>>41062740Continuing from before. Ask me anything about hinduism. PLEASE stay on topic.>>41068003Already answered that here https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41007695/#q41009172>>41066124First thing you gotta understand is that historically, moses wasn't an absolute monotheist. No jew was, they were all henotheists or monolators. Alot of moses's direct dialogue on divinity was about the rejection of kings, rather than the existence of other gods. This makes sense when we remember that 1. Kings in the ancient world are a religious function. A king is either a god or the divine emmissary of a god. The pharoah in egypt is the relevant example here.2. Judaic religion historically had two primary gods. El & Yahweh. El was the supreme god, yahweh is the son. 3. Jewish political system had a hierarchy consisting of; King, Messiah, priests, prophets & judges. The jewish religion has two messiahs- the political one who is the king, and the spiritual one who leads the religion. Currently jews do not have a candidate for either king or messiah. Thus they only have a political-religious system of prophet, priest, judge.4. The rejection of kingship for moses is on the basis that israel has one principal god to serve as king (el). The king is his divine emmisary on the planet, anyone else is absolutely banned from acting in that role for the jews. Thus the pharoah is unacceptable as ruler of the jews, as is the romans. The importance for the jews was never whether or not other gods existed, it was a rejection of serving any god before El. El & Yahweh always comes first. Always. Moving on, Saraswati & Visnu are two. Though a gaudiya Vaisnava would tell you that ultimately, they are both one being. Vaisnava's aligning Saraswati as a teacher for moses is interesting, considering she is a river goddess.
>>41075206Answering some old questions from the kundalini threadhttps://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41007695/#q41016546Heat is normal, all normal. It's prana- psychic energy refining in the body. Next time you meditate, stay with the feelings and don't reject them. If it's getting uncomfortable, that's a good thing (mostly). There's alot of symptoms that occur when the energy refines. This isn't quite kundalini, but it's getting to a similar area. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41007695/#q41016647Yes it's worth pursuing. The reason that kundalini psychosis is a common phenomenon in the modern world is because alot of people who get into it want to be worldly and spiritual at the same time. Effectively, they try to maintain their materialism while practicing kundalini. This is a HORRIBLE FUCKING IDEA. The function of kundalini, that makes it so powerful, is that it literally BURNS AWAY DEFILEMENTS. If you're maintaining even the most basic of morality, you will be fine! It becomes dangerous however when you still want to call people nigger, pressure people into suicide, kill animals or goon or *whatever* worldly poison you pick. All of that is incompatible with kundalini, and trying to do both at once will burn *you* instead of your problems. Alot of this also comes from trauma, which many people will hold onto relentlessly because they turn their issues into a personality and then wonder why their life is falling apart. If you want the secular comparison for what kundalini can do- check out "TRAUMA RELEASE EXERCISES". This will give you a good insight into why holding onto maladaptive patterns fucks you over in the process. Finally, regarding spiritual stagnation, the answer to that is simple. Just practice. Especially if you notice an aversion to meditation- that is exactly when you should go practice again.
>>41075277why meditation/visualization practice? shouldnt kriya yoga be able to activate kundalini faster?
>>41075206>started Kali sadhana few weeks agonice synchronization. can you tell me more about the iconography of the specific form? why is she just resting one of on Shiva's hands instead of dancing?Kali is supposed to be one of the most intense/fierce forms of Shakti, but in the past, when I tried other Mahavidya sadhana like Chinnamasta or Dhumavati, compared to them, Kali seems a bit slow or unresponsive, even though according to my horoscope I should have a deeper karmic connection with Kali - any ideas why that might be?
>>41075206not exactly hinduism but I have a question about the BuddhaDharma, is Indo-Tibetan Buddhism the most authentic transmission of the teachings?
>>41075206how to do Karna Pishachini sadhana?
>>41075206>Alot of moses's direct dialogue on divinity was about the rejection of kings, rather than the existence of other gods. This makes sense when we remember that\Yeshttps://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9066Abraham = Brahma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydyk>Philo of Byblos gave the Greek meaning of the name as Δίκαιον "Righteousness", thus indicating that the word corresponds to the Semitic root for "righteousness", √ṣdq. A Phoenician god named ṣdq is well attested epigraphicall>Some names, like the rare name ṣdqmlk (Phoenician king of Lapathus and a personal name from Carchemish Phoenician inscription), mlky ṣdq, ṣdqʾ (king of Ashkelon under Sennacherib [he] and a personal name from an inscription from Kition), might be theophories of the god Sydyk. Robert R. Cargill has also argued in favor of etymologizing Melchizedek as "my king is Sedek", suggesting that the deity was worshipped in pre-Israelite JerusalemSydik connected with Melchizedek מלכי צדקמלכי - kingצדק - zedek/sydikgoogle sydik aaaaaaaandhe.wikipedia.org/wiki/צדק_(כוכב_לכת)Its Jupiter!https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrew-Lehti-2/publication/384733541_On_the_Ancient_Transliteration_of_Jove/links/67058b76f246af12435778a2/On-the-Ancient-Transliteration-of-Jove.pdf
>>41077043https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3050https://churchunity.net/home/my-name-is-in-him/yahweh-jupiter-of-the-hosts-18th-century-a-d/https://purebibleforum.com/index.php?forums/yahweh-jove-and-is-a-pagan-devil.95/We see double evidence that the Jewish god is connected to Jupiter, both with the god of the Romans and with the planet (Sydik his second name, which could be pronounced aloud)
>>41077043>>41077049P.S.There are many theories about the connection between Jove/Jupiter and YHWHJupiter (planet + god) connected with planet Jupiter in hebrew and romanic god
>>41076673Kriya yoga is "action yoga". It involves asceticism, sadhana to a personal god & study. Kundalini formed one part Kriya Yoga. Later authors like Yogananda did not quite understand entirely the material they were working with, which was as they said, somewhat lost. This is to say, do the practice properly and get the proper result. Don't half ass kundalini. >>41076780>nice synchronization. can you tell me more about the iconography of the specific form? why is she just resting one of on Shiva's hands instead of dancing?Shiva in this picture is mahakala, he is representing death & time. Kali is Mahakali, representing the end point of kundalini (Para Brahman). Kundalini is the fast track to mahamudra (a practice shared with buddhists & shaivite hindus). After a kundalini session, one should always rest in open awareness styled meditation. Shiva as time & death is still being danced on by kali (thus showing the ability for kundalini & mahamudra to completely conquer both). This shows the ability for all time and space to be subordinate to her nature, which is pure bliss-awareness. Shiva holding her willingly is a way to show the interplay between time, death, kundalini, mahamudra. Time and death surrender to bliss. This is par the course as in shaivism all of life is used in yogic-mindfulness to see it as it really is; pure bliss-awareness.>Kali is supposed to be one of the most intense/fierce forms of Shakti, but in the past, when I tried other Mahavidya sadhana like Chinnamasta or Dhumavati, compared to them, Kali seems a bit slow or unresponsive, even though according to my horoscope I should have a deeper karmic connection with Kali - any ideas why that might be?1. What sadhana are you doing?2. How are you doing your sadhana?3. How often are you doing your sadhana?4. Explain what you mean by slow/unresponsive.
>>41075206in the Golden Dawn system the Middle Pillar ritual starts energy work with the sphere of Malkuth, which is on the ground between the feet.And non-western traditions like Daoism also use the feet to circulate the earth energy into the body in practices like the Macrocosmic Orbit.So my question is, why does the yogic system always start with the root chakra? Does the yogic system not recognize the energetic center where the feet are? But if it does, why doesnt it place an importance on it compared to other systems?
>>41075277Why can't I goon and do kundalini
>>41075206>>41076780>>41077246>started reading Jan Fries' Kali Kalua yesterdayNiccee. I'm too inexperienced to even ask intelligble questions, but this path is something I'm drawn to even though I don't know where to stary>>41076780Also where are you getting that info from your horoscope?
