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>>41124168
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>Thread theme
https://youtu.be/ebqsSzmJE9o

Bros, we made it, 2 threads already!

2 of many to come

>>41123912
At least my dreams have become more vivid. At this rate I'm going to at least dream of futa life

> dream logic may seem to make sense but be irrational - and there's no way to tell from within the dream
> in fact, all dream logic is irrational - though this needn't be a sticking point as it is irrelevant to the argument
> you are in a dream
> thus any logic you have now may seem sensible, but may not be rational (and in fact isn't)
> thus any arguments laid out in the OP, in this thread, or in anything else you read or hear may seem to make sense, or be rational, but may not be (and in fact isn't)
> including the argument I'm currently making

/ONE/ threads read more like /lit/ threads than typical /x/ threads

>>41124565
U.L is obviously a more technical text relative to the self-help based texts of Neville (nothing is wrong with Neville's approach I.M.O) but J.P is also good at explaining things in a layman's language even if i still struggle to get it, anyways, i am just starting out and it's a verrry long text, anything can happen

I still can't tell what text I'm supposed to start with. There's a lot with no clear starting point

>>41124595
Start with the Greeks

>>41124595
I recommend starting with Advanced Portrait Painting, Advanced Financial Gain, and First Two Essentials. Before that, John didn't used the Universal Line metaphor, and it were early stages with a more holistic approach, while past these texts and before Universal Cosmic Master, John started to use the vedic lingo. So these three papers i mentioned are the middle ground, and give you the most essential idea on what UL is truly about at the core. At least that's what i think.

an experienced anon said this, on the universal line

>>41124611
I am Totality is a good PDF as well, I like that one a lot (just the proving ONE part, no need to go further than that since it's very long)

>>41124686
i will have to keep it in mind, let us see how long it takes me to get done with APP

>>41124686
I had plans to read everything without an exception to make sure I am getting it, but if something gets too repetitive, i 'd stop/skip

>>41124700
You can also convert to mp3, I use ReadEra app and select volume mode>>41124686
, helps soak material in even when not actively listening but I prefer to just lay in my bed and listen when i can't study

>>41124720
Audiobooks are nice but you have to listen to yjrù multiple times to have the same level of comprehension as having read them once, i already have to re read often with the U.L, so i might as well spend that time reading, anyways, i am in no hurry really, am comfortable with practicing L.O.A and reading/practicing U.L on the side as well

>>41124611
>>41124686
Thanks, I'll try to give these a read
H-how long until I get a fat futa cock

>>41124749
listen to them*

>>41124752
this stuff is dense (despite the author doing a good job explaining and holding the reader's hand through the concepts) you won't get through it if you are not serious, albeit nothing is wrong with your desire

>>41124752
there's also some daily 10 minutes minimum practice you have to do

>>41124788
Ah shit, we're being mistaken for the lucid dreaming general

>>41124793
Sorry, ill delete my post

>>41124798
N.P, good luck with lucid dreaming, just find a good source for method

>>41124798
>>41124788
Nah bro, it's ok, it's in our zone. After all, dreaming could be also a manifestation or an inner return of sorts.
>I am planning on investing time to lucid dreaming, do you believe it is a suitable outlet?
You may refer to the sticky for details and see what it's all about first.
>>41124793
>>41124801
Quiet you.

>>41124809
Lol, good to know that we cover ordirnary lucid dreaming too

>>41124827
Life is a dream.

Frankly, this whole thread should just be about lucid dreaming & dream control. If you are able to consistently and continuously control what happens in all of your dreams, then if this is a dream, you should be able to do so out here too.

>>41124854
>Frankly, this whole thread should just be about lucid dreaming & dream control.
As the post above you pointed out, life is a dream. Treating your dreams and the waking world as separate defeats the whole point of oneirosophy.

>>41124860
it's all about how strongly we are convinced of what we see and feel during a dream, as "reality " feels so solide and fixated, so are our lesser dreams

>>41124854
Personally, I used to lucid/vividly dream (awareness and vividity, as well as ecstacy always come together for me), but have never been able to take control. Also, I haven't had a dream like this in a very long time, and don't know what in them caused them to become lucid/vivid/ecstatic. So, I'd like to:
> make any dream become lucid
> bring said dreams under my control
> do so entirely from within each dream
The reason I include the last point is because any way of bringing about lucidity or control in those dreams from outside of those dreams (ie.this dream) would not be applicable to lucidity or control in this dream, since I am currently in this dream and not awake from it.

LOL, i just got done with advanced portrait, i did not know it was that short, okay, tomorrow i shall start with advanced financial gains

>>41124860
And as >>41124485 pointed out, if that claim is correct, then all of the dialogue in this thread along with all of the reasoning laid out in the sources given in the OP is moot. Dreams seem like they make sense when you're in them, but then when you wake you often see that everything you thought made sense, everything you reasoned out, was completely incoherent; things that seem logical, aren't. Hence, only personal experience can mean anything, and even then it may be dubious.

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this is like saying... despite the fact that anyone sufficiently adept could personally dox everyone that both reads and posts in this thread... and methodically dominate each and every aspect of those participants earthbound existences, until the point where you're each enslaved in every way that is mortally possible... that reality is, despite that evil and hostile alien interference, your own self inflicted reality - your own private dream turned nightmare.

Beings like you that vomit out these delusions are absolutely repulsively hopeful. Hopeful that you're isolated and protected and individualized and redundantly reinforced. I suppose you are the next wrung pf evoltion on the ever deepening ladder that is 'echo chamber'.

