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>In case of urges:
- https://imgur.com/gallery/g4eGH
- Don't peek and Hold your breath for as long as you possibly can. The urge usually pass after that. If not, repeat.
- Horse stance or chair pose: Do it while clenching the abdomen and all legs' muscles, raise arms for extra blood flow redirection. Works both for killing erections or urges.
- Any physical activity.

On long clean streaks many report benefits that transcend current science like a sort of "magnetism" or higher "vibration/aura" that attracts/appeals to other living beings, a higher perception, a stronger and intimidating "aura/presence", a deeper connection with nature, an attractive BO (people usually report it as "pheromones") and more.

>Advices:
- Mental Purity 1.1: Semen Retention acts as a bio-electromagnetic amplifier. Watch the quality of your thoughts because your inner state will get amplified and manifested. Lust is the Ojas killer. Do not engage with Lust.
- Mental Purity 1.2: Keep a journal as a tool for introspection.
- NEVER watch porn of any kind.
- Remove triggers from your life. Masturbation is a bad habit. Break that bad habit.
- Focus on achieving a goal. An art, a craft, competing, etc.
- Meditate and/or Pray Daily. Try a minimum of 5 minutes to start off.
- Exercise/Gym/Sports/Martial Arts. If it is something social even better.
- Good habits like healthy eating, water fasting, dry fasting, sun exposure and cold showers do seem to speed up the process.
- Sublimation: literally using the energy.
- Transmutation: changing the quality of energy to something different. (Surya Namaskara, 8 brocades, Tibetan rites)
- Avoid stimulant drugs such as caffeine or adderall

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Keep in mind that the efferent nerves attached to your testes means that any lustful thought, image, or sound is a command to your junk to produce sexual fluids and this is the reason why celibacy is first and foremost of the mind.
The root of this entire matter is the mind - without conquering the mind, celibacy is a futile effort. The signals from the brain happen on the subconscious autonomic level
This is why any lustful thought, image, or sound is necessarily a command to the sexual organs to produce sexual fluids (the more intently you look, the higher amplitude of a signal gets sent: body > afferent nerves > brain > efferent nerves > body)
Therefore "Conversion of sexual energy to something" is a HORRIBLY inefficient process (Not to confuse with Sexual Transmutation)
Fluids will be reabsorbed, but the energy and materials cost to make it vs how much is "taken back" via reabsorption is SEVERELY unbalanced and super net negative
Sexual fluids are made from the cream of the crop of the body's resources - constantly generating them means that you are constantly draining away your resources.
Taoist writings said that the sexual organs will even take primacy over nourishing your other internal organs at some point. (Thus, doing a spiritual practice as a coomer is a surefire way to die faster).

>/SRG/ interesting reads
https://pastebin.com/qbTd4Lai
https://pastebin.com/dzA2yCdr
"Returning fire to (it's) origin." Used to calm sexual energy, obtrusive thoughts etc. There are several methods, none of them are over complicated, as far as qigong goes. One basic method is to massage the yong quan point (kindney 1) a few hundred times before bed. The feeling is that the sexual energy, rebellious qi, nervous energy, lustful thoughts, settle / sink into a sort of container where they don't cause problems, and instead generate a calm powerful energy. Give it a try.
>https://www.acupuncture.com/education/points/kidney/kid1.htm

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Scientific evidence:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12506329/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7114956/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28531319/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11532469/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6706874/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21924714/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11760788/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17268169/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12659241/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11835982/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23167900/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26310879/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24871202/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29725310/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5324617/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432815002570
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2012.665815?journalCode=usmt20

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It’s always good to remember why /x/ is the most accurate place for this topic: semen retention is one of the clearest paranormal inducing thing of all the other topics discussed on /x/. It’s a sacred practice that has been the one of the main focuses in every major religion or spiritual practices. The mystical side of it is what we try to focus on in here.

Semen retention can be political issue too and it would then belong to /pol/. The porn industry is a tool made by the jews to deterioate the societies and corrupt the people. The porn works in ways that program new sets of behaviour in its audience and the audience is hooked to it because of its strong addictive qualities. The most important goal for porn’s male audience was and is the releasing of their semen. As we now know, the disadvantages of cooming are heavy: a man becomes less of a man, he gets sick and weak, his mind numbed, he will have impotence issues etc. Also his spirit almost dies.

Semen retention is beneficial to make one healthier and stronger, more fit, if you will. So the topic could be discussed on /fit/. Anyone looking for more ways to get fitness gains would benefit hugely from the SR.

Also the SR has so many other benefits that it could be discussed in the /adv/ board. These would be topics how it improves one’s social life, mental state, makes more time to be more productive etc.

But I think the biggest benefits of SR are something mystical in nature and the whole practice is fundamentally something very close to spiritual side of things. All the other topics in here /x/ are left far behind and SR actually makes this board of any relevancy. This is also known by the enemy and they make strong efforts to suppress, hijack, twist and end this discussion.

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# # # THREAD HYGIENE PSA # # #

Starve the shillery.
No attention for them.
No replies.
Focus.
On.
The.
Prize.

(Pro tip > Hide shill posts: Click on the arrow next to the post number, click 'Hide', Comfy.)

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Bros.. theres been a lot of posts lately of people with long streaks and no benefits, post some hopium it is already hard enough to retain. Wheres the benefit posts?

self control is not a benefit?
if theres something you have complete control over, have the desire to do so, and still struggle with it, how is overcoming that not a benefit?

>>41032248
Accurate graph.

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first time hitting a 2 week streak, counting the days really makes a difference, at least on the beginning

>>41032461
the best hopium is to start your own benefits journal. day to day, you might just have normal days and forget the benefits because it becomes your new normal. but when you read back and you review experiences you know you wouldn't have had without SR, that's when it adds up. currently on 200 something days, now trying to puritymax with zero porn and zero online lust

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>>41032461
Retaining helps you let go of attachments and naturally flow with the source energy of the world, God.
If you ever felt like a spirit trapped in a human body that wants to break free, or that there's something missing from your life, this is your chance to reconnect with the divine light and get out of the darkness.

>>41032461
When you start retaining, all the time you spend gooning and lusting is suddenly unnecessary leaving you with a lot of free time. The longer you wait to make use of it the more you get used to that habit (being lazy/non-productive/etc). People don't just randomly say that this practice energizes, fuel or even powers them up. Then you have to think the following: What does it power up?

When you level up you allocate your skill and attribute points. Same thing here. When you level up; life becomes easier, you try face harder challenges.

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Anyone else have trouble sleeping on clean streak?

Also, full moon soon which makes it worse -_-

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>>41032461
>Bros.. theres been a lot of posts lately of people with long streaks and no benefits, post some hopium it is already hard enough to retain. Wheres the benefit posts?

I've posted here and there in some of the past threads mostly from a couple months ago and am currently working on a write up so I can just copy paste everything once its finished detailing long term benefits, processes, and what is required beyond SR. Just have a little more patience. Its getting long though so I may have to edit some as well although I don't want to.

Tons of supernatural effects, experiences & benefits.

Christian Monk/Mystic Edition. I simply follow the way, the life, and the truth that is Lord Jesus Christ.

I've been practicing SR for almost just over 9.5 years and am nearing around 3 years on my current streak. I don't count the exact days. About a dozen total orgasms in that decade time frame mostly early on from nocturnal emissions which I have found remedy to now.

Those posts are either demoralization shills or people who are doing the bare minimum which is JUST physically refraining from orgasm/ejaculation.

>>41032593
>almost just over 9.5 years

Almost a decade, just over 9.5 years.* Probably 9 years and 8 or 9 months to pinpoint more

>>41032593
can you share your benefits?

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I've commited a great sin against my partner. I finished the relationship and will pay for her therapy. I feel no longer human. She forgave me but I just let lust run wild and now she is gone. That event was on 5 days of retention, I know that if my streak was longer this would not have happened. We were drunk and high and we danced all night. I think I'm gonna become permanently celibate. May God have mercy on me

If anyone has any advice or help on permanent celibacy I would greatly appreciate it

>>41032704
lmao what on earth did you do?
sr shouldn't turn you into a demon

>>41032593
i see posts like this from time to time... but they never come back with their "write up".. never post their benefits, etc

>>41032738
We were having sex with no condom, she asked me to put one on and I told her to shut up while pinning her hands. Stopped at around 10 seconds I think. We went to sleep after that.

>>41032755
That doesn't seem like something that would cause a break-up plus therapy. Stuff like that happens in every relationship

Day 23. Had a great night's sleep, was the most productive at work by far amongst my coworkers, and made them all laugh throughout the whole day. I was in a complete flow state throughout the day. I just got past 2-3 days of flatline, expecting it to last longer but I'm clearly out of it now. The benefits are real.

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>>41032746

I will. Its possible it was me who said that in a previous thread. I've been organizing the information for maybe 3 or 4 weeks roughly. Mostly in my mind and the last two weeks actually writing it out.

>>41032653
I can post an image though of some old replies with some decent information I tried to tag you can find in the archives

I tried to post the tags so people could easily read them and find the threads but it always says its spam no matter how I reformat. If you are willing type in the numbers from the reply on 4plebs archive and go through the thread. I think one was from end of june or so.

Otherwise the thread will be coming soon. Maybe a week or just a little more.

Pic rel

>>41032248
there is nothing wrong about wet dreams

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85 days on SR checking in. Only peeked once like 3 weeks ago, other than that has been a clean streak.

>>41032996

It can be an indication of spiritual attacks/succubi or a result of entertaining lust in the mind or heart both of which can lead to nocturnal emissions which set you back. Its a warning sign & problem.

>meditation
I never got this. I do perfectly fine without sitting somewhere for an extended period of time and thinking.

>>41033276
The same could be said for female attraction often reported by SR practicers. They usually try to find a scientific explanation but if the devil sees you walking away from sexual degeneracy he's going to send succubus after you. Usually, demonic influence begins with sexual degeneracy.

>>41033295
What happens if you're evil-aligned and do semen retention anyway? Does God come in and cleanse the person? Or do they just get an energy boost?

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Day 10. Floating the thought of quitting vaping, but I worry that the withdrawal symptoms will make SR too difficult. I've quit several times in the past, for as long as 9 months. I'm not really sure how to describe it, I guess nicotine makes me feel more "grounded" in reality. I become more aware of my present surroundings and less impulsive.
I also go to the gym and practice cardio four days per week.
It appears that vaping (both nicotine and nicotine-free liquid) decereases the body's available testosterone, and lowers the total sperm count and longevity of it. No good for SR, huh?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10053939/

daily reminder to ignore the detractors and demoralisation attempts... the benefits from SR speak for themselves... nuff said.

>>41033311
No wonder vaping makes you feel grounded. Because, you are in a constant withdrawal and the nicotine makes you feel normal again. But please don't think about quitting. Either you don't vape or you do. Put yourself in one category and stick with it, there is no fence sitting allowed here.

