Is it worth it to take these tapes seriously, or is it much better to listen to binaural beats while meditating?https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHU_ADAgLCXbUu7Q-Uupfe94ODw19wzpN&feature=shared
>>41043689#2. Monroe is a grifter.
>>41043958Please elaborate...
>>41043689Both are useful in their own right. Just don't fall into the trap of paying for them.
>>41043996Oh no, I found gateway tapes on YouTube for free. I tried listening to a few of them with an ad blocker on Firefox. I wouldn't pay money for that.
They are a framework to help you understand the power of imagination (unironically) and will. You can make up something that would work better for you once you understand the process.
I never had any success with them and keep in mind I used the flac versions as well as used them extensively over 6 months. Nothing ever happened each time besides 30-40 minutes of relaxation and feeling deeply relaxed but no vibrations, no images, no colors, no falling sensations. Nothing. I couldnt even visualize the rolling over like a log stuff or floating up like a cloud in the separation tapes. have to say monroe is lying because he said he layed down on a couch for 10 minutes and experienced vibrations in his body so either he's extremely lucky or lying. Or there's some other factor that's preventing this like EM frequency or something as he did do his experiences in the 60's when cell phone towers and frequencies were a lot less so maybe because there's radio towers everywhere or government fuckery it might inhibit people to telepathic connection or something like that.They do put me into a state of relaxation and into a deeper level of thinking if that makes sense, like a light trance where my body feels asleep but I'm still conscious of my mind and the sounds around me are still there. Nothing more than that though.Nothing paranormal or ET like happened such as images of ET's popping into my head or telepathic connection with them, even though I invited for this and gave the consent of my free will many times. I gave the okay for them to do this multiple times probably 50-80+ times in the most friendly and inviting way possible but nothing. Just empty blackness behind my eyes.
>>41044042Ohhhhh. What about the out of body experiences that people claim to have while listening to the tapes?
>>41044053all there is bro. just you and God in the vast emptiness.
>>41044053Same experience for me too. I think psychedelics would be best for connecting with E.T.'s if meditation and gateway experience doesn't work.
>>41043689>BE HONESTOkay but you don’t want to hear it.Neither are of any use beyond the fact that if you listen to them you might just relax because you are probably lying down in a quiet place. But in no way are they helping doing it, it is just the act of relaxing that’s helping you.The theory behind them is junk. Two tones don’t make a third in the brain. So it’s just a placebo at best. You can listen to the original tapes or whatever zoomer junk on YouTube and it will be equally effective.
>>41044038Phew hahaha. Definitely try them out. I found that the gateway ones for me are better for when I am trying to channel energies, as opposed to projecting. I find some other 'generic' hemisync audios to be better for that. Over time you'll notice that that "Brain following the sound" feeling becomes less noticeable over time, and that's more or less the point of them; exercising both hemispheres of the brain to synchronize is a skill not a ton of us are good at, so the tapes help develop that skill. Eventually you should be able to encourage synchronization at will, without the assistance of the audio. At this point for me, I know certain audios that will trigger projection faster than others, so things I listen to are more dependent on my goals.
>>41044082Religion is separate from spirituality. God doesn't talk to us; it's various spirits and our own sub conscious wisdom.
>>41044098It didn't work for you too. I see.
>>41044119What benefits come from synchronizing both hemispheres?
>>41044237No but the vast majority get nowhere with these,Now the actual Monroeinstitute with the sensory deprivation pod things is meant to be more effective but regardless it doesn’t take much research and investigation to work out what is (not) going on here.If they help people fine, placebo or whatever, but OP asked for honesty.
>>41044073The tapes just get you in a mindset, they don't do anything on their own. As for OBE, just try yourself. Nothing I can say matters.
>>41044250Thank you for your honesty :)
>>41044264Have you had any out of body experiences?
>>41044053Part of Roberts Supposed success is him having a triangle (like a pyramid?)>>41044250How so?
>>41043689Youtube compresses the audio so it won't work. Use the flac version, you can easily find a link in the archive or on reddit.
>>41044073>out of body experiencesI had, but they were only my imagination. See, I was floating and flying above my village and it felt more or less real at times, so I flew near the window of my bedroom and knocked the shutter quite hard. In my hallucination, there was a sound, but my real ears did not hear anything, so it was not real. I don't know how to explain but I could tell the difference between sounds in my hallucination and real sounds. And my ears were not asleep, I could hear the tape, and at times I could hear my brother yelling while playing online games in the next room, so if it was real I would definitely have heard that hard knock in the shutter.