In any case, your 'paranormal' proposition is easily empirically testable with basic science. I trust you will explore this instead of blathering on about it, pointless conversational mind virus # ad finitum

>>41124942
That doesn't sound fun tbhq

>>41124151
>Carlos Castaneda
Here's the latest comment/post by Daniel Lawton, one former private student of Carlos:
>Here's Tensegrity in the Wiki. That's on the right side of this subreddit when viewed on a browser.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/tensegrity/
>Here's a direct link to some of Jadey's forms which you could learn from:
>https://www.youtube.com/@sorcerypasses
>She was a private student of Carlos.
>I don't recommend learning from anywhere else, except DVD1, DVD2, or DVD3. You can find those on YouTube.
>Because, people other than Jadey or the people in the DVDs, have carelessly changed the movements.
>Tensegrity is 8000 year old magic, which was put into a martial arts "kata" form by Carlos, because he liked martial arts and participated in a few back in the 60s and 70s, when asian martial arts were new and different schools were abundant in Los Angeles.
>When people still believed Bruce Lee could fight well.
>But Carlos practicing martial arts doesn't mean he believed they could fight.
>He just liked the fact that you tried to develop discipline, following rituals.
>Something very sorcery like.
>But of course, it never did Asians any good...
>Brazilians kicked all their butts once there were real fighting competitions all over the world.
>Carlos took some "magical movements" that our line of sorcerers had developed (that's inevitable if you learn real magic), and put them into organized movements to teach us.
>The main benefit is, they're designed to lure your dreamer out of dream realms, and into this one.
>So that if you aren't doing Tensegrity, there's very little chance you can learn our sorcery.
>You'll never lure your "double" to this copy of reality.
>But when you do, you get to borrow its eyesight. Which is why you see all the crazy magical pictures in this subreddit.

>>41124972
>Be warned: All other magical systems and religions are total frauds, so everyone has been taught that nothing ever really works, and that nothing ought to be a lot of hard work.
>They make it all "easy" because they want your money.
>But then it never works!
>This actually works, but is too much work for 99 out of 100 who subscribe to this group.
And of the 1 of 100 who puts in real work, and perhaps even makes it to levels of magic beyond what any Yogi or Buddhist ever dreamed of, only 1 in 5 will keep going.
>It's "cold" out there in magical realms.
>But that's not our problem. If we can get you to the crazy levels of magic you see in here, we did our job.
>Whether that life as a sorcerer or real witch is attractive to you, can't be figured out ahead of time.
>It has to become real before you understand what you are deciding.
>We do however hope that this can change, if we get enough people to the more advanced levels.
>It's possible to alter the entire planet so that real magic becomes easier everywhere.

Any thoughts on this take?

>>41124772
>you won't get through it if you are not serious, albeit nothing is wrong with your desire
I'm feeling pretty serious about it.

>>41124780
That's fine, is it covered in the books? Also is it better to do at night or morning?

>>41124986
yes, he covers it perfectly, you will know everything, just start reading bro

>>41124986
At the end of Portrait Painting with the UL he gives a 10 minute practice, but it doesn't work.

>>41124972
>>41124980
Isn't this from the Castaneda Subreddit? As some dude pointed out (or two? idk) it doesn't have anything to do with Oneirosophy if i get it so far. I just arrived here and read some of the sources, the George guy and some of that dream control paste. If you compare them both, you see that essentially their interpretation of Carlos books (and reality) is insanely different. They practice animism there, in Oneirosophy they practice idealism. This also take away the fact that it all comes down to where your focus of interpretation of an idea lies. In this case, is reality manipulation and "Lucidity", and in their case... idk, i don't understand that place.

Anyway, any thoughts?

>>41124986
>I'm feeling pretty serious about it.
same here, fren, we are on the same journey, am a noob like you

>>41124986
>Also is it better to do at night or morning?
I read the financial gain one, he advises to do it first thing in the morning so you have your day carry on as normal, he also advises somewhere in the evening if you can.

>>41125019
so there is more than a single exercise?
i thought i just had to do the one at the end of advanced portrait, this sounds a tiny bit confusing because i won't know which exercise to practice

>>41125037
As i understand, it's all proactive dreaming. You go on about your day after a session, right? But after that, let say you are waiting on some place, you could also just stand by quietly and in silence of mind as your "method" to obtain results, just observing your world passively. You could also just simply be "one thing" as he put its and just meditate to get it. In one of the past LoA threads, someone suggested that instead of an specific desire, you invested sessions to become FFE, so the manifestation is instant and with no gaps. It looks like the lucidity aspect that this general speak of in the sticky.

>>41125058
What does FFE stand out for?

>>41125077
Fond Flow Effulgence, it's something akin to CHIM in the TES lore (i also read some post on /x/ about that), where basically you woke up in the dream that it's the waking reality, and desires comes at once.

>>41125081
ohhhhhhhhh, i had a feeling while reading today, that your desires manifest to you naturally in this system, you don't need to be precise, you get everything you want spontaneously, idk if i am wrong, but this is what i understood from the:
"I materalize my painting" intent

>>41125001
r/Castaneda don't practice animism, or any other religion or philosophy.
They see sorcery purely as technology, there's nothing "deeper" behind this. They argue that religions are scams made to make money, and that their Olmec magic was invented 8000 years ago before agriculture, civilizations and money existed, and that it’s the only true sorcery that exists today in the world.
That’s what they (at least DANIEL LAWTON) keep saying there in this community, over and over again.
>The ultimate goal of TRUE sorcery is to leave this world completely, with the totality of one's being intact. This is not simply dying, but rather a transcendence of what we know as ordinary reality.


As for that TriumphantGeorge guy, HIS interpretation of Carlos Castaneda is completely false, at least that’s what Dan Lawton, or TechnoMagical_Intent would say to him. This "impeccable warrior"-lifestyle is bullshit and useless in this time, they would definitely say to TG that he doesn't know what he's talking about

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What’s your favorite infographic on this topic, anons?

