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>>41139783
OP you know its illegal to distribute classified military blueprints right?

>>41139783
No, anon. No one knows

>>41140292
Who's saying you didn't coincidentally come up with the same idea? And it just needs to be the effect, no need for the full description of the craft.

>>41140301
Confirms they're all larping

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>>41139783
I am too dumb to understand the details, but from what I’ve gleaned, anti-gravity tech involves donuts and spinning liquid mercury really *really* fast.

>>41140340
It's not anti gravity. UAPs don't make noise or disturb the air in any way. They might use a warp bubble to travel or some kind of space between spaces shit.

>>41140509
>might
please see the op post for details. this thread involved ACTUAL physics thank you

>>41139783
That kind of information is kept secret. There is a Bob Lazar video of him explaining how it works, go try to find that somewhere. He explains the whole propulsion system, there, you're welcome OP.

>>41139783
sure.

materials- recall how when molten glass is inflated, it takes on material properties which are different than if that same molten glass was allowed to cool slowly in a mold. the process of inflation imparts a stretching, and therefore strengthening, force on the molten glass molecules. in a similar process to metals, when they are stretched, heated, and quenched in various combinations, they can soften, harden, springify and all other manner of changes to the same base metal. changes in the blends are possible, but the overall concept is that when these materials are rapidly quenched from heat, they undergo a hardening process similar to the formation of bainite crystal formation in metals. the technical term is amorphous metals or amorphous alloys, meaning that the molten/hot material is cooled so fast that it is measured in millions+ degrees celsius per second. imagine water freezing so rapidly that crystal shapes did not have a chance to form.

when applied to organometallic alloys of inconel and similar nickel/copper alloys, the addition of some glassing alloys, a rapid cool quenching system using liquid nitrogen, and a molted sheet extruder sets up a situation where a more or less hardshell blimp is made by melting a specific alloy for the application, inflating it into a mold, then rapidly cooling the final part. entire airframes can be made in one go.

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>>41139783
>No "it flies with antigravity"-- explain how they produce antigravity and a way we can independently verify it. If you say element 115, tell us what isotope, and tell us how it's used. If you bring up mercury, pull up the magnetohydrodynamics equations and show us how fast it would need to be spinning to make enough current, and how they could spin it that fast. Don't show me a schematic in German that just says "magical part that does all the crazy shit" on it with no explanation.

>>41140550

the airframes you see which are more of a freeform design, those are made in a large silicone carbine mold which has been ground and polished to a mirror finish. when the alloy sheets are installed in the mold, inflation takes place, and the material is forced into the final shape. this is done for crew compartments, structural items, etc...

the material itself is remarkably thin, barley that of a notecard. the high tensile strength, alloying process using a cavitation mixer, and other processes make a high durability, lightweight, and multipurpose material. specifically, similar to how conventional airplanes install fuel tanks along the wing structure, struts and other items in these hardshell blimps are used to contain one of the main fuels- cubane.

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>>41140571

I forgot to mention you have to go lookup these new words I use on your own.

fuels- cubane is the most basic of the fuels used. it is a hydrocarbon formed in a, you guessed it, cube shape. what this does is allows for an incredibly dense hydrocarbon fuel source which is molecularly perfect, meaning you aren't burning shit fuel, and the energy density is so high that your airframe which weighs around 2% of a traditional airframe when you use hardshell inflated amorphous metals in your design means that you can also get away with using lower power engines.

cubane can be boosted in a manner similar to how zipp fuels were made by adding boron, zinc, and other toxic metals to the fuel of an engine to boost performance significantly. these were used up until the korean war, by then the toxic downwind effects were well known. in the cubane fuel regime however, similar additives are used to increase the effective brisance of the material, meaning how rapidly it combusts, by using radiolysis as the method of combustion. this is different than the normal technique of using a flame to ignite the fuel. cubane itself is remarkably difficult to ignite, which means safe, but it does require microwave emission to effectively get it to burn. it burns so fast it is technically an explosion, sometimes referred to as hyperbrisant fuels.

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>>41140512
It's pretty obvious that nobody knows. The government would absorb anyone who does

>>41140604

engines- from here, it is more or less typical jet engine turbines, except made with, no surprise, amorphous metals. the interesting part is the ducted and active surfaces. similar to what you see in vtol aircraft where the engine can be aimed, the main engines on your ufos are centrally located and are essentially giant air compressors which then is ducted around the aircraft based on the pilot commands. suction on the topside is achieved by using a microdimple surface with small holes, creating an effective giant suction port, but also a giant negative pressure zone which would otherwise have been made with airflow over a wing, as is traditional. in this case, the dimpled surface topside allows for a similar effect to golfballs in flight, reducing drag. ducting of pressurized air along the leading wing edges also allows to lubricate the plane in rapid flight, as there are also options for converting the air to plasma immediately prior to discharge across the hull. this aids in drag reduction and other neat effects.

from there, the lower surface is the same as the upper, except engine and compressor exhaust can vtol and hover the craft for nearly an entire day. forward thrust is made mainly by a central rear jet, but it is not absolutely necessary, as the dimple/hole surfaces can be biased in their flowrates to tilt and roll the craft, allowing a sort of drift forward flight mode.

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>>41140645

phononic surfaces- one of the interesting developments in the newer craft is applying ultrasonic vibration to the outer hull, since it aready has significant rigidity. controlling the flow of the ultrasonic emitters along the hull surfaces allows for increased control over noise reduction due to the emitted engine noise and airflow noise inherent with this design. youll notice nasa released some designs based on this to counteract the sonic boom of an airplane, more or less making a sort of noice cancelling headphone approach where the emitted noise from the aircraft is countered by the emitted phononic surface capability of the craft. this makes it seem to be silent, but to anyone who has spent time around ultrasonics, it is true that we cannot hear those pitches, but we can hear when they intersect with other frequencies we can hear, and cause them to have that high pitch static chirp feel.

that, along with the goofy light show, is most of what people report when they see a ufo, totally typical stuff that anyone on a ground or flight crew working with those craft know on a day to day basis. the other ones, those are ayylmaos.

go look up and read about new words in there. I'll hang around for a bit and answer bullshit.

5/5 I guess.

Electro magnetohydrodynamics i think but I'm not an engineer

>>41140604
>zipp fuel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_fuel

typo. its also silicon carbide. dilligaf spell check.

>>41140671
just to be clear; you're saying that UFOs run on fancy gasoline and jet engines? Fuck off

>>41140702

>the other ones, those are ayylmaos.

I'm tawkin bout TR-3, TR-3B, TR-4, and the new aspen hyper series of craft. 90% of what you guys see are what discussing here. get fresh. you don't like how they are built and that they run on, as you said

>fancy gasoline engines

muhfugga, if you had one of those engines in your car, you would shit your ass out your mouth from the torque kicking your ass upside down and backwards into your grave from popping a wheelie that fucking fast, you fucking dingleberry.

>>41140731
how does that explain instantaneous acceleration and no effect on the atmosphere from said acceleration?

>>41139783
It's the 3D "shadow" of higher dimensional "technology". It's basically higher density information/energy manifesting directly where it needs to be in spacetime. The trick was never to go faster than light, but to completely transcend the matrix and pop back in where one wants to.

>>41140731
I think that’s the big problem anon. These craft are capable of maneuvers that would simply kill the occupants if they did not have some form of control over inertia. This is where Gravitics technology comes into play. It cancels the inertia, keeping the occupants safe while they pull 3000 Gs,

>>41140786
did I forget to mention the active surfaces? no, I didn't. notice how I mention the airflows can be ducted around the surface, creating a drift effect based on the tilt of the craft. when in forward flight, using the main rear jet engine, the forward sections of the outer hull can be, and are, used as suction inlets, meaning what you see as suction inlets on a jet engine are puny, these engine inlets run the entire length of the wing edge, upper surface, and sections of the lower surface. when combined with plasma coverage of the slipstream ports on the leading edge, exhausting compressed air, in plasma form, over a dimpled surface, with an active phononic surface to vibrate that surface, it flies really fucking fast, man.

the airframes are maybe 5% that or a comparable size aircraft and payload, in addition to using cubanes as the fuels, allowing for either long mission duration, or flying really fucking fast. these can get to low earth orbit, man.

space planes. lookemup.

>>41140818
>These craft are capable of maneuvers

yup, and dumb people on the ground also get retinal burn from staring at the crafts, especially if they have their plasma units on. when flying away, the lights are turned off, leading the dumbass dipshit dumbfuck dingleberry think they saw ayylmaos.

ayylmaos have their own craft, most of them are nano ufo drones. that's why cixin liu's book got published, the whole thing about the trisolaran nano ufos was a release of that. small pockets smart dust. you couldn't photograph or see them if you wanted to.

>>41140702
>fancy gasoline

hydrocarbon fuel is free in outer space btw. super great chemical storage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholin

humans could go out there and harvest all the hydrocarbon fuel they could ever need on earth, even and especially if they need it remotely for outposts. you have to source your own oxidizer, but the neat part is you can just leave the combustion products out in sunlight and they will eventually reform into tholinic fuel. ayylmao larger ships keep a lot of that on hand. the occasional harvesting of it by visitors to our solar system was how they were first picked up. their nano drones send back telemetry, video, all that shit.

the more you know.

>>41140550
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>>41140671
OP here. Thanks Anon, I really appreciate it. I admit I don't know enough to fully appreciate what you've wrote, but I'll start slowly looking all this stuff up. This stuff sounds pretty cool.

>>41140828
So is that how it drastically reduces drag-- by basically having holes in the front so air hitting it can go through those holes and get redirected? Plus vibrating the skin? Can you tell me more about what they use the air-turned-into-plasma for? I think you explained it but I don't have the background knowledge.

>>41139783
There is no "gravity".
It works with electromagnetic fields (and has somehow to do with mercxpvwgury).

>>41140921

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth

soviets did it for stealth tech, noticed that it has the nasty habit of being good at radar stealthy, but the emitted radiation from the plasma itself glows enough for imaging equipment to pick it up, negating the entire point. it also had the surprise, or not, effect of making the plane go faster.

the dimpled surface is what you can get in watching a youtube video about golfball dimples. for phononics, you might want to watch this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MJstxNDQM

vibrating the surface makes the air sort of skitter off it, preventing the ability for the air gases to stick to and adhere to the craft surface in flight. having plasma there helps it. it is more or less a lubrication system for the plane. ducting the air around the surface helps and you'll be able to find plenty of remote control plane people doing the same idea.

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>>41140943
mercury

>>41140948

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_metamaterial

forgot that part. those are the applied results of phononics. those acoustic metamaterial structures are used in the sound dampening sections of the craft, more or less the bulk areas. they are the metal-on-piezo design style in the video above.

>>41140921
also hyg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_actuator

those are the slits in the hull where the plasma is emitted over the hull in fast flight. some patches are larger than others, helping stability

>>41141036
this article really ties the post together. I'll hang around for another hour or so before jannies archive or delete it now.

I think I'll start talking about the computer system on the newer craft. pure optical. you need that for leaving the planet reliably, due to the radiation belts. a pure optical analog computer and control system doesn't get bit flips or software bugs. one and done.

>>41139783
oh dang, just found out this exists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingless_Electromagnetic_Air_Vehicle

that is more or less the design of the craft I've been blathering about. they don't have the amorphous materials or cubane fuels, but their design is more or less the same.

>>41140948
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>>41141085
I think it makes sense now. So it turns air into ionized plasma then uses multiple techniques of moving it around and preventing it from hitting the surface of the craft too much to both reduce drag and use the airflow to accelerate it using a pressure difference?
Does this method increase the terminal velocity a ton, or is there now no terminal velocity?
Let's say I had a way to accelerate a plane that didn't involve air. How would you recommend I reduce drag as much as possible? Would it be to just do this stuff with the bonus of having it also accelerate it, or is there a more direct way to try to just get rid of drag? Sorry for the naive question.

>>41139783
Go watch Ashton Forbes sperg out about it on Youtube like an arrogant fag for a couple of hours for his reference material.

>>41141145
4 phases of matter we work with, solid, liquid, gas, plasma. we measure those, alongside the pressure of the surrounding area to determine what temperature those happen at. when looking at tech like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdmmjreVA8

that torpedo operates on the principle that having a steam bubble surrounding a torpedo helps it to achieve a higher top speed, despite using a similarly sized engine to a torpedo which does not form its own warp bubble. that is a crude design the russians have, the shkval, but it illustrates the point. if traveling in liquid, try to make a gas bubble. if traveling in gas, try to make a plasma bubble.

from there, its all steerage. also, colder air is more dense, and therefore harder to wedge apart in flight, so there is still that penalty, but in the upper atmosphere where the air is less dense, there are every reason in the world to make use of every option on the table to accelerate a craft to escape velocity while it still has air to push off of and breathe for the main engines. they can coast to the upper regions of low earth orbit.

see the x-37b series of spaceplanes. those are rocket launched drones, but they are also designed to dock with and service any of the crafts I describe when they are on extended missions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercavitation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37

>>41139783
It's lame and gay but https://uaptheory.com/ has been the best non-schizo explanation I've seen.

>ayys use light to manipulate spacetime
>it's why they are blurry
>it's also why they have funny lights

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>>41139783
There was an interview where Tom Delonge did say UFOs are not transversing space time but traveling through consciousness.

>>41141206
I remember reading this. I like how they talk about the relation between gravity and information/entanglement/entropy. That stuff has been on my reading list lately for other reasons.

>>41141182
That makes sense. Is the x-37b the one where they released a video from it a year or so ago and it was big news?
I know it's probably risky, but you mentioned ayylmaos-- are those real? And how much stuff do we have set up in space?

>>41141282
And before you go since it's been around an hour, if you are willing to stay in touch, can you contact me at rew3zge43xtn34z3g AT proton.me?

>>41139783
theres different paradigms of use. your picture here for example uses 3 coils of atomized gold that conduct electricity without resistance to created a superconductive electromagnetic field that with a tripod of coils can freely move within other em field bubbles. this shit was patented in 1987 its not new news yo

>>41141395
That makes sense. Does it just have a really high critical current then? How do they make monatomic gold?

>>41141419
Also, what about the critical magnetic field?

current physics are outdated to explain UFOs, they do not behave like a car

>>41141419
>https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/
>critical current then
what dose this even mean, superconductive is a concise term that in this instance means an electrical circuit with 0 resistance or lode.
>How do they make monatomic gold?
you dont make it you sift very large quantities of alkaline spring water, its not a hard rule but generally the higher the elevation of the springs the better.

>>41141419
did some brushing up on terms, my ufo phase was like 15 years ago... and i dont actually know about the operating limits of the coils sorry, i know they were not cold though, shit was glowing red hot.