>>41044437Oh okay.
>>41044467That is just my own experience though, I have been using the tapes for less than two weeks and I am still trying to get better results. Some people claim to have successfully manifested events or shifted reality while on focus 10 and above, because it's similar to the void state used by reality shifters, or the state akin to sleep used for the law of assumption.
The tapes are what they are. The human brain’s two hemispheres normally sync up via fast electrical rhythms (like gamma waves at 40 Hz) to create seamless awareness. But neuroscience reveals that dissociation, a detached mental state linked to ultra-slow 1–3 Hz delta waves in the *retrosplenial cortex* (a deep brain region that stitches memory, time, and self into linear narratives), temporarily disrupts this harmony. In this state, the brain’s usual timekeeping falters: memories fragment, past and future blur, and the sense of “you” dissolves. Programs like the CIA’s Project MONARCH exploited this by using trauma to overwhelm the brain’s stress systems, forcing dissociation to destabilize identity. Similarly, the Monroe Institute’s Hemi-Sync uses binaural beats to attempt to induce a dissociative state, as your brainwaves sync to the auditory hallucination of the binaural beats. These processes mimic meditative states where the retrosplenial cortex quiets, freeing the mind to process reality non-linearly. Trauma-based methods risk lasting harm, hijacking survival circuits like the amygdala, but controlled techniques (like soundwave entrainment) suggest we could ethically harness dissociation to rewire trauma, boost creativity, or even study how the brain encodes time.
>>41043689Doesn't really work, you're more likely to have an experience if you pay to visit the institute and undergo the legit process in that room/pod setup they have.
>>41043986NTANothing to elaborate, think about it, the guy has been dead for like a decade or more, how can he be a grifter. To reply to your question if you are the OP.Yes, YMMV but it's worth to take these tapes seriously, not all exercises are going to resonate with you from the getgo but it's valuable stuff.
>>41044038>I found gateway tapes on YouTube for freeEviscerated to streaming tier compression, try to look for the hq mp3 at least.
>>41044796So isn't there a risk to damage your brain, having trouble sleeping or concentrating, if you use the tapes too much?
>>41044796Interesting information. I need to look into that. >>41044823$$$>>41044873What's the difference?
>>41044946>What's the difference?more accurate frequencies.
>>41045051Ohhhhh. Okay.
i think enough meditation will lead to the same conclusions. thinking of a thought thinking of itself
I lean towards meditation myself.
>>41044053Worked for me, and that was before I had even heard of the monroe institute. I stumbled upon this world behind the veil. I can assure you it's real. Call me what you want, a liar or whatever but if you are interested I can share what happened.
>>41044356Yep.
>>41043689if you have to ask it wont work sorry but you just ruined it for yourself for questioning it i guarantee 100% it will not work for you now
>>41045592>if you are interested I can share what happenedPlease do.
>>41045592do share it
>>41045592>Worked for me, and that was before I had even heard of the monroe institute.What do you mean by this?Do you mean you used the gateway audio files without knowing they were from the monroe institute?>I can share what happened.I'd actually be more interested in you sharing the specific audio files that you used which worked for you. If you are willing to share that please post a link to it, upload it to a mega or something, or google drive and share a public link for specifically those files.
>>41045592Please share with us. >>41045639You too, please share what happened (unless you're the same anon as above).
>>41043689The people pushing it seem cult like. Also reports of horrible nightmares and shadow people. Its basically inviting yourself to be haunted. I don't get the upside.
>>41044053If you read pic related then the road of progression to deeper states of body vibrations or mental images and colors will start to make sense. I did only one 10 day silent meditation retreat before and was able to achieve body vibrations within 10 minutes of sitting on around day 5 or 6, and astral projected on day 8. I haven't tried hemisync
>>41046215The shadow people never actually DO anything other than be seen. I'm interested in this stuff because it seems that we are supposed to explore everything in this world as spiritual beings.
>>41046306Okay. Thank you for the recommendation :)
>>41046522Forgot to mention that the various levels of states are called Jhanas in buddhism, the book will go through all those with practical application throughout. It reads like a textbook
>>41044053>I used the flac versionsThat means nothing if you used the tampered ones they sell (and were provided by pirates) that have been confirmed to not work.You at least have to try the original ones.
>>41045758>>41045789>>41045809>>41046116I like how >>41045592 just gaslighted everyone about sharing and then immediately abandoned the thread lol.