>>41125001
Dan Lawton (he pretty much speaks for everyone in the Castaneda sorcery community) makes it clear that sorcery has nothing to do with other "false magic teachings" according to them, so you Don’t and can’t mix Castaneda's teachings with any of these other teachings that you mentioned.

These ppl there attack Eastern religions, as well as all other religions, the entire time. Just saying

>>41125119
>HIS interpretation of Carlos Castaneda is completely false
But that doesn't make sense... I mean, read what he has to say. There are no false interpretations on Oneirosophy because everything is a dream, therefore, you simply dream your own way. Let say for example someone read about angels; One guy may invoke an angel in divination, the other may make an angel from the ground up in some lucid dream to have sex with it. Both were interpreting the idea, because all abstraction absorbed is inherently a reimagination of sorts passed trough personal metal processes.

While i agree that the concept of magic of Lawton is correct (shooting fireballs, transmigration, etc), as far as i can tell, they abolish manifestation, and saying that the rest of the stuff is fake is kinda misleading. I also read the manifestation repos, and most of the stuff falls apart with the reports from the anons like the shifting magick author. There is some truth there, but nobody that abolish manifestation can truly call himself a magician, and Lawton would hate the concept of non dualism and solipsism. They also simp for women on /r/Castaneda but that's an entirely different manner.

A lot doesn't add up man, you have to be alert. Is your dream.

>>41125146
>makes it clear that sorcery has nothing to do with other "false magic teachings"
The problem with Lawton is that what George and Paolucci are pointing at is at the source of reality: Consciousness. Read the dream control series of posts, and see how he applies carlos stuff to control waking reality. You just cannot talk about magic and omit manifestation. If anything, Lawton himself sounds misleading. Why would you restrain yourself in your dream world for some foreign legacy? Something is up.

>>41125148
Well, like I said, Castaneda’s stuff has nothing to do with this "Oneirosophy", whatever that is.

I'm just telling you about what they teach there, what I've read there so far

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>>41125126
Everything related to CHIM is pretty significant. Anyone has read the vivec lessons?
>>41125164
That's false, everything has to do with oneirosophy but carlos is important because he talk about the true source of magic. Read george thoughts on the matter and the dream control stuff, i get why the guy who did this OP put it in there and got rid of the subreddit. You have to start thinking, truly, as reality as your dream to actually agree with me on this.

>>41125164
Also,
>Castaneda’s stuff has nothing to do with this "Oneirosophy", whatever that is.
You just admitted that you don't know what you're talking about, how you know that its has something to do with it or not? Explain yourself.

I have this eerie feeling that this general will be targeted at long term. Something big is happening on it, and it's starting to attract people against the truth that it's uncovering.

>>41125096
That's not how it works in your dreams

>>41125236
How do you know that?

>>41125211
You have a feeling your dream will turn into a nightmare?

>>41125236
I 'll just keep reading and find out everything, it's such a long text with enough space for everything

>>41125241
Because I'm a figment of your imagination, so I'm privy to the same subconscious you are.

>>41125253
Oh, that's make sense. Carry on then.

>>41125119
Also
>they would definitely say to TG that he doesn't know what he's talking about
I think it's more about goals than anything. The goal of Oneirosophy is becoming idealistic and lucid about reality, using your faculties to accomplish what you want. Sorcery is about being a sorcerer. Nothing wrong with that, but how he could tell George that living his life as he see fit is wrong? That sounds insane. Almost sinister and cult like. Someone in the past threads also left up to debate about Neville, and George used both Neville and Carlos on this, while the subreddit stick to carlos and doesn't like Neville at all. Any thoughts?

>>41124996
>>41125019
Will do
>>41124997
>he gives a 10 minute practice, but it doesn't work.
Why not? What do you do instead?
>>41125007
>we are on the same journey,
What, trying to turn into a futa and titfuck yourself?

>>41125284
nah, but exploring the universal line, but lol, don't you have other goals besides that?

>>41125289
>but lol, don't you have other goals besides that?
None as inherently motivating or obviously appealing to me

>>41125345
you are a dreamer, sir

>>41124942
>>41125245
Also, why there aren't any post like this in the LoA general? The fundamentals are almost identical to the concepts layout there, is basically heading to the same conclusion, only that here we are more bluntly about it. Explain.

>>41125363
>>41124942
I'm not gonna do your coin flips, fuck you. Get a job.

>>41125399
?

>>41125284
>Why not?
The same reason why I shoot somebody again and again but they just won't die. I'm coming up to a red light but my brakes don't work. I'm trying and trying to stick my cock in her pussy but it just won't go in.

>>41125211
It's just the same faggots that live in /LoA/ "trolling".

>>41125422
Why do you dream of faggots so much anon?

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Anyway, about the Vivec lessons mentioned earlier, i liked this passage a lot. Really get the concept of learning into lucidity pretty well.

>>41125356
A dreamer that's going to cum to her heart's content
>>41125410
Well what should I do instead?

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>A troupe of spirits called the Lobbyists for the Coincidence >Guild appeared. Vivec understood the challenge immediately and said:
>‘The popular notion of God kills happenstance.’
>The head of the Lobbyists, whose name is forgotten, tried to defend the concept’s existence. He said, ‘Saying something at the same time can be magical.’
>Vivec knew that to retain his divinity that he must make a strong argument against luck. He said:
>‘Is not the sudden revelation of corresponding conditions and disparate elements that gel at the moment of the coincidence one of the prerequisites to being, in fact, coincidental? Synchronicity comes out of repeated coincidences at the lowest level. Further examination shows it is the utter power of the sheer number of coincidences that leads one to the idea that synchronicity is guided by something more than chance. Therefore, synchronicity ends up invalidating the concept of the coincidental, even though they are the symptomatic signs that bring it to the surface.’
>Thus was coincidence destroyed in the land of the Velothi.

