A lot of people here seem to not see the truth in Gnosticism and just want to use it as an excuse for their edginess. They make up false shit and believe the internet retarded doomer version of gnosticism that's just>The friggin demiurge trapped me on Earth dood! Instead of actually reading books about acheiving gnosis im just going to autistically screech about it online and make fun of Catholic and Orthodox Christians!It's so annoying and it's not even accurate. Are there any non-larp gnostics?
I don't apply the title of gnostic to myself, I prefer not to be bound to any strict way of thinking, but most of my beliefs and understandings align with it, so. My journey started as a teen, where I was just curious about different religions and spiritual paths. I grew up pretty heavily influenced by native/tribal culture, and started with a foundation of "respect our earth, respect your fellow souls, and be loving/kind."What I noticed was a lot of the core values of many religions or spiritual paths all had similar core teachings when you removed the names, storytelling, and human omission/addition for the sake of control. Then in history classes and learning about ancient civilizations, I would branch off on my own to learn more than what school taught. I came to an understanding pretty early on that multiple things can be true. The doomer version and expression I feel is by design. People tend to gravitate toward negativity. I prefer to view physical life akin to peeling petals off a closed flower under you get to the center.
>>41062259I've read the Bible and now I'm reading the Nag Hammadi ScripturesGnosticism seems like bullshit to me, desuI just don't understand what people see in it. Christians already know the world is fallen and full of evil and controlled by Satan, so what else is new
>>41062450Doesn't sound like you've read either.
>>41062470The world is controlled by Satan, otherwise it wouldn't have made sense for Satan to offer the kingdoms of the world to JesusThe Nag Hammadi Scriptures just don't have any authenticity to them. Whatever we do know about them is that the early church fathers considered it heretical, which they are. There is no hidden secret special knowledge that will grant you salvation that only a certain small group of people know about. That's total bullshit and everyone knows it.
>>41062522Again, you clearly haven't read the scriptures. You're talking irrelevant gibberish.
>>41062319>I prefer not to be bound to any strict way of thinkingThat's Gnostic, bud.
>>41062522You know most Gnostic Christians didn't take the lore literally, right? It was all allegory to them. What about this don't you understand?
>>41062663Hehehe, touché
>>41062259Non-larp gnostics don't have any reason to post about their spiritual path on 4chan. Gnosis is not a religion and they do not proselytize. When they do reveal something, they adapt it to the person they are addressing, based on their traditional background and their level of spiritual maturity. Preaching "gnosticism" to those who aren't ready to receive higher teaching is always destructive, first and foremost to the preacher, upon whom it is incumbent to understand that the world is saved through one's own attainment of knowledge and not through controlling the opinions of others (which is one of the functions of religion: so these proselytizers are very often psychics who have gotten themselves confused by seeking that which is above them).
>loving God made the world >hid the instructions for salvation>only a few lucky people can figure it outWow gnosticism is epic, I'm so smart for being a gnostic and everyone else is an evil hylic
Just ask them what Barbelo means and when they inevitably ask you what you mean, call them retarded until they leave and stop shitting up the board.
>>41062259I owe nothing to anyone. I don't have to prove whether I'm a true Gnostic or just a usurper. The real question lies elsewhere: we are not all at the same spiritual level, even among Gnostics. Some are much more connected to their spirit than others. This is why there can be divergences in words, in language, in origin, or even in each person's spiritual foundation.Because gnosis is not a simple reading of texts. It is not an accumulation of information. Gnosticism is direct knowledge, a secret initiation, a lived experience. It is an inner journey.However, not everyone approaches it with the same intensity. And above all, our thoughts are not always clear. It is difficult to distinguish when it is the ego expressing itself, when it is the mind, when it is the higher mind, or even the spirit. We are not connected in the same way at every moment. It depends on the state of the world, the current egregore, and our inner state at the time. Sometimes you can say very beautiful words, and two hours later, say things that no longer make any sense.Finally, this world is composed of multiple layers of reality. These realities don't contradict each other: each is true in its own plane. But depending on whether we ascend or descend to another plane, the laws change completely. This doesn't make them any less real.
>>41062789I think Gnosticism has a lot to do with Buddhism, but only certain sects of Buddhism. Though not all are the same, it's usually Mahayana and Vajrayana that seeks to attain the role of the Bodhisattva. In contrast (again, I understand completely and do not need a lecture on all the exceptions) Theravada, for example, commonly seeks Moksha instead.I tend to find most of Mahayana akin to Orthodoxy or Catholicism personally. But the topic of the Bodhisattva is nuanced and the sects which practice it, specifically Vajrayana (which is what I'm most familiar with), seem to me to be closer to what I find Gnosticism to be underneath. To explain, I find a lot of overlap in the structure of their system, where the intense focus on Bhakti Yoga really resembles for me the meditations on the Sophia (or Mary the Magdalene), equating in some ways Shiva to Jesus.This is just one aspect of the overlap between the systems. I could do a lot more, like the imagery of the Firey Sword (Manjushri and Revelation) the similarities between the references to the Ajna and certain bible verses (again, it's Revelation), the Wisdom of Sophia and Shakti's Bell (muh Seven Rays) and on and on, but I'll save all of you for now.I really ranted there, but if we're all showing off, I guess this is a brief summary from me. Anyway, all this was to say that I don't think you have a mature understanding of the interplay between Gnosticism and more developed spiritual systems. Gnosticism is, if you're doing it right, in the end about "rescuing Sophia" and you too can do this by becoming a Bodhisattva, anon. To help you understand, you fuck the Shakti in other versions of you (muh Brahman multiple faces), other people, to "rescue Sophia" as the Bridegroom of themseveles trapped in muh Demiurge's "prison".I think either you got got or haven't figured out yet they all had to go underground because they kept getting murdered (so I guess I don't blame you much).