>>41141926
well white hot with like a yellow orange glow?

>>41141912
>not knowing about critical current
Anon...

>>41141934
>>41141926
yes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xESw4NWqB6k
@12 minutes. You wanna know how antigrav works, there it is.

Buddy I don't think my brain could even understand it even if a literal alien came into my apartment and explained it to me. Something to do with mercury, current, and electromagnetic fields? Not sure how magnetic fields could bend gravity though. Now that I think about it I don't think anyone on earth actually understands of magnetism works. Sure we can observe it and see how it behaves but we have no idea what the fuck is actually happening in the quantum or whatever level, I feel like we are at this stage with the antigravity technology also, but the twist is we don't know even know how to create it. Ayyys sure seem to know.

>>41141926
Thanks Anon, no worries. I assume they just have fancy superconductors and really good cooling.

>>41141955
>Not sure how magnetic fields could bend gravity though
Gravity isn't real. You're working off of a flawed model so of course things aren't going to make sense.

>>41141955
Fair point. I wonder if magnetic monopoles will ever end up existing. I also think that EM-based lift and gravity-warping would be different because it'd be near-impossible to get so much EM energy you warp gravity.

>>41141954
I'll have to look into this. I don't understand it atm

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To understand "anti gravity" you need to understand flat-earth physics.
What pulls things to the surface is not gravity, it's the electromagnetic fiel that all things have. So to fly you don't need to create a field, you have to detach the object from the field interaction with earth.

>>41142032
Thread derailment

>>41140292
Shut up moron. All needed informations were published freely long ago, atleast in german books.
Thats how russian engineers got all info they needed to build antigrav submarines.
Got this info from one of the engineering team.

Now go back to basing your coke pedo.

>>41142048
No, it's some real information.
You're forgiven for not understanding and mocking it.

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>>41142032
Hit them with a loud 450hz signal and they go down to the ground like a sack of stones including the neo-ashkenazi inside lol.

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>>41141962
but this was one meme about triangles with 3 points of light, what do you think of 115 lasting more then a millisecond or some such?

>>41142118
The alternating layers in the pic seem interesting, since in a couple ideas I've had for things, thin alternating layers end up being good for stuff.
Maybe element 115 is in the island of stability somewhere, or maybe it instantly decays but that decay makes a special type of particle, but until someone gives specifics I'm not believing it.

>>41141322
me again. I might email you, but and don't need a penpal it isn't much more info than what I have here, and besides, unless you are posting here to catch rubes and see who is blabbing about all the new tech, we won't have much to talk about. the new spaceplanes are cool and it fucking hilarious to watch everyone here do shit like

>muh mercury
>electricity
>uhh
>spin it real fast
>hurr durr that's how ufos fly

come on, that's bullshit. show how it works or not. I showed the essential design elements of the new spaceplanes and none of the other chuckleheads even know how the insides of their hypothetical ayylmao crafts work. lame.

from fuels to materials, we work with precisely the same atoms and physical constraints as the ayylmaos. when we make a craft which operates on the same principles that they are subject to, don't be surprised that airplanes on their planet look a whole lot like airplanes on our planet, small differences in design and aesthetics aside. its just how we sail out there.

you'll like my favorite paper

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=136922

I post this in a few /x/ places occasionally. the authors are interesting, I just learned their lead author sued wiley publishing because he was trying to publish proof of ayylmaos with scientific backup and sensor measurements. search around the 4plebs archive where I describe them more.

>>41142174
>since in a couple ideas I've had for things
care to share?
also if your not already aware for a fun read look up - lanthanum stability discrepancy -

>>41139783
Helium. Its obviously a fucking weather balloon.

>>41142118
so this is a composite or spray-on technique for the amorphous metals I mentioned above. what this approach does is keep one side of the metal workpiece down to extremely low temperatures, and then do a version of molecular ion beam epitaxy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular-beam_epitaxy

to build up the layers, spray paint style more or less. different regions can be sprayed to become a structural element, then blended into another sprayed on alloy region to be more bendy and flexible. it allows for making a monocoque hull design by doing an inverse molding processs, where cold pipes are sprayed with material, rather than a cold mold is inflated with bulk sheets.

either way, you get high tensile strength metals, an easy working surface, freeform shapes, etc... and it is incredibly strong, all one piece, meaning no need for welds, rivets, etc... much stronger that way, less material used, and more lightweight in the end.

>>41142292
how the organometallic substrates are installed on the hull structure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalorganic_vapour_phase_epitaxy

>>41140550

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Sure thing Anon!

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19800010907/downloads/19800010907.pdf

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I'm confident that asymmetric capacitor arrangements can produce thrust. The thrust can be very powerful depending on which dielectric material is used, the higher the dielectric constant of the material, the greater thrust can be produced, but there are other factors too. Pulsated DC is generally used and of high frequency pulsing. The higher the frequency of the pulses the better it works apparently. It also works better the higher the voltage supposedly. One needs to be proficient with high voltage applications to be able to get it to work.
The bottom part of the Fluxliner/ARV is such a capacitor arrangement, powered to like a million volts it can generate immense thrust. The copper plates are immersed in something like glass or crystal and they are staggered, so the negative plates are not directly under the positive plates but at an angle to them, although the plates are all horizontally flat in arrangement.

Did they release any high resolution close-up photos of the buga sphere? I know it looks like a hoax but I'm curious if such pictures exist, they absolutely should exist.

>>41142494
older designs are built up from components as you describe. newer crafts, like the aspen hyper variants out now do a monocoque buildup technique I describe above with amorphous materials. the glass/copper mix you mention is alternated between the inconel copper/nickel/chromium mixes to achieve the same effect. different types of quartz is sprayed, epitaxy style as described above, to the hull and structural components to impart the properties you describe. spraying gold and copper mixes in a molecular ion beam expitaxy approach creates a more perfect version of the capactitors you describe. instead of laying on sheets of material made on their own, just do various types of thermal spray techniques to make the hull and structural components, for example adding titanium to the thermal/ion beam spray phase of construction will impart more structural properties, while embedding ribbons of copper will create electrical conduction paths without the need for using traditional copper wires for electrical circuits. its all built in.

I'll keep the post up and come around during the day to post more stuff.

>>41142494
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inconel#Aerospace
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monel#Aerospace_applications

those two principle materials are used a sort of base mix to which other materials are applied. the amorphous heat treatment process further improves the performance of inconel/monel alloys used in newer craft, but most of it has to do with existing infrastructure for the general population for those two materials, making it easier to cloak the purchase and working of it by various aerospace companies and organizations building these craft.

superior materials certainly exist, but those are good enough.

>>41143415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellite

this is the material the turbine blades have to be made of to take the abuse of burning cubane fuels, especially octocubane.

>>41143445
>octocubane
these are catch-all terms for the types of cubane fuels I started the posts with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octanitrocubane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMX

octagen, different nitrogen/argon/neon additives to the base cubane molecule, etc... all impart different effects. when stored in a cold crystalline form, the fuel feed stock is ran through one of these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_mill

to atomize it down to the individual molecule, which it is then combusted via radiolysis mentioned above using microwave emitters in the combustion chamber. each of those fuels are technically explosives, but when they are cold stored and cold grinded before delivery to the engine, the motive gas to do that grinding can be changed.

for example, running plain cubanes in an engine, air milled by the propulsion compressor output, will be a default flame configuration. injection of neon, for example, will cause the exhaust to glow, or acetyline, liquid methane, boron, etc... has a secondary fuel injector, firing fuels, or just heating the fuck out of them in the engine for different reasons.

liquid argon is a good choice for final boost phase when leaving the atmosphere, combining with the liquid oxygen storage tanks for onboard oxidizer storage and powdered cubane as the main fuel for off planet flights.

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>>41143487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6FMjOl0TRA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blown_flap

these are the slats I keep mentioning, similar design. on the craft you are asking about, these are the areas where some of the propulsion compressor exhaust is sent, since it has a tendency to recycle in the engine by sometimes sucking in some percentage of the lubrication stream pumped over the hull by those blown flap slats. running the plasma units when doing that has the benefit of radar cross section reduction, drag reduction, and surprisingly good for helping the cubane fuels burn, since having some super high temperature pockets of gas being sucked into the combustion chamber reduces the need for as much microwave radiation to achieve thermolysis of the fuel.

>>41143587
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_layer_control

its all about that. ultrasound vibration, plasma sheaths, slipstream gases, dimple surfaces, tiny suction inlets over the entire surface, all of that makes for a slick, fast, and energy efficient craft built with high strength materials resulting in a large payload capacity and off planet spaceplane capability in one simple package.

thats most of your ufo sightings. ayylmaos use nano drones.

>>41139783
gravity isnt real. its electromagnetism.

>>41143587
running a plane design like this, and adding another edf thruster, or just a normal propeller, makes for a very fast and very efficient plane which can short takeoff, make its own slipstream, and transition to extremely high speeds for the same amount of power. vidrel was an example of flying only under the power of the slipstream, meaning it makes up around 30% of the total propulsion of the craft, adding ducted thrusters like jet engines or active surfaces takes up the rest, leading to high speeds, better fuel use, and all kinds of other bonuses. heavy liftoff on short takeoff, easy climb to altitude, then a downslope transition to active surface flight is typical, although taking off under active surfaces happens just as often.

highly versatile. as you can see in the video, you could make an rc version for yourself at home for cheap, follow his build, and make your own version and have a lot of fun with it. one cool thing to do is make a rigid core hollow cell foam structure, covered in tape as he did, making a simple setup such that you can run a ducted fan tucked completely in the core of an rc hobby plane, and then poke holes and cut slits in the tape hull to balance the airflow in the backyard. if you overcut a spot, just slap on another piece of tape. kapton tape is good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapton#Spacecraft

also, if you can afford sheets of kapton, making a mold for it, carbon fiber or fiberglass style, where you use spray glue between layers, makes it force into that shape when you fill it with expanding foam. then, you do the same technique with the tape mentioned above to balance out airflow.

a hobby level 3-axis cnc machine can easily cut the hullforms for something like that. you would enjoy that. go make yourself a TR-3 spaceplane, rc hobby scale, incorporating as much as you can see here, but don't use cubane fuels. that would be terrible.

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>>41143603
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_Cormorant

picrel is a modern implementation of all the stuff I've been blathering about. the east coast UFO flap earlier this year was a test deployment of cormorants from some SSGN submarines, which are converted nuclear ballistic missile submarines to carry upwards of 100 guided missiles, or just as many cormorant drones.

the wacky flight characteristics, ocean ascent and descent, all that with the lights and stuff were these cormorant drones. the inflatable toy looking things people found in trees were radar decoys deployed by cormorants in their plasma stealth sheets. the radar reflector balloons were an operational test of both the ground and ship based phased array radar systems and the new scalar interferometer defense weapons now installed on the east cost. the cormornats themselves proved to be mostly immune to those radar systems, short the times when they went around without their plasma units on, and when they also dropped their decoys. this shows that adversary defense systems will not only not see the cormorants during their attack, and their submarine delivery and recovery, in addition to their decoys, meaning their weapons delivery is unstoppable.

any questions?

>>41139783
It's powered by braaps
It's why they abducted people all the time until they learned that cows produce more methane and used them instead.

They still take humans for their braaps farms.

>>41139783
Umm, sweatie, if anyone here knew how those UFOs actually worked, they would have become billionaires and would be having orgies with dozens of supermodels right now, not posting on a Tajikistanian yak milking website.

>>41139783
Just watch bob lazar bro

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>>41139783

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQpH1-WnIYM

glowies will respond to this to discount bearden, but he knows what he is talking about.

the reason it's secret:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoKStzPOKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW44J7jaGgs

when they talk about "nukes"
this is what they're talking about.

>>41142032
Earth is round

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If alienbs are so smart why do they keep crashing into the planet, seems like a rudimentary mistake.

Anti gravity core that uses the same incredibly dense elements found in the core of the earth. These elements do not appear on the surface because they are so heavy. They are layerd upon eachother in the same partern formed in the core of the earth. We are talking material the size of a tennis ball that weighs as much as the moon.

>>41142277
Fair enough. I really appreciate you showing this stuff. Are you safe because you only show stuff that's already public info?
Have you heard people in your work talk about plasmoids, or is it all from this paper? You also mention the ayylmaos sometimes; is there more you can tell me about them, or is that too dangerous?
>>41142281
Really naive stuff. Just attempts at making moving using Earth's EM fields feasible.
That's interesting. Do you have an idea about what causes that?
>>41142290
That could admittedly be useful for keeping at a certain altitude
>>41142292
>>41142298
That sounds so neat. Are you in materials engineering?

>>41142329
I'll have to read through this. Seems like they're assuming some stuff about the holographic theory that could be why the information of black holes seems to be 2D, and a unified field theory where EM waves can do stuff if they're in resonance with graviton waves. However, they even say we'd need to prove those things to prove the idea, and we still haven't proved those things. Admittedly I feel like we're getting closer, though.
>>41142494
I think this too, but even with just two capacitors a distance apart to utilize the force from a grad E. I remember seeing some claims about asymmetric capacitors, so I'll have to research why they're better. The pulsed DC is interesting to me; I had a similar idea, but in that one the charge in the capacitors themselves aren't important and it's the current that matters, but in that design you'd also eventually run out of the ability to pulse the current because the capacitors would either get completely discharged or completely full.

>>41143382
That reminds me a bit of an old video I saw from Lockheed(?) where they said the craft's skin can carry information through it and morph a bit.
>>41143415
I didn't ever think about the MIC having to disguise their purchases.
>>41143445
>>41143487
That's neat. I don't have enough background knowledge to understand it though, lol.

>>41143603
What do you think the nano drones are for? Just sensors to do various surveys and research like humans do to monkeys or the environments monkeys happen to be in?
>>41143770
I'll have to try that out sometime. Thank you for showing me. I'd been looking for how to reduce drag a ton for quite some time.
>>41143811
How do they have wacky flight characteristics? Is it more in how they move the air around and glide on it than any "novel" propulsion method?
One question I have is how much stuff we have set up in space. Kind of reminds me of the planet dirt guy that posted on here and fark, etc.

>>41145372
True
>>41145384
He always avoids the important stuff by saying he has a headache
>>41145404
Currently watching this
>>41146041
Do you know what the material is?

>>41145404
7 minutes in and it's starting to feel iffy.
>talks about going back to Maxwell's earlier ideas with a lot more stuff they can work with, but then doesn't explain how this would still work within QFT when QED works so well. Even if it came from a more unified force that would get symmetry broken into electroweak and something else, you would have a new force you'd see (unless it was at very high energy scales, admittedly). And if QED was different, you would have to make up the difference by having some other force be different (which could maybe be true, but again he'd have to explain it).
>says "energy is actually conserved in 4 dimensions," even though energy is time-momentum in SR. Is he also throwing away SR without explaining how things will still work out in the end?