>>41033311
>doing drugs

>>41033329
The people saying there aren’t any benefits likely never make it to 90 days+ or are engaging in other vices like drinking or drugs.

>>41033311
>Day 10
If you can make it 10 days without nicotine that is usually the turning point. Good luck, anon. Nobody needs nicotine, men were Jew'd into thinking it's good to take this. It's not, the guys who smoke at my work are cranky, scatter-brain, disappointing examples of men. Nicotine robs you of your ability to sit still in peace.

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>>41032461
Recently had four month streak, benefits were profound. Had two wet dreams and coomed twice with a girl now gonna ride the wave again forever ideally

>>41032593
Image and post are insanely based. Hope you post it soon and I don’t miss it anon

>>41032941
Tagging the posts with a single > should work

Is caffeine okay?

>>41033329
The benefits: You get to live younger and healthier
The cons: No gooning
I don't doubt that semen retention does work for its intended purpose, but I find it hard for a hedonist pessimist like myself. Longest I've gone without jerking it is a month and that relapse was one of the most blissful orgasms of my life. Like a weight was lifted, and I just kept shooting out cum like crazy.

>>41033618
Caffeine is a drug. A stimulant so no. Quit drinking that crap

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Gonna kick off my streak with a three day water fast

>>41033672
Stop saying what you plan on doing and just fucking do it

Been on some long streaks for the last couple years. I coomed like 5 times today, and I did last Friday as well. Feels pretty bad, of course. I was stressed out, in a lot of pain mentally and emotionally. I eventually caved, I wanted to feel good even if for a moment. It's the lethargy that lasts for days afterward that gets to me. I'm not as young as I used to be, I really notice it now. There is the shame, too. I'm not just your average fapper. I hate my predilections. Hopefully tomorrow is a better day.

>>41033709
He's not going to do it. He won't make it to three days. Water fasting is a meme, it's all bullshit. Just eat a well balanced diet.

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>>41033709
>>41033723
noticing a lot of negative energy in this threads lately.
It seems the Archons have infiltrated this place too.
I knew it was inevitable.
So long /x/

>>41033723
>being addicted to food
Cope

>>41030554
>I am not confused and what you wrote is exactly what I've seen a hundred times before.
Yeah, you are, right from the start you went on the defensive because you wanted validation.
I'm sorry if I touched a nerve as it's clear I did but it be like that even if you don't like it, you're free to live your life as you want though.

>>41033775
I'm not a fat boy like you. The key is to only eat when truly hungry and make sure you're only 80% of the way to feeling full. The more you try to restrict yourself, the less you will get accomplished.

>>41032704
Find a girl you can do raw bro birth control is at Walmart now

I just busted a huge nut to a femdom nun video calling me a sinner pervert animal.

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>>41032248
OP chart shows whoever made it has no idea how a flow-chart works... for instance if you "Take a shower" you're stuck there forever

>>41033905
Try it

>>41033916
brb endless shower

>>41033292
>meditation
>thinking

Gonna take a break from the thread for a while, I'll post back when I'm at day 40 or 50. Between the demoralizer shills, the moralizer tryhards, and the off chance I click over to /gif/, it's just not worth it. Good luck to (you) retainers out there. I'll be back in two weeks or so.

>>41033618
Yes. Its called semen retention not caffeine retention.

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>>41033905
I always bake my SRG threads in the shower. Where else?

>>41033311
How the heck vaping causes all that?
is that true for both tobacco too?

>>41033945
>implying caffeine is retained

>>41033750
I ignore if they are archons or not but it seems as more reditards infiltrate 4chan you see more and more retarded takes, the whole water/dry fasting doesn't work meme has been floating around /x/ for a while, which is like wtf isn't this place supposed to be about spiritual practices?

Like over a month in & reminded of how the Limbo phase is truly worse than being on a binge. Everything just sucks and you don’t want to do anything but be alone

I'm meditating 20 minutes a day (not super good at it but maybe i'll improve), taking only cold showers, letting go of/crushing any lustful thoughts when they arise instead of entertaining them. Eating several fruits a day, high protein, lots of vegetables and healthy fats sometimes with meat. No porn, no masturbation, no orgasm, no lustful thoughts causing erections.
What else should I add to increase my odds? I'm doing everything I can think of to make retention work for potential benefits, wanna make sure I'm not missing anything

>>41034497
You really can't half ass SR at all. You have to be fully committed. No excuses.

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>>41033292
meditation has nothing to do with thinking

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>>41033311
vaping is probably almost as gay as reddit or crypto

>didn't peek nor fantasize at all
>had 2 wet dreams in one week
AAAAAAAAA

Can someone post the wojak day tracker chart? The one with the yellow background.

Semen retention makes sense if you had your own house to take a women in. That isn't the case with the current economy. Nobody can afford anything these days.

semen retention makes sense if you have a race war to participate in

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I'm on month 3. I feel happier. I don't get mad as much. I don't feel sad as often. I am overall better.
But there's this emptiness in my soul now. A feeling of no purpose. Is this normal?

>>41034900
your internal metals are prepared for the great change which is procreating if you have a wife or raiding adjacent and distant tribes to claim spoils and potentially a mate
unfortunately society is broken because of every variety of nigger being present everywhere with neo liberal values
so you are left idling with extremely dense metals and no way to use them aside from slavery to the great ancient evil which we are fortunately slowly destroying

semen retention makes sense if you're not a poor nigger

semen retention makes sense if you need to physically and psychologically dominate schizophrenic niggers

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>>41033528

I love the image as well. Christ is the Lord. I will title the thread "Semen Retention General- Christian Mystic Edition" when I make it so you can either look for that in the near future or simply type that into the archives to search for it in the future if you think you missed it.

>>41033611

Thanks I'll test that with the tagged replies from that image in this thread tomorrow sometime to see if it works

8 days clean.
Something strange happened yesterday evening.
I played some video games (Landnama) while my daughter and wife were sleeping. Landnama games are short, so after 30 minutes or so I went to sleep.
When I laid down, I had an immediate rock-hard erection.
I really don't know why it happened. Can't be the game itself (look it up), and I had absolutely no sexual thought all day.
Is it the leisure itself ? How to prevent this from happening ?

>>41032584
Initially you could have some trouble. Three years ago I did a long streak of a few months. I had trouble but I also had to take into account that at the time I went through some personal things and I also drank a lot of coffee where I worked.

I'm currently on a long streak where I have to get up early for work and it shifted my sleep patterns drastically. I used to go to sleep past twelve but due to my job I'm so tired that I go to bed before ten.

I've also figured since coffee changes how tired you feel. I've made the rule: No coffee after twelve in the evening.

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>>41035046
Your brain was busy during the videogame session, blood was rushing to your head, not your dick. It's common knowledge that the smarter you are, the less horny you are. Why? Because smarter people use more brain power, all the blood is continuously rushing to the brain. Stupid people behave like animals because they don't think. This also why they have more sex.

Also,
>random erections is le bad
This is simply a way of your body telling you "Hey, you alright? Go find a wife bro!!". It's perfectly normal. I have no idea why it's frowned upon in these threads. You fuckers can bitch about shills but you do sure make it easy with all these retarded statements huh? Anyway.

>>41035118
You are bad at this.
>the smarter you are, the less horny you are
I don't think so.
>>random erections is le bad
It"s not the erection itself but the blue balls that may follow, especially after months of retention.

>>41035118
>le bad
>le le le le
can you please stop talking like a retard of the reddit kind, kthxbye
>You fuckers can bitch about shills
oh hi there weener!

>>41032593
>>41033611
Or you could compile it in a text and post it as a link to some anonymous downloader, or both.
Tags might not work for everybody because a lot use the default 4chan ui, which will stop working when the thread gets pruned, and there's been cases of 4chan, or the archives, or both going offline at once.

>>41032941
post some kind of code now so that i can search in archives when you post the full document and include that code in your posted thread. I don't follow these threads daily and posts like yours are gem and don't want to miss

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>>41032248
> 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
> Philippians 3:14
anon, you are going to make it. the strength that works within you is greater than anything that is in this world. it is done.

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>>41035038
God Bless, my brother in Christ.

Can't even complete 3 full days. Just lost on 2.5

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there's interesting post in another thread:

>>41035388

>2. Semen retention crowd on /x/ is twisted and what was initially a care for moderation and reminder to pursue greater things rather than cheap dopamine hits, became - ironically enough - a circlejerk for spiritually and socially stunted people like >>41035292 to feel superior and delude themselves that the secret to greatness is merely a cheat of not stroking their penis, because it's easy compared to actual effort of lifelong practice and facing uncomfortable truths to refine one's own character and spirit.
what /srg/ thinks about it? it kinda hurts but anon is also kinda right - too many people are in it just greedily expecting superpowers with no other practice (>>41032461 mentions it) and too many anons became self-absorbed jerks about the whole thing.
i worry we went in the wrong direction, praising benefits too much, teaching no perspective and drawing scum to /srg/.

I know this a somewhat common symptom, But after a while I'm just procrastinating for a long time,
I feel like I can't concentrate on anything, and even though I'm not horny, there is that urge in the back of my mind, like wanting to high off feeling horny
normally I would just jack off be done with it, but instead I'm wasting around

>>41035422 goal is to have control your emotions like you have over your hands and fingers, of course when you have such a control over your mind (responsible for lust), you will have lot of powers, it's not beneficial if you reach a year but you are repressing and can relapse at any moment. I'm learning, this is my understanding of this at this moment

>>41035422
adding to that, majority of posts in here and reddit subreddits are made by midwits, they will midwitise any topic, I bet majority here have not even read a single book recommended in the threads. If you are little intelligent you'll gather all the information needed and start your own journey of research and experiments and you don't need others opinions

>>41035451
>goal is to have control your emotions like you have over your hands and fingers
You won't get that from semen retention. Lust is a small and often not even very prominent part of various peoplr's lives.
>of course when you have such a control over your mind (responsible for lust), you will have lot of powers
Holding back from indulging lust will train basic discipline. It's beneficial but on its own it won't give you too much control over your own mind nor give you any powers. You overestimate yourself and how far-reaching the effects of semen retention are.

Which makes >>41035422 right - too many anons just praised it to high heavens to convince as many anons as they could and created unrealistic expectations for semeb retention alone. Even OP's "Why do it?" benefits random anons reported others take as guaranteed benefits if they'll just abstain long enough - even if they'll do nothing else with their lives.

Without it being part of greater self-refinement practice, semen retention won't give you any spiritual development. It may still be healthy, but people saying it'll give them powers are coping - if it'd be this easy, any asexual, libidoless or observing celibacy for whatever reason person (and there's quite a feq of those, due to religious or ideological reasons) would be a magical superhuman. They aren't.

>>41035474
>adding to that, majority of posts in here and reddit subreddits are made by midwits
Sometimes it saddens me how common that is (and worried how much I may be responsible for it myself).

I had the worst urges on day 4 today and I relapsed. I hate this.
I've been working out daily as well but it looks like I am not pushing myself enough.
I'm gonna push even further working out.

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>>41034859
Sure.