>>41077246thanks for the reply>What sadhana are you doing?basic tantra: using a mantra in front of a yantra.>How are you doing your sadhana?focusing on the black dot in the middle of the yantra, while chanting the mantra out loud>How often are you doing your sadhana?every day at least chanting the mantra 108 times. on days when I have more time and not feel to tired in the evening I do 1008 times instead, which is 2-3 times in the week.> Explain what you mean by slow/unresponsivewell, when I did Chinnamasta sadhana in the same way as mentioned above, I could strongly feel a surgin genergy in my body and had quite early some dreams of her.One of the dreams was her mentioning that her "western form" was Medusa. After that I tried to look it up, but while it seems there were some fringe sects that worshiped Medusa as a deity, no one seems to have made that connection between Medusa and her so far, no matter where I looked - but the imagery is too similar and the feel of the dream wasnt ordinary so I know without a doubt that it was legit.For Dhumavati, well I stopped the Sadhana even faster because things started to go completely wrong in my life (my fault for not researching beforehand that she is a cemetery deity and shouldnt be worshiped at home). But her abilty to manifest her chaotic energies in such a brutal and fast way is something that I cant explain in words.Kali compared to that, hasnt given me esoteric knowledge through dreams, or changed things in my life so far. However, I still feel some sort of energy moving in my body (but its not like with Chinnamasta's violent torrent energy) which is a small prickling pain, but absolutely tolerable
>>41077312>Also where are you getting that info from your horoscope?someone on /x/ did a reading on my chart and used Agrippa's method from his 3 Books of Occult Philosophy to deduce my personal daimon/deity.Obviously it was a western atrological reading, but a competent vedic astrologist should be able to tell you your Ishta-devata as well
>>41076838Learn about Krama. Svabodha in his Aghora book talks about this sadhana IIRC, but the book shouldn't be trusted too much, some of the information is off on purpose to keep people from burning their hands. Study the tantraloka and find the Krama literature, learn more about the system first before you do something stupid. >>41077309If you want to, go for it. But it'll kill you or drive you crazy.Kundalini burns defilements. Gooning is not a "clean" activity, it's a death cult built around obsessive self pleasure to the point of destruction. Kundalini already doesn't do well with jerking off or semen release. It can be done, but kundalini takes the energy of sexual desire (among the others) and purifies it into nectar. When you jerk off and coom (be you male or female), you're throwing out some of the energy kundalini would've burned. Makes it less powerful. Gooning is going a step further, it is actively creating mental defilements and turning a neutral activity (sexual pleasure) into a malevolent one (lust). If you're gonna jerk off, do it in a way that honours your sexuality at the very least. But don't goon or do anything else similarly stupid if you're gonna pick up the spiritual path. That just asks for trouble. >>41077273Middle pillar absolutely does not start off with the earth beneath the feet, it starts off with the light above the head. Daoist energy practice is pulling up energy from the earth upwards to stabilize the chi in the body like you said, this makes it not comparative to yoga-tantra. Some yogis pull energy up from the earth, some don't. Depends on time, place, lineage, sadhana, person. Yoga starts wherever it's gonna start. Often this is at the navel chakra. (cont)
>>41077458>So my question is, why does the yogic system always start with the root chakra? It doesn't, typically again it starts with the navel chakra. The root chakra has more to do with sex and the genitals than the navel chakra, but the two are an interplay. Stuff starts off in the root, then gets manifested in the navel. The navel chakra is a big focus because it's fucking powerful.The reason for this has to do with desire (sexual and non sexual), karma and the activation & movement of kundalini. >Does the yogic system not recognize the energetic center where the feet are? But if it does, why doesnt it place an importance on it compared to other systems?Not all systems focus directly on the feet. Yogis DO have this, but it's not a big focus. Pulling up energy from the earth into the feet is to stabilize the energy in the body, the focus in yoga is generally more broad than that. Your guru might tell you to do this if you're traumatized and he's actually learned. >>41077312nice, good choice.Strive onwards. >>41077367>basic tantra: using a mantra in front of a yantra.This is a system that is a bit damaged, but i get what you mean more or less. >ocusing on the black dot in the middle of the yantra, while chanting the mantra out loudWhat yantra? Don't just stare at the black dot forever, focus on it the same way you would the breath. Do this until you have the Yantra burned into your memory. When you have the Yantra burned into your memory, close your eyes and focus on the image of the Yantra burned in your mind. Still staying at the black dot area. This allows you to focus properly on the yantra. Continue to recite mantra throughout the process. >every day at least chanting the mantra 108 times. on days when I have more time and not feel to tired in the evening I do 1008 times instead, which is 2-3 times in the week.Throw in some devotion. Bow atleast three times every day and give offerings to the deity. (cont)
I made a thread a week or so ago about escaping samsara and how I narrowed it down to buddhism as feeling the closest to the truth, to me, without accepting many or even most of its precepts. Hinduism to me draws on a related Truth, but the complicated cosmology and abundance of lesser and greater deities strikes me as too specific (how was that all worked out in such detail?) and too human-centric (a hierarchy of dudes with different jobs) to take seriously. I want to escape the cycle of rebirth, but frankly I'm not convinced it's even possible.So I guess my question is twofold: within hinduism, what is the official line for how knowledge of the canon came to be, and why were you personally drawn to it as the true description of the world? (Assuming you're not just a religious scholar with an interest in it.)I consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I'm open to the idea of a metaphysics that is completely inaccessible to humans and is only revealed upon death, or perhaps partially revealed, or never revealed. The answer I suspect you'll give is that that broader reality is actually accessible through meditation and practice and can be experienced firsthand, but I still remain deeply skeptical of the human mind's ability to interpret its own experiences independent of its own preconceived notions. In other words, how can we be sure that the experiences of deep meditation are in fact what hinduism (or buddhism, for that matter) says they are, and not just a profound sensual experience contained wholly within the brain and body? (Again, I suspect the answer is again "you must see for yourself.")I realize all religious practice hinges on some degree of faith, but I just can't seem to get past my initial skepticism. Especially in the case of hinduism / buddhism where essentially you must fully commit the rest of your life to it for it to mean anything. It could change my life and brain for the better without doing a damn thing for my immortal soul / atman.
>>41077481>What yantra?pic>When you have the Yantra burned into your memory, close your eyes and focus on the image of the Yantra burned in your mindthats a good advise. outside of the practice, I chant the mantra internally (when I go to sleep for example), but visualizing the yantra would be so much more fruitful.And doing it during the sadhana in the way you described is definitely something I will try>Bow atleast three times every day and give offerings to the deityI thought about offerings beforehand, but the traditional offerings for Kali are a bit hard for me to consistently get. And I'm worried that offerings that I would give instead might displease her instead.So its more cautiousness than a lack of devotion. But bowing is something I havent thought of before and is something I absolutely can do
>>41077481>well, when I did Chinnamasta sadhana in the same way as mentioned above, I could strongly feel a surgin genergy in my body and had quite early some dreams of her.One of the dreams was her mentioning that her "western form" was Medusa. Believe that Jake Stratton Kent linked medusa to hecate ( i could be wrong). Either way, note the dream and put it aside for now. May become relevant later, may not.>For Dhumavati, well I stopped the Sadhana even faster because things started to go completely wrong in my life (my fault for not researching beforehand that she is a cemetery deity and shouldnt be worshiped at home). But her abilty to manifest her chaotic energies in such a brutal and fast way is something that I cant explain in words.You need to study the tantras for the mahavidya. Almost every tantric god is also a cemetary god. This is not correct information, Dhumavati is actually one of the more "gentle" mahavidya goddesses. You may have gotten your hands smacked here for doing things in a way that is not standard. >Kali compared to that, hasnt given me esoteric knowledge through dreams, or changed things in my life so far. However, I still feel some sort of energy moving in my body (but its not like with Chinnamasta's violent torrent energy) which is a small prickling pain, but absolutely tolerableDisregard it all of that. Go back to the yantra & mantra practice. Your mind isn't getting NEARLY still enough during your practice. If neat things happen, disregard them. You will know when to pay attention to them. The next time you do yantra, apply the recommendation I gave. Allow your mind to get unified on the yantra. Use the mantra as the "secondary device" to help apply your focus continually to the yantra and what it represents. Do not get caught up in any details not relating to the concept at hand. Return over and over to the yantra. If you have anything that distracts you during it, note it and let go back to the yantra.
