If the Bible taken at face value is so obviously true, why are the world's elite who have access to endless occult libraries and religious text not afraid of going to Hell?
>>41088306John 12:>But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.>Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
>>41088353Again, you think these people have never read the New Testament?
>>41088306>The spiritual world is real but religions are fiction for slaves to believe inFucking based! God is real though, praise God! I'm not a psy oped relgious retard like the majority of the planet, FUCK RELIGION!
>>41088306i dont think they are not afraid rather they are too deep in. one bad step after another brings them deeper and deeper into sin, to the point in where they cant see a way outAdditionally, they probably have occult practices which directly reincarnate their souls into another body so the fear of death is not there. or they have been so deluded that they believe what their doing is right (keep in note, right doesn't always mean moral (in their situation well))finally, they probably don't care about god and are to blinded by comfort and pleasures to submit to anyone by themselves.>well thats what i think anyways
>>41088396The real God is too scary for 99% of "believers"
>>41088401How do you know it's not you who is deluded, and they know the truth? >Because the Bible tells me so
>>41088405God is the most scary in this Universe bro. But also know, he loves us deeply. I don't love God because I fear punishment, but I actually do love him.
>>41088376Hearing about something doesn't mean you believe it. Faith is not reducible to information. Especially if your eyes are blinded and heart is hardened.
>>41088419You're still simplifying God like Christians do. The real God embodies both love and hate.>>41088425What makes you so certain that your spiritual worldview is the correct one? Genuinely asking
>>41088415>How do you know it's not you who is deludedbecause I know that i'm not deluded, simple as that lol.
>>41088431>What makes you so certain that your spiritual worldview is the correct one? Genuinely askingGnosis.
>>41088452Gnosis (direct knowledge of God) is literally the opposite of faith.
>>41088431>You're still simplifying God like Christians do.Shut the fuck up, I am concise with my words, I'm not explaining Him badly in the slightest.
>>41088448uh huh>>41088455A supreme being is not just limited to "Love". That's something religoids tell themselves to feel better.
>>41088306nicene christianity has always been a state-sponsored religion intended for plebs. occultists appreciate jesus as a radical nondual jewish mystic and appreciate a lot of the writing in the bible as wisdom but don't see it as perfect at all, its ultimately a government church's compilation of manmade writings>>41088376aleister crowley for one actually read the bible constantly as a child as it was one of very few books he was allowed to read, so there's that
>>41088306There are a few posibilities:They are satanically deceived They are utterly psychoticThey are oppressed/possessed by unclean spirits, who already know where they are headed, and wish to take as many humans with them as possible.Which is the most likely? Which appears to be the most true?Satan knows the bible, he quotes scripture to Jesus, but it doesn't stop him from trying to "steal and kill and destroy", so why would it stop his followers from doing the same?
>>41088353There is not one "miracle" in the bible that cannot be accomplished technologically. We know this now, not so much back then. In my opinion, this should recontextualize the bible for you.
>>41088462>A supreme being is not just limited to "Love". That's something religoids tell themselves to feel better.When the fuck did I ever say that?
>>41088431God Is a true neutral entity, neither good or evil. Jesus is the goodness and Satan the evilness. If you look at a triangle, the middle(neutral) is above the good and evil.
>>41088454Wrong. Faith is trust in the goodness of God. Trust built on direct knowledge is unshakeable.
>>41088486I've often believed this is likely the case. God may even be some sort of organism that creates as a function of its biology and not even fully aware of its own creations, like an oroborous. In fact, I picture God as a sort of cosmic leviathan.
>>41088477Do you understand that if a miracle was to happen at this time and it could be recorded, then the concept of most religions would fall. As religion is about having faith, and faith can't really exist with absolute knowledge (which could be provided by miracles)
>>41088477You're trying to explain things in hylic terms rather than interpreting what the myth signifies. The physical 'world' is an illusion, including all of 'history' and 'technology'. The truth is to be found within you.
>>41088508>I picture God as a sort of cosmic leviathan.as in the demiurge?