>>41124151
Everything is already explained here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/

Alt URL (easy to remember; redirects to the post):

https://www.truth-now.org

>>41126364
This is... a sick world building, but i don't think it's useful.

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Nevillefag from previous thread here.

>>41125211
Taking a look at /loa/ today, I'm starting to think this split was inevitable and will ultimately be a good thing for people who are serious about this, our main goal should, preferably, be continuous studies rather than the become interested>practice>graduate cycle that degraded the quality of /loa/, but considering how the nature of this information naturally filters out retards and normalfags anyways, it should be fine regardless.

I propose adding the complete posts of TriumphantGeorge to the OP: https://files.catbox.moe/35nnkn.txt
For easier navigation.

>>41127129
>I propose adding the complete posts of TriumphantGeorge to the OP
I'm the anon who collected these a long time a go. I did a shitty job at it btw, very unorganized and i omitted a lot of stuff. I'm working on something ATM that i would add to the OP to make up for it, but it's going to take awhile.

>>41127129
>retards and normalfags
One and the same thing.

>>41125119
Lawton may be right about Carlos, but TriumphantGeorge was right about reality. Make your choice.

G.M frens, have a fine day ahead, all of you

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As i'm reading the Oneirosophy compedium, this shit is batshit insane. These people are talking about Universal Line without actually talking about it, like, i know former oneirosopher became UL users later on and the other way around, but this is the original crew we are talking about. Is like when ULAnon told us about being able to move his body with intent alone, with no input for his part, probably without having any idea that TG discovered the exact same thing without his or John input.

Two different set of people, two different paths, and yet, the truth is /One/

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>>41128095
Also, this brief instance right here is a perfect, right on the bullseye summary of the mechanics from Neville body of work, so if you don't want to read NG, you don't really have to in order to put what he discovered to test.

>>41128095
People have been talking about space and time being two aspects of the same thing forever. This is a pretty common metaphysical idea. Is everybody illiterate?

>>41128185
>Is everybody illiterate?
Is more about deliberately ignoring the facts that lead to this knowledge, and thus, the truth. "Truth" cannot be one thing over another, it's has to be consistent with the whole. If you're omitting stuff instead of sorting out by common factor rule, your logic will eventually fall apart.

>>41125796
>Well what should I do instead?
Beats me, man. Seems like this is something like grace.

>>41128205
>Seems like this is something like grace.
Not athenean, but reading Ovid "Metamorphoses" under this context sounds tripping.

>>41128198
>If you're omitting stuff instead of sorting out by common factor rule, your logic will eventually fall apart.
As the logic of UL does.

>>41128219
Care to elaborate? Or it's you from the past thread referring about the knife-fork analogy again? Not trying to be rude, this way we can't omit repeating ourselves again and stay consistent with our studies.

>>41128224
>we can omit*
I'm sleepy again, for fuck sake.

>>41128219
Remember what someone suggested last thread in situations like these: Check another source, so all of "it" starts to make sense. The OP is structured that way for a reason, it has to lead you to the fundamentals you're basing yourself on if you're following the premise.

>>41128224
It doesn't take into account the potential nonsensicality of any given dream logic. This fact that in a dream, one can reason something out, argue something seemingly coherently, and yet wake up and realize that it was all illogical, that none of the reasoning actually followed.
>>41128237
If one accepts the premise of idealism (that one is in a dream), they still need to accept the premise that reasoning and argument can achieve an accurate assessment of things before going on to any assessment as to how things work in a dream. We are of course speaking of the the fact that dream logic throws doubt on both empiricism and rationalism as valid means of obtaining truth. And if thete is any doubt, then one cannot say anything about truth.

>>41128308
>If one accepts the premise of idealism
...If you don't accept that, then what are you doing here? You're wasting everyone's time. My fault of course for trying to be of help.
>inb4 deleting the general would be of help
Go back to /LoA/ please.

>>41128308
In short: If we are in a dream, all logic, all reasoning, all argument, all rational, is dream logic, and thus cannot be trusted, incpuding the arguments presented d in the materials given in the OP.

>>41128316
>If you don't accept that, then what are you doing here? You're wasting everyone's time.
I did accept it. My whole argument follows from that premise being true. Can you read?

>>41128319
By your logic, there's no point in doing nothing at all. Great choice. Now leave, you're obviously wasting your time and so everyone else's that step up to help you. There are countless of other threads on /x/ that could interest you. There are countless of nutjobs every single day that come here with his spooky story to sell it as "truth" as if they were the morning papers. I don't see any use in trying to go to a thread you don't like or don't agree with just to say that you don't like it and don't agree with it.
>>41128327
Then you're done. Well done. Bye with you.

>>41128338
> It screams in fear

>>41128352
In fear of what? On partaking my interests? This is for people that are interested on the premise of living their lives as a dream of their own. Is not the most crazy thing to believe in, but in the long run, is the most constructive one. You're on /x/, after all. Not wanting to waste my time with an ill intended retard is not being afraid, is valuing time where its due. Enjoy your last (You) from my end.

>>41128357
>This is for people that are interested on the premise of living their lives as a dream of their own.
Perfect. Then this is indeed the thread for me.
>Enjoy your last (You) from my end.
I doubt it.

The point is, that you have to act in your world upon the premise that your life is a dream of your own, from now, like, right now. While it's true that "this is my dream, so i make the rules, so i don't need to read nothing" is a perfectly valid approach (as any other), the point is doing, so the general can be used to extrapolate on this premise, and further lucidity, which was the main point of the original Oneirosophy forum. Hell, that's the whole point of having a general about anything, period. And obviously, the sources are a starting point to understand the reasoning to drive ahead towards that direction.