>>41077583thanks. It's a pleasure discussing more of the niche topics like Mahavidyas and tantric practice. Will be going to bed now. I hope this thread stays alive, because its such a goldmine of knowledge
>>41077570>thats a good advise. outside of the practice, I chant the mantra internally (when I go to sleep for example), but visualizing the yantra would be so much more fruitful.Keep in mind that when we visualize, it's not that we are trying to "imagine" the image. We use the faculty of memory to focus on the image or conjure up sensation of the gods being present.>And doing it during the sadhana in the way you described is definitely something I will tryWishing you a rainfall of blessings.>I thought about offerings beforehand, but the traditional offerings for Kali are a bit hard for me to consistently get. And I'm worried that offerings that I would give instead might displease her instead.Give flowers, water, incense, lights and bowings. No need to go killing chickens or some such. >So its more cautiousness than a lack of devotion. But bowing is something I havent thought of before and is something I absolutely can doBlessings! I didn't mean to say you lack devotion yourself, but starting off with devotion to the god is always standard. This is beneficial in a number of ways;1. It purifies karma before hand 2. It brings you closer to the chosen god3. It creates good karma through the act of giving.
>>41077611Forgot to comment- but chanting the mantra when going to sleep is still good. Don't give that up. Do the yantra visualization during the sadhana! When not doing the sadhana, keep the practice to chant the mantra as you are. Internally or externally, both are good.>>41077610Sleep good, chant your mantra.
>>41075206>Moving on, Saraswati & Visnu are two. Though a gaudiya Vaisnava would tell you that ultimately, they are both one being.>Vaisnava's aligning Saraswati as a teacher for moses is interesting, considering she is a river goddess.My unverified personal gnosis suggests that Vishnu is Archangel Michael, who incarnated as Moses. Saraswati would be Sophia, who is Michaels twin flame/guardian angel.
Ananta Śeṣa ki jaya!
What are your thoughts on Buddhism as a Hindu practitioner, since they are both Dharmic religions/practices?I come from a Buddhist background, and have left my original tradition (Tibetan Buddhism) after my Sangha started to severely devolve, and seeing much of the same at a lot of other Sanghas. I can't speak for everyone, but something feels "wrong" in Tibetan Buddhism / Vajrayana.Was kind of thinking of dipping my toes into whats going on this side of things with HInduism, but I'm also drawn to Theravada as of late, the extreme willpower of the monastics, and the immediate results you tend to get with their meditation instructions.
>>41075206>SaraswatiI just liked the arts and music connection and had her tattooed on my right forearm almost 20 years ago with no other understanding of it all lol is there anything else I should know about her than wiki stuff?
>>41077838Stupid question. Be a buddhist or be a hindu, but don't ask anyone on this website what you should choose. Worse yet, don't throw other sects under the bus ever. That is terribly bad karma. Your choice on religion should be made as according to what is skillful practice. If you want to be theravada, be theravada. If you want to be hindu, be hindu. In the kali yug you cannot afford to flush gold down the toilet when you find the leather bag that carried it may have been smelly.On this website, people make choices often based on emotions and appeal to disastrously negative speech. This is totally inadvisable.>>41077847Not off the top of my head, everything about her is easily findable. If you like arts and music, recite her mantra. >>41077736_/\_
>>41077838Why would you EVER convert to pooduism?
>>41075206As someone with no apparent access to formal exposure/initiation, can you share what you know about Uchishta Ganapati? I find him fascinating and am open to any recommendations to connect with them more. Any resources you have are very welcome. Thank you
Is there a lot of "oh you want to do this practice you have to meet this guru" in hinduism? i aint flying around or going to India.
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>>41077583>Dhumavati is actually one of the more "gentle" mahavidya goddessesits interesting that you would say that. from what I researched she seems to be connected to poverty, so househoulders worshiping her at home will struggle financially (which is also what happened to me).Obviously I know of the dualistic nature of deities, so its possible that her energies might convert poverty into wealth, but its seems pretty risky to attract energies of poverty in your life, which may or may not then later one change into wealth.Also, maybe thats me, but the old appearance made me so scared for so reason, which is something I havent felt with either Kali or Chinnamasta, who are supposed to be frightening in their appearance.Maybe I misunderstood what you meant with "gentle" and you meant it in being able to intake that fierce energy into the body without suffering qi deviation
>>41075206how do you astral project? any mantras that can help?
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>>41078422Uhh unfortunately this is not one I know alot about. I know some of the mantras/mudras but, like much of hinduism, alot of this has been lost to time. I could probably just draft you a sadhana if you wanted based off the remnants of information still available. Disregarding that, this is the manifeststion of Ganes which is supposed to be especially expedient and lays outside of "cultural norms" in india. >>41078697There SHOULD be, but no there isn't. This is a bug, not a feature. Excluding some groups, it's kind of a free for all rn. That said there are some solutions to the issue, one of which is self initiation and the guru god. >>41080411ehhh this is barely a hinduism question.If you want that power get good at meditation. Any mantra is fine more or less, but look for one specifically associated with siddhi. >>41079891This stuff happens because of the karma of the practitioner. If you're gonna call up dhumavati, you should do it expecting that it can mess with your financial situation for good or bad. Dhumavati is a goddess of the poor- she is also capable of bestowing all of ones wishes and great wealth. The issue you had with her is that you had no guidance and your hands got burnt. This is not to fault you, but is just the situation at hand. Uneducated hindus have taken extremely dualistic conceptions to these gods due to the way the caste system has been changed in india very recently. >Also, maybe thats me, but the old appearance made me so scared for so reason, Is normal. Especially if you have the kind of karma that would make this frightening to you. If anything, you may have more karmic affinity with them than you'd think. >, which is something I havent felt with either Kali or Chinnamasta, who are supposed to be frightening in their appearance.Haven't manifested for you yet. The manifestation of the god is not just an energetic thing, it is a tactile reality. Part of the closing of the eyes is to make it easy.
>>41081009 (You)You can infact see the god with your eyes open as well, but the appearance of the god happens in two situations;1. The end result of deep meditation on the god (their form, mandala, mantra or yantra)2. When siddhis have been produced through kundalini or open awareness (this enables one to easily call out to the god and experience the high strangeness associated with them.)In the beginning, seeing the god is easier and faster with the eyes closed, because the mind can unify and become still far easier.In the latter half, it can be better to practice with eyes open, to bring the effect into all aspects of life.You haven't seen the god yet, your mind hasn't calmed down quite enough. You have however built up alot of good karma, so don't doubt in yourself.Let your mind calm down with the practice and center on it. When the deity is seen, the "rainfall of blessings" begins.
>>41081009I do have a sadhana currently, but like you're saying, actually diving into the 'character' of UG is difficult and varied by context/tradition. Are you willing to share more about what remnants of information you're aware of?
>>41081038If you have a sadhana you probably have about the same information as me. Does the sadhana have a murti or a yantra? Either way, apply the same advice I gave earlier to the guy practicing with a yantra. If it has a murti, when you start to visualize the image using the memory of the image (DONT IMAGINE THE DETAILS), "feel" that this is the literal actual god you are meditating on, not just an image.
>>41081009since we are on the topics of Mahavidyas, may I ask if you have done Mahavidya sadhana in the past and which one of the 10? Just asking out of curiosity, since outside of India Mahavidya practice is rare.And why is Tara so important in Vaijra and has so many different forms, while Tara in Hinduism seems a bit obscure?
>>41081085>since we are on the topics of Mahavidyas, may I ask if you have done Mahavidya sadhana in the past and which one of the 10? Just asking out of curiosity, since outside of India Mahavidya practice is rare.Nah, it's just an area I'm knowledgeable about due to the intersection to UKT Shaivism. >And why is Tara so important in Vaijra and has so many different forms, while Tara in Hinduism seems a bit obscure?Colonialism. Is that simple, good saar. Hinduism as you know it today is MASSIVELY DESTROYED. Buddhism shares alot of key features, but was able to survive colonial destruction from multiple empires, because they were better about hiding the information (in pillars, burying it under the earth, etc) as well as maintaining transmission of lineages. Hindus were not, and subsequently had their stuff destroyed. This is in part due to the way caste under the british raj works. The british took advantage of that, leaving us with an extremely fractured hinduism. (portuguese and italians also helped in this process).The modern indian in the city is only getting about maybe......45 to 20 % of actual hinduism modernly. Westerners get on average about 12%. Shaivites are in a better off situation with a good 84% of authentic hinduism.