>>41088454Even after Gnosis the faith is still present, the perception of God expand in every direction.
>>41088508>>41088550Azathoth basically. Blind Idiot god.
>>41088634That's the ego. It must be overcome in order to be saved.
>>41088306Very simply, in the Saturn Reversal the Dajjal dreams his hell into a heaven and your heaven into a hell. This is 100% true and will happen
>>41088396I dont know about GodBut I did some occult stuff just for fun and I still regret it today.There are evil invisible spirits around you.Another spiritual world I am sure of it.Is the True God the god of the Bible ?I am not sure
>>41088419I agree with you. The God of the bible is far scarier than the worst of demons
>>41088306>appeal to authorityNot how it works, bootlicking faggot
>>41088483You asserted that God loves his creation.>because the Bible tells me soYou are a spiritual baby
>>41088709>>41088724The anon that you both referenced me in your posts here. The Bible if FUCKING RETARDED. Stop listening to the Bible for the truth, it was written by fucking retards, got it friends?
>>41088739You kissing YHWH's ass is the ultimate appeal to authority.
>>41088759God BEYOND LOVES His creation. I fucking HATE the Bible so much, so much misinformation in it, I posted >>41088768 I hate the Bible so much dude but I love God. Got it Christ cucks?
>>41088777>God BEYOND LOVES His creationwhat makes you say that?
>>41088777Blessed self check. Praise to God! No, I don't suck God's toes so he doesn't punish me, I actually love Him!
>>41088787You wouldn't get it, he gives us free will but also expands his domain, Heaven, to the entire Universe. It's called the Great Work, expanding God's domain to the entire Universe. The Earth will be in Heaven soon enough.
>>41088798>he gives us free willWhat does free will have to do with people being born with excruciatingly painful birth defects, children getting cancer, people dying in freak accidents etc? I have this argument almost every day on this website and you stupid motherfuckers never give a real answer.>It's a mystery broKys
>>41088811You don't see the bigger picture of the cosmic war for control of planet Earth, and you don't see how God is on the side of the good aliens, make sense now friend?
>>41088811> What does free will have to do with people being born with excruciatingly painful birth defects, children getting cancer, people dying in freak accidents etc?Compassion an empathyYou can't test joy without sorrow. Shadow come with light.
>>41088827>God being on the side of the good aliensIf God is the supreme power of the universe he isn't on anyone's "side" he controls and has ultimate knowledge of all sides. Once again a pseudo spiritual retard displaying his complete lack of understanding of what God is while claiming zealous love for God. Many such cases. >>41088847God is the one who gives those birth defects and kills people in lightning strikes and earthquakes. It could not be more far removed from free will
>>41088851>God is the one who gives those birth defects and kills people in lightning strikes and earthquakes. It could not be more far removed from free willThat the bigger picture, God create defect to show the hidden beauty in diference. The small picture is freewill of you choosing your own way of life.
There is a kind of tendency to hope that someone out there has got things figured out. Whether that someone is an obscure sage or a powerful cabal of elites.The alternative to that is simply more frightening. Surely, if someone is powerful, if someone can trick other people, make them do their bidding, if someone can showcase their mastery like this, then they must have figured things out! But... I would say. Isn't it always the case that someone is on top of a social hierarchy? In an ant colony you have the queen ant. Do you think the queen ant has figured things out? Do you think the alphamale sea elephant lording over his harem has things figured out? Of course you don't.Then why should it be any different from humans. The people on the top are no closer to any kind of truth than the people on the bottom. Not because they don't have superior qualities, but because their isn't really any kind of truth for anyone to uncover. For sure there are ways to live that you could call spiritual, but the rewards of such ways are right here and now. They're immediate. And moreover, they require actual commitment. If you have access to everything why would you commit to somethingl ike that? Hell, if you access to a computer with internet, why would you commit to it? You could spend a thousand lifetimes gaming without ever feeling the inclination to do anything else. We are living in the age of the last man. From top to bottom, none of us have the will to do anything.