>>41048459This whole narrative of there being tampered versions is BS trying to dissuade you from using the tapes at all. Ignore this post.Read my hemisync experiences here, I saw a lot of crazy stuff: https://pastebin.com/vmYHvMVs
>>41048654>This whole narrative of there being tampered versions is BS trying to dissuade you from using the tapes at all.1. Share the specific audio files you used, that narrative isn't completely unfounded, I have found downloads for the original cassette tapes in digitized form, there are a lot of versions.2. Do you have any mental illnesses or have you ever had a mental illness or experienced a mental breakdown?3. Do you smoke weed or have you used any other mind altering substances?4. What do you mean by "hallucinations" and were they just things you imagined, like a visualization (experiencing it as 2D space) or were they like a lucid dream (experiencing it as 3D space)?Question #2 and #3 are important because these factors may influence why you are having hallucinations from just the orientation audio. Question #4 is about knowing what you are calling a hallucination. There's honestly too many variables because everybody interprets things differently, and most people leave out the important extra factors (like in Question #2 and #3) when describing their experiences with things like this.
>>41048734https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jPv9wiKbf9SREBAHOHfaXU7i7S-IsJsP?usp=sharingThese are all FLAC. You have to download them to get FLAC quality, don't listen to them in-browser. There even is a fixed version of Five Questions as the version most people have has some audio glitches in it.Yes I have had psychosis but I did not have it during the time I listened to the tapes. I was in my right mind. I think people with schizophrenia/bipolar are able to tap into these things more easily, so I don't see this is as something that disqualifies my experiences.Not for years have I done any drugs. Again, this shouldn't be a disqualifier if that's why you asked it.It wasn't exactly like a lucid dream, but it was like a 3D daydream every time where I was forced to see these things which my own mind was not making, but the tapes were making.
>>41048766>so I don't see this is as something that disqualifies my experiences.I'm not thinking of it as something that disqualifies you either, I'm thinking of it as something that primes your mind to more easily experience these things. It's very difficult to do something your mind has never done and can't comprehend. This is why I was also interested if you used hallucinogenic drugs, because that would also mean you've had those experiences so your mind is primed for that function and already knows what to do.What I notice is that people often tend to leave out the "prerequisities" that allowed them to become capable of something, because to them it was inconsequential and doesn't even register as a factor as to why they can do what they do. So when they tell people how they did something, they unknowingly leave out those extra details, and that just leaves the other person frustrated as to why they can't replicate your results.Thanks for the downloads, maybe I'll retry it again with those audio files, I tried HemiSync once for a few weeks and it just never did anything special. At best I was just in a low level hypnotic trance, but no visualizations or anything special happened.
By the way, only use a wired headset. That is an advice I never see in any thread about the tapes although it's important: do NOT use any wireless headset for the tapes. See, with wireless headsets, the sound is compressed before being transmitted so there is less data to transmit, so it's exactly like converting to mp3, the waves will be altered.However, I noticed that it works significantly better with cheaper earbuds with weak bass than with higher quality earbuds with strong big bass.
>>41048844Honestly this looks like the same FLAC files I've used and downloaded before. I think there are other things I need to train before I come back to attempt this, as I've listened to the original cassette tape audio (there's a A and B side audio because you have to flip the cassette tape) and it still didn't work for me. This is what I mean by prerequisites, they are the most important thing when it comes to training anything, and it's the root cause of frustration of people practicing anything occult/spiritual. Without knowing what prerequisite experiences you need to have or skills you need to train, you'll just be stuck on an endless uphill battle.I'll come back to hemi-sync at a later time when I'm finished testing the other things I'm training right now. Still, thanks for the downloads.On another note, do you have a specific source/download for another spiritual/occult/supernatural practice you've engaged in and saw results:Qigong/Energy Work Method?Sigil Method?Lucid Dreaming/Astral Projection Method?Specific Meditation that created an intense hallucination or energetic experience?Effective Self Hypnosis Method/Hypnosis Audio Files?Etc.?Someone like you has probably already found some other interesting things that worked.
>>41048459>That means nothing if you used the tampered ones they sellCould you elaborate further and provide some sources hopefully?afaik there are three versions1. digited casettes (just the first two sets)2. original cds/flacs3. 'remastered' downloadable versions from wave 5 but the flac files have the same resolution.>So when they tell people how they did something, they unknowingly leave out those extra details, and that just leaves the other person frustrated as to why they can't replicate your results.There are no real prerequisites, maybe besides the anon at >>41048844 suggesting to use a wired headset, I have used earbuds, cheap wireless headbands for sleep, wireless and wired headsets, imo more important is to get an space as undisturbed as possible. Get the manuals too, there is additional information available that you might find useful.