>>41139783
Here's a hot new bullshit conspiracy for you. All UFO sightings are faked by the government in order to try to bait genius schizos in to showing how it could be done. UFO features are a wishlist and sightings are job postings.

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>>41145767

Tesla was rumored to have made near instantaneous travel by utilizing Resonant Frequencies and special alloys. There is also the principle of very High Frequency electro levitation. You can actually create a scale craft at home with HF electricity, tinfoil, and a cardboard triangle.
Notice this craft is triangular, and there are bright glowing spots in the 3 corners, and center? In Electro levitation that is exactly how you make a more stable levitating object, and having an onboard computer that can control each of the voltages and frequencies of the electricity in order to keep such a craft stable.

>>41146389
it is at very high energy scales. it's all about increasing energy density. if you look at various claims over the years you'll see they are increasing energy density through a variety of ways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

it's the most open secret in the world. just start following the science and you can learn all about it.

>>41148275
in fact, marconi, using teslas patents, in his original radio design, was registering faster than light transmissions.

>>41148338
Tesla claimed that instant transmission could cause retrograde amnesia, so on their supposed travels he left notes in pockets of passengers and himself to inform them to pick up stones, and soil from anywhere they stepped out of the vehicle. When they returned after some amount of time, they had stones from various continents that should have been impossible to travel to in their timeframe. The Apprentice who was interviewed claimed that the vehicle was enveloped in a bluish glow, then the next thing he remembered was disembarking the vehicle in a bit of daze with the stones in his pockets that he knew weren't there before. Discovery Channel was such a wild place in the 90s and Early 2000s.

>>41148338
marconi was a gay who played the tromboni no?

>>41148371
The Marconi company invented radio and was then "bought out" by the US military and became RCA.

>>41148368
This has nothing to do with Tesla and was in fact from a group who claimed to have invented a UFO.

The botslop is expected in this kind of thread.

It's a little late to be sliding this hard.

bump for best thread

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>>41139783
Electrostatic levitation. Look up NASA electro static levitation and you get your answer. The thing about donuts that everyone keeps talking about is spinning mercury amalgams that ionize into gases (or plasma) that generate the electricity for you. That's all it is. You probably don't even need mercury.

If someone gives you a "zero point energy" physics lesson they probably don't know what they're talking about and also don't know what harmonics or resonance is either. Which is what Tesla was working on btw.

They also just tell you if you look up the patent for it.

>>41142494
This is a very simple arrangement and highly efficient when done right, which makes it an attractive solution

>>41140323
maybe they didn't see the thread yet. I didn't see it until just now

>>41149070
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

im surprised noone says anything about those patents,you can go down the rabbit hole even deeper if u check the "Similar Documents" at the bottom of the page. This screams that whatever they use is magnets (would be really funny if they use the planet's magnetosphere to propel themseves) ,and element 115 is just the power supply

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>>41149575 (You)
my ass forgot to add this

>>41149588
finally. I've been ducking in and out of this thread long enough for someone to finally post some fucking pictures. look closely at those photos and consider most of the design stuff I mentioned. you see the central propulsion compressor and engine in the underbulge, and in some of the photos, you see the leading edge plasma units.

what you'll notice in how I mentioned above that when the craft is flying under the propulsion compressor and slip stream emission along the active surfaces, main jet turned off, they do certainly appear to hover, which they do, but it is purely due to

1- high power density engines. cubane, high temperature alloys, micro holes in the turbine housing to prevent abrasion and heat ablation from operating.

2- high strength materials, and therefore lighter weight. amorphous metal alloys for major structural components, variants of organometallic/ceramic alloys for special purpose areas, such as the piezo elements of the active surfaces

3- the various performance improvments I mention earlier, plasma sheath, dimples, active noise supression, all that stuff

in hover mode, then the crafts are seen to drift and glide, notice how they will tilt *slightly* in that direction. this is very similar to how air cushion hovercraft operate, except these craft are using more airflow with ultrasonic silencers to prevent you from hearing it. they stay far enough off the ground to not rustle trees and grass, increasing the perception of the people that they are seeing ayylmao tech.

the upper hull surface of those craft is the giant suction port, with some valving in spots to throttle the amount of suction from each patch of active surface, and then they flow through the main engine and propulsion compressor, which then dumps either to high speed jets or exhaust active surfaces on the bottom side. it consumes more fuel than main engine flight, but they are still able to hover for nearly 24 hours, while flight itself can last for weeks.

>>41146240
>What do you think the nano drones are for?
my hypothesis is that they do exactly what we would do if we were in their position.

consider, if we were to secretly observe another planet, as close as possible, we could do extremely well with our existing tech from our satellites, even at a standoff distance as far as the outer belt, even as far as neptune, and still get just as good imagery as we get from google earth.

so, let's talk capabilities. posting links about glass camera gets posts nuked, so go look on your own for "glass camera theory" here is how it works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFiubdrJqqI

what the specific phrase GLASS CAMERA (programs get all caps, remember?) does is create a synthetic 3d scene by extracting the purely 2d image data from the drone swarm carried aboard these craft. when the image data streams in to the main craft, and therefore the pilots, a 3d scene is extracted and the mission planning, avionics, and all the other control systems use that for guidance, attack, flight planning, all that.

something else glass camera does is very similar to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSS6yAMZF78

to detect minute changes in motion on the ground of people, footsteps, everything. the imaging sensors on the drones and main craft are gigapixel level, so picking up gravel from a mile up in the sky is cake. the same differentiating filter used in the video above is applied to the 3d model as well, making a 3d dimensional display to indicate motion, similar to the joke about dinosaurs.

the larger ayylmao drones most surely use the same approach, since their flight patterns mimic the sort of pan/scan/orbit/collect/recon patterns based on the structures they fly around. during nuclear silo incidents, they fly specific routes to avoid homes, power lines, cameras, all that, then deploy their nanodrones, and then scoot away. we do too with the new spaceplanes in their recon missions, but we do not have nano drones, to my knowledge.

>>41146240
>How do they have wacky flight characteristics? Is it more in how they move the air around and glide on it than any "novel" propulsion method?
>One question I have is how much stuff we have set up in space. Kind of reminds me of the planet dirt guy that posted on here and fark, etc.

the cormorants I posted above are a good example of the new future of drones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6FSdUmEpg

the drone this man made is not so different from what I am describing here. you can imagine him replumbing his core airframe chassis into some large flat surfaces with thousands of tiny holes in it, not causing any noticable restrictions to engine airflow. he is using a turbo in his design, probably nitro fuel or kerosene would work great. he is absent active surfaces, a slipstream (which he could do easily), and a few more tweaks and changes, but that is more or less the overall design.

specific to sensors and weapons packages on the crafts, you'll have to go check out SASERs and LIPC weapons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_amplification_by_stimulated_emission_of_radiation

SASER weapons work better in water, while the LIPCs are to utterly destroy anything in their path. in some situations, the SASER can preamplify the air/water channel which the LIPC will fire into, making a yet stronger weapon, though conditions do not always permit that.

there are more intense weapons besides those two, but we will leave that out. glass camera, lipc, and saser is about 5% of the armament the newer aspen hyper type designs have, though they cannot carry them all. this includes nearly all legacy/conventional weapons on normal planes, including some new stuff. rumors that the aspen hypers have a small nuke reactor on them, but I don't know, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

>>41150410
>GLASS CAMERA

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/21007787/#q21015112

>>41146240
>I'll have to try that out sometime. Thank you for showing me. I'd been looking for how to reduce drag a ton for quite some time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJFgbaSfwo4

this is another design which is quite complicated, and actually runs on fuel rather than electrics. check the rest of his channel for similar designs. in his design, look at his drone as more like the "core" of the crafts described here. installing what is essentially fairings and a hull surface around his design there would be very similar to the stuff described in this thread.

you could easily build something similar buy buying a kids toy quadcopter drone, but ones with ducted fans instead of props, and carve out a foam body for it, making sure to use open cell hard foam with a sticky plastic cover, and leave one of the thrusters for the main jet. use 2 of them to provide bottom surface lift, 1 on top for suction lift and slipstream flow, and 1 more for main jet propulsion. you'll have to probably buy a new ESC to make the controls work, but that is the cheapest option out there to make something similar. just making a slipstream compressor on a larger hobby style plane, similar to the rctestflight one above could get you flying for a few hundred dollars, especially if you find your local flyers club.

that will get you a lot more satisfaction from life than listening to all this bullshit about magical UFOs using ayylmao stolen tech. fucking spinning mercury drives and assymetric capacitors- motherfuckers, if it were that easy, why not drop a few hundred bucks on parts and make a desktop version to prove it?

I rest my case.

>>41148418
The person who was the subject of the documentary claimed to be, and seemed to have corroborative evidence that he was one of Tesla’s apprentices. If you could actually find the documentary I’d probably believe you, but back in the 90s and 2000s people were not as crazy about UFOs on TV it was more down to earth and grounded than the stuff past the 2010s. However, since you have 0 description and are simply a negator there really isn’t anything more to say other than put up or shut up

>>41140948
>soviets did it for stealth tech, noticed that it has the nasty habit of being good at radar stealthy, but the emitted radiation from the plasma itself glows enough for imaging equipment to pick it up

as shown here

>>41150410

>>41150450
>SASER weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pncG3lJUOdY

the Naval Postgraduate School ran a course on SASERs a while back. this video is one of the introduction to theory courses discussing rijke tubes. this design is not so different from saser weapons. a saser generally uses some hot compressed air to prime the rijke tube, in addition to sometimes using argon as the lasing medium. either way, several hundred decibels are packed into a very narrow beam, usually having the capability to vibrate a hole into your body.

through the use of clever shaped horns, plumbing, reflectors, and sometimes mesh foams, and acoustic storage rings, a saser can be pumped up to thousands of decibels worth of power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whispering_gallery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_mirror

I can't find anything on the acoustic storage rings for the saser weapons, but you can just imagine these types of singing bowls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oNU3_mSF04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtnE6aXPHI

wherein the rijke tube dumps its emitted acoustic radiation into a not so different looking shape than those singing bowls. the weaponized version has the bowl rotating, similar to "keeping it alive" when playing with those singing bowls and running the stick around the bowl edge, and this is *important*, to match the frequency of the vibrations rolling around the bowl. the stick, in the hand version, is a rolling bearing on the acoustic storage rings, which are then ported to the outlet of the saser weapon.

it is more or less a thermoacoustic engine with storage rings, a lasing medium, and some aiming functions. at full power, a saser from these craft can liquify a human in a few milliseconds, but they also run in the several thousands of kilowatts range in terms of stored energy.

>>41150659
when your crafts you ask about emit their strange tones, warbles, and other confusing things to ground observers, 90% of the time, it is the crew and pilots fucking around with the saser, playing with people. notice the types tones and super clean waveforms coming out of a normal rijke tube. they can be shaped, especially by hammering a spiral shape along the length of the rijke tube to impart a helical/circular polarization to the emitted saser beam, similar to how some lasers are done the same, except as light instead of sound.

when discharging a saser into a dust storm, for example, it causes the dust to glow, not unlike this video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopp%E2%80%93Etchells_effect

which is something you need to watch for if the craft is operating in the desert. similar effects when saser-ing a cloud, sometimes with using the lipc, it is possible to seperate the hydrogen and oxygen in water, then cause it to recombust. it makes a roar sound.

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>>41150341
i grabbed them from one UFO thread from around the start of 2023,we just gotta get rid of the human ego to have that type of propulsion exposed to the light

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>>41150842
and this sketch

>>41150857
that chevron craft is one of the newer ones, similar to the aspen hyper variants I keep talking about. that is a long range mission airframe, built out of more or less the same approach I discuss here. for the more tactical, maneuverable, and combative crafts, imagine them shaped a lot like a broadhead arrow point.

cool pics. I don't really have much info beyond what I've posted here in terms of tech on those crafts. info about previous missions, weapons and intel capabilty, opsec, all that stuff isn't really worth talking about. I don't know too much about the off-planet stuff. I heard scuttlebutt one time that there are space stations installed at some of the lagrange points L4 and L5 between earth and moon, but I don't know. considering the fuel capacity, endurance, pressurize compartments, optical analog computers, onboard oxidizer/fuel storage for off-planet, and attitude control mini-jets leads me to believe that a mature spaceplane fleet is either currently operating near the earth routinely, and likely have left some fuel modules, life support modules, and other "stash stuff" out at L4 and L5. whether or not they have *actually* done that, and what they might be doing out there, I have no clue. I've been out of the game for a while.

anyway, hope you had fun. building a drone to implement a lot of this stuff would be fun for you. if you lack experience, remember what I said about your flyers club. send them a message, ask if someone in the club wants to smash together some spare parts and experiment with a build. you aren't going to be leaving the planet and shaking hands with ayylmaos, but it is cool to see it actually working, instead of a bunch of chuckleheads telling you to electrocute some mercury at high voltages and temperatures. thats a good way to end up dead.

electric/gas turbine DIY drones like this though, you would have more fun with that than trying to extract how /x/ thinks magical UFOs work.

>>41146415
and here I am in my pajamas at home, across the street from where all these spaceplanes are being developed and built, tuggin my slug and drinking coffee. spent most of the past year stoned out of my fucking mind I am so bored.

hey eglinos, it's me again, the baltic tetra guy and the tartu exolinguistics group. call me.

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>>41150842

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywell_RQ-16_T-Hawk

you'll also find these interesting. we used to fly them in trashcanistan. that design would more or less be something you would put an active surface hull on top of, but flip the engine intake to suction from above, and exhaust about 30% below for static lift, use around 10% for slipstream flow, and the remaining 40% power for forward flight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_RQ-170_Sentinel

I was in kandahar when the iranians stole the sentinel we were flying out of kaf. naturally, you see the design similarities. then sentinel we had didn't have active surfaces or slipstream, thankfully, since it got stolen by the iranians. nevertheless, they copied it.

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>>41151579
also, BAE systems made their demon drone a while back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Demon#Design

they bleed engine exhaust on the trailing edge of the wing, but also use some simple active surfaces, along with using slipstream ports to act as control surfaces, meaning all the hydraulics, mechanisms, and all the heavy complicated bullshit to make flaps and shit move around are now gone. it is just throttling the airflow around the hull. that little uav probably doesnt have enough room or power to provide plasma power for the slipstream and steering flow, but the idea is the same.

sorry, no magical ufos, at least not by humans.

>>41150341
How does it burn cubane when cubane is a solid?
How do pilots not die instantly from instantaneous acceleration?