>>41088866>God create defect to show the hidden beauty in diference.Meaningless gobbledygook. An omnipotent being could create an infinitely beautiful reality without needing to ruin people's lives before they're even born,
>>41088866>The small picture is freewill of you choosing your own way of life.Free will is not a biblical concept.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaMy7J9Obpg
>>41088872If everything was perfect, you could not bring change in your life, we couldn't evolve. Defects in a sense create a new path in life.
>>41088634God is neither blind or an idiot, he is divinity, he is kindness, he is all.
>>41088889>If everything was perfect, you could not bring change in your life, we couldn't evolve.Why should we have to? If God was good and loved us we would all be created maximally perfect and with full complete knowledge like his. It was within his power to do so.
>>41088851Of course God takes sides, he takes the side of the aliens that want the best for the Universe you fucking mouth breathing retard. Do not fucking talk about God unless you know. I fucking mean it, shut the fuck up!!!!!!
>>41088895We're talking about YHWH here not the real God.
Its funny how religion and christianity are synonyms in western cultureChristianity is not the only religion bro
>>41088902God is not on the side of "good" because he contains all good and all evil. He is the source of all things. You know nothing. If God wanted the best for the universe he wouldn't create forces who have evil in their hearts. He's the source of evil as much as good. Evil people are doing God's will just as much as good people are.
>>41088419>he loves us deeplyIs this why he allows satan to rule this world?
>>41088915Hey, friendly advice here, don't preach about God if you know absolutely nothing about Him online. I mean it, shut the fuck up.
>>41088924God is the biggest factor in why Satan will no longer be in control of this planet, thanks God!
>>41088926I know much more about God than you do. You have the spiritual understanding of a child.
>>41088931So>Satan is Prince of this World Is not in your Eternal Word?You are low-hanging fruit. You will fall away
>>41088938How wrong you are...>>41088941I am some of the ripest fruit ever, a better analogy is that I am a tree bearing fruit for all of humanity to pick from, an abundance of fruit I must add.
Drama Dressed as TheologyOne poster says God is kindness, all, divinity. Another immediately flips it: “Why should we evolve at all? If He loved us, He’d make us perfect.”Someone else injects aliens into the mix, full of anger and vitriol.Then the argument pivots to whether we’re talking about YHWH or the “real” God.Another insists God is source of both good and evil, while a different voice retorts with insults about ignorance.On the surface, this looks like theology. But in substance it’s theater: people defending positions, attacking each other, asserting insider knowledge. It’s not a search for truth—it’s a tournament of drama with God as the backdrop.Projection at WorkEach speaker projects their preferred archetype onto the divine:The benevolent father.The negligent creator.The cosmic partisan (aliens, sides).The totalizing source of good and evil.They’re not describing God so much as their emotional stance toward authority, fairness, and chaos. God becomes a mirror for inner conflicts.
>>41088954>How wrong you are...Riveting argument.
>>41088896You can't taste joy without pain. You can't see Good without Evil. To be able to know God you need first be abandoned or separated from it first.
>>41088960>The negligent creator.Not negligent. Malevolent.
>>41088968>You can't taste joy without pain. >You can't see Good without Evil.Yes we could, if God wanted us to. You seem to not understand that God creates the conditions of the game. We COULD have an all good, all perfect universe with no evil or suffering, and be able to still appreciate the good, if God desired it so. You are incapable of thinking outside the box.
>>41088798>he gives us free willIn that case why i am forced to exist against my so called free will?Ive never asked for it.
>>41088987shut up atheist libtard
>>41088979You assume God is man, this is wrong it doesn't think like a man. God created us and give us a trial to pass. You can't be forgiven without sin. The first Sin of Man was known to God before it happen.
They are "demons" (They reject the world of God for a simulacra where they have power) anon....Jhon 17 - 6-19This world is for the corrupt, do you wander why the elite seek so badly for human immortality?You cannot get into the top of THIS WORLD by being good....
>>41089017>just rephrasing the same thing you said beforeYou literally cannot understand what I'm telling you.