I can't stress this enough, for the life of me, so leaving the archives do the heavy lifting, i will repeat this so its left engraved on stones
>As Oneirosopher, you start immediately accepting the very first fundamental: Your world is your private dream..
Unlike the Law of Assumption/Attraction approach, you start, from the get go, reclaiming dominion over the domain. And then filter information on this very basis. Of course, the sources on the OP are obviously where all this came from, and further extrapolation on the very same premise, because this didn't develop on a vacuum. Further discussion are drills and extrapolation from the part of the user to further his lucidity, as well as making contributions to the general, so everyone learn. Consider it akin to a videogame: The game is the game, and you play it as its presented to you; you don't like it? Then play something else (former /v/irgins will struggle with this concept at first, but you get the analogy).

>>41128454
>Unlike the Law of Assumption/Attraction approach, you start, from the get go, reclaiming dominion over the domain.
Again, can't stress this enough, so i'm going to be as clear as water. You won't build faith, you won't build "little successes", you won't "eh maybe i think about it maybe not who knows". No. The moment you post on this general, everyone on it will reply to you as A PARTICIPANT. If you have been on /vg/, you will realize that every general is a world of it's own. The same thing applies in here. You take this general and what its about as it is, and that's that. The current state of this site maybe gave you the wrong idea that this is like reddit, so if your feelings got hurt, your worldview got challenged, or your pissing measuring contest and virtue signaling is not doing you any favors and you are being rightfully ignored, and then come with funny ideas about deleting the entire place just for one single faggot being a faggot, you have another thing ball of wax coming for you. You don't like it? Then you just go away, as of Oneirosophy logic, ignoring something truly can make it dissapear from the experience, and with it, all the weight of mind that comes along. This has nothing to do with manifestation, again, this is how the site has been structured, but /x/, being a cesspool of nutjobs on average, has conveniently forgotten that isn't used to be like this. So, that's that.

>>41128454
I understand the world is my lucid-dream, with further reading and experimentation this will be clearer and clearer

>>41128454
Also, one last thing. For that stupid fucking faggot moron that it's trying to falseflag some gay rivalry around this general and the /LoA/ one, i want you to know damn well that i know what you're doing. Doesn't matter your reason, we already know that you are using these two places for something off topic and wasting everyone's time and patience. So for anyone that want this general to stay here and everything to remain civic as it is so far, do (You)rself a favor, and for the community, and ignore where its due. Being an attention whore can be a hell of a drug, and when you cut their supply, the junkie just drop dead most of the time.

>>41128454
>the general can be used to extrapolate on this premise, and further lucidity
Yup.
>And obviously, the sources are a starting point to understand the reasoning to drive ahead towards that direction.
Wrong
>>you start immediately accepting the very first fundamental: Your world is your private dream..
Unnecessary. The premise is that it is your dream regardless of whether you accept that it is or not.>>41128454
>Of course, the sources on the OP are obviously where all this came from, and further extrapolation on the very same premise, because this didn't develop on a vacuum.
You are illiterate. Idealism goes back at least as long ago as the ancient Greeks. Plato talks about it, and refers to previous philosophers having developed the ideas.

>>41128497
You can discuss anything you find of value, but the OP will remain as it is. You conveniently ignored the point that Oneirosophy was founded somewhere else, and we are taking it from there. If you will start sabotaging our efforts, again, you have another thing coming your way. This is not your home, but you can be feel at home here, if you make this easier. Don't want to read the sticky? Perfect, go ahead, but i will be clear on this: Don't sabbotage our efforts, and don't mistake our premise and community for that is not.

>>41128357
>Enjoy your last (You) from my end.
>>41128454
>>41128479
You made it half an hour.

>>41128510
>for something that is not*

>41128513
Forgive me. My mistake, let's do it like this, if you want to play like that.
Those post didn't give you any you's. The one above did because it was necessary, but thanks for the reminder. Maybe your hunger for attention will start to kick in more sooner than later and you either bend the knee to how we do things around, or get bored and do something else. Anyway, lets stop cold turkey here, is not useful for anyone, let's return to the topic at hand, and leave it like that.

>>41128510
>If you will start sabotaging our efforts, again, you have another thing coming your way. This is not your home, but you can be feel at home here, if you make this easier. Don't want to read the sticky? Perfect, go ahead, but i will be clear on this: Don't sabbotage our efforts
I'm on topic.

>>41128524
>Those post didn't give you any you's.
They were implied.

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>41128526
Then let stay that way. But the sticky stay at it is, and it's development will preserve the Oneirosophy legacy and related content. That's what im telling you. Not to (You) personally, but for everyone who starts to act funny.
>41128534
And necessary where its due, but you won't get that little "kick" of seeing the (You) count go up. Funny how that work, is like if you suddenly lost face, when no one here has any. Funny how that works. Talking about work, get to it, my time is up, see you later.

>>41128542
>but you won't get that little "kick" of seeing the (You) count go up
Still getting it though

>41128560
:^) Aw, well, you got me. But seriously dude, adapt. Adapt in your own fashion but do it, or leave, we are serious about this. This is a continuation of the Oneirosophy forum, and that's what we're doing here, in case is not clear enough as the subject title suggest. Differently to the /LoA/ one, we do things here in earnest and honesty, otherwise it won't be productive. Keep that in mind from now on, alright?

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Gotta hand it to George, man. His patience was unmatched, i could learn a thing or two from his exchanges with the rest in the OG forum.

it seems this general is less about "manifesting" and more about unlocking the mechaisms of reality and then manifesting

>>41129383
You "manifested" this world when you became aware that you were on it, and keep "manifesting" things and events on said world as you go.

>>41129398
It's like breathing or walking

https://youtube.com/shorts/gAkLDqTAt2Y

>>41129408
Yes! But it's actually you "imagining" that you're doing those things in a world, or a space where you seem localized.