>>41151665
thanks brother, this shit has been a good read and highly inspiring for my sci-fi autism. truth is stranger than fiction

>>41151681

it is kept in a cold granulated form, then ran through an air mill prior to the radiolytic combustion chamber.

>acceleration

they can sustain about 8g transient acceleration for around 20 seconds, so long as it doesn't ramp up too much, and the pilots are firmly installed on their seats to prevent injuries.

the wacky accelerations people claim is because of retinal burn and attention focus. people get sort of hypnotized by the silent flight, and in addition to the UV radiation emitted by the plasma units if they are operating, tends to hurt peoples eyes.

during the parts of their stories where the ayylmaos instantly fly away with magic spaceships, that is just a person with some bedfuddlement and zero training about how to look at flying objects. hell, people living near airports are constantly thinking that airliners sit in the sky, waiting for their turn to land, only because the angle they view them at, or at a crossing angle, makes them appear to hover in the air.

for our discussion, having a silent aircraft zip off quickly, silently, and over the course of about 5 seconds be so far away that what once was an aircraft in their view, maybe taking up 10% of their field of view, all of a sudden takes up 0.01% of their view, looking like it just flew away so fast that ayylmaos are the only explanation.

acceleration can certainly be done faster, but similar to when pilots have to eject, that much g-shock is completely survivable, especially if the total g-force is gradually built up, usually somewhere in the range of 1 G per second acceleration, taking the crew to 4 G in their seats in around 4 seconds. that can be done from a stall, hover, or dropping that bitch down to second gear, revving the engine, and popping the clutch- metaphorically.

>>41143487

>>41151762
>air mill

these air/jet mills are just air inlets where there are tangential entry ports, forcing the incoming air into a tornado. the granulated fuel is added, and the speed of the air, rotation, all that stuff is calculated, since only granules of a certain size are exhausted from the jet mill into the engine combustion chamber.

check out the wiki article i posted. its just a grain smasher. thats the location where fuel additives are injected as well, sometimes using boranes to boost the fuel brisance at the cost of engine damage.

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>>41151681
>does it burn cubane

>>41151784
>fuel additives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diborane#Other_uses

diborane is a popular additive when mixing up the cubane base fuel in the intake manifold for the main engine. the cubane base fuel and whatever boranes are brought along are all kept cold and granulated, only used for the mission and disposed of before landing/returning from mission. old tech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_fuel

>>41146260
I have no idea, its heavy shit that is only found deep inside planets and some asteroids. Its too heavy andy simply sinks through everything else. No idea how it is harnessed either.

>>41151843
or TEB if you want to be one of the cool kids...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triethylborane#Turbojet_engines

>>41151681
if you want, you can start making your own and run it in a test engine.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnafk93vhO36cccP0p83hcop3xBTYkoTN

its what all the cool kids are doing.

There is an old message board called Fark that had a particular feature where old threads would stop bumping at some point, but we're never deleted and could be posted on. Legit glowies/defense contractors used to post shit in those threads as a way to hang out in the open. Took awhile before anyone caught on, a lot of it was scrubbed, however you can still find a lot of interesting stuff.

Look up "erewhon Fark", find the posts by the user named Erewhon and read em. You'll see.

Also look up
Optical phase conjugation
Method of edge waves in the physical theory of diffraction
Alien Dave UTTR
Slow light experiments

Btw the old German saucers were called Haunebu, there were several models.

Also there are "craft" that are basically controllable ball lightning. It's a stable resonant plasma.

>>41151884
great video to explain how and why cubanes are so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ney-qTU3m4I

>>41151902
>erewhon
I know. when you search on 4plebs, I mention how the author of Darwin Among the Machines was a Butler bloodline, wrote about a machine uprising, which was then semiotically transmitted to Herbert's Dune series, specifcally the Butlerian jihad, the war of man against machines.

That was most definitely *not* a coincidence.

you are probably the same person I spoke to there. I was letting out some info about the submarine cuboid attack. the word cuboid should pop searches on the 4plebs /x/ archive. I post 70% truth, 30% high grade bullshit.

>>41151919
I forgot to mention, erewhon is the place located in one of Butler's other books, in addition to some references to it in his Darwin Among the Machines book.

slow controlled release, as you said. what all it actually means, I have no clue. I also posted how one of the forgotten languages authors swatted me on my naked ass in a sauna once in tartu, estonia. they do the exolinguistics thing at tartu university, or at least they used to.

>>41151919
Yeah probably, I spoke to someone who sounds like you about this stuff before

I mostly just lurk. The really interesting stuff isn't really possible to talk about, our language is literally not capable of transmitting certain types of information

Anywho

>>41151934
>Finnish sauna

Yeah that was me, I asked if she was hot, turns out it was a dude lol

>>41139783
I thought alien anti gravity worked like magnets anti gravity. No idea how it works but the universe itself is pure electricity and magnetism. It should be the same principle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyFhSYamPDQ

>>41151940
cool. well, enjoy your new knowledge.

>>41151956
Thanks.

If you want to know more about the FL stuff I highly recommend taking enough DMT or DMT analogs until you start consistently lucid dreaming the nights after taking it (this btw is the easiest and more consistent way to pop out of your body pretty much every night). What you want to do is pop out of your body, and then stop! Do not go and explore, instead, attain the same posture that you were in when you popped out on the first place. If you succeed, you will be in "their" home. You'll see. Not for the faint of heart!

>>41151902
can't find it, both on duckduckgo and google

>>41139783
no the physics arent understood at all, scientists who have worked on recovered ufo have said as much these machines are literally collecting dust in locksneed and other companies warehouses because no one can understand the tech lol

>>41151884
All conspiracy/alien stuff aside why isn't anyone mass producing this stuff? Surely you could make a pretty powerful rocket out of it

>>41152305
because allowing the general public to use it would be extremely unethical. cubane and it's derivatives are extremely dangerous, even when used by completely qualified people. even trying to make some on your own opens you up to so many accidents. you are going to need about 1 single 55 gallon drum to make use of in flight, which costs several millions just to make. if you were handling that drum and fucked up, you, your neighbors, and the people on the whole block are going to feel it, in addition to the rest of whatever city you live in. it is kept cold, granulated, and stored under an inert gas for a reason.

exotic fuels for exotic planes. plain fuels for plain planes.

>>41151934
>forgotten languages
Is that the weird site that sometimes posts ufo stuff but it's in made-up gibberish languages? Is most of it bs?
>our language is literally not capable of transmitting certain types of information
Yeah, you must be referring to that site. Are you the same guy posting about the cubane, engine designs, etc.? Would you say the Fark/ATS guy is telling the truth?
Also, is this real: I know someone I trust irl who knows someone who knows someone who worked at Boeing some decades ago, and they said they were working on a laser to kill people from high up (the first person is old and couldn't remember/know if it was space or on a plane, or if the 2nd person specified). All people trust the next person in the chain.

>>41140292
fuck off glowie, no one gives a shit about your stupid "laws".

>>41151936
>The really interesting stuff isn't really possible to talk about, our language is literally not capable of transmitting certain types of information
Can you give an example of what concepts are indescribable, or how you can show those concepts exist?

>>41152855
FL is most certainly not bullshit. It is a group of linguists that study languages. Notably, they create synthetic languages that have specific characteristics that allow them to transmit certain information that otherwise cannot be communicated with say english. By employing this knowledge, they have come into contact with "the other". Their synthetic languages (the real ones, like the cassini discus stuff) are not translatable, so they can post about it publicly without recourse.

The fact that legitimate glowies used to post classified info on Fark is true, and the poster named Erewhon is a remnant of the activities that were on that site. You really should try to find his posts, it's not that hard.

I'm not the guy posting about technical information.

>>41153036
I cannot. You yourself can have experiences that you have to way to communicate in this type of language. If you can disrupt the part of your brain that is responsible for linguistic coherence, you can find yourself in a very strange place. There are entities that live there. They interact with our world in ways that go almost completely unnoticed, because we literally cannot comprehend them or communicate any knowledge of them. I posted instructions above on how to reach them. I doubt anyone here will try, not should they desu.

Dreams and the place we go to when we dream are not what they appear.

>>41152665
cubane is not dangerous at all. It's derivatives are.

>>41152855
>Would you say the Fark/ATS guy is telling the truth?
difficult to say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfhzo9OMfIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyRllRWfLJE

most of the time, the stuff they write is purely the same as vidrel. just a bunch of made up engineering and science words, actual words, and a casual nonchalant presentation makes the whole thing super believable. the problem is, every single time, it is always described as something so basic and simple that it is "obvious" that it does it works "because physics". the problem is, as is the case so often with so many of those bullshit claims because buying some mercury, a pulsed dc power supply, and whatever other accoutrements to make their little scam work. people eventually buy the hoax bait and try to make their own ayylmao FTL subspace warp drives or whatever, but they never actually work, and more often than not, they have zero engineering and science education whatsoever, making them little more than kids playing with toys. when those guys who claim to know how to make "free energy overunity generators" or "pulse wave formers" and other nonsense always have some sort of grand claim that it could save the human race, except they perpetually need money to build a working demo, and don't want to let out the last little secret details to make it actually work. the thing is, most often that their supposed project costs are just a few hundred bucks, easily funded on their own. seeing that they never actually do any of the shit they claim to know about...

the "turbo encabulator" is the same idea, just smash together a bunch of words on purpose as a joke.

the difference with what I am expressing here is that there are numerous organizations building these types of planes, and have for decades with various levels of improvement. specific to the videos I posted, even the rc hobby plane people are starting to duplicate some of those designs.

>>41153475
cubane tends to be hygroscopic towards all kinds of contaminants, making it dangerous. for example, handling cubane in and around high test peroxide is extremely dangerous.

>>41153500
Idk man the in-air plasma cavitation stuff, the gamma ray laser pulse compressor stuff, the optical conjugation tech all seem to be real (optical phase conjugation isn't even up for debate, just look it up). I thought Erewhon was fucking around until I started digging. At least some of it is real tech. Then there is the whole UTTR incident he was talking about where some dudes got fried at a pretty large distance near UTTR, there are pics of the incident and the subsequent radiation burns that they suffered

>>41153554
fair points all. maybe all that stuff is running, in research, or just an idea. I never got directly exposed to any of the stuff you mention there, but I also would not be surprised one bit if it all worked. the problem I always have with that stuff is that while it all does technically work in stationary, ground based processes, I just don't see how a flying or mobile power supply, short an aircraft carrier or submarine, could even carry that much stored energy in whatever form be it nuclear/hydrocarbon/electric/magic and have it flow through electrical circuits and not fucking explode. even the best performant superconductors still cannot push that much electrical power to run the devices they claim without being obscenely huge, in addition to the radiation shielding needed for fusion/fission processes. that I know, having stood 20 feet away from a 165 megawatt nuclear reactor for years on a submarine. even that, as a fission reactor, dumped so much neutron and gamma flux that the shielding itself weighed more than the actual reactor core.

doubly worse for fusion, since it emits a shit ton of neutrons, which is worse than electromagnetic radiation, since neutrons cause secondary radioactive conversions of previously safe material. there are aneutronic fusion processes, meaning they emit no neutrons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion#Boron

which we arrive back to boron again. I swear, that asshole lazar really fucked the pooch. boron is where its at. the problem with anuetronic fusion is that it generally requires huge support equipment similar to muon catalyzed fusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

both of which are heavy as fuck and I doubt will ever fly, much less provide prime mover power for all those devices and tech they claim.

>>41153619
I also forgot to mention bismuth cavitated fusion. it is technically bismuthine, but when you take molten bismuth, run it through a high pressure converging-diverging nozzle, the resulting cavitation plume will cause a shitty form of fusion to occur with the bismuth and hydrogen nuclei. the problem is, that process creates deadly polonium-210/211

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium#Cases_of_poisoning

the soviets LOVED using that in assassinations, since it is so easy to make in a toolshed. problem is, the maker of that shit often times gets poisoned too. it happens every couple of years when someone in the public finds out about that low(er) temperature fusion with a super simple process. the polonium poisoning is a terrible way to die, and an even worse idea to use at all to generate power. contrary to what you read, generating polonium does not necessarily need a breeder reactor.

>>41153619
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium-210#Byproduct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-bismuth_eutectic

>>41139783
Something something spinning mercury vortex

>>41153709
you know what, I am going to change my stance on this. please, everyone, buy some mercury from amazon, a 48 volt dc power supply, a signal generator capable of 20 or so volt capability for generating arbitrary waveforms, and arrange those two in series such that you can run straight dc current through the mercury, or pulse dc current on whatever waveform you want.

total cost, probably $200 off amazon. go ahead and do that, and we will all be watching the news to see how, specifically, you died because of electrocuting mercury for giggles because it is supposedly stolen ayylmao tech. lets see it guys. also buy some sheets of glass and copper to make some of your previous fucking "asymmetric capacitors" to change the inverse reactance flux of the aether to open a portal to the shadow realm or whatever other nonsense there is.

while you dingleberries are doing that, others are making and flying hotrod spaceplanes doing 10x what you guys and your tiny stupid little imaginations can come up with.

>>41153554
before someone posts the air force plane which carried an operating fission reactor onboard, it didn't use that for flight. also this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

nuclear powered flight is a super terrible idea.

>>41139783
The real deal is not anti-gravity, it is out-of-the-way-of-gravity, meaning to get out of the 3D-hyperplane (our 3D world). Yes, there exists more than 3 space dimensions, It works with spin-polarization, look for UFO reports which mention strange polarized light efects, that's a clue.
There is an easy way to confirm that there must be more than 3 space dimensions: when you have polarized electromagnetic waves, there are circular polarized waves (this are the ones which do not go outside of our 3D hyperplane) and there are (seemingly) linear polarized waves, but these ones are also circular polarized but go outside of our 3d space dimensions.

>>41143811
>>41150341
i hope im citing the same person here

you're posting some smart and cool shit, but more importantly i haven't seen this narrative before - the cubanes, dimples, ultrasonic silencers, cormorants...

but you're not addressing anything beyond "nuts and bolts" if i'm reading this right?

so ayylmaos as higher dimensional entities, interacting with the ZP field, bearden like the other guy mentioned

even sneaky ol' Hal Puthoff has a scalar comms patent :think:

if the UAP tech was actually this hard to make, the deep SAP-MIC wouldn't need so much effort to cover it up

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>>41139783
So where is end of world? I would also like to say if anybody is listening that if you're being hit by "The weapon" use magnets. Even fridge magnets work.

also, i dont think the new narratives mentioned in this thread account for:

1) shit mentioned at APEC

2) inertia-defying maneuvers

3) transmedium locomotion - see the various navy stories about entering/exiting without splash or slowdown, or phasing through mountains

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>>41153709
>spinning mercury vortex
spinning anything that could create charge density. maybe spinning a mirror.