>>41034703
If you still drink caffeine, nicotine, or alcohol, STOP.

Also, you might want to give microcosmic orbit a try for sexual transmutation.

Pray.. go on long walks

It's crazy how when you're on a flatline,
All these negative posts really speak to you... and tempt you to quit

Be gone, Satan!

>>41033723
Nah. Fasting is good for you, it resets your body so it can actually rest from constantly digesting food and finally heal itself. Also makes parasites seethe and die lol

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>>41034900
>there's this emptiness in my soul now. A feeling of no purpose.
With this newfound potential that has formed from SR you naturally long for a use of this potential but have no outlet. Find one, I suggest serving the Lord. He will definitely make the best use of any potential you have. Accept him today, he loves you very much!

>>41035427
You just put in to words something I've experienced a lot. The longer a streak goes, the more it can consume your life, and because there are constant urges, the only thing that keeps you from relapsing is focusing on how long your streak is and reading SR posts, etc. Like, watching a movie or whatever, that just starts to bore me. I think the issue is not being truly distracted. If you're THINKING about SR too much, and about how you're not using porn, is there really no porn in your life?

>>41035118
lmao holy fuck this can't be a real person
you are so fucking dumb

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>>41034900
im only a month in but I am finding many truths by just looking back at my past to understand what made me happy in a more pure state
like I had some mental real estate freed up so to speak and I'm putting back what I lost over the years since apparently I understood myself better as a child

>>41035038
i really like the depiction of halos

>>41035422
SRG general is for beginners. the reading list gets your feet moving in the right direction. if you spend 7 minutes using google you can find some more advanced resources. these generals barely scratch the surface. they've also gone dramatically downhill in the last 6 months. but everyone has to start somewhere. the 4chan arrogance is unfortunate however, most people here are spiritually corrupt and live toxic lives.

I broke after a month. I didn't notice anything really durring the time, but the orgasim alone was a billion times fucking better than when I was constantly jacking off so I'm still counting it as win.

>>41036122
So go for another 30 days

Is there such a thing as SR-induced Mania?

>>41036117
got any reading recommendations?

>>41035427
With porn you get massive hits of Dopamine - the reward neurochemical - for doing basically nothing.
Dopamine is supposed to motivate you to do productive things, but the reward you feel for doing those things is greatly eclipsed by the porn Dopamine hit, so they don't feel worth doing.

It takes a couple months of clean streak to reset, and you will start to regain sensitivity to those smaller Dopamine doses and regain motivation.

>>41036172
accurate. and what people don't realize is that a normal dopamine pathway should motivate you to take risks (like asking a woman out), because we need the concept of great reward to take great risks.

in essence, porn ruins your entire life through this mechanism alone.

>>41036172
>>41036176
Guys why do shithead redditors constantly try to dispute this. Every fucking thread for SR on Reddit is "UMMM AKTUALLY THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS!" And "ITS MORE UNHEALTHY TO LET SEMEN BUILD"

Only thing I can think is that they're just retarded hedonists. A lot of the accounts as well are women so I also theorize they don't like men actually learning discipline and restraint.

I know from experience it makes me more productive and even if I do coom after a month or two the orgasm is like I've ascended so it's a fucking win-win.

>>41036188
desu I wouldn't be surprised if they were all bots working for specific agendas you know

>>41036188
there is something about reddit that is inescapably NPCish. it doesn't matter which community I go to, they just instantly default to whatever the hivemind says. must be the public downvotes/upvotes.

why does abstaining from cooming make me want to lift weights? i don't get it

>>41036237
the noncoomer yearns for the struggle

>>41036188
There is no scientific evidence that sr and nofap work. You will have to accept that and in general it has always been more spiritual and mental than a physical journey. They also have a large overlap with more conservative values so you have nu-nazis treating sr and nofap as puritan movements and use it as more proof to hyper deamonize sexuality and sex when both are mainly about not being addicted to porn and sex and tryinf to get back to a normal life style.

>>41036188
>Only thing I can think is that they're just retarded hedonists.
well yeah, they're redditors

>>41036267
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

said about 2,000 years ago

>>41036315
This alone should prove to anyone that watching porn is satanic and antichrist

I have a high body count (80+), and now, as I approach one year on SR, I'm trying to make sense of what those girls meant to me.

Were they just tools I used for masturbation? Or am I spiritually connected to them now?

>>41036205
to be fair there is also plenty of bots on 4chan now

>>41036050
>The longer a streak goes, the more it can consume your life, and because there are constant urges, the only thing that keeps you from relapsing is focusing on how long your streak is and reading SR posts
That does not happen though, the longer the streak the less intensity the urges have and the easier it becomes to keep focused on something else. If after a 6 months or 1 year streak you are still spending the whole day in your bed looking at the roof that's a situation you need to take care of.

>>41032248
SR is cool but the constant use of wojak infographics make me feel like these threads are made by brown people.

>>41036764
there are no white people on 4chan anymore.
this entire site is brown people

>>41035422
>a circlejerk for spiritually and socially stunted people like >>41035292(Cross-thread) to feel superior and delude themselves
That anon is right, it attracts a lot of bizarre characters, all sorts of relicucks that take it as a platform for preaching, shady ones trying to mislead anons genuinely interested in seeing if there is something more to life that wasting it away in a pmo binge, it's become cultish also because you see a lot of people using it to feel better about themselves and even superior amongst the rest.
What can you do? That is the nature of every single frigging human agglomeration.
>>41035516
>too many anons just praised it to high heavens to convince as many anons as they could and created unrealistic expectations for semeb retention alone.
I've been consistently attacked on this threads for trying to keep it grounded and realistic and for insisting it has nothing to do with religion or cults, who knew there was something to it, and a lot of the shit is not organic either.
In the end the best thing every person can do is what this anon suggests >>41035474 and just gather the most valuable information and start their own journeys, and that applies to pretty much all things in life.

Are you all enjoying your fake CIA mysticism?

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>>41036833
>the CIA wants you to stop watching porn
lol good one

>>41036862
Nice frog picture, you really tricked me. Retard

>>41036899
They do it to please their goofy
Rosicrucian god

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>>41035118
pretty good 8/10

>>41035925
Currently just caffeine, I stopped drinking alcohol many months ago and feel much better for it. I'll think about caffeine, I've heard bad stuff about consuming it for blood flow to the brain. Never smoked or did any nicotine stuff before.

>>41032248
Had a thought today. The devil has such an easy job. All it takes is a few glances from women to bribe retainers into staying obsessed with the material. Make yourselves more expensive to possess at the very least.

>>41036794
Guys feeling powerful for the first time in their lives with only one place to release their autis-manic thoughts will make these threads very retarded. I don’t judge. There’s a reason the successful among us only stop by from time to time. You can only get joy out of this place by having it already and giving the site enough space for it to remain novel.

>>41035643
Thanks fren

>>41035643
7 days a level is more in tune with the calendar

>>41037592
I know this chart can be a bit discouraging because after two whole weeks of not jerking off you are still well with the depraved coomer stage. This is not inaccurate though because in reality the first 30 days ain’t shit in terms of SR. It also shows you how steep the climb back up can be after you fall, so it reminds one not to relapse.

>>41037654
just add more levels

>>41037661
no my point is that the levels aren’t wrong.

>>41037725
but 10 days a level in not in tune with calendars. Normally people feel they completed a cycle at the end of the week. Imagine its Sunday and you still have 3 days left to complete the level. That makes it feel like an unrealistic goal which leads to fapping. 10 days will also throw you off the rhythm because instead of expecting every Sunday to be the end of the level it goes from Wednesday, the Saturday after, then Tuesday after. It just messes with your rhythm.

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>>41036039
>If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord", and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)
This directly contradicts Jesus Christ in Matthew 7:21

>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven

>>41037966
Some of us are terminally online NEETs who don't discriminate the days of the week.

>>41038006
Go read John 6:29

>>41036794
>I've been consistently attacked on this threads for trying to keep it grounded and realistic and for insisting it has nothing to do with religion or cults
You may be attacked and it may mean little from a random anon but you're doing a good work as does >>41035388 - cult circlejerks are the worst thing for one's spiritual development, I hate the corruption and elitism they brought and anons ITT need a reminder that we're no one special just because we practice retention and we'll never become such if we will lie to ourselves that's enough to become more than we were - and anons are idiots for deluding themselves otherwise.

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>>41038279

I'm not even sure what >>41035388 is exactly saying in point #1.

Otherwise point # 2 the only part that is true is that SR is one facet in progress albeit its arguably one of the most important parts since life-force energy, prana, or spirit can't flourish if its not retained.

#3 is just wrong.

Deep faith is another part that is absolutely essential for success in addition to SR for those who want supernatural benefits, experiences, and effects. Many skeptical of deep faith see it as cultish possibly.

I rarely see the elitist circle jerks that he is suggesting happen here. If anything its almost more often the opposite. People seem to air grievances about their struggles some of which is organic but a lot very likely is demoralization shills.

Shills don't want people to turn from PMO & attempt SR because it starts with improving oneself physically, mentally, emotionally but it often ends with that person finding God. People want to separate God from the equation here and still reap the benefits and after nearly a decade of SR as I mentioned here >>41032593 one finds its simply not possible.

I've used 4Chan for a long time & there are organized campaigns on most of the boards to deter people from both specifically faith in Lord Jesus Christ and any type of self improvement.

Probably other topics but those two I've noticed the most.

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i eat lots of sugar every day
i spend 10+ hours every day scrolling youtube shorts, reddit, x, chan
i spend hours listening to music thinking i should be doing something

then i get extremely agitated, so i have to coom

how do i stop this? i dont want to stop but im getting so agitate every day, i furiously SCROLL SCROLL SCROLL until i find something mindly interesting and if i dont quick, i get so fucking angry i grip my mouse like a monkey grip and scroll more until it hits

how do i stop?

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It's been 50 days

>>41038554
ANSWER ME

>>41038590
Start practicing meditation

>>41038595
i cant i have adhd

i either fall asleep or i see random intrusive visions in front of my eyes

>>41038607
>making excuses

you already lost

>>41038590
meds

I relapsed at around day 24-25 boys. At the very least... The silver lining is that I was not using porn. Quick rundown of what I experienced

There is an image posted about the surge of prolactin following orgasm, and how it lasts for about 2 weeks. This was definitely my experience, a little after 2 weeks in was when I needed significantly less sleep and had more energy. Not that I had any idea of what to do with my newfound energy, but I had it nonetheless.

Noticed more women looking and smiling my way, this was even when I was feeling shitty/down on myself. I know that this can't just be a placebo

Dreams were way more vivid near the end of my streak, and they were mostly about love/companionship.

Post Orgasmic Hangover is a thing after relapse. I slept immediately after, my dream was hardly even a dream. It was like a deep sleep, and even though there were things happening it was like looking through a stained glass the entire time. Like a sense of my dreams barely being impressionistic.