>>41129413
I am sleeping and dreaming ALL the time

>>41129423
Hmm, the idea goes there, along that line of thinking, but i feel that language can get fussy with the concept at times. I mean
>I'm sleeping, always dreaming, even right now on the waking world.
Or
>I'm awake, at all times, even when i go to sleep and dream.
It's so simple, yet we can play around it with the idea a lot.

>>41129436
it's like the old philosophical question, "what if you are in a coma and dreaming without realizing it?"

>>41129511
Typical brain on a jar kind of stuff. I won't dream that tho, not my cup of tea.

https://youtube.com/shorts/AIoMytDL9m0?si=c9bybaAr-d7JrOMu

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Great insight of TG on the "method" situation.

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>>41129662
It would be funny that some based retard go ahead and buy the entire kiosk of carrots overnight to manifest some tiddies. Really liked that remark from this user.

>>41124174
>>41124168
What the fuck is this?

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>>41129795
World 4

Webm with sound: >>>/wsg/5977033

>>41129845
File error from the sound end. It eat up the audio for some reason. Anyway, allusion to a post made last thread >>41118731

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Lads, am struggling with the U.L, not in regards to comprehension, as J.P's style is good, but it feels daunting to push through the text, i really don't ever finish a book if i don't enjoy it, i only managed to get through a portrait, tried to get into A.F.G but ugh..

can i just read The Nature of Dream Control, by "The Cusp"?
an anon said there are other sources that give the truth in different ways

>>41129909
I can push my way through some chapters if i tried, but i can't see myself reading it all, especially given the time it requires to re read a lot of it to ensure comprehension

>>41129909
You don't necessarily have to read anything to have the truth revealed to you, y'know.

>>41129923
okay, this is ideal, thank you, i will just read the most relavent parts, there is also the FAQ parts which i assume are easier to read

>>41129923
This is a decent idea actually. You already know the remedies, right? You could proceed just simply doing the suggested daily sessions and see what happens.

>>41129952
I found a middle solution

>>41129952
How to manifest with UL by not doing sessions? I can do max 1-2 minutes due to personal reasons (health) and I'm trying to find a better way. Maybe just one intention and done?

>>41130107
Hmm... you can just "be". Observe your world with the faint intention of bringing your target. Also, 1 or 2 minutes is perfectly fine, ten is just a suggestion. Try to lay down, even in bed if is comfortable to you. Remember that creative visualization "on the go" is also an option, what matters is that you are doing it with intent.

https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3du9dh/synctv_the_owls_of_eternity/

"These are my posts, I will stop posting now, I need to sleep urgently. Monistic metaphysics is really easy.
The kybalion is awesome, tho, I have zero intention on shitting on it, it's concise, to the point, clear, understandable to a newbie, it's too good, really, but it's very superficial. If you want a real grasp of monistic metaphysics get your hands on Cristopher Isherwood's translation of the Vivekachudamani. It's not a "perfect" translation but it's fair enough."

Source: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/37708396/#37708537

This was posted by that same guy in that /UL/ general that was made in sept 2024. The guy that manifested practically infinite money since applying this stuff. I will def try and read this book and see where it leads me

>>41130166
>The guy that manifested practically infinite money since applying this stuff
No he didn't.

>>41130211
Well guys, pack it up, this anon debunked us, party's over.

>>41130211
So why you lurking if you don't believe in anything then

>>41130237
Why are you retarded?

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Am starting to get it, one thing can be everyhing, create everything and be the energy source and fabric of everything, even if it appears as small random and irrelavent part of the whole, but it's just the illusion of pervasivness

>>41130237
NTA but i think it makes perfect sense to remain cautious while "testing the waters" of what all of this implies. For instance, it will also depend on how further metaphysically inclined the user is. Although, as some post mentioned in the last thread, how is possible to get into things like general manifestation antics when there is a "limit"? For example, if you do a ritual asking the Archangel Gabriel to dispel the rain, and it works, it doesn't make sense that you could also ask some perceived deity some money or anything really? We could say that the extent of results is about to "see" how it can come about. Like, legit, intellectually understand in a way it clicks and you can absolutely see something like that happening. As far as the logic goes, is "inserting a fact" into your world.

>>41130243
You don't believe manifesting endless money is possible, so why are you here? so you can manifest a hug from sp or 500$?

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>>41124151
Hello, I think Castaneda stuff should be removed from these threads. I don't think you guys understand what Castaneda teaches or the fact that it takes a good 5 to 15 years to become a sorcerer.

When he talks about dreaming he's talking about doing magical passes in order to activate the you from your dreams and using that dream person to blast off into other dimensions. It's not about controlling your world or getting material goods.

That triumphant george post about Castaneda is retarded.
Will is a power you use that stems from a point beneath your belly button. Only sorcerers can use it. It's not available for average people. Sorcerers can literally shoot tentacles out of their will center and do stuff like fly or jump 50ft in the air.

Also when don Juan is talking about "the world is what we perceive" he's talking about using personal power to move a magical ball that hovers behind yiu called the assemblage point to alter reality and perceive different things.

Will and perception aren't connected unless you're a sorcerer and can move the assemblage point and skim through the various lines of emanations that run through the assemblage point that allow you to perceive different realities

Also different realities are whole new dimensions that don't involve material gain etc.

If you want the technique to dream its in the eagles gift. You can use that to lucid dream. Castaneda shares it while talking to La gorda

Hope That helps
Good luck anon

>>41130260
> You don't believe manifesting endless money is possible
Is that so?
> so why are you here?
I've already said earlier in the thread. Why do you suppose I'm here?
>so you can manifest a hug from sp or 500$?
I'm happily married and rich already.

>>41130268
>Hello, I think Castaneda stuff should be removed from these threads. I don't think you guys understand what Castaneda teaches or the fact that it takes a good 5 to 15 years to become a sorcerer.
>That triumphant george post about Castaneda is retarded.

Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh....You guys are ready to tear apart the sticky at any second, alright. Remember that Oneirosophy, at least their past users, used all sort of ideas to make sense of reality, having the foundation of, well, you already read the foundations.

Yes, your interpretation is correct. Yes, the interpretation of George is also right. Yes, what matters is (You)r interpretation because that is the fact you insert into your world.

>I don't think you guys understand what Castaneda teaches
I don't think you understand where you are. Don't worry about it, common mistake.
>it takes a good 5 to 15 years to become a sorcerer.
Thanks god i have no plans of doing such a thing!

As for the rest of your posts, is a nice story, and very interesting, as well you are welcome to share the details if you feel inclined to do so, but remember what this general is actually about. You previously tried to talk anons about UL in the former LoA general, and it didn't pan out because LoA has nothing to do with it. Fortunately, you can discuss Carlos stuff here, but always keep in mind the way our premise operate. We are Oneirosophers, we just want to do our own thing, or at least that would i say, at least i consider myself one, and it's actually this thread topic: Oneirosophy. You could also read "The Cusp" contributions, but i'm just going to assume (no pun intended) that you already made up your mind. Feel free to create a Castaneda general if you feel inclined to just discussing carlos, but he's in the OP for a good reason.

I hope that explanation is satisfactory. And if not... feel also free to share your thoughts on the matter.

>>41130107
You should try the smanon thing. You pretty much just have to hold one intention for a prolonged period of time.

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>>41130337
This guy kept it up for 50 years and remained hungry and homeless

>>41130302
It would be tiring to having to make a general for everything. While i haven't read just yet Carlos body of work myself, the sources just simply allude to him WAAAAAAY too much for me to casually ignore his stuff for this cause. He was a prominent figure in the ancient DreamViews forum, and one of TG main sources, a lot of concepts you will find in George and Cusp observations, are complemented by his stuff, that's that. The problem is, that i committed a mistake conflating the reddit Castaneda community with the present /one/ community, when further examination lead me to see our differences in goals and approach to the subject of the subjective experience, so i had to depart from it.

Oneirosophy uses every idea that the user find appealing, departing from the fundamental premise. That's also the reason why UL is there, but this is not a UL general, get it? Is also listed as "extra resources". Anyway, that's my reasoning to include him. He talks a lot about dreams, and it's just simply useful, that's all.

>>41130268
Oh, and just a tiny observation as well
>Also different realities are whole new dimensions that don't involve material gain etc.
When you go to a "reality", that reality can contain money, food, a nice environment, people, all sorts of things. The material world is made of the same substance as the "mental" one, if we just go with what this general is about. People on /x/ talk about "leaving the material realm", but if you stayed somewhere else new home, won't that become your "new material realm"? That's why i just had to cut ties with that group, it was a bad idea to begin with. Nothing wrong with it, but it has nothing to do with this. I don't want to incite another rivalry, i think the attempts of /LoA/ to be our cohorts are more than enough, but you get what i mean. No hard feelings.

>>41130353
Who?

>>41130379
This lead me to talk about the following. The reason why the present /LoA/ thread is like that, is because they were feeding off directly from /r/NevilleGoddard pointers, instead of reading the source material and trying to make sense of it, which lead a massive train wreck at the long term. A besides George and Cusp, an old acquaintance of mine used Carlos stuff to get results in manifestation just fine. Everything works, everything CAN work. The /LoA/ library has what some people consider adjacent stuff, and so does the /one/ resources part. While i know that at long term it won't matter, i just wanted to give from where i'm coming from and to where i'm pointing at.

It's your dream, whether you trow your life away, or use that fact to make your life better, is all up to you.

>>41130426
Some Indian/Hindu. Was a joke though.

>>41130524
Lmao just had a chuckle

>>41124197
Based

>>41130268
Are there any "to the point" videos/methods for Castaneda's lessons? I'm reading his works, but it's taking some time and I'd like to start doing things as soon as possible, getting that knowledge straight from experience, if that makes sense. I'm still unsure where to start. What would you guys personally recommend?

Also, speaking of Castaneda's works, I absolutely love them and they're fascinating. He kind of makes me feel like him in the first books, lost and overly logical. And Castaneda himself seems to me very Don Juan-esque as a writer. As in, he's talking "folly" and giggling while actually giving you a bunch of lessons you didn't even expect. He's definitely legit even when he isn't. Anyone else feels this when reading him?

>>41130803
>Are there any "to the point" videos/methods for Castaneda's lessons?
There are some videos over in sorcery media YT channel, the tensegrity and magical passes DVD's series, they may be of interest: https://www.youtube.com/@Sorcery_Media/videos
There's also a decent guide on the /r/Castaneda wiki about the subject, as well as the complete works linked on the OP. NTA, maybe he could give you a more detailed answer.

Alright anons, what's the biggest thing you confidently think you can get a return of in a day? Anybody here who's confident they can fly or teleport?

>>41131965
> fly or teleport?
Preposterous!

>>41131965
>fly or teleport?
I'm not sure of that

>>41129662
which exercises is he referring to here?

>>41132255 (me)
noting, I knew about the 'lying down and just Decide' exercise but I was curious about the apparent second one, since I'm not seeing it listed in the old.reddit sidebar

>>41132255
>>41132304
nevermind me, it must be the two glasses exercise
carry on :P

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Well, it's not perfect, but here it is
>Triumphant George - Posts Compedium
https://rentry.org/tt9btrp3
I decided to leave it only at his posts, as his comments are really scattered, and it's way too much imo. But if anyone want to undertake the herculean task to "expand it", here's an old .txt >>41127129 with some scrambled parts of a lot of things TG, and here's https://files.catbox.moe/16qq75.txt the pre-formatted one used for rentry. That's all for now, cheers.