>>41062259What's an "actual Gnostic" to you? Serious question.
>>41064451Well part of the preface of the thread is helping OP understand what "Gnosticism" means. I guess we could spend the next 100 posts all asking the same question, but it'd be nice if eventually someone explains the nuance of OP.
>>41064451Anyone who knows they have the Christ-Sol. NTA
>>41062259>Are there any Jew approved kosher gnostics here instead of "larpers"?Is what you seem to be really asking...
>>41064488you are a retarded nigger
In Gnosticism, we mention the Archons, but we never talk about the Archangels, the luminous entities. Do you know why? Because you're fucking Satanists.
>>41064566>because you're satanistsProblem? Lucifer is the gnostic hero.
>Are there any non-larp gnostics?ya but /x/ in 2025 is a desert for actual conversation on these matters, so i just lurkthe way is as narrow as ever
Gnostics are ungrateful whores. God created their bodies and souls for them, and they aren't even grateful for the beautiful life they've lived on Earth. They're fed and housed for free. God answers their pleas when they're sick, when they're lonely. I can't wait for you to be thrown into the depths of hell.
>>41064566are you retarded? Literally search up the Aeons. Gnosticism doesn't only mention the Archons, dumbass.
>>41062450A few things that might be appealing about it:For one thing, it fits a little better with modern science to say that this world was corrupt from the beginning rather than created perfectly fine and then taken over, since we don't have much evidence that it was ever a paradise here and we have a lot of evidence to the contrary. For another thing, it avoids attributing all the genocide, genital mutilation, and animal sacrifice commands directly to the good God, making better sense of why those rules don't apply to Christians and perhaps making better sense of some things Paul says, as well as taking seriously the times in the Old Testament where it seems to say that God didn't require sacrifices (Like Psalm 40:6, "Sacrifice and offering you do not desire, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required."), which the Gnostic can interpret as being from the influence of Christ/Sophia, while the other things can instead be interpreted as being from the influence of humans, the archons, or the demiurge's distorted lens on the plan for salvation (http://www.gnosis.org/library/flora.htm). It's also more appealing for people who are intuitively very convinced of things like preexistence or reincarnation.
>>41064587This is worded like Earth is a perfect planet with no mistakes, can you also discuss how God gave us humans war, famine, poverty, death, genocide, and all of the crazy shit on Earth? Should we be grateful for that too?
>>41064624It's because the demon perched on your left shoulder whispers nonsense and lies to you that you come to believe in reincarnation. If you believe in reincarnation, then you inevitably see this world as a prison: a place where your memory is erased and where you no longer have the freedom to think.But the truth is quite different: we only have one life. Yes, there is suffering on Earth, but it exists to separate the wheat from the chaff (Matthew 13:24-30), to prepare us for Judgment Day. For it is only through trial that we can truly discern whether we are a good or a bad person.
>>41064675>the demon perched on your left shouldeNext you're going to tell us you believe in the rapture lmao
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>>41064611Also doing apologetics for a much more Gnostic Christianity being original could be fun as an ultra-hard (but I believe still viable) mode of apologetics for people who are just really into arguing.
>>41064875Yeah, true, I'm not sure I believe much about gnosticism but it is definitely an interesting type of theology
>>41064675You realize how pointless that would be if we only had one life to live and whatever we do here cinches it forever? You understand how you would have learned nothing or whatever you have learned would be moot? How can you not see this?
>>41065310The concept of reincarnation is like another illusion invented by the Devil to prevent human beings from questioning themselves before death. Not only does it give a sense of impunity>it doesn't matter, I can do harm in this life, I'll have another chance.but it also instills in people of good will the impression that liberation will never come. Thus, divine mercy is replaced by an intellectual construct: karma, which seems to appear out of nowhere and becomes an argument for judging whether one is a good or bad person.However, if a four-year-old child, or even a one-year-old, dies, it is not because they deserved such a fate in a previous life, but because God, who never assigns a trial beyond a soul's capacity, has decided so. In this case, an immense paradise awaits them.
If you take even the slightest interest in this Gnostic religion, you will notice that many of those who practice it behave in an arrogant and disrespectful manner. Since they consider the earth not sacred but impure, they seem to want to destroy it and its inhabitants. They show neither shame nor compassion. As soon as someone speaks to them about the truth, that is, Christianity, they react with contempt and mockery. Their pride is immense: they believe themselves to be more intelligent than others, when in reality, they only take from Christianity what serves their interests. This makes them deeply deceptive people and often lie.