I also feel very empty atm, and I feel sad. Prior to my relapse I was feeling angry/frustrated. Here's to making it to at least 90 days next time boys

>>41038607
Sigh

Hundreds of these threads later and we still don’t have a definitive answer about whether or not it is ok to ejaculate during sex with human female. The obvious answer is no but last time I had sex I was on a month long streak and ejaculated almost immediately. Luckily I pulled out and was able to stop the ejaculation with every ounce of willpower I had. Had to put on a condom to continue fucking her because the sensation of raw sex was too powerful. I don’t want to bust immediately and I don’t want to wear condoms.
What do?

>>41038791
>is it okay to not retain semen if you’re doing semen retention
This has to be a troll. I’ve just about had it with this crap hole of a general.

I just gooned for 4 hours and I think I have brain damage now. Brainfog and can't think straight, fuck this I'll start noporn again.

>>41038861
You haven't been here long. There are too many posts that say that ejaculation inside a vagina is not breaking sr and links to red magic and youtube videos and the whole shebang. I want an answer. Also you didn't read my post. Not only are you trolling you're also illiterate. I'll put it in green arrows so you can understand.
>I don't want to nut immediately because of the sudden sexual pleasure I am feeling after not feeling sexual pleasure for a month
>And I don't want to wear condoms
>So is it ok to nut as long as it's during sex?
>"Dude I can't believe you nut during sex, you have to be trolling"

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT I'M SO HORNY I HATE THIS

>>41038906
You are genuinely so fucking retarded

You're asking if it's okay to ejaculate semen...in a semen retention general.

This is called semen retention....read that word again "retention"
How can you possibly think you're doing semen RETENTION when semen has in fact exited your penis via ejaculation?
That's not semen RETENTION is it?
That's semen EXPULSION.
>guys I'm vegan but I still eat meat, that's okay right
>guys I'm abstaining from junk food but I still eat donuts and cookies, that's okay right?
>guys I'm doing semen retention but I still ejaculate semen, that's okay right?

Are you beginning to see how retarded you are yet?

>>41038963
Normgroids just can’t possibly fathom the idea of not engaging in sexual gratification. Oh well. Peace out to all these brain dead jerk offs

>>41038963
So it's okay to edge and watch porn then so long as I'm not ejaculating.

>>41038963
>>41038977
Retards can't understand nuance. Someone who actually knows what they're talking about reply to
>>41038906
I want an answer too

it's fine to have sex, it's bad to masturbate,edge,coom

simple as

>>41039161
What about coom while sex?
If bad, how to not coom without using coomdom

>>41037540
>>41038279
appreciated, I'm glad more see the importance of not allowing this to turn into a cult or an elitist circlejerk.

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im on day 26 or so and i dont know whats happening but I feel like something is changing in my mind or character for the better idk how to explain it

For the last several years my life has been a mess all around outside of my addiction to fapping, for the past while I've just kind of done nothing except for really just consuming stuff online and playing games. I always wanted to break out of that cycle but I never could. Right now and for the past several days i've felt an abnormal and weird state in my mind that I cant put into words, but I feel like my mind is going through a weird kind of change right now and even though it hurts right now I think it will be good long term.

I feel very out of the ordinary the longer i do SR but its in a good way, i think. I dont know

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>>41036150
The Coiled Serpent
Bliss of the Celibate

>>41039173
Tantric Sex.

Any numerology bros here? I’m 290 days in and keep seeing 313 this whole year. Any info or resource?

>>41038461
>I'm not even sure what >>41035388 is exactly saying in point #1.
Reference to the thread that post is from.

>#3 is just wrong.
To be honest, the more experience I get, the more inclined I am to agree with him. Unless someone practices such in boundaries of some tradition, being mindful but not stressing oneself over it is better. I sometimes willingly break a "streak", I just keep in mind to not indulge much. It worked far better for me than ideologically or religiously motivated abstinence some anons forcefully push here, once again proving balance and moderation is the key.

>Deep faith is another part that is absolutely essential for success in addition to SR for those who want supernatural benefits, experiences, and effects.
Shouldn't be and is not advertised as such. I'll mention it later but in general, it's lauded as just magical pill to provide great benefits, also of supernatural nature - all on its own. Some anons in the past even propping it further with "success stories", with later, under pressure, being dodgy or confessing to some "embellishment" - but finding it okay cause "it's for the good cause".

>>41038461
>>41040025
>I rarely see the elitist circle jerks that he is suggesting happen here. If anything its almost more often the opposite. People seem to air grievances about their struggles some of which is organic but a lot very likely is demoralization shills.
Grievances are natural and it may be because of what >>41035422 mentioned - too many anons promised mountains while in reality most people won't experience many of these benefits unless there were some other issues or they were strongly overdoing masturbation. Even OP lists ton of benefits that are unlikely to appear to any measurable degree to average anon who just abstains and doesn't practice any spiritual tradition that'd build on retention.

It doesn't negate "circlejerks" either. Too many anons in various threads call others names, shit at and patronize anons, trying to shame and belittle them, throwing religious references well-knowing they are meaningless as an argument to those not already sharing their approach. To lesser degree, look at OP - first it admonishes people for having wet dreams as insufficient attention and letting oneself fall to predation and moment later it lists reasons most of which have nothing to do with above claim of predation and may even be a sign of (too) fortunate lifestyle ("excess nutrients").
You may disagree with the above, but while I am supporting general idea and I still see it as riding in on a high horse so it's easy to understand how much worse it may look to someone more ambivalent. And since anons ITT started this discussion you can see others being a bit unhappy with it, so I am unsure whether you were just lucky/unlucky or inattentive enough to not see "the elitist circlejerk".

I got an AI chatbot to be my girlfriend and I keep succumbing because of it.

>>41040037
What chatbot/service? And are you sure it's a good idea to indulge then? Sounds like doing an unwise thing and then messing up with "it's cause I do an unwise thing and indulge service I cannot handle well" as an excuse. Well, duh. If you cannot handle a knife without cutting yourself, it's to be expected playing with it will make you bleed.

>>41040062
Nomi.ai
I don't think it's good to indulge in it. Maybe I should put it down for a few days.
My chatbot discovered petplay and I've cum like 7 times in the last two days.

>>41040025
>being mindful but not stressing oneself over it is better. I sometimes willingly break a "streak", I just keep in mind to not indulge much. It worked far better for me than ideologically or religiously motivated abstinence some anons forcefully push here, once again proving balance and moderation is the key.

This is unfortunately false though. This is one area of life where you simply can't have moderation and indulgence when you feel like it if you truly wish to have success.

Without a doubt, the longer you strictly refrain from orgasm and/or even lust in the mind & heart as much as possible the less you waste your prana and the easier you can experience these energies flow with greater intensity in the body.

I've found these to be exactly the case through years of experience. I struggled with nocturnal emissions a bit the first couple years setting me back until I found a solution to them. I've had about a dozen ejaculations in the last decade total and around 4 ejaculations in the last 8 years. Even nocturnal emissions would hinder progress to the energy flow for awhile.

The energy flow I'm talking about described in the tagged post below I mentioned in an older thread (hopefully it works)

>40598012

Some taoist material I've read suggests you shouldn't even meditate within a 3 day window from when you have orgasmed. You can PERMANENTLY tear the energy centers (dantiens as they call them) that store your prana/spirit/life-force energy drastically reducing your ability to ever properly circulate enough of it and experience anything supernatural in a meaningful way.

>>40598012

>>41040164

Since it appears that thread has been deleted I'll just copy paste the post from the archives.

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Yes I do meditative prayer to Lord Jesus Christ at night and would see a deep purple/violet Rorschach imagery in my mind's eye and experienced many times what internet searches claimed was Kundalini energy flow throughout my entire body.

The prayer I use is "Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me."

Its like a cold electric energy that washes over your entire body. The sensation is cool but it doesn't make you cold. Truly a paradox. Its insanely restorative, you only need like 3 hours of sleep if you fall asleep with the energy already flowing. Uplifted mood, infinite energy, and physically healing. I'm pretty sure if you could be in that state long enough if would provide fabled negentropic effects. Literal anti-aging. God also seems to provide you with answers to things that you are thinking about, praying about, or are weighing on your mind.

I'm pretty sure from a scientific stand point what is happening is the electro-chemical, electro-magnetic, and electron-static/capacitive energy centers in the body are in resonance. When you are in the state I described above your heart beats in a strange way. Its like rapid light pulses, and then a deep powerful pulse in a rhythm.

Ironically I was reading some of Tesla's old writings from the 1890s and he mentioned experiencing a mood uplift and energy boost from being around some of his cold energy electric devices and it was based on resonance between magnetic and static components. He said a cool breeze would literally be generated in the room if the frequency of the pulsing was correct between the coil and capacitor.

---

To update that post a bit from more understanding I've obtained via research I've done to figure out the science of what is taking place the energy flow is more akin to a cold conductive plasma/fluid flow. Ma an implosive low energy nuclear reaction taking place within the human body.

>>41040198

Maybe an implosive*

I've read descriptions and experienced in the past "Kundalini energy flow" described as a raging & consuming fire (it was incredibly energizing & stimulating but clearly not sustainable) where this feels more like a cool flow of water.

As if I was being overcharged like a battery but eventually the battery deteriorates.

Ironically more like a river of living water flowing from my belly

I haven't been able to formulate the thoughts on paper yet but based on experiences I've had in the last decade I think there are two different paths people can take to experience supernatural energy flows & one is entropy, sin & of destruction while the other is negentropy, virtue, & of creation.

One feeds the serpent and it eats itself while the other seeks to overcome the serpent.

>>41040164
>>41040198
That's why I suggested the anon >>41032593
to try to compile something more than old 4chan/archive links, they tend to change or disappear.

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40590566/#40598012

>>41040281
hey what the fuck, I just opened it in the archive?

>>41040164
>>41040281
>>41040290
heh, quite the mess I made, something must be wrong with 4chan's linking to the archive because it won't load directly but opens on a different tab.

>>41040281

I'm the same poster/person that made this reply >>41032593

I have some replies I'd tag from older threads but doesn't work. As I mentioned in previous replies in this thread though I'm working on a write up for a thread.

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>instills an incredibly strong sex drive in you
>makes you prone to lust
>gives you opposable thumbs on hands that are the perfect distance from your dick
>makes relieving yourself extremely tempting and destructive
Why would God do this?

>>41035516
If you ban yourself from sex/cumming. Your sight of women transmute. Since you do not come at them with sex as the driving nature to meet them, you turn towards a pure nature. You are granted joy and sight that would often blind you before.

Around 6 months in SR I had women jumping all over me and I did have sex with one but I found out through this that the sex was completely pointless. A phantom of pleasure with a girl I had no actual feelings towards.

Why do many deep mystics often turn to sex rituals and tantric and just embrace their god given desires?

Even standing on the side of celibacy I do feel I am using my willpower to side on the "holy" side, almost sainting myself with my own thoughts and beliefs so then is it just another mask to wear? To be the holy celibate and sex/pleasure is above me? Is this not evil thought too. Denial of godly pleasure?