>>41081133you have answered all the questions I had so far. Thank you very much.Now I should just try to incorporate the advices you have given me and continue my practice.Blessings to you!
>>41081170No problem, wishing you many blessings bro.
>>41075206Thank you for the AMA anon.1) Is there anything you'd like us to know about your beliefs?2) I tend to read the esoteric/magical aspect of the Jewish religions, such as Sufism, Kabbalah etc.. Where do I start if I were to read about the Hindu religions? 3) Does Advaita Vedanta have any magical/esoteric aspect? This is the school I'm interested in the most. Tell me your thoughts about this school.4) Any supernatural encounter you can share with us that you've experienced?
OPif you can please guide meSo i visited a temple, it's an old temple there are like samadhis of 5 baba, it's near a Shamshan. I asked the baba living there about many things of spiritual nature. The temple is really small, inside there is a Shivling, and a stone carved murti of Maa.I asked about which Maa and he said anyone you want her to be. I asked for spiritual guidance like becoming my guru and he outright rejected it, though he did guide me a bit.He told me focus on the tip of your nose instead of third eye because it might be dangerous, tbrh i found it hard to focus on nose and I still prefer to focus on my third eye.Coming to the main question that I have, he told me to recite/do Maa Kunjikastotram, I had bought Maa Durga Saptashati a week before visiting him. But he told me to 1st do the Tatva Shuddhi using the mantras provided in the book, then the sankalp, then shapvimochan, then utkilan, mrit sanjivani and finally the whole shapvimochan using BramhaVashisthVishawamitra shlokas, after that to read the Maa Kunjika.When I asked about how would I know if the Tatvas are purified he said you'll know it.It's been three months I chant the tatva shudhi mantras few time then skip the sankalpa, do shap vimochan and everything as is written in book. But I'm not feeling any connection with Maa Kunjika. Can you please guide me further.Jai Mata di
>>41081242>1) Is there anything you'd like us to know about your beliefs?Nah>2) I tend to read the esoteric/magical aspect of the Jewish religions, such as Sufism, Kabbalah etc..>Where do I start if I were to read about the Hindu religions? Start with the vedas. Then move on to the Mahabharat, ramayana, bhagavad Gita. When you're done there, move to reading the upanishads. Thats where the "meat" of hinduism is. >3) Does Advaita Vedanta have any magical/esoteric aspect? This is the school I'm interested in the most. Tell me your thoughts about this school.Its a school, it exists, it's good. Simple as that. More complex answer; they are generally more authentic and organized than vaishnavas. But they are also extremely political in many cases, which hampers their ability to transmit dharma effectively. This makes them often enemies to other sects, both hindu and non hindu. As far as the esoteric aspect, just go learn tantric shaivism. Is that easy. That's the sweet spot. >4) Any supernatural encounter you can share with us that you've experienced?Had a vision of my deity, she told me I am selfish and she was right, I was being extremely selfish at the time.>>41081373> and a stone carved murti of Maa.I asked about which Maa and he said anyone you want her to be. Good baba right there.>I asked for spiritual guidance like becoming my guru and he outright rejected it, though he did guide me a bit.Good teachers will reject you at the first try normally. >He told me focus on the tip of your nose instead of third eye because it might be dangerous, tbrh i found it hard to focus on nose and I still prefer to focus on my third eye.Should've listened to him. Don't focus on your eye, focus on the tip of your nose or the upper lip area, where you feel the sensations of the breath the clearest. (CONT)
>>41081488>When I asked about how would I know if the Tatvas are purified he said you'll know it.He's right. (though there are signs, but most good teachers will not tell you before hand.)> It's been three months I chant the tatva shudhi mantras few time then skip the sankalpa, do shap vimochan and everything as is written in book. But I'm not feeling any connection with Maa Kunjika. Can you please guide me further.Listen to the teacher and do the practice properly. Do not skip the sankalpa. The practice is laid out the way it is for a reason. Secondly, you seem like the type to do this, so I will say it clearly; FOCUS PROPERLY ON THE MANTRA WHEN YOU DO IT. Do not pay attention to what is being said, what it means, or anything concerning the detail. Pay attention only the mantras sounds as you say them internally or externally. When you are distracted, be aware of the distraction, then return to the mantra. This is the exact same if you were doing the following of the breath or pranayama. You do not pay attention to the details, you follow the thing as it is pure and simple. ---Tell me more about what you do when you do the sadhana. How do you normally meditate. What does your practice experience look like. > Jai Mata di_/\_
>>41081531Thanks for the reply OP, doing gods work.Can you tell something about yourself, like how do you know so much about various religions? Also does having the wet dreams impact the kundalini awakening process?And last one how did you learn sanskrit? any practical guide for learning it online if you can please provide
>>41077458Kinda unrelated and not the anon you replied to but, what distinction do you make for gooning and master baiting?(or at least thats what i get from your post) cause to me theyre the same. And i do struggle with lust even if i dont indulge as much as i used toAlso, this one a bit more related, like one or two years ago someone posted a thread about some form of sadhana for the goddess being quite literally doing oral sex on a woman. Even posted a couple shlokas but he didnt answer when i asked the shastra they were from. Something about this sadhana bearing fruits quicker than the kalpa vrksha. I forget the sanskrit but it said about doing worship to the yoni. Offering it incense and other articles for adoration and uh, kissing and licking it... n-not that i want to do that, h-ha ha...
>>41075206What, in your opinion, are the plants used to concoct Soma?Our (European) myth mentions such elixirs and foods, but as the Vedas were written down by our shared ancestors, Hinduism have a better idea as to what it truly was.
>>41085644Not op but some acharyas have commentedThe plant is probably extint, at least on this earth. Rg veda speaks a lot about it but basically it is a creeper which grows fifteen leaves, one leaf per day, following the lunar cycle and also sheds one leaf a day the following fortnight. So if you find a creeper that fits that description... Surely there are other characteristics but thats all i have
>>410752061. dafug is up with feet in hinduism2. some of my indian coworkers think of hinduism as a unified thing with no concept of sects, which flies in the face of everything i've read. which is true and why am i getting this mixed information?
>>41075206There seems to be conflicting opinions wether Kali Yuga has already ended or is just starting to get into its main phase. Which is true?
>>41086220it is believed that the Kali Yuga has already started from the death of Lord Krishna and it has not yet ended and starting to get into its main phase.
>>41085202>Can you tell something about yourself, like how do you know so much about various religions?It's my job to know. If I know about the religions of the world, I know where I stand better. Also lets me give information better. >Also does having the wet dreams impact the kundalini awakening process?Very minimally, I wouldn't worry about it. What you wanna avoid is intentionally cooming.>And last one how did you learn sanskrit? any practical guide for learning it online if you can please provideLearn the consonants and the syllables. Then pick up a book like that one cambridge (i think?) put out on learning sanskrit. >>41085505>Kinda unrelated and not the anon you replied to but, what distinction do you make for gooning and master baiting?(or at least thats what i get from your post) cause to me theyre the same. And i do struggle with lust even if i dont indulge as much as i used toWesterners (and westernized indians) have a really really disturbed concept of sexuality. Masturbating is simple, it's not complicated. You get horny, you jack off and you coom. You're done. You don't sit there thinking oh man I wanna keep jerking off.Gooning is complicated and isn't even about being horny. It's about being an addict to sexuality (this is real lust). It has no end point in sight, you can goon for an hour, coom, then immediately start again. The sexual stimulation for gooning (sex or porn) gets more extreme. That's the difference. One is just an outlet for normal sexuality. The other is a perversion of sexuality to a destructive bent. I'm not answering your second area btw. There's some sex stuff, but almost none of you are ready for that sort of thing. Alot of you guys have very damaged libidos. I will say however, whatever he told you was likely false.