>>41065464Once you know The Way, you are in a perpetual state of repentant heart. So, you're wrong and you only need one example to prove you're wrong.>However, if a four-year-old child, or even a one-year-old, dies, it is not because they deserved such a fate in a previous life, but because God, who never assigns a trial beyond a soul's capacityYou use that word so loosely. Explain the theatrics of Revelation.
>>41065484As for the "theatrical effects of Revelation," it is true that the Bible uses symbolic and dramatic language to reveal God's final victory over evil. These images are not spectacles, but spiritual and prophetic signs that remind us of God's justice, mercy, and triumph.The Christian Way is based on grace and repentance, not on the cycle of lives or karmic justice. Divine mercy is real, immediate, and perfect.
>>41065504>As for the "theatrical effects of Revelation," it is true that the Bible uses symbolic and dramatic language to reveal God's final victory over evilYeah, so you're saying it's fictional.>These images are not spectacles, but spiritual and prophetic signs that remind us of God's justice, mercy, and triumphThere's no need for The Creator to "win" anything or "triumph" over anyone. He's The Creator.Tell me this, why aren't you giving away all you own?
>>41065521I understand your objection, but there is an important nuance. When the Bible speaks of God's "victory" or "triumph," it is not to suggest that He is in competition or that He must "win" something. It serves to show, symbolically, that evil will be defeated and divine justice will be accomplished. This dramatic language helps our limited minds grasp profound spiritual truths.As for giving "all one has," the Christian faith teaches generosity and detachment, but God respects our freedom. The call to give does not mean forced impoverishment, but a movement of the heart toward charity and love of one's neighbor, according to one's abilities and gifts. True greatness is not in the material quantity given, but in the attitude of the soul that seeks to love and serve.Please stop making yourself dumber than you are.
So does anyone have a valid explanation for why there'd be 37 almost entirely devoid of substance related to the OP?Is there really that many people out there who just know to say "archons" and "demiurge" and maybe two or three other words and that's it - that constitutes a thread about "Gnosticism? Guys, I have to insist it's extremely evident practically none of you have any understanding of what Gnosticism is. Can you please go read something about this subject? It makes it very boring when /x/ is supposed to be a book-reading board unlike /b/ or /bant/.Do any of you even know what a Barbelo is? Who is Mani? What is a "Bridegroom" and how does it relate to this subject? Who were the Libertines and why did they become so degenerate? What was wrong with what the Valentinians, Sethians, etc. were doing when Plotinus corrected them (on Gnosticism in the Enneads)? What was the Refrigerium? Who were the Essenes? If all you know is archons and this is a prison and sophia is stupid or something, then I'm afraid you're not even modestly informed about Gnosticism.
>>41065561>I understand your objection, but there is an important nuance. When the Bible speaks of God's "victory" or "triumph," it is not to suggest that He is in competition or that He must "win" something.Are you saying Revelation is not literal or true in a literal sense?Jesus literally praised the woman that gave ALL she had. Even if it was two stipends. These passages contradict what you just said. Also, literally says you can't be his Disciple if you don't give away all you own. As you know, there's more than one passage about it.
>>41065566>Do any of you even know what a Barbelo is?The thoughts of the soul.>Who is Mani?That I don't know.>What is a "Bridegroom" and how does it relate to this subject?The marriage between your male and female aspects.>Who were the Libertines and why did they become so degenerate?It's the kind of impression free will can give you. I don't know anything other than that if you're looking for demon names or ancestral curses and things.>What was wrong with what the Valentinians, Sethians, etc. were doing when Plotinus corrected them (on Gnosticism in the Enneads)?This I don't know either.>What was the Refrigerium?Don't know.>Who were the Essenes?A sect of Judaism that relied on Ancient "YHWH" knowledge from before he revealed himself to the Shasu.
This is your true face, Gnostics. You are the greatest Satanists that the earth has ever known.
>>41062259Dood, i just postin coz snaek
>>41065767The Demiurge wants us to circumcise our children and gives authority to central bankers.
>>41062259All religions are a larp unless they have some strong root in one's childhood, in which case it is part of their culture. But somehow I know that most of /x/ has adopted an idea they like and say it is their culture.
>>41066101Both Buddhism and Christianity are theosophies that have been construed into religion by this material world via church and tradition.
>>41062259Fuck you, know that I'm a Gnostic and I don't mind jokes, even about these beliefs. We're not going to create a dogmatic religion where we can laugh at anything.
>>41064550Why? Because you worship Jew on sticc? Good golem. More blood for the blood god!
Gnosticism to me is a way to make sense of Christianity and the larger abrahamic realm of influence. Oh, god is evil and "free will" is a game of domination and submission? Makes perfect sense.
>>41068079Retards will always come to /x/ threads and complain about Jews for literally no reason and im sick of it, if you want to go autistically screech about DA JOOOOS go do it on /pol/ you filthy tranny