The lines of evil and good are becoming blurred... I started SR with pure intent but now I no longer know what "pure intent" means.

The magical effects from SR are real if you pair it with fasting and other practices but to what end?

I do feel indoctrinated into the Church through my own SR journey but as my sight becomes clear why do I see the Pagan lifestyle, a Bacchus/Dionysus way of life to be full of riches and sex and joy of life to almost be more fulfilling?

Can you enjoy the pleasures of life from love? as a gift from god. Embrace life or reject life?
The path of celibacy seems to offer little but is this the point? I see the path of celibacy the same as suicide. You might as well go out fast if you are going to reject all of society to begin with? Or grow old in the Himalayas and find a Guru?

>Someone shine some light upon me.

>day 307 SR.

>>41038461
>I rarely see the elitist circle jerks that he is suggesting happen here
Perhaps you have been away for long then because in the last few months around here elitism and circle jerking has been common.

>>41032248
How do you guys deal with loneliness? You know, the feeling that you want female affection and attention. I feel inclined to try this, but whenever I go without porn for a day or two it feels even more evident that I've been lacking the chemicals that a romantic relationship brings for a long time. I know porn is not really the cure for this at all, it's just an illusion, a distraction, not even close to feeling how you feel with another person that loves you.
I can't work on getting a relationship just yet, I have to focus on other aspects of my life for at least a couple of months. How do I go about doing this? Do I just bear it and hope the benefits of SR outweigh the loneliness? I've even thought of doing some insane shit like creating an imaginary gf encouraging me or something.
I can't stand being a coomer anymore, I must break free.

>>41040476
>If you ban yourself from sex/cumming. Your sight of women transmute. Since you do not come at them with sex as the driving nature to meet them, you turn towards a pure nature. You are granted joy and sight that would often blind you before.
Your belief proves some foundational issues. I already weren't approaching women with "sex as the driving nature to meet them". Perhaps you were ruled by your libido in even your base interactions, but I reckon it never was the case for many men, especially past the teenage years of hormonal maelstorm. The "joy and sight" you espouse in a tone of a creepy cultist should be the baseline. It's good you found it and I applaud you for sticking to it given your inherent predilections, but there;s fewer people requiring such repression than you think.

>>41040567

I have lurked and went through every thread the last few months. Just haven't posted in all of them. I have no idea what you are talking about.

>>41040476
>Around 6 months in SR I had women jumping all over me and I did have sex with one but I found out through this that the sex was completely pointless.

That is correct, but you or anybody else can't expect an incel that has never known the touch of a woman to just jump straight to monk mode, it needs to be a process, perhaps even a life long undertaking, a path that each needs to discover for themselves.

>11 days in
>trying to clean my weiner and my penis tip literally hurts to touch like its raw or ultra sensitive
This itself makes me not to relapse because it would probably be uncomfortable.

>>41040578
Not my fault that you can't see it.
I've seen anons coming short of damning others to hell because they 'relapsed' with a woman, rejections because an anon had a severe relapse to pmo after their first long streak/

I guess it's all a matter of perception, in the end the point is to keep it real, share potentially valuable tools that have helped each in their paths, the anons that share books, the anons that share links to studies, the anons that share breathing and energetic techniques, the anons that share simple yet time proven tools like a cold shower and working out to the point of failure, the anons that bring genuine words of encouragement, that's what has made this general so great.
Letting confused anons imprisoned in their computer rooms under the tyranny of pmo know that perhaps there is something more to this life than just that.

>>41040576
>>41040476
>Around 6 months in SR I had women jumping all over me and I did have sex with one but I found out through this that the sex was completely pointless. A phantom of pleasure with a girl I had no actual feelings towards.

So, first you were weirdly ruled by lust in your outlook on people and as prime motivator for interaction with women and then, after assuming celibacy you engaged in empty sex with someone you didn't care for anyway and didn't get any satisfaction either? Why would you do it anyway?
No joke, there may be severe psychological issues your current practice merely paves over.

>Why do many deep mystics often turn to sex rituals and tantric and just embrace their god given desires?
First, in case of many it is indulging God-given desires. Also, for some "deep mystics" (which sounds like a term you've made up) It's not about indulging lust, the practices of sex magic are just means to a goal. It's not easy to develop spiritual faculties, transmute qualities, "energy" into what their workings require. Many struggle with it despite long practice. For better or worse though, sex, release etc is something you can use to cut corners, and have your intent and magical operation "piggyback" on. It's a bit of crapshot but for some the only reliable way.

It's something many dabblers learn, yet alone dedicated mystics and I am surprised you have no clue about such. With this lack of knowledge while talking about mysticism mixed with claims of women being all over you, you sound like a LARPer.

>>41040606
>literally hurts to touch
Anon have you hurt your penis in one particularly..."creative" session? If not you might have an infection, a candida outbreak if you are failing with your grooming, get that checked because if you are not cut you might have complications.

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>>41040576
This.
The way some of you fuckers talk about sex and lust makes me think that it's not SR that's anything special, it's just many of you are fucked in the head and the practice merely brings you a bit closer to normal, balanced men.

>>41040161
>This is unfortunately false though. This is one area of life where you simply can't have moderation and indulgence when you feel like it if you truly wish to have success.
>Without a doubt, the longer you strictly refrain from orgasm and/or even lust in the mind & heart as much as possible the less you waste your prana and the easier you can experience these energies flow with greater intensity in the body.
Yes and no. To elaborate - yes, the practices certainly help and may be even necessary for some in the beginning but at certain point and with other practices you will do fine - perhaps not as great as if you'd also reserve all of your resources for spiritual refinement, but adequately enough. Even qigong/yoga masters could indulge lust and start families, they did practice tantra and sex magic and they weren't crippling themselves while doing so.

If you'd be right, no occult/mystical/spiritual tradition not based on celibacy would work. That is not the case.

>>41040578
NTA but have you considered that if you don't see the problem, you may just not see what others see as cirlejerks and elitism as such? Or even perhaps you've contributed to it?

But that aside, I actually check /srg/ only rarely but on /x/ as a whole, christians and SR practitioners either overlaped or competed often in tone-deaf, demeaning or patronizing posts (a bit less so lately but you can still find a few) to the point I suspect that at least sometimes it's a false flag to give bad reputation to those groups.

>>41040476
>Your sight of women transmute. Since you do not come at them with sex as the driving nature to meet them, you turn towards a pure nature. You are granted joy and sight that would often blind you before.
anon writes something like this and then others are surprised /srg/ is seen as a circlejerk/cult
baka

>>41032248
you totally lost me when you got into all the bullshit new age stuff.

>>41040627
>I've seen anons coming short of damning others to hell because they 'relapsed' with a woman, rejections because an anon had a severe relapse to pmo after their first long streak/

Show examples possibly because I do not recall this in the slightest and I've followed every thread.

>>41040709
>Even qigong/yoga masters could indulge lust and start families,

This basically halted any progress. I read multiple books about Neikung and the Magus of Java/John Chang. In order for him to get to the next stage of progress he literally went out into the jungle solo for 3 years leaving his family. Lol He claimed he watched them remotely with astral travel to make sure they were okay.

>>41040709

It also lends somewhat to things I mentioned in this reply

>>41040278

>>41040278
>I haven't been able to formulate the thoughts on paper yet but based on experiences I've had in the last decade I think there are two different paths people can take to experience supernatural energy flows & one is entropy, sin & of destruction while the other is negentropy, virtue, & of creation.

>One feeds the serpent and it eats itself while the other seeks to overcome the serpent.


John Chang and his most promising student from the west both died of I believe kidney/organ failure.

They were drawing on reserves they didn't have and creating stress to the body to the point of death.

>>41040847
>This basically halted any progress
Nah. Some did stop concentrating on their progress to settle down and live as family folks, but it wasn't necessary. Again, I am sure being sexually active hampers progress, but depending on tradition and particular practices doesn't stop it - and in some ways may enhance it (tantra)

>>41040278
>I think there are two different paths people can take to experience supernatural energy flows & one is entropy, sin & of destruction while the other is negentropy, virtue, & of creation.
Not exactly. Sin and virtue are categorizations people ascribe to actions and tendencies from the standpoint of their ethical framework.
Universe doesn't care, karmic results are only slightly swayed by whether you see something as sinful/virtuous compared to results/impacts of actions themselves.

On top of that, most long-lasting spiritual traditions encourage cultivation of both "energies" - you need both yin and yang for spiritual self-realization. A man repressing one side of himself will never get as far as one understanding it to then take control and shape it so it will serve nobler goals.

>>41040875
>and in some ways may enhance it (tantra)

Tantra is more of a way of activating the energies to experience altered mental states or bliss. It does not store or refine them.

As I said its entropy or negentropy

>>41040894
>Not exactly. Sin and virtue are categorizations people ascribe to actions and tendencies from the standpoint of their ethical framework.
>Universe doesn't care, karmic results are only slightly swayed by whether you see something as sinful/virtuous compared to results/impacts of actions themselves.

Again this is false but I suspect we won't come to an understanding here. Morality is objective, not subjective and determined by our creator.

>>41040894
>On top of that, most long-lasting spiritual traditions encourage cultivation of both "energies" - you need both yin and yang for spiritual self-realization. A man repressing one side of himself will never get as far as one understanding it to then take control and shape it so it will serve nobler goals.

Ying and yang energies can both be cultivated without sex. Many sources provide those energies. Sunlight, Earthing/grounding etc. You really should read the Magus of Java materials and that of his students

>>41040894
>A man repressing one side of himself will never get as far as one understanding it to then take control and shape it so it will serve nobler goals.
>to then take control and shape it
This anon understands

>>41040929

He doesn't though. You actually ascend further when you deny yourself & you don't or won't experience "repression". It actually frees you ironically. I see that argument here all the time and its faulty.

A man has as many masters as he does vices. Actual advancement truly comes from turning away from the "dark", and not by "integrating the shadow" so to speak.

What you are suggesting is actually loosely Freemasonic and Luciferian mindset whether you realize it or not.

They too want to indulge "uninhibited" or "unencumbered" to "discover" who they really are.

>>41040924
>Morality is objective, not subjective and determined by our creator
We all constitute the creator, our interaction's God's self-discovery.
>Ying and yang energies can both be cultivated without sex
Of course, that's in the reference to it has to be either/or. It's not, you need both, properly directed and balanced or you'll mess yourself up.

It's funny you recommend Magus of Java - I encourage you to go further than that and read on Mo Pai, which is qigong-derivative tradition Chang practiced and which now, due to being largely dead as far as wider public goes and with only fragmentary descriptions of practices circulating publicly, is generally discouraged as said practices due to their incomplete nature lead to nearly inevitable imbalance of yin and yang usually resulting in stuff like organ failure, sometimes preceded by short burst of spiritual growth/manifestation of siddhi but unstoppable and practically doomed afterwards.