>>41086710>>41085644>What, in your opinion, are the plants used to concoct Soma?Uhhhh good question. We don't know anymore! People try to remake it using stuff like ephedra, cannabis, or some psychedelics. But it's not the same thing the pre-vedic tribals used. >Our (European) myth mentions such elixirs and foods, but as the Vedas were written down by our shared ancestors, Hinduism have a better idea as to what it truly was.What we know is that it was likely a kind of mild deliriant with health benefits.It's gone though. We simply do not remember what it was anymore. >>41085700>The plant is probably extint, at least on this earth. Rg veda speaks a lot about it but basically it is a creeper which grows fifteen leaves, one leaf per day, following the lunar cycle and also sheds one leaf a day the following fortnight. Likely a species similar to Datura, with gentler psychoactive effects. But like mentioned, is likely extinct. The effect of the sacred datura is different from the soma mentioned. This all said, soma in the vedas isn't about soma (anymore). The vedas took the sacred intoxicant and transformed the meaning of it to be about meditation. Is a secret message. This gets carried into the upanishads. >>41085860>1. dafug is up with feet in hinduismFeet are considered the dirtiest part of the body in asia. This is taking something profane, and making it sacred and pure. >2. some of my indian coworkers think of hinduism as a unified thing with no concept of sects, which flies in the face of everything i've read. which is true and why am i getting this mixed information?Hinduism absolutely is not a unified thing. There technically aren't sects as you would know them, and one hindu with a compltely different idea of the religion can walk into a different temple and everything would be fine. The confusion comes in because alot of political indians are trying to portray hinduism as a superior version of christianity. This is inaccurate (cont)
>>41086744Hinduism is a wide variety of traditions and interpretations on things. There's generally shared stuff that you can find with every hindu. A vaishnava (non reform) can worship the linga and nobody cares. He can also practice a local non-vedic tribal religion and nobody cares. The ancient's didn't need to make hard separations between one and the other. The most they differed was in "view" of what's happening. You could roll up to a completely different sampradaya (lineage) and nobody would have any problem. This is just how religion traditionally worked before christianity. Hinduism out of the attempted reforms of the state, work the same way. It's much healthier IMHO. >There seems to be conflicting opinions wether Kali Yuga has already ended or is just starting to get into its main phase. Which is true?It's pretty clear from the literature we are in the kali yug. Everything matches up. Some people are trying to say we aren't, but IMHO this is a political thing more than a religious. By insisting we aren't in the kali yug, governments and political gurus can assert that they are "saving the country" or "leading it to prosperity". The ravana burning ritual in india is meant to prepare the population to revolt against tyrants. If you're insisting everything is fine to an uneducated population, less likely to have people come pull you out of the building! The hindus, muslims, buddhists & christians did this to the sri lankan government. Ever since then, media blackout on the actual happening of the country. Same in myanmar.This is the same thing that has governments suppress yogic & tantric movements. >>41086250Yes.
>>41086250>>41086772Why is Saghuru saying that Kali Yuga has ended then? Is he a fraud?>https://youtu.be/RT8GrJW5PbM?feature=shared
>>41086809He's a political guru more than a legitimate one. Sometimes he says something very real, but he's not trustworthy overall. His actual purpose is to serve as the guru for the hindu government. His appeal is to more educated indians who prefer having a guru that speaks english. This lets the indian government funnel ignorant but more educated indians into supporting their idea of creating a hindu rashtra that isn't even hindu.
>>41075206Im a westerner, but there was a period of my life when, experiencing great difficulty and anguish, I started seeing Shiva as an agent to consult or an entity to employ for the purposes of bringing about change I wanted in my life. I wanted to see certain things destroyed, and I felt that Shiva was reaching out to me, or becoming a part of me to help me realize my wishes for destruction and renewal. My wishes actually came true a couple times, and it made me realize I had no business trying to assume the role of a god or even see a god as my "buddy". I could pray to Shiva, maybe I could feel his precense, but it felt wrong to ask him for favors or evoke his power for any specific reason. I must thank him for his doing, but not ask anything of him. That's the context. My question is, what do Shiva worshippers think/feel about situations like this? Are Shiva worshippers praying for their enemies to suffer? Or is that explicitly seen as a "sin"? Are there any specific prayers like "thank you for not destroying me" vs "thank you for destroying the things that are harming me"? Am I seeing this all with naive western eyes?
>>41075277The "most basic of morality" does not include not calling people niggers or not gooning. You are delusional.
OP did you recall the name of fat western guy who wrote a book on Kundalini? Was it Daniel Odier?
>>41085860>feethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yIoWxV3G5c
>>41086849>That's the context. My question is, what do Shiva worshippers think/feel about situations like this? The deity blesses you if you ask for it, or they bless you when they see fit. >Are Shiva worshippers praying for their enemies to suffer?Not generally, mostly they're praying for enlightenment or to be well. > Or is that explicitly seen as a "sin"? Is bad karma. You might get your prayer granted, but that's not a good thing if it happens. >Are there any specific prayers like "thank you for not destroying me" vs "thank you for destroying the things that are harming me"? Am I seeing this all with naive western eyes?I would say it's a bit naive, things aren't that simple. >>41087002Still cant remember it for the life of me.
>>41075206>moses >2. Judaic >3. Jewish >israel >jewsAlways.So you have jew mental diseaseWTF does this have to do with Hinduism?
>>41075206best stotram to activate siddhi ?
So hey, are you "not allowed" to practice any form of tantra if you still eat burgers n' steaks? Serious question btw. I know it's very sacred to them because of all "mata" cow provides for them. But I'm a total Angloid-American.
>>41085202>any practical guide for learning it online if you can please provideYears ago when i started learning it, some anon reccomended thomas egenes books on it. You can download the pdfs for free and the book is really accesible. I also found a channel on youtbe called advaita academy, it has thousands upon thousands of videos. A lot of playlists on learning sanskrit and sanskrit literature in general. Very advanced stuff but i reccomend starting with this teacherhttps://youtu.be/NQ6CLekQJO0?si=7R3mElrXy8NuZoYO
I want the siddhi of being able to see astral beings and hear them. What can I do to achieve this?
>>41075206How do I become a tantric wizard?
>>41090923That's his adopted brother Stewart Ramaswamy.
>>41091996>>41092000You know iskcon? Well theyre not it. But one of their charlatan gurus, jayapataka, initiated as his disciple some famous tantrik. Chiteshwar. They say to achieve his powers he trained under a witch, went to live in the jungle with her, and like bhasma asura, he ritualistically cut out pieces of his own flesh and offered them. Dont know all the details of this tapasya but chiteshwar came west and did all sorts of exorcisms on iskcon properties and devotees. Which they shouldnt need to but again iskcon gurus are frauds and... yeah they say the tantrik can drive ghosts out of people and he can hear their whispers with a conchshell. Why would you want that anyway?
>>41091682Thankyou anon. So did you succeed in learning Sanskrit?
Gonna be completely honest, I lost my trip. >>41092000Read the tantraloka and practice it. >>41090094Just read the tantraloka. >>41090923You can eat burgers and steaks if you practice tantra, but you gotta purify the meat into wisdom nectar. That said, some renunciation is good, so consider that down the line possibly. >>41091996Meditate real good, ask the deity for the blessing if you're doing bhakti meditation. >>41092680I dunno anything about this Chiteshwar story, but yes, ISKCON is largely a false organization. They're part of the whole politicization of hinduism in india and abroad. Them turning Gaudiya Vaishnava into what they have is very bad for the whole of hinduism. Again, lot of stuff is lost.
>“There are ways to lose your causal body other than Nirvikalpa Samadhi,but most ofthem are not so easy to come by. You know, even ifyou live in In¬dia for lifetimes on end, there are some things going on that you would neversuspect. You would never even dream about them unless you are meant tosee them. For instance, there is a place in India where every day three or fourchosen people bring a fresh corpse. They remove its clothing, wash it, andprepare it in certain other ways. Then they take it to a giant luminous figurewith long black matted locks and fixed, staring eyes which never blink. Hetakes the corpse’s head and cracks it open and eats part ofthe brain. Some¬times, depending on his intentions, he may eat other parts of the body aswell- By his consumption of the brain the dead person’s causal body getscompletely eradicated, which means that he or she never has to be bornagain. This being has to have one corpse every day, and where he gets themfrom is a mystery. To see it is truly horrifying, but I saw it, and survived.”Aghora 3 p 110-111Op any idea about what Vimlananda was talking about?
