some rich asshole doing ayahuasca isn't doing something worthwhile for themselves, same for someone who uses psychedelic mushrooms as escapism and thinks they're learning anything of value. They aren't. The drugs are a crutch for people too lazy to achieve altered states of consciousness without consistent practice and meditation. That's not to say there aren't certain spirits that have an affinity for different plants, and it's fun to do drugs occasionally, but you can't let yourself start to think it's the end-all be-all. You can do anything if you really try, without getting high, I mean it.
>>41031700Thank you for your comment. Personally, in my psychedelic experiences with LSD, I mostly felt positive energies, connection, never hatred. That's why I have trouble associating this type of substance with what Manson represented.I understand your point of view that he could have been manipulated, like MK-ULTRA, and that his message was corrupted.But that leads me to a question:>If some of the things he said still contained an element of truth, which ones do you think still carried a beautiful energy before being distorted?Because I have the impression that psychedelics, at their core, open us to peace and light rather than destruction.
>>41031766The problem is that we live in an increasingly fast-paced and materialistic society. It's difficult to devote several hours a day to meditation, for years, to achieve the altered state of consciousness you're talking about. Yes, this path is undoubtedly better, as it brings more mindfulness and better integration of experiences into daily life, but it remains very difficult to put into practice.
>>41031502I knew he had occult connections, but I didn't expect this much. Especially from the government.In my psychedelic research, I was more interested in Timothy Leary than Manson. I made the right choice without realizing it, and I'm glad I did.
>>41031800Anon you aren't being tortured while you're on LSD that's why you're having good experiences with it. It's a fun thing to do. Think of it like alcohol, I personally have a great time when I'm drunk, I'm very happy and social, but a lot of people get angry and violent, some people cry a lot, etc.. Sometimes alcohol is used to make people more pliable and easily controlled. It's all shades of grey, it isn't a binary good or bad. It's the same for psychedelic drugs, if you do some research into it you'll find they're very commonly used by the government during torture/brainwashing. Other people use them to manage depression. >could have been manipulatedNo my friend, he's tied up in all that wicked government shit. Seriously, find a free copy of David McGowan's book Programmed to Kill online somewhere and ctrl+f to the section that talks about Charles Manson.
>>41031820https://archive.org/details/ProgrammedToKillDavidMcGowan2004Page 131 chap 13, read it.
>>41031838>>41031870Thanks for your help, I'm going to start reading, so I asked GPT to recommend which page to read and he replied page 131, page 145-146 and page 163.
>>41031475He was an actor, like all famous people. His job was to make you afraid of spiritual communities.