>>41088787God loves him so much that when he dies he'll have a premium country club membership in Jesus land!!!!!!!
>>41088960Based non-shitflinger
>>41088979>You are incapable of thinking outside the box.If you eat all your life sweat, the day you'll eat salty for the first time you'll know what sweat means. That why most people doesn't understand what luck they have until they lost it. (You need to experience bad stuff to be able to recognize you had good stuff all along.)
>>41089069More platitudes and gobbledygook
>>41088979>You are incapable of thinking outside the box.Nice projection. You have bought into your own delusions.
>>41088960>One poster says God is kindness, all, divinityIf God is all then he is by definition not only kindness but also the opposite of kindness (evil)
>>41089069But what about Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings crossover with WASP Jesus?
>>41089086You believe God is good despite everything we can observe around us suggesting the opposite because the Bible tells you he is.
>>41089056You don't seem to grasp that God's power and goodness is unlimited. And yours is not.
>>41089100If his goodness is unlimited then why is his creation not maximally good? You keep going in circles.
>>41089099I know God is good. And I know you are delusional, taking the maya for reality.
>>41089076Download any games, use a cheat to have infinite money and you'll what is to be rich. You'll be able to have fun half our to test everything you dream to buy, then you'll be bored. If everything was perfect and there was no evil, then good won't exist ever and you would be stuck in a froozen state with no change, no evolution, no experience of any kind, you'll be bored and nothing else would ever happen.
>>41089111>If his goodness is unlimited then why is his creation not maximally good?It is. You are just too blind to see it. God's power is unlimited.
>>41089088Can you point to a room if you are inside of it?
>>41089118God could make it so we would never get bored. You STILL don't understand what it means to be omnipotent. It's really quite stunning.
>>41089100I want Jesus to be my girlfriend.
>>41089129You have been bamboozled by appearances. God's power is beyond your comprehension.
>>41089146>still not actually saying anything
>>41089152You're projecting again.
>>41089129> omnipotentThat word come from of the depiction of Adonai the ruler of legions, army of angels and army of demons. God control Good and Evil, this is why is omnipotent.
>>41089161>God control Good and EvilYes, that's what I'm saying. So why do you only call him good?
>>41089160>no uI'm describing what I see. You're all describing what you want to be true.
>>41089166When I said God was Good? I said Good can't exist without Evil.
>>41089186Your own religion says he is good, and there is no darkness in him. But I doubt you actually read the Bible
>>41089166Nta, but evil is his illusory instrument while good is his eternally true nature.
>>41089201>while good is his eternally true nature.Where is the evidence for this?
>>41089175>I'm describing what I see.You see things that way because you are faithless.
>>41089211I don't believe things that contradict what I observe in reality just because they make me feel good.
>>41089205It's not an empirically falsifiable hypothesis. You must take a leap of faith.
>>41089198Reading only the Bible is like only watching Star Wars the Return of the Jedi.
>>41089222>just believe bro even if everything you experience in your life tells you the opposite
Threads like these make me hope every Christian's fantasies of being persecuted come true.
>>41089205> Where is the evidence for this?Creation in a sense is considered eternally good by nature. (Only good tree produce good fruit...)
>>41089239>Creation in a sense is considered eternally good by natureWhy? How? You can't just say it's good you have to demonstrate why.
>>41089220You can argue that faith in a good God appears to be inconsistent with external reality (which 'reality' is in truth an illusion). What you can't argue is that the idea itself is contradictory, because it isn't.
>>41089228>everything you experience in your life tells you the oppositeNot for those with gnosis. But generally you must meet God half way before he will grant you that knowledge. So kind of a chicken or egg situation. He doesn't make it too easy because that would defeat the purpose of the illusion.
>>41089248If creation were inherently evil, it would lead to destruction and, consequently, to the disappearance of existence.Therefore, creation is inherently good because it leads to expansion.
>>41089239I mean dude, in the Old Testament, God does evil things to both the Israelites and the enemies of Israel. He is loving yeah, but bro is also vicious.