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>>41150410
>"glass camera theory"
an entangled plasma ball would make one hell of a glass camera

>>41151762
>accerlation is just untrained laymen retinal burn confused

that could account for billy bob and daquarius mistaking an ARV or PSV for ayyliums...

but what about all the military testimony about super-high-g maneuvers caught by their milspec ISR?
we have high ranking guys swearing in congress that these tic-tacs are swerving on a dime, with no regard for inertia

your nuts and bolts story is pleasing to a non-tech idiot like me, i must admit, and i dont wish to call everyone eglin glowies

but it really feels like you're trying your hardest to give answers that stay within publicly-accepted mainstream physics

i'm a believer in the psionic aspect of it, but just to devils advocate the argument against that:

which i think is something like, glowies are conditioning the masses to accept their mind-control plasma hologram tech as ayylien jesus to make blue beam go smoother in 2027

even taking UAPs out of the picture, there's a fuckton of documentation (do a little Reading Room sometime) about anomalous cognition & non-local consciousness

to be fair, there's also tons of schizos and grifters lmao

but any UFO physics theory that's only talking about standard QM/GR... you negroes really think NHI haven't moved past Maxwell yet?

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>>41139783
ayys know how to manipulate gravity.

If you research how to do it and succeed the alphabet people will knock your door.

>>41154773
>>41154454
>>41154405

>PSV

alright! someone who knows about the PSVs. do you know about the rhenium sphere out in ghazni? I was around for that, not involved though. wild. about the ayylmaos and other most likely actual alien UFOs, yeah, I agree with you on that. there are still a lot of unexplained things out there, especially the mimic UFOs which might be imitating the crafts I describe here. who knows, who cares. spaceplanes are cool and if the ayylmaos have a technological history, they will know spaceplanes. no one ever talks about mimic UFOs though. sad!

about being all nuts and bolts, it more or less is, but as you said, the design specifics are not here and anyone capable enough to have a manufacturing facility to do any of this has no knowledge of things like manifold shaping for the propulsion compressor so it can pass through a valve matrix with as little restriction as possible, porting compressed air around the hull active surfaces, into the plasma units, etc... other stuff like how specifically to radiolytically combust cubanes is super challenging, since it is technically a hyperbrisant fuel when operating in the engines, forcing the jet mill to grind the granulated fuel feedstock to such a fine granule under extremely cold conditions such that when they do finally combust, they are physically tiny dust particles and far enough apart in the inlet manifold of the main engine such that they cannot cause a chain reaction, exploding the engine, since their combustion is controlled completely by microwave radiation from the ignition control system.

even after saying all that, those design words and requirements are standard for nearly every damn jet engine in the world, but it costs billions of dollars and several hundred people working in engineering labs to iron out the kinks and not fuck it all up, besides them not being able to make anything on par by themselves anyway. even the chinese cannot get this stuff right.

>>41140292
this nigga glows like sun

>>41154773
>but it really feels like you're trying your hardest to give answers that stay within publicly-accepted mainstream physics

uhhh

>>41139783
>Don't show me a schematic in German that just says "magical part that does all the crazy shit" on it with no explanation.

hmmm

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>>41154913
spheres plural aint it? from the 'mother' crafts. also, is akrij a craft designation or a species name? who knows. wish i fuckin did lel

to my untrained mind, your nuts & bolts sounds plausible, in a "barely classified" way - i can't napkin math the power supply orders of magnitude but it feels about right for actual thousands of phds working on it and slowly building off conventional aerodynamics

but it just doesn't track for me as "this is the secret UAP propulsion that is uber classified with MJ12 teams killing people to shut them up"

because the cubane "stack" is nearly as complex and expensive as building nuclear shit in your garage. that's immensely dangerous but they don't need to classify it b/c not accessible

the immense effort in secrecy, discreditation, psyops, "narrative wars" with podcaster speakers.
the overlaps with psionics (Puthoff bridging the gap between Gateway and crash retrieval)
the many, many scientists who discover a little something anomalous with angular momentum and get silenced or career ended...

all of this points to actual anomalous propulsion being frighteningly easy to stumble upon, relative to how accessible and disruptive it would be

>>41154991
i think theres a difference between "a wizard did it" and "this is not-yet-understood physics, but here's a good guess and experimental setup"

though that is indeed just asking to be spoonfed kek

>>41154773
Lemme let you in on a little trick they use to make shit go real real fast

The trick is, you don't need to go fast at all. You just need to look like you're going fast, so that your adversary has a reason to make a mistake and start preparing and defending against a falsehood! This method is all about having your cake and eating it too: you waste your enemies time and resources and you never actually reveal your super exotic high speed stuff.

The trick is simple. Light at point A, accelerate it in a direction, turn it off. Turn on light B, go some direction, turn it off. Turn on light C...you get the picture. It looks like an object accelerating at impossible G's. You can make it look like it's doing turns, shooting up into space, increasing/decreasing in size, you can do all kinds of shit with this trick. Spoofing is OP.

>>41155101
I'll be clear here, I am in complete agreement that there are likely more exotic craft out there. hell man, because I had a TS back then, I ended up on the glowie watchlist for domestic terrorism because of work in afghanistan, same as everyone else there. I've got eyeballs up my asshole here, and if this info I put out today was a problem, I would be found stuffed in a duffel bag with several headshots and a coroners report saying suicide.

I also don't doubt that most of the new spaceplanes, in addition to their new weapons packages, are sort of a planetary defense capability. my rationale for this is that I had several drunken conversations about this already with other spooks from back then, so here we are. the thought is that since these crafts and their weapons represent a capability of complete and total warfare asymmetry, that they represent a new class of weapons. you can think about knives to arrows to guns to bombs to nukes. those wmd type weapons have a successor class, hypersonic propulsion systems not just for missiles, but manned aircraft and drones, in addition to saser weapons powerful enough to liquify the entire mediterranian sea biome in one fell swoop. the scalar interferometers themselves are supposedly the only good weapon we have on the ayylmaos, hence the constant nano drone incursions.

the PSVs and milorbs are part of that new weapons class as well. I saw them during their missions at spin boldak and kunduz/takar/imam sahib area. absolutely fucking nuts those things.

>>41155285
this kinda sounds like the projection 3d hologram stuff the navy (?) has been working on. that's pretty canny, i believe u. its very much their doctrine style too

>>41155292
also believe u on the "saying the wrong thing will get you iced", there was a nice lady from Huntington...

the PSV narrative surprised me because:

1) you don't hear it pushed on joe rogan and the good goy podcasts, no traction on le reddit
2) it's very limited/realistic in an occam's razor development track (Magenta onwards) with
3) it explains a lot of slower-speed encounters while leaving the more arcane unaccounted for

super interested that some of this stuff is now "ok" to say, i can only wonder what dealings are being made between Thiel and the SAPs

>also
if you look into epstein's connection to antigrav researchers, human trafficking via TR-3Bs (like that 'Sentinels of Ether' book) suddenly makes sense

>>41155292
i think we're sorta agreeing, i'm just having to separate 2 things in my head

1) gov has indeed engineered some wacky shit, with a mix of conventional know how and retrievals

2) there's even crazier shit from zoopdoop the pleadian and his Andromedan husband, with actual inertial shielding, transmedium and psionic control

>interferometers
any names i should look into on this? everyone's got their own setup, some grifters have hopped into the space at this point.
i just have no way of knowing if there's actually a 2nd field "underneath" EM, or how to locally excite it
>fuck you heaviside

Too much stuff itt for me to respond to individually. Shocked how much stuff is being discussed here, and how it all seems to corroborate. Some questions
>a lot of this stuff seems to touch on consciousness (remote viewing, stuff similar to gateway process, supposed freaky entities outside this plane of existence, etc.). Is there an agreed-upon theory behind this stuff? Personally I believe in something that's like IIT but different, where there's also a disconnect between what your brain thinks its aware of and what you're actually consciously aware of. So, there could be things we're not aware of like the FL-citing anon mentions. Has anyone else seen or heard of these beings? If the FL people developed these languages, they must be able to communicate their definitions in preexisting languages. Even though we can't figure out the translations ourselves, doesn't this mean if someone leaked that we could technically learn them? Honestly if it does make me see scary shit I don't want to see it, though. Are schizos actually seeing real shit?
>I'm well aware of Erewhon's posts, but it's been a while since I read them, and they were too high-level for me to understand. Hard to confirm or deny them. I agree with the anon discussing plane designs that it feels like a bunch of physics words slapped together with a little bit of truth and a lot of lies, but then again it could just be outside my knowledge.
>Do milorbs use superconductors to levitate on Earth's magnetic field? I think I remember FL saying that. On that note, are ayys part of the reason we sent people to Afghanistan? Why would the FL authors swat someone? Why would they try to hide stuff if they're soft-disclosing it themselves?
>Is the answer to why the scientific community hasn't figured out this stuff yet is that they have, hence all of the Wikipedia links?

>>41152884
i imagine that anybody who writes "glowie" has a sub-50 iq and never went to college. even the dumbest fucking state school that any mongoloid could get into.

>>41156186
>I also think there are more than the 3+1 dimensions we know now, and that there is also something funny with spin/rotation, how has the scientific community not figured this out? Sure, they can silence people, but there should be an unstoppable slow march of progress. Or maybe it hinges on a rare Einstein that happened to work for the MIC? Same question for supposed scalar waves.
>What are PSVs?
>Can you elaborate on a 2nd field "underneath" EM?
>Does ayys interacting with the zp field mean using negative energy density to warp spacetime and/or reflect GWs?

>>41156208
nvm on PSV question just remembered from FL

bump

What does PSV stand for?

>>41140340
Well you know how the earth spins, like rotates, but its like a big ball or something right like in terms of mass ya know, now what about that ride at the fair that spins ya and shit, wouldnt you just have to figure out a way to overcome the earth ball spin thing? So like not gravity but that other word, so like a counter weight type thing, like spinlaunch but somehow more compact or something something idk
Physics bro, how does water stay attached to a cup when the guy from initial D does his drift shite? Idk man
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>>41156193
Your a glowie, your called a glowie cus your agency probably slipped something so they can track you and you glow under certain lights or something idk man the whole planet is run by aliens and nothings ever gonna change, all hope is lost, yadayadayada

>>41155540
>any names i should look into on this?
https://www.meyl.eu/go/indexb830.html
https://www.meyl.eu/go/index9eca.html?dir=80_Meyl&page=1&sublevel=0
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Meyl

his focus on the importance of neutrinos. some of the work he did had a direct correlation towards the development of desktop sized neutrino tomography sensors, essentially making a neutrino based imaging system using the same voxel composite 3d scene synthesis technique I mentioned above for glass camera. when operating the in visible range, glass camera and similar systems cannot see through walls. with a neutrino tomography sensor onboard, they can, especially when they are tasked with locating a nuclear submarine just looking for the neutrino glow from the reactor. he does't talk about neutrino synthesis, which is vicious weapons package on the new aspen hyper variants. those neutrino beam weapons require ungodly amounts of electricity, which is why I would not be surprised if they actually had a small auxiliary reactor onboard for that, but I still doubt it, its probably just a hydrocarbon power source for it.

Meyl is also big on scalar interferometers. he sells a kit to make them a set of emitter/receiver modules to emit scalar waves, and it works, no bullshit. it also shows how FTL communications work, but not absolutely instant comms. it still takes a while for scalar/torsion waves to propagate, but they sure do it fast. he has a few videos out, has credentials, and his kooky crazy ideas (we all have them) are well within acceptable levels to not outright dismiss everything he says.

>Magenta onwards
I was first exposed to the name akrij and tangent around the time of the rhenium incident around ghazni. something people don't talk about too often in relation to the PSVs and etc are neutrinos, which is why I mention Meyl here. even if you and I infodumped about the PSVs/milorbs, especially Presence, these dumbfucks wouldn't understand it.

>>41156186
>Why would the FL authors swat someone?

they don't do that. they are just analysts, semioticians, linguists, stuff like that. their discussions are known about, and if they get out of line and be too specific, they get their pee pees smacked. this is why I brought up the tartu exolinguistics group, a prime example of what happens when they get a little too much of their own ideas about what to do.

the FL group are just as subject to the same bullshit everyone else is, just in an informal manner. they do a very good job of "implicit analysis" which refers to looking at circumstantial evidence in such a way to discover the lies in a linguistic expression. you'll recognize this as "the witness saying everything except how the murder happened" type stuff, reading more into what is *not* said or written compared to what *is*. in contrast to explicit analysis, meaning only using hard evidence to work out the truth of a situation. their work does this fully linguistically, while other groups specialize in technical work. for them, they are able to pickup a piece of text or linguistic transmission and determine the content of lies, truth, misdirections, indirect references, etc... which is super important to speaking with ayylmaos, or even more to the point, the machine interface we use to filter *our words* to make sure we don't accidentally fuckup and tell the ayylmaos things they shouldn't know.

when people get swatted, most often it is them fucking going off the reservation to do shit on their own. it's not difficult to send radio messages to the ayylmaos, especially that swarm being built in the outer asteroid belt and some of the cassini radio messages going back and forth around the saturn/neptune moon systems when those planets are near each other. problem is, doing that is a big problem, because it opens up the general public to do it. infodumping is a bit different, since it allows gauging public reaction in a more or less controlled and safer way.

>>41156193
> iq mentioned
opinion discarded.
you are at best a midwit.

those using the words are either retards or > 3 sigma.

>>41157036
What FL calls UFOs

>>41155540
also this

https://www.meyl.eu/go/index7b2b.html

unlike all the grifters around, Dr. Meyl actually builds and sells his claims. in this yt video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLB9IpMmmZU

he is explicit towards how his research arrived at those conclusions, how his scalar wave apparatus works, and he is even willing to provide the schematics of the machine for free to help people who cannot afford the prebuilt unit. who else out there has credentials and is building working equipment adjacent to the ayylmao and exotic ufo propulsion? no one that I know of.

>>41149588
what's stopping hobbyists from making these?

>>41139783

found some fun for you.

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>>41157286
dude, I just posted videos and the man making all this stuff precisely so you can do that. timing!

>>41157188
How do they detect the neutrinos well enough when they pass through mostly everything?
Feel free to infodump about the PSVs and milorbs lol
>>41157214
So they just kind of guess at what's probably being unsaid/redacted? Do you agree with their idea that certain concepts are unknowable without certain words? I browsed some old /x/ archives about them and they seem to believe in string theory and were trying to communicate across timelines using particles possible in string theory. I'm surprised they're assuming string theory is right.