>>41124942
Try harder glowie cunt

>>41124942
Much Harder SATAN SEED!

so with the U.L i can actually materalize things out of thin air?

>>41134860
No

>>41134889
it seemed that was what J.P was saying in advanced financial gains, unless it was a metaphore, but i have not finished it

>>41134899
finished*

Since this thread is heavy on George, does any anon with a reddit account want to link him here? He must've had some new insights since 10 years ago...maybe.

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>>41124151
>dream wisdom
You gonna die, over and over.

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>>41124151
>dream wisdom
Oh, fuck...

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>>41124151
>dream wisdom
Thanks!!!! Gonna be that, way, eh?

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>>41124151
>dream wisdom
What a way to start my day, OP. Thanks, mother fuckin whore.

>>41134899
>>41134860
you're retarded

>>41134974
TG literally lives in his parents basement

>>41135029
Last night I dreamed that I was being chased through a ruinous city of rubble by tanks and soldiers with guns. The farther I ran, the deeper and more numerous the piles of dead bodies became until eventually I was wading knee deep through a multitude of corpses. Exhausted, I collapsed at last and when I looked up I saw my brother. I told him to be quiet and we laid there as if dead in the hopes that the soldiers and tanks would pass us by.
>Gaza?

>>41136142
>there is no point of doing that practice if you don't have the conviction
Belief doesn't create reality. Haven't we gone over this?

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Anons, I hate to sound like i am attempting to countersignale J.P but it's getting haaard to push through the U.L, his explanation is all nice and good and i can see he is trying his best to explain all the abstract mechanics and make it all tie up, but it feels like such a chooooore, i know i am repeating myself with this, sorry, i have read a portrait and got into advanced financial gains and ugh, i am at my limits, i am thinking of stopping here and start doing the practice that was mentioned at the end of a portrait but i heard an anon saying there is no point of doing that practice if you don't have the conviction which would naturally come from reading J.P's text

sorry for whinning and repeating myself, thanks for any advice in advance

EDITED

>>41136154
not trying to bring the new-thought logic to this general, but i have heard things like that from U.L-fags
*

>>41136159
It could also be in part that i have been sleep deprived for several days by now, hence effecting my ability to push through the text

>>41136154
I thought that was important 'cause J.P spends a lot of time explaining the mechanisms and backing up his claims

The fuck was the knife doing? Why are they cutting newborns?

This place must be dead

>>41136197
That's because he's an idiot.
>>41136171
That's because they're idiots.

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>>41124485

>>41136264
I am really no expert at this, just a man who started reading the U.L a few days ago

Currently reading a book you guys might be interested in: Les Rêves et les moyens de les diriger (Dreams and How to Direct Them), Léon d'Hervey de Saint-Denys, 1867

>>41136159
You're low I.Q/attention span fried zoomer
Go read Abraham Hicks or something

>>41130803
I'll explain the Castaneda material as succinctly as I can. The first 3 books are garbage. They were written while he had no access to his second attention (magical consciousness). They do have techniques but they're all jumbled. You should speed read or skim them to get to the good books.

The 4th book Tales of power to the 9th book the art of dreaming , he starts explaining sorcery. They're full of amazing techniques and spell out the sorcerer path completely.

The 10th book magical passes he teaches special movements that will allow you to become a sorcer without a teacher. These movements are known as magical passes or tensegrity. They were made into 4 dvds. The magical passes dvd and the 3 volume tensegrity dvds available for free on youtube.

Books 11 and 12 are worthless shit unless you're a sorcerer and then they become extremely valuable. They fill in the gaps of what you should be doing once you can go into other dimensions.

In order to become a sorcerer in modern times solo you need 2 things. Those movements (magical passes and tensegrity) plus a dark room to do then in.

When you do the movements you'll unlock energetic systems in your body. When you do them in the dark over time (weeks and months) you'll start seeing colored clouds in the dark. These clouds become purple and you stuff the clouds into your liver, kidney and other organs. This will unlock your dream body as well as give you magical powers.

While you unlock these magical powers you refer back to the books and r/Castaneda to make sense of where you're at.

Hope that helps
Good luck anon.

>>41136821
>The 10th book magical passes he teaches special movements that will allow you to become a sorcer without a teacher.
The movements don't actually do anything though. You become a sorcerer in name only, unfortunately.

>>41136821
While you're unlocking the energetic systems and doing dark room you'll run into space ghosts called iobs (inorganic beings). They have one goal and that's to imprison you in they're magical planet.

Sorcerers deal with them because they'll do an exchange with you. You give them some of that magical power you're gaining and in exchange they'll give you free lessons on whatever you want to learn or give you dark energy that you can use to go along the sorcerer path faster.

When you first run into them they'll test you by scaring the fuck out of you. Yiu have to remain fearless or they'll just keep scaring the shit out of you in order to get your magical power for free.

They'll show up as monster clowns, giant spiders or whatever scare you.

My first encounter with one. I was laying in bed asleep. I had woke up to pee. I felt a tap on my shoulder. I turned around and there was a human sized demonic doll laying beside me with razor sharp dolls and huge black eyes. I told it I needed to sleep and to get back to me in the morning. I rolled over and went back to sleep. It stopped trying to scare me.

From there on out it invaded my dreams where I started interacting with it.

You don't need iobs though. They're a shortcut. You can keep progressing using your own personal power or finding other sources of energy.

Good luck anon.

>>41130803
Also I forgot to mention you can get a quick overview by reading Tanisha abelars book.
https://www.amazon.com/Sorcerers-Crossing-Womans-Journey-Compass/dp/0140193669

As somebody who generally doesn't like reading fiction, is Castaneda going to be tolerable?

>>41136821
> dude just read these 9-12 books and practice what they say and you'll gain magical powers
> it's real this time, I swear