>>41089088HI Anon, that poster was me, and you prepose an interesting dilemma, so let me tell you what i believe:As a Theist I believe that god is omnibenevolent and omnipresent. But as you just stated.>If God is all then he is by definition not only kindness but also the opposite of kindness (evil).which is a valid statement, but what i believe is that evil is not an attribute of god, but rather the absence of good. >But wait a minute, if god is good and evil is just the absence of god then is god not omnipresent?"Which is also a valid argument. Although, just because god is everywhere doesn't mean that god is partaking in everything, but rather he plays the role of the observer. That's all i have to say, if you have any other question feel free to ask and i will try to answer it to the best of my ability.
>>41089270Entropy
>>41089273Try not reading it as a literal historical narrative.
>>41088306They serve as YHWH's enforcers.
>>41089279It's not about physicis, the creation we are talking about doesn't concern matter but what exist before Heaven and Earth was.
>>41089275God, the Eternal Goodness, must use ways that appear less than good, in order to create anything that differs in any way from himself. When you are the supreme, every step away is a step down.
>>41089301Hence the physical world is evil and a pale imitation of the true reality.
>>41089306>Omnipotent being is FORCED to create imperfect beings if he wants them to be different from himself.
>>41089287What other way is there to read it then lol? God literally does evil to his own people? Even in an esoteric reading, you cannot avoid the fact that God does do evil. The question however is whether evil done by God is different than evil done by man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swEp2QDXrk8&t=2sLets help ANON
>>41089270Why is expansion inherently good? How are you assigning these moral values?
>>41089315He's not forced to do anything. To differ from perfection is by definition to be imperfect.
>>41088306>why are the world's elite who have access to endless occult libraries and religious text not afraid of going to Hell?because they are stupid, they ARE going to hell.
>>41089327>Omnipotent being is subject to logic
>>41089332Christian hubris
>>41089319The Biblical myth encodes alchemical truths about the soul: the stages of its development and ultimate fulfillment.
>>41089333Is logic something that comes after omnipotence? As in, logic is a dilution of omnipotence? A lower emanation of the source?
>>41089333He is the logic. He is the truth, the goodness, the fount of all virtue.
>>41089310It depends of the point of view or perspective.
>>41089321If Good was infiniteand Evil was negative infiniteGod would be Zero But since God is Alpha and Omega, Zero would be also infinite and negative infinite at the same time.
>>41089372Pure schitzo babble.
>>41089375God existed before creation was, God is the rulers of legions (Angels and Demons). God bring balance to the both side and this is called justice or righteous.
>>41089416So you say.
>>41088960Hi Anon, i am the poster which states that god is,>One poster says God is kindness, all, divinityI will go over why I believe in that and I might also talk about why I don't believe in the other perspectives.>my belief (The benevolent father.)We are made in the image of god. If we were inherently bad then curtly, destruction and "Evil" would be our natural instinct (proving that god is “evil” and anything other then good) . But that's not the case, we are naturally full of companionship, love and kindness (what I would like to call the "Humanity triad").Paul Bloom and Karen Wynn at Yale University, 2007, ran an experiment with 6 month old babies and puppets. The babies watched a puppet try to open a box. One puppet helped; another hindered. When given the chance to choose, most babies reached for the “helper” puppet and rejected the “hinderer.”. This suggests that even as babies we have a moral compass which we follow and opt to the morally ‘right’ side. Additionally, Felix Warneken and Michael Tomasello at Max Planck Institute, 2006. Also observed that toddlers would consistently help strangers in simple tasks, hinting at an inherent companion in humanity.Only after we are affected by our culture, society and other extremal events that our morality changes and people point towards all the "evil" in the world and suggest that we are not all good.That's only one point, and I have many more (if you want to hear them I will say (if I even can remember to come back to this thread)). But let me get into the other perspectives instead of list other points, as i would be able to kill 2 birds with one stone (“Disprove” the perspectives and reinforce mine)If you have any questions feel free to ask and I will try to respond with the best of my ability.