>>41094210Thank you. I've had dreams about Shaiva temples twice now, but I've always stayed away because of these things (I have autoimmune problems, so I basically eat a paleo diet).
I am Atman, therefore I am Brahman.The True Self is Consciousness.Isvara's Consciousness is My Consciousness.There is only One Self.
>>41075206Out of curiosity, has there ever been a school or thinker in Hindu philosophy that teaches a non cyclical universe, i.e., one that ends definitive?
>>41094210Thanks.
>>41075206Shiva-Kali, Tantrism (including Tantric Buddhism) is pure Satanism. I don't really believe in demons, but there is a special symbolism among pagan gods that coincides throughout the world, and it seems that Shiva is like Apollo (Rudra)/Baal, and Kali is Astarte and her analogues (Inanna, etc., the Babylonian harlot, in short), etc., the characteristic symbolism of this ubiquitous whore, which is found even among the Aztecs - severed heads and arms spread out like this |_| and sometimes a sickle in her hands, and of course a connection with specific sexual practices, in the temples of Inanna, etc., everyone was always castrated. Orgies, sacrifices, etc. were held.Fuck this shit
>>41097004Are you seriously just now seeing that these beings exist and have been known and worshipped since time immemorial in all cultures around the world?No, im not endorsing these practices. But just like some mexicans worship death or africans do their ancestral animism, indians have also worshipped the darkest aspects of this here material natureAnd God doesnt teach this. Even in so called "hinduism" God doesnt want us worshipping these dark thingsThey exist simply because this world exists. And why this world exists...?But you have the right idea. We must, hm, tamaso maa jyotir gamaya. Away from dark and into the light
>>41097084>Are you seriously just now seeing that these beings exist and have been known and worshipped since time immemorial in all cultures around the worldOf course, I knew about demons, angels, but in a generalized way, but having immersed myself in mythology, comparative mythology, as well as independent comparisons (marginal), I noticed a lot of intersections in the descriptions of various gods and coinciding symbolism, and also discovered that mythical creatures were often +- similarly described in the world, but from the point of view of their perception, it seems that people really saw them and some entities interacted with themBtw, it seems that Krishna-Vishnu can be hypothetically connected with Abrahamism.Some Greeks and Hindu scholars considered Krishna to be Hercules
>>41097234>It has been proposed that Megasthenes misheard the words "Hari-Krishna" as "Herakles". According to Upinder Singh, "Vāsudeva-Krishna was the Indian God bearing the closest resemblance to the Greek God Herakles"https://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2014/03/hercules-and-balarama-symbolic-and.html?m=1Although it is probably more correct to identify him with Apollo, both are cows, Apollo has the epithet Black (Etruscans. Suri)Hercules is similar to Balarama, Dionysus and Indra. They were often intoxicated with soma/wine, the symbol is a plow (like the Sumerian Ninurta, by the way, who was also identified with Hercules)>How invaluable such remnants of ancient race of Harikula! How refreshing to the mind yet to discover, amidst the ruins on the Yamuna, Hercules (Baldeva, god of strength) retaining his club and lion's hide, standing on his pedestal at Baldeo, and yet worshipped by Suraseni! This was the name (Baldeo) given to a large tract of country round >Mathura, or rather round Surpura, the ancient capital founded by Surasena, the grandfather of the Indian brother-deities, Krishna and Baldeva, Apollo and Hercules. The title would apply to either; though Baldeva has the attributes of 'god of strength'. Both are lords (es) of the race (kula) of Hari (Hari-kula-es), of which the Greeks might have made the compound Hercules. >Might not a colony after the Great War have migrated westward?”
>>41097312>Saṃkarṣaṇa has been compared to the Greek god Dionysos, son of Zeus, as both are associated with the plough and with wine, as well as a liking for wrestling and gourmet food.Arrian in his Indika, quoting Megasthenes, writes of Dyonisos in India:>About Dionysos he writes: "Dionysos, however, when he came and had conquered the people, founded cities and gave laws to these cities, and introduced the use of wine among Indians, as he had done among the Greeks, and taught them to sow the land, himself supplying seeds for the purpose (...) It is also said that Dionysos first yoked oxen to the plough, and made many of the Indians husbandmen instead of nomads, and furnished them with the implements of agriculture; and that the Indians worship the other gods, and Dionysos himself in particular, with cymbals and drums, because he so taught them; and he also taught them the satiric dance, or, as the Greeks call it, the Kordax and that he instructed the Indians to let their hair grow long in honor of the god, and to wear the turban">Arrian, Indika, Chapter VII.>Bacchanalian orgies>Early on, the belief of Smarkasana is associated with the abuse of wine, and the Bacchanalian features of the belief of Dionysus are also found in the belief of Saṃkarṣaṇa. The Mahabharata mentions the Bacchanalian orgies of Baladeva, another name of Smarkasana, and he is often depicted holding a cup in an inebriated state.
>>41097004Must be why I like Bhairava/Shiva so much hahahaha
>>41097316Who is arrian? Is it the same guy of the arrian christian heresy or is that a different guy?
>>41075206alyoo, thanks for the post. question, what sources of practical information about kundalini do you consider to be good and fruitful?
>>41077547Gonna be real. Did not see this until literally just now, Jai Sree Ram. > I want to escape the cycle of rebirth, but frankly I'm not convinced it's even possible.Normal for people in this Yuga. Especially westerners. It is infact possible, but it is simultaneously much easier and also much much harder. >So I guess my question is twofold: within hinduism, what is the official line for how knowledge of the canon came to be, and why were you personally drawn to it as the true description of the world? (Assuming you're not just a religious scholar with an interest in it.)Personal experience. You asked earlier how these descriptions could be so specific, the answer is simple. People literally saw these things. The deities arent (just) a metaphor for the actual practitioner, they are a quite literal reality. In the past, everybody was more or less on some level of mindfulness. Some to greater degree then the other. This function of mindfulness allows one to literally see mental realities that cannot be seen by a distracted mind. The ancient societies were designed to help this to the greatest extent possible. The destruction of the ages comes in with the decrease of mindfulness, which obscures truth through distracting the senses until they are totally numb. No mindfulness, no ability to see what is there already. The ancients didn't sit around wondering about things, they went out and experienced them directly here and now. They saw these deities quite literally. If you get real good at meditation or it's prerunner (mindfulness), you will as well. The sages were yogis who had these truths imparted to them directly during deep meditation. They tested these and when they found them to be accurate, they maintained them. > suspect you'll give is that that broader reality is actually accessible through meditation and practice and can be experienced firsthand, You were right. (cont)
>>41100695> but I still remain deeply skeptical of the human mind's ability to interpret its own experiences independent of its own preconceived notions. As were the yogis! They didn't just fart around on their own, when stuff came up they tested it's voracity relentlessly. If it was real, it lead to wanting less and not wanting more. If it was false, it distracted the mind. Not only that, but the results and truth of something could be tested and tried.If you put the effort in, you do get the result. This is the spiritual equivalent of good exercise. You don't have to be a scientist to see when it works and why or when it doesnt. We know what's real in meditation if it is replicable and if it leads to wanting less and not wanting more. If it leads to bliss and moksha reliably.>In other words, how can we be sure that the experiences of deep meditation are in fact what hinduism (or buddhism, for that matter) says they are, and not just a profound sensual experience contained wholly within the brain and body? (Again, I suspect the answer is again "you must see for yourself.")This is the issue with westerners, you have separated the brain and body into two distinct entities. But this is patently false, the brain and body are interdependent, they mutually influence eachother. Refer to earlier above in my reply to get a handle on what's happening. >I realize all religious practice hinges on some degree of faith, but I just can't seem to get past my initial skepticism. Especially in the case of hinduism / buddhism where essentially you must fully commit the rest of your life to it for it to mean anything. It could change my life and brain for the better without doing a damn thing for my immortal soul / atman.Faith in dharmic religions is absolutely not the same as faith you see in a westernized religion, that is a poisonous thorn you have got to remove from your psyche ASAP. (cont)
>>41100723Faith is meant to gladden the mind, not darken and restrict it. Faith in a dharmic religion is not ever ever ever taken on word alone, it is developed in tandem with the practice. Real faith is built up from seeing the practice works and has value. When we are new to the practice, we hold faith the same way we hold concepts like gravity. We don't have to "believe" in gravity to know it works, we don't have to understand gravity to know it works. Gravity just is. You can see the same thing come with your initial experience to meditation. Meditation is like gravity, it just is. Doubt is a hindrance to life in general, because it is a function of nihilism. It keeps you spinning your wheels and wondering about not only the voracity of religious practice, but everything else. It is doubt that keeps people buying funko pops and becoming disney adults. They doubt their own worth as much as they doubt everything else. Hold some skepticism, sure, but let go of the doubting aspect of it. Your faith will go from mundane (this is a function similar to gravity) to profound (enlightenment is possible) as you experiment and replicate the results on your own and see them work in action. All the better if you have a good guru or religious community, neither of which are corrupt ideally, that can help verify things.Hope you understand a bit better.
