Does uncanny valley sense come from an extinct humanoid that use to lure us in by pretending to be us? Or is it from something supernatural?
bump for interesti feel like there is also a psychological angle to look at this from
>>41047439We are talking pre-society in tribes. Lawless pvp zones filled with pve elements as well. Nothing is off the table, even in-fighting between fathers and sons which is observed in bears and other critters. Cannibalism is observed in many species as well. Now that the stage is set:>TQOur nervous system and to an extension our anxiety feeling is simple to extrapolate on. Comfort maxing, private vehicles to avoid primal urges, and let not rule out our need for getting ahead by any means. There is something extraordinary about our violent tendencies but to be a Star Trek enjoyer for a moment perhaps we are still in our infant maturity phase which could take billions of years. Please point out my assumptions.
>>41047439It's there to see the supernatural.
>>41047439Maybe. It definitely comes from ape rivalry, between similar but different species. I mean, sure maybe some neanderthals and humans procreated, but they're dead and we're not, and we're not exactly a peaceful species. They were individually smarter, too. The sheep human fears the neanderthal wolf. Probably tons of other earlier rivalries as well.
>>41047810Recently I heard the term cow instead of sheep and wolf. Binaries are dangerous. Consider it cows vs bulls I suppose.
If something feels wrong it probably is, ask yourself if you'd rather be silly or wrong
>>41047439>Something human, but not quiteHominids. Ever encounter or hear about people that are absolutely disgusted with moneys and want to kill/torture them? Okay, now apply that situation to ancient Homo Sapiens meeting Homo Erectus or Homo Neanderthalensis. They look a little like us, but it looks wrong. It's not enough to accept as "human". They also are fully capable of overpowering us physically and eating us.Racism has been built into the human race and has kept us alive for the past 200,000 years. Being able to discern who is like or unlike us has brought us to the global civilization that we are today. Even now, we see this level of disgust arising between our current breeds and even then, the physiological differences are pretty marginal. Perhaps we are due for another "cleansing event" considering the pressure cooker effect that is ongoing at the moment...
>>41048030Or we could live in harmony and allow others to mature? You fuckin rebel. See this is why Hitler was right
>>41047941Right it's just a joke sheep and cows, macaques and bonobos just a comparative sentence whatever you do with it
>>41047439Jews
>>41047439It comes from our brains not understanding what we're looking at, usually something supernatural.
>>41047439You stayed back to gather some fruits and berries and got separated from your group. When you realize that, it's almost dusk. So now you start going back yo your camp. But as you go on, you glimpse on a group of humans standing around a fire, not really far. But the way they move, and speak, there's something off that you can't explain, you have never met anything like that till now. Maybe it's just the dusk clouding your perception? Or maybe some new clan? As you get closer they suddenly notice you and stare at you in complete silence, stopping whatever they were doing.
>>41047439>>41047810These pictures scare me on a visceral level, especially the one in the middle. "Neanderthal predation theory". I think a man wrote a book about this.
>>41047439https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjgOlgklAis
>>41047439I think it's dead bodies.Also it was like one year in the late 90s when they tried to do realistic human cgi and it looked a little weird. It's over.
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>>41047439My bet is absolutely on one or more extinct humanoids.>But we don’t know of any species that preyed on humansWe discover new hominid species fossils constantly. Most of them are still undiscovered. Besides, even if they didn’t prey on humans exclusively, we have evidence that the hominid species we know of ate each other from time to time.>But we drove them to extinctionWe drove a lot of species to extinction. That doesn’t mean they weren’t still scary as fuck if you found one alone in the woods. The advantage of Homo sapiens was in our numbers and ability to have different roles in the tribe. We love hunting bigfoot with our bros, but alone in the woods at night? Nah, your monkey brain tells you to get back to the campfire because it knows you’re fucked in a 1v1.By the way, why do cultures around the world all have stories of Bigfoot-like creatures. Because your brain sees a shape in the woods and it thinks “ape-man”. That doesn’t happen on accident. It’s survival. If the scariest thing out there was a bear, you’d naturally think bear not ape-man. Whatever it was, it was worse than a bear.Also, like many species it may have been possible that they avoided adults, instead choosing to lure away and prey upon children exclusively.>But DNA shows we fucked other hominidsBuddy, we’ve fucked a lot of things.