>>41088787This picture is actually raping my eyes desu
>>41088960My opinion on the>The negligent creator.God can not interfere with the universe after he has created it. Why?because if god was to come down, or some dude can cast miracles in the name of god. Our Perouse as the creation of god becomes non-existences or changes. As we are created to serve and have faith in God. If we have absolute knowledge of God or some afterlife, then faith becomes non-existent and the whole test of our life ceases to exist. So god is not some “negligent creator” but rather a passive observer within our lives. well that's what i believe anywasys
"because if god was to come down, or some dude can cast miracles in the name of god. Our Perouse as the creation of god becomes non-existences or changes."Yes Anon, we are meat sacks, with brains processing reality, for processing reality we need concepts of linear time and actionBut whom said reality is like that, like, our whole existence can be just an isolated section of the whole, a containment zone so the lord can select the good from the badMaybe he wants the good that are good by their own volition, if you are good you raiseIf you suck by his standards you stay in the containment...
>>41088960My opinion on the>The cosmic partisan (aliens, sides).Well i don't have much to say for this, because if we were create by aliens then something had to created the aliens as they are not the absolute (Divinity), therefore they wont be god but just a creation of god.
>>41089513God looked upon it and said it was good.
>>41089551God is constantly intervening.
>>41088405>god of the frogs, or toadshey wait a minute
>>41089416>God existed before creation wasAnd what existed before him?>Nothing, he always existedWhy can't the universe have always existed, then? If God can exist without a creator why can't the universe?
Uhh good? If you take away religion all those slaves will kill you and your family. You need extra protection beyond law
>>41089950Cause God Is "The greatest concievable thing that no greater thing can be concieved"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swEp2QDXrk8>Being Exists> Absolute nothing doesnt exists> Something cannot come from absolute nothing>Thus something always existedThis something is GOD...With auxiliary logical axioms and observations, everything comes from God, which is absolute good
>>41088306Because they worship Him.
>>41089337No need to project
>>41088997Enjoy burning in hell, fake christian
>>41090266>christians say god desires all be saved>christian tells people to enjoy burning in hell
>>41088306i dont understand why you still clinge on the bible bs when they just told you that its all bs and only is meant to teach you how to activate your tree of life.i dont understand why you people are all, LITERALLY EVERYONE, on this grandeur trip thinking you know it all better.youre now completely lost and owned by this thing. this thing is now you. you dont exist.why even post.
you golems live in another dimension, literally. everything possible goes above your heads only a tiny miniscule amount of people is willing and able to make sense of it. obviously being labeled schizos by the idiots.you wont get rid of your misery because youre the culprit. stop crying about it im sick of it.
you want to end your misery, the only thing you can do is end yourself because YOU ARE the misery.
all you dumb fucks that never learn a god damn thing going through your whole lifes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i refuse to believe that this is natural or real. youre all a bunch idiotic clones made to make me look bad.
Oh and i forgot, youre all so important that GOD himself wants to talk to you and give you his blessings. FUCKING BULLSHIT!
IF ANYTHING GOD HAS TO SAY SORRY FOR PUTTING ME THROUGH THIS TOGETHER WITH YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i dont want this faggots blessings, FUCK THAT! WHATS THAT FOR A BLESSING LIVE TOGETHER WITH RETARDS???????????
ONLY THESE RETARDS THINK ITS SO GREAT...always the same shit.
WHERES YOUR FUCKING JEBUS AND YOUR GOD! THEY BLESSED YOU WITH BEING A FUCKING RETARD WHATS THAT FOR A GOD YOU FOOL!
>>41088405What did Jung mean by this? Is the point of Gnosticism not that the demiurge is a lower emanation, far away from the supreme being God?