>>41094396I do have an idea of what he's talking about, but given the amount of LARP that occured while i was away, I don't wanna get into it. >>41098044Bhairava =/= satan. Kali =/= astarte.There is an ancient goddess in the middle east area thats similar to kali enough. But astarte is not her. Also, just gonna respond in this area and ignore the posts above yours, but traditionally no indian would ever be a eunuch for the goddess Kali. Theres yogic reasons for this. There are religious eunuchs in india, but they serve a different goddess.There's also a hermaphrodite god that is served by the eunuchs of india. >>41100259I posted about this earlier, check through the thread.
>>41100782>I posted about this earlierthe old hatha yoga comentaries and the new one by swami mukthabodhananda?
>>41100829https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41007695/#q41016546Read here through the reply chain
>>41100839Cool, will do. Thanks.
>>41096912No, it would completely go against the whole thing. Very few ancient religious cultures held onto a linear concept of time. They held there was linear elements to it, but straight up linear time is just kind of a stupid concept. It's not really compatable with the wisdom of the ancients. The concept of cyclical time has multiple facets to it that relate to1. Yoga2. Metaphysics 3. Politics. All three of these things intermingle in hinduism. Because time is cyclical, indians knew that no tyranny lasts forever. If it gets bad enough, they can revolt or GTFO. Both options work pretty much always. The myth of forward time and human progress being constant is part of why india is so shit now. Same thing with other countries having similar issues (if not worse). The population has largely bought into the meme of forward progress. That all said, I've seen some small time gurus try to push linear time modernly as a school of thought, but it never works well. You'd have to get rid of everything that makes hinduism a dharmic religion.
>>41100883Now beyond the yogic and metaphysical reasons to a rejection of linear time, we can focus for a moment on the political reason. I'll keep it simple- india is fucking huge. Even before it was a concrete singular country, it was big. The Indian method of building countries worked alot better than the roman and allowed for more social cohesion, this is part of why they owned some of greece. This worked through a patron-client federalization system. Different from the later roman military-state system (imperialism). This is all to say, before india was a singular state, it was multiple, and it was bigger back then than it is now. Because it was big and quite old, indians had been able to see just about every good and bad type of political happening come up. They saw how good political systems devolve into corrupt ones and how corrupt ones disintegrate. The importance of cyclical politics was so important they recorded it in the religion through the mahabharata. What this means is that indians knew first hand that none of this shit lasts forever. It always moves about in a cycle. States/cities/villages rise and then they fall. Some become corrupt, some stay good, some start corrupt and end good, some start corrupt and stay corrupt. But none of them stay forever, just like anything else in samsara. With knowledge of the cyclical nature of things, government could not ever hold absolute power over the people. Indians will tear apart the system if they found it lacking, either by force or just stopping participation all together. Governments rise and fall, moksha does not. Action is important. What you do in the cyclical world (samsara) matters, because one's actions can change events and lead to ones spiritual liberation.A concept of linear time completely flies in the face of this, and renders the individual feeling helpless and victim to the forces of the world. (cont)
>>41100782>I don't wanna get into it.Com'on OP, you're the 1st one I came across since idk how long I've been on this lovable shithole, who knows about hinduism. Just tell us what you think about the Vimlanand's adventure, bis comment about Thar desert and that dreadlocks hair figureAdding further questions, what do you think is the future of Hinduism, is it gonna get westernised and then forgotten or will meet it's end like that of Kashmiri Shaivaism. Also was it Shiva's will to kind of Yoink Shaivaism out of Kashmir, the persecution of Hindus over there being the final nail?
>>41100967Indians of the past would reject linear time not only because it would destroy dharmic religion, it would on the political level, leave indians no recourse to reject a corrupt or failing polity. ----Again, this is part of why modern india is as fucked as it is now. Western political concept of linear time and forward human progression have infected "educated" indian life. Alot of people claim belief in the yugas, but economically & politically they practice western consumerist-nihilism. You get all these faux acharya and guru who talk about how they're gonna make india into some eternally great false hindu empire. It's just stupid. We can see how much this has disturbed the ability to locate avatara or understanding yoga. How much it's part of the deep lack of education on how hinduism(s) actually work.
>>41077061For starters, both are derived from IAO.
>>41100986>Com'on OP, you're the 1st one I came across since idk how long I've been on this lovable shithole, who knows about hinduism. Tell you what, I gotta go to work. If the thread is still up by the time I'm home, I'll share my information.>Adding further questions, what do you think is the future of Hinduism, is it gonna get westernised and then forgotten or will meet it's end like that of Kashmiri Shaivaism. Already happened! Most indians (in the cities atleast, which is where many of them unfortunately are) have no idea what hinduism even is. They might be able to give you basic textual information or understand the 16 step puja, but most of them don't know shit about what any of it means. Almost none of them have read the Upanishads. They might listen to the astrologer on tv and pour oil on a Shani statue, but they don't understand any of it and 9 times out of 10 the astrologer is a fake one. Children in india used to learn sanskrit automatically as they grew up. They don't. They used to participate in the fire offering regularly - they don't. Most children don't even grow up in their hindu households - they get sent to missionary schools. Hinduism in india has already BEEN forgotten and is continuously being westernized. It's part of why hindu nationalism is doing so well. Lot of people are hindu on paper, but don't know what they actually are doing. Indians are aware of the fact they don't have even the most basic education on dharmic religions. They're trying to reverse the tide on that, but they're going about it a very poor way. It's gotten a little better modernly due to the Kashmir Shaivites, there's alot of children being reintroduced to actual hinduism again through Kashmir Shaivism. But it wont be for a few generations until we see ANY benefit from that. >Also was it Shiva's will to kind of Yoink Shaivaism out of Kashmir, the persecution of Hindus over there being the final nail?IMHO yes.