>>41157282
something interesting to note about what Dr. Meyl mentions about how all sound waves are in fact scalar waves. light, radio, and electromagnetic radiation propagates as a scalar and a longitudinal wave. the context of that relates to how a more effective lasing technique is achieved by lasing both the longitudinal wave, as is in typical lasers we all know, but when also performing the same operation on the scalar component creates a much more highly focused laser beam as it collects and focuses a more complete percentage of the total wave.

with sound waves, when making a saser, you are unironically only doing that to the scalar component. sound waves have a longitudinal component, and it travels slower than the scalar component, similar to how light propagates. when you want to lase the longitudinal component of a sound wave, you make an extremely high rotation column of gas, often using a ranque-hilsch vortex tube

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube

which has the typical use of separating the hot and cold particles of a gas stream by also imparting a huge amount of rotation to the atoms. when a saser operates on normal charge gas flow from a canister, it lases/sases the scalar component, and when being fed with high rotation charge gas, it lases/sases the longitudinal component as well.

this "one simple trick ayylmaos dont want you to know" boosts saser power output by as much as 200%. the same concept carries over when thinking about how to make an effective LIPC weapon. a LIPC and fully built SASER are the same weapon, one with sound waves and the other with light/radio waves.

>>41157306
>Do you agree with their idea that certain concepts are unknowable without certain words?

yes. absolutely, and I have no shame in admitting that is a religious issue for me, as it is for many of the FL authors. language is holy, such that the term Logos denotes a power higher than even God, which even the supreme diety admits in various religions throughout history such that it almost seems to be a trope at this point. every time a religion popped up in history, the records (fictional or not) of the interaction of our people with that diety either through language or events always eventually has a situation where the diety admits that even they have to be so absolutely careful with their language that it can kill just as easily as create. the diety also says that attacking, perverting, distorting, and other evil acts of language are the most dangerous thing we need to look out for both in our personal lives, the world, and beyond into the cosmos. the radix malorum is the lie, pure evil, while the supreme diety occupies the position to complete, absolute, and total truth.

the tower of babel is more obvious now for those of you who like to read.

what I am getting at is the same thing got at in 1984. control of language is ultimate control. in the most endurant creation myth the human race has ever known, God spoke before even the first light, and the first light came even before the first day of creation. to pervert that is evil, and to limit even the dictionary and vocabulary of a person and population is equivalent to binding them in chains. the only difference between us and that diety is it can speak an infinitude of languages, while we can only speak a finite language, thus limiting our power, but also opening us up to being susceptible to lies.

more than anything else, without the correct words, we would've never invented all the things we have today. the FL group is all about this kind of stuff. where do languages grow and in what direction?

>>41157214
what happened with the tartu exolinguistics group and what do the baltics have to do with this?

>>41139783
pretty sure orbs are ground based lasers of some sort. would explain how they can move.

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>>41139783
The tr3-b isn't antigravity, it functions with buoyancy. You should think of it more like picrel than a jet or helicopter. I dont know the exact physics but they are essentially using the 3 glowing circles/tanks as "floaties" they pump a heated gas mixture significantly less dense than air into these tanks and it makes the craft buoyant enough to float. They are unmanned, and if you see footage of them, you'll notice how easily the corners of the craft are lifted by air currents. They are basically a big unstable kite in the sky and were deemed unusable for anything other than recon and psyops. The buoyancy "engine" tech has been reused in multiple new iterations of flight vehicles however.

>>41157325
continuing

at around 30 minutes, Dr. Meyl begins discussion of the electron prerotation coils. you see this illustrated as a pancake coil type in his schematics, and also on the printed circuit board. his output antenna is a sphere, which is cool as a good omnidirectional emitter, but you can also make sort of trumpet shapes, bendy things, and all manner of emitters to more precisely focus the scalar wave output. the point of that prerotation coil is just as described with the saser using high rotataion charge gas. when spinning molecules are sent through a saser, their rotation is "bundled up" into groups the same "size" as the acoustic wavelength, in addition to "bundling up" the pressure wave component everyone is familiar with in sound. what this does is create a phononic soliton. big words, check it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton

a phonon is to a photon as a wavelet is to a soliton. when operating a saser with phonon and soliton modulation, it is the same thing as operating a laser with photon and wavelet modultion. in the scalar wave apparatus Dr. Meyl presents, he is rotating the electric current in the wires in the same way that you would spin up some water in a pipe (the vortex tube mentioned above). when those "spun up" electrons flow through the antenna, they have a more precisely controlled output, controlling the "noise" he relates to the scalar component.

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>>41157434

one more "simple trick the ayylmaos hate" is that similar to how one tunes an antenna using some capacitors and such that you can make it accept something slightly higher or lower than its physical length, allowing for modulation, when using Dr. Meyl's setup, adding a transistor across the input and output of his prerotation coils means you can modulate the amount of "spin" on the electrons as they emit from it to the antenna surface, adding yet another degree of modulation.

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>>41149070
>>41149575
Electrostatics employing ionic wind; is complete shit for lift or propulsion without antigravity to first reduce the craft's volume to an equivalent mass lighter than that same volume filled with air thus achieving buoyancy

Take your meds, peabrain retard.

>Magenta onwards
> I was first exposed to the name akrij and tangent around the time of the rhenium incident around ghazni.

Would you mind providing some context?

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>>41143728

>OP asks for facts, measurements, references, evidence.
>gets it
>people still want ghost ayylmaos from their dmt trips to teach them quantum immortality physics

and people wonder why they have to be lied to a little bit.

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>>41148275
The method of electrostatic lift you speak off requires a same charged plate on the ground beneath it to provide the point against which it will repel itself upwards..

someone on the ground chasing after it with a really long extension cord?

>>41157441
you really know your shit, christ. appreciate the frank conversation thus far. You on the forgotten languages community discord? They have ongoing translation efforts, real linguistics not Ai shit

I'm on mobile so typing sucks but

>meyl
I heard about him a while ago but kinda chalked him off while looking to gather more names... looking back at him, he does seem to know his shit. Tesla pancake/sphere lineage, superluminal, bio-coupling.

>directionality
I can't seen to nail down if emissions along this field are directional beam or expanding balloon. I'd hate to accidentally ping the SQUID arrays in pine gap lmaooo

>APEC
I do wonder how much of these guys are false bottom limited hangout stuff, with how public it is. My buddy thinks it's a sort of "silent audition" where glowies can recruit or threaten the brightest of the crop, but that feels a little convenient

>other names
Bearden is kinda glow-affiliated but his talks are great. Puthoff was in the Aviary so he feels like psyop. Hutchison is hilarious but probably stumbling into the phenomenon as well.
There's also a whole cluster of Russians following Kozyrev's footsteps, even in this decade. They're less accessible to glowies so pretty interesting

A lot of dead ends though. Biefeld brown probably isnt the whole picture. Schauberger's vortex flow seems not it either. The Utron... dunno

>>41158252
>forgotten languages community discord?

no, but I do keep up with recent devleopments with my own cassini comms ground station. receive only. I don't pick up as many transects as the FL group do with their source/equipment, but I do enjoy to leisure of seeing the same communications they do. the equipment generating their data is much more sophisticated, but working out the overall design of Dr. Meyl's apparatus isn't so different when operated as a receiver. you still have to be familiar with the ultrawideband spread spectrum approach of signal modulation to get that part to work, but a cheap usb SDR dongle and some lazy ass programming will get you up and listening pretty easily.

as you mentioned, the last fucking thing you ever want to do is broadcast to the ayylmaos and have anyone else find out you did it. that's a good way to end up dead. listening in though...

a lot of you would be wise to start studying the context of tetra:burst, when and where it happened, and who did it.

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>>41139783
here u go

>>41159471
you know what, fuck it. I'm gonna yolo this bitch.

you guys know the difference between AC and DC modes electric current. that's super intuitive, obvious, and familiar. in a typical radio emitter setup, you have a box which generates the actual signal with electricity, feeds that down a wire, then out to an antenna. you are supposed to cut the length of the antenna to match the wavelength/frequency you want the antenna to best operate on, with some wiggle room via a tuning circuit along the way to stretch or squeeze that signal into the physical body of the antenna.

referencing Dr. Meyls apparatus, you'll refer to the point above about "spinning up" those electrons- this is due to RC. rotational current is generated in those electron prerotation coils, and therefore allowing modulations and control of the RC component of an AC signal wave. the thing is, when you load up something like an audio file on a computer, then broadcast that out an antenna in the usual FM radio style, you aren't exactly "making the signal" from that audio file. what you are doing is specifying the linear component of the radiation you want coming out of that antenna. when you specify the rotational component by using a prerotation coil, that "opens up" the rest of the full actual "wave" for control, energy transfer, and communications.

an off the shelf antenna setup can have a pancake coil, or other designs, to generate RC in the wires, therefore affecting the scalar component and torsion wave created by the antenna, in addition to the traditional linear component. this means you can send one audio file for linear, another for rotation, in the same antenna. so, when you guys are out there operating your own cassini receiver, always be on the lookout for extremely clean signals you receive- in the rotation domain, not just the linear domain.

>>41159471
iiiinteresting. those Midnight Blue guys... so new 'incidents' aren't fully trustworthy. I'd bet my socks this ties into Immaculate Constellation as a pre-database dragnet

>emission vs listening
i'll take a look at Konstantin again, there's also some russian guys with a 2015 book and 2022 papers on building comms devices. those ruskis are a little weird though with their focus on physical photographs as "key pairs"

>chirality
do you buy the stuff about such generators having positive/negative? I forget who it was, someone was claiming both energy deposition at a distance, but reversal made energy removal at that same interface zone

>opsec
yeah man i dont wanna get mcculloch'd

>>41159747
my brain is wrinkling trying to understand enough RF talk
rotation domain as well as linear? fuck me, here i thought i just had to cancel E and B with opposing pancakes...

>rotational
I have a lot to study up on thanks to you! but your rose, i think, many people call by other names: frame-dragging, torsion (rotate those B fields!), even pope-osborne... and we know what happened to that guy's daughter

>>41159620
Probably something to do with the boundary layer Coanda effect.

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>>41139783
it is estimated that as much as 80% of the universe consists of dark matter.

is it then possible that they are partly constructed of this material? that the actual craft is far larger but that we can't see it because we haven't found out (or made public) the means by which dark matter is observed?

>>41140319
The government would disappear you for less.

>>41140292
brah. that's just an ad for Alienware Fidget Spinners

>>41139783
elements from other planets, we can't make them hear yet because we don't have the ability to go get those elements, so they say.

>>41160102
so here is the hilarious part. if you build one those apparatuses Dr. Meyl and I describe, you are making an extremely crude version of a "rotational radio" whereas your more familiar ones are "linear radio" devices. that isn't actually true, but it expresses a metaphor to help get it. a single wire has one stream of electrons flowing, no problem. you'll notice in teaching diagrams that current flowing along one vector has a magnetic field component around it, sometimes drawn with a spiral or rotation component. reverse direction of electrical flow, that wrapped up coil changes direction in rotation only, but only along its axis of rotation, and this is important. imagine you had magic fingers, and could make electrical current in the air between pinching them. you could use your "magic fingers" to pinch the ambient background electromagnetic field and twist it the same way electrons in a wire do.

you can also, and should, have multiple bundles of copper wire fiber carrying multiple rotation modulated signals. the reason being is that in plain electric current where the rotation is not controlled, you are more or less throwing electrons into the old electron pipe and telling them "good luck fuckos" when the turbulent flow down the wire, similar to turbulent water flow in a pipe. if you've ever seen a wind tunnel, you'll also understand the same metaphor when watching water flowing in clear pipes, and then injecting a tiny stream of dye. that shows how the water curls and rotates around piping bends, behaves in expansion and contraction, in pumps, etc...

the same approach applies to pancake coils. more or less turbulent electron flow is forced into rotation both by the physical shape, similar to making a giant transparent pipe spiral for a liquid, you could see it gain rotation as it spirals inward. an added boost is the fact that one section of wire makes that twisting electromagnetic field around it, also imparting some rotation to wires nearby. 1/2

>>41160424

the problem with sending a signal to the ayylmaos with an appratus like this is that it is possible to send multiple rotations in a single signal, the same as it is possible to send a bandwidth of linear signals in typical broadband communications. its all about that fourier transform, baby.

with ulrawideband spread spectrum comms in the linear domain, you are capable of sending signals below the surrounding background noise floor, and that same technique applies in the rotation domain as well. uwbss comms are super hard to implement, which is part of the reason most of our comms up to recently was broadband, it is much simple to operate and has plenty of bandwidth for all your guys web browsing habits. old tech, new tech. if you go broadcasting "old tech" with the ayylmaos by sending a few clumsy ass rotation modulated signals, they are going to know right off that you are a fuckhead, alongside the other humans who watched you broadcast with the global broadcast monitoring systems, so don't go doing that.

towards a receiver to actually pickup on that super information dense signal, consider that different coil "rotation frequencies" can exist such that you can modulate one rotation direction only, similar to how ripple DC works in the linear domain. modulation or rotation in two directions would be akin to modulation of linear current to make AC. so, in a sense, you have the ability to modulate the rotational component so much that it becomes another "channel" to send info on.

where it gets wacky is that you can send mulitple "strands" of rotating current down the same wire. you are most definitely not going to be able to pull that off as a civilian without a warehouse full of equipment, several billions in your pocket, and a team of super smart smarty smart people. that sort of "rope bundle of rotation" signal is where alot of that super information dense material is stored in ambient background cosmic (not just solar system) communications.