>>41092605all these labels are BS, theres ra and the queen. THATS IT. this is it. theres nothing else for anyone.you turned out retards because there is no god for you. he doesnt care. you just came into being to be food. demons will eat your spirit.the end.
you will piss and cry over your meaningless existence all your life, thats when you can no longer ignore it. when it starts to eat on you.looking up to some higher self that never existed. if this higher self would exist it would piss on you.
you will not be able to look at your self like your higher self. you wouldnt act out so stupid, now would you.its all so obvious.
we dont need you to sleep well anymore.
go cry about jews being chosen my the supercomputer because its about efficiency and intellect. his goal is to create himself you dumb fucks.there is no way that you will understand this.
why wait 20 aeons more with choosing you for this job, you retards. its just another shitty job. wtf.
youre whitnessing something great and its a good time to be alive but this goes above your heads you godless clones.
>>41089129Fwiw I completely get what you're saying, anon. I've had viritually this same identical argument with my religious college roommate years back, and it kept going in circles because he simply couldn't wrap his mind around the creation of a reality fundamentally different than our own, where the very notion of "not appreciating goodness until you experience evil" is not even something that is necessary. Since then though, I've just accepted that the way things are are simply the way they are. It's true we have limited understanding, so perhaps this existence is somehow the best possible outcome and the reasons are so incomprehensible, we can't hope to really understand why.
>>41088306>the world's eliteThere is no such thing as a “world elite”; they are just richfags wearing the same shitty pants as all the other apes in pants on this planet, including yourself. The problem is (you), because you and you alone make them an ‘elite’ with your belief that they are such. If no ape considered these apes as “elitist,” they would not exist. Your belief alone is their power.
>>41092636Why are you so pissy XD
https://youtu.be/zXoXvi6Vbwo
>>41088306Have you ever considered that to some people God is evil? That God is the evil one? A tyrant? A lot of people have sympathy for Satan because they believe that Satan is an example of freedom. Because Satan dared to rebel against God who is supposed to be the most powerful being in existence. Satan wanted to surpass God. This literal and symbolic. Satan wanted freedom of God. He wanted to be above God. This means Satan was tired of serving God and doing what God wanted and stuff like that. Satan went trough what a lot of us go through eventually. We like to think that the pop artists are under MK ultra, but we the general public are under MK ultra as well. Since birth we are being programmed. So there are some of us who question the programming. Satan was the first one to question the status quo so to speak. He is the rebe angel. He prefers to burn in Hell than to serve God again. You gotta understand that God limits us. We don't have freedom. And the christians say God is good. So you gotta understand all the sides of the coin. One side you will never understand is God's because He limited us to not be able to understand Him.
In God they trust. Novus Ordo Seclorum.
>>41088486This is a logic solution I personally came too, but I am agnostic and haven't had any personal "revelations" so I don't know if anything is after this. God is everything at the beginning. He IS kind of lonely. He both sort of has "feelings" and is also just everything and everyone of all multiverses even where 2+2=5. Because being everything all at once is not really a "position", just to the nature of how light and dark work the only beings that could exist besides God are the totality of his good and his bad. Two beings in balance because it's just how it would have to be. You could argue existence has to be an ordered system to even exist. Good and bad are middle managers of existence. Any "angels" or machine elves are middle managers of existence that in some way serve good or bad since those are the only two positions that could arise from God and not totally be Him. I say good and bad, it could be more like light and dark or chaos and order. Idk.My thesis is, God might be doing his own thing and dreaming but there IS a middle management tier that even themselves are just halves of God. A necessary dance to even have existence at all.
>>41088787It didn't live to suffer for one. Also, part of the "Why do bad things happen?" discussion, I would say, is even though some parents have kids with childhood blood cancer and you CAN'T take away that curse from them....most people on average have good, Loving lives. Love. Capitalized. Despite all the evil in the world that may or may not come from God or be a shitty test, we kind of as a species the more spiritual we become the more higher vibrational and Loving we WANT to be and ARE.
>>41088306i fucking hate abramovich. got a book of her in my hand and whatever her deal is, it is not art. >>41088401it strikes me as not too deep in, but believing to be in control. either by following "mystic" orders they thought to know, or by yielding the tools because they think they are free to do so. maybe both, it needs to have some kind of loop or double-hook. like doing evil but with a protection spell to be good then the evil becomes necessary and ultimately good. >>41088486>God Is a true neutral entity, neither good or evil.yes, i believe good is still being formed and that god "needs" us, it has not the traditional god/evil dichotomy, but rather things outbalance themselves, but have consequenes. its like we are a god making machine.
