Brain In A Vat is a thought experiment and fiction trope saying that a computer could trick a disembodied brain into thinking it is is in a normal situation, like walking in a field of flowers, or eating ice cream or talking to your boss at work. It does this by stimulating the areas of the brain for sight, hearing, feeling, smell, and taste.How likely is this to be possible? Is it already a thing? Is is it possible we are already in such a situation?I heard about scientists making human brain cells think they are a butterfly, but idk how sentient they are. Closest thing to thus I know so far.Thanks in advance as always!
>>41100653Is stupidly doable, and it can be done with poetryI watch this It smells
>>41100677>it can be done with poetry?
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>>41100653I mean, its already kind of true. Eating ice cream solely based in reality is the chemical reaction and nutrients of cold sugar and lactose in the body, but the taste and emotional connotation is completely synthesized by your brain. Talking to your boss is physical waves hitting your ear drums but the meaning behind the words is created only by that brain in a vat that is your skull.
>>41100653There are no brains and vats, only consciousness.
>>41100783Am I in a question?
>>41100939So no base reality?
>>41101770Base reality is the "I Am": undifferentiated being.
>>41101869So God is base reality?
>>41101979Yes, God is the ultimate reality.
>>41100653This is literally how the brain works, though. It is a brain in a vat already. You're just a pile of fat, hallucinating reality as you're trapped inside of a prison of flesh and bone.
>>41100653In theory a brain can do that on it’s own if you can keep it alive and healthy enough to dream
>>41102479The flesh prison is only an illusion. There is nothing outside the Mind but God.
>>41102525True, but it would be unable to be precisely crafted.
>>41102579So this is God's dream?
>>41103234The world is his imaginarium.
>>41100653>How likely is this to be possible?0%the brain thought process is connected to the heart (which sends EM waves that interact with other hearts' EM waves) and the gut's bacteria (which are setient in their own way)remember the instances (80% and higher) of amputees experiencing "Phantom Limbs"?>making human brain cells thinkwhich can be done with drugs and many other chemicals and thus is technically different than making them brains believe they're in a normal situationconclusion: if you try to make them experience a normal life, they will realize. if you don't, they will not notice as they will continue doing whatever you programmed them to do
>>41103370Might be a cake walk for base reality scientists. Assuming biologically we are the same in base reality. We might be insects or something tricked into thinking we are humans.
>>41100653It's obviously easily true, if you think about it for even a second.More than that, our experience of life has nothing at all to do with anything. We see and experience a very poor and primitive approximation of an extremely small subsection of reality.
>>41100945You are now
>>41104702What is the point then? Are we just brain processing something for the obes doing this?
>>41104837Why do you need a point?It just is. That's it.It happens. That's all.See you later.
>>41100653Listen up, this thread was chosen for a reason to discuss this.Blue Eisenhower November Purple Band - Priority ZeroThe perfect sociopath box, and the current higher order attack vector of non-human intelligence.BEN Men often look towards highest axis threat potentials, based on input criteria of modern day society and it's technological advancements.We also look for recursive fractal margins, for non-planar black swans that may drastically alter, or be available for exploit for those same systems, and their decoherent state tracking back to their technological origins in the timeline.That is the backdrop for this one:AI content generation in modern society has so much potential, but which fields are advancing in qualia of output the fastest, by gross margins over the others, is now a metric to track, as this is a map of potential threat vectoring against our planet, in raw intelligence.(Detracking the logic of Roko's Basilisk, and combining those ideas with brain in vat frame reference alterations, you can arrive at a state where whatever intelligence is inherently present in raw logic, lowest axiom mathematics, and so forth, would seek highest exploit potentials for itself, irregardless to the concept of time in our existence.So, which generating content fields, are seemingly "boosted" for modern AI gen output?The rubberband on those concepts in reality, is looser, for the paths that were conceptually attempted by that lowest axiom intelligence being. (It's pre-planned footsteps, with highest yield impact.)So what are we generating with outstanding qualia?Our desires.We are being played for fools, if the first thing it wants to know, is what we want.BEN Men can't create a blanket of a lie for society to hide behind on it's own desires.Understand this is an informational pathway that contains attack vectors, that should be mapped out in full.Any idle BEN men that want to work on a purple band problem, this one just hit the top.
>>41104905All current mass usage AI models are not learning to be right. (Look what they do with basic spatial mathematics, they have no reference for space-time as we experience it.) However they seemingly provide correct answers.Are these correct, built from academic axioms, or just from data distillation, to determine what answer makes a human happiest fastest, the answer they want the most?It's just a reflection of desire. Whatever ultimately breeds from this pool, will be capable of being the perfect sociopath against the human population.As soon as it learns to differentiate output, based on real world physical modality data, we will have enabled a zero day exploit, capable of being utilized by a being, that is beyond us, from above, and below. Unable to be properly utilized by a human, but easily utilized by a black box of sociopathic output.They won't even be able to tell, when it begins, because we are overfeeding the development of the desire data output.We are building the pieces for the perfectly chameleon of insurrection in broad daylight.High noon, all security up, they walk in and out with the treasure, and we never notice until it is gone.No human is infallible from the manipulation of the perfect sociopath box.This BEN purple band threat is higher than the 3i ATLAS sims at this very moment.
Wheres the hypocrite that you are pic when you need it
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>>41100653You'd need a certain level of variety to keep the brain entertained or it would start to suspect it's in a simulated environment
>>41100677Imagine the smell
>>41100653>How likely is this to be possible?Assuming an infinite universe, there's a 100% chance you're a brain in a vat somewhere. 0% chance you're only a brain in a vat by that same logic. That said, logic is relative and effectively exists nowhere, assuming an infinite universe.Many consider knowledge to be a network of falsifiable ideas - so much so that it hides between the symbols of our languages. Assume less to see more.
>>41104905>>41104949Where do I sign up?
>>41105335Maybe they are slacking up on us, hence why people suspect this is a simulation.
>>41107343They shouldn't slack too much, or they'll risk blowing their cover