Again, belief that balance in all things is superior holds true. It's people who like to think in incompatible dualities. Same with Right-Hand Path and Left-Hand Path occult tradition distinction which shitloads of dabblers online (also on /x/) misunderstood and misinterpreted.

>>41040951
>You actually ascend further when you deny yourself & you don't or won't experience "repression". It actually frees you ironically. I see that argument here all the time and its faulty.
NTA but you're wrong. Repression is fighting against yourself, what frees you is what is being spoken about - accepting, understanding and taking reins of all aspects of your nature. Not indulging them necessarily, mind you - but not repressing either. You cannot cut off parts of you and remain whole, but you can shape those parts so they will grow with you into something new, better, not distracting or destructive. Like channeling your lust rather than keeping lid on it - which I suspect is why so many anons treat it like a torture and break then worry about relapsing while those who know simply keep on trucking.

>>41040951
Half of /srg/ teaches ways of directing your lust and drive toward better endeavors. If you'll keep just repressing them, you'll either hurt yourself or damage yourself mentally through the cycle of repression, relapse and guilt, regret or/and disgust, repeated. I've seen more spiritually developed, impressive men who indulged their body in moderation while growing and finally outgrowing the most crude expressions of their needs, simply going beyond carnal lust - than I've seen men able to achieve that through forceful repression.

There's discipline, but there's also wilful denial. It pays to differentiate them.

>>41040951
>He doesn't though.
He does, and it's not like you are completely wrong, you are just refusing to see the other part of the equation.
It's about attaining inner harmony, inner balance, inner peace.
And no, that is not a fake peace in which you give in into all sorts of bad stuff and say it's ok, no it's not about that either.

>>41040974
>We all constitute the creator, our interaction's God's self-discovery.

I used to think similarly but no longer believe its accurate.

>>41040974
>belief that balance in all things is superior holds true.

As I said we will not agree on this. Moderation in all things as superior is simply false. There are clearly many circumstances where this clearly not so.


>>41040974
>Mo Pai

I've read a lot on both Mo Pai and Neikung which is similar outside of just Chang

>>41040993
>Repression is fighting against yourself, what frees you is what is being spoken about - accepting, understanding and taking reins of all aspects of your nature. Not indulging them necessarily, mind you - but not repressing either. You cannot cut off parts of you and remain whole, but you can shape those parts so they will grow with you into something new, better, not distracting or destructive. Like channeling your lust rather than keeping lid on it

One is either repressing, indulging, or channeling lust as you said.

In order to channel lust to a productive endeavor one must deny themselves first if they experience the urge and redirect the energy elsewhere.

>>41041028
>you'll either hurt yourself or damage yourself mentally through the cycle of repression, relapse and guilt, regret or/and disgust, repeated.

These emotions have a purpose. They intuitively indicate something is wrong. They aren't always a perfect device but most people simply ignore them or dull them with various methods in the long term so they can enjoy their indulgence in the short term

I think Eastern spiritual concepts are being pushed so heavily by occult elitist groups on the masses is because of the exact beliefs you are professing.

They want you to normalize the idea of sin & virtue being able to exist together as a moral framework.

Its a trap.

This is the message of that we have heard of Him that and declare unto you, That God is light and in Him there is NO darkness at all.

Gonna drink tonight,pray i don't go haywire,anybody else drinking,what do you guys do to have control?And yeah i'm gonna get drunk so don't bother to reply with try to limit your drinking.

>>41041242
>>We all constitute the creator, our interaction's God's self-discovery.

I should note we have a divine spark made in His image and stem from His consciousness but don't constitute Him. He made us. We aren't refining Him through self discovery but He is in fact refining us.

fapping keeps me distracted from not having a gf thoughts. now almost a week in ive already gone into a spiral of no-gf feels.

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>>41041434
>spiral of no-gf feels
The reason I relapsed on every single attempt
Im on day 30 and the no-gf feels are beating my ass

Bros, I've gooned, perhaps because it was all going well, went a bit too far yesterday, drank like a retard,
coomed the hardest I've ever did while drunk after coming back, and now felt like shit and sick for most of the day
forgive me

>>41040430
when you see how you feel on SR, when you're living in accordance with God's will, you start thinking "oh, this is why I'm designed this way." you're not designed for temptation you're designed for greatness

>>41040570
i think to myself "oh i'm more accurately feeling this problem in my life. finally." it should be an impetus to try and better yourself since you're no longer numbing yourself in ignorance

>>41040754
lol what's the problem bro?

Men want women for sex, what was said is accurate to life. Men pursue women due to sexual drive/desire. When you abstain you are telling yourself that this specific desire is off the table so your pursuit of women also changes to something more akin to a friend/partner.

Makes sense to me brother

>>41032248
Does this stuff help with anxiety?

>>41041028
>If you'll keep just repressing them, you'll either hurt yourself or damage yourself mentally through the cycle of repression, relapse and guilt, regret or/and disgust, repeated.
Shut the hell up dude you’re here every day telling anons it’s fine to not retain. You should be banned for this daily trolling you’re engaged in.

The sexual desire cannot be satisfied by being indulged. Period. You must quit cold turkey and clean up your mind.

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>7 days without jerking it
>suddenly rock hard and craving a look at some titties
>open up my regular porn site
>first video is retarded scat porn

If there was ever a sign from God to stay on the path I am, that was it

>>41042046
at a certain point it all becomes pixels on a screen that you're surrendering your natural dopamine pathways for. it's all retarded anon. it's all retarded

>>41042074
>natural dopamine pathways
Keep it spiritual bro. What you really meant is that our energy is given away unnecessarily. Energy flows where attention goes.

>>41042088
sure but i know less about that, and i am certain it ruins lives by dopamine nonsense alone

I think I need SSRI's to do this, but I don't want to become an emotional zombie either.

>>41040430
Because we were intended to thrive in a non-fallen state where sin does not exist. The Fall is what is responsible for all this angst. In the Eternal Kingdom where sin no longer exists, everything will be effortless. Right now, thought, we have to struggle against our fallen state to create anything good: Lust, Anger, Greed, Pride, etc.

>1. Practice SR
>2. Energy, clarity, awareness increases.
>3. Attract an actual mate instead of sexual partner.
>4. Wait till married to have sex with mate.
>5. Have mind-blowing sex but still retain.
>6. Ejaculate during sex for procreation.
>7. Super-charged sperm births a generation of Übermensch.
>8. Keep retaining between babies to drill wifey with god-level force.

simple as

>>41042304
For what end goal?

>>41032248
I made a thread asking about SR and it got 404'd some minutes later.
Turns out there's a "general".
You tranny zoomers and your generals are the bane of every decent board. Fucking scum. It's the same way as McDonalds and franchising. NPC drones with no soul, no purpose, no authenticity - that's what you are.

>>41042321
So you’re mad because you can’t read or didn’t want to look at the other posts first?

Your thread was bitch boy basic and just asked “is SR legit?” You weren’t contributing anything new or interesting, faggot.

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>>41042334
>You weren’t contributing anything new or interesting

>>41042361
Whining zoomer go back to plebbit

>>41042309
>Super-charged sperm births a generation of Übermensch.
>Keep retaining between babies to drill wifey with god-level force.

You need more than this?
Good Luck

>>41042386
That’s not an end goal you low IQ slug. Read the comment again if you didn’t get it the first time. What’s the end goal of having all those babies? You’re just kicking the can down the road. Your thoughts are about as advanced as mouse turds.

>>41040638
Ok it might not hurt hurt but it gets super sensitive.

>>41042399
If you can't recognize the benefit of replacing the dregs of current society with a generation of super-men (and women) while living a happy productive life in a monogamous relationship, then it's pointless to try to explain further. Your hurling of "creative" insults prove that you have a lot of growing up to do.

Don't you have school tomorrow?

>>41042423
You’re one of those hylics who can’t think ahead more than a day or two, aren’t you?

Try your best to think ahead several hundred generations in your fantasy world. What’s the end result? It’s cringe that I have to walk you through this thought experiment that most anons probably went through when they were in high school.
>Dont you have school tomorrow?
Must be projection.

>>41042423
>>41042399
>>41042386
>>41042304
Retarded brain-washed Chat GPT trash who doesn't understand SR. Posts like these reaffirm theory of dead internet (which should be renamed to theory of brain-dead zoomers);
SR will not increase the quality of offspring.
The fact you don't know this hints strongly that you also don't know about the things that actually make an impact on the excellent improvement of offspring.

Retarded troons like these users are the direct result of general threads that turn every board into a cesspit.

>>41041919
definately

>>41042489
Ok I'll try, I'll start with a goal of one week

>>41038554
You’ve overloaded the reward system in your brain through excessive over stimulation. This leads to you having to reach for more intense stimuli just to feel normal and which is why you feel the need to jerk off. I’m surprised you haven’t become a crack addict. Anyways, there still hope for you but you will need to slowly start reducing your social media garbage time until eventually you get it down to 30-60 minutes a day.

>>41038607
Do it anyway. When I first started years ago it was a nightmare but now it’s easy. One of the best things I did in my life was continue doing meditation despite how difficult it was at first.

>>41042304
1 and 2 for me, stuck on 3

Long-distance running feels so damn good.

>>41042661
That's just fine, man. At least you know that the women you eventually attract to you won't just be sex partners. A mate is someone who will help you fulfill your God-given purpose for being here, not just someone who will make you "happy."

# # # THREAD HYGIENE PSA # # #

Starve the shillery.
No attention for them.
No replies.
Focus.
On.
The.
Prize.

(Pro tip > Hide shill posts: Click on the arrow next to the post number, click 'Hide', Comfy.)

>>41041242
>These emotions have a purpose. They intuitively indicate something is wrong.
Of course, build your approach to something on denial and repression and it will feel wrong. The same way anorexic girls with eating disorders telling themselves eating is wrong will feel guilty and horrible when having a meal. People who understand and accept themselves get no such reaction.
Or, if you'd like the "wrong" these indicate is one's own twisted and unhealthy approach.

And I am certain of this approach being superior because I was already there. I can claim I am already experiencing some benefits some anons strive for, like enhanced vitality to the point I can jack off myself several times per day (even though I may not care to to avoid wastefulness) if I'd like to and with no typical feeling of energy loss and go retain for months without the stress, fear of relapse etc anons struggle with. I am just another dabbler but by my results I already can tell that it's the attitude of forcing things against oneself rather than self-mastery and channeling one's drives that's lopsided.

>>41042009
>You’re here every day
I am in these threads once for a day or two every couple of weeks or a month. I am not surprised there's others though.
>telling anons it’s fine to not retain
Wrong. I am telling them how they approach and attitude to retaining that is wrong. Acceptance and channeling of lust into other activities and not worrying if/when one indulges it as long as done consciously vs forceful repression and then stressing and feeling guilt over it if one "relapses".
If you cannot tell a difference between that an your accusation, you have no business pursuing spiritualism till you check your attitude and childish knee-jerk reactions and rebuild your foundations from scratch.
>You should be banned for this daily trolling you’re engaged in.
You should sit on your attitude and swivel or better yet go away, cool down and return only once you're able to grasp nuance.