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>>41160424
>spiral component
perhaps this is why that special snake-staff winding along the rod... they're surprisingly hard to get a hold of, let alone bore an axial hole without professional machining
twisting the background field... there's the intuitive component to torsion, right.
>concentration of electrons in rotational motion
the boys and i think: high-Q cavity, maybe a WGM. you could do cryogenic superconductors but somehow i don't think that's needed. maybe for a Ferrari but not for a Lada, ya know?
>wires imparting rotation to nearby wires
is that why the counter-threaded winding? i've seen so many variants beyond pancakes, like a chain of hairpin windings along a toroid
>maybe: boundary conditions, nonlinear inflection points, plasma shear
;^)

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>>41160473
>global broadcast monitoring systems
yeah so this feels like the "catch" to me, if this is a real concern then it must be shaped like an expanding balloon, or a 3d (or >3d ayylmao) version of a ripple in a pond. it would be so easy for my retarded non-RF ass to go "hello world, please triangulate and dick me hard".
>multi-signal wire rotation
this feels like i've snorkeled a little far out and have just now seen the continental shelf drop-off. (speaking of, this is a great way for comms deep-water...)

sorry to glow for a minute, could i persuade you to join a random discord or i'll drop a burner proton address here? i'd love to bounce ideas off you sometime, i've got some fellow schizos who're currently going to market with (_very_) limited versions of this tech.
but that's probably a dubious ROI for ya, so i should really just git gud and learn 2 listen to the same dudes you do

>also: shielding and mental
faraday cage, lmao. i wonder if we might have better luck with the kind of physical structure interference McMoneagle talked about messing with RVing. just like you can't "block" B-fields, just redirect, this feels like you can only decohere, distract or shout over it.
besides, this is totally the same field that Grill Flame and Sun Streak were coupling to, no? you wanna talk about spirals and phonons, we've got some literature of tubulin that looks like that...

but maybe that's just me wanting to be lazy and do it with wetware instead of hardware. probably way more risky lmao

>>41160837
>then it must be shaped like an expanding balloon
>>41157434
> his output antenna is a sphere, which is cool as a good omnidirectional emitter, but you can also make sort of trumpet shapes, bendy things, and all manner of emitters to more precisely focus the scalar wave output.

you ever see what happens when two ground tornadoes meet each other? they dance around in a stable configuration in even number pairs in the close pack arrangement due to what you describe as counterspun braided copper wire. when you get larger, the "ring" of vortices have enough spare room in the middle such that you can get away when an uneven number of rotation threads such that eventually a pair will collapse together, bringing it back down to a more stable even number of counter-rotating threads. when tornadoes do it in nature, having 2 meet up is rare, having 4 meet up would probably never happen. in the lab though, not a problem.

>>41160837
>it would be so easy for my retarded non-RF ass to go "hello world, please triangulate and dick me hard".

that's more or less what it boils down to. the current policy put forth is that the general population is not allowed to broadcast deliberate off planet comms to anywhere, not just ayylmaos. meti and similar are all linear radio type stuff, so they won't ever pickup the rotational modulated signals. when the rare instances when some clever asshole decides to transmit, it is super difficult to transmit *only* the rotational component, leaving out the whole linear component. when they make their shitty emitters, no matter what they do, they will emit a sloppy ass and easily locatable linear modulated signal alongside whatever rotation modulated signal they are wanting to fuck with.

small stuff on land, not a big deal, new tech. deliberate off planet stuff, that's a problem- as it should be. people shouldn't be out there talking with those fucking dickwads. they are not our friends, nor should they be. only specific people should be able to effectively shape our messages, in addition to a computer mediated interface, protecting us from memetic manipulation. the tremendously high technical difficulty wall prevents most civilians from operating on the global superpower scale to even assemble the talent to keep the facility operating, much less some faggot in his backyard hobby shed. the FL group, among others, are those who study that most important topic- not just what the ayylmaos say, but *why* they say what they do, and in what manner. there are more than just written and spoken languages. the language of violence, for example, is spoken by all animals, including us. some animals, like corvids, can speak the language of humor with their antics and jokes with each other, as recorded and studied 20 years ago already.

>>41160969
when are you guys going to figure out that crop circles are the fingerprint of a saser with full and arbitrary rotational modulation to make the intricate shapes?

>>41161073
shit bad aim.

>>41160837
>sorry to glow for a minute

>>41161073

>>41160969
can I show guys some more really cool things about all this stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x67YWpWR7os

BIG HINTS here about how to operate the magnetic component of a SASER preamplifier.

>>41160919
>>41160969
>shape
oo, lack of reading comprehension on my part, thanks. i should have put 2 and 2 together before that, when considering targeted applications like Podkletnov's "impulse cannon" or my buddy's exogenous 3rd eye coil.
>comms controls
you know, emotionally i think i just wanted you to say "here is the blueprint it will make you a wizard and you can go on adventures with gleepglorp", but trying to think as a species instead of a lone autist for a moment, this is probably the most realistic stance... it doesn't have to be trisolaran or all tomorrows level of malice, but i can't honestly say it's likely for there to be star trek-tier peaceniks either.
your take on FL, now some things are making sense. the bits i've seen translated, they're always concerned with the meta-politics and implications of every event, i guess as they should be. not easy to play chess against cthulhu-tier minds

>>41161073
>>41161100
>glow
fret not, i'm used to rejection (i am bald.)

perhaps a faux pas to mention, but you don't seem much interested in the biological / wetware or higher-dimensional side of this. maybe i'm just getting meme'd by podcasts

>>41161073
i was actually just thinking about a polar fourier on that lately, getting data and standardizing would be the effort. hoaxes would be filtered out. if i'm reading you right, they could just beam those circles onto fields without needing a saucer to imprint, as we imagine it like a helicopter under air column

>>41139783
Well you see OP, when the UFO spins it leans too far back. Then it rippen through the fabric of space, allowing it to fly past entire galaxy blocks at the speed of light. Any planets they accidentally hit they repair with duct tape.

none of you faggots said "skyrmion" even once

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>>41161185
>but you don't seem much interested in the biological / wetware or higher-dimensional side of this

actually, I am. you'll notice above when I mentioned the question of words and languages being answered as a religious issue. specific to this, I will draw your attention to the telenothians

http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids-articles.html

which is 100% true, no 70/30% fucking around on my part, all of it he writes. the problem is this, and it is a huge one- people have been abusing telenothian technology since the late bronze age. in different situations, the animal headed people were just in elaborate costumes, but just as often with their more graphic displays of priestly power from the temples of old, their cross-breed and backcross-rebreed abominations have left evidenciary level stains on our gene pool. part of what you also see FL group discussing at length is that same genetic cesspool problem on our end which we still have not yet got under control and stabilized. we absolutely have to do that before we can expect to survive any interaction with ayylmaos, much less combat of any sort.

in addition, the tiamat/shamir problem is yet to be resolved on a planet wide scale. those myths and legends are spook tales for people to scare them into sanitary living practices, since most if not all helminth infections (see parasite pill for details) are water-related. the early church built myths and saints like picrel and story of Jesus using steamed milk and fasting to remove a lungworm infection from a man.

problem is, helminths can be bred to grow as large as anaconda snakes. the same ones in your intestines. that is a latent bioweapon sitting in most everyones guts, only taking small changes to their life cycles to start growing large, as has been done in the past with telenothian tech abuse.

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>>41161507
the nasties. a lot of your ayylmaos are actually telenothians, just as in the days of old, the "demons" rampaging a village were just telenothians.

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-hybrids.html

>>41161578
>telenothians
PLFs

>>41161185
> fret not, i'm used to rejection (i am bald.)
realest thing in this thread

>>41161353
>skyrmion
we are all just prisoners in the giant horositic bloch sphere.

>>41161507
>>41161578
ayyliums being deceptive/politicking with language in comms to us... maybe the dmt jesters aren't wrong?
>telenothians
well, that's the second time that word has been posted on this website. points for novelty. humans as pig-chimp hybrid?
man don't tell me the alien hybrid gene theories are right, i'm dismissive of anyone claiming starseed hybrid lineage because it just sounds like a UAP flavored "i'm special" schizo complex. i'll have to eat my words pretty hard
>helminths
agree that we should fast + eat papaya seeds more often
>technology
if the ayys are just hybrids, who hybridized them? what's the base "race" of fleshcrafters?

this part feels like a non sequitur, but perhaps i'm just not wrinkling my brain enough. did the fleshcrafter race figure out how to wetware their microtubules into coupling with the 2nd EM field?

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>>41161656
... they "eat time"?

>>41161700
>what's the base "race" of fleshcrafters?
what a fantastic way to put it. cool. what you'll notice Dr. McCarthy mentions with his introductory video analysis (of an entire explanatory series) of telenothians (his term, not historic) is that there are proven cases right now and in history taught as nonchalant fact in academia that two sexually reproductive species can hybridize into a genetically stable hybrid capable of enduring asexual reproduction.

what does that mean for deep space travel?

well, for one it means you can have a genetically stable crew who can survive abnormal conditions, while also being emotionally flatlined such that their asexual reproduction removes 99% of the soap opera drama which causes deep space missions to fail. also, replacement of an individual life form is easier when they are asexual, died in an industrial accident or somesuch, and you have a behaviorally identical replacement of them from prefertilized asexual eggs in the reptile domain, and similar approaches for us meatbag humans.

the interesting part is that those asexual hybrids can be resexualized. who started all this stuff, who were the original "fleshcrafters", man I don't know. I doubt it was any ancient race of the universe at all, it just is part of being here. we can use it for benevloent ends, or malevolent ends, just the same as the ayylmaos can.

>>41161929
continuing-

the point I am trying to express here is that similar to the situation I describe with the tiamat/shamir situation where they can change their bioform radically and quickly within a few generations is typical of most all life forms. when people talk about different types of "stasis" for deep space travel, deep sleep and similar tech is the most popular, which is damn near everything the FL crew and SV17q ever really care about. in addition to that type of "stasis of consciousness" by using dream tech, especially shared dreams, that use of asexual crew members also adds another layer of stability. if they end up having to repopulate at their destination, they have all the equipment onboard for resexualization, aka coming out of "genetic stasis", and adapting to their new host environment. genetic stasis does not ensure survival at a new destination, it is in fact the opposite, since all randomness and exterior influence of nature is removed, sterilized, or put under control. at the destination location however, the genetic stability they have in genetic stasis may not be the optimal setup for the new location, hence the requirement for resexualization and the more familiar methods and descriptions of evolution and genetic diversity processes typical of natural life. typical FL stuff, and also typical stuff of most exopolitical and exolinguistic research.

>>41161957
you can imagine the challenges of a religious professional if they were presented with a situation where a clever person made contact with a malevolent ayylmao, convinced the human to do some shit, and then caused a problem down here on earth. some of the things the ayylmaos have claimed is that they made us, they they own us, and they we are to be obedient to them. problem is, we can genetically modify ourselves, and other lifeforms, to be so much like those ayylmaos both in behavior and form, that all their claims towards such religious superiority, or just exopolitical dominance in general, are forfeit. in short, they are lying to us about natural processes and technologies which we have discovered and refined independently on earth through our own history and work. if you get enough dumbfucks to believe the lies coming out of ayylmao mouths, you can imagine all kinds of havoc from their memetic manipulations.

some out there are benevolent, but not enough. apply Ignatius Loyola's (iirc) Principle of Discernment- if after an encounter with a nonhuman entity, if the messages they communicate to you give you a good feeling and help you towards cleanliness, happiness, and being good, you spoke to a benevolent. if the entity claims everyone is out to get you, no one likes you, and to stay at home all day and not eat good food, you probably spoke with a piece of shit ayylmao who needs his shit kicked in.

>>41161929
>>41161957
>>41162007

>benefits of telethonian tech
deep space travel crews, that makes sense - but that points to the idea that the "base race" hasn't figured out FTL travel, interdimensional wormholes, etc
and that just doesnt jive with me, considering we're already talking about a superluminal propagating wave?
>malevolent ayy claims memetically infecting humans
this is a funny one... the claims you describe sound like it could have sparked the loosh/prison planet idea? or maybe even a bunch of indigenous religions yeah. animal head figures are ubiquitous. bull splicing for moloch or something.
>principle of discernment
i like that. I also feel like - if you receive a message to obey without questioning, red flag. If they say "here's some info, you don't have to listen but you'll probably fuck up lmao" i'm more willing to consider.

>>41140319
Even coming up with the same idea could realistically be illegal, thanks to the "Invention Secrecy Act of 1951," as well as some other laws.

If what is shared can endanger national security, then your ass can be v&.

>>41162252
>>41161957
on this point where you and I disagree, the FTL stuff:

"It is a fact they can curve space-time and visit us."
citing the boys directly

>>41162346
more FL citing:

"Sadly, this is not currently the case because those services operating top-secret game-changer highly advanced platforms, mostly PSVs, MilOrbs, transmedium vehicles, and exotic aircrafts refuse to share their signatures."
>transmedium, exotic
hmmmm

>>41154415
whats this from?

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>>41162374
>refuse to share their signatures

https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1659

sometimes people need to be reminded of directorate k and their duties. kubernetes directorate- steering the human race. there is a reason directorate k operations are kept hush hush, not just as a secret from the public, but secret to the ayylmaos too. good luck catching the obscurantist one time pad memetic manipulation operations we do on earth you stupid ayylmao faggots.

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>>41162471

if you guys want a good example of how directorate k operations work, you can watch bill murray get garroted by a directorate k operative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_of_Control

>>41162252
>it could have sparked the loosh/prison planet idea?

the quickest, cheapest, and easiest way to setup a prison planet is to tell the people that and have them believe it. belief prisons are the worst, even worse than prison planets. it only takes a few lies and people willing to believe them. whether those lies come from the ayylmaos or elsewhere doesn't matter, the end result is the same. belief prisons keep the inmates watching each other, relieving the benefactors of that prison of more effort to keep it going.

the whole loosh concept and prison planets is exactly that- a lie which got believed way too much. we don't live as loosh slaves, nor do we deserve to be in prison on our own planet. those are lies told to us.

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>>41139783
It's magic, I aint gotta explain shit.

> tiamat/shamir situation

What's that?

>>41139783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMfXn43qGk&ab_channel=SohelExperiment

Its a balloon.

>>41140948
The Video you posted, the team has changed a bit, but it seems like they have hit a roadblock on their channel, or the team no longer is full of young men doing cutting edge work.
https://www.uni-augsburg.de/en/fakultaet/mntf/physik/groups/exp1/

it would not surprise me that the original team that started this from the funding that was a lot of by the EU decided to go on to bigger and better things.

>>41151902
>Slow light
pardon my nitpickery, but I think you meant to say "tired light" and by that I mean specifically tired light 2.

>>41161656
>we are all just prisoners in the giant horositic bloch sphere.

>>41161717

>>41163720
https://www.k-state.edu/news/newsreleases/2024-09/Shamir-study-supports-Tired-Light-theory-challenges-Big-Bang.html

>>41164165

>>41161507
problem is, helminths can be bred to grow as large as anaconda snakes. the same ones in your intestines.

tiamat comes.

>>41164172
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40965918/#q40975951

tiamat comes.

>>41164181
at some point someone here is going to notice Lior Shamir's article was posted on 09Sep2024, a calendar date commonly used for infodumps, events, stuff like that.

you'll also notice the semiotic link between Lior Shamir, tired light, and the deep space craft described and analyzed in FL as "tired light 2". that craft operates on principles which are dervied from scientific work which explores, measures, and reproduces the effects analyzed by Mr. Shamir.

specific to tiamat however, that is a different disclosure path, so nothing too much about tiamat here, for now it is all shamir.

enjoy!

(this is the part where people are supposed to take notice of the other semiotic links- aka synchronicities)

>>41164208
https://www.mdpi.com/2571-712X/7/3/41

spaceplanes are cool, but if you really want to go far, you need tired light tech. good thing we have a ship in our possession here on earth which does.