>>41047439it comes from jewish subversion
>>41049071I think that picture has a deep esoteric meaning...
>>41047439Extinct human relatives causing the effect doesn’t make sense because sites have been found where different human subspecies spent time together across long periods of time. The simplest explanation seems like it’s to avoid sickness. Lots of illnesses produce visual physical symptoms and someone who is very sick can look really weird. Lepers have been excluded from society up to modern times. Who knows what kind of weird diseases the uncanny valley feeling helped us eliminate in the ancient past.
honestly I think it's from bloated diseased corpses. i'm not usually one to deboooonk but uncanny valley never seemed /x/traordinary to me
>>41047439Perhaps the simplest explanation is that it was a way for us to avoid dead/decaying bodies. We may be omnivores, even scavengers to a point, but not eating actively decaying bodies be they animal or human is a survival instinct often overlooked.That being said, my personal opinion is that it’s to suspect or avoid things that aren’t immediately recognizable as “us.” It may sound twisted, but think hard about it: the last time you saw a person who was clearly severely deformed be it birth defects or otherwise, what do you feel *before* pity or empathy? Most wouldn’t want to admit it, but even just for a moment, I’d wager you felt wary/apprehensive or disgusted. Something that made you briefly reconsider if that was actually a person or not. Most quickly move on from such feelings and thoughts, they’re fractions of a second, but it’s still there.Now, extrapolate that to other hominids or higher beings wearing skin suits/disguising themselves. Things that seem human, even if they aren’t (or in the instance I mentioned, they are human but seem not,) you have a hard-wired survival suspicion. 99% of Human history happened before written history. Who knows what we had to avoid in the past, or who we developed suspicion of strong enough it became instinct?
>>41050365Fundamentally correct.
there is no such thing as uncanny valley senseyou're just a coward
>>41049071YOU'LL TAKE MY LIFE, BUT I'LL TAKE YOURS TOO
>>41047439I believe the leading theory among biologists is that other hominids and bands of humans were a major threat to early humans, so being able to tell that someone is slightly off and be alert is a survival mechanism. Other hominids (and humans) used to eat humans or just kill them as a way of preventing competition for hunting ground and gathered resources. Basically racism instinct.It could also just derive from how attuned (and dependant) humans are to body language and facial expression. If something is throwing that off, it's cause for concern.
>>41047439>Or is it from something supernatural?This. The whole evolution Neanderthal thing makes no sense. I look at a gorilla and I see a 600lb beast to avoid, but the gorilla looks normal. I actually enjoy pictures of gorillas and think they're kind of cute. I see people of other races and they mostly dont freak me out. Uncanny valley is something different. I've felt it from people. I've experienced it. It's an instinct that says this motherfucker ain't right. Pretty sure there is at least one, if not many parallel species on this planet and they walk among us. Uncanny valley is our instinct telling us they are near even though our senses have been manipulated to not see them.
>>41047439>extinct They still out there fren.
>>41053535Idk about all the parallel species stuff, but I would have to agree on the "something is off with this person" angle. Think about the last person you bumped into who clearly "wasn't right". No immediate dead giveaways, this is definitely a person, but they are so obviously dangerous and insane. We can recognize when someone is wearing a deceptive mask. You could probably draw a lot of parallels between an uncanny valley face and the face of some psychopath putting on a fake smile that lacks the genuine tells. The uncanny value could be this signal taken to the extreme.
>>41047439If someone kind of looks like you but isn't close enough, then that means they are likely to be as intelligent as you. However, they are genetically diverged from you and their behavior might not align with yours in a predictable way. That means they're probably dangerous.Humans who were instinctively scared and heebie-jeebied by diverged hominid weirdos who were kind of off were more likely to survive. Kill it before it kills you kind of thing.If you met our common ancestor with chimps or any other bootleg hominid offshoot that we murderized due to the uncanny valley, you'd hate it with all your heart and have an urge to either run or destroy it. Not even because that freak necessarily poses real harm but because it was on the safer side to feel that way. Imagine something kind of moving like a person but just animalistically or oddly enough to fill you with dread. There's that survival instinct kicking in.