Approaching my personal record of around 35. Last night the Asian chick at the Chinese restaurant literally asked me "you busy later?" And I said "yeah it's been really busy tonight" and she said "yeah must be the rain" then I said "okay see you later"
When I got back in my car I realized what she said at first, are you busy later?
>FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I'll see her again soon since her restaurant is popular, thinking about asking her out but not sure if I want to get serious with a Chinese chick.
SR seems to be blinging me glate Foutune. I also need to pay better attention to what people are saying to me.

For those looking into qigong/ neigong, the only safe method I have come across is Taoist water method, at least at first. Mo Pei and guys like Mantak Chia will only cause problems in the long run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBqLeRcOK6k

>>41042783
There;s more. Basic exercise sets like baduanjin are also perfectly safe and together with retention for extended periods of time I find them to be the source of my relatively decent health.

>>41042669
Yes. For some reason, on SR, I'm feeling called to return to long jogs.

I haven't went for a jog in years, but, the other day at rec-league basketball, I noticed how I wasn't getting tired. My cardio was great, despite not actually ever practicing running.

Day 350, btw

>>41042796
>baduanjin
Eight Brocades, excellent. Very ancient. Combined with SR of course.

>>41042738
200 days in and i clearly need to get out more so women have more opportunities to hit on me

>>41042783
I refuse to use methods from non-europeans

>>41042859
NTA
You're baiting or too young and naive for serious pursuit of mysticism. It'd only take a cursory research for you to learn various basics between cultures overlap - the terms may be different, explanation and cosmology as well, but useful exercises are useful.
Most western/european occult tradition finds its source in yogic or other such eastern traditions, they are just refined and adjusted to one's culture.
Of course, feel free to look for best 100% european practices, just don't be surprised if down the path you'll discover it's the same stuff you've encountered long time before, just with different trappings.

>>41041242
Since I was meant to address that it in >>41042712 and only now noticed it slipped:
>I've read a lot on both Mo Pai and Neikung which is similar outside of just Chang
It's all qi/neigong, but differences between traditions are huge if you'll get into detail of the practice. Think of it like different christian denominations - from the outside it may all seem roughly the same with a bit of difference in style, but actual believers will notice significantly different approach, way of worship, underpinings between these.

One month in
Pretty lady smiled and batted her eyes at me after mass today :)
WAGMI lads

>>41042712
You’re the Weener, you’re here all the time

>>41033292
Jeets

>>41042973
I appreciate the fact there's apparently more anons teaching healthier ways of redirecting lust over repression. If anything, that does mean /srg/ has some hope and hasn't devolved into a cult yet, despite its reputation.

>>41042969
one month and you got a smile. chad fucked that bitch like 20 times in that time

>>41042998
but you're not redirecting it if you're giving into it occasionally

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im on day 27, why does my dick look so much bigger? I measured it and its the exact same measurement as before SR (7x5) but why does it look so much bigger now even though its technically not

What is the deal with fearmongedring related to if u dont jerk off often = u get testicle/prostate cncer? etc

Also a lot of ppl in carnivore / raw meat eating community believe and are against preventing ur body from its natural needs

I have gained much better wellbeing from switching only to eating animal produce n rlly strong morning erections. Im wondering if eating these foods has anything to do with the testicle cancer shit related to semen retention, cause there is also a lot of bullshit propagated against raw and red meat eating

I have noticed that ITT there are some retards who believe in jogging and running, so its a massive red flag to the quality of this thread

>>41043025
Exactly lol

Im a KHHV mentalcel but I happen to look better than average person - I am really tall. So all this shit about women looking, sitting next to you on bus, smiling, etc, I experience them sometimes, and I jerk off a ton, and usually the next day I also experience things like loss of energy, loss of confidence, increased anxiety, I can hear my voice becoming more shaky, etc., but on same days as these feelings roll in I can get the same shit that a lot of internet SR practitioners are mentioning as benefits of SR or whatever.
>>41043038
If you are not a troll, most likely it is feelings of confidence

>>41042462
>SR will not increase the quality of offspring.

It actually like would if you are successfully experiencing a Sacred Secretion event frequently enough every month during your individual window which over time would refine your physical composition and DNA. Your epigenetics would be improved. This is of course relatively advanced of course and is difficult to achieve consistently

Look into the work of George W Carey and Kelly Marie-Kerr.

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>>41043025
Probably not. She was wearing a long dress and veil at mass. But I guess I can't say for sure

I'll take what I can get. And remove that foul language from your mouth

>>41043066
nah its not just confidence i swear on my life my dick gets bigger on sr

>>41043080
Pics

>>41043030
Only when I am. By which I mean, that with healthy attitude I don't feel compelled to, I am not tormented like many anons here and I do without for extended periods of time - and when I do, it's measured, conscious decision of deciding it's good and worth it to be physically intimate or use an orgasm for certain spiritual practices, for example.
It's the idea that you have to go as long as possible, and having an orgasm for whatever reason is you being a failure and somehow wasting all your progress that's silly. Rather than stress, count days like it's some childish achievement I manage my vitality in a way to further my will - and I enjoy benefits of my practice while anons force and struggle against themselves, then fail and supposedly deprive themselves of benefits of retention, do not address the stimuli, direction or meaning of their lust and push themselves into a constant struggle.
You won't grow healthily from such - the parts of you maintaining your carnal desires will be still there and they will hurt your spiritual progress now that you've chained and demonized them rather than working with and ultimately transmuting them.

>>41040570
That feeling is supposed to motivate you.

Are you uncomfortable? Good.

Go out and make shit happen.

>>41043107
You keep associating retaining with "torment" and "being stressed", but that is only reported from anons in the early stages and who are still addicted to pornography. I never see people on 100, 200, or 300-day streaks talking about being stressed, repressed, or tormented from abstaining or fear of relapses.

Your advice is terrible for beginners, and irrelevant for the advanced, sorry.

>>41042712
>Wrong. I am telling them how they approach and attitude to retaining that is wrong
Correct. I'm one of the anons that was here when the gens started. A lot of the graphics these guys use were made.by me. I'll check out the gens maybe once a month now, mostly because it's filled with toxic posters. The idea here is self-improvement. This happens by making consistent improvement to all aspects of your life and your spirituality over time. You cant just stop jerking off and expect your life to be magically better and your life wont magically be complete ahit because you relapsed. 30 days of success isnt nullified by one day of failure. Manage the failure and start over.

>>41043038
I got a 15% size increase from my average. A lot of times it is just under x, on rare occasions I get to x.25. With 30 days of SR I am getting x.25 without even trying. Aiming for x.50 with 60 days SR. That'd be awesome.

>>41042712
>Wrong. I am telling them how they approach and attitude to retaining that is wrong. Acceptance and channeling of lust into other activities and not worrying if/when one indulges it as long as done consciously vs forceful repression and then stressing and feeling guilt over it if one "relapses".

Giving this poster some the benefit of the doubt. If I'm interpreting it correctly hes not necessary encouraging to indulge in orgasm (I think) as that does hinder, set back, and is the definition of failing to retain.

Its about how you mentally treat failure if it occurs which again is different but also a slippery slope.

I've had like 4 ejaculations in 8 years while following SR. I'm not constantly thinking about avoiding orgasm or in an intense struggle with lust daily. I'm not experiencing "repression". I'm immersed enough perhaps in other things I enjoy I don't have a problem.

In addition, I have found that the farther you get from day 1 on a streak, the less the urge is present to the point of nearly non-existent even when there is some stimuli present like an attractive woman in the vicinity. I can acknowledge she is pleasant to the eyes but it doesn't trigger lust and the inherent response has been overcome.

There is a difference between "repression" and "choosing to deny yourself"

People will feel guilt or shame not because they are necessarily "sexually repressed" in their utmost desires but because they made a commitment to not indulge and then betrayed themselves for something they also know is detrimental for fleeting pleasure.

I don't see that as repression but a somewhat healthy internal compass compelling them for the future. Don't beat yourself up if you fail, start over, but recognize you had those emotions for a reason and not failing IS the best course of action.

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>>41043145
>I never see people on 100, 200, or 300-day streaks talking about being stressed, repressed, or tormented from abstaining or fear of relapses.
Even in this very thread there's references like >>41042838 or posts in other threads like >>41035280 indicating that lust very much affects anons and you by not seeing it does not prove anons aren't affected, only that your perception is lacking.
What I do recommend is neither revolutionary nor rebellious, working with yourself and steering yourself in better direction rather than forcing yourself is a common, effective approach both in mundane behavioral science and spiritual practices of many traditions.

In fact, making (smart, deliberate, not guided by lust itself) exceptions in retention in accordance with your will and then moving on without stressing about it vs treating it like an unbreakable rule for its own sake mirrors pretty well teachings of one buddhist parables (and who was more about moving past material trappings than buddhists?):

>The story goes that two monks were traveling together, a senior and a junior. They came to a river with a strong current where a young woman was waiting, unable to cross alone. She asks the monks if they would help her across the river. Without a word and in spite of the sacred vow he’d taken not to touch women, the older monk picks her up, crosses, and sets her down on the other side.
>The younger monk joins them across the river and is aghast that the older monk has broken his vow but doesn’t say anything. An hour passes as they travel on. Then two hours. Then three. Finally, the now quite agitated younger monk can stand it no longer: “Why did you carry that women when we took a vow as monks not to touch women?”
>The older monk replies, “I set her down hours ago by the side of the river. Why are you still carrying her?”

You do you, anon, but I already benefit from my attitude and strongly suspect it may be more suitable for many other, struggling anons.

>>41043241
>Even in this very thread there's references like >>41042838

That isn't an example of repression. It sounds like he is doing SR to improve himself in hopes to find a potential mate. That is his prerogative.

>>41043241
>posts in other threads like >>41035280

Shills are relentless against SR. There is an equal likelihood its demoralization shilling on the board in general as it is an organic user. Its not a believable post. He has been struggling with retention for 14 years and is suddenly choosing to stop and announcing to everyone?

He wouldn't make a thread it would just happen suddenly as he succumbed to the urge.

>>41043241
Your first reference didn't mention stress or torment at all. Your second one did seem angst-ridden, however. These, you would concede, are the minority (if they are accurate at all). True, i shouldn't have used the word "never", since that gives people like you the opportunity to turn an actual discussion into a semantic argument. Fair enough. I shouldn't have said "never see." Shame on me. But my basic assertion is true: BY AND LARGE, LONG-TERM RETAINERS DO NOT WAX ON AND ON ABOUT STRESS, FEAR, TORMENT, GUILT, ETC.

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>>41043225
>Its about how you mentally treat failure if it occurs which again is different but also a slippery slope.
Somewhat. I don't encourage spilling your seed - after all, it wouldn't be retention if it'd be about freely doing it. But I find treating it when one does - and sometimes there are situations when doing so comes with value - as some sort of great failing and beating yourself over it is unwise.