>>41075206I never understood what Raja Yoga is supposed to be and how its different compared to the other forms of yoga
>>41097316It seems that in reality there are two gods, as the Slavs also hadBelobog (white god/light god)Chernobog - dark/black god (I saw the study of Apollo Karneios/Karneia, where it is concluded that he can somehow be connected with Krishna, Kronos. Everything is connected with the root qrn/crn/krn, which is connected with horns in many languages, but in Sanskrit and Slavic languages it is connected with the color black. The Etruscan Apollo also has the epithet Calu - darkness, the main name Suri - black. Although Apollo is also similar to Rudra, Shiva and Odin)It is noteworthy that Balarama and Krishna have Bala/Baal in their names, which is connected with strength and hair, and Krishna is also called a black antelope (horned god?)I think that everything is really connected somehowhttps://archive.org/details/396241694-kris-kershaw-the-one-eyed-god-odin-and-the-indo-germanic_202111
https://ignca.gov.in/Asi_data/9566.pdf
>>41101180https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/rig-veda-english-translation/d/doc837168.htmlAnd I will still write what I wanted to say because it is cringe, but neverthelessIn the Vedas, Indra kills Krishna-Vishvarupa-Trishars. There are disputes about it, but there is an opinion that the Vedic Krishna is the same PuranicHercules can be identified with both Balarama and Indra (they were officially identified in ancient times), the Iranian Vahagn was also depicted with soma in his hands (Indra, Balarama are always intoxicated with soma/wine). So I think that this Vedic myth is fratricide and is associated with Osiris and Seth, the fight between Yam and Baal, no jokeEven take the Ugaritic Yam. He is Baal's brother (but Yam was also considered the sea).The Yamuna River where the battle takes place in the VedasYam UgariticYama VedicYmir ScandinavianYima-JamshidEverywhere it is Yam and the god of thunder is involved in the myth (the Scandinavians have Odin, similar to Rudra)There is some very important myth, but it is confused, I think.A dragon is always associated with this myth. After the murder of Trishars, Vritra appears, this same Mot, Lotanu, Vritra, Labbu (and in the Sumerian myth 1 in 1 as in the Vedas. The god Demiurge Enlil, similar to Tvashtr, creates a dragon that attacks people and is killed by the god of thunder)some conflict, some mega battle, I am trying to decipher it, because everyone told about it but it is confused. maybe it's just a clash of nations, I don't know(and just Balarama. Literally in the name there is Bel and Bala is associated with power, but in Semitic it means master)
>>41101230Vritra = Typhon
I have a little statue of Kali I received a while back during my visit to India. She usually just stays in my wallet where I totally forget about the whole thing.I kinda want to start doing some sort of ritual with it. Something I can do daily to sort of ground me?I want to dedicate my life to her I think (but really, to the more abstract idea of the divine feminine). Any suggestions?
>>41096912there was one text where shiva says, I will be without prakriti (the universe) in the end so that implies a definite end to the universe
>>41096912>>41101366pretty sure it was skanda purann but i need to find the verse
>>41100839I can't visualise a red fire or a triangle, I'm trying my hardest and all I can feel is breath going inside my stomach and coming out, please help. What to visualise when you hold the breath and what should the ingoing breath should be visualised as.... as a piece of rock dropping on the surface of red fire or as a river of fuel pouring in the fire? the triangle, should it be imagined flat in the blue tube or is it inverted with its base in the tube rest out and where is the fire. PLEASE HELP, I'VE NO CREATIVE SENSE
>>41075206with the kundalini method you shared, how long does it usually take to fully activate it?
Wow, people have turned really stupid in this era. Im gonna ignore about 90% of what happened earlier here while I was gone. But I'll say a few things;1. The Asura in the Rigveda is not the same as Kṛṣṇa Deva. Kṛṣṇa is just a word that means "black" or "blue". This is like saying Jim from the office is the same as Jim from batman. 2. Kṛṣṇa is not called a black antelope. However he has a vehicle (vahana) which is the Black Antelope. Vehicles are not the animal though, they're more symbolic. >>>41101111Raja yoga is just a new interpretation on old school yoga. Read Patanjali's Yoga Sutras and things should clear up. >>41101301>. Any suggestions?That's actually a great thing to carry around. Here's my suggestions; Use the statue to do on the go Bhakti with her wherever you can. Offer your food to the deity, bow infront of it, bathe it in clean water with flowers inside. Simple things like that do alot for you, but do them all mindfully.When you can, sit down, put the image on a raised platform, stare at it until it's burned into your memory, then meditate on the memory of the image and imagine that the image is the actual god. Do this reciting one of her mantras. When she's in your wallet, try to recite one of her mantras all day long whenever you get the chance. Use it to ground yourself- distracted during the day? Take a break to recite the mantra and focus totally on it for a moment, then get back to your task. Simple. >>41101037Holding up my end of the bargain here. The thing with the dreadlocks is a kind of yogic phenomenon. The author put alot of "Blinds" in his book to keep away people. It's about 90% correct (THE BOOK as a whole). This is a normal phenomenon, but bringing it about relies on a kind of meditation that does not produce Nirvikalpa samadhi. Again, normal phenomenon for people "plugged in" to religion. Weird shit like this and far more wondrous things happen all the time.
>>41102302As the author said, things you wouldn't imagine happen in india all the time. As much as hinduism largely doesn't "happen" there anymore, the serious yogis are still about in the wilderness in seclusion, up to interesting things. When you get real good at religion, neat stuff happens. Very very strange things, of all sorts of colours and interests. Someone quite good at bhakti, his proof of work is that he will literally see the deity at some point, amongst many other things, the blessings are of wonderful order. That's about all I wanna say on that though. Getting into the specifics of the entity described, is not appropriate at this time or in this place. Too many LARPERS in the thread already. >>41101457why are you reading AI to understand dharma??? AI does not and will not understand dharma. The AI has given you disastrously wrong information. This has nothing to do with the end of the cosmic cycle as a whole, this is about Moksha. Shiva is being made equivalent to absolute liberation from the cycle as a whole. This is why he is shown as being blue or black. So stupid. Stop asking machines for information, machines are a large part of why you people are in the mess you are now. >>41101490You're trying to imagine it. Don't do that. Ever read a book? Know how when you read a book, you aren't actually "picturing" anything, but you can get a feeling of what's being described? There you go. Visualization has nothing to do with imagining. It's closer to the function of "remembering" than it is "imagining". If you can remember what an apple looks like or tastes like, you can imagine a red fire or triangle. As far as what to visualize, I already described this in quite explicit detail. You are overcomplicating things alot. Just visualize that the breath when it's held is making the fire at the navel area grow brighter, hotter & more blissful. Increasing in size until it reaches the crown chakra. Dont overcomplicate things. Goodness.
>>41102346>you can imagine*You can visualize. >>41101774Just do the practice and you'll get the result. It doesn't take that long most of the time.
>>41102346>>41102361the kundalini method you described has normal exhale, while in Tummo you exhale with your lips like you are whistling. which is better?
>>41102460Ehhh? Not all tummo has you exhale through your mouth like that. Maybe in some mahamudra exercises.. where are you guys getting your information from?Either or is fine. I recommend normal exhale through the nose. It's simple and easy.
Hindus could combine the practices of yoga, meditation with Christianity by the way and some ideas of Shaivism (cruel asceticism, seclusion, etc., but without sex and tantra)Catholicism and Orthodoxy with their relics (pieces of holy people) skulls sometimes remind me of ShaivismAnd there is an interesting point, this is just how the translator translates it, but nevertheless, it is connected with the Tamil languagehttps://aarkaytamil.blogspot.com/2014/09/blog-post_26.htmlta.wikipedia.org/wiki/சேயோன்translates literally as Zion(Sion)Translates as Jesusta.wiktionary.org/wiki/ஈசன்en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ஈசன்
>>41102489thx
>>41102508Other way around.Also on the note of cruel asceticism, is not cruel saar.>Catholicism and Orthodoxy with their relics (pieces of holy people) skulls sometimes remind me of ShaivismRemnants from when christianity was a more functional religion.>https://aarkaytamil.blogspot.com/2014/09/blog-post_26.htmlAuthor is completely wrong about the word. This doesn't translate as zion. It translates to english as Seyon. Seyon does have a meaning for redness. But this is because the god is a war god. It also means youthful.The word translates not as zion but as seyon. Seyon is one of the names of Murugan, the god of war and patron of tamil. He is explicitly the son of shiva and not shiva as the author indicates.Whoever is giving you this information is misleading you severely. The secondary name here (easan/ican/isan/isha) is a name of Siva, not jesus. The tamil word for jesus is Iyeshu.
>>41102508orthodox christianity is the only acceptable form of christianity
>>41102346>why are you reading AI to understand dharma??? AI does not and will not understand dharma.>The AI has given you disastrously wrong information. This has nothing to do with the end of the cosmic cycle as a whole, this is about Moksha.>Shiva is being made equivalent to absolute liberation from the cycle as a whole. This is why he is shown as being blue or black.>So stupid. Stop asking machines for information, machines are a large part of why you people are in the mess you are now.our sri guru says to use AI for superconsciousnesshe said if you are integrated into superconsciousness then AI will be a great boon for youanyway, I was only using it to get the quote I couldnt find