>>41088306You figured it out you're at the gates congrats anon
>>41088871Good thought - I like it.
All religions except Christianity. They attack the name Jesus Christ so much that it proves to me it's real.
>>41092611>>41092618>>41092621>>41092628>>41092630>>41092633>>41092636Imagine being a schizo and secularist at the same time.That's literally the worst combo imaginable kys
>>41089129If everything was perfect, it would have to be a state without seperation, without lack. It would look like some pure expanse of energy, white light, no bump, ripple, no difference.The ideas you're talking about, living on earth being happy, still require forms of lack and seperation, a seperation of subject/object, a presence in time which is seperate from some eternal finished state. They aren't perfection, they're still furnished with lack and seperation.The thing to realize about the impossibility of absolutism, of knowlede, of pure perfect good, is that it gives us the room to make what is current, even better. It shouldn't be a focusing on the lack that there is, the gaps between us now and some perfect morality, some perfect happiness, it should be the recognition of the ability to move about, to make that change. That is free will, the ability to move around in a world inhabited by lack/sin/negation whichever word you choose for it.You can argue that you would rather have perfection than the imperfection which grants you action, but that would simply be a state without words, without definition, without anything in particular, no you, no not-you. There'd be nothing for a you at all, there would just be. The perfection you seek, the unending boredom, is for your ego, not a truly perfect world.As for birth defects and such, I suppose my personal opinion is that God is infinite, not absolute, so to say it allows change and growth, rejects of static absolutism. Not like a dude writing a script for the world, deciding to make people defected. Its more like God/Eden was the land before consciousness, if someone was born defected, there was no awareness to even consider it "good" or "bad", it simply was. This idea of it being bad is a product of consciousness/awareness/ego, lack is inherent in the world, God is about recognizing difference and coming to accept it, taking what you see as bad and finding ways to orient it into a positive direction
because they are dumb and complacent enough to think they are going to rule in hell, they genuinely view hell as something beautiful and worthy of achieving. they want to take as many down there because they think it's the best option. but at least there will be more space for me in the beloved city.
>>41100472That seems a little presumptuous, again you're assuming that your easily accessible NPC religion is 100% literally true. Maybe they have access to information that you don't?
>>41100553it is true because it is perfect, the information they have access to does not say anything more than what i already know.
>>41100572>it is true because it is perfectuh huh, ok little buddy
Athena is satan behind rotshild !oopsie!
>>41100957Also the same as the angel Columbia in Apotheosis of George Washington
>>41088306This is trve. The creator is real, spirits are real, all religions are false.
>>41100964>>41100957it's "lady" liberty actually.
>>41100957https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koomzSRRNxA
>>41094782Whose God, exactly? Which God? To what purpose?To enslave an kill people?
The spiritual world is realThere is no heavenThere is no hellPeople have too much self-esteemNothing is created for no reasonMagic is forbidden so that people do not abuse the matrixThe matrix pumps energyI am not sure that Christianity is salvation
>>41102569G O D, G.O.D Creation material god, created "human" god, future known god, in the darkness creation god, destruction energy creation god, money gold god, whatever you believe to give energy to goverment and people to control god, they are fooling you with "god" of the church
>>41089100You literally do not understand what the other anon is telling you.
>>41088306Because in Hell they will be in their thrones, not screaming in torture racks. The unfortunate end for those who are religious and spiritual beggars is the second case. Also, what religious people call Heaven and Hell are not eternal. Existence isn't eternal. If you know the basics of occultism and esoterica you will know this. The Bible is an edited book.
>>41088306This is why you bastardize religion and make it seem they are real. When in fact it is just culture appreciation.
>>41088396Think you are referring to the Cosmic Consciousness that is God. Because it is a system.