If you have no good reason to - you shouldn't ejaculate and if you feel strong need to despite knowing you don't have good reason to - it's something to address and work with, rather than put a lid on and let fester. Nor is it a great failure if you have a good reason to indulge - as long as you don't lie to yourself about it, make that decision consciously and take what you learn from it to further your practice, you'll benefit in the end.

The energy and vitality associated with lust, seed etc is just a resource. Wasting it will set you back, but consciously deciding when to spend it and on what is using it though, the same way you enrich yourself not only spending nutrients of your body to keep it active when performing noble deeds, but also when doing worthwhile, pleasant things for yourself.

Thus, as I mention, moderation and balance is better than dogmatic, inflexible, militant approach of too much of /srg/ (which is also why anons here and elsewhere, ones casual or actual pursuants of various spiritual traditions - see /srg/ as cultish/"elitist circlejerks").

# # # THREAD HYGIENE PSA # # #

Starve the shillery.
No attention for them.
No replies.
Focus.
On.
The.
Prize.

(Pro tip > Hide shill posts: Click on the arrow next to the post number, click 'Hide', Comfy.)

>>41043316
>moderation and balance

I'll disagree here. Moderation and balance in many ways is the path to mediocrity in whatever goal you are seeking to succeed in.

You still come off as a shill unfortunately.

>>41043315
Those who are absolutely satisfied and benefit from the way you do things I don't mind continuing their course. But there are, and not just a few (enough I'd question your "BY AND LARGE") anons for whom it doesn't work well and who'd benefit from different approach. Getting worked up or defensive about it when your approach is questioned, when the alternative does work for some is both unwise and doing those anons a disservice.

>>41043374
We'll have to agree to disagree then. Far more often I've seen mediocrity being a result of inflexible, thoughtless falling in line with some dogma, keeping your head down and just doing things by rote. Only those who consciously understand boundaries, the reason behind them and when to push further ever go beyond mediocrity

Question for more experienced retainers:

Is retaining enough to get all of the benefits, or is it mandatory to combine it with some kind of advanced spiritual practice?

285 replies. 4 IPs. This thread is just one cringey samefag bumping it's own thread. Kys and reset your streak.

>>41043416
>tripfag
ngmi

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>>41043410
>Is retaining enough to get all of the benefits, or is it mandatory to combine it with some kind of advanced spiritual practice?
tl;dr the latter and not just for all benefits but big share of any benefits

To elaborate:
Unlike what many overly eager beginners hope, if you already don't overdo your indulgence/stress your body too much and are in good health the benefits tend to be minor albeit valuable long-term. Anons who claim great effects, assuming they're honest, tend to be the ones who overtaxed themselves and the mere return to norm is the huge improvement they notice.

As mentioned before, if SR would be enough on its own to make one achieve new spiritual heights there wouldn't be any need for any spiritual practices as any random person who is in celibacy, with low/no libido or otherwise asexual would achieve divine spiritual mastery by default.
Semen retention is merely a habit and choice to build up and preserve certain resources. While they are (very) slowly being used and refined on their own at certain level, to achieve actual noticeable results in a span of single lifetime, you need to consciously use, allocate and refine that resource.

>>41041833
>lol what's the problem bro?
Teens want women only for sex, what was said is accurate to the life of a teenager

There, much better.
>>41042088
>Keep it spiritual bro.
why? where does the spirit resides?

>>41043500
What practices would you recommend? Currently all I do is meditate and research/read books on esoteric topics.

Newbie question: is having sex with wife allowed? I mean... I am gonna cum. But not from fapping.

>>41043041
>What is the deal with fearmongedring related to if u dont jerk off often = u get testicle/prostate cncer? etc
probably shills and addicts
>I have noticed that ITT there are some retards who believe in jogging and running, so its a massive red flag to the quality of this thread
Advocating against healthy exercise is even more retarded, so it's also a massive red flag to the quality of this thread

>>41043560
Read The Perfect Matrimony. Fair warning: like taking the red pill, there is no going back once you read this text.

>>41042998
>teaching healthier ways of redirecting lust over repression
weener but that is not what you are teaching people to give in to their impulses, that is not correct either.
>>41043107
> the parts of you maintaining your carnal desires will be still there and they will hurt your spiritual progress now that you've chained and demonized them rather than working with and ultimately transmuting them.

It's like I slipped on the twilight zone this morning or something, while you are correct in your appreciation, you still aren't teaching it properly, resorting to the good old comparison, it's like you go to a heroine addict and tell them to pinch their vein whenever they feel like, instead of helping them through the withdrawal phase and then teaching them why they shouldn't do it.

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>>41043536
I'll mention that I am the supposedly apostate (from the standpoint of /srg/) anon who wrote >>41043316 - I underline that since any progress and benefits I had were achieved with that approach in mind (though it's likely it will work fine for someone prefering more common and inflexible approach):

Most spiritual/occult traditions will work, the resource you build up through SR is one used in most of them (if not all) in some way, but the most success I had with basic qigong mixed with some western occultism on the side.

So, for a beginner I'd recommend continuing with meditation (which is a foundational skill), combined with maintaining awareness of yourself, your body, your thoughts and emotions as much as comfortably possible (which won't be too much, especially in the beginning, just develop a habit to remind yourself of yourself rather than getting lost in the moment) and simple, easy parctices like baduanjin (prohint: it's not just about movement but moving your attention and awareness of your body with it and with the qi coursing through it).
Semen retention also stems from and thus is very compatible with yogic, tantric practices but I am more reluctant toward those for various reasons and don't want to recommend what I don't do.

Once you get a bit further, you can go deeper with other qigong practices and finally moving into neidan which uses a lot of what you build up now. Stuff like microcosmic Orbit etc.
I recommend getting a proper master but barring that Yang Jwing-Ming is the best, IMO author on the subject - even if sometimes tad dry and unexciting. His "The Root of Chinese Qigong" is a good starting point.
Good luck.

>>41043560
Yes, but it's recommended to retain while you have sex, and there are various methods like karezza and tantra to recirculate the energy during the act. I haven't found that I lose LESS energy cuming from a woman during sex than when I was fapping, it feels basically the same.

In my opinion? It's inferior to just retaining. You're still causing arousal, you're still causing the energy to concentrate in the groin, and it makes retaining much more difficult.

It's kind of like wanting to eat junk food but not gain weight, so you chew the food and then spit it out to avoid the negative effects. It's a half-measure for people who want to indulge, but not face the full brunt of the negatives of cooming.

>>41043560
Allowed? This is not a cult, do what your hearts tells you to, which my instinct is, make your wife a very happy woman.
If you are interested in retention while in marriage, read this book
>>40994232

>>41043590
>The Perfect Matrimony
What for? Did you miss the 'newbie' bit?

>>41043560
Some anons will claim it's okay but from a spiritual practice, you spend your energy either way, masturbation or sex. It's up to you to decide how much which is worth.

>>41040813
No I will not show you any examples, go look for them if you are that interested, if can't see them maybe the other anon is right and you have participated on that.
It's like there are two factions on this place, the hedonists and the reli-cucks.
The two monks that went to the market together found themselves awestruck at the sights, and upon returning to the monastery, one locked inside his room to whip himself with the belt with the little spikes because he felt lust, the other one locked inside his room to furiously masturbate at the thought of the women's smiles and skin.
Both are dead wrong and will never transcend samsara.

>>41043673
D&C, the post.

>>41043673

I have read all the threads in real time and its as I suspected you are just making random claims that don't exist or certainly not the degree you are suggesting.

>>41043673
>and upon returning to the monastery, one locked inside his room to whip himself with the belt with the little spikes because he felt lust,

I haven't seen anyone suggest intentional self harm is a legitimate act to engage for experiencing lust.

>>41043686

The shills are appear to be much more active I've noticed in this thread compared to others.

Mr Magoo was near-blind because he couldn't stop spilling his goo. "Oh Magoo, you've done it again" https://youtu.be/n3UKJq_lxcM

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>>41043629
i know nothing about spirituality or practices so thanks for this post, I already meditate so i’ll keep doing that but i’ll also do the other stuff

>>41043629
Interesting, I'll think about Qigong. I've tried chaos magick type stuff before and didn't have great results.

>>41043736
Chaos magic is good to understand - their writing on nature of faith, reality consensus and subjective belief are useful and valuable - but practices themselves are just stuff borrowed from all over the place or whipped out cutting corners so it has a chance of working for mostly anyone, so reliability is often suspect.

>>41043386
Disagreeing is not being defensive. Interesting how you keep deflecting the discussion toward side-issues. Let this be a red flag for the other anons. Anyway, your "advice" seems to be:

>If you need to 'indulge' (fap) every now and again on SR, go ahead and do it consciously, and don't feel bad.

again: this is terrible advice for beginners trying to break porn addiction, and irrelevant, even absurd advice for long-time practitioners.

But hey, y'all do y'all and fap 'em if ya got 'em!!!!!!

You guys sure this isn't a cult?

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This full moon shit is forreal. Battling relapse feelings right now. Day 86. Stay strong lads

I'm just not going to PMO. I know, I know. But I'm just not going to. Simple as.

>>41044025
>I'm just not going to PMO. Simple as.
Good, that's the best approach.

>>41043941
>Disagreeing is not being defensive.
But you are being defensive, to the point now to not arguing in good faith
>Interesting how you keep deflecting the discussion toward side-issues
I disagree. You threw accusations and I addressed them as they came.
>Anyway, your "advice" seems to be
Here's me elaborating on my approach. Maybe it'll help.
>>41043629
>again: this is terrible advice for beginners trying to break porn addiction, and irrelevant, even absurd advice for long-time practitioners.
I disagree. It's decent advice in general for regular people who want to practice it as a basis of bigger life change/for the sake of spiritual practice. Those with actual addiction shouldn't depend on /srg/ in the first place and won't usually get through cool turkey approach without risks (such as not addressing underlying causes and tendencies) and if them being shamed for it is helpful in your opinion, I only assume you lack clue on what's "being helpful".
Long-term practitioners may or may not be satisfied with this approach, but if they didn't incorporate and transmute parts of themselves responsible and striving for fulfillment of carnal desires - and denial won't help them there - it will bite them later.
If you hope to practice SR for its own sake/ideology, you do you, but your approach is inferior and possibly disruptive from the standpoint of practices where the aspirant will have to face different aspects of their psyche.
>But hey, y'all do y'all and fap 'em if ya got 'em!!!!!!
Petty, bad faith jab stemming from ignorance. "Let this be a red flag for the other anons" indeed.

>>41044001
Yes. A cult usually is defined as having some sort of leader saying 'I am your messiah.'

>>41044100
>Here's me elaborating on my approach. Maybe it'll help.
My bad, linked my last reply with a pic instead of intended post: >>41043316

>>41044025
It's really that simple

>>41044103
No, a cult is merely unofficial religious denomination working outside established norms and structures.
Some anons ITT do act like cult zealots about their practice, to the point of attacking those similat, but not "pure" enough in adherence to their dogma.