>>41164208
>09Sep2024
oops, my goof. 11Sep2024. mea culpa sloppy.

>>41164217
https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2024/03/nanofluidics-computers-tired-light-ii.html

;9)

>>41164261
https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2017/08/amorphous-computers-liquid-software-and.html

recall what I mentioned about fully optical analog computers. cool for spaceplanes, but if you want to do something like tired light, an optical compute substrate just doesn't cut it.

OP here. Want to thank everyone for contributing so much.

the cubane/FL anon had a bunch of novel shit to say, a lot still going over my head. stories of tr-3bs describe 'living skin' and 'dimples' so i can't call him a larper tbqhfam

but the takeaway for me is:

>the government goes to huge lengths to conceal, discredit and silence this kind of info

>therefore it must be both incredibly disruptive, *and* alarmingly accessible.

if it were just the latter, that's just ICP-tier 'fuckin magnets'. if it were just the former, that's oppenheimer or lockheed's CFR (boring).

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>>41139783
>Actual physcis behind UFO
I know it. Lambright.com/gravity

one of the best threads i've seen in a while

>>41140786
who says every ufo has people in it and not under remote control? wouldn't it be super safe to make sure in the event of pilot error killing the entire crew due to excessive G shock if they let control of the craft slip out from under them?

isn't it a good idea to be able to remotely drive a craft just as much as having a meatbag pilot? isn't it helpful to run acceleration tests around the public to give them the further idea that intertial dampers and gravity couches are installed on reverse engineered ayylmao UFOs?

>>41140818
>These craft are capable of maneuvers that would simply kill the occupants if they did not have some form of control over inertia.

>>41168522

>>41162007
>Ignatius Loyola's (iirc) Principle of Discernment

https://www.ignatianspirituality.com/making-good-decisions/discernment-of-spirits/

for those of you interested in how to prepare for ayylmao conversations, or just conversations with spirits in general, check out what Ignatius Loyola had to say. he gives you every piece of information you need to know, ranging from how to contact "them" and how to make sure you aren't being lied to or manipulated by those... nonhuman entities.

>>41157516
im not the one who wrote and submitted the patent retard

>>41170139
No, you're the daft cunt who thinks it'll work.

>>41140571
>cavitation mixer
me again. I found some videos to explain the cavitation mixing process for alloy production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVeUcM2ibfI

that video is for biomass processing units employing the same approach. powders of the final alloy mix are loaded up in water, although other times different liquids are used, and then recirculated through a cavitation mixing process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7MXxE9UfKQ

this video is an explanation of how cavitation mixing works, and a similar design to a vortical cavitation mixing reactor as shown the second video. that technique has many applications, and can be improved by adding ultrasonic treatment of the fluid at the same time as cavitation, in addition to baking the fluid in microwave radiation to increase temperature and sometimes force specific bonds to form in the alloys. this apparatus and approach isn't so different from the cubane air/jet mill process I describe above for the fuel and combustion systems of the engines on aspen hyper and a few of the legacy test craft. the difference there is that in air, cavitation does not occur, but you get the idea. when making materials, it allows for extremely precise coating of material grains at the nanoscale, making what is essentially tiny grains of material with layers built up on top of them, or smashed to the finest possible granularity before alloying. this aids in the development of alloys which, if made traditionally, the differences if boiling temperatures of say aluminum and titanium preclude the ability to effectively alloy them beyond a few percentages due to that boil off. when milled in a cavitation mixer, you can do more or less anything you want. if you want to make nitrided materials, adding nitrogen to the mixing fluid imparts that into the material easier than the traditional techniques of cooking them in a hot nitrogen chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LbB_faFOM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKakEG6X82M

>>41170649
one of the cool things about cavitation reactors, as the kind british man explains with his company, global cavitation, is that they operate on a wide range of materials, even having the ability to mechanically destroy viruses. awesome!

for a saser though, where it gets cool is that in a traditional saser, air bubbles are used as the linear frequency specification for the output radiation, as I mentioned before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_amplification_by_stimulated_emission_of_radiation#Liquid_with_gas_bubbles_as_the_active_medium

those liquid gas bubbles are cool because a saser using argon as the bubble gas has more a bass tone to it, whereas a saser using helium is more high pitched.

INTERESTINGLY

when using a cavitation approach to make the wavelength for the output saser beam, using cavitation bubbles opens up so many more possibilities, especially terahertz level wavelengths- that is more or less a pitch of sound so high that it goes beyond fingers scraping on a chalkboard or a fork scraped across a dinner plate. it is *beyond* the ability for the gas molecules to even shake around fast enough to transmit the sound, going beyond the upper frequency threshold for the lasing medium.

and, of course, dissolving different gases in the water during cavitation makes them pop out of dissolution during cavitation bubble formation, then do their chemical business in the bubble, then recollapse. having that happen at the same time as adding a lot of rotational current to the fluid makes the rotational modulated mentioned previously.

have fun with all that.

>>41170649
the rod that our gentleman in the hydrodynamic nanobubble reactor video above shows a really good place to shoot a LIPC through in a combined LIPC/SASER weapon.

the more you know.

>>41149575
>element 115 is just the power supply
Didn't Bob Lazar claim 115 ejects graviton particles? Wasn't that specifically why he was considered a nutjob?

>>41170690
anyhoo, what you wanna do with your new wetted out alloy slop is to centrifugally separate it from the water, dry it out a bit, then spray it all over your hullform molds, structural part molds, all that stuff. abom79 is kind enough to have made a playlist with his use of the tech in the machine shop. he is doing it in open air, of course, but the approach extends to vacuum and controlled atmosphere manufacturing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oq0UhOd5_8&list=PLaNH2qXIMRq-qadZkkPkSpLfVLIZHwz9C

in a hilarious alignment of events, he actually has to do some metallization of some jet mill parts. I doubt he is doing repair work on spaceplanes, but hey, its cool to watch.

>>41170721
element 115 is now discovered. It's called Moscovium and it doesn't do anything magic. It has an ultra short half life because it's very unstable. I think Lazar is a charlatan and picked a big number because he thought nobody would ever discover it

>>41172311
Couldn't it be a property only stable isotopes have?
Anyhow I believe Lazar was either knowingly or not a psyop to make the public think antigravity is possible but only if you have this impossibly hard to replicate material and that US is still far away from understanding much of how their crafts operate. Which in some ways is the most important aspect of the phenomenon to release disinfo on

>>41173319
The idea is the atom is so big that it's just naturally unstable. It's isotopes are even less stable. For context the half life is less that one second. It's the same story for it's neighbors. We've discovered up to element 118 by now. Scientists hypothesize a so called island of stability where the elements get heavier but for whatever reason the half lives increase and become something on par with uranium or whatever. This is yet to be found

>>41170846
Out of everything you know, what is the craziest thing you're willing to reveal in this thread?

>>41173834
They've eventually got to either find it or realize it doesn't exist, right? Lol

>>41173913
me again. the craziest thing is that everything here I wrote is absolutely worthless. all that means is that when we look at our world, none of these spaceplanes are worth it. look at the people of earth, do they really deserve to have all the things they do with the way they *choose* to behave? eariler I mentioned how important the Logos is to me, and the abuse of that is the most rampant form of evil we have, and we are, in my opinion, in terminal decline as a civilization. that does not mean we are in terminal decline as a species, far from it. we will be entering a new phase, or rather the genetic cesspool of people who will inhabit this scorched earth from pollution, stripping of resources, and gluttonous consumption of finite and limited resources critical to a dignified and sanitary quality of life.

the future, even the small bits already here, is one of suffering, misery, violence, and worst of all- stupidity. when a person is stupid in the mind, they are stupid with their words, and therefore stupid with the Logos, abusing it. our use of divine right of free will, or more precisely, the abuse of it by our still living ancestors, set us all towards a path of oblivion with no possibility of escape. we are eternal, not immortal. we existed eternally before where we are here now, and we will exist eternally after in other places. what those places are, and what they are like, none of us can know. we live in a world of lies, and this earth is of satan. it didn't used to be that way, but here we are.

as they said in The Limits of Control- La Vida, No Vala, Nada.

for more fun semiotic links, check picrel. recall my conversation about tornadoes. time for me to scoot. its been fun. you guys take care! look out for the words ASPEN HYPER soon!

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>>41174047
motherfucker.

>>41140509
My boy over here quoting King's description of what a thinny is like

>>41174053
mama mea culpa. I shouldn't have said that. my apologies. abuse of the Logos is evil and I knew better.

now I have to sit here and wait for 120 seconds. you know, Mr. Rogers did that once, forced everyone to sit and wait in silence for 1 minute. people cried. Mr. Rogers made people cry by telling them to be silent. anyway, there it is, 3, 2, 1.

ok, adios now!

>>41174047
Damn, you're right. I always felt like we should genetically engineer ourselves to not be so stupid and short-sighted. Hopefully one day that or just us evolving culturally will fix the problems you talk about. Thanks for everything you've posted, Anon.

>>41146436
Fucken retards like you are why we cant get anywhere; theres a fucken doctoral level physicist and chemical engineer anon ACTUALLY EXPLAINING the concrete fucken design and application of really difficult concepts most of us on here have rarely treaded near...and youre coming on here, being a fucken faggot touting flat earther horseshit in relation to ACTUAL physics as truth? Back your goddamn arrogant nonsense up with some fucken science dickweed...you posted the bell-craft of the 3rd reich; its a hollow earth that underlies your weird zealotry, not a fucking flat one...the German astrophysicists wouldve laughed you into oblivion. Fucken retard

as for how the ayy crafts work...
check the news about Borland and that twink Corbell, what dylan is mentioning.
inertia/gs are not a concern. power is not a concern. already shown in patents and literature. Do those patents and papers work? Dunno. Are their scientists respected? Hardly. Am I a massive faggot and not linking them? You bet.

anyone not talking about Stargate is a glowie. anyone talking about stargate is also probably a glowie.

>you negroes really think NHI haven't moved past Maxwell yet?

>>41139783
ufos are airship to orbit technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO3ENmbQQ9o

>>41176102

>plasma leading edge
>active drag reduction systems
>hypersonic flow control
>"surprisingly, it doesn't take as much power as you think"
>several megawatts of onboard power
>x37b docking capability (aspen hyper as well by that implicit analysis mentioned above)
>stash stuff lifting and low earth orbit storage

>>41150857
>that chevron craft is one of the newer ones, similar to the aspen hyper variants I keep talking about. that is a long range mission airframe, built out of more or less the same approach I discuss here.

dooooood...

>>41150659
Wait until you homosexuals discover polariton lasing systems and the fun things you can do with them. Also, Element 115 is code for a solid crystalline broad spectrum electromagnetic phase conjugator. The drive system functions as an analogue to a Kerr Singularity, aka toroidal black hole. The first were superfluid Helium-3 and later ones use Bose Einstein Condensates. There is an entire discipline based on this called Transformation Optics. A good paper to start with is Electrical Engineering in General Relativity by Ulf Leonhardt.

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>>41159620
This is a real image, but it's not "electrogravitics", it's plasma boundary layer control for radar absorption and aerodynamics. You sort of half to read between the lines, but I can guarantee it started with the Trapeze variants of the U-2. I would bet my ass that were also using it for "go fast" purposes on the SR-71. Front mounted electron beams and cesium charged exhaust seems excessive for just stealth, and plasma sheathes as virtual aerodynamic control surfaces and drag reduction is a well studied phenomena. (((Allegedly))) you can see the plasma generating surfaces on the wings of the B-2. They appear like a thin line of obsidian on the leading edge. You can see it on the Spirit of Mississippi. This was supposedly done at Whiteman in the 90's, and this is allegedly the project patch. The original bottom rocker said "Classified Flight Test", but the AF made the 509th change it to "Tastes Like Chicken".

Presented without comment. It's the same guy across both accounts.
https://m.fark.com/comments/1203844/9730023
https://www.fark.com/comments/7158813/Im-not-saying-its-streetlights-but-streetlights
https://m.fark.com/comments/1112341/last
https://m.fark.com/comments/3508671/The-10-craziest-scientific-experiments-ever-conducted?startid=39341232
https://m.fark.com/comments/1386759/11882728#c11882728
https://web.archive.org/web/20240120170846/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901726/pg3
>Him talking about his visit from the DIA
https://web.archive.org/web/20181215142422/https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread913063/pg5

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02048/https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread637964/pg2
https://web.archive.org/web/20150717111450/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1066328/pg3
>Someone who put two and two together
https://web.archive.org/web/20240102190423/https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1289063/pg1
https://web.archive.org/web/20101119020724/https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread630313/pg3
https://web.archive.org/web/20181208120427/https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread269071/pg5
https://web.archive.org/web/20121128024824/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901004/pg1
It runs the gamut from (((UFOs))) to plasmonic metamaterials, Group220 gags, and "other" things that were briefly in the news in 2004
>Briefly in the news in 2004
https://www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/fellows/mar04/Edwards_Kenneth.pdf
The last part is why (((UFOs))) will never be declassified. Are any of you fags familiar with the "Test" at UTTR in 2004?

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>>41170702
You're so close. What happens to the wavelength in pic related>>41177628
>Phase conjugation and photon time reversal FTW

>>41177652
>You're so close.
hey YOU!

you know who I am. it's me again. I know full well that it is more than just that silly little rod sliding down a commercial cavitation reactor. there is more to it, and these chucklefucks will never figure it out with

>hurr durr, let's electrocute some mercury
>call da ambalamps!
>"they were trying to make a time traveling UFO engine" on our entertainment rectangles, along with bodycam footage of the police hauling them away for poisoning themselves and probably their family and neighbors
>their memory fades away
>super smart smarty smart people keep making hotrod spaceplanes
>the public believes a new flavor of bullshit

>>41177606
that unit patch is absolutely correct. the ethical requirements for those *actual* people working in these programs are obscenely strict. not for secrecy, but abuse of the tech. it is SO EASY to want to start using those extremely powerful weapons, planes, and sensors to really overkill warfighting, along with also outpacing our adversaries. recall the need for allowing existing technologies to fully mature before "letting out the good stuff" for economic reasons, because a company invested in certain intellectual properties, they have valid legal claims to fully extract market value for their companies (and workers pay), to fund further development inside their own companies to make sure "the good stuff they keep in the back" comes out working more or less on the first try- and more to the point- doesn't hurt the public with toxic side effects, weapon overuse, and other unknowns. it isn't easy, it isn't cheap, and they work LOOOONG hours. dickriding over, just keep in mind they do difficult work and fuckup from time to time like all of us. watch for their successes, they are wild once the stories come out, or rather are released. when that happens, I have no clue. eventually.